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Kansas State Football / Re: Wild Wildcats in 2016 NFL Draft
« on: March 04, 2024, 07:58:48 PM »
Love all these elite Cats!  :thumbsup:

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Tang still has never said anything about it publicly, right?  I hope Tang continues to not address it at all.  If he didn't publicly accuse them, he owes them nothing.

I believe this is true.  In the Athletic article Tang is quoted as "“I stand by what I said in the presser wed night” (posted above).  So Tang (nor KSU) has made any public allegations to date.  It appears ISU is getting wound up based on rumors and media articles based on rumors. . . maybe they're trying to get ahead of something?

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Tang addressing the issue in KSU/ISU postgame press conference:

https://x.com/zaccarlson/status/1750388635709636718

TJO addressing it (by reading a prepared statement) in the KU/ISU postgame press conference:

https://x.com/Cyclones_B12/status/1751377885976252866

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Iowa State response (to alleged accusations never made public) is really heating up:

https://x.com/CBSSportsCBB/status/1751307389293281415

https://x.com/IASTATEAD/status/1751330206500126910

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It's good to see TJ made it through the PAC 12 collapse without turning bitter. . .

https://x.com/TJAltimore/status/1750900112941789668

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Kansas State Football / Re: Klieman to UW?
« on: January 14, 2024, 02:40:12 PM »
Hey, they're a bigtime program with half a stadium. I'm sure they'll land on the feet.

They did have a winning season last year!  :thumbsup:

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Kansas State Football / Re: Who will be our new OC?
« on: January 04, 2024, 06:04:50 PM »
I will just say that generally speaking I've been pleased with how Coach K has managed his staff in his tenure here, and by and large I'll trust him until proven otherwise.  In the event that I stop trusting him, I trust that the AD will seek my counsel.

"By and large" always rinds me of Snyder.

 :billdance:

yes, absolutely does.  I assume the 'by and large' phrase was pointedly selected by B.E.

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Kansas State Football / Re: DJamer Giddens Appreciation Thread
« on: December 29, 2023, 05:37:31 PM »
DJamer's Pop Tarts Bowl postgame press conference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGJWa0eEbA0



Highlight for those who don't have time to enjoy the entire three minutes:

https://x.com/WildScoobster/status/1740590814093275527

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Kansas State Football / DJamer Giddens Appreciation Thread
« on: December 29, 2023, 05:37:03 PM »
DJamer Giddens = Elite KSU Cat and National Treasure





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Kansas State Football / Re: Thoughts on NC State
« on: December 28, 2023, 10:04:51 PM »
 :love:

Pop Tarts Bowl = New Years Seven Bowl   

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Kansas State Football / Re: Thoughts on NC State
« on: December 28, 2023, 07:43:05 PM »
The most unimaginative game calling I've ever seen.

If not goemawing, you haven't watched much

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Kansas State Football / Re: Thoughts on NC State
« on: December 28, 2023, 07:32:42 PM »
Giddens up the middle isn't going to work.

minus the first series, most of Giddens runs up the middle have resulted in negative yards

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Kansas State Football / Re: Thoughts on NC State
« on: December 28, 2023, 07:27:32 PM »
Why aren’t we just running down their throats?

not a lot of called QB runs for Avery

and NC State has a top 20 rushing defense

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Kansas State Football / Re: Thoughts on NC State
« on: December 28, 2023, 07:16:46 PM »
Love the double punt fakes

only loved the first one

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Kansas State Football / Re: Thoughts on NC State
« on: December 28, 2023, 05:35:46 PM »
I think NC State needs another slogan on their helmet and uniform. Maybe two more

1Pack 1Goal 12Slogans

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Kansas State Football / Re: Thoughts on NC State
« on: December 28, 2023, 05:10:00 PM »
i wouldn't blame them if they didn't, because who on earth would think a bowl game would be wet?  but i hope they did.

Keegan forgot his cleats

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Kansas State Football / Re: Thoughts on NC State
« on: December 28, 2023, 04:57:01 PM »
Welcome to the DJamer Giddens Brown Sugar Cinnamon Pop Tart Bowl   :ksu:

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we don't deserve him but i'm so glad he chose us anyway

This is very wrong; good people deserve good things!  :ksu:

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What's next for Florida State and the ACC?

It has been a year of bold talk for Florida State University. We'll find out soon if that talk dovetails into a historic legal challenge.

In February, FSU officials put the ACC on alert, with athletic director Michael Alford declaring "something has to change" for Florida State to remain a consistent national contender despite the ACC's money gap when compared to the SEC and Big Ten. In August, school president Richard McCullough said the school will "very seriously" consider leaving the league unless there were radical changes to the league's revenue distribution model.

Since the regular season ended, FSU has been issuing scathing statements by officials at every level directed at the College Football Playoff. That includes Alford calling the decision to exclude the undefeated Seminoles "unforgivable."

Florida State has now called a board meeting for Friday where sources indicate they are expected to begin the process of challenging the ACC grant of rights and, therefore, the school's long-term future in the league.

