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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Baton Rouge

« on: July 18, 2016, 09:44:06 PM »

Liberal agenda. 

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/754878017311215616

How in the hell did that bacon make Don Lemon seem reasonable and sympathetic?

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: RNC

« on: July 18, 2016, 09:30:03 PM »

Rudy didn't say anything overtly racist but he lied a lot. Progress!

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Is there an impending race war?

« on: July 18, 2016, 09:22:45 PM »

  hope so, that would be the crap

It didn't come up in the last meeting though, I'll ask everyone next week but I won't tell you guys.



Sneak Attack

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas

« on: July 18, 2016, 05:22:06 PM »

Help me out with the second wrong.

Providing government resources, collected from people independent of race in the form of taxes, and then distributed to others on the grounds of race is wrong, anti-American.  Like I said, I'd be for it if it weren't based on demographics (specifically race demographics).  Plenty of Latin and white areas could use some investment, too.

Right, but you're forgetting all about the country's long history of systematically destroying black communities. Whites, Hispanics, and Asians didn't have to deal with that for the most part, although Hispanics have absolutely been the victims of housing discrimination. I'm guessing this will go back to you wanting me to just call it good without a substantive make good gesture or legislation. All of the legislation passed in the civil rights era did a good job of attempting to eliminate systematic racism, they did nothing to fix the hole white America dug black people into. I mean we still have people in the workforce that remember pre civil rights legislation America, yet many white people can't understand why black communities have serious problems.

190 years of oppression
50 years of perceived equality
"Why can't black people..."

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: TBT

« on: July 16, 2016, 08:14:24 PM »

how was lance harris in such awful physical condition in college compared to now. he's like 31

Are you remembering another Lance Harris?

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Kansas State Football / Re: BSFS Expansion Thread

« on: July 15, 2016, 05:28:03 PM »

Probably the third best Manhattan

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas

« on: July 15, 2016, 05:22:28 PM »

Help me out with the second wrong.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas

« on: July 15, 2016, 04:10:16 PM »

his point was that america didn't exist 400 years ago, liblib.

Does that mean that the areas that eventually became America had no bearing on culture? Again, irrelevant to the discussion

maybe i don't understand what the discussion is about (or 11 different people are having eight different discussions).

in my opinion, the central discussion of the day is dancing around the idea of reparations, or some other remedy or corrective for the impact of slavery/institutional racism. mir stated in responses to various posters that he doesn't think descendants of people that developed/supported or upheld those institutions are personally responsible for any remedy and also that he doesn't think "white people" as a group are responsible.  i agree with both of those statements.

that pretty much only leaves political entities as possible responsible parties it is nonsensical to hold a political entity responsible for actions that occurred when it didn't exist, hence any discussion of federal responsibility for institutions that perpetuated institutional racism prior to the existence of the us is irrelevant.  if you want to discuss the potential responsibility of england or of virginia, it might be an interesting discussion.

That's not entirely true.  Someone did ask who is responsible for fixing this, and he did pose the question something like "are the victims the one's responsible for the fix?"  So if I Venn diagram this stuff out, MIR is either saying that white people today are responsible for the fix, or he's inferring that he believes something he doesn't actually believe.

I just wish he would actually say what he thinks should happen.  Then his ideas could be confronted and considered for merit. 

But, he won't do that, I'm not entirely sure why and I could speculate but nah that's not productive either.

What the eff dude, do you want me to make something up? I've said twice that I don't know what the answer is. I never said or inferred that it's a simple solution. What I do know is doing nothing and not acknowledging that there have been institutional ills, which is exactly why we're having this conversation, the dissenting opinion being since slavery everything has been peachy, is unacceptable and far from a solution.

And yes when we're talking about how to fix racial issues in this country white people need to fix it. The power structure is responsible for this and the power structure has to buy in for the solution is to work; that power structure clearly lies with the majority.

I'm okay with brainstorming. 

"We" are NOT "doing nothing."  There has been plenty of legislation passed and enacted, among other things.  You know that and ignore it.

