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Years ago I wrote out a comparison of KU and KSU basketball history on the eve of the two teams' 1988 Elite Eight game. They were very comparable, with KSU having the edge in certain areas like #1 rankings and NCAA appearances (IIRC). Fatty used that post as his signature for a while...

But, my god, when KU has Roy Williams as coach and KSU has Asbury and Wooldridge as coaches, your programs are going to go in opposite directions. Fast.

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From the 1995 Lawrence Journal-World:

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Tom Asbury caused quite a stir last April when he was named head basketball coach at Kansas State.

Asbury, who brought a pair of Pepperdine teams to Lawrence said Allen Fieldhouse "was not the greatest place in the world."

He also said if KU coach Roy Williams had a choice, he'd take KSU's Bramlage Coliseum as his home building instead of KU's tradition-rich arena.

"I've already said all I'm going to say on that. I got the whole state of Kansas mad at me," Asbury said Monday.

K-State's coach, who has been quite quotable, unlike his predecessor, Dana Altman, was asked Monday if he regrets making the controversial statements about KU.

"Hell no," Asbury told the Manhattan Mercury, "but I'm not gonna say it again."

*****

"Kansas State has had some success there in the past. If we play smart and shoot it, maybe we can give 'em a game."

K-State won here a year ago, beating then No. 1-ranked KU, 68-64. The Wildcats are 17-23 overall at Allen. The 17 wins mark the most by any visiting team.

(That last bit... :frown:)

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Altman did bring in some talent. Way more than Asbury ever did, or Wooly early on.

Altman recruited Ski Jones while an assistant, and then added Jean Derouillere as another backcourt shooter when he became head coach. Pretty good combo there for his first teams. Up front we had Deryl Cunningham (who teamed with Aaron Collier for the famous AC/DC frontcourt). Anthony Beane was good. Tony Massop was ridiculously athletic, though that didn't translate directly into being the best basketball player. If Darryl King or Brian Henson had been as good as their older brothers, or as good as their ratings, Altman might have worked out.

Altman did rely heavily on juco players (he was an old juco coach) and some folks would've preferred more HS recruits.

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The Sutton begging for the job moment was when we hired Altman. Sutton had just been fired at Kentucky for sucking and being a drunk.

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Altman was the recruiter and young gun when he came in. A "sneaky sexy" hire. He was the one who brought in Mitch Richmond and most of our other good recruits under Kruger -- probably Ski Jones and "Fat" Fred McCoy, etc.

Altman's first recruiting classes were highly ranked, and we were going to run-and-gun. When it turned out his recruits were overrated, we slowed it down and Altman morphed into a different kind of coach entirely. So we eased him out.

Then Asbury came in as maybe the hottest coach in the nation at the time. Strike two.

Nobody was excited about hiring Wooly. I guess we had given up by that time.

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i know nothing about ksu hoops history, but was wondering why kruger left ksu for florida back in the early 90s? four straight ncaa tourneys, an elite eight, and LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder was just about to get things rolling in football.

ksu could have been been the dominant program (football & hoops) of the 90s had he stuck around.  :frown:
I imagine that the AD eventually told Lon there wasn't any more money for basketball when he kept bringing in other offers to get a raise. 

Snyder had demanded KSU borrow money to improve the football facilities and I imagine that pissed off Kruger who likely felt he had spent years building up a good basketball program as a player, assistant and head coach and didn't like resources being invested in the second class program.

This is the most likely scenario from those I've heard. Young GOSP was upset about it, and when Steve Miller visited MHS after Lon left, I asked him to schedule Florida in basketball...

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: oscar
« on: February 06, 2015, 04:35:16 PM »
I expect that somehow we end up beating ku at home this year.  Those on the fence about oscar will be content and call it a decent season.  Ku will go on the Final 4.  Much talk in the offseason about how oscar is "really close" and "we beat a F4 team".  Optimisim abounds before another .500 season of apathy for many.

Feelin' the KU win also. Very Dana Altman circa-1994 feeling, where we just get lucky (except this year's team probably won't be in the NIT final four).

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Marcus Foster
« on: February 05, 2015, 11:07:04 AM »
K-State's season is a fine mess, thanks in many ways to the player wearing deuce on his back.

Does Scatcat doo headlines for him?

 :D

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Kansas State Football / Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« on: February 03, 2015, 03:32:47 PM »
if you dont know who darren howard is you should feel bad

Yeah I know who Darren Howard is.

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Kansas State Football / Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« on: February 03, 2015, 03:24:07 PM »
Highest-rated Rivals players I could find from 1998 to 2001. The first two seemed to pan out.