And that would set the stage for a legal standoff between FSU and the ACC, which could be one of the highest-stakes legal battles in college athletics history. There has been no known legal challenge to a grant of rights. (A grant of rights agreement gives the conference full control over a school's media rights. The ACC currently owns all FSU home game content through 2036.)

The first step would be Florida State officially deciding on a declaratory action to legally challenge the ACC grant of rights. This would trigger the exploration of formally unwinding from the ACC without actually leaving the conference.

It would do so to get a sense of what leaving could look like financially and legally. It is not as drastic as announcing an exit but would signify the university is attempting to find a path.

According to sources, Florida State officials and lawyers have gone to the ACC's office at least a half-dozen times to dissect and analyze the legal language in the league's grant of rights. They are one of many ACC programs that have done so, as copies are not permitted outside league offices.

And while the move won't come with any other schools immediately joining, others are plotting a similar sequence -- explore the legal opportunities of unwinding from the grant of rights, which would likely take months, and then eventually leave the league if that's both financially tenable and there's a safe landing spot.

The words of Florida State's leadership in 2023 and the sport's upheaval since Oklahoma and Texas began bolting the Big 12 for the SEC in summer 2021 have led to the critical upcoming crossroads. And while there won't be an immediate avalanche of programs that follow FSU, it could be the start of bad news coming for the ACC in drip-drip-drip fashion.

Whether it's in days or weeks, FSU's board of trustees is expected to begin a formal vetting and discussion of what they've found in the exploration of the grant of rights.

Here's what they will be considering, with the landscape of college sports again hanging in the balance if and when FSU's actions meet their words.

What happens next?

An actual declaration of Florida State -- or any other ACC team -- leaving the league wouldn't have to come until Aug. 15. That's the deadline for any school to withdraw to leave the league for the 2025-26 season. So the ACC as we know it will be intact for 2024-25.

In many ways, any immediate action by FSU or others to explore legally unwinding from the ACC grant of rights gives them a six-month legal runway before they'd actually have to make the decision to exit.

"Florida State isn't leaving tomorrow," said a Florida State source. "Who says they want to leave immediately? Who says they are ever going to leave?"

FSU, obviously, isn't the only program that has explored leaving. But they are expected to be first to declare they're legally challenging the grant of rights, per sources.

As FSU board chair Peter Collins told Warchant.com over the summer: The grant of rights "will not be the document that keeps us from taking action."

How long would they be alone? Clemson has been the other school most vocal about the ACC's financial shortcomings, as athletic director Graham Neff has publicly acknowledged the "magnitude" of the ACC's finances compared to other leagues.

(The ACC has the third-highest revenue distribution among major conferences, but league members are staring at eventually making $30 million less annually than the Big Ten and SEC at full contractual throttle in upcoming years.)

From there, Clemson and North Carolina are viewed as schools that could potentially follow. Neff said as recently as November that Clemson is "very active" in monitoring the realignment landscape.

"We talk with everybody, internally and externally, unapologetically, to continue to be well-positioned and well-read," Neff said in a news conference before the South Carolina game in late November.

FSU would eventually have company, as general counsels, board members, athletic officials and presidents have been chatting about this with some urgency for well over a year. But FSU appears poised to jump first.

Where would FSU go?

As of now, there are really only two potential destinations. And an invitation to the SEC or Big Ten is not certain or imminent. The only certainty -- now or down the road -- is that neither league would want a hint of legal exposure. Also, the schools in those leagues aren't going to take less money for new members to join. That means there'd have to be some type of clear discount rate for any school before the leagues get formally involved.

One issue FSU will have to overcome is the self-inflicted wounds from its own public behavior toward the ACC in recent months, especially McCullough's remarks this summer. They have made commissioners and presidents cringe, as they envision that's what FSU would be like as a league member. That's a headwind FSU will have to overcome as it eventually courts other leagues.

That said, it's naïve to think in this era of conference contraction that neither of the Power 2 leagues would want to absorb a brand like FSU in the next decade. But it remains tricky financially, as the Big Ten just jumped to 18 schools with the additions of Oregon and Washington at cut rates. (That move is instructive in that they did not receive a pro rata share from the Big Ten, which is something any potentially departing ACC schools would face.)

Any move to the SEC would receive pushback from in-state rival Florida, and it's unlikely neighboring schools like Georgia and Auburn would want to give away the financial income edge they have in the SEC to a recruiting competitor.

SEC commissioner Greg Sankey has expressed with sincerity his happiness at 16 teams, and perhaps the only way that changes in the near future for FSU is in a defensive move. Would the SEC really want a Big Ten flag planted so squarely in its backyard? But there's no sign yet that the Big Ten covets FSU in a significant way.

This could all unfold amid a distinct bear market in media for sports rights that industry sources say could make additional conference expansion unappealing to media partners. Without new TV money coming in, any new members will likely need to join at a discount rate, as Oregon and Washington did in the Big Ten.

The part that few are saying out loud about FSU is that it -- along with Clemson -- are likely not the most coveted ACC schools in the eyes of the Big Ten and SEC. Both North Carolina and Virginia represent new markets and states for both leagues. They are also contiguous states, which the SEC has always valued. It's a competitive battleground that allows one league to expand north to new markets and another to potentially go south.

