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General Discussion => Essentially Flyertalk => Topic started by: 'taterblast on August 30, 2010, 03:04:32 PM
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lately been scared of dying. not like i'm gonna die today or anything like that, but just the thought that someday i will die kind of freaks me out. not really religious so i don't have the comfort of thinking dying is just a taxi ride to the biggest party ever. anyone else?
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pussy
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lately been scared of dying. not like i'm gonna die today or anything like that, but just the thought that someday i will die kind of freaks me out. not really religious so i don't have the comfort of thinking dying is just a taxi ride to the biggest party ever. anyone else?
Everybody dies. Lots of people die young, too. You can either live it up and die whenver, or you can be scared of dying, live like a pussy, then still die whenever. It's your choice.
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Kinda seems like dying is the easy part.
Why worry about it?
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Joke's on you chumps, I'm living forever :cool:
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There's no time for us
There's no place for us
What is this thing that builds our dreams yet slips away
From us
Who wants to live forever
Who wants to live forever....?
There's no chance for us
Its all decided for us
This world has only one sweet moment set aside for us
Who wants to live forever
Who wants to live forever?
Who dares to love forever?
When love must die
But touch my tears with your lips
Touch my world with your fingertips
And we can have forever
And we can love forever
Forever is our today
Who wants to live forever
Who wants to live forever?
Forever is our today
Who waits forever anyway?
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I think concept of eternal life (religion) is a lot scarier than life just ending when you die. :dunno:
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used to be scared of being buried alive. like, you wake up in a coffin with nowhere to go.
:runaway:
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used to be scared of being buried alive. like, you wake up in a coffin with nowhere to go.
:runaway:
Little known fact:
1 in 50,000 people will be buried alive.
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lately been scared of dying.
Rectifying that fear should be the most important thing in your earthly life.
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Kinda seems like dying is the easy part.
Only if you're without all doubt.
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I think concept of eternal life (religion) is a lot scarier than life just ending when you die. :dunno:
Of course it is.
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Usually when i think about this stuff, i get one of those "woah" moments. I mean, i think we go somewhere after we die, but there isn't anyway to prove it.
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Seek the answer until you're certain.
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Maybe you should consult death? Is he still around here? Bet he'd give you some sage advice? :dunno: (ftp://:dunno:)
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you're right to be afraid. dying is horrible.
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you're right to be afraid. dying is horrible.
I hear it can be quite painful.
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Don't go near the light. It's a trap.
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Don't go near the light. It's a trap.
Also pretty good advice for any insect posters out there.
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Birth is a death sentence. :runaway:
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I don't really fear dieing as much as I fear getting old. :ohno:
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Don't go near the light. It's a trap.
Also pretty good advice for any insect posters out there.
this is a good post, i really enjoyed it.
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i dont fear death as much as I do my first prostate exam at age 40 or whatever it is
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Don't go near the light. It's a trap.
Also pretty good advice for any insect posters out there.
this is a good post, i really enjoyed it.
yes, quality post jtksu, quality post.
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i dont fear death as much as I do my first prostate exam at age 40 or whatever it is
Don't know what you are talking about I'm looking forward to Both :drool: :excited:
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i dont fear death as much as I do my first prostate exam at age 40 or whatever it is
Don't know what you are talking about I'm looking forward to Both :drool: :excited:
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If you believe that there is no afterlife, then theoretically death is no misfortune at all. This is because if you fail to exist you cannot experience....and if you cannot experience then there is no misfortune.
However, if you are agnostic, you will live a life of torment until you die.
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This is because if you fail to exist you cannot experience....and if you cannot experience then there is no misfortune.
If you don't know that your spouse is cheating on you, you don't experience it. But you're probably still not okay with your spouse cheating on you as long as you don't know about it.
Suppose we could remove one of your favorite things to do (like posting on goEMAW, e.g.) such that you are not aware that such a thing ever existed. You'd be worse off without it. And you'd be worse off despite being unable to experience it or know that you could be. Dying entails the removal of everything in the world that you like to do.
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meh. everybody dies sometime.
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Suppose we could remove one of your favorite things to do (like posting on goEMAW, e.g.) such that you are not aware that such a thing ever existed. You'd be worse off without it. And you'd be worse off despite being unable to experience it or know that you could be. Dying entails the removal of everything in the world that you like to do.
:cracksknuckles:
I am not harmed in anyway in your scenario because I didn't experience it.
