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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: 2013 Recruiting Thread

« on: February 10, 2013, 01:50:54 PM »

brown of osu is the best athlete in big 12, although mclemore is also very athletic.  smart is a very pedestrian run jump athlete, but if you factor in stuff like strength, body control, balance, etc he might be above average.  i dunno, you have to watch a guy quite a bit before you can get a good feel for things like that.

I assume you mean Foster? Smart is definitely a very atheletic person.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Official Big 12 standings

« on: February 10, 2013, 09:34:49 AM »

Fweberary

oh that's good.   

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Official Big 12 standings

« on: February 10, 2013, 08:59:31 AM »

I don't know about you guys, but I'm really enjoying Februceary.

I was going to go with Februweber.   

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Big 12 Efficiency and Four Factors 2-10-13 (regular season adv stats)

« on: February 10, 2013, 08:41:46 AM »

I still continue to believe that our Off Eff #'s can't keep that/this pace, and I question whether or defensive #'s will get better (enough) to offset that.  We looked exhausted with about 3minutes to play yesterday.

Of course you do.  You wouldn't be Catzacker if you didn't.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: My fascination with CycloneFanatics.com continues

« on: February 10, 2013, 08:40:38 AM »

Spradling, I thought, was the guy who hurt us the most the first time. He made four threes. We felt if he got loose we wouldn’t have a chance to win this game. We really worked on chasing him the last few days in practice.

It was noticable during the game. Surreal, but noticable. I thought myself, "Am I imagining this?"  Glad The Mayor validated my sanity.

Yes, their defensive intensity on Will was only matched by the defense on Rodney.

It was a good move by oscar that when McGee started going off that he quickly got Tay into the game to guard him. Sprads defense on him wasn't terrible, but McGee had enough quickness to get just a little space and that was all he needed. After Tay came in, he only scored 2 more points.

Plus they didn't respect Irving's offense and he was able to make them pay for it.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: My fascination with CycloneFanatics.com continues

« on: February 10, 2013, 08:18:41 AM »

Spradling, I thought, was the guy who hurt us the most the first time. He made four threes. We felt if he got loose we wouldn’t have a chance to win this game. We really worked on chasing him the last few days in practice.

It was noticable during the game. Surreal, but noticable. I thought myself, "Am I imagining this?"  Glad The Mayor validated my sanity.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: 2013 Recruiting Thread

« on: February 09, 2013, 04:13:51 PM »

Agree with sys on the handle portion.  I've seen some services call him a PG, and I don't see that at the big 12 level.  However, if we continue to play 4 out 1 in, Foster should find a spot where he can be productive right away.  See him more as a 2/3 than a 1/2.  I do think his bounce is better than average though. I think he'll be able to get his shot off.  I see potential to be a good rebounding guard as well.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Who's the mystery coach that goes all Roy Williams on ku in this article?

« on: February 08, 2013, 01:40:27 PM »

head  coaches aren't going to waste their time with something like this.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Other games thread

« on: February 06, 2013, 10:12:20 PM »

@tcusid

Tonight's attendance of 7,412 for TCU's men's basketball home game vs. Kansas is a Daniel-Meyer Coliseum record


tough environment.

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Kansas State Football / Re: Status/Twitter/Etc. Thread

« on: February 06, 2013, 07:46:59 PM »

Ryan Mueller ?@R_Mueller44
Yep it was around this time 2.5 years ago I decided to be a WALK ON for Kansas state! No signing day for this guy! I had to earn mine.

3m Justin Tuggle ?@Takeover_Tuggle
@R_Mueller44 if it was 2.5 years ago it wasn't around this time mueller lol I see your still a couple short of a 6 pack

 

thats great.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: 2013 Recruiting Thread

« on: February 04, 2013, 09:24:10 PM »

PROVIDENCE, R.I. -- The 15th annual National Prep School Invitational (NPSI) this past weekend featured four days and 32 games of action. After the balls had finally stopped bouncing on Sunday, we had seen a number of top performances as well as the emergence of some new prospects.

Here were some of the best players from the event.

