Messages

1

Kansas State Football / Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias

« on: November 05, 2014, 09:42:58 AM »

I think you have to admit that the allegations in the article are overblown.  The one solid point it does make, however, is with respect to the case study that is Texas A&M this year. 

A&M started out barely in the top 25 and basically took South Carolina's spot around number 6 after trouncing them to open the season.  In a situation like that at the beginning of the season you have to think it was either because SC was overrated or because A&M was underrated.  Well it seems like the voters didn't even think about the former scenario (which has actually proven to be the case).  Subsequently, every SEC West team that beat A&M basically got credit for slaying a juggernaut and jumped in the polls as a result (note, by the way, that each of the SEC West teams that beat A&M are now in the Top 10).  Heck, despite Kentucky giving Miss. St. a better game than A&M, all you hear is about the strength of the teams that beat A&M, not about how weak A&M is.

Although the SEC West does get the benefit of never having to hear the word "overrated" for really any of its teams, a lot of this "bias" does come down to scheduling.  The Big 12 (and other conferences) should get with the times and put their crap OOC games later in the season.

And neither Texas A&M nor South Carolina are ranked right now. Amazing, isn't it? The more data you get, the better the rankings are! Oklahoma State was in the top 15 at one point this season, mainly on the strength of playing Florida State close. Is that Big 12 bias at work? Or once OKSt lost a few games and we saw NC State, Louisville, Clemson, and Notre Dame also play Florida State down to the wire were people just able to make better judgments about the strength of Oklahoma State?

2

Kansas State Football / Re: Great article on SEC/ESPN bias

« on: October 29, 2014, 02:01:11 PM »

it completely ignores the abundance of positive nonconference results.

it completely ignores the computers which favor the SEC even more than the committee.

if the ap voters are biased, and the coaches are biased, and the committee is biased, and the computers are biased... maybe it just happens to be reality?

it isn't that the SEC is leaps and bounds better than every other conference, but the quality of teams and the depth is unmatched. the big 12 is pretty deep this season, but the SEC proved pretty handily that the SEC is better.

but yeah, great article, lol. keep the head in the sand.

3

Kansas State Football / Re: SEC master joke thread

« on: October 28, 2014, 11:43:03 AM »

What did Jack Cantele do the day after the auburn game?

Tried to hang himself but he couldn't kick the chair out from under him.

4

Kansas State Football / Re: RANKINGS...

« on: October 28, 2014, 11:41:37 AM »

being second fiddle and an afterthought in your home state must suck sak

you mean like kansas state? when people think of athletics programs in kansas, i assure you they don't think of kansas state football first.

as for auburn, it softens the blow being second fiddle seeing as how we are reigning SEC champions.

5

Kansas State Football / Re: RANKINGS...

« on: October 28, 2014, 11:40:21 AM »

Hey sak, how about you just win your conference and quit being butt hurt.

lol at holding teams in harder conferences to a higher standard.

6

Kansas State Football / Re: RANKINGS...

« on: October 28, 2014, 01:07:27 AM »

every power conf should have their champ represented in a form of playoffs.  As long as that is an odd number, the top two should be represented.

All of this is IMO, of course.

so hypothetically speaking if the SEC champion went 8-4, including a 1-3 mark in nonconference play with losses to a couple bad teams in power conferences and a head to head loss against an 11-1 power 5 runner up, you think the SEC champion should get the nod over the 11-1 team? evne if the rest of the SEC also had numerous abysmal losses to FCS teams and poor non-power 5 teams?

7

Kansas State Football / Re: RANKINGS...

« on: October 28, 2014, 01:02:54 AM »

I think a 3 or 4 loss big 12 champ should get in over a 2 loss auburn

if that 3 loss big 12 team lost all their games to top 10 teams on the road who were in playoff contention and that big 12 champ also went on the road and beat auburn in their own stadium, and the big 12 proved they were head and shoulders the best conference in the country, i would agree with you.

you suck at this.

8

Kansas State Football / Re: SEC master joke thread

« on: October 28, 2014, 12:59:33 AM »

Not really a joke, but just a factoid.

What happens to Big 12 title contenders when they face an SEC team? They lose.

Am I doing it right?

9

Kansas State Football / Re: RANKINGS...

« on: October 27, 2014, 02:40:51 PM »

2 loss teams shouldn't get in if a team they lost to is in.

why? because losing to a team in the top 4 automatically means you can't be one of the 4 best teams in the country?

so hypothetically speaking if a team plays the most brutal schedule in the history of the sport and go 2-2 against the top 8, they shouldn't get in, just because one of the teams they lost to is in? what about if they've beaten 1 or even 2 of the other 3 supposedly "in" teams.