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You worry too much / You make yourself sad
You can't change fate / But don't feel so bad
Enjoy it while you can / It's just like the weather
So quit complaining brother . . . . . . .
No one lives forever!!
Let's have a party there's a full moon in the sky
It's the hour of the wolf and I don't want to die
I'm so happy dancing while the grim reaper
Cuts, cuts, cuts
But he can't get me (I'm as)
Clever as can be, and I'm very quick, but don't forget
No one lives forever!!!
You think you got it rough / What about your darling doggy?
Ten short years / And he's getting old and groggy
I don't think it's very fair
Cold, chop, low, but it's all relative my friend 'cause
No one lives forever!!!
Let's have a party there's a full moon in the sky
It's the hour of the wolf and I
Don't want to die (but) . . .
No one beats him at his game
For very long but just the same
Who cares, there's no place safe to hide
Nowhere to run--no time to cry
So celebrate while you still can
'Cause any second it may end.
And when it's all been said and done . . .
Better that you had some fun
Instead of hiding in a shell-Why make your life a living hell?
So have a toast, and down the cup
And drink to bones that turn to dust ('cause) . . .
No one, no one, no one, no one . . . . . . . (etc.)
No one lives forever!! (Hey!)
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Joke's on you chumps, I'm living forever :cool:
SD, you a vampire? If so, PM.
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Death is just another path along the journey. It's only when you break the cycle of death and life that you truly begin to experience "being".
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Suppose we could remove one of your favorite things to do (like posting on goEMAW, e.g.) such that you are not aware that such a thing ever existed. You'd be worse off without it. And you'd be worse off despite being unable to experience it or know that you could be. Dying entails the removal of everything in the world that you like to do.
:cracksknuckles:
I am not harmed in anyway in your scenario because I didn't experience it.
are you harmed when you spouse cheats on you yet you don't experience it? the answer is yes.
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Suppose we could remove one of your favorite things to do (like posting on goEMAW, e.g.) such that you are not aware that such a thing ever existed. You'd be worse off without it. And you'd be worse off despite being unable to experience it or know that you could be. Dying entails the removal of everything in the world that you like to do.
:cracksknuckles:
I am not harmed in anyway in your scenario because I didn't experience it.
are you harmed when you spouse cheats on you yet you don't experience it? the answer is yes.
Describe the harm. What is the misfortune?
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Suppose we could remove one of your favorite things to do (like posting on goEMAW, e.g.) such that you are not aware that such a thing ever existed. You'd be worse off without it. And you'd be worse off despite being unable to experience it or know that you could be. Dying entails the removal of everything in the world that you like to do.
:cracksknuckles:
I am not harmed in anyway in your scenario because I didn't experience it.
are you harmed when you spouse cheats on you yet you don't experience it? the answer is yes.
Describe the harm. What is the misfortune?
Your life is shittier than it would be otherwise. There's something about it that's a sham. It's not genuine.
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Suppose we could remove one of your favorite things to do (like posting on goEMAW, e.g.) such that you are not aware that such a thing ever existed. You'd be worse off without it. And you'd be worse off despite being unable to experience it or know that you could be. Dying entails the removal of everything in the world that you like to do.
:cracksknuckles:
I am not harmed in anyway in your scenario because I didn't experience it.
are you harmed when you spouse cheats on you yet you don't experience it? the answer is yes.
Describe the harm. What is the misfortune?
Your life is shittier than it would be otherwise. There's something about it that's a sham. It's not genuine.
I mean, if you robbed some rich dude but he had no idea because he never missed the money you stole since he's so rich, a court is still going to say he was harmed, right? Harm encompasses more than a boo boo on your elbow.
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Eternal life is a much more terrifying prospect than death.
Without pain, joy becomes meaningless. Without death, life becomes meaningless. Mortality is our greatest gift; it makes everything more beautiful.
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We have all not-experienced an infinity of calamitous events.
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This is because if you fail to exist you cannot experience....and if you cannot experience then there is no misfortune.
If you don't know that your spouse is cheating on you, you don't experience it. But you're probably still not okay with your spouse cheating on you as long as you don't know about it.
Suppose we could remove one of your favorite things to do (like posting on goEMAW, e.g.) such that you are not aware that such a thing ever existed. You'd be worse off without it. And you'd be worse off despite being unable to experience it or know that you could be. Dying entails the removal of everything in the world that you like to do.