There have been institutional ills, if people are denying that than I have missed it.  Those ills led to the above referenced legislations.  And those ills are not specific to or exclusive to blacks. 

I personally believe the best thing we "white people" can do is to raise our children to respect and treat everyone else fairly.  I also believe that making public policy more fair or slanted or whatever to favor any race over another is wrong, against the idea of the this country, and probably illegal anyway.  I'll make a promise to you, some dude I've never met, that I will hold my children to a high standard in that regard.

They kinda are though. Just discussing post Jim Crow; blacks were shoved into the same neighborhoods, then we're not offered the same municipal services and had schools in those neighborhoods underfunded. The only solution to this particular ill has been to work harder, yet it, much much more than slavery, is the biggest reason for the issues that black communities face.

This led me to my first set of solutions. Municipal services and infrastructure within metropolitan areas need to be upgraded. We need to spend more money on education and higher education needs to be even more accessible and affordable.

I would probably mostly support those, but not if the projects were prioritized by demographic makeup (it shouldn't be a determining factor).

But the problem is a demographic issue. My point is that the system had no problem disenfranchising blacks why not offer direct and proportional relief?

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops

« on: July 15, 2016, 04:07:35 PM »

What is a cop supposed to do in that situation?

Keep shooting until rigor sets in to be completely sure he won't get the imaginary gun they were afraid of.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas

« on: July 15, 2016, 03:03:43 PM »

his point was that america didn't exist 400 years ago, liblib.

Does that mean that the areas that eventually became America had no bearing on culture? Again, irrelevant to the discussion

maybe i don't understand what the discussion is about (or 11 different people are having eight different discussions).

in my opinion, the central discussion of the day is dancing around the idea of reparations, or some other remedy or corrective for the impact of slavery/institutional racism. mir stated in responses to various posters that he doesn't think descendants of people that developed/supported or upheld those institutions are personally responsible for any remedy and also that he doesn't think "white people" as a group are responsible.  i agree with both of those statements.

that pretty much only leaves political entities as possible responsible parties it is nonsensical to hold a political entity responsible for actions that occurred when it didn't exist, hence any discussion of federal responsibility for institutions that perpetuated institutional racism prior to the existence of the us is irrelevant.  if you want to discuss the potential responsibility of england or of virginia, it might be an interesting discussion.

That's not entirely true.  Someone did ask who is responsible for fixing this, and he did pose the question something like "are the victims the one's responsible for the fix?"  So if I Venn diagram this stuff out, MIR is either saying that white people today are responsible for the fix, or he's inferring that he believes something he doesn't actually believe.

I just wish he would actually say what he thinks should happen.  Then his ideas could be confronted and considered for merit. 

But, he won't do that, I'm not entirely sure why and I could speculate but nah that's not productive either.

What the eff dude, do you want me to make something up? I've said twice that I don't know what the answer is. I never said or inferred that it's a simple solution. What I do know is doing nothing and not acknowledging that there have been institutional ills, which is exactly why we're having this conversation, the dissenting opinion being since slavery everything has been peachy, is unacceptable and far from a solution.

And yes when we're talking about how to fix racial issues in this country white people need to fix it. The power structure is responsible for this and the power structure has to buy in for the solution is to work; that power structure clearly lies with the majority.

I'm okay with brainstorming. 

"We" are NOT "doing nothing."  There has been plenty of legislation passed and enacted, among other things.  You know that and ignore it.

There have been institutional ills, if people are denying that than I have missed it.  Those ills led to the above referenced legislations.  And those ills are not specific to or exclusive to blacks. 

I personally believe the best thing we "white people" can do is to raise our children to respect and treat everyone else fairly.  I also believe that making public policy more fair or slanted or whatever to favor any race over another is wrong, against the idea of the this country, and probably illegal anyway.  I'll make a promise to you, some dude I've never met, that I will hold my children to a high standard in that regard.

