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Kansas State Football / Re: Time to Fire up the ole predicto machine again...
« on: July 15, 2016, 02:06:30 PM »
I see you guys winning between 4-7 games.
We kick your ass this year though.
We kick your ass this year though.
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Essentially Flyertalk / Re: Kids
« on: July 15, 2016, 11:37:07 AM »
My friend who has 2 kids says that her car has an awful unknown smell in it now because her kids probably spilled something. So a cupholder seems important to preventing this.
Your friend is aware that she can clean her car's interior, right?
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Essentially Flyertalk / Re: Master Dating Thread
« on: July 15, 2016, 10:44:16 AM »
So being a good friend to crazy, bored married female friends is paying off.
I have a date with a chick that seems to be a good bit of trouble from aforementioned married friend (this one is 34). Also, been introduced to several 23-27 year olds who are open to dating someone my age (35).
I have a date with a chick that seems to be a good bit of trouble from aforementioned married friend (this one is 34). Also, been introduced to several 23-27 year olds who are open to dating someone my age (35).
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas
« on: July 12, 2016, 04:15:33 PM »
I really do sympathize with both sides on this.
The vast majority of cops are people just doing a job (and by vast majority, >95%). The problem is, as the Houston example Emo posted earlier, very small numbers of cops can have very large impacts on communities. Throw in the us vs. them mentality that has been instilled in police departments since the beginning of the drug war, improved technology for people to monitor the police with, and you get to where we are now.
The vast majority of cops are people just doing a job (and by vast majority, >95%). The problem is, as the Houston example Emo posted earlier, very small numbers of cops can have very large impacts on communities. Throw in the us vs. them mentality that has been instilled in police departments since the beginning of the drug war, improved technology for people to monitor the police with, and you get to where we are now.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas
« on: July 12, 2016, 04:06:47 PM »
Are you implying that the cop ran your plates, saw your last name is Jimenez or something, and then pulled you over?
And then he saw that you were white and wrote you ticket anyway?
There's a little bit more to the story that I left of for privacy reasons.
Cliff notes: Cop ran my tags. Assumed I was related to someone. Wrote the ticket after busting my balls.
I guess, this story isn't exactly relevant at all to the point you are trying to make.
You might have had a point if I wasn't related to who he assumed I was related to.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas
« on: July 12, 2016, 03:59:02 PM »
Are you implying that the cop ran your plates, saw your last name is Jimenez or something, and then pulled you over?
And then he saw that you were white and wrote you ticket anyway?
There's a little bit more to the story that I left of for privacy reasons.
Cliff notes: Cop ran my tags. Assumed I was related to someone. Wrote the ticket after busting my balls.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas
« on: July 12, 2016, 03:53:28 PM »3 years ago, I sped through a school zone, got pulled over for it and slammed with a big ticket by an african american cop. Went to QT to get some awesome taquitos and came back the same way. The officer had pulled over a african american girl for the same thing, pretty young girl, but he let her go with a warning.Point being, if you want to make irrational decisions based off a few mere examples, go for it I guess.I know it, because I had my window down and she kept saying "thank you so much! I won't do it again!" What a racist pig!
Amazing how small sample sizes seem to matter when it comes to this but not when it comes to analyzing police shootings. #mathishard
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas
« on: July 12, 2016, 03:52:18 PM »IDK. I wasn't there. I'm only hearing one side of the story. Are you African American? Did this influence it?
Hispanic, and, yes, that influenced it.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas
« on: July 12, 2016, 03:47:11 PM »I'm a month late renewing my tags, because being slammed with wedding stuff, and I have a break light out in the back of my car. I'm aware of these things. I hope I can make it home tonight before it gets dark, because I know what I have coming for me if I don't.
Yea, the most expensive individual fake ticket I got was for running a red light. Cop pulled up behind me while I was stopped at the red light. Light goes green. I go and then he pulls me over a 1/4 mile later.
When I asked him why he pulled me over after he asked for my license and insurance, he stammered for a good 90 seconds and then blurted out that I ran the red light. I told him that I most certainly did not run the light and asked him why I would run a red light that I had been stopped at and especially after I saw him pull up behind me.
The cop made me get out of the car to talk to him at that point. He asked me no less than 5 times if he could search my car. I politely told him no each time. Then he kept inventing reasons to keep talking to me. When he couldn't think of anything else (and after two cars of his buddies showed up), he finally wrote me the red light ticket (fine was somewhere around $150. Lawyer got it dismissed for $250).
So what rule did I break there Wacky?
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas
« on: July 12, 2016, 03:32:20 PM »
Pre-textual stops are the best.
I've been pulled over more than a dozen times for stops like that over the course of my life. I have a Hispanic sur name, but a typical white Midwesterner's skin complexion (every single vehicle I've owned has had tinted windows). For about a 1/3 of those stops, the cops gets to the window and double checks all of my info, gives me a bs excuse for pulling me over and then has sent me on my way.
During about half of those, the officer has approached my car with gun unholstered or in his hand. Those were fun.
I've gotten 3 made up tickets as a result of these stops too (fines totaled up to some where around $1200).
Ftr, I'm always polite with police because my family were cops and because I've never wanted to get beat up by a cop on a power trip. I've seen friends get their heads smashed in by cops for simply giving a smart ass remark to a cop.
