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Kansas State Football / Re: You can't have NDSU's Coach Klieman

« on: December 04, 2018, 01:53:59 PM »

Before anyone is hired, I had better see BV once and for all tell K-State that he was approached and turned it down.  I want to see Leavitt report after not hearing from anyone, he put his hat in but was denied or not considered.  I may also want to see Jim LittreLL or some other coach share their non-interest.  Otherwise I would take such a hire as the administration taking the road of least resistance with no care for the future of the football program.

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Kansas State Football / Re: official: WELCOME CHRIS KLIEMAN -KANSAS STATE HEAD FOOTBALL COACH

« on: December 04, 2018, 01:46:35 PM »

AD Taylor has to know that everyone looking would see this as such the safe and easy hire, to appear he made no effort on part of the school.  Since we already know that 7-8 people are being vetted, someone would have to share with the media that they were approached, but not interested in the position for it to go to Klieman. 

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Kansas State Football / Re: You can't have NDSU's Coach Klieman

« on: December 03, 2018, 08:31:49 AM »

Really folks, are we having this discussion?  Let's not forget what happened during Tennessee's debacle to find their last coach.  Chris Klieman is an up and coming coach that will eventually find a decent Power 5 job, if he desires.  There is also nothing wrong with staying in the winning-est program in football right now.     

If he comes to K-State then it says more about AD Taylor looking for the safest hire.  Now that we are at a crossroads, BV's response to the TTU job probably goes equal to any job right now, with the exception of Clemson.  i am all in for Seth LittreLL at this point.

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Kansas State Football / Re: Trash coaching search

« on: November 29, 2018, 11:03:01 AM »

Let's be clear, the Seth LittreLL's of the world are up and coming coaches.  TTU and K-State would be considered stepping stone positions.  K-State needs someone that wants this to be their final destination. 

That is Jim Leavitt but as of yesterday, he interviewed with TTU and is talking to Colorado.  The only reason he is not offered TTU is because Venables retracted his original statement that currently he is not looking to leave Clemson as a promise to this son.  Something K-State fans realize by now is that whomever we are considering, TTU is going to flirt with them as well.

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Kansas State Football / Re: I tried suggesting we change the logo on another forum...

« on: November 27, 2018, 09:49:34 AM »

Again the why comes into play, which may or may not be so obvious.  Sooner fans wanted to change their logo years ago hence the bring the wood uniforms and helmets.  They only wear them once or twice a year.  Oklahoma State started the Pistol Pete logo years ago, which looks atrocious in my opinion.  I associate the Pokes with their iconic OSU emblem.  Modifying the emblem over the years has been fine, but the school does not need to continue with the changes, for change sake. 

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Kansas State Football / Re: I tried suggesting we change the logo on another forum...

« on: November 27, 2018, 08:05:03 AM »

I saw this on the other form, but the discussion had been locked.  My first question would be why?  As someone alluded to in this thread and the other, teams that have to change their logo every so often are attempting to find one that fits. 

If the reason for the change is because the logo/brand has become stale, what does that have to do with the program?  Consider all of the blue blood programs Bama, OU, ND, USC, Auburn, LSU Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Texas, Clemson..... Changing a logo that has become such an icon would be nonsense.

In saying that, I would not be opposed to creating an alternate uniform to break up the monotonous Dallas Cowboy look by going with a purple helmet and white powercat logo and maybe a single white stripe (or none) down the middle.  For those who are unaware, K-State is one of a few schools that have a single school color (Royal Purple). 

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Kansas State Football / Re: Happy Super secret meeting day.

« on: January 02, 2018, 04:02:02 PM »

This topic is completely asinine. 

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Kansas State Football / Re: Happy Super secret meeting day.

« on: January 02, 2018, 12:56:14 PM »

If the forums and KSO are mentioning the secret meeting, then it's not that big of a secret.  But since KSO seems to be the only media outlet claiming a meeting to take place gives me reasons to question the accuracy.  I would think calling everyone back for a meeting would be news.  It's not like the Manhattan media is inundated by topics to cover.

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Kansas State Football / Re: Is "K-State" Patented?

« on: July 27, 2017, 01:55:15 PM »

I guess it's all covered under intellectual property law. 

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Kansas State Football / Is "K-State" Patented?

