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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Ole Piss and ESPNU, a match made in heaven
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: People who have had their faces X'd and O'd off by Kansas State's oscar Weber
« on: January 19, 2022, 07:31:58 AM »oscar's demeanor in the handshake line depending on whether he wins or loses is hilarious. Dude is the ultimate red assed sore loser, today I think he attempted to hug ever single person on tech's bench.
this one is my favorite
https://youtu.be/wLzpEkOIZvk?t=464
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
« on: November 14, 2021, 04:15:22 PM »
Hard to believe its been 8 years
Kansas State Basketball / Re: Wild Wildcats Vs. Lasalle game thread
« on: March 22, 2013, 03:02:59 PM »
i have seen this many times
Kansas St will come back, take the lead, go to the stall offense and end up losing by 4
(I was off by 2 points)
Kansas State Basketball / Re: Wild Wildcats Vs. Lasalle game thread
« on: March 22, 2013, 03:02:59 PM »
i have seen this many times
Kansas St will come back, take the lead, go to the stall offense and end up losing by 4
(I was off by 2 points)
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: IRL discussion of who should replace oscar
« on: December 09, 2020, 01:33:24 PM »
Frank Martin
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: remember when quin snyder had a black eye?
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: BRAWL
« on: January 22, 2020, 07:13:46 AM »
Someone should ask oscar why he wa stge only coahc who didnt get in the middle trying to break it up. Guy just stood on the edge of the circle holding back a player who wasnt even doing anything
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Non specific game that is on now thread
« on: January 19, 2020, 03:11:52 PM »
lol at the hate on frank martin
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Play in Game is our fate. Similar year to 2016-2017
« on: January 14, 2020, 08:57:57 PM »
cold long winter for yall
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Adversity and maybe a bunch of other things: 2019-20
« on: January 07, 2020, 08:58:37 PM »
has weber destroyed you all
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: oscar WEBER IS A rough ridin' LOSER WHO CAN'T RECRUIT AND IS SOCIALLY AWKWARD
« on: January 04, 2020, 12:36:31 PM »Maybe it was Mark Smith calling to say he's a Cat!That would be a call to take. This kid is going to make some coach somewhere look dang good.
Hpw's Cunzo looking
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
« on: February 04, 2018, 12:16:54 PM »a blow by fist bump
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
« on: February 02, 2018, 09:52:53 AM »
K-State also had little time to practice for La Salle.
“We had one day for preparation,” Weber said. “You have to play a 13-seed who is better than their seed, and you only get one day to prepare and it wasn’t even really a day. They played at 10 at night and we had practice the next morning at 11. What can you get done? But it is what it is. You can’t make excuses.”
“We had one day for preparation,” Weber said. “You have to play a 13-seed who is better than their seed, and you only get one day to prepare and it wasn’t even really a day. They played at 10 at night and we had practice the next morning at 11. What can you get done? But it is what it is. You can’t make excuses.”
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
« on: January 30, 2018, 04:12:43 PM »
I love oscar for his blow by handshakes when he loses and his long drawn out conversations when he wins
This is my personal favorite (go to 7:30)
[youtube]https://youtu.be/wLzpEkOIZvk?t=7m39s[/youtube]
This is my personal favorite (go to 7:30)
[youtube]https://youtu.be/wLzpEkOIZvk?t=7m39s[/youtube]
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
« on: January 30, 2018, 04:11:00 PM »
"SHUTUP oscar"
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skqc4HGvT0o[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skqc4HGvT0o[/youtube]
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: 2017 ncaa tourney (gmafb with this regular season other games crap)
« on: March 23, 2017, 08:20:20 PM »
if the refs would let w. virgina and gonzaga play w. virginia would have a chance, but the refs are rough ridin' over the huggins
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
« on: March 12, 2017, 05:46:34 PM »
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
« on: March 12, 2017, 05:38:50 PM »
wish cbs had a camera on k st
i bet weber was crying
i bet weber was crying
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: The Official Bracketology Thread
« on: March 12, 2017, 05:10:35 PM »
oscar getting ready for excuses
"Well we only had 5 days to prepare!"
"Well we only had 5 days to prepare!"
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Anyone watching the game?
« on: February 26, 2017, 07:27:54 AM »
we have enough problems at illinois with johnny gross but i feel awful for you guys
the worst part is when weber gets fired at his press conference he will have his family standing behind him bawling. Weber will take no blame at all! he will talk about his 2 straight tourney appearances, his great graduation rate, his big 12 itle first year (nevermind the fact he shared it with kansas)
after his time at illinois he actualy BLAMED illini fans saying he was,in other words,"recruiting the players the fans wanted not that i wanted"
the worst part is when weber gets fired at his press conference he will have his family standing behind him bawling. Weber will take no blame at all! he will talk about his 2 straight tourney appearances, his great graduation rate, his big 12 itle first year (nevermind the fact he shared it with kansas)
after his time at illinois he actualy BLAMED illini fans saying he was,in other words,"recruiting the players the fans wanted not that i wanted"
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Guys, I think that just did it
« on: February 23, 2017, 07:31:48 AM »Did anyone else see oscar mumble "eff Me" after the OSU freethrow?