Most Valuable Player
Jevon Thomas (Queens, N.Y./St. John’s NW Military Academy)
2013, PG, 6-0, 170
Status: Committed to Kansas State
Thomas was selected MVP by the event staff. His talent has never been in question, but the maturity level to run a team has been far less dependable at times. This weekend, he put it all together, utilizing his individual tools to make plays while also making good decisions down the stretch of close games. With a lightning-quick first step and a strengthened frame to better absorb contact on his way to the rim, he’s virtually impossible to check with just one defender. And while he’s a scoring point by nature, his willingness to hit open teammates was critical to St. John’s big wins over both St. Thomas More (Conn.) and Notre Dame Prep (Mass.).

where is this from?  There was a ton of talent at that tournament.  Very nice to hear.

edit:  found the all tournament team:


Most Outstanding Player: Jevon Thomas, St. John's NW Military Academy (Kansas State)

Kaleb Joseph, Cushing Academy

Rene Castro, Worcester Academy (Butler)

Trevor Thompson, St. John's NW Military Academy (Virginia Tech)

Fredrick Edmond, Kingdom Prep

Ron Patterson, Brewster Academy (Syracuse)

Noah Vonleh, New Hampton Prep (Indiana)

Jaylen Brantley, Notre Dame Prep

Duane Notice, St. Thomas More

Richard Williams, Vermont Academy

Wayne Selden, Tilton School (Kansas)

Josh Hearlihy, Northfield Mt. Hermon

Elijah Macon, Brewster Academy (West Virginia)

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: 2014 Recruiting Thread

« on: February 03, 2013, 10:42:40 PM »

Lots of mentions in this

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1467615

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: I'M CALLING MY SHOT

« on: February 03, 2013, 09:55:09 PM »

It's easier to win in this Big 12.
 
Frank's problem the first year was that he couldn't use the whole roster.  Clemente had to sit out his transfer year.  Sutton and Samuels didn't get there til midyear.  Hoskins was injured.  but that roster was outstanding.  Even after losing the 3 seniors and the two NBA players, he basically just added Kelly to what was left and was set for four years.  Even his last team (5th year), the second leading scorer was on his first roster.  Those 13 would murder our current team. 

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: I'M CALLING MY SHOT

« on: February 03, 2013, 07:51:16 PM »

Frank and it's not close at all.  Franks first roster was the most talented roster in K-State history.

Yeah, can't see how people are going to try to argue that oscar's first team is more talented than Frank's.  I'm still amazed that we had double digit losses that year.

The same people will claim out current 2-guard belongs at Washburn.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: I'M CALLING MY SHOT

« on: February 03, 2013, 05:28:04 PM »

Frank and it's not close at all.  Franks first roster was the most talented roster in K-State history.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Frank Haith '12-'13 = oscar Weber '13-'14

« on: February 03, 2013, 08:10:34 AM »

Kim Carnes is a top notch poster

 

The funny thing about this is that you and Kim Carnes are nearly the exact same poster.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Will Spradling Conference Point Tracker

« on: February 02, 2013, 08:02:24 PM »

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: #teamangel

« on: February 01, 2013, 09:48:01 PM »

Since they started tracking steals in '82, only two players have record at least 1000pts, 300ast, and 100 steals in their career for K-State.  (Pullen and Henson)  Incidentally, they both had accomplished this by the end of their Junior season.  Angel will join them next year.


So will Spradling, though he'll be the only one of the four to take a full four years

This isn't a shot at your post, yosh, or even a shot at Will so please don't take it that way. I used to think 1000 points was a big deal, but I just realized that you can reach 1000 points in a four year career by averaging under 8 ppg. I think 1000 was a bigger deal before 30 game regular seasons.

Yeah, but most people average 2 to 4 points as an underclassmen, then 15 to 18 as an upperclassmen.  Very few do as the third or fourth scoring option for four years  Lance Harris is the only other one I can remember, and he was a better scorer than Will.  1000 pts mark has deminished, but it's still not insignificant.  At the very least it says you played a lot.  Will might end up as the all time minutes leader if he stays healthy.  Let that sink in for a minute.

Most people? How about a few? I'll go with pretty much none. I can't remember a single basketball player who averaged 2-4 as a freshman and then 15-18 as an upperclassman. A 3 point average is horrible, a 16.5 average is very good. Name 2 and if you do tell us how long you had to search it.

I clearly didnt want to take a shot at will but since you're going to press me I'm gong to aim and fire. Will getting 1000 points doesn't mean anything other than Frank was awful at recruiting guards. Never has a 1000 point scorer been so pedestrian. Certainly within the annals of K-State basketball 1000 points has ever meant less. He is the fifth option when he is on the floor. Will eventually reaching that mark is the surest sign that its an arbitrary, useless milestone.