10

Kansas State Football / Re: Media hates us, we get no respect, keep the chip on our shoulder thread

« on: October 27, 2014, 02:38:23 PM »

If you have 2 losses and one of them is to a team that is definitely IN then you are out.  No rematches.

so you are saying it is better to lose to teams outside the top 4 than inside the top 4?

LOL, okay.

it's too bad weight is given to conference champions when conferences can vary so much in strength. it should be the 4 best teams. if all 4 of them are from the pacific northwest, then so be it. if all 4 happen to be from alabama and mississippi, then so be it. if all 4 are from the upper midwest, then so be it.

11

Kansas State Football / Re: Media hates us, we get no respect, keep the chip on our shoulder thread

« on: October 27, 2014, 02:26:16 PM »

Auburn better hope we get left out.  We aren't missing fg's these days.

and auburn isn't dropping long touchdown passes?

do you think auburn would have taken a knee on the 20 yard line as time expired if they had been trailing?

12

Kansas State Football / Re: RANKINGS...

« on: October 27, 2014, 02:24:39 PM »

sak really bringin the "law of transitive property of victory" smack and nobody can do anything about it.  FACTS, DORKS!

what part of auburn beating kansas state on your own field involves the transitive property? if kstate and west virginia had beaten auburn and alabama respectively, and baylor had done something... ANYTHING... of note in nonconference play, it would be the big 12 with a logjam of teams in the top 10 instead of the SEC West.

13

Kansas State Football / Re: Media hates us, we get no respect, keep the chip on our shoulder thread

« on: October 27, 2014, 02:22:57 PM »

wrong thread I think 'tater

i'm assuming in that picture that it means we won out and finished unbeaten in the big 12 winning @OU, @TCU, @WVU, and @BU. if that happens and we are the second OUT of the playoff, i will burn everything down.

no that picture is how things stand if the season were to end today in the opinion of Brad Edwards.

For what it is worth, if Auburn, Mississippi State, and Florida State all win out, Kansas State vs. Oregon will be an interesting debate for the last spot (if they were to both win out as well). The odds of all those teams winning out is almost zero, but still...

14

Kansas State Football / Re: Media hates us, we get no respect, keep the chip on our shoulder thread

« on: October 27, 2014, 11:57:58 AM »

can you guys imagine being the sak guy, what a treat, would love to go on the job search journey with this guy.  would not surprise me if he was applying for VP jobs and stuff, hell, president and CEO applications have already gone out im sure.  the world is just his playground, center of the universe.

have any big 12 teams beaten any of the top 5 SEC teams (auburn, alabama, georgia, ole miss, mississippi state)?
i know a couple of the upper tier big 12 teams have tried and failed.

seriously, care to explain why it's such an unfathomable thought? or would you just like to continue sticking your head in the sand?

the massey ratings which is a composite of close to 100 rankings have 5 SEC teams ranked higher than the highest ranked Big 12 team (TCU at #8) and 6 ahead of Kansas State (who is #11)

Oklahoma smoked Alabama in a bowl game last year. OU is a little bit better than they were last season and Alabama is quite a bit worse.

oklahoma is better than they were last year? based on what? alabama is worse? based on what?

and just for what its worth (and i hate alabama and loved watching them lose to oklahoma) but alabama had the ball in the last 2 minutes of the game with a chance to tie or take the lead. they outgained oklahoma. so if oklahoma "smoked" alabama... what did auburn do to kansas state this season? neuter them? obliterate them?

outgained is such a rough ridin' simpleton stat

i don't disagree, but it's pretty rare for a team outgain their opponent and "get smoked". it can happen, but it typically takes an unusual set of circumstances given turnovers, special teams, 3rd down play, and/or penalties to get it to happen.

15

Kansas State Football / Re: ChiMERA Week 9

« on: October 27, 2014, 11:55:05 AM »

Top 5 teams all from SEC....sounds about right.

people complain about the human bias for the SEC all the time.

it's comical that just about every computer ranking that are simply fed the data spit out that the SEC is, if anything, underrated.

16

Kansas State Football / Re: RANKINGS...

« on: October 27, 2014, 11:53:09 AM »

I would trade our games at Baylor, West Virginia and TCU for games at Alabama, Ole Miss, and Georgia in a heart beat.

you do realize alabama beat west virginia, right?

You're missing the point

what was the point? i thought it was that Baylor/West Virginia/TCU were tougher road games than Alabama/Ole Miss/Georgia.

