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That's a fair point, but I think any animus should be directed at the principal, not his agents. SHS is just doing her job the best that she can. I don't find her any more culpable than an attorney defending an accused murderer.

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That is just ridiculous. Everyone is entitled to a fair trial with a competent defense. Nobody is entitled to having somebody lie to the press for them because they can’t be bothered.

Well that's just not true.

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That's a fair point, but I think any animus should be directed at the principal, not his agents. SHS is just doing her job the best that she can. I don't find her any more culpable than an attorney defending an accused murderer.

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12953
Nazi collaborator.  Jesus. STFU, The Left, if you want to be taken seriously.

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Essentially Flyertalk / Re: San Francisco things
« on: June 23, 2018, 07:26:56 PM »
And she's blushing from embarrassment. I almost feel bad for her.

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Essentially Flyertalk / Re: San Francisco things
« on: June 23, 2018, 07:26:19 PM »
She has no option left other than to rise from her squatting position and act tough :lol:

12956
Court ruled on this Reno


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Professor SteveDave, things like this chap my butt and chars my gruns.  If I threw Nancy Pelosi out of my Corndog and Fried Catfish Shack because of her politics, I would hounded by the press, vilified on the Internet, and likely sued by Whorey Daniel's pimp lawyer Avenatti.   However, Chickenman who owns the Red Hen Lib Restaurant is being celebrated for tossing Trump’s spokesman out his place.  Why is there a double standard for conservatives and liberals?

You didn't read the article, did you?

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Essentially Flyertalk / Re: San Francisco things
« on: June 23, 2018, 07:14:05 PM »
It's so cringe when she realizes her hide-and-seek spot had been compromised.

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Essentially Flyertalk / Re: Pet Peeves
« on: June 21, 2018, 11:54:06 AM »
Yeah, pretty dumb.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: LOL CLINTON
« on: June 21, 2018, 11:52:19 AM »
A 200+ page complaint. I feel bad for the clerks tasked with parsing that screed. If I were the judge, I'd make them replead.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: LOL CLINTON
« on: June 20, 2018, 02:08:20 PM »
I like that the article was published 2 days ago, yet the guy murder-suicided his wife and himself back in March.

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Essentially Flyertalk / Re: Fanning's daily MSN news clippings.
« on: June 20, 2018, 01:42:28 PM »
Great find.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: LOL CLINTON
« on: June 20, 2018, 01:39:21 PM »
Wacks, do you think Hilldog had that guy and his wife off'd?

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Essentially Flyertalk / Re: Pet Peeves
« on: June 20, 2018, 11:32:33 AM »
i need to take a right turn so let me first cut into the left lane
One of mine, too. Bro in a Carolla actin like he drivin a big rig. Wtf.

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Essentially Flyertalk / Re: Kc restaurant suggestions
« on: June 19, 2018, 08:30:14 PM »
It’s in the middle of nowhere downtown. It’s not a parking thing. It’s a “OMG why do so many good ppl talk this place up, when it’s average at best” thing.


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Bc the Midwest?

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14 days will rarely be enough time to gather all the evidence needed to win an asylum case, even if represented by a reasonably competent attorney.

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So it appears the judge suggested that unconscionability of the user contract might be a viable theory. Also, it seems the California constitution may differ from the federal one in that there may be some positive rights given to citizens that they can raise against private businesses who open up their doors as a sort of public forum.

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I kinda get the twist when it’s a government account like Trump preventing people from following him, but this argument makes no sense to me. The First Amendment doesn’t say you have a right to speak your political views, it says the government doesn’t have a right to infringe them in most cases.

Yeah. The judge didn't rule that the white nationalist's first amendment rights were violated, though. The judge just didn't allow the case to be dismissed.
Right, but I can't even conceive what hypothetical facts, if proven, would entitle the plaintiffs to relief. Is Twitter a state actor? Is Twitter some sort of public forum or public channel/instrumentality?

