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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: pissclams on July 22, 2010, 08:49:31 PM
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it's embarrassing that people are protesting the building of a mosque in lower manhattan, near ground zero.
thoughts? :cheers:
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not sure why anyone cares about religion :users:
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I understand why people are upset but that doesn't change that it really flies in the face of what our country stands for to ban one religion from building a place of worship in a certain location. Freedom often makes things complicated like tolerating the phelps crew protesting soldiers funerals and the like, but it seems like a violation of freedom of speech to disallow a group from building a place of worship if they own the land and it is properly zoned.
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They can build it as soon as a church or synagogue is able to be built anywhere in saudi arabia.
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They can build it as soon as a church or synagogue is able to be built anywhere in saudi arabia.
why?
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They can build it as soon as a church or synagogue is able to be built anywhere in saudi arabia.
Word, I was just telling the wife "America could learn a thing or two from they Saudis". They don't take no crap.
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Dirty Sanchez hates freedom.
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They can build it as soon as a church or synagogue is able to be built anywhere in saudi arabia.
why?
because
or
why not?
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They can build it as soon as a church or synagogue is able to be built anywhere in saudi arabia.
why?
because in dirty sanchez's world, all dark skinned people and their beliefs = against "freedom." (and fox news tells him to be angry!)
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They can build it as soon as a church or synagogue is able to be built anywhere in saudi arabia.
What's hilarious about this is there are synagogues in Iran:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_synagogues_in_Iran
Clams, I agree. It's embarrassing and disgusting that people hate the constitution.
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They can build it as soon as a church or synagogue is able to be built anywhere in saudi arabia.
why?
because in dirty sanchez's world, all dark skinned people and their beliefs = against "freedom." (and fox news tells him to be angry!)
Who plays the tin man in your world? Because you're clearly the cowardly lion and you've got a strawman right here.
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dirty sanchez:
serious question, why do you not want them to build it? i've yet to hear one reasonable reason.
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they are different than him.
Sorry DS but God has given them the right to build this.
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I agree with DS, Saudi Arabia is truly the model country that America should be striving for.
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I agree with DS, Saudi Arabia is truly the model country that America should be striving for.
Yes, we should start by making it illegal to build a mosque in the U.S. We can take care of the Jews and Catholics later. Then we can work on getting women back in the kitchen, where they belong.
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dirty sanchez should have just went to bed instead of joining this thread. Man.
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The catholics can build a church in my town whenever I can build a protestant church in Vatican City, amirite?
I have absolutely nothing against catholics, btw.
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They can build it as soon as a church or synagogue is able to be built anywhere in saudi arabia.
YEAH! eff Freedom Of Religion, amirite peeps?!
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
Get out of here, Free Exercise Clause, and take that God damned Establishment Clause with you!
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It's not even at ground zero...its a few blocks way from it.
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Blocking stuff like this happens all the time. I'll give you a hypothetical, then a real-world example.
Say someone bombed a gay nightclub. Then fred phelps decided he wanted to rent a building across the street. Would the left (and the right for that matter) not go apeshit over that one? Would it not be seen as overly provocative?
Now for the real world. A couple of months back a guy in one of the small towns in missouri just east of KC wanted to open up a youth activity club. He wanted to call it "black flag." Nothing wrong with that, right? Well, it turns out that this guy is a former member of a white supremacist group and the "black flag" was the color of flag william quantrill rode under. The zoning permit was first approved, but then the people of the town--mostly white--raised hell with the zoning board and it was reversed. It was considered overly provocative among other things.
But the left will just continue to excuse radical islam. Right down to the day when a sword hits their neck, I'm sure.
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Say someone bombed a gay nightclub. Then fred phelps decided he wanted to rent a building across the street. Would the left (and the right for that matter) not go apeshit over that one? Would it not be seen as overly provocative?
Don't really care what the left would do, but I think Phelps should be able to rent whatever building he wants, according to the laws. It really wouldn't be any worse than anything he already does.
Why wouldn't the right be outraged?