at what point in the game
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Just found oscar Weber on Kansas St scout forum
« on: February 12, 2017, 02:06:38 PM »
and a terrific reply
It's a shame ISTILLLIKEHARV only gave some details that makes self look bad but not oscar
For example
1)Yes self lost to bradley, bucknell and northern iowa but that was in the tournament so those teams were pretty damn decent. Should Self have lost? No. But hell Look at Duke losing to Vcu, and a few other mid majors, does that mean Coahc K s just an "ok" coach? No. (Not syaing self is as good as coach k)
meanwhile oscar, while at Illinois, lost to miami (oh), Tennessee St ,(both at home), UIC(our little brother) in the united center game, and also to utah and bradley in vegas
i could be mistaken but none of thos teams made the tourney that year, so those were HORRIBLE losses
soooo if self is an ok coach losing to those teams in the tourney, then how bad is oscar?
2)Yes it's true that Self went ELite 8, to sweet 16, to 2nd round at Illinois, But Harv left out that fact that in Self 3rd and final year at Illinois, he had just lost Frank Williams, Corey Bradford,Robert Archibald, Lucas Johnson, and Damir Krupalia. 3 of those guys were started and all averaged 17 or more ppg
Our great Deron, Dee and James Augustine class were just freshman in Self 3rd year. Roger Powell played major minutes for the first time.
Yes Weber had a better 3 years at Illinois than Self did at Kansas, but do we forget what happened after?
No offense HARV but give all teh facts not just the ones that try to make oscar look good
It's a shame ISTILLLIKEHARV only gave some details that makes self look bad but not oscar
For example
1)Yes self lost to bradley, bucknell and northern iowa but that was in the tournament so those teams were pretty damn decent. Should Self have lost? No. But hell Look at Duke losing to Vcu, and a few other mid majors, does that mean Coahc K s just an "ok" coach? No. (Not syaing self is as good as coach k)
meanwhile oscar, while at Illinois, lost to miami (oh), Tennessee St ,(both at home), UIC(our little brother) in the united center game, and also to utah and bradley in vegas
i could be mistaken but none of thos teams made the tourney that year, so those were HORRIBLE losses
soooo if self is an ok coach losing to those teams in the tourney, then how bad is oscar?
2)Yes it's true that Self went ELite 8, to sweet 16, to 2nd round at Illinois, But Harv left out that fact that in Self 3rd and final year at Illinois, he had just lost Frank Williams, Corey Bradford,Robert Archibald, Lucas Johnson, and Damir Krupalia. 3 of those guys were started and all averaged 17 or more ppg
Our great Deron, Dee and James Augustine class were just freshman in Self 3rd year. Roger Powell played major minutes for the first time.
Yes Weber had a better 3 years at Illinois than Self did at Kansas, but do we forget what happened after?
No offense HARV but give all teh facts not just the ones that try to make oscar look good
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Just found oscar Weber on Kansas St scout forum
« on: February 12, 2017, 02:05:57 PM »
Poster name is IStillLikeharv
I doubt you would get very many objective observers to agree that KSU is close in talent to KU. Sorry, but that is the honest truth. Self is a great recruiter. He is just an OK coach. He has been beaten way too often by teams with less or comparable talent in his career. Then again, recruiting is a major factor in college basketball, and with the KU aura, he can recruit with the best of them.
At UI self trended down each year -- Elite Eight, Sweet Sixteen, then Round of 32. And he did not "turn around" the program Lon Kruger left him at UI. In Self's third (and last) season his best player was Brian Cook, the Big Ten Player of the Year, who Self inherited from Kruger. All of the players Weber used to make the great 2005 run in Weber's second season were on Kruger's 2003 team, and Brian Cook besides. Recall his early phobia at KU for mid-majors starting with the letter B. Self is a top coach overall because he is a very good recruiter, particularly at KU, but his on-the-court coaching is average given the talent he has.
As I noted in both posts on Self, he is a great recruiter (particularly at KU just as Crean is a great recruiter at IU -- where you recruit matters). Recruiting is a major part of college coaching (some have said 90%, but certainly it is a big factor in anybody's book), so overall Self is a very successful coach. As a coach on the court, he is really just OK. Kruger is better, for example. Kruger doesn't recruit as well, but he does more with what he has. Hoiberg was a better court coach. Huggy Bear is a tougher call because of his unusual style, but many feel he is a top court coach. Drew is another good recruiter (and not at an elite basketball school), but he is at best an average coach on the court.
If you want to compare Weber to Self on coaching as opposed to recruiting, you can look at what each one did with the same group of players. In 2003 Self had Luther Head, Roger Powell, James Augustine, Dee Brown, and Deron Williams, PLUS Big Ten Player of the Year Brian Cook (from Kruger) and Sean Harrington (a great shooter). That team went 25-7 and lost in the Round of 32. Weber took the same players minus Cook and Harrington, and once they adapted to the motion offense, over the two-calendar-year span from Jan 31, 2004 through Jan 5, 2006 they went 66-4, including a 37-2 run to the National Title game in 2005.