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Other Sports (Tiger's Back) / Re: US OPEN
« on: June 16, 2018, 10:53:41 PM »
The players are in open revolt. And Phil is leading the vanguard.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: the trump swamp
« on: June 15, 2018, 10:46:56 AM »

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Essentially Flyertalk / Re: 201* Concert Thread
« on: June 15, 2018, 01:07:58 AM »
I'm down to go with if I can bring my friend Molly. U in?

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: summertime pix
« on: June 15, 2018, 12:33:38 AM »
The fit between Dean and KSU couldn't be any more snug. It is providence.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/14/us/politics/campus-speech-protests.html

Finally, we can have free speech on college campuses by expelling student protestors and by compelling campuses to be open forums for Nazis and whomever else some campus organization troll wants to invite.

Incredible, no one could have foreseen this "free speech defense" rhetoric being cynically manipulated.

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“You did it for underrepresented students, do it for underrepresented points of view,” said Senator Lamar Alexander, Republican of Tennessee and the chairman of the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions. In his comments, which he made at a New York Times conference on higher education last month, Mr. Alexander said that if colleges did not prioritize political diversity, they risked graduating a generation of overly squeamish adults.

“We don’t want a whole generation of students who have to go to a safe room when they read an offensive tweet,” he said. “They need to learn how to deal with that in our society.”

Were UW-M to expel a student pursuant to a three-strikes policy, I think they'd have a pretty textbook 1st Amendment claim. Sounds like that hasn't happened, though.

And it has long been the law that speech in a public forum cannot be prevented based solely on the political affiliation of the speaker. So, yes, a Nazi is included in that definition. So-called "hate speech" is also protected speech, subject to a few exceptions that rarely apply. None of this is new or novel...

There are campus speech policies across the country--and across the political spectrum--that would likely be invalidated if suit were brought by a proper plaintiff. The problem is you need in injury in order to establish standing. So if these institutions never take punitive action pursuant to such policies, such policies are not subject to judicial review.

On balance, I think the political left is still more hypocritical when it comes to First Amendment issues at public universities. But time will tell.

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Right, not disputing that.

But this seems to deputize anyone with a campus club to invite whoever they want and then compel the University to approve the event under threat of the law and would then prevent anyone else in the campus community from protesting the event under penalty of expulsion.

What does "have been found to have twice interfered with someone’s free expression" even mean? If they silently protest are they out?

Which group is bringing the force of the state to bear to stifle free speech?
Exactly why I think it would be void due to vagueness, despite being content-neutral on its face (@Dlew12). The problem is it can't be tested unless it is exercised. The amount of discretion given to administrators in enforcing it is also problematic.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/14/us/politics/campus-speech-protests.html

Finally, we can have free speech on college campuses by expelling student protestors and by compelling campuses to be open forums for Nazis and whomever else some campus organization troll wants to invite.

Incredible, no one could have foreseen this "free speech defense" rhetoric being cynically manipulated.

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“You did it for underrepresented students, do it for underrepresented points of view,” said Senator Lamar Alexander, Republican of Tennessee and the chairman of the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions. In his comments, which he made at a New York Times conference on higher education last month, Mr. Alexander said that if colleges did not prioritize political diversity, they risked graduating a generation of overly squeamish adults.

“We don’t want a whole generation of students who have to go to a safe room when they read an offensive tweet,” he said. “They need to learn how to deal with that in our society.”

Were UW-M to expel a student pursuant to a three-strikes policy, I think they'd have a pretty textbook 1st Amendment claim. Sounds like that hasn't happened, though.

And it has long been the law that speech in a public forum cannot be prevented based solely on the political affiliation of the speaker. So, yes, a Nazi is included in that definition. So-called "hate speech" is also protected speech, subject to a few exceptions that rarely apply. None of this is new or novel...

There are campus speech policies across the country--and across the political spectrum--that would likely be invalidated if suit were brought by a proper plaintiff. The problem is you need in injury in order to establish standing. So if these institutions never take punitive action pursuant to such policies, such policies are not subject to judicial review.

On balance, I think the political left is still more hypocritical when it comes to First Amendment issues at public universities. But time will tell.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Is it really racism...
« on: June 11, 2018, 05:23:53 PM »
Well, there's only Juan way to find out...

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Ha

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