« on: July 27, 2017, 01:10:36 PM »

As some may have heard, Ohio State filed for exclusive usage of "OSU" in February.  Oklahoma State has until the end of August to petition the request.  Otherwise, Oklahoma and Oregon State will no longer be able to use the moniker. 

When I google KSU, the results are Kansas State, Kent State and Kentucky State.....  But if I search "K-State", the results are exclusively Kansas State.  Did the university patent the moniker?

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Where do you see Trump ranked as an all-time president

« on: July 19, 2017, 04:51:44 PM »

Let's see, he is the 45th, so I would rank him 46th in his first six months. 

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Kansas State Football / Re: Miracle in Manhattan Documentary

« on: July 17, 2017, 10:18:02 PM »

It was inspiring. The documentary records those years leading up to LHCBS as I remember the program. Yet I don't think it does justice to just how bad historically K-State had been in football.  To say K-State lost 30 games in a row was nothing new, it was expected. 

Which is why it puts a further explanation point on what LHCBS has accomplished and just how fragile the program still remains, by making the wrong hire post Snyder.

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Kansas State Football / Re: Miracle in Manhattan Documentary

« on: July 17, 2017, 02:34:30 PM »

How long is part I?

About an hour.


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I saw elsewhere that it was 90 minutes long, then 57 minutes.  When I looked to rent it for 3-days, the MiM site says the video is only 30 minutes.  Which is it?

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Kansas State Football / Re: Later Stoops

« on: June 08, 2017, 03:40:49 PM »

The two extremes to me would be Lincoln Riley tanks the program similar to the 80's; or win a national championship in the next 2 years.  Neither of them are a stretch.  Chances are he will start somewhere in between.  But he knows the bar has been set high.  I doubt OU will accept 2 consecutive years of the record progressively worsening or 3-consecutive years without a 10 win season. 

As far as the lack of HC experience, you can count on one hand the number of current HCs in the Big XII that had prior experience at a D1 school.  Besides I still go back to the favorite to take over K-State.

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Kansas State Football / Re: Later Stoops

« on: June 08, 2017, 08:06:55 AM »

Couple of thoughts:

1.  Hiring Lincoln Riley is a stupid, stupid move.  He's inexperienced and a complete unknown commodity.  Maybe he'll work out, maybe he won't.  And that's the problem.  OU is comfortably a top 10 coaching job, and they can afford to go out and hire someone with a proven track record.  Make Chip Kelly an $8m/year offer.  Hell, take a run at Dabo.  OU can do that stuff.  Instead, we're playing the "wait and see" game with a 33 year old first-year head coach who has had less time as a P5 coordinator than Ron Prince when K-State hired him.

I can definitely see your reasoning, but the last person to have HCing experience before landing the job at OU was Howard Schnellenberger.  I think they are more concerned about not making the same mistake after Switzer left.

You mean like promoting assistant coach Gary Gibbs?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Oklahoma_Sooners_head_football_coaches

Gary Gibbs who never had a losing season and was fired and replaced by a .500 coach (Schnellenberger)?  That mistake?

Blake was the mistake.  Gibbs was fine.

Either way your post doesn't make any sense.  If Gibbs was the mistake made after Switzer retired, then Riley looks like the same damn thing.

The real question is will you guys fire Riley after four or five sorta meh seasons and replace him with a washed up alcoholic who tanks the program then replace him with an incompetent buffoon?  Only time will tell...

This is interesting coming from most fans who are chiming for Venables to be the successor of Snyder.  How does it not make sense?  Lincoln Riley was vetted by Stoops, Castiglione and Boren after his first season in Norman.  This was not a spur of the moment decision.  The fans are shocked by Stoops' decision, but they are (as one fan put it on talk radio this morning) stoked about OU's future under Riley. 

Gary Gibbs was smart but had no charisma and questionable leadership abilities; Blake had great charisma and was a great recruiter.  It should not be forgotten that Stoops won his only national championship with Blake teams.  Schnelly could not repeat what he started in Miami.  Every successful coach to come through Norman had no HC experience except Schnellenberger. 

The choice of Lincoln Riley makes perfect sense.

