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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Oscar and the new AD
« on: April 19, 2017, 09:54:59 PM »Who you hiring right this second, grainer?
At this point, anyone would be better than Oscar Weber.
Anyone.
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At this point, anyone would be better than Oscar Weber.
Anyone.
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Oscar and the new AD
« on: April 17, 2017, 10:03:55 PM »
Summary statement: Kansas State Men's Basketball is in a world of hurt for the foreseeable future.
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Oscar and the new AD
« on: April 17, 2017, 02:03:28 PM »
I dont see how the two are mutually exclusive. I hate oscar too but the second currie left was the nail in that coffin.
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KU recruits well. Their PR absolutely sucks.
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KU recruits well. Their PR absolutely sucks.
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Oscar and the new AD
« on: April 17, 2017, 01:48:51 PM »You're missing the obvious PR move here, Ptolemy. Stop with the broken record crap that we already know.
PR move? I thought it was for recruiting? WTH?!?!
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Oscar and the new AD
« on: April 17, 2017, 01:41:17 PM »when Oscar inevitably parts ways with K-State.
"inevitably?" Why would he leave? He takes $2mil of our money and blames everyone else for all his failures. We suffer through three straight losing conference records and a 0.500 5-yr conference record and we extend him purportedly to give him leeway to do something (recruit) he has proven to be unable to do?
What am I missing here?
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Oscar and the new AD
« on: April 17, 2017, 01:21:12 PM »
His recruiting has been the least of his issues here.
Not for a Power 5 conference job. His substandard recruiting is why his team is picked to finish 9th in a 10 team conference in his 5th year.
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Oscar and the new AD
« on: April 17, 2017, 01:11:17 PM »He will be extended, paid about the same, and it will cost about the same to fire him. All of it is just to ensure he has some appearance of stability in order to recruit.
But Oscar can't recruit.
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Oscar and the new AD
« on: April 16, 2017, 11:59:37 PM »Good grief Ptolemy. Change the record.
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THIS is why Veatch should have fired Oscar's incompetent ass.
Now we have an AD, finally, and he now has to go through the tedious process of "evaluating" a sitting head coach that most of the fan base knows is not up to the task of winning at the Power 5 level.
This task should have been handled before we hired the new AD because the capabilities of Oscar WERE NOT IN QUESTION.
This university is REALLY dumb when it comes to basketball. It's embarrassing.
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Oscar and the new AD
« on: April 16, 2017, 02:02:50 PM »
https://twitter.com/coachbruceweber/status/853000577428725761
The empty Bramlage behind Oscar is appropriate.
The empty Bramlage behind Oscar is appropriate.
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Oscar and the new AD
« on: April 14, 2017, 10:39:42 PM »
Quick, someone send our new AD a video of the end of the Texas Southern game.
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Oscar and the new AD
« on: April 14, 2017, 06:04:20 PM »
If he's the AD, he has the power to fire Oscar now. The body of work is there for all to see. None of us had to give Oscar 5 years to figure out if he could do the job. All we had to do was look at his record at the place that had just fired his ass.
BITB and Stanbot are convinced that ADGT just has to take Oscar aside and ask him, "What do I need to do to help you improve the talent level at KState?" The answer to that question is simple. Oscar will say, "I don't want to get my hands even a little dirty bringing in Jacob Pullen-type kids."
So, ADGT will easily know right away to fire Oscar.
BITB and Stanbot are convinced that ADGT just has to take Oscar aside and ask him, "What do I need to do to help you improve the talent level at KState?" The answer to that question is simple. Oscar will say, "I don't want to get my hands even a little dirty bringing in Jacob Pullen-type kids."
So, ADGT will easily know right away to fire Oscar.
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: 2017 awards banquet recap
« on: April 12, 2017, 11:13:03 PM »
I love Wes Westicles. If he makes an NBA roster I will eat my own liver in front of the entire audience of this message board.
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: NEXT YEAR...
