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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not

« on: April 07, 2017, 12:41:52 PM »

Update: oscar is still here.

Reason: Veatch feels sorry for him.

Weber knew it was coming, too, but shortly after the story appeared in the Manhattan Mercury he said he got something else from interim athletic director Laird Veatch:

An apology.

“He didn’t really want it to be a vote of confidence,” Weber said. “It was just supposed to come out that I’m the coach and all that stuff. He called me right after, and said, ‘I’m sorry that’s the wording.’ ”

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article143086604.html

Vote of confidences are stupid, they always end in a firing a year later. I think it is smart on Veatch's part to try and not give one. Just awful execution.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: frank vs brad

« on: April 05, 2017, 06:29:01 PM »

I'm not hating. It's a very solid pickup. His recruiting just never carried over as a HC at USF.

Probably the best player he coached in 3 years at USF was from Highland Park in Topeka and he left halfway through this year for SMU.

His faults could be based on not hiring the right assistants on a limited budget. But I wouldn't say he is great by any means.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: frank vs brad

« on: April 05, 2017, 04:34:13 PM »

Good land for Brad, but Brad did lose his stud recruit.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: NEXT YEAR...

« on: April 05, 2017, 12:21:01 PM »

I'm withholding all comment until I see the non-con schedule. If it's the same Parkay spread as this year, that's a clear message of what Oscar thinks of the team.

That is my thought as well. I'm not going to get excited for not deflated by the anticipation of good or bad. I'm just going to let it unfold without too much investment.

 

No one would schedule them last year, it is more indicative of what other coaches think about playing K-State and the balance of risk and reward.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: NEXT YEAR...

« on: April 04, 2017, 09:33:40 PM »

It's a sad state of affairs when our ability to "get better" is predicated on other teams getting worse.

I don't think that is the case. Returning +60% of mins and most of the teams shooting, it wouldn't be shocking to see this team rise to 22+ ADJem is kenpom. Pushing them in the top 25.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: NEXT YEAR...

« on: April 04, 2017, 09:11:11 PM »

i don't see why we'd be any worse than this year.

If BU, OSU and ISU take a step back we will be relatively better.

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Kansas State Football / Re: spring practice 17 tidbits, nuggets, and hearsay

« on: April 03, 2017, 09:31:54 PM »

This screams one year spot fill.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Bigger Accomplishment: NIT Title vs. First Four win?

« on: April 03, 2017, 07:07:49 PM »

it's not like south carolina sucked and then came on strong at the end.  you people apparently only watched frankuary

They lost 6 out of their last 9 regular season games. 

let me say it more directly: are you arguing that february was their true baseline and they were lucky all the other months of the season?

Frank did what all his tournament teams do, he earned a spot easily with good wins during most of the regular season so that stupid losses late didn't put them on the bubble. The previous season his schedule was so weak he couldn't follow the usual Frank plan.

Thats not true, usually Frank earns his bid in February. This year he did most of his work before January. If his slide happened a couple more weeks earlier he would have been in trouble.

I don't think people understand how soft the bubble this year was. It was super fluid.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: 2017-18 Season: What Players Big 12 Teams are Losing, Returning, and Adding

« on: April 03, 2017, 11:43:11 AM »

I wasn't impressed with Jones at all. He doesn't fit the mold of the type of big Shaka has been successful with. Doesn't matter though, he'll be back at UT.

Jones is/was a combo guard for UT. I think you are thinking of Banks.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: frank vs brad

« on: March 30, 2017, 12:25:32 PM »

Brad hasn't truly built a roster. Brad defense has more often than not been poor. 

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: 2017-18 Season: What Players Big 12 Teams are Losing, Returning, and Adding

« on: March 30, 2017, 11:58:14 AM »

Texas could easily be awful again.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Doug Gottlieb to Oklahoma St.

« on: March 29, 2017, 03:23:34 PM »

Let say Mike and Evans elevate their recruiting and do an average job of developing players. Maintain a above average roster. In conference they stay around 5-7 wins do poor coaching / game planning. Is this a better way to stall a program than lets say what Weber is doing now? I know both are unintentional from an admin stand point.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not

« on: March 29, 2017, 03:15:41 PM »

He's OK at it!

A major part of developing players is recruiting players that have a skill set they can grow. He has been pretty hit and miss in this part and it is discounted by player attrition but most coaches has turnover. The players that have stayed seem to always  make more than incremental steps.

Another draw back is I don't think be does a good job of making great college players and or utilize their skill set. I think Rodney became a more rounded offensive player under Weber, but oscar didn't utilize him as well as Frank. The weird kicker is that was our best in conference offense since Lon.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not

« on: March 29, 2017, 02:39:19 PM »

I've been the driver of the DJamer bus since day one but I don't think it's fair to say he's the best scorer of the three because he scored more points. DJamer was the second scoring option on this team, Curt and JO were never asked to carry the load DJamer had to. I think Curt, actually I know, had the proper skill set to score a lot of points for this team. JO was more of a JYC and I'm not sure he could be trusted to score with his back to the basket 5 times a game. But yeah JO was far and away the best defender of the three although DJamer was a very good shot blocker.

Jamar is under appreciated, imo. Nice to have a 4 that can shoot the 3 but as beast on the board and draws fouls.  That is a hell of a third option.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not

« on: March 29, 2017, 02:03:52 PM »

DJamer defense was hit and miss the rest of oscar's bigs poor. Half of Franks big seemed to Better defensively.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not

« on: March 29, 2017, 01:16:51 PM »

He is aware of his bigs recruiting/developing problem.  It's why Korn Dawg is on staff now.