#12 Ell Roberson (1999)
#39 Josh Buhl (1999)
#60 Chris Boggas (2000)
#63 Bobby Walker (1999)
#84 Ayo Saba (2001)
#93 Jerome Janet (2001)

Before 1998, you have to start cobbling together Tom Lemming's ratings and USA Today HS football player ratings to get a national picture... which I'm not going to do.

I lied, I kept looking into this. First thing I remembered was fans used to complain Juco studs weren't ranked by some services before Rivals.  Lemming, USA Today and Superprep were the big players before Rivals.

Our top-rated HS recruits in 1997 were Eric Gooden and Julius McMillan (top 100 players). Both totally washed out.

Our top-rated HS recruit in 1996 was Jonathan Beasley (top 100). Bishop was probably up there too, but ranked as a Juco, so I can't be sure.

So from 1996 to 2001 we had nine top-100 recruits. Here's how I'd rate their careers at KSU.
Roberson *****(5)
Buhl *****(5)
Beasley ****(4.5)
Walker ****(4.5)
Saba **(2)
Boggas (0)
Janet (0)
Gooden (0)
McMillan (0)

I'd guess this is pretty average. But it seems we've always lived off the 3-star players (and underranked Juco studs).

In 1995 we were still a building program. I didn't see any top 100 recruits in 1995, but our top-rated HS recruits in 1995 were Larry Holmes (QB, who?), Turelle Williams, Darren Howard, Pat Curry (who are these guys?), Lin Dotson, and Martez Wesley. Our top Juco recruits were Cody Lee Smith, Thad Swazer, Naeen Mills, Eric Janeau, and Jabbar Williams. (Silver Lining: Thank god our QB recruits in this class didn't work out since it led us to recruit Bishop the next year!)

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Kansas State Football / Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« on: February 03, 2015, 01:36:17 PM »
Highest-rated Rivals players I could find from 1998 to 2001. The first two seemed to pan out.

#12 Ell Roberson (1999)
#39 Josh Buhl (1999)
#60 Chris Boggas (2000)
#63 Bobby Walker (1999)
#84 Ayo Saba (2001)
#93 Jerome Janet (2001)

Before 1998, you have to start cobbling together Tom Lemming's ratings and USA Today HS football player ratings to get a national picture... which I'm not going to do.

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Kansas State Football / Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« on: February 03, 2015, 12:38:25 PM »
A few classes were in the 30s per Rivals. Tho none according to Scout. Rivals goes back to the late 90s, but it was relaunched in 2002 so its earlier rankings aren't easily found.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_State_Wildcats_football#Recruiting_history

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Frank
« on: January 29, 2015, 01:49:51 PM »
:pix_martin:


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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Frank
« on: January 29, 2015, 09:45:19 AM »
Guy by the name of Tex Winter once put up some pretty good numbers at KSU -- eight conference titles, a couple of Final Fours, handful of Elite Eights and Sweet Sixteens. Well, this guy left KSU to coach at Washington, the Houston Rockets, and Northwestern, and he turned into a pretty mediocre coach. Never made the NCAA tournament/playoffs with any of those teams. Later he said his one regret in his career was ever leaving KSU. True story.

Coaching the Cats is a privilege, man.

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The cheese place is not open.

Over the holidays, I bought my parents a gift certificate at the bakehouse and then walked in the cheese shop to try to buy some cheeses for them.  But it was a liquor store, not a cheese shop.  Confusing.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Frank
« on: January 15, 2015, 02:43:49 PM »
I missed this when it happened last month. This is some Marketing 101 stuff, right here!


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Essentially Flyertalk / Re: Dive Bars
« on: January 14, 2015, 06:11:44 PM »
Watched the Patriots/ravens game at a dive bar in williamsburg, $5 budweisers in 32oz styrofoam cups. Adorable 70year old couple ran the bar

Sounds like the Turkey's Nest.  Good times.

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Was there ever a picture taken of Pete Rose where he looked good? It's crazy. He would have really benefited from living in the pre-camera era of baseball.


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Kansas State Football / Re: Looks like the Hall of Fame couldn't wait
« on: January 09, 2015, 04:59:05 PM »
Idiots.