« on: April 12, 2017, 12:11:01 PM »
Oscar won't schedule any non-con game he can't/won't be guaranteed to win. WSU does not fit that criteria. He needs to do that to succeed at the P5 level. He has shown that as long as he slouches toward the slightest hint of finishing in the top half of the conference, his $2+million honey pot continues uninterrupted because the admin and relevant donors do not care enough to expect and demand more.
It is what it is.
It is what it is.
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
« on: April 09, 2017, 12:55:43 AM »1. The first thing we have to keep in mind is that the conference is a true round robin. This means you have to play every team at their place. Secondly, I believe our conference has been tougher top to bottom than it was during the Frank years. The coaches, from top to bottom, are better. There wasn't one easy gimme, this year, in conference. TCU beat KU, for instance, in the Big XII tournament. One can disagree with me and that's fine. Everyone has to admit, however, that the conference dynamic is much different than when Frank was coaching here. Therefore, Weber should not be hated for conference records, IMHO, especially when one considers that the Foster fiasco led to Weber completely having to rebuild.
2. The Weber conundrum, IMHO, arises from one thing. He followed a popular coach who left before there were down years. Let's call it the Frank factor. Let's make no mistake about this. There would have been some down years even if Frank had stayed. Heck, there was a down year when Frank was here and had Pullen, Clemente, Sutton, Brown and others. Mellinger writes much of Weber's poor media image and that Weber tends to say things, which upset fans. There's probably some truth in this, but I believe the Frank factor is to blame for much of this phenomenon. After all, the only thing Weber can say that many fans will accept is: "I suck." With every loss, the only thing fans (the ones who dislike Weber) will accept is for Weber to take full blame. They didn't like Weber from the minute he was hired because of the Frank factor. I'll never forget some of them criticizing Weber for the first words he spoke when he stepped up to the mic after being hired: "Why K-State?" They said it was like him saying, "Why would a coach, as great as me, take this lowly K-State job?" I never saw it that way. I saw it as Weber's way of showing all the things, which made him excited about being in Manhattan. After the KU home loss this year, Weber said our guys kicked KU's butt on the play hard chart, but KU made more plays at the end. Media, and fans, crucified him for this, but Weber was absolutely right. Sitting court side, I had the exact same sentiment. I was thinking, throughout the whole game, how our guys wanted this so badly; how they were diving for balls and being more aggressive in many ways. I was sickened because some of our shots just wouldn't go down in crunch time and I wanted our guys effort to be rewarded. When I heard Weber speak these words on the post game radio show, I was glad he did so. He was supporting the hard effort of his players. That's not what the media, or Frank's fans, wanted to hear. The only thing they wanted to hear was that Weber was outcoached.
This is not to say Weber is a media savant. Frank is surely better in front of the mic than Coach Weber. This is simply to say that the Weber conundrum has more to do with the Frank factor than it does Weber.
Please seek psychological therapy.
This is not that complicated.
Oscar has shown himself via his record of accomplishment to be a good mid-major level coach. He is in over his head - in recruiting, game day coaching, player development, and public relations - at the Power 5 level.
That's it.
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: TBT
« on: April 08, 2017, 12:41:02 AM »TBT trying out an interesting end of game rule change to prevent fouling. I kind of like it.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19078511/zach-lowe-basketball-tournament-innovative-end-game-rule
The gist:QuoteElam landed on something more radical: eliminate the game clock from crunch time. Under Elam's proposal, the clock would vanish after the first stoppage under the three-minute mark in the NBA and the four-minute mark in NCAA games. Officials would establish a target score by taking the score of the leading team and adding seven points -- then restart the game without a clock. The team that reaches that target score first wins.
In simpler terms: If the Clippers lead the Jazz 99-91 when Rudy Gobert hacks DeAndre Jordan with 2:55 left, the game then becomes a race to 106 points. Utah must outscore the Clippers 15-6 to win.
Dumbest idea since the 3-point shot.