Very Pascal's Wager-ish post
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Suppose we could remove one of your favorite things to do (like posting on goEMAW, e.g.) such that you are not aware that such a thing ever existed. You'd be worse off without it. And you'd be worse off despite being unable to experience it or know that you could be. Dying entails the removal of everything in the world that you like to do.
:cracksknuckles:
I am not harmed in anyway in your scenario because I didn't experience it.
are you harmed when you spouse cheats on you yet you don't experience it? the answer is yes.
Describe the harm. What is the misfortune?
Your life is shittier than it would be otherwise. There's something about it that's a sham. It's not genuine.
That is ridiculous. If I never perceive it or any consequence then it effectively never happened.
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This is because if you fail to exist you cannot experience....and if you cannot experience then there is no misfortune.
If you don't know that your spouse is cheating on you, you don't experience it. But you're probably still not okay with your spouse cheating on you as long as you don't know about it.
Suppose we could remove one of your favorite things to do (like posting on goEMAW, e.g.) such that you are not aware that such a thing ever existed. You'd be worse off without it. And you'd be worse off despite being unable to experience it or know that you could be. Dying entails the removal of everything in the world that you like to do.
Very Pascal's Wager-ish post
Chum is an epistomological mess.
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If I never perceive it or any consequence then it effectively never happened.
So you don't care if your spouse cheats on you as long as you never find out, then, right?
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Chum is an epistomological mess.
Do you know what that word means?
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Chum is an epistomological mess.
Do you know what that word means?
Yep. But, how do I know I do? :jerk:
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i agree with chum in the fact that death sucks. i could live forever and love it. i could live forever and do nothing and love it. lock me up in a house by myself and i would enjoy it. living is just fantastic. dying would suck because it's not living. you don't get to think and do stuff when you are dead. i could think about stuff and do stuff and not think about stuff and not do stuff for ever and ever and be happy. happy is better than nothing and dead is nothing. if i was unhappy then dying would be better. i'm not.
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If I never perceive it or any consequence then it effectively never happened.
So you don't care if your spouse cheats on you as long as you never find out, then, right?
Sure i care, but not because of the event itself....only because there is a chance of a negative consequnce of some kind. If you could some how ensure that there would be no negative perceivable impact my spouse can go nuts for all I care.
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You guys ever see that movie where that guy got a wish and he wished to live forever but then his guts got tore open or something so he was there in a ton of pain and wouldn't die?
:surprised:
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i agree with chum in the fact that death sucks. i could live forever and love it. i could live forever and do nothing and love it. lock me up in a house by myself and i would enjoy it. living is just fantastic. dying would suck because it's not living. you don't get to think and do stuff when you are dead. i could think about stuff and do stuff and not think about stuff and not do stuff for ever and ever and be happy. happy is better than nothing and dead is nothing. if i was unhappy then dying would be better. i'm not.
Good point. Most people do, in fact, do the same crap over and over again during their lifetimes and they love it.
If you could some how ensure that there would be no negative perceivable impact my spouse can go nuts for all I care.
Your entire life could be a fraud. Every accomplishment you thought you'd made, every friend you thought you had, all the good things you thought you'd done, etc. All of it could be a fraud, but provided that you're not aware of the fraud, your life is just as good as it would be had those things been real? I don't buy it.
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i agree with chum in the fact that death sucks. i could live forever and love it. i could live forever and do nothing and love it. lock me up in a house by myself and i would enjoy it. living is just fantastic. dying would suck because it's not living. you don't get to think and do stuff when you are dead. i could think about stuff and do stuff and not think about stuff and not do stuff for ever and ever and be happy. happy is better than nothing and dead is nothing. if i was unhappy then dying would be better. i'm not.
Good point. Most people do, in fact, do the same crap over and over again during their lifetimes and they love it.
If you could some how ensure that there would be no negative perceivable impact my spouse can go nuts for all I care.
Your entire life could be a fraud. Every accomplishment you thought you'd made, every friend you thought you had, all the good things you thought you'd done, etc. All of it could be a fraud, but provided that you're not aware of the fraud, your life is just as good as it would be had those things been real? I don't buy it.
The thing is, it could be NOW. You could have been kidnapped ten years, your brain removed from your skull and placed in a computer running a life simulation, while your entire family was tortured and everything you love destroyed. You can't know that didn't happen.