Now for the real world. A couple of months back a guy in one of the small towns in missouri just east of KC wanted to open up a youth activity club. He wanted to call it "black flag." Nothing wrong with that, right? Well, it turns out that this guy is a former member of a white supremacist group and the "black flag" was the color of flag william quantrill rode under. The zoning permit was first approved, but then the people of the town--mostly white--raised hell with the zoning board and it was reversed. It was considered overly provocative among other things.
Um, the building wasn't up to fire code:
Odessa officials reportedly found Juba failed to properly fill out his business application and that his license has been rescinded, and the club itself still isn't up to fire code.
http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/2010/04/charles_juba_ex-neo-nazi_and_aspiring_club_owner_wont_get_to_open_his_under-21_club_friday_night.php
But the left will just continue to excuse radical islam. Right down to the day when a sword hits their neck, I'm sure.
LOL. You're f*cking nuts.
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Just another dumbass issue to keep the useful idiots occupied . . . has another USDA official been fired by the Whitehouse?? Day 2 of the Vigil for Lindsey Lohan in jail.
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Just another dumbass issue to keep the useful idiots occupied . . . has another USDA official been fired by the Whitehouse?? Day 2 of the Vigil for Lindsey Lohan in jail.
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gawd, isn't he just adorable?
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This thread is a slaughterhouse of stupid, LOL
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This thread is a slaughterhouse of stupid, LOL
Have you written your congressmen encouraging them to legislate against it?
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nah, my congressman is too busy fighting evil brown people and looking for Hussein Obama's real birth certificate to worry about real issues.
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So having a laser like focus on the "real issues" means no actual federal budget (until after the elections), no significant immigration reform (until after the elections), and proclamations that they don't have votes on cap n' trade (but won't admit that they probably do until after the elections).
Check . . . got it.
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But the left will just continue to excuse radical islam. Right down to the day when a sword hits their neck, I'm sure.
1. This isn't about excusing radical Islam, it's about freedom of religion.
2. I hate radical Islam.
3. The community center in question (it's not a mosque but includes a small space for worship) is not being proposed by radical Islamists:
Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the spiritual leader of Masjid Al-Farah mosque in lower Manhattan, has gained a reputation in New York for his interfaith work and his progressive practice of Islam. Together with his wife Daisy Khan, Imam Feisal envisioned devotees to Islam sharing space with other communities to enjoy arts, culture and dialogue.
It's disgusting that anyone would suggest these moderate Muslims have even the slightest thing to do with 9/11. We need MORE moderate Islamic centers like this, to help steer Muslims away from the radical variety.
When I first heard about the Islamic center, I thought it was a great piece of outreach and a symbol of healing. It's Muslims saying, we want to reach out and let you know that not all Muslims are like the terrorists. We know other Muslims did 9/11, and we want to help ensure nothing like this ever happens again.
But some conservatives are too steeped in hate and ignorance to see or accept this.
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So having a laser like focus on the "real issues" means no actual federal budget (until after the elections), no significant immigration reform (until after the elections), and proclamations that they don't have votes on cap n' trade (but won't admit that they probably do until after the elections).
Check . . . got it.
Stop trying to change the topic of this particular thread.
Tell me one legit reason why they shouldn't build this center.
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But the left will just continue to excuse radical islam. Right down to the day when a sword hits their neck, I'm sure.
1. This isn't about excusing radical Islam, it's about freedom of religion.
2. I hate radical Islam.
3. The community center in question (it's not a mosque but includes a small space for worship) is not being proposed by radical Islamists:
Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the spiritual leader of Masjid Al-Farah mosque in lower Manhattan, has gained a reputation in New York for his interfaith work and his progressive practice of Islam. Together with his wife Daisy Khan, Imam Feisal envisioned devotees to Islam sharing space with other communities to enjoy arts, culture and dialogue.
It's disgusting that anyone would suggest these moderate Muslims have even the slightest thing to do with 9/11. We need MORE moderate Islamic centers like this, to help steer Muslims away from the radical variety.
When I first heard about the Islamic center, I thought it was a great piece of outreach and a symbol of healing. It's Muslims saying, we want to reach out and let you know that not all Muslims are like the terrorists. We know other Muslims did 9/11, and we want to help ensure nothing like this ever happens again.
But some conservatives are too steeped in hate and ignorance to see or accept this.