I've been pulled over more than a dozen times for stops like that over the course of my life. I have a Hispanic sur name, but a typical white Midwesterner's skin complexion (every single vehicle I've owned has had tinted windows). For about a 1/3 of those stops, the cops gets to the window and double checks all of my info, gives me a bs excuse for pulling me over and then has sent me on my way.
During about half of those, the officer has approached my car with gun unholstered or in his hand. Those were fun.
I've gotten 3 made up tickets as a result of these stops too (fines totaled up to some where around $1200).
Ftr, I'm always polite with police because my family were cops and because I've never wanted to get beat up by a cop on a power trip. I've seen friends get their heads smashed in by cops for simply giving a smart ass remark to a cop.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas
« on: July 12, 2016, 03:26:35 PM »
I don't think the article or study implied that when I read it
That's correct. He didn't, nor did the article. But it was being quoted as if it were a rebuttal to everything we already know about policing.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas
« on: July 12, 2016, 03:20:24 PM »
I was reading something about Houston and they used to receive a ton of citizen complaints (or whatever). When the current police chief came into power he got rid of around 70 specific officers and immediately the citizen complaints dropped drastically. 70 out of 5500 were causing the bulk of the problem.
The larger problem is the police department for years protected those 70ish officers to the public's and the department's peril. And this is happening all over the country
I grew up with the KCPD (several family members were cops (retired now)). The blue wall of silence is very real and pervasive.
Police departments know who isn't fit to be a cop and officers need to do a better job of pointing those people out and removing them from being police officers.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas
« on: July 12, 2016, 03:17:38 PM »"geographic limitations" was what i was talking about when i said that it was not a flaw that the study conducted was not the one you wanted. if you want a broader study, go do it yourself.
the sample size is fine. they are forthright in disclosing that the information is based on the police officers' narratives. it is a necessary (e.g. the only way to avoid it is to not conduct the study) limitation that informed consumers of the study can and should consider when viewing the study results.
The author of the study was directly quoted as saying that his work is not definitive work on police shootings.
It wasn't a necessary limitation. It was a limitation imposed by himself due to the resources that he had to do the study.
If people weren't trying to hold it out as a rebuttal to the mountains of research that show minorities disproportionately are victims of police misconduct, then I wouldn't have even mentioned it.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas
« on: July 12, 2016, 03:07:51 PM »Anyway, some have made the point that the numbers are most relevant to specific precincts or municipalities or whatever you want to call it.
For example, let's just assume we have this problem in KCK or KCMO. I have heard that the demographics of the respective police forces are waaaaay too white compared to the demographic of the population. It's going to take many years, maybe 20 or 30 years, to get halfway close to an ideal state. Which I'm not saying means we shouldn't try, but it's good to set some realistic expectations. Kudos to the Dallas police chief urging his constituents to join his department. That's a great first step (although I don't think Dallas has much of a problem anyway, but whatevs).
Dallas had problems with cops shooting people with questionable justifications. They bought body cameras and that stuff has dropped off considerably.
Dallas has also led a lot of community outreach programs for the last few years and has had success with them.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas
« on: July 12, 2016, 03:05:29 PM »The composition of the study is flawed.
not really, no. at least not that i could discern from reading the ny times article. the fact that the study conducted is not the study you wanted to be conducted does not make it flawed.
Small sample size, geographic limitations, and being based on police narratives=flawed study design for definitive conclusions. It provides an interesting look at the numbers but it doesn't tell us anything definitive at this point and time.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas
« on: July 12, 2016, 03:03:20 PM »there is a lot of data here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/
This does show more killings of whites than all other races combined, btw.
catastrophe is a wackycat mult.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas
« on: July 12, 2016, 02:51:28 PM »The study did show that black people are about 20% more likely to be mistreated by means other than getting shot. I'm not sure how reliable those numbers are if the numbers that say they are no more likely to get shot can't be used, though.
Re-read the article. That data came from another much larger study.
Edit: Also, never said that it couldn't be used. Just noted that you can't make definitive conclusions due to the study's design.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas
« on: July 12, 2016, 02:32:15 PM »
Also, direct quote from aforementioned Harvard professor.
Quote
Mr. Fryer emphasizes that the work is not the definitive analysis of police shootings, and that more data would be needed to understand the country as a whole.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas
« on: July 12, 2016, 02:28:36 PM »You're right. That Harvard Professor is a real dumbass.
That's not what I said.
I said it's an interesting look at the data, but it is far from being definitive. Small sample size, geographic restrictions, and self reports=bad study design for meaningful conclusions.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas
« on: July 12, 2016, 02:23:14 PM »Well I got an A in stats, so get mumped Nardfrog!
Being able to plug in numbers in a formula doesn't equal comprehension.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas
« on: July 12, 2016, 02:21:28 PM »That study is the best that's out there, nardfrog. Of course i'm not saying it's a 100% accurate.
The composition of the study is flawed. You can't draw any definitive conclusions about accuracy as a result. It's an interesting look at some of the data but it doesn't really confirm or deny much.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas
« on: July 12, 2016, 02:19:24 PM »
Also, these conversations reveal who actually paid attention in statistics class.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas
« on: July 12, 2016, 02:16:54 PM »
This whole situation is pretty sad, but it is especially shitty that Dallas police officers were the victims. The DPD has made working with the communities in the city a big priority and they've made a lot of headway.