While Virginia and UNC aren't in the same hemisphere as Clemson and FSU in football, they do add robust new markets and fertile recruiting grounds for two competitive leagues and commissioners who want to capture those areas.

How much would leaving cost? How would it be paid?

Eventually leaving the ACC will be a costly proposition. And FSU has already logged plenty of billable hours exploring the move.

Ultimately, there have been some breadcrumbs left that private equity money would be used to fill in any financial gaps for FSU.

The exit fee would cost FSU in the neighborhood of $120 million, but the important aspect is that amount doesn't factor in the cost of unwinding from the grant of rights. (Hence the expected exploration here soon.)

By signing the grant of rights, the ACC owns all of FSU's home game content through 2036, the length of the league's television contract with ESPN. (As it does for all schools in the league.)

Legal predictions on a ruling are difficult. Part of FSU's legal challenge will be the fact it willingly agreed to the terms of this deal eight years ago.

Even with an FSU legal victory, there'd be some type of cost to get all that content back. Or, more likely, some type of settlement to avoid a protracted legal battle. (If there's one thing we've learned over the last generation, college presidents and athletic administrators aggressively avoid depositions and court appearances.)

So where would potentially hundreds of millions in cash come from?

Florida State is well down the road in securing private equity, if needed, for any financial implications from a move. Sources told ESPN that Sixth Street Partners would be a likely partner for the Seminoles in private equity.

Former FSU quarterback Drew Weatherford, an FSU trustee, has been actively engaging other schools about private equity and its role in the future of college athletics, per sources. (He's a partner in a private equity firm.)

FSU has ruled out independence as an option. The chatter about a handful of ACC schools breaking away to start their own league has faded.

So that leaves FSU to wriggle out of a financial relationship with the ACC that it has cast as untenable. The ACC has made strides toward creating extra revenue for its programs. The additions of Stanford, Cal and SMU at discount rates provided each incumbent program in the neighborhood of an extra $2 million annually per school.

Starting in 2024-25, the ACC will begin an incentive-based structure that will reward success in football and basketball. While those moves have made an impact, they still don't appear to be an impetus for long-term harmony.

An estimate of what FSU would have earned this year from success incentives is around $6 million. Next year, with the expanded CFP, if an ACC team reached the title game, that number could be between $12 million and $20 million, depending on what CFP financials look like.

Could private equity offer FSU a way to ease the financial burden of an exit? That appears the most likely option.

Who would follow Florida State?

It's instructive to recall the three schools that voted against ACC expansion this summer were FSU, Clemson and North Carolina.

With FSU expected to formally explore options first, others in the league have spent plenty of billable hours and athletic department bandwidth doing the due diligence. But none appear as eager as FSU to go so quickly.

Reports earlier this year had pinned Clemson and Florida State in lockstep, but that doesn't appear to be how this would unfold. Clemson and North Carolina have been in close touch on this, per sources, and they'd likely observe and then follow FSU at some point. The timing of that might depend on both the legal read of what FSU's doing and a snapshot of how difficult the path looks to follow them.

UNC athletic director Bubba Cunningham was critical of FSU this summer, calling the public chatter about leaving the ACC "barking." But there's also a bottom-line reality at UNC that it needs to look out for its best long-term interests, as it knows it is the most coveted brand not named Notre Dame that's not in a Power 2 league. The Tar Heels aren't going to stick around the ACC for sentimental reasons if a clean path to an upgrade is available.

Complicating matters for UNC -- and potentially impacting timing -- is the departure of chancellor Kevin Guskiewicz for Michigan State in recent weeks.

While Neff has been Clemson-centric in his comments and generally positive about the ACC, he's been consistent in indicating that Clemson's options are open. The school has hired outside consultants and taken the obligatory trips to ACC headquarters for grant of rights exploration.

Miami certainly falls in line with the financially aggrieved in the ACC, but it doesn't appear poised for any immediate action. Virginia has done modest exploration but is not as far down the road as some of the other ACC schools. Schools like NC State and Virginia Tech have had all the discussions, but the available spots on the Power 2 dance card are clearly limited.

Any notion of an immediate demise of the ACC would be exaggerated. But it's clear the league's biggest football brands -- and biggest overall brands -- lack faith in the league having the financial fundamentals to be an incubator for championship football for the long term. And that makes the upcoming months critical for how the league will look in the future.   

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Kansas State Football / Re: Portal Kombat
« on: December 10, 2023, 10:48:46 PM »
Koby Savage to enter the portal    :surprised:
This is the first portal entry that I find dismaying.

Sounds like there's still a chance Kobe will stay at KSU  . . . apparently he'd removed the 'K-State DB' from his twitter account and was planning on announcing he was transferring, but now is reconsidering, according to Derek Young  :crossfingers:

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Kansas State Football / Re: what if collein klein is a complete badass?
« on: December 08, 2023, 07:10:25 PM »
 Collie Klein belongs at aTm

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