But yet he doesn't see Hamas as a terrorist organization and there is serious question about where some of the money came from for construction of the mosque. Sometimes 2 + 2 actually does equal 4.
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hey, jeffy, why are you opposed to religious freedom?
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Can't wait to see some Russian titties at the Ground Zero Strip Club.
http://www.forbes.com/2010/07/22/ground-zero-mosque-religion-terrorism-opinions-columnists-conor-friedersdorf.html (http://www.forbes.com/2010/07/22/ground-zero-mosque-religion-terrorism-opinions-columnists-conor-friedersdorf.html)
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Dirty Sanchez and Brad Essex, the new face of fair and balanced.
The mosque will be built, it's just a shame and embarassment to see how far some in our country have strayed from the righteous path.
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But yet he doesn't see Hamas as a terrorist organization and there is serious question about where some of the money came from for construction of the mosque. Sometimes 2 + 2 actually does equal 4.
This is the same weak-ass guilt by association and innuendo that the Right tried (and failed miserably) to take down Obama with.
Robert Wright has a terrific column that lays the smackdown on all of this: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/a-mosque-maligned/
I'm looking forward to the Ground Zero strip club. :drool:
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But yet he doesn't see Hamas as a terrorist organization and there is serious question about where some of the money came from for construction of the mosque. Sometimes 2 + 2 actually does equal 4.
This is the same weak-ass guilt by association and innuendo that the Right tried (and failed miserably) to take down Obama with.
Robert Wright has a terrific column that lays the smackdown on all of this: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/a-mosque-maligned/
I'm looking forward to the Ground Zero strip club. :drool:
Just because the media didn't pay attention to Obama's associations, doesn't make them something that shouldn't be paid attention to.
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jeffy, answer my question! tia
your goEMAW.com poster of the week,
OK_Cat
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our founding fathers are rolling in their graves after reading this.
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jeffy, answer my question! tia
your goEMAW.com poster of the week,
OK_Cat
Ever hear of common decency and respect? Nope. Didn't think so.
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So having a laser like focus on the "real issues" means no actual federal budget (until after the elections), no significant immigration reform (until after the elections), and proclamations that they don't have votes on cap n' trade (but won't admit that they probably do until after the elections).
Check . . . got it.
Stop trying to change the topic of this particular thread.
Tell me one legit reason why they shouldn't build this center.
I coulldn't care less if they built it or not, thus my original post on it just being another dumbass topic to keep the useful idiots occupied.
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So having a laser like focus on the "real issues" means no actual federal budget (until after the elections), no significant immigration reform (until after the elections), and proclamations that they don't have votes on cap n' trade (but won't admit that they probably do until after the elections).
Check . . . got it.
Stop trying to change the topic of this particular thread.
Tell me one legit reason why they shouldn't build this center.
I coulldn't care less if they built it or not, thus my original post on it just being another dumbass topic to keep the useful idiots occupied.
Your party is the group of people bitching
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jeffy, answer my question! tia
your goEMAW.com poster of the week,
OK_Cat
Ever hear of common decency and respect? Nope. Didn't think so.
What does that have to do with anything? They built a church a few blocks from the site of the OKC bombing, is that offensive since a Christian man was to blame for the bombing?
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jeffy, answer my question! tia
your goEMAW.com poster of the week,
OK_Cat
Ever hear of common decency and respect? Nope. Didn't think so.
What does that have to do with anything? They built a church a few blocks from the site of the OKC bombing, is that offensive since a Christian man was to blame for the bombing?
Did he blow up Murrah in the name of Jesus? Somehow I don't think so.
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The terrorists are winning all over this thread.
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The terrorists are winning all over this thread.
Obviously you're :opcat: against good white Christians.
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But yet he doesn't see Hamas as a terrorist organization and there is serious question about where some of the money came from for construction of the mosque. Sometimes 2 + 2 actually does equal 4.
This is the same weak-ass guilt by association and innuendo that the Right tried (and failed miserably) to take down Obama with.
Robert Wright has a terrific column that lays the smackdown on all of this: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/a-mosque-maligned/
I'm looking forward to the Ground Zero strip club. :drool:
Just because the media didn't pay attention to Obama's associations, doesn't make them something that shouldn't be paid attention to.
