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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Weber/Self relationship

« on: April 21, 2012, 10:01:41 AM »

I heard about the funeral oscar had, but I just assumed that was a goofy stunt.

It was kind of an odd thing to do, but for all intents and purposes, it worked. From that point forward, the 2004 team played great basketball and set the table for 2005. If it was just that, I don't think it'd be an issue.

The problem is, he's put his insecurity about Self on display several other times, whether it's talking about how he gave him the business when he was at SIU or that his staff had do teach the players fundamentals that his predecessors omitted or how they had to be "real" coaches because the last staff was "buddies." It was awkward and uncalled for. I'm sure Self noticed and hasn't forgotten it.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: If we land Michael Orris, we can tell Nebraska and Drake to SUCK IT!

« on: April 16, 2012, 11:01:05 PM »

I understand that we're stuck with this piece of crap Weber for at least a few years, but I'm starting to get pissed off too.  Who the hell fires their coach and then follows him to his next school just to continue running him into the ground?  Total garbage fans, that's who.

You don't see us on Pepperdine or Oklahoma or Oregon boards.  Illinois is garbage.  I want to kick their ass right now. 

Dear Illini,
The 2 day grace period you were given to expound on what a shitty hire our AD made is over.  We got the message.  Now get the eff out.
Sincerely,
Ira Hayes

But seriously, we'll leave if you guys want. This board is pretty f'ing hilarious, though.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: The effect of oscar's title game

« on: April 10, 2012, 10:35:22 PM »

Did it create expectations at Illinois that were unrealistic?

If we expected him to return to the Final Four/title game repeatedly, then this would have more credence. But we didn't. We just expected him to not miss the tournament repeatedly. He couldn't exceed those expectations.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Jerrance Howard: Who will win this recruiting battle?

« on: April 10, 2012, 10:32:21 PM »

Florida

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: A lot has been made about the chicken nuggets and mowing his own lawn

« on: April 09, 2012, 02:04:29 PM »

Why tired of us? We can appreciate that you'll give oscar a chance, but don't let anyone fool you -- including Weber -- on how and why he was let go. The lack of a vote of confidence from Mike Thomas was not the final straw. The fact that Weber is trying to essentially rewrite the account of his history, and that people are willing to buy it because he's a nice guy, is disingenuous at best, and it especially makes Illinois fans appear ungrateful and wishy-washy. In reality, Weber's last six seasons fell short of expectations set by the Lou Henson-Lon Kruger-Bill Self years. It got to the point where major donors to the program were willing to pony up their own dollars to take care of Weber's buyout so we could go out and get whoever we needed.

Maybe Weber can build up something for KStaters to be proud of like he built up Southern Illinois. His coaching ability is respected by many. It's his lack of a thick skin and his admitted failure to build toughness in his players that derailed the Illinois program and left it where it is today, rebuilding with a new coach and a whole lot of raw talent that, for the most part, doesn't know how to run an offense. If Weber can repair those mistakes and get back to what made him successful at SIU, then KSU will be better off for it.

dude, know what you are. you're illinois. you're not appreciably better than northwestern in football, and your hoops isn't - and never has been - a national powerhouse. your best year came with weber at the helm. now he's gone. deal with it.

your new coach wouldn't have been hired if he didn't win a pair of games in the tournament. he will fail, and fail miserably, and you weird illinois fans with your stupid, highly overrated orange crush student section will be sobbing for weber and wishing he'd come back to champaign to eat your chicken nuggets and mow your lawns and pick up your dry cleaning.

so please, take your former racist mascot chief illinigook, your disloyal athletic director, your ugly fans and your papa del's pizza and go away. i think jim croce or john grossi or jim crocket or (whoever) is about to reel in a big 2-star forward to add to his top 200 recruiting class which will combine with your weak-minded, undisciplined loser players.

have fun in the CBI.

What's the best, most foolproof way that I can save this so it's readily available in 2015-16?

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: A lot has been made about the chicken nuggets and mowing his own lawn

« on: April 09, 2012, 10:01:38 AM »

Your AD says he will evaluate your performance at the end of the season.

How does this equate to your season going into the shitter?  WTF?

This is also after having lost 5 of 6 already.  With three of those losses coming to teams that ended up in the bottom half of the league.

But it wasn't Weber's fault. 

It's pretty infuriating that he's running to all his coachbuddies to spread lies about how our AD somehow cheated him.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Interesting perspective from a converted Illinois fan

« on: April 05, 2012, 01:28:16 PM »

More stuff with oscar from Manbeck: http://www.themercury.com/k-statesports/article.aspx?articleId=c44304205ce740928f31f7bcdb9c6dc6

See, why is he saying that crap? "I wasn't going to come if half the team was leaving or something." I understand thinking that, because hell, who wouldn't, but come on, man.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: eff it, I'm buying in....

« on: April 05, 2012, 12:40:33 PM »

Fantastic work in this thread 

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Interesting perspective from a converted Illinois fan

« on: April 05, 2012, 12:04:11 PM »

Reading that post gave me a facial tic.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: They think we'll be good

« on: April 04, 2012, 10:38:01 PM »

Doyle

I heard Illinois has higher academic requirements than most D1 schools. Know anything about that?

I think we're pretty rigid with academics. I don't know if it's actual higher standards or just not making as many exceptions, but there's definitely been consistent talk of us having concerns in instances where some other schools don't. Sorry I don't know more of the specifics.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Things we won't see now that oscar is here

« on: April 04, 2012, 05:47:19 PM »

Our single inbounds play for the past 5 years.
Offense designed to never get uncontested shots.
Players being thrown under the bus in press conferences.