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Eternal life is a much more terrifying prospect than death.
Without pain, joy becomes meaningless. Without death, life becomes meaningless. Mortality is our greatest gift; it makes everything more beautiful.
That's false. And you only say it because you've never experienced true perfection.
I haven't either, by the way.
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i agree with chum in the fact that death sucks. i could live forever and love it. i could live forever and do nothing and love it. lock me up in a house by myself and i would enjoy it. living is just fantastic. dying would suck because it's not living. you don't get to think and do stuff when you are dead. i could think about stuff and do stuff and not think about stuff and not do stuff for ever and ever and be happy. happy is better than nothing and dead is nothing. if i was unhappy then dying would be better. i'm not.
Good point. Most people do, in fact, do the same crap over and over again during their lifetimes and they love it.
If you could some how ensure that there would be no negative perceivable impact my spouse can go nuts for all I care.
Your entire life could be a fraud. Every accomplishment you thought you'd made, every friend you thought you had, all the good things you thought you'd done, etc. All of it could be a fraud, but provided that you're not aware of the fraud, your life is just as good as it would be had those things been real? I don't buy it.
The thing is, it could be NOW. You could have been kidnapped ten years, your brain removed from your skull and placed in a computer running a life simulation, while your entire family was tortured and everything you love destroyed. You can't know that didn't happen.
that simulator thing sounds pretty good. link?
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The thing is, it could be NOW. You could have been kidnapped ten years, your brain removed from your skull and placed in a computer running a life simulation, while your entire family was tortured and everything you love destroyed. You can't know that didn't happen.
My point is that my life would be worse if that was the case than it would be if it wasn't. Whether or not I know it is the case or can know it is the case is irrelevant.
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The thing is, it could be NOW. You could have been kidnapped ten years, your brain removed from your skull and placed in a computer running a life simulation, while your entire family was tortured and everything you love destroyed. You can't know that didn't happen.
My point is that my life would be worse if that was the case than it would be if it wasn't. Whether or not I know it is the case or can know it is the case is irrelevant.
For me, that could not be more relevant.
Immanuel Kant made the same argument as Chings (the "evil genius" story), only he attempted to use it as proof of the existence of God. I agree with you that death sucks for loads of reasons, but I'm the guy in the Matrix who wants to be turned into the Rock Star and doesn't care that it will be "fake."
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Immanuel Kant made the same argument as Chings (the "evil genius" story), only he attempted to use it as proof of the existence of God. I agree with you that death sucks for loads of reasons, but I'm the guy in the Matrix who wants to be turned into the Rock Star and doesn't care that it will be "fake."
You're thinking of René Descartes. And that wasn't part of his argument(s) for God's existence. The fact that you would be so confused about it invalidates all of your other views about The Matrix, fake rock stars, etc.
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Immanuel Kant made the same argument as Chings (the "evil genius" story), only he attempted to use it as proof of the existence of God. I agree with you that death sucks for loads of reasons, but I'm the guy in the Matrix who wants to be turned into the Rock Star and doesn't care that it will be "fake."
You're thinking of René Descartes. And that wasn't part of his argument(s) for God's existence. The fact that you would be so confused about it invalidates all of your other views about The Matrix, fake rock stars, etc.
Ya, my bad on mixing up my dead philosophers. But, it WAS in ONE of his arguments for the existence of god. Save your PI, smarty pants. Plus, it invalidates nothing other than your perception...which you have already stated is of little value to you.
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Immanuel Kant made the same argument as Chings (the "evil genius" story), only he attempted to use it as proof of the existence of God. I agree with you that death sucks for loads of reasons, but I'm the guy in the Matrix who wants to be turned into the Rock Star and doesn't care that it will be "fake."
You're thinking of René Descartes. And that wasn't part of his argument(s) for God's existence. The fact that you would be so confused about it invalidates all of your other views about The Matrix, fake rock stars, etc.
Belief in God, or a supreme being, intelligent creator, is extremely easy. Just walk outside on a dark winter night and look upward. Anyone, with a brain, looks upward and feels thankful for being given the opportunity to see the heavens. In feeling thankful, there has to be someone, something, to be thankful to. That would be, "God/creator/intelligent designer". This feeling has been felt since the first intelligent life on earth. Any opposing opinion is just an attempt to make someone feel more important than they truly are. Just my .02.