Actually the media was all over Obama's associations. However, they shouldn't have been, since the associations were meaningless.
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:lol:
These crazies think that a considerable portion of American Muslims supported the 9/11 attacks.
:lol: :lol:
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But yet he doesn't see Hamas as a terrorist organization and there is serious question about where some of the money came from for construction of the mosque. Sometimes 2 + 2 actually does equal 4.
This is the same weak-ass guilt by association and innuendo that the Right tried (and failed miserably) to take down Obama with.
Robert Wright has a terrific column that lays the smackdown on all of this: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/a-mosque-maligned/
I'm looking forward to the Ground Zero strip club. :drool:
Just because the media didn't pay attention to Obama's associations, doesn't make them something that shouldn't be paid attention to.
Actually the media was all over Obama's associations. However, they shouldn't have been, since the associations were meaningless.
Yup... Even JournoList was doing everything it could to distance Obama from Jeremiah Wright.
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Feisal Abdul Rauf (ECTN) Jihadwatch
Feisal Abdul Rauf, a New York imam, expects us to believe that jihad warfare was started by the West and can only be ended by the West. He is therefore either concealing or ignorant of the fact that violent jihad is a developed tradition within Islam and found in core Islamic texts (including but not limited to the Qur'an, as well as Hadith and books of Islamic jurisprudence). In those it has nothing to do with the behavior of infidels. It only has to do with the fact that they are infidels. Take, for example, this quotation from the Muslim prophet Muhammad:
When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them. (Sahih Muslim, book 019, Number 4294)
That is offensive jihad. It is buttressed by numerous other sayings of the Prophet, by the Qur'an, and by Islamic legal scholars. But Feisal Abdul Rauf puts it all on the West, and gets invited to Australia by Premier Bob Carr.
The US and the West must acknowledge the harm they have done to Muslims before terrorism can end, says an Islamic cleric invited to Sydney by Premier Bob Carr.
New York-based Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, who impressed Mr Carr at an international conference last year, arrives in Sydney today for two weeks of meetings and public talks.
Speaking from his New York mosque, Imam Feisal said the West had to understand the terrorists' point of view.
In a move likely to cause controversy with church leaders, Imam Feisal said it was Christians who started mass attacks on civilians.
"The Islamic method of waging war is not to kill innocent civilians. But it was Christians in World War II who bombed civilians in Dresden and Hiroshima, neither of which were military targets."
This is outrageously specious, but it depends on the ignorance of the listeners. The bombings of Dresden and Hiroshima were not justified by the bombers on the basis of Christian theology. The bombings by terrorists -- 9/11, 3/11, etc. -- are justified on the basis of Islamic theology. By claiming that they are equivalent, Abdul Rauf obscures the Islamic roots of modern-day terrorism, thus hindering the prospects for the reform within Islam that is so desperately needed if jihad terrorism is ever going to cease.
Imam Feisal said the bombing in Madrid had made his message more urgent. He said there was an endless supply of angry young Muslim rebels prepared to die for their cause and there was no sign of the attacks ending unless there was a fundamental change in the world.
Yes indeed. But displaying a lack of the self-critical faculty that he shares with radical Muslims, he makes no mention, at least according to this report, of the Islamic roots of terror, and of the need for Muslims who truly (rather than deceptively) oppose terror to address this problem.
Imam Feisal, who argues for a Western style of Islam that promotes democracy and tolerance, said there could be little progress until the US acknowledged backing dictators and the US President gave an "America Culpa" speech to the Muslim world.
Of course. The historical depredations of jihad, they were all the fault of the West. The fall of Constantinople? Probably because of Byzantium's support for Israel.
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New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg says it would be "un-American" to investigate a mosque that is planned for construction near where the World Trade Center once stood. Well .. I guess that makes me and a whole bunch of my fellow citizens "un-American." I want to know who is funding this Islamic atrocity at ground zero. You might be interested in knowing that Muslims have a rich history of building Mosques at the sites of their great conquests. Many Muslims consider 9/11 to be a great conquest. Connect the dots.
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Stop calling it the Ground Zero mosque you dumb eff. It's two blocks away in one of the largest cities in the world.
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Douchehats like the republitards in this thread need to get a reality check. A bunch of crazies flew planes into buildings, not a religion.