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Kansas State Football / Re: Later Stoops

« on: June 07, 2017, 04:39:00 PM »

Couple of thoughts:

1.  Hiring Lincoln Riley is a stupid, stupid move.  He's inexperienced and a complete unknown commodity.  Maybe he'll work out, maybe he won't.  And that's the problem.  OU is comfortably a top 10 coaching job, and they can afford to go out and hire someone with a proven track record.  Make Chip Kelly an $8m/year offer.  Hell, take a run at Dabo.  OU can do that stuff.  Instead, we're playing the "wait and see" game with a 33 year old first-year head coach who has had less time as a P5 coordinator than Ron Prince when K-State hired him.

2.  Notwithstanding this good news for teams like K-State, I will miss Bob.  He was always a great ambassador for the Big 12, even (especially) during the dicey periods.  Even at 58 or whatever, he was an elder statesman.  Hated his guts back when 98 was still fresh, but I've grown to really respect him.

Lincoln Riley has to be essentially an interim hire unless he wins the conference, right? I don't think he would've got the job if Stoops announced at the end of a season.

totally agree and the Riley hire tells me it was 100% health related.  The story is Bob's dad collapsed on the sideline while coaching a HS game at the age of 54 and died on the way to the hospital - my money is on Bob's doctors saw something they didn't like and he pulled the rip cord

Well unless he is lying (and why would he), Stoops has already announced that it's not health related, when that rumor started.  Press conference will be at 5:30.  Thought I was going to be bored until the season starts, but there will be plenty of discussion in Oklahoma the rest of the summer.  I love it, Sooner Nation is about to go into cardiac arrest.

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Kansas State Football / Re: Later Stoops

« on: June 07, 2017, 04:33:30 PM »

Couple of thoughts:

1.  Hiring Lincoln Riley is a stupid, stupid move.  He's inexperienced and a complete unknown commodity.  Maybe he'll work out, maybe he won't.  And that's the problem.  OU is comfortably a top 10 coaching job, and they can afford to go out and hire someone with a proven track record.  Make Chip Kelly an $8m/year offer.  Hell, take a run at Dabo.  OU can do that stuff.  Instead, we're playing the "wait and see" game with a 33 year old first-year head coach who has had less time as a P5 coordinator than Ron Prince when K-State hired him.

2.  Notwithstanding this good news for teams like K-State, I will miss Bob.  He was always a great ambassador for the Big 12, even (especially) during the dicey periods.  Even at 58 or whatever, he was an elder statesman.  Hated his guts back when 98 was still fresh, but I've grown to really respect him.

Lincoln Riley has to be essentially an interim hire unless he wins the conference, right? I don't think he would've got the job if Stoops announced at the end of a season.

Like I said earlier, I think people are under estimating this guy.  I expect him to do more than just win conference championships with the recruitment classes they have. 

What I do wonder is just how long Mike Stoops lasts and if Lincoln tries to get Venables back to Norman.

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Kansas State Football / Re: Later Stoops

« on: June 07, 2017, 04:28:25 PM »

Like my brother-in-law just said, he's either sick or about to get caught.

Neither.  Stoops had said for some time that he wanted to spend some time with his boys who graduated from high school this year.  He tried to announce it during the spring football game, but did not want to overshadow Merv Johnson's retirement.  With baseball and softball, Stoops held off as well. 

Not a health issue or problems in the program.  He just did not want to end up like his dad from what is being reported on the local radio here.

what does Merv Johnson have to do with anything

If you are asking, then I guess you are not aware of who he is? 

http://www.soonersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=208803511

Merv Johnson announced his retirement during the spring football game.   He was under Barry Switzer.

So your head football coach bases his retirement timing around a retired assistant from the 1980s? That doesn't strike you as odd?

More than just that but Stoops has never been a spotlight type guy.  He is like LHCBS in that way.  Besides during this entire time, David Boren and Joe Castiglione were trying to talk Stoops out of it.  He assured them the program is in great hands, unlike when Switzer left.

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Kansas State Football / Re: Later Stoops

« on: June 07, 2017, 04:22:30 PM »

Couple of thoughts:

1.  Hiring Lincoln Riley is a stupid, stupid move.  He's inexperienced and a complete unknown commodity.  Maybe he'll work out, maybe he won't.  And that's the problem.  OU is comfortably a top 10 coaching job, and they can afford to go out and hire someone with a proven track record.  Make Chip Kelly an $8m/year offer.  Hell, take a run at Dabo.  OU can do that stuff.  Instead, we're playing the "wait and see" game with a 33 year old first-year head coach who has had less time as a P5 coordinator than Ron Prince when K-State hired him.