Wasn't trying to push you on Will.  I will concede that Will Spradling will be the worst 1000 pt scorer of all time.  Sorry you took it that way.  If anthing I was defending the 1000 pt mark and saying Will is more of outlier becuase it was just a matter of getting an obsurd amount of minutes.  I probably worded it poorly.

All I was getting at was that most 1000 pt scorers progress so their career average may not be great, but they have great years when their turn comes.  Those numbers I threw out were probably a bit exagerated for effect, but, off the top of my head, Cartier and McGruder are both examples of players who progressed from barely contributing role players as freshman, to complimentary players as sophomores and stars as upperclassmen.  I think of most career 1000 pt scorers this way.  I can't think of a lot of players who come in and contribute 8ppg as a freshman and just stay there for 3 more years with either progressing or being recruited over.   

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: #teamangel

« on: February 01, 2013, 04:50:11 PM »

Since they started tracking steals in '82, only two players have record at least 1000pts, 300ast, and 100 steals in their career for K-State.  (Pullen and Henson)  Incidentally, they both had accomplished this by the end of their Junior season.  Angel will join them next year.


So will Spradling, though he'll be the only one of the four to take a full four years

This isn't a shot at your post, yosh, or even a shot at Will so please don't take it that way. I used to think 1000 points was a big deal, but I just realized that you can reach 1000 points in a four year career by averaging under 8 ppg. I think 1000 was a bigger deal before 30 game regular seasons.

Yeah, but most people average 2 to 4 points as an underclassmen, then 15 to 18 as an upperclassmen.  Very few do as the third or fourth scoring option for four years  Lance Harris is the only other one I can remember, and he was a better scorer than Will.  1000 pts mark has deminished, but it's still not insignificant.  At the very least it says you played a lot.  Will might end up as the all time minutes leader if he stays healthy.  Let that sink in for a minute. 

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: #teamangel

« on: January 31, 2013, 07:10:04 PM »

Since they started tracking steals in '82, only two players have record at least 1000pts, 300ast, and 100 steals in their career for K-State.  (Pullen and Henson)  Incidentally, they both had accomplished this by the end of their Junior season.  Angel will join them next year.


So will Spradling, though he'll be the only one of the four to take a full four years

felix is right, angel is my henson.

yeah.  people won't like the comparison because they are either gopowercat, tuck, racists or goEMAW, anti-Henson, bizzaro tucks, but I think their careers will be similar.  Paricularly if Angel improves as a shooter.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Picked apART; UT ADV

« on: January 31, 2013, 06:50:06 PM »

no surprise really, but our 9.2 TO% is the best in these last 5 Big 12 seasons.

it was a really sloppy game too.  weber deserves a lot of credit for improving the to% over previous seasons.

Isn’t this inherent in his offensive philosophy?  Less risk (i.e. forcing it to the rim) = less turnovers?

That and running 4 guards.  He still should get the "credit" for it, just as much as he would get the "blame" for lower FT rate and rebouding.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: southwell

« on: January 31, 2013, 06:46:52 PM »

I'm a bit torn because there is tangible noticable differences in his game that would lead to you believe this current trend is not flukey.  It didn't get a lot of play, but somebody mentioned his shot trajectory when from flat to high arching.  That's one big example.  Also, I've always beleived Shane has a really big upside, so it shouldn't be shocking if he does become a star.

That said, I'll have to see him do it at the three without Rod there to deflect the attention before I'm 100% sold.  I do believe he's the legitmate third option now though.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: #teamangel

« on: January 31, 2013, 06:29:23 PM »

Since they started tracking steals in '82, only two players have record at least 1000pts, 300ast, and 100 steals in their career for K-State.  (Pullen and Henson)  Incidentally, they both had accomplished this by the end of their Junior season.  Angel will join them next year.


So will Spradling, though he'll be the only one of the four to take a full four years

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Everything about oscar's system is a cancer

« on: January 29, 2013, 09:42:50 PM »

Wow.  Great thread.    

ha ha, because italics means sarcasm.

  

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Everything about oscar's system is a cancer

« on: January 29, 2013, 07:38:43 PM »

Wow.  Great thread.