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Originally Posted By: blue04
This program is in worse shape that it was under Turner Gill.
Not just no, but hell no.
Oklahoma State put up 56 in the first half with Gill.
News flash...this program sucked long before weis arrived. The life blood of a football team is the line and it takes years to develop a cohesive offensive line...and that's assuming they are talented enough to compete at the Big 12 level...which the current crop of offensive lineman are not. It's going to take more than a year and a half. You figure the first year of recruiting was wasted as Weis came on board long after most of the good players had committed...so he basically has had one year to recruit offensive lineman that typically take 3 to 4 years to develop with the first year being a red shirt year. there is no quick fix...so forget it if you think you can replace Weis and get immediate improvement.
Unfortunately, that's what people have been saying for the last three years. Turns out they were/are wrong. The third option after going up or down is staying the same. I keep thinking KU is about to turn the corner and get back to respectability, only to find more of the "same sh*t, different day" type results.
I haven't given up hope of getting another win this year, but it doesn't look overly promising at this point. Fortunately, KU should be better next year, but then again, I thought the same thing about this year compared to last. Sure the defense appears to be better, but the end result appears to be still remaining a bottom feeder.
I agree, the average fan "wants" a good team ( or, more accurately, one that doesn't embarrass them, at least). They just don't understand that football is about 20x more complex than basketball. It takes a brilliant coach (Snyder) 2-3 years to implement a system and get his players, playing together and implementing his system. It takes a good coach (Weis) 4-5 years to do the same. The chances of the next Snyder coming to Lawrence (and staying), are slim and none. That leaves us with a coaching merry-go-round.
Snyder has screwed KU in so many ways. Fans look up the road and see what he has done, and demand the same here. He is lightening in a bottle - an incredible coach who has transformed the worst team in the nation into something much, much better. He did it rather quickly and has sustained it for the better part of 20 years.
KU, on the other hand, will probably fire Weis in the next year or two, and bring in a new coach who will demand a guaranteed, iron clad contract, because he will know that the demands of the fans/ admin can't be met, and he will be thrown into the coaching graveyard in 2-3 years. A near certain recipe for failure in Big 12 football.
There is a reason blue blood basketball schools suck at football - the vast majority of the fans do not understand how difficult it is to build a football team. Give 'em a year or two, maybe three, and if they are not winning regularly, show em the door. Hire new coach (after other, more patient teams have sewn up the recruiting), repeat cycle.
Someone in another post said how dead this board is - I agree. But it is better than having a bunch of nattering naybobs on here running down the coaches, the team, and, probably, running off the recruits.
At least there's basketball.
Why would anybody want to be a head coach at a career killing football program like KU? I mean, that's what you get when you fire a national coach of the year winner (and OC of a national champion) for being fat and yelling and (gasp) losing some games!
Anyway, I don't believe that coaches can just turn things around immediately with the likes of what Terry Allen left, or what Gill left. It takes time.
Coaches don't coach for money; they coach to win and be part of winning and THEN getting money. We need to show prospective coaches that we're not idiotic, that we care about football, that we actually know about something besides basketball. None of this has actually happened just yet.
How about twice as much money as Northwestern could ever muster to keep him.
Northwestern doesn't have the budget that KU has.
What about Kelly? I think he's done with NFL after next year, potentially. We'll see.
At some point I want a coach with a little emotion on the sideline. Gill was a Zombie and I haven't seen any emotion out of Weiss. At some point the coaching staff and the players have to break. I want to see an argument on the sideline, a player telling Weiss the play calling sucks, someone in someone's face. Anything. Just some emotion.
OSU got up by 21 points, and as I predicted, took its foot off the pedal. Here are two quotes (first from HC Gundy and second from OC Yurcich):
GUNDY: “We were pretty vanilla,” Gundy said. “We felt comfortable with our defense and their ability to play well today. We weren’t as wide open as we would normally be on other Saturdays.”
YURCICH “We were pretty vanilla, there wasn’t anything too exotic,” offensive coordinator Mike Yurcich said. “We knew we just had to secure the ball and do what we do.”
In other words, we were just trying to win, and get out of the game with no more injuries other than Stewart. After all, Texas, Baylor and Oklahoma are up next. All we really needed was the win.
Zenger probably wasn't a wise selection either. Seemingly the guy was gaga over Weis. Even my wife who knows nothing about football but is a pretty good judge of character could sense that Weis was a poor selection.
I was wondering if we can do like Notre Dame does. Play Big 12 basketball and MIAA football. We could schedule Pitt State, Fort Hays and Washburn.
Should have rode it out with Gill.
Weis can go **** himself. Done with him.
We are so so bad. Why am I watching this crap?
when they got back home. Are there any insiders who have any kind of news regarding plans, amount of money, anything?
When a forest burns to the ground. The floor of the forest feeds off the ash to stimulate germination and replenish the ground with valuable nutrients or something like that.
After yesterdays game I felt like I had been kicked ing the stomach. Week after week of bad play and what seems as lack of in game leadership. It's time to burn this stadium to the ground. Blow it up and build a new. On a personal note or request I would like seats instead of benches please. Anyway I'm sure there is no way total destruction happens. I'm just looking for something to give me/us hope for the future.
Re: Worst 4 year stretch in CFB history?
selfisking wrote:
JayhawksFan09 wrote: Are we nearing that level? We can't be far off..
An honest post like this with such low ratings? Apologists are annoying. Nothing wrong with calling a turd a turd
Go back to jacking off your frat buddy's.
ben ji if you get bored this weekend I always enjoy your BBS recaps fwiw
I would love to face a shitty big 10 team like OSU or Michigan, just romp all over them in a total pushover title game.
You mean like what should have happened last year?
Talked for a while last night with a coaching buddy of mine who attended the Don Meyer Coaches Clinic last week in KC. If you don't know, Coach Meyer is the long time coach at the lower college levels who was the winningest all time coach until Coach K passed him recently. He also had the car accident and cancer and won the Jimmy V award a few years ago. Needless to say, he is a Giant in the coaching industry. My buddy said that Coach Meyer said he never went above D2 because, "you have to sell your soul to coach at the highest level." He basically said everyone at the highest levels cheat. Sounds like he really trashed on Calipari, Boeheim, and even mentioned Self, saying he is good friends with Self, but if everyone around you is cheating, you do the same. He also mentioned that the reason Brad Stevens went to the Celtics is because he knew that he would not be allowed to cheat at Butler, and he would not be able to compete night in and night out in the Big East without cheating. He said that Coach Meyer talked about how if the wins become more important than the process, than you are coaching for all the wrong reasons. Made me feel good to have a guy like Coach Snyder, who has never and will never value winning before the process. As I drove home and thought about what my friend had told me, it made me feel better about Coach Weber also. I really believe that Coach Weber is a stand-up guy and does not want to get involved in the mud and muck. That is why he didn't have enormous success at Illinois. People want to bag on him for failing at Illinois, but the truth is, he didn't cheat enough to win at Illinois. In my opinion, KSU is a different beast. As long as Currie is in town, our coaches will not be allowed to cheat, and with that in mind, I think Weber is a good fit, as he is as good of a pure basketball coach as anyone out there. Give him equal talent, he will beat 95% or more of the coaches in the business. Whether he can consistently beat KU, I don't know, KU is running in the circles with the Kentucky's and the Syracuse's of the world. Coach Weber will have to do it by developing players, not buying them. Just some basketball thoughts on a Friday morning.
imo, currie lost a battle but will win his war eventually.
a very recently overheard conversation involving a ksu basketball staff member included this gem..."yes. i know. yes. coach martin has just had enough though. he's gone."