I can definitely see your reasoning, but the last person to have HCing experience before landing the job at OU was Howard Schnellenberger.  I think they are more concerned about not making the same mistake after Switzer left.

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Kansas State Football / Re: Later Stoops

« on: June 07, 2017, 04:09:29 PM »

Like my brother-in-law just said, he's either sick or about to get caught.

Neither.  Stoops had said for some time that he wanted to spend some time with his boys who graduated from high school this year.  He tried to announce it during the spring football game, but did not want to overshadow Merv Johnson's retirement.  With baseball and softball, Stoops held off as well. 

Not a health issue or problems in the program.  He just did not want to end up like his dad from what is being reported on the local radio here.

what does Merv Johnson have to do with anything

If you are asking, then I guess you are not aware of who he is? 

http://www.soonersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=208803511

Merv Johnson announced his retirement during the spring football game.   He was under Barry Switzer.

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Kansas State Football / Re: Later Stoops

« on: June 07, 2017, 03:51:30 PM »

I think people are under estimating Lincoln Riley.  He is 33, and a heck of a coach.  Local sports here in Oklahoma is indicating that Lincoln Riley was pretty much being groomed after Herman left Houston since Riley was the first person they looked at.

Sounds like this was planned out sometime ago, even at the end of last season, but was kept under wraps

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Kansas State Football / Re: Later Stoops

« on: June 07, 2017, 03:35:50 PM »

Like my brother-in-law just said, he's either sick or about to get caught.

Neither.  Stoops had said for some time that he wanted to spend some time with his boys who graduated from high school this year.  He tried to announce it during the spring football game, but did not want to overshadow Merv Johnson's retirement.  With baseball and softball, Stoops held off as well. 

Not a health issue or problems in the program.  He just did not want to end up like his dad from what is being reported on the local radio here.

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Kansas State Football / Re: Corey Sutton

« on: June 02, 2017, 10:35:20 AM »

They are going to release Sutton eventually.  I don't know why they want to look as bad as possible in the process.

Maybe I am missing something here, or clearly some of you are confusing working to earn your keep with entitlement. Growing up in Oklahoma, I know way too many who lost their scholarships over the decades because they did not produce.  College football at the more elite programs is a cut throat business and players are well to aware at OU and OSU that there are not guarantees.  In the 70's-80's Corey Sutton would not have needed to be worried about being released at OU, because they would have snatched his scholarship. 

When HCBS makes it clear that he is not going to ever let that happen at K-State, it shows me the man has the highest of integrity.  If he is willing to make that commitment to his players, then I absolutely agree that he expects some loyalty from his players.  Corey Sutton gets to learn how the real world works.

Almost as stupid as Steffy's take

Not a take, it's how programs are run. 

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Kansas State Football / Re: Corey Sutton

« on: June 02, 2017, 10:14:33 AM »

Maybe I am missing something here, or clearly some of you are confusing working to earn your keep with entitlement. Growing up in Oklahoma, I know way too many who lost their scholarships over the decades because they did not produce.  College football at the more elite programs is a cut throat business and players are well to aware at OU and OSU that there are not guarantees.  In the 70's-80's Corey Sutton would not have needed to be worried about being released at OU, because they would have snatched his scholarship. 

When HCBS makes it clear that he is not going to ever let that happen at K-State, it shows me the man has the highest of integrity.  If he is willing to make that commitment to his players, then I absolutely agree that he expects some loyalty from his players.  Corey Sutton gets to learn how the real world works.

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Kansas State Football / Re: Corey Sutton

« on: June 01, 2017, 08:33:22 AM »

not a good look

For which party

I don't care how it looks for Corey.  I do care how it looks for KSU, Bill, and Andre.  For them it looks bad.  It's worse because it serves no purpose at all.

This also pushes me further into the not impressed by Andre Coleman camp.

I agree that this does not look good for K-State recruitment wise.  Hindering a kid from transferring and moving on with his life once they find out K-State is not going to be a good fit, could potentially impact future commitments. 

Whether he should be released is questionable since obviously we don't know the whole story.  If Sutton was told he would be released at the end of the semester to not affect the APR rating, yet decided to drop his classes anyhow then so be it.  He only showed his immaturity.  In the meantime as a fan, we can do just as much damage by bashing the kid on social media.  I say let this one play out.