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Douchehats like the republitards in this thread need to get a reality check. A bunch of crazies flew planes into buildings, not a religion.
A well-noted religion-bigot defending religion now. LOL.
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i go to church every week :dunno:
just defending common sense, something you "birthers" and "9/11 mosquers" forgot about.
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OK_Cat,
You may be right on this topic. However, you come off as a huge asshat, which i realize is what you are wanting to accomplish. But it makes it really hard to agree with you, imo.
Sincerely,
Your non-goEMAW.com poster of the week.
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Feisal Abdul Rauf (ECTN) Jihadwatch
Feisal Abdul Rauf, a New York imam, expects us to believe [etc...]
Wow. A religious leader believing stupid and wrong things -- I'm shocked! :rolleyes:
If that were grounds for disallowing a place of worship, we'd have to tear down just about every church, mosque and synagogue in America. Fortunately, the First Amendment allows all stupid religions, not just your preferred stupid religion.
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New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg says it would be "un-American" to investigate a mosque that is planned for construction near where the World Trade Center once stood. Well .. I guess that makes me and a whole bunch of my fellow citizens "un-American." I want to know who is funding this Islamic atrocity at ground zero. You might be interested in knowing that Muslims have a rich history of building Mosques at the sites of their great conquests. Many Muslims consider 9/11 to be a great conquest. Connect the dots.
:jeffy:
So, I'm a little new here, but it's awesome that that emoticon is named after Jeffy. It makes so much sense now.
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If the anti-mosquers let them build a giant ground zero mosque, the anti-mosquers could fly a plane into it. :dunno:
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They can build it as soon as a church or synagogue is able to be built anywhere in saudi arabia.
The responses to this post prove one thing: its hard to see tongue in cheek with head up ass. jOKe cat proves this with every post.
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i go to church every week :dunno:
Are you being honest with yourself? Why don't you quit going? Are you afraid to disappoint the family? Have you stood up in front of the congregation and told them you don't believe in their zombie in the sky?
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i go to church every week :dunno:
Are you being honest with yourself? Why don't you quit going? Are you afraid to disappoint the family? Have you stood up in front of the congregation and told them you don't believe in their zombie in the sky?
I think he means he's the janitor at the church.
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Stop calling it the Ground Zero mosque you dumb shazbot!. It's two blocks away in one of the largest cities in the world.
You guys do realize that a huge part of one of the planes went through the roof of the building in question, crashing through several floors, rendering int unusable. I am sure that was a major consideration as to where the Muslim Center would have the biggest impact for their monument to 9/11, short of within the footprint of the twin towers.
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i go to church every week :dunno:
Are you being honest with yourself? Why don't you quit going? Are you afraid to disappoint the family? Have you stood up in front of the congregation and told them you don't believe in their zombie in the sky?
You're questioning his religiosity because he believes other religions should have the same freedoms his does? Maybe you should try believing in freedom too.
Myself, I don't go to church and think humanity would be better off without religion, but people should be free to practice it until the day they're ready to give it up.
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i go to church every week :dunno:
Are you being honest with yourself? Why don't you quit going? Are you afraid to disappoint the family? Have you stood up in front of the congregation and told them you don't believe in their zombie in the sky?
You're questioning his religiosity because he believes other religions should have the same freedoms his does? Maybe you should try believing in freedom too.
Myself, I don't go to church and think humanity would be better off without religion, but people should be free to practice it until the day they're ready to give it up.
Huh? He's frequently denied religion, but continues to attend church. There are obviously ulterior motives.
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why do you hate freedom?
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why do you hate freedom?
you lose
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why do you hate freedom?
Poster of the Week fail.
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They can build it as soon as a church or synagogue is able to be built anywhere in saudi arabia.
The responses to this post prove one thing: its hard to see tongue in cheek with head up ass. jOKe cat proves this with every post.
Was Newt Gingrich being tounge in cheek when he said it?
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i go to church every week :dunno:
Are you being honest with yourself? Why don't you quit going? Are you afraid to disappoint the family? Have you stood up in front of the congregation and told them you don't believe in their zombie in the sky?
You're questioning his religiosity because he believes other religions should have the same freedoms his does? Maybe you should try believing in freedom too.