Best Career Win %: Coaches with 185+ Division I wins

1. Tom Osborne, 255-49-3 (.836) HOF
2. Bo Schembechler, 234-65-8 (.804) HOF
3. Bear Bryant, 323-85-17 (.780) HOF
4. Dan McGugin, 197-55-19 (.762) HOF
5. Woody Hayes 238-72-10 (.759) HOF
6. John Vaught, 190-61-12 (.745) HOF
7. Bobby Bowden, 377-129-4 (.743) HOF
8. Jim Tressel, 229-79-2 (.742) HOF
9. Pop Warner, 319-106-32 (.733) HOF
10. Howard Jones, 188-63-18, (.732) HOF
11. Steve Spurrier, 226-85-2 (.725) ineligible
12. LaVell Edwards, 257-101-3 (.716) HOF
13. Vince Dooley, 201-77-10 (.715) HOF
14. Dana Bible, 190-69-22 (.715) HOF
15. John Cooper, 192-84-6 (.691) HOF
16. Joe Paterno, 298-136-3   (.685) HOF
17. Chris Ault, 233-109-1 (.681) HOF
18. Mack Brown, 244-122-1 (.666) ineligible
19. LHC LHC Bill Snyder, 187-94-1 (.665) HOF
20. Frank Beamer 273-138-4 (.663) ineligible
21. Lou Holtz 249-132-7 (.651) HOF

Greatest Turnarounds in College Football History
1. LHC Bill Snyder, KSU

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Do you even lift, bro?  :flush:


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Come on, Weber has coached at three schools and one resulted in an upward trend. I know it's a Mo Valley school, but still.

This is his career:

1998–99    Southern Illinois    15–12    10–8    T–5th    
1999–00    Southern Illinois    20–13    12–6    3rd    NIT Second Round
2000–01    Southern Illinois    16–14    10–8    T–4th    
2001–02    Southern Illinois    28–8    14–4    T–1st    NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2002–03    Southern Illinois    24–7    16–2    1st    NCAA First Round
Southern Illinois:    103–54 (.656)    62–28 (.689)

Illinois Fighting Illini (Big Ten Conference) (2003–2012)
2003–04    Illinois    26–7    13–3    1st    NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2004–05    Illinois    37–2    15–1    1st    NCAA Runner–up
2005–06    Illinois    26–7    11–5    T–2nd    NCAA Second Round
2006–07    Illinois    23–12    9–7    T–4th    NCAA First Round
2007–08    Illinois    16–19    5–13    T–9th    
2008–09    Illinois    24–10    11–7    T–2nd    NCAA First Round
2009–10    Illinois    21–15    10–8    5th    NIT Quarterfinals
2010–11    Illinois    20–14    9–9    T–4th    NCAA Third Round
2011–12    Illinois    17–15    6–12    9th    
Illinois:    210–101 (.675)    89–65 (.578)

Kansas State Wildcats (Big 12 Conference) (2012–present)
2012–13    Kansas State    27–8    14–4    T–1st    NCAA Second Round
2013–14    Kansas State    20–13    10–8    5th    NCAA Second Round
2014–15    Kansas State    7–6    0–0
   
The biggest outlier years were the terrible teams of 2007-08 and 2011-12, and he's otherwise been pretty damn solid to pretty damn great. The 2011-12 season is partly explained by the fact he was obviously done at Illinois and the he totally lost his team. That leaves one unexplained bad data point. That's why I thought the whole hue and cry about him being a loser coach was stupid, irrational and unsupported by data. He might be awkward and an unsexy hire, but he wins.

But I'm at a total loss as to why this team is so horrible. We are obviously going to finish with a losing record (only happened once before in his career) and will likely be oscar's worst team ever.

Still, given his 17-season track record of evidence to the contrary, I think it's crazy to have predicted KSU would be horrible this year, and chum's example of winning the lottery is appropriate. I'm just totally blown away by how bad we are.

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Yes, the A.D. used to claim it was the longest. Then someone realized Kentucky has a longer streak.  :Poke:

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Frank
« on: December 29, 2014, 01:32:06 PM »
Igaf  because the answer will determine which of these two crap coaches will win more games this year, its the most excitement  a cat bball fan will have.

Lord, this is sadly true.  The smart money is on Frank.  USC is clearly playing less crappity than KSU this year (not saying much).  Honestly, USC seems to have gotten it going now after a lousy start.  Plus Frank gets to play against all those other losery SEC teams while we get pounded by real teams in the Big 12.

Worst losses:
1. KSU v. Texas Southern
2. KSU @ Long Beach State
3. USC v. Akron (but not nearly as bad as our losses)

Best wins:
1. USC v. Oklahoma St.
2. KSU v. Texas A&M
3. USC v. Clemson
4. KSU losing to Arizona by 4

I'm a oscar fan, but he has to be fired after this year if this team doesn't improve.  I mean, we're horrible.

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Other Sports (Tiger's Back) / Re: ksu ladycats
« on: December 15, 2014, 04:30:02 PM »
Well that sounds promising!  :thumbs:

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