17

Kansas State Football / Re: Media hates us, we get no respect, keep the chip on our shoulder thread

« on: October 27, 2014, 11:52:11 AM »

can you guys imagine being the sak guy, what a treat, would love to go on the job search journey with this guy.  would not surprise me if he was applying for VP jobs and stuff, hell, president and CEO applications have already gone out im sure.  the world is just his playground, center of the universe.

have any big 12 teams beaten any of the top 5 SEC teams (auburn, alabama, georgia, ole miss, mississippi state)?
i know a couple of the upper tier big 12 teams have tried and failed.

seriously, care to explain why it's such an unfathomable thought? or would you just like to continue sticking your head in the sand?

the massey ratings which is a composite of close to 100 rankings have 5 SEC teams ranked higher than the highest ranked Big 12 team (TCU at #8) and 6 ahead of Kansas State (who is #11)

Oklahoma smoked Alabama in a bowl game last year. OU is a little bit better than they were last season and Alabama is quite a bit worse.

oklahoma is better than they were last year? based on what? alabama is worse? based on what?

and just for what its worth (and i hate alabama and loved watching them lose to oklahoma) but alabama had the ball in the last 2 minutes of the game with a chance to tie or take the lead. they outgained oklahoma. so if oklahoma "smoked" alabama... what did auburn do to kansas state this season? neuter them? obliterate them?

18

Kansas State Football / Re: RANKINGS...

« on: October 27, 2014, 11:49:26 AM »

I would trade our games at Baylor, West Virginia and TCU for games at Alabama, Ole Miss, and Georgia in a heart beat.

you do realize alabama beat west virginia, right?

19

Kansas State Football / Re: Media hates us, we get no respect, keep the chip on our shoulder thread

« on: October 27, 2014, 05:14:18 AM »

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/10/26/7072555/bowl-projections-college-football-playoff-2014

lol @ thinking we're going to finish 4th while OU finishes 2nd (and Baylor 5th?). Logic.

it uses some pretty dumb assumptions... namely "the sec champion will be no worse than 2nd; that's just the way it is"

sorry, but if mississippi state goes 12-0 and then loses a 1 point game to georgia who has losses to say... south carolina, auburn, and georgia tech... then georgia is not going to be that high.

and why on earth is michigan state in there? shouldn't we wait for them to beat a 2nd team in the top 70 before we call them playoff bound?

20

Kansas State Football / Re: RANKINGS...

« on: October 27, 2014, 03:08:30 AM »

If Auburn wins out they should definitely be in the playoff (although losing by two scores, irregardlessly of who it was against is never a good look).

If they drop another game, then sorry but they're out (assuming there are 4 one loss/undefeated P5 teams).

this is such dumb logic if we are seeking out the 4 best teams for the playoff.

if ohio state or michigan state wins out and auburn goes 4-1 down the stretch, what would either of those big 10 teams done to make anyone think they are a better team than auburn?

look at michigan state... we are through week 9 and they have 1 win over a top 70 team.
ohio state has no wins over the top 30 but have lost at home to a team outside of the top 50.

OK, so aside from total losses, what arbitrary metric should determine the rankings?  Total number of wins against Massey top 70 teams?  Total wins against top 20 teams?  If the latter, then Alabama (who has zero) should be ranked somewhere around "receiving votes."

My point is, I agree that Auburn's schedule is far harder than Michigan State's, and harder than tOSU's to an even higher degree, but number of losses do and should matter.

of course number of losses matter, but i'd try and think what would their records be if their schedules were flipped. i'm pretty sure auburn would be undefeated with ohio state's schedule... after all, the best team they have faced so far is probably maryland... and i can safely say kansas state, mississippi state, and lsu are all tougher than that... and could make a pretty good case for south carolina and arkansas also being tougher than maryland.

ohio state on the other hand? what have they done to make me think they could beat any good team on auburn's schedule?

when your average conference opponent is ranked about 70th and auburn's average conference opponent is ranked inside around 20.

it's not like auburn's schedule is a little tougher than a big 10 schedule. they are miles apart. ohio state's schedule is honestly a lot closer to that of a nonAQ team than it is to Auburn's... and that's something really just based in dogma that the big 10 must be tougher than X, Y, or Z when the reality is the numbers don't bear it out. for instance, virtually every computer ranking shows louisiana tech being a better team than the majority of the big 10. people might poo poo that win, and i'm not saying it is impressive... but the fact remains that when fed the set of data we have so far on this season, they are better than michigan, illinois, purdue, northwestern, indiana...

