Obviously Ukraine is the main event, but it is worth noting the happenings in Armenia with Azerbaijani forces attacking in September and many reports of atrocities being committed.
A lot of the Ukraine stuff has centered around the first principles involved. Some have said that bloodying Putin or Russia is a fringe benefit but even most of those posters have still placed defending Ukraine from an illegal invasion and the Ukrainian people’s right to self-determination as central to their justifications.
I think to varying degrees there has been a lack of clash in the arguments or at least a lack of a shared prism through which to speak about the conflict as nic, Dax and I view the conflict through realpolitik and most of the rest are viewing it through idealistic or first principles (although I think this is shifting as anger at Russia grows and the second principle of punishing Russia and strengthening NATO/US Influence gains traction as a justification/aim)
There is already a thread to discuss all that but let’s take a look at another conflict and see how this might be interpreted.
Armenia is a small, democratic, nation that is being attacked and having territory taken by Azerbaijan, a country 3x its size, with an authoritarian government.
The rhetoric is stunningly similar to Putin from Azerbaijan
“On 13 April 2021, Azerbaijan's president Ilham Aliyev made irredentist claims over Armenia's capital Yerevan, Zangezur (Syunik), and Sevan (Gegharkunik), declaring that they are "historical lands" of Azerbaijan.[46][47] In a statement in April 2021, he said that if Armenia would not agree to provide a corridor from Nakhchivan to western Azerbaijan through Armenia's Syunik Province, then Azerbaijan would establish it through the use of force, claiming that Azerbaijani people would return to what he described as "West Zangazur"
US Hawks have long supported Azerbaijan because they hold out hope that they can use the Azeri for foment ethnic conflict in Iran’s north, Israel is playing the same game. Armenia and Azerbaijan are both former USSR members and have chosen different paths. Armenia has stayed neutral in the Ukraine conflict with Azerbaijan condemning and hoping for more US support. As per usual, this “support” is mostly sending weapons and saying good luck and then when atrocities happen as a result, not acknowledging the role the US has played.
Now I am not offering an equivalency here as the numbers of people involved are much lower and the stakes of the whole conflict don’t involve nuclear weapons or one of the biggest countries on earth, but it is worth considering why Biden keeps funding Azerbaijan when there are so many parallels to the Ukraine conflict.


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