Are you kidding? This is almost exclusively what you're getting. I honestly cannot remember the last time Illinois successfully executed an inbounds play that resulted in an easy basket. Deron Williams was probably involved. Even worse, our plays out of timeouts were almost comical disasters. I actually lost count of how many times we were in an end-of-game position to tie/win and the end result was a shot not even being taken.

Someone posted the offensive efficiency freefall that was 2005-2012. I guess uncontested shots > heaves as the shot clock expires, but maybe they're the same.

But the worst was players being thrown under the bus. Not just at press conferences, either. My personal favorite was the time oscar went on ESPN 1000 in Chicago to complain not just about (Chicago native) Demetri McCamey but all of his friends and family. I almost drove off the road twice - once out of shock, and then almost intentionally after I listened a few more minutes and realized that if any Big Ten coach was hearing this he'd have ammo to shut Weber out of any living room in Chicago for the better part of a decade.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: They think we'll be good

« on: April 04, 2012, 05:38:53 PM »

Those 4 guys were from Chicago.  If oscar Weber is able to recruit Illinois the way he recruited Illinois at Illinois you will NEVER hear me complain about his recruiting. 

Recruiting in Chicago is really weird in that oscar himself will be seen as more palatable now that he's not at Illinois. I know that seems counterintuitive, but there's a screwed up set of expectations that accompany the University of Illinois when it appears in and around the city. Certain coaches believe certain players are entitled to "looks" since they're home state talent, others think Illinois has to do more to "prove" why a kid should stay home, others get bogged down in whether certain high schools are being shown preferable treatment, etc. If there were such a thing as a quadruple-edged sword for us, this would be it.

Things get simpler for oscar now. He's an outsider coming in and (hopefully, for your sake) offering up the chance to come to the Big XII and be the man (this was another problem of his, btw - he would always refuse to blow sunshine on kids while recruiting them and really hold the line on things like "you'll have to earn your spot"; yeah, we get it, oscar, but that goes over like a lead balloon in a living room, ok?). It's a little more cut-and-dried for him, at least in Illinois, I think.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Awesome Things That Will Probably Be Eliminated By Gosh-Darned oscar

« on: April 04, 2012, 05:26:05 PM »

Final scores in the 70s.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Awsome New Things Coming to the OOD* Thanks to oscar

« on: April 04, 2012, 03:10:24 PM »

A track around the court.

 

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Good Weber blog entery by Kellis

« on: April 03, 2012, 10:21:33 PM »

Years 3-7 at Illinois I think really show what he is and can be as a coach. Some may say that's not good enough and that's fine. While I don't think he's proven he's going to build a title contender in a BCS league, I don't think that he'll bury K-State either.

If the 17-15 season was an isolated anomaly, what does that make the 16-19 season?

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Welcome to the board Doyle.

« on: April 03, 2012, 06:19:32 PM »

Thanks dudes 

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: oscar Weber facts

« on: April 03, 2012, 05:08:30 PM »

why is there a facepalm at northwestern 71 - illinois 70, but not a facepalm at northwestern 74 - illinois 70 ?

We actually lost to Northwestern enough that it was no longer noteworthy. 

That UIC loss was, statistically, the single worst loss in the entire history of our program. That team went on to go 2-16 in the Horizon League and 7-24 overall. AND it happened at the United Center, a building we used to be so dominant in that other Big Ten coaches formed a bloc to move the Big Ten Tournament away from it because of our advantage there.

#bruceweberfacts

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: oscar Weber facts

« on: April 03, 2012, 04:24:29 PM »

zomg:

“I think if you go back it’s probably the best nine-year run in the history of the school or at least close.”

It's cool that he wanted to get into the spirit of this thread.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: oscar Weber facts

« on: April 03, 2012, 04:16:49 PM »

Miami (OH) 61, Illinois 58 
Tennessee St. 60, Illinois 58 
Penn State 68, Illinois 64
Penn State 52, Illinois 51
Penn State 38, Illinois 33
Penn State 64, Illinois 63
Western Kentucky 76, Illinois 72
Utah 60, Illinois 58 
Bradley 72, Illinois 68 
Georgia 70, Illinois 67
Northwestern 73, Illinois 68 
UIC 57, Illinois 54 
Penn State 57, Illinois 55
Indiana 52, Illinois 49
Northwestern 71, Illinois 70 
Penn State 54, Illinois 52
Minnesota 77, Illinois 72
Northwestern 74, Illinois 70
Nebraska 80, Illinois 57

The facepalms indicate historically bad losses. At least we beat Illinois State this year to avoid what would have been the career triple-abortion to in-state mid-major opponents.

http://alioneye.com/2012/04/03/on-weber-and-k-state/

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: oscar Weber's Message to Students

« on: April 02, 2012, 06:04:53 PM »

Are you still posting on the phog.net politics board?

Occasionally, yes. I don't know why. It's like being an intellectual cutter. 

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: oscar Weber's Message to Students

« on: April 02, 2012, 05:44:29 PM »

Well keep your dog crap on your side of the fence then.

We tried. There's not much you can do when the weird guy in the neighborhood roots through your garbage after you throw the crap away.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Attn oscar Weber: The Buck Stops on Your rough ridin' Desk

« on: April 02, 2012, 05:36:02 PM »

Oneof the things that bothers me is that he really doesn't have an incentive to win other than to "show" Illinois that they were wrong.  I mean he got paid by them to leave and we were dumb enough to pay him more?  What stops him from just shrugging his shoulders in two years when we suck?  He knows he's banking it regardless of how he does.

Well, I think Bill Self does legitimately bother him. So there's that.

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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: oscar Weber's Message to Students

« on: April 02, 2012, 05:05:06 PM »

They are the segment of our fanbase who show up to games with their t-shirt tucked into their blue jeans. They tend to be big money donors or people who like to think that they are.

That's brilliant.

I'm from Illinois. I'm here to help. We'll get through this together.