Myself, I don't go to church and think humanity would be better off without religion, but people should be free to practice it until the day they're ready to give it up.
Huh? He's frequently denied religion, but continues to attend church. There are obviously ulterior motives.
So, I'm a little new here
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They can build it as soon as a church or synagogue is able to be built anywhere in saudi arabia.
The responses to this post prove one thing: its hard to see tongue in cheek with head up ass. jOKe cat proves this with every post.
Was Newt Gingrich being tounge in cheek when he said it?
Ask him, not me.
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They can build it as soon as a church or synagogue is able to be built anywhere in saudi arabia.
The responses to this post prove one thing: its hard to see tongue in cheek with head up ass. jOKe cat proves this with every post.
Was Newt Gingrich being tounge in cheek when he said it?
Ask him, not me.
You parrot a talking point from someone completely serious in his statement and then play you it off as a joke when called out on it. Wtf.
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They can build it as soon as a church or synagogue is able to be built anywhere in saudi arabia.
The responses to this post prove one thing: its hard to see tongue in cheek with head up ass. jOKe cat proves this with every post.
Was Newt Gingrich being tounge in cheek when he said it?
Ask him, not me.
You parrot a talking point from someone completely serious in his statement and then play you it off as a joke when called out on it. Wtf.
A parrot hears things from someone or something else. I never heard Newt say this.
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They can build it as soon as a church or synagogue is able to be built anywhere in saudi arabia.
The responses to this post prove one thing: its hard to see tongue in cheek with head up ass. jOKe cat proves this with every post.
Was Newt Gingrich being tounge in cheek when he said it?
Ask him, not me.
You parrot a talking point from someone completely serious in his statement and then play you it off as a joke when called out on it. Wtf.
A parrot hears things from someone or something else. I never heard Newt say this.
http://www.newt.org/newt-direct/newt-gingrich-statement-proposed-“cordoba-house”-mosque-near-ground-zero (http://www.newt.org/newt-direct/newt-gingrich-statement-proposed-“cordoba-house”-mosque-near-ground-zero)
There should be no mosque near Ground Zero in New York so long as there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia. The time for double standards that allow Islamists to behave aggressively toward us while they demand our weakness and submission is over.
Yeah, I'm sure you came up with that yourself.
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http://www.newt.org/newt-direct/newt-gingrich-statement-proposed-“cordoba-house”-mosque-near-ground-zero (http://www.newt.org/newt-direct/newt-gingrich-statement-proposed-“cordoba-house”-mosque-near-ground-zero)
There should be no mosque near Ground Zero in New York so long as there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia. The time for double standards that allow Islamists to behave aggressively toward us while they demand our weakness and submission is over.
I've seen this right-wing talking point repeated elsewhere. Not sure if Gingrich really believes what he is saying, but he knows he needs to pander to the lowest common denominator to build his stock for his Presidential run in '12.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smw9QuH1xkA&feature=player_embedded
This video depicts the double standard that the radical left/islamofacist alliance has. A mosque built by an imam of questionable connections 2 blocks from Ground Zero of all places is ok, but handing out Christian literature on a public street to muslims is not. They had to go 5 blocks away to be legal.
Read and learn something:
http://books.google.com/books?id=azE5qoXTgoAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=unholy+alliance&source=bl&ots=L0uy6KoYB5&sig=v7YVYAZ8F5ZbEgnGKA0l3W2_nyc&hl=en&ei=mqVLTLa3DYK78gaexuQy&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=16&ved=0CFEQ6AEwDw#v=onepage&q&f=false
daisy khan (wife of imam) on Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero: "the building came to us, which goes to show that there is a symbolism there, and that there's a divine hand in it"
So those plane parts from a random plane just happened to damage that building at random or at allah's will?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smw9QuH1xkA&feature=player_embedded
This video depicts the double standard that the radical left/islamofacist alliance has. A mosque built by an imam of questionable connections 2 blocks from Ground Zero of all places is ok, but handing out Christian literature on a public street to muslims is not. They had to go 5 blocks away to be legal.