With a game change that drastic, you can never compare today's game to yesteryear's. Also, officials become too involved in the game's outcome. They're too much part of it now, through non-calls and calls.
You want to improve the game of basketball? Eliminate the three-point line and do not allow players into the NBA who do not possess a college degree.
You're welcome.
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: NEXT YEAR...
« on: April 04, 2017, 10:27:45 PM »too many debbie downers in this thread lately, why the hate?should the cats just send joey brackets a coaching contract?
I'd take Lunardi over Oscar in a NY minute!
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: NEXT YEAR...
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: NEXT YEAR...
« on: April 04, 2017, 03:53:45 PM »http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
We're going to miss the tournament again next year. Can we fire Oscar now?
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Currie
« on: April 01, 2017, 05:25:51 PM »
I'd have loved to hear Currie's answer to the question, "Did you once tell LHC Bill Snyder as he was leaving a meeting to, 'Sit your ass down!'?"
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: oscar WEBER IS A rough ridin' LOSER WHO CAN'T RECRUIT AND IS SOCIALLY AWKWARD
« on: March 31, 2017, 04:53:54 PM »
Oscar was on radio row at the final four and was supposed to appear with BITB on 810 and got on his phone in the room then cancelled right before going on.
Hmmmm....
Hmmmm....
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Reiter with the Neutron Bomb!
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Bob Huggins left Cincinnati to coach Kstate
« on: March 30, 2017, 01:48:21 AM »
Love Wefald, but...Kellis!
"The Wildcats have won at a respectable level under current coach oscar Weber, going 100-68 with three NCAAs and one Big 12 championship. He ranks fifth among K-State coaches in victories, but some still long for the Martin era."
This is an example of a KU alum still pissed his team lost and passively trying to kick KStaters in the nuts out of frustration.
Oscar is 45-45 in 5 seasons in conference play, this last year was not "an NCAA," and lumping Weber in with truly good coaches that went to the Final Four after leaving KState because he lucked into one before he came here is an embarrassingly shallow comparison.
"The Wildcats have won at a respectable level under current coach oscar Weber, going 100-68 with three NCAAs and one Big 12 championship. He ranks fifth among K-State coaches in victories, but some still long for the Martin era."
This is an example of a KU alum still pissed his team lost and passively trying to kick KStaters in the nuts out of frustration.
Oscar is 45-45 in 5 seasons in conference play, this last year was not "an NCAA," and lumping Weber in with truly good coaches that went to the Final Four after leaving KState because he lucked into one before he came here is an embarrassingly shallow comparison.
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
« on: March 28, 2017, 03:00:39 PM »
I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.
I just described that Oscar is a better coach than the other two, but it's just in the corn-is-better-than-lima-beans sort of manner. Oscar could easily go fight for the talent needed to make that transition to an every-year-NCAA-tournament, and he actively chooses not to.
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
« on: March 28, 2017, 02:17:08 PM »
Asbury and Wooly legitimately WANTED to win and be successful, they just did not know this region recruiting-wise and just did not know how to get it done respectively.
Oscar does not want to win and be successful. He wants to simply tread water, take our millions, and retire a wealthy man at our expense. He could have gone into the deep Chicago recruiting alleys to get the talent at Illinois, but he chose not to. He could have very easily aligned himself with an AAU program recruiter like everyone else with a pulse in their program does, but he chooses not to. As long as we allow him to continue to financially rape our donors and program, he will do so.
Oscar does not want to win and be successful. He wants to simply tread water, take our millions, and retire a wealthy man at our expense. He could have gone into the deep Chicago recruiting alleys to get the talent at Illinois, but he chose not to. He could have very easily aligned himself with an AAU program recruiter like everyone else with a pulse in their program does, but he chooses not to. As long as we allow him to continue to financially rape our donors and program, he will do so.
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: The fan base is wounded, and a swelling bag of pus will explode.
« on: March 28, 2017, 12:28:39 AM »
Just spent the last half-hour watching vets on youtube draining infections from cattle, and I feel renewed.