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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: The last time oscar was in his first year with a new team

« on: March 13, 2013, 09:48:10 PM »

do you really mean to tell me you're claiming townsend doesn't have a shady past and hasn't been paying players for years?

I'm not claiming that.  I was referring to your claim he paid Sherron, no proof of that happening.  Before you ask, yes I have read your long post about the history of bill Self's cheating and in there there is no proof other than your speculation about Sherron.

ya i guess you're right.  i don't have a picture of the scumbag handing sherron a bag of cash.

it makes complete sense that when bill self was looking for an assistant it was townsend's impeccable employment history that made him so attractive.

All I am saying is that all of this with Sherron is purely speculative.  Nothing wrong with having suspicions, but to try and pass them off as fact when there is no evidence is pretty petty and disingenuous in my mind.

the oscar/sherron/aau crap is speculative.  the idea that oscar was unable to recruit local talent is wrong. in 2011 he signed a class ranked 11th nationally, including 4 top 100's, all from the chicago area.

there's no disputing kurt townsend's history and there's nothing petty or disingenuous about acknowledging it.

actually it's well known and documented and you just proved my point: weber didn't have a decent class with players from chicago until 2011.  he still lost all the best players pretty much during his time there.

There were and still are coaches that will not recruit Chicago.  There are just way too many handlers, etc. up there.  The word was that Shaka Smart and others did not want to come to Illinois because of the Chicago issue.  Then there are some who have no problem with diving into the Chicago scene. 

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: The last time oscar was in his first year with a new team

« on: March 13, 2013, 01:56:22 PM »

So Weber had no faults at Illinois? He was just the unfortunate victim of some hideous circumstances that in no way are related to any shortcomings as a coach?  Is that what you are saying?

There were several things that happened.  But most of it boils down to a portion of the fan base that wanted 2005 every year.  The social media affected the teams.  Some of the e-mails, texts, twitters, got really bad for them.  The local beat writer did his share to build the hype and that aided the ones that wanted new coaches.    Chester's junior year some hated him so bad they boo'd him at games.  If you ever wonder what happened talk to him.  He was there.

Last years team, including coaches were under a terrific pressure and had been for a couple of years.  It finally got to them.  The AD was changed and he first fired the football coach the day after the last game.  That loaded the pressure on BBall team and coaches big time.  The Nebraska game was the breaking point.  They all knew the coaches were gone, and the team felt it was their fault.  Sure enough the day after the last game, Coach Weber was let go.  There were and still are many Illini fans that believe in Coach Weber and follow him. 

There are some Illini fans that will fill you with some straight up hate for both fball and bball coaches.  They are over the top and have a tendency to go overboard.

The Illini AD had to go through several coaches before he was able to hire the current coach.  The season has had some ups and some downs. 

This is the comment that Coach Weber said in one of the last articles and it says it all:

"He was expected to recruit a certain kind of player there, and usually from Chicago. Weber — openly self-analytical — says he got away from his own coaching beliefs. He means that both in things like discipline and substitution patterns, and with bigger-picture stuff like putting together recruiting classes."

You got to know that if Deron Williams (Who has always said that if it was not for Coach Weber he would not be the player he is. and calls Weber regularly to talk about basketball.) and Myers Leonard believe in Coach Weber, you should too.  Even Self has said that Weber did things for the Illini 2005 team that he could not have.  That Webers motion was made for that team. 

There will be a lot to come and KSU is going to be in good hands

Illini fan

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: The last time oscar was in his first year with a new team

« on: March 12, 2013, 09:59:02 PM »

2004 Illini leading scorers                     2005 Leading Scorers

Deron Williams                                   Luther Head
Dee Brown                                        Dee Brown
Roger Powell Jr.                                  Deron Williams
Luther Head                                      Roger Powell Jr.
James Augustine                                James Augustine


oscar is doing well with Frank's players but next year some of them won't be there..........

Hope I am wrong because winning Big 12 Championships is fun.

Interesting.  Which of our 2013 players do you see as equvalent to the 2004 Illini?  (Since your logic is Weber can only win with players at the level of the 2004 Illini n' stuff.)

Rod = Deron Williams?
Angel = Dee Brown?
Southwell = Roger Powell?
Spradling = Luther Head?
Gipson = James Augustine?

Did I get it right?

Well, we got 4 of the 5 coming back so,...   

P.S.  Let me be the first (second after clams) to congratulate Rod on being the #3 overall pick in the upcoming draft!

Longtime Illini fan here and you got it pretty close.  I will never forget that 2005 run and especially those players.  Everyone of them was a gym rat.  They could always be found together day or night.  They were the most unselfish team I had ever seen.  They were a thing of beauty on the floor.

Your team has alot of the traits that the 2005 team did.  I really enjoyed watching them.  It was obvious they and the coaching staff were having fun.  Same as the Illini 2005 team.  I know that the coaches have to have sensed the same traits in the KSU players.

And you got you one hardnosed basketball player turned coach in Chester.  He was one of my favorite players. 

I am hoping you guys pick up the tourney championship and go far in the NCAA tourney.  Alot of us will be following when we can get you on tv. 

Congratulations.