Read and learn something:
http://books.google.com/books?id=azE5qoXTgoAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=unholy+alliance&source=bl&ots=L0uy6KoYB5&sig=v7YVYAZ8F5ZbEgnGKA0l3W2_nyc&hl=en&ei=mqVLTLa3DYK78gaexuQy&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=16&ved=0CFEQ6AEwDw#v=onepage&q&f=false
daisy khan (wife of imam) on Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero: "the building came to us, which goes to show that there is a symbolism there, and that there's a divine hand in it"
So those plane parts from a random plane just happened to damage that building at random or at allah's will?
It's not really the same situation. I'm sure if the Christians would file suit against the City of Dearborn, MI, they would win. If the supreme court lets Fred Phelps protest veterans' funerals, they would let these guys hand out bibles.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smw9QuH1xkA&feature=player_embedded
This video depicts the double standard that the radical left/islamofacist alliance has. A mosque built by an imam of questionable connections 2 blocks from Ground Zero of all places is ok, but handing out Christian literature on a public street to muslims is not. They had to go 5 blocks away to be legal.
Read and learn something:
http://books.google.com/books?id=azE5qoXTgoAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=unholy+alliance&source=bl&ots=L0uy6KoYB5&sig=v7YVYAZ8F5ZbEgnGKA0l3W2_nyc&hl=en&ei=mqVLTLa3DYK78gaexuQy&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=16&ved=0CFEQ6AEwDw#v=onepage&q&f=false
daisy khan (wife of imam) on Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero: "the building came to us, which goes to show that there is a symbolism there, and that there's a divine hand in it"
So those plane parts from a random plane just happened to damage that building at random or at allah's will?
"Islamic supremacist mega-mosque" who speaks like this? I also wasn't aware that dearborn, mi/ny, ny muslim populations and the radical left were linked.
But I'm sure you'll have some awesome theories or just say you had your tongue in your cheek or I'm a pirate or something. Whatever works for you.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smw9QuH1xkA&feature=player_embedded
This video depicts the double standard that the radical left/islamofacist alliance has. A mosque built by an imam of questionable connections 2 blocks from Ground Zero of all places is ok, but handing out Christian literature on a public street to muslims is not. They had to go 5 blocks away to be legal.
Read and learn something:
http://books.google.com/books?id=azE5qoXTgoAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=unholy+alliance&source=bl&ots=L0uy6KoYB5&sig=v7YVYAZ8F5ZbEgnGKA0l3W2_nyc&hl=en&ei=mqVLTLa3DYK78gaexuQy&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=16&ved=0CFEQ6AEwDw#v=onepage&q&f=false
daisy khan (wife of imam) on Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero: "the building came to us, which goes to show that there is a symbolism there, and that there's a divine hand in it"
So those plane parts from a random plane just happened to damage that building at random or at allah's will?
"Islamic supremacist mega-mosque" who speaks like this? I also wasn't aware that dearborn, mi/ny, ny muslim populations and the radical left were linked.
But I'm sure you'll have some awesome theories or just say you had your tongue in your cheek or I'm a pirate or something. Whatever works for you.
There's apparently a whole lot of things you aren't aware of. Years of killing brain cells with hardcore drugs will do that.
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Sahar on the current Real World New Orleans seems alright. :dunno:
I like it when she makes out with the black guy because I think of opcat.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smw9QuH1xkA&feature=player_embedded
This video depicts the double standard that the radical left/islamofacist alliance has. A mosque built by an imam of questionable connections 2 blocks from Ground Zero of all places is ok, but handing out Christian literature on a public street to muslims is not. They had to go 5 blocks away to be legal.
Read and learn something:
http://books.google.com/books?id=azE5qoXTgoAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=unholy+alliance&source=bl&ots=L0uy6KoYB5&sig=v7YVYAZ8F5ZbEgnGKA0l3W2_nyc&hl=en&ei=mqVLTLa3DYK78gaexuQy&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=16&ved=0CFEQ6AEwDw#v=onepage&q&f=false
daisy khan (wife of imam) on Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero: "the building came to us, which goes to show that there is a symbolism there, and that there's a divine hand in it"
So those plane parts from a random plane just happened to damage that building at random or at allah's will?
Is this post satire, too?
:lol:
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Isn't it a community center with a prayer circle in it or something, not an actual mosque