They kinda are though. Just discussing post Jim Crow; blacks were shoved into the same neighborhoods, then we're not offered the same municipal services and had schools in those neighborhoods underfunded. The only solution to this particular ill has been to work harder, yet it, much much more than slavery, is the biggest reason for the issues that black communities face.

This led me to my first set of solutions. Municipal services and infrastructure within metropolitan areas need to be upgraded. We need to spend more money on education and higher education needs to be even more accessible and affordable.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas

« on: July 15, 2016, 10:28:48 AM »

his point was that america didn't exist 400 years ago, liblib.

Does that mean that the areas that eventually became America had no bearing on culture? Again, irrelevant to the discussion

maybe i don't understand what the discussion is about (or 11 different people are having eight different discussions).

in my opinion, the central discussion of the day is dancing around the idea of reparations, or some other remedy or corrective for the impact of slavery/institutional racism. mir stated in responses to various posters that he doesn't think descendants of people that developed/supported or upheld those institutions are personally responsible for any remedy and also that he doesn't think "white people" as a group are responsible.  i agree with both of those statements.

that pretty much only leaves political entities as possible responsible parties it is nonsensical to hold a political entity responsible for actions that occurred when it didn't exist, hence any discussion of federal responsibility for institutions that perpetuated institutional racism prior to the existence of the us is irrelevant.  if you want to discuss the potential responsibility of england or of virginia, it might be an interesting discussion.

That's not entirely true.  Someone did ask who is responsible for fixing this, and he did pose the question something like "are the victims the one's responsible for the fix?"  So if I Venn diagram this stuff out, MIR is either saying that white people today are responsible for the fix, or he's inferring that he believes something he doesn't actually believe.

I just wish he would actually say what he thinks should happen.  Then his ideas could be confronted and considered for merit. 

But, he won't do that, I'm not entirely sure why and I could speculate but nah that's not productive either.

instead of having one group responsible for fixing strained race relations in this country, maybe...just maybe...black people and white people should work together to do it. the difficult thing is that it must start with the individual, and has to spread to the institutional level from there. you can't initiate the fix at the institutional level because then people start feeling like they've been left out of the conversation and start to resent being put in that position. Bun B (of UGK fame) has a great comment about this in the following video (which is also supremely fascinating):

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2Dh-GKWW5g[/youtube]

Working together is all as well and good but ultimately if white people don't want it to happen, it won't. If we got reparations instead of Jim Crow a hundred years ago, we would be less likely to be where we are right now.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas

« on: July 15, 2016, 10:23:56 AM »

his point was that america didn't exist 400 years ago, liblib.

Does that mean that the areas that eventually became America had no bearing on culture? Again, irrelevant to the discussion

maybe i don't understand what the discussion is about (or 11 different people are having eight different discussions).

in my opinion, the central discussion of the day is dancing around the idea of reparations, or some other remedy or corrective for the impact of slavery/institutional racism. mir stated in responses to various posters that he doesn't think descendants of people that developed/supported or upheld those institutions are personally responsible for any remedy and also that he doesn't think "white people" as a group are responsible.  i agree with both of those statements.

that pretty much only leaves political entities as possible responsible parties it is nonsensical to hold a political entity responsible for actions that occurred when it didn't exist, hence any discussion of federal responsibility for institutions that perpetuated institutional racism prior to the existence of the us is irrelevant.  if you want to discuss the potential responsibility of england or of virginia, it might be an interesting discussion.

That's not entirely true.  Someone did ask who is responsible for fixing this, and he did pose the question something like "are the victims the one's responsible for the fix?"  So if I Venn diagram this stuff out, MIR is either saying that white people today are responsible for the fix, or he's inferring that he believes something he doesn't actually believe.

I just wish he would actually say what he thinks should happen.  Then his ideas could be confronted and considered for merit. 

But, he won't do that, I'm not entirely sure why and I could speculate but nah that's not productive either.