In his three seasons at UI, Self went 78-24 (76.5%) finishing Elite Eight, Sweet Sixteen, and Round of 32. In this first three seasons at UI, Weber went 89-16 (84.8%) finishing Sweet Sixteen, NC Title Game, and Round of 32. If you remove the recruiting factor, Weber did significantly better than Self over a comparable span, and Self inherited some great players from Kruger (Brian Cook, Cory Bradford, Robert Archibald, Marcus Griffin, Sean Harrington, Sergio McClain, and Frank Williams). Self is a better recruiter than Weber, no doubt, especially at KU.
I doubt you would get very many objective observers to agree that KSU is close in talent to KU. Sorry, but that is the honest truth. Self is a great recruiter. He is just an OK coach. He has been beaten way too often by teams with less or comparable talent in his career. Then again, recruiting is a major factor in college basketball, and with the KU aura, he can recruit with the best of them.
At UI self trended down each year -- Elite Eight, Sweet Sixteen, then Round of 32. And he did not "turn around" the program Lon Kruger left him at UI. In Self's third (and last) season his best player was Brian Cook, the Big Ten Player of the Year, who Self inherited from Kruger. All of the players Weber used to make the great 2005 run in Weber's second season were on Kruger's 2003 team, and Brian Cook besides. Recall his early phobia at KU for mid-majors starting with the letter B. Self is a top coach overall because he is a very good recruiter, particularly at KU, but his on-the-court coaching is average given the talent he has.
As I noted in both posts on Self, he is a great recruiter (particularly at KU just as Crean is a great recruiter at IU -- where you recruit matters). Recruiting is a major part of college coaching (some have said 90%, but certainly it is a big factor in anybody's book), so overall Self is a very successful coach. As a coach on the court, he is really just OK. Kruger is better, for example. Kruger doesn't recruit as well, but he does more with what he has. Hoiberg was a better court coach. Huggy Bear is a tougher call because of his unusual style, but many feel he is a top court coach. Drew is another good recruiter (and not at an elite basketball school), but he is at best an average coach on the court.
If you want to compare Weber to Self on coaching as opposed to recruiting, you can look at what each one did with the same group of players. In 2003 Self had Luther Head, Roger Powell, James Augustine, Dee Brown, and Deron Williams, PLUS Big Ten Player of the Year Brian Cook (from Kruger) and Sean Harrington (a great shooter). That team went 25-7 and lost in the Round of 32. Weber took the same players minus Cook and Harrington, and once they adapted to the motion offense, over the two-calendar-year span from Jan 31, 2004 through Jan 5, 2006 they went 66-4, including a 37-2 run to the National Title game in 2005.
In his three seasons at UI, Self went 78-24 (76.5%) finishing Elite Eight, Sweet Sixteen, and Round of 32. In this first three seasons at UI, Weber went 89-16 (84.8%) finishing Sweet Sixteen, NC Title Game, and Round of 32. If you remove the recruiting factor, Weber did significantly better than Self over a comparable span, and Self inherited some great players from Kruger (Brian Cook, Cory Bradford, Robert Archibald, Marcus Griffin, Sean Harrington, Sergio McClain, and Frank Williams). Self is a better recruiter than Weber, no doubt, especially at KU.
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / oscar Weber owns Bill Self
« on: February 07, 2017, 07:57:19 AM »
On Dec, 13, 2003, Weber staged a kind of mock funeral, showing up for his post-game press conference in black slacks, black coat and a black tie.
"This is a funeral," Weber said, startling his audience. "I'm going to throw a funeral. It's the end of Bill Self. It's over. There's no more complaining. He's gone. No more talking about it. I'll be honest, I'm fed up with it."
While the mock funeral was weird enough, Weber got a little personal when he tried to justify his own ability to do the job. He noted that his Southern Illinois team had handily defeated Self's Tulsa squad. And he said that when SIU played Self and the Illini in 2001, the undermanned Salukis more than held their own.
"Unless he's a miracle worker, I kicked his butt in both games," Weber said.
https://twitter.com/fox4kc/status/828827327152939009
From last night
"This is a funeral," Weber said, startling his audience. "I'm going to throw a funeral. It's the end of Bill Self. It's over. There's no more complaining. He's gone. No more talking about it. I'll be honest, I'm fed up with it."
While the mock funeral was weird enough, Weber got a little personal when he tried to justify his own ability to do the job. He noted that his Southern Illinois team had handily defeated Self's Tulsa squad. And he said that when SIU played Self and the Illini in 2001, the undermanned Salukis more than held their own.
"Unless he's a miracle worker, I kicked his butt in both games," Weber said.
https://twitter.com/fox4kc/status/828827327152939009
From last night
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: ExBruces 2015-16
« on: February 03, 2017, 09:05:54 PM »jasn88cubs, bud, do you want oscar back?
I wouldnt say no right now
John Gross makes him look like John Wooden
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: ExBruces 2015-16
« on: February 03, 2017, 09:05:14 PM »
"They make you play basketball."