I think his big philosophy has been different at K-State than Illinois. His choices of big this year seem better. But I think the overall execution has been pretty poor. Not having Malek Harris hurts because he had a good motor and better Athleticism than the rest of our roster returning. I know he is at the D-II level right now but he was in car accident that really set his career back.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not

« on: March 29, 2017, 01:08:44 PM »

Wes is a great example of oscar's good wing recruiting

Oscar is good with wings. Good a coaching point guards, but awful at recruiting/evaluating. General mess with Bigs.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not

« on: March 29, 2017, 01:06:39 PM »

Its hard for me to think Wooly could have had any success no matter what. He coached D1 teams for 19 seasons and had 1 NCAA (his only postseason). His teams only finished .500 or better in conference play 5 times. Wooly is a likable guy who was a bad basketball coach. Weber isn't a likable guy and is an average basketball coach.

Being .500 at the p5 conference level would probably put him above average depending on the context. I think it is also fair to say quality of a individual coach is fluid and is also very dependent on his coaching staff. Scott Drew is better coach today than he was 4 years ago. The question is from where Weber is now is he moving up in the market or is the market surpassing him.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not

« on: March 28, 2017, 03:41:57 PM »

I know the stuff about oscar not wanting to get his hands dirty, etc. but at the end of the day he isn't a great recruiter. He isn't terrible either though, he's brought in decent talent here, good enough to win games. oscar's problem always seems to be the consistency of effort/intensity his teams play with during a season, at least in the last 12 seasons at Illinois/K-State.

Look how his team preformed relative to their projected Kenpom scores. Look at its g-score ratings on http://barttorvik.com/team.php?team=Kansas+St. I don't think it is fair to say it is effort/intensity, one of the main reason that isn't his brand of basketball and it will never measure up to the Huggins coaching tree.

I don't think this team was wildly inconsistent outside of how poor they played at OU. I don't think it is fair to judge a season or team on one game. In total they seemed to be a pretty solid team that just wasn't good enough to make a push where fans wanted them to be in a loaded big 12. They stayed between 26-36 ranking the entire big 12 season and did that with no bench. Not having a bench and being decently young add to a normal amount inconsistency.

I think most of the issues with this team fall under the roster building. Having the roster flip over two years had a negative effect. The team had depth issues. The team had issues with having size, strength and athleticism at the post position. Team had point guard issues with only having Kam.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Doug Gottlieb to Oklahoma St.

« on: March 27, 2017, 03:47:54 PM »

the whole staff went with Frank to So.Car. right?  Maybe Boynton was the video coordinator or something Frank's first year at So.Car. and they are doing a bit of an "O'Leary" to his resume

I'm honestly not trying to make this more than it is, but he was publically quoted as saying he understood why the whole staff was hired and he wasn't retained.

http://www.thestate.com/sports/college/university-of-south-carolina/usc-mens-basketball/article18154892.html

He isn't listed on Frank's original staff either:

Coaches
Frank Martin - Head Coach
Brad Underwood - Associate Head Coach
Matt Figger - Assistant Coach/Recruiting Coordinator
Lamont Evans - Assistant Coach
Mark Rodger - Athletic Trainer
Andy Assaley - Director of Basketball Operations
Scott Greenawalt - Strength and Conditioning Coach

Nor is he in the staff media guide section:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/scar/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2012-13/misc_non_event/12-mbk-mg-sec-3.pdf

It just seems a little weird.

 Boynton at the press conference said he was with UCS for one year with Frank. Didn't seem like it was official tho.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Would Frank and Angel have gone to a Final Four together?

« on: March 27, 2017, 12:07:07 PM »

I will also say this: there is no reason to think he's going to stay at SC much longer, and we didn't have a great reason to think he would stay in Manhattan this long even with a good working AD relationship.

This is coming from someone who would love to bring Frank back, but I'd also be just as happy appreciating what Frank has done and picking up a new stud coach for ourselves.

SC already took care of him after last year. He's now making 2.5 mil and is extended through 2022. His buyout after this season is nearly 5 mil. I bet he they bump him to around $3 mil for next year after his Final 4 run. He'll be at SC as long as he wants to be and with what looks like a good relationship with his AD that will be a while.

It isn't the same AD that hired him btw. I also don't think those numbers are the going rate right now. He probably get a raise to 3 and a buyout bumped up to 8+ after the season.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: 2017 Recruiting Thread

« on: March 27, 2017, 12:20:28 AM »

It gets interesting if MU doesn't have an open scholarship (Porter Brothers plus Harris) and if Illinois extends an offer, they are guard heavy from my understanding.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Would Frank and Angel have gone to a Final Four together?

« on: March 26, 2017, 11:39:24 PM »

Probably.

I wouldn't say probably. But would I say maybe? Yes I would.
We were good in 2013 with McGruder/Angel/Weber and would have been good with McGruder/Angel/Frank..... But FFs are hard to get to.

Returned roughly 62% - Sprads from the 23th ranked kenpom team. Probably would not have won the big 12 because Weber was outrageously fortunate in close games. But should have been his 2nd best team ever and been favored in an elite 8 game. The team would have also probably been a points better than Weber's team.

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Kansas State Football / Re: New AD List

« on: March 26, 2017, 06:14:06 PM »

No Veatch and no Weiburg unless they publicly denounce Currie.  We simply cannot risk it otherwise.

Didn't Weiberg leave because of Currie? That would be louder than words.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: I love Frank Martin

« on: March 26, 2017, 04:50:09 PM »

The anger is starting to flow towards Currie and Schulz(s). Not so much towards Weber. This will complete the circle and our punished will be served. The Weber tenure will soon be over.