What the eff dude, do you want me to make something up? I've said twice that I don't know what the answer is. I never said or inferred that it's a simple solution. What I do know is doing nothing and not acknowledging that there have been institutional ills, which is exactly why we're having this conversation, the dissenting opinion being since slavery everything has been peachy, is unacceptable and far from a solution.

And yes when we're talking about how to fix racial issues in this country white people need to fix it. The power structure is responsible for this and the power structure has to buy in for the solution is to work; that power structure clearly lies with the majority.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops

« on: July 15, 2016, 05:41:15 AM »

I simply don't understand why police officers aren't trained too utilize non lethal shots in certain situations. In this case and the dude in Baton Rouge the victims clearly weren't cooperating but they also posed no immediate threat to the safety of the murderous officers.

To watch them keep pumping lead into the body of a dying man because he can't put his hands out is gross.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas

« on: July 15, 2016, 05:12:19 AM »

In this day and age you probably have more white people that have disdain for blacks because of behavior like Mir's than you have old school redneck racists, nice work fellas

I 'za sorry massa. I 'za be keepin' my thinkin' to myself

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas

« on: July 14, 2016, 03:33:40 PM »

You might be missing mir's point

You might be missing mir's point

i'm not sure if emo missed mir's point or not, but i'm pretty confident that you either missed or ignored emo's point.

Don't know about lib but I ignored emo's point because this, like every other race conversations we've had, he's countering points I haven't made.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas

« on: July 14, 2016, 03:23:03 PM »

The issue with race conversations for most people is that they are completely unwilling to listen before taking.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas

« on: July 14, 2016, 03:13:27 PM »

What has brought you to that assumption?

I've came across a lot of MIR's in my life. Like, i'm friends with them IRL, but when they tell me how they really feel, I can hear the hate in their heart. Sounds like a lot of them assume, white ppl have that same hate in their heart as well. I'm saying in general. Obviously, not everyone feels this way.

1. You don't know a thing about me.
2. You're too rough ridin' stupid to know and articulate what's in your own mind, don't do it for others, it's a losing proposition.

Internet tough guy!

What's so tough about observing that you're legitimately stupid?

rough ridin' stupid = Having opposing view points from MIR #MIRlogic Do you call your camp kids rough ridin' idiots too? Is that your whole vocabulary? Just belittling ppl 24/7?

The list of people on this blog I've called stupid is a very short list. I legitimately think, almost know, that you have a sub 80 iq.

Well, you're no brain surgeon yourself. You run a camp for Christ sakes.

You're correct, I'm definitely not a brain surgeon. You got that one right, have a lollipop.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas

« on: July 14, 2016, 02:48:31 PM »

What has brought you to that assumption?

I've came across a lot of MIR's in my life. Like, i'm friends with them IRL, but when they tell me how they really feel, I can hear the hate in their heart. Sounds like a lot of them assume, white ppl have that same hate in their heart as well. I'm saying in general. Obviously, not everyone feels this way.

1. You don't know a thing about me.
2. You're too rough ridin' stupid to know and articulate what's in your own mind, don't do it for others, it's a losing proposition.

Internet tough guy!

What's so tough about observing that you're legitimately stupid?

rough ridin' stupid = Having opposing view points from MIR #MIRlogic Do you call your camp kids rough ridin' idiots too? Is that your whole vocabulary? Just belittling ppl 24/7?

The list of people on this blog I've called stupid is a very short list. I legitimately think, almost know, that you have a sub 80 iq.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas

« on: July 14, 2016, 02:40:07 PM »

What if all lives matter isn't a monolith and includes people who use the phrase to say there is racism and inequality and the collective we need to strive to towards removing them and being more inclusive as a society.

This is exactly why black lives matter is important. I don't understand how in this country it's so hard to acknowledge that black people have had it ultra shitty throughout the history of this country? How in the eff can you guys fix anything if you refuse to acknowledge what has happened to black people in this country?

I acknowledge the history, what do you want me to fix and how, you wrote this crap not me.......

I don't want, you, cat27, to do anything, you're incapable of doing much of anything for anyone.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas

« on: July 14, 2016, 02:36:42 PM »

What if all lives matter isn't a monolith and includes people who use the phrase to say there is racism and inequality and the collective we need to strive to towards removing them and being more inclusive as a society.

This is exactly why black lives matter is important. I don't understand how in this country it's so hard to acknowledge that black people have had it ultra shitty throughout the history of this country? How in the eff can you guys fix anything if you refuse to acknowledge what has happened to black people in this country?

You say this is important, you say you don't want sympathy, what do you want white people to fix?
I am being sincere, I love black people and want them to thrive like I do all Americans.

Fix 400 years of institutional racism.

mocat math 

Nah apparently you don't read. The first slaves were brought and sold in 1619. I know that wasn't taught in American history in middle and high school but I'm sure you're an adult now.

And you're saying some monolithic group of white people alive today are responsible for that?  C'mon.  My ancestors had nothing to do with that.

Feel free to link me saying white people today being responsible for slavery? Thanks and I'll listen off the air.

If they are not responsible, then why is it their problem to fix?

I don't know why you are so routinely dismissive of clear, direct questions.  It makes dialogue (which I think is the point) very difficult.

Two things
1. Because a make good never happened does that mean we should just forget about it? Treat it like someone stole a soda out of the fridge?
2. Should I post the list of historical wrongs again? I mean I won't but I'm confused by you acting as if this all stopped with the emancipation proclamation.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas

« on: July 14, 2016, 02:32:48 PM »

What has brought you to that assumption?

I've came across a lot of MIR's in my life. Like, i'm friends with them IRL, but when they tell me how they really feel, I can hear the hate in their heart. Sounds like a lot of them assume, white ppl have that same hate in their heart as well. I'm saying in general. Obviously, not everyone feels this way.

1. You don't know a thing about me.
2. You're too rough ridin' stupid to know and articulate what's in your own mind, don't do it for others, it's a losing proposition.

Internet tough guy!

What's so tough about observing that you're legitimately stupid?

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas

« on: July 14, 2016, 02:31:20 PM »

We are victims of institutional racism and have not been able to rise out of it!

Sincerely,
Justice Clarence Thomas
Prof. Walter Williams
Dr. Thomas Sowell

I don't think you understand the conversation

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas

« on: July 14, 2016, 01:45:10 PM »

What if all lives matter isn't a monolith and includes people who use the phrase to say there is racism and inequality and the collective we need to strive to towards removing them and being more inclusive as a society.

This is exactly why black lives matter is important. I don't understand how in this country it's so hard to acknowledge that black people have had it ultra shitty throughout the history of this country? How in the eff can you guys fix anything if you refuse to acknowledge what has happened to black people in this country?

You say this is important, you say you don't want sympathy, what do you want white people to fix?
I am being sincere, I love black people and want them to thrive like I do all Americans.

Fix 400 years of institutional racism.

mocat math 

Nah apparently you don't read. The first slaves were brought and sold in 1619. I know that wasn't taught in American history in middle and high school but I'm sure you're an adult now.

And you're saying some monolithic group of white people alive today are responsible for that?  C'mon.  My ancestors had nothing to do with that.

Feel free to link me saying white people today being responsible for slavery? Thanks and I'll listen off the air.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas

« on: July 14, 2016, 01:42:22 PM »

What has brought you to that assumption?

I've came across a lot of MIR's in my life. Like, i'm friends with them IRL, but when they tell me how they really feel, I can hear the hate in their heart. Sounds like a lot of them assume, white ppl have that same hate in their heart as well. I'm saying in general. Obviously, not everyone feels this way.

1. You don't know a thing about me.
2. You're too rough ridin' stupid to know and articulate what's in your own mind, don't do it for others, it's a losing proposition.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Dallas

« on: July 14, 2016, 01:35:35 PM »

How?

Do you normally rely on victims or the afflicted to correct errors of those committing transgressions?

Stop playing games, I'm asking you what you think the solution is.

No idea, what's yours?