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Immanuel Kant made the same argument as Chings (the "evil genius" story), only he attempted to use it as proof of the existence of God. I agree with you that death sucks for loads of reasons, but I'm the guy in the Matrix who wants to be turned into the Rock Star and doesn't care that it will be "fake."
You're thinking of René Descartes. And that wasn't part of his argument(s) for God's existence. The fact that you would be so confused about it invalidates all of your other views about The Matrix, fake rock stars, etc.
Now I bothered to go look it up and reread it. Yep, it's in there. The fact that you would be so confused about it invalidates all of your other views about caring about your wife getting nailed behind your back.
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absolutely love how this thread turned out. great work all, keep it up.
loved the point by Pete about how he loves living, and would live forever. the example of the guy in the matrix wanting to be a rock star was also good.
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You guys ever see that movie where that guy got a wish and he wished to live forever but then his guts got tore open or something so he was there in a ton of pain and wouldn't die?
:surprised:
No, but I did see this movie where these 2 women got a wish or a potion or something and got to live forever and by the end of the movie everyone they knew was dead and they had to wear a ton of makeup because their faces were all cracked and falling apart and stuff and then they tripped going down the stairs and they shattered and fell apart but they were still alive because their heads were on the ground and they were talking to each other.
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Immanuel Kant made the same argument as Chings (the "evil genius" story), only he attempted to use it as proof of the existence of God. I agree with you that death sucks for loads of reasons, but I'm the guy in the Matrix who wants to be turned into the Rock Star and doesn't care that it will be "fake."
You're thinking of René Descartes. And that wasn't part of his argument(s) for God's existence. The fact that you would be so confused about it invalidates all of your other views about The Matrix, fake rock stars, etc.
Now I bothered to go look it up and reread it. Yep, it's in there. The fact that you would be so confused about it invalidates all of your other views about caring about your wife getting nailed behind your back.
It's in the book. It's not part of one of those arguments. It precedes them.
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A main point of religion is to make us fear death, and behave so death isn't a big deal. So, if you don't believe = you shouldn't fear death except it is the absecence of being, which is kind of fun.
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Immanuel Kant made the same argument as Chings (the "evil genius" story), only he attempted to use it as proof of the existence of God. I agree with you that death sucks for loads of reasons, but I'm the guy in the Matrix who wants to be turned into the Rock Star and doesn't care that it will be "fake."
You're thinking of René Descartes. And that wasn't part of his argument(s) for God's existence. The fact that you would be so confused about it invalidates all of your other views about The Matrix, fake rock stars, etc.
Now I bothered to go look it up and reread it. Yep, it's in there. The fact that you would be so confused about it invalidates all of your other views about caring about your wife getting nailed behind your back.
It's in the book. It's not part of one of those arguments. It precedes them.
It's kinda the point of the "The Cartesian Circle" isn't it? :dunno: For eff's sake the class was over a decade ago, I'll take your word for it. Still want to make the deal to be the Rock Star....will NOT look back.
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If I never perceive it or any consequence then it effectively never happened.
So you don't care if your spouse cheats on you as long as you never find out, then, right?
Sure i care, but not because of the event itself....only because there is a chance of a negative consequnce of some kind. If you could some how ensure that there would be no negative perceivable impact my spouse can go nuts for all I care.
I've changed my mind. MOAP is gonna be awesome.
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Eternal life is a much more terrifying prospect than death.
Without pain, joy becomes meaningless. Without death, life becomes meaningless. Mortality is our greatest gift; it makes everything more beautiful.
That's false. And you only say it because you've never experienced true perfection.
I haven't either, by the way.
You may be absolutely right. Joy and pain, when reduced from their abstract form and speaking from a strictly clinical viewpoint, merely exist as chemicals in the brain anyways. I would argue that true joy in life is the result of many, many other factors that can't necessarily be accounted for or measured biologically; and a major example of one of these factors is the sense and ultimate knowledge that your days on this earth are limited, and therefore immeasurably more precious. Not to mention, an existence in which everyone lived forever, or certainly one in which some die and others live forever, would be a horrible, horrible reality.
Life and death are an absolute necessity to existence even as we, as consciously aware beings, naturally question and struggle with the meaning behind our own existence. The natural instinct to avoid death and our fear of loss of control and the unknown blind us to the truth right in front of our faces. Plus the guy was asking why death shouldn't be so scary and I'm trying to help the dude out here.