21

Kansas State Football / Re: RANKINGS...

« on: October 27, 2014, 01:43:57 AM »

obviously you didn't see the TCU vs Tech game

also who's sock is this?  just incredible work 

Did I say TCU wasn't a good team? Did I say Arkansas is better than TCU?

If anything, that just illustrates my point. Arkansas is the worst team in the SEC West and they still manhandled Texas Tech. TCU might be the best team in the Big 12.

22

Kansas State Football / Re: RANKINGS...

« on: October 27, 2014, 01:42:09 AM »

If Auburn wins out they should definitely be in the playoff (although losing by two scores, irregardlessly of who it was against is never a good look).

If they drop another game, then sorry but they're out (assuming there are 4 one loss/undefeated P5 teams).

this is such dumb logic if we are seeking out the 4 best teams for the playoff.

if ohio state or michigan state wins out and auburn goes 4-1 down the stretch, what would either of those big 10 teams done to make anyone think they are a better team than auburn?

look at michigan state... we are through week 9 and they have 1 win over a top 70 team.
ohio state has no wins over the top 30 but have lost at home to a team outside of the top 50.

23

Kansas State Football / Re: Media hates us, we get no respect, keep the chip on our shoulder thread

« on: October 27, 2014, 01:38:49 AM »

can you guys imagine being the sak guy, what a treat, would love to go on the job search journey with this guy.  would not surprise me if he was applying for VP jobs and stuff, hell, president and CEO applications have already gone out im sure.  the world is just his playground, center of the universe.

have any big 12 teams beaten any of the top 5 SEC teams (auburn, alabama, georgia, ole miss, mississippi state)?
i know a couple of the upper tier big 12 teams have tried and failed.

seriously, care to explain why it's such an unfathomable thought? or would you just like to continue sticking your head in the sand?

the massey ratings which is a composite of close to 100 rankings have 5 SEC teams ranked higher than the highest ranked Big 12 team (TCU at #8) and 6 ahead of Kansas State (who is #11)

24

Kansas State Football / Re: RANKINGS...

« on: October 27, 2014, 01:28:29 AM »

did i say your road wins would mean nothing?

no, but i'd say 5 road games over top 11 teams would trump anything kansas state could do with their schedule... especially given the fact that auburn, you know... beat kansas state in their own building?

also, one of your bigger road games is against west virginia, a team beaten by a team on auburn's schedule.

i also think it is comical you mention the game before the tide.

auburn's november schedule includes 3 road games against top 10 teams. when many teams were opening up against a nobody, we opened up against arkansas, a team that laid waste to texas tech.

you can slice it however you want, but the reality is that while people whine about this great SEC bias, mathematical formulas and computers tell a very different story... a story that the SEC may actually be UNDERRATED compared to how the nation views them. take LSU for example... people were ready to dismiss them but the fact is they have a win over a top 10 team and their only 2 losses are to two teams that most computers agree are 2 of the 5 best if not #1 and #2 teams.

25

Kansas State Football / Re: RANKINGS...

« on: October 27, 2014, 01:06:48 AM »

It's comical that uga and Michigan state are ranked higher than we are.

michigan state certainly. the fact they are as high as #5 is mindblowing. they have one win over a top 75 team and were beaten soundly by the only team that has any chance of reaching the playoff.

i think you could make an argument for georgia though. clemson is quietly winning, and georgia throttled them. i know people will say that loss to south carolina is terrible, but south carolina really isn't that bad. they have 2 wins over ranked teams and played auburn close.

the fact that oklahoma tripped against tcu before ya'll played them probably hurts you a little now, but by that same token will give you a bigger boost if you beat them on the road.

sak, what team are you a fan of, my man? 

auburn

Oh, I forgot we'd played your team.   Do you think your team will make it to the CFP?

my gut says no. still have 3 road games left against top 10 opponents. hard to see auburn winning all 3 of them, and though i think auburn would deserve consideration even with 2 losses given their schedule, they would need a lot of help.

but if they win out, even if they don't win their division in the SEC, they'll be in the playoff.

god i just wish i could be a fly on the wall for this kind of logic, flying unicorns on rainbows and stuff, man, must just be a rush

auburn has 5 road games against teams currently ranked in the top 11. yes, if they went 3-2 in those 5 games, and 7-0 in their other games, then i think they would deserve consideration over teams like michigan state who, somehow, will probably get into the playoff without a win over a legit top 15 opponent.

even a team like kansas state that plays a pretty good slate of teams would not have much of an argument over a 2 loss auburn imo.