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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Assistant Coach Rumor Thread

« on: May 09, 2012, 06:27:35 PM »

Hey PP,

I don't want any white players on our team. They suck. I don't want them. You say we need a white coach to relate to players? What the eff does that even mean? I can only assume you believe only white players can relate to white coaches. You think we need more white players? Why?

Arguing that successful programs have at least one white coach? There is no rough ridin' correlation. It's a bullshit argument to hide behind and in no way makes you less

All right, let's just get everything out in the open. But first let me answer your questions. Not all white athletes suck, not all black athletes are good....but the majority of these HM teams are made up of some pretty bad ass black athletes who tend to be recruited by and trust other black men they can relate to....hence the reason HM programs like to have bad ass black recruiters on their staff. Why would it be any different for a white athlete? Ask any HM coach....any LM or JC coach for that matter. Further, no, I did not say we need more white players. Great players (black, white, asian, hispanic and everything in between...just great players). Do you not think that it was a coincidence that we have had more hispanic players on our team these last five years than in past history because they were recruited by a coach that they could relate to at their home away from home (k-State)?

Obviously, you all want to take what I've stated and use it spew your own agendas and call me a racist and a bigot...when in truth you don't know anything about me (which isn't fair.) So here is the truth. The reason I know these things to be a reality in coaching is because I'm married to a coach (in a lower capacity than a HM school like K-State...and he is black...and he will tell you the same things I have just said.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Assistant Coach Rumor Thread

« on: May 09, 2012, 04:42:10 PM »

Ok. I can see that I've upset a number of you. It was not my intention to start a big convo about race...in such a negative way. I didn't mean to imply that I agree with the way things are in coaching, only to point out my guess as to who the 3rd assistant would be on this staff based on the trend across the country in HM basketball programs. That obviously touched a nerve. I can assure you that I am not a racist and the fact that it is still such a sensitive subject that we can not even talk about this reality like adults shows that indeed, we have not moved past it.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Assistant Coach Rumor Thread

« on: May 09, 2012, 04:01:53 PM »

Just when I get to thinking that goEMAW is a bastion of progressive thought on the topic of race, then PPowercat1 comes along. This is all just...sad...really...

Obviously it's the coaching world that is lacking progressive thought...not me. You're going to blast me for pointing out a reality? That's fine. But atleast admit to yourself that this IS the reality within these programs. Again "I'm NOT saying that this is how coaching and recruiting "should" be and I certainly did not say that is how I "want" it to be. I was simply pointing out the way it IS."

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Assistant Coach Rumor Thread

« on: May 09, 2012, 03:55:39 PM »

why are you so racist?

How is that racist? You obviously didn't read my previous post...."I'm NOT saying that this is how coaching and recruiting "should" be and I certainly did not say that is how I "want" it to be. I was simply pointing out the way it IS."

Again, name 5 High Major schools where this is the case and I'll eat my words.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Assistant Coach Rumor Thread

« on: May 09, 2012, 03:41:32 PM »

kstate ties. darren kent. rumor.

He too is going to S.C.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Assistant Coach Rumor Thread

« on: May 09, 2012, 02:17:18 PM »

I can take it...if that's what makes you feel better.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Assistant Coach Rumor Thread

« on: May 09, 2012, 02:14:03 PM »

Having a family member in the business

PPowercat0?

PPowercat2.0

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Assistant Coach Rumor Thread

« on: May 09, 2012, 01:59:26 PM »

Well, considering the "hooded" personal message I just received, atleast one of you misinterpreted what I was trying to say. I'm NOT saying that this is how coaching and recruiting "should" be and I certainly did not say that is how I "want" it to be. I was simply pointing out the way it IS. Having a family member in the business, it is a reality in the way recruiting these kids works. So, please, no more "hoods" in my inbox.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Assistant Coach Rumor Thread

« on: May 09, 2012, 01:47:44 PM »

What is wrong with you PPowercat1?

Being realistic. If you knew anything about recruiting.....and especially if you want to recruit in states like KS (where the talent is limited but maybe you want to bring in a K-state kids, who do you have on the staff to relate to them?? BW alone? A 50 something white guy? On the surface that may sound harsh but name 5 HM programs out there that have all black assistants...do you really think that's a coincidence?

Off the top of my head: Georgetown.

NOPE

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Assistant Coach Rumor Thread

« on: May 09, 2012, 01:43:35 PM »

What is wrong with you PPowercat1?

Being realistic. If you knew anything about recruiting.....and especially if you want to recruit in states like KS (where the talent is limited but maybe you want to bring in a K-state kids, who do you have on the staff to relate to them?? BW alone? A 50 something white guy? On the surface that may sound harsh but name 5 HM programs out there that have all black assistants...do you really think that's a coincidence?

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Assistant Coach Rumor Thread

« on: May 09, 2012, 01:30:24 PM »

Kidding about what?

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Assistant Coach Rumor Thread

« on: May 09, 2012, 01:21:19 PM »

So, I take it we are so dried up on coaching leads and rumors that we've resorted to all this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^? Anybody? Anything? News on Assistant #3?

Whoever it is, he's been allowed to recruit without restrictions for a LONG time.

