should we have played zone

[Rage Against the McKee]

I really think a triangle and 2 would have been effective, but I'm not sure if I've ever seen Frank run that, so I don't even know if they practice it.

Kuh Newtson would of rained 3s on a triangle and 2

I'd rather take my chances with Kuh Newtson than continue to get burned by whichever guard Pullen wasn't guarding on the dribble drive.

[gatoveintisiete]

I would have liked to have given whatever the eff the squawks shut their ass down with a shot 

[Rage Against the McKee]

I would have liked to have given whatever the eff the squawks shut their ass down with a shot 

I think they used talent.

[gatoveintisiete]

I would have liked to have given whatever the eff the squawks shut their ass down with a shot 

I think they used talent.

or else they shut off penetration while not leaving shooters open, one thing about Massa, he doesn't stubbornly try to man up when his dudes aren't  man enough.

[gatoveintisiete]

I really think a triangle and 2 would have been effective, but I'm not sure if I've ever seen Frank run that, so I don't even know if they practice it.

Kuh Newtson would of rained 3s on a triangle and 2

I'd rather take my chances with Kuh Newtson than continue to get burned by whichever guard Pullen wasn't guarding on the dribble drive.

agree with this tho

[Bookcat]

6-9 from three and shot 58% from the floor. the end

[kso_FAN]

I would have liked to have given whatever the eff the squawks shut their ass down with a shot 

I think they used talent.

or else they shut off penetration while not leaving shooters open, one thing about Massa, he doesn't stubbornly try to man up when his dudes aren't  man enough.

KU played slightly better defense, but more importantly they outscored CU by 18 at the FT line and beat them on the boards. It didn't hurt that Higgins went 1 for 11, granted KU's defense was part of that.

[kougar24]

It's just as well, KU would have crushed us.

[gatoveintisiete]

I would have liked to have given whatever the eff the squawks shut their ass down with a shot 

I think they used talent.

or else they shut off penetration while not leaving shooters open, one thing about Massa, he doesn't stubbornly try to man up when his dudes aren't  man enough.

KU played slightly better defense, but more importantly they outscored CU by 18 at the FT line and beat them on the boards. It didn't hurt that Higgins went 1 for 11, granted KU's defense was part of that.

Not allowing cu to penetrate kept them off the ft linte, which as you point out made the difference.  We should copy that against good driving teams

[kso_FAN]

Not allowing cu to penetrate kept them off the ft linte, which as you point out made the difference.  We should copy that against good driving teams

CU going to the FT line wasn't a big problem for us, they had 11 of their 27 attempts in the last minute and a half of the game when we had to foul.  The problem with FTs that was we didn't draw enough fouls, especially after we had them in the bonus by the 14 minute mark of the 2nd half.  We only had 16 FT attempts and as a result we only had a FT rate of 24% (compared to CU's 54%), well below our season average. Then we got beat on OR% 39.1% to 36.6%.  And the 64% eFG% we allowed when we only had 47.7% ourselves ended up killing us.

CU still out-shot KU by a small margin, but b/c KU has a 20%+ advantage on OR% and a 30%+ advantage on FT rate; that more than made up for letting CU shoot pretty well.  Though the 64% eFG% we allowed is terrible, even against a good offensive team like CU.

[sys]

Then we got beat on OR% 39.1% to 36.6%.

letting cu (roberson) dominate the oboards and limit kstate's oboards was the worst thing about the game.


i'm fine with the shut knutson out and make higgins/burks shoot tough shots strat.  in retrospect, maybe should have kept pullen on burks and let burks shoot more.  from games i've seen, he's more likely to take poorer shots.

[Benja]

The Huggins/Frank philosophy has always been pretty much totally anti-zone right? Have either of them ever played it?

What I've always heard is that to Frank a zone just means you know you aren't good enough on D. I used to totally hate all zones, especially when I played but with Syracuse and others the zone doesn't necessarily mean what it used to. I've always thought that if you have the horses nothing beats a good aggressive man to man. If you have the horses.

[sys]

The Huggins/Frank philosophy has always been pretty much totally anti-zone right? Have either of them ever played it?

What I've always heard is that to Frank a zone just means you know you aren't good enough on D. I used to totally hate all zones, especially when I played but with Syracuse and others the zone doesn't necessarily mean what it used to. I've always thought that if you have the horses nothing beats a good aggressive man to man. If you have the horses.

martin plays zone all the time.  but usually not for very long.  don't really remember w. huggins.

[michigancat]

The Huggins/Frank philosophy has always been pretty much totally anti-zone right? Have either of them ever played it?

What I've always heard is that to Frank a zone just means you know you aren't good enough on D. I used to totally hate all zones, especially when I played but with Syracuse and others the zone doesn't necessarily mean what it used to. I've always thought that if you have the horses nothing beats a good aggressive man to man. If you have the horses.

martin plays zone all the time.  but usually not for very long.  don't really remember w. huggins.

I remember a lot of 1-3-1 w/ Blake Young running the baseline and Bennett in the middle.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

that's not what i said.  what the tape, 95 got inside his player's jersey on defense, and then his guy drove right by him...everytime.

if i get bored sometime i may look at a replay, but even without doing so, i'm almost positive you're wrong.

i wasn't focused on 95, but i didn't notice anything about his d other than play on a few screens - which may or may not have been his fault.  i definitely trust my not noticing him more than board overreacters noticing that his man seemed to score a lot.

I 100% agree with this.  Partly because I think it will piss sys off, but mostly because he's probably right.  Devo's D was aight, Higgins was just unconscious in the second half.  Saying Devo's D was bad b/c Higgins scored a lot is Beemer logic, and necessarily 100% 'tarded.

CU shot the cover off the ball, we shot poorly.  If CU has an average shooting game we win by double digits.  The zone we've played this season has been dreadful.  Saying we should have run zone is a pretty desperate statement.  Some times you get beat, deal with it.