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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: We don't have much LONger to wait; KSU ADV

« on: February 25, 2017, 07:57:13 PM »

Well my thesis is certainly going to get tested.

I believe this was the largest win/loss margin in the entire conference this season. If you and others who have adopted your thesis are being honest, there really shouldn't be any sincere talk of retention unless he wins the next three games. I still don't think that's enough. At this point it's more likely for him to get canned before the season ends than it is that he'll be coaching here next season.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: We don't have much LONger to wait; KSU ADV

« on: February 25, 2017, 07:53:04 PM »

another great effort on 3% d.  we seem to finally have gotten that issue fixed.

With just two lottery wins?

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Potential oscar replacements? (mods plz merge. Can't find an old thread on this)

« on: February 25, 2017, 07:51:19 PM »

mir, what chance would you give currie of hiring someone that will have more success at kstate than underwood will have at osu over the next 5 years?

That's an excellent question. If done right I would say better than 50/50. I think Sampson is a better coach than Brad and there will be coaches to be had who have accomplished as much as Brad has like, Holtmann. The difficulty with this question is we still have no idea what's Brad's capacity to build a program. He didn't build a program at SFA, he dominated a bad conference for two years. Right now Brad is no more proven than lets say Paul Hewitt was when he went to Georgia Tech.

I'm interested in how you and others think about this, it's really an excellent hypothetical.

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Kansas State Football / Re: Briles > Snyder

« on: February 25, 2017, 06:55:34 PM »

 
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/baylor-womens-coach-says-parents-concerned-about-sexual-assault-scandal-should-be-knocked-right-in-the-face-002940857.html
Baylor women's coach has strong words for parents concerned about sexual assault scandal

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: I've never seen a man take so much ridicule and scorn

« on: February 25, 2017, 06:52:42 PM »

oscar would be fine at most SEC schools.

Doubt it. Wasn't he supposed to do better here out of the shadow and expectations of the Chicago recruiting base and the Big 10 conference?

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Anyone watching the game?

« on: February 25, 2017, 06:49:32 PM »

I don't know why, but yes. The oscar repeat collapse from Illinois is nearly complete.

This is the equivalent of the Nebraska game.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Potential oscar replacements? (mods plz merge. Can't find an old thread on this)

« on: February 25, 2017, 06:08:57 PM »

At what point does telling the same joke over and over again get super old?

Yes, Currie is going to hire someone shitty we all hate. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

It's been acknowledged and laughed at, now can we stop reading a different variation of the same joke 68,346 times a day?

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Anyone watching the game?

« on: February 25, 2017, 05:51:54 PM »

Dead ass team

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Guys, I think that just did it

« on: February 25, 2017, 05:46:38 PM »

Anyone with any business acumen at all, I'm talking like lemonade stand level thinking, knows Weber's relatively small buyout isn't a deterrent to firing him. Last year we reported a men's basketball revenue of $9.3 million. Having a coach the fans have given up on will result in a sharp drop in ticket sales, apparel, concessions, and of course donations. Having something to believe in will result in an increase.

Pretty basic stuff.

I don't disagree but I don't know that we've reached a tipping point to make that change.  A lot of the same people that bought tickets this year will buy tickets next.  Maybe even more if we add another couple wins in the NIT.  Weber has the white kid from Kansas that plays "the right way."  That sells a lot of tickets and buys a lot of patience.

Come on with this crap, man. There is no possible way to know who is going to renew their tickets but the sliding attendance is a metric I'd look at instead of people investing thousands of dollars because we have a white kid.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Currie Needs To Go First

« on: February 24, 2017, 12:30:20 AM »

The bigger issue for an athletic director is if that coach as fired for sanctions.

But, why?  Why is that the case?
 
Because it doesn't seem that way at all when it comes to most of the most  programs.

You really don't know? Athletic directors don't have any control over made baskets or fumbles. There are multiple people in an athletic department in charge of oversight, if the NCAA stepped in multiple people missed something, people who have it in their job descriptions to discover and stop these things.

I don't understand your point about the SEC at all. I don't know of any SEC coach who was hired by an AD, sanctioned for cheating under that same AD and they both kept their jobs. Do you know of any? It seems to me that SEC athletic directors have a shelf life of about 26 minutes.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Going Under...

« on: February 23, 2017, 06:49:50 PM »

The love fest for Brad Underwood, IMHO, is based on emotion and not sound judgment. There simply is not enough evidence for a verdict. If oscar Weber had Evans as a guard, I bet K-State is fighting for a Big XII Championship at this very moment. Brad needs to prove himself for a while before I would feel good about his hire.

The stuff about Brad is kinda accurate,  at thinking oscar would be in championship contention with Evans though, he had his Evans already.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Guys, I think that just did it

« on: February 23, 2017, 06:47:36 PM »

Anyone with any business acumen at all, I'm talking like lemonade stand level thinking, knows Weber's relatively small buyout isn't a deterrent to firing him. Last year we reported a men's basketball revenue of $9.3 million. Having a coach the fans have given up on will result in a sharp drop in ticket sales, apparel, concessions, and of course donations. Having something to believe in will result in an increase.

Pretty basic stuff.

Does that outweigh admitting that you made a mistake?  I'm having a hard time believing it will.

  IMO he has more to lose by keeping Weber but I have no idea what that guy is thinking

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Guys, I think that just did it

« on: February 23, 2017, 05:41:55 PM »

Anyone with any business acumen at all, I'm talking like lemonade stand level thinking, knows Weber's relatively small buyout isn't a deterrent to firing him. Last year we reported a men's basketball revenue of $9.3 million. Having a coach the fans have given up on will result in a sharp drop in ticket sales, apparel, concessions, and of course donations. Having something to believe in will result in an increase.

Pretty basic stuff.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Currie Needs To Go First

« on: February 23, 2017, 05:34:29 PM »

Meant to say fire their own hire and hire someone new


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I know what you meant. Right off hand the two best athletic directors at the most pressure packed jobs in the conference, Deloss Dodds and Joe Castiglone both did it. Most university presidents, especially those out of the top 10 athletic programs in the country, aren't anywhere close to as reactionary as fans are. Making a coaching mistake is far from ideal but selecting a comer basketball coach is far from some sure thing. Indiana, Kentucky, North Carolina, and UCLA have all fired coaches somewhat recently. The bigger issue for an athletic director is if that coach as fired for sanctions.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Warm up the search firm

« on: February 23, 2017, 05:24:46 PM »

Here is a scenario.  K-State wins 2 out of the next 3 games, win their first game in the tournament but loses to KU or Baylor in the 2nd round.  They are invited to the NCAA tournament where they lose in the open round or maybe get eliminated in the 2nd round.  Does Currie justify that as progress?  It was over any other year. 

Another scenario.  K-State loses 2 of their last 3 and does not get a NCAA bid, but does get invited to the NIT where they do well going all the way to Madison Square Garden.  Does Currie consider that progress?

Neither of those scenarios are unrealistic with the schedule remaining.  An I think Currie will consider ANY post season invite as progress, which may justify Weber returning next year.  Just a thought.

Scenario one is what I broached last week. At this point I think it's 50/50 that he keeps his job, less the odds that he stays here next year, regardless.

The performance in the NIT will in no way be used to evaluate whether he stays or not, so your second scenario is sort of built on a false premise.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Ruh-oh!!!

« on: February 23, 2017, 05:01:07 PM »

who was the former player's car he was in? 

because it seems like he might have just leaked a bit of info on how these guys are paid.

Scot Pollard still running that game?

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Currie Needs To Go First

« on: February 23, 2017, 04:59:38 PM »

how many AD's hire a P5 bball or fball coach, fire him and then get to hire another?

I'd imagine most do, why would you assume they wouldn't?

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Ruh-oh!!!

« on: February 23, 2017, 12:14:11 PM »

why aren't we talking about this too?
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/kansas-devonte-graham-arrested-shortly-after-jawhawks-clinch-big-12-title/

Water's wet, sun's hot, etc, etc, etc. Our house is on fire while the neighbors are still running a trap house.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Oklahoma State tickets

« on: February 23, 2017, 12:10:39 PM »

That's fair, but I would like to think my school wouldn't allow this kind of dumbassery. It's a bad look and Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). It's petty. Boo oscar and tell your AD you're not happy, but dressing like a jackass and holding a sign only 10 ppl get, is just a bad look for the school.

It's only a bad look for the school because they took the mask, how are you not getting that? If "only 10 ppl get" it why should the AD care about a cow mask? What if someone decided to wear a shirt that had BB on it because this dude and a couple of people on his floor of haymaker call oscar, Butthead oscar and the AD took their shirt? Incredibly stupid, right?

Your trim thing is informing your really inconsistent opinion on this.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Better Leyton than never; OSU ADV

« on: February 23, 2017, 12:02:35 PM »

44 total minutes for DJamer and X seems criminal.

Sneed has not played well for 6 games. He isn't giving us anything on Offense (3-17 3pt, 4-12 2pt). His overall Rebounding hasn't been good (10 Reb in 110 min) but his DR numbers are terrible. 

I'd rather see him at the 4 than Mo or Budke, but unfortunately Sneed has been unproductive for these past 6 gms

I spent all of January and half of February telling you all that he would revert to the mean. That doesn't mean he should be getting less minutes, if you think he's valuable you give him more opportunities to get out of it. It isn't like those minutes are going to a more productive player(s).

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Guys, I think that just did it

« on: February 23, 2017, 11:55:22 AM »

oscar is about to reel off at least 2 out of 3 to get people back on board.  Then it's the NIT and oscar led veteran squad in 17-18.

yup

Grats guys on sharing a take with kim carnes

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Oklahoma State tickets

« on: February 23, 2017, 11:49:33 AM »

Currie- 1000 Trim- 0

 

I have been as big as a Currite as anyone on this board but you're out of your cotdamned mind if you think this constitutes a win for Currie. It appears as if gE is deep into the domes of the athletic department.

Whomever from the AD that is currently reading this hear me loud and clear. I'm a donor, and a STH, a good one too. I can live with a coaching mistake, these things happen, I make hiring mistakes too. What I won't tolerate is a rabbit eared, thin skinned, infantile athletic department that does not allow a student to wear a damn cow mask. Have some dignity and some damn self respect. A cow mask? Pathetic.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Meltdown

« on: February 23, 2017, 11:37:12 AM »

It was another good crowd.  oscar deserves none of this support.


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All things considered, it was ok but not good. The worst crowd for a big 12 game that I can remember post wooly. I'm starting to come around to Mir's thought that he could get fired even if he makes the tourney.

I'll give you a percentage now. I think there is an 80% chance this is over. Even if oscar survives, I think he's going to do the Oliver Purnell Memorial Job Reset.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Guys, I think that just did it

« on: February 23, 2017, 10:29:47 AM »

more likely than not, it's still tourney for these cats.

we are one win away from making the tournament, and 2 from not playing in the "first four" in Dayton.

I don't think this is accurate

I think scott is forgetting that one more win comes with three more losses, with a minimum of two of those against non tournament teams

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Better Leyton than never; OSU ADV

« on: February 23, 2017, 10:20:40 AM »

oscar's continued refusal to take chances with his players when they get into foul trouble is confounding, maybe he has quit on the season too.