Probably not far from the truth...I will say this though...my money is not on an Anthony Beane or oscar Shingler. I think he'll go after a young white guy. He's not going to want to alienate the athletic white kids that he goes after. We make this argument that we need these recruiters to be out there "relating" to these athletes. He already has two strong black recruiters....just a thought.

Korn is young, extremely white, and even a ginger.  He has that part of the spectrum locked up.

As far as I know Korn is just the DOBO, not an assistant therefore not allowed to recruit or build substantial relationships with these athletes until they've already started at K-State....not gonna help obtain these kids on the recruiting trail.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Assistant Coach Rumor Thread

« on: May 09, 2012, 01:15:21 PM »

So, I take it we are so dried up on coaching leads and rumors that we've resorted to all this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^? Anybody? Anything? News on Assistant #3?

Whoever it is, he's been allowed to recruit without restrictions for a LONG time.

Probably not far from the truth...I will say this though...my money is not on an Anthony Beane or oscar Shingler. I think he'll go after a young white guy. He's not going to want to alienate the athletic white kids that he goes after. We make this argument that we need these recruiters to be out there "relating" to these athletes. He already has two strong black recruiters....just a thought.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Assistant Coach Rumor Thread

« on: May 09, 2012, 12:57:09 PM »

So, I take it we are so dried up on coaching leads and rumors that we've resorted to all this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^? Anybody? Anything? News on Assistant #3?

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Assistant Coach Rumor Thread

« on: May 05, 2012, 06:13:18 AM »

In fairness, at this point oscar Weber has probably tried to hire a number of talented and qualified assistants and is now looking at the bottom of his list.  Nobody who has a future will go anywhere near him.  That goes for coaches and players as well.

Just out of curiosity...and a little queasiness and terror...Why? Insight please.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Assistant Coach Rumor Thread

« on: May 04, 2012, 07:27:04 AM »

Certainly he can pull a page from Frank's playbook and find a fired DOBO, or a USBL legend out there.

you would think....but he's failed at it so far

His daughter's wedding is this weekend. I doubt we'll hear anything until next week. I read somewhere (don't remember where) that he has two interviews scheduled next week. This search has been relatively quiet.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Assistant Coach Rumor Thread

« on: May 02, 2012, 06:30:38 PM »

 

Success is a fragile thing, rick.

So is loyalty apparently....

  A little dramatic don't you think?

Loyalty to who?  KSU, Currie, Frank, Fans?  Who?  Who is failing who here?

My statement wasn't an attack on you. It was a general observations that fan loyalty is also fragile...so many eager to step off the ledge before we've even played a season with the new staff. That's all.

Forget ledges, we just got rough ridin' thrown out of an airplane without a parachute.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Assistant Coach Rumor Thread

« on: May 02, 2012, 04:16:26 PM »

Success is a fragile thing, rick.

So is loyalty apparently....

Loyalty to who?  KSU, Currie, Frank, Fans?  Who?  Who is failing who here?

My statement wasn't an attack on you. It was a general observations that fan loyalty is also fragile...so many eager to step off the ledge before we've even played a season with the new staff. That's all.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Assistant Coach Rumor Thread

« on: May 02, 2012, 03:43:39 PM »

Success is a fragile thing, rick.

So is loyalty apparently....

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Assistant Coach Rumor Thread

« on: May 02, 2012, 11:55:28 AM »

Ok, so to get back on topic. Heard from a pretty reliable source that Price is out as DOBO and rumored Video Coordinator Brad Korn is in. So that leaves 3rd Assistant and VC position open. We're getting somewhere people!!

The thing with this coaching search is that exactly the opposite of everything I want to occur has actually occurred.

Hopefully oscar is better at winning basketball games.

Just curious...what did you want to happen?

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Assistant Coach Rumor Thread

« on: May 02, 2012, 07:59:20 AM »

Ok, so to get back on topic. Heard from a pretty reliable source that Price is out as DOBO and rumored Video Coordinator Brad Korn is in. So that leaves 3rd Assistant and VC position open. We're getting somewhere people!!

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Anthony Beane

« on: May 01, 2012, 08:38:24 AM »

Eff it, let's do it.  If we're going to assemble a full on reject Missouri Valley staff, let's go all in.

 

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Anthony Beane

« on: May 01, 2012, 08:28:59 AM »

A.  Didn't we already do this thread?

B.  Better than price.

C.  Skeptical.

"A. Didn't we already do this thread?" I apologize if so...new to the board.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Anthony Beane

« on: May 01, 2012, 07:14:38 AM »

Agreed. The search for this third spot has been so quiet. It could really be anyone at this point. Wondering if Price is even still a possibility at this point even with the rumors of him being offered DOBO. Maybe that's the reason he hasn't come out and accepted...waiting for all 3rd assnt candidates to fall through...

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Anthony Beane

« on: May 01, 2012, 06:59:58 AM »

Doesn't look like Anthony Beane is in the running to take over at ISU...3rd assistant here maybe??

http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/basketball/men/several-coaching-candidates-could-draw-isu-ad-s-interest/article_f08a91e4-900e-11e1-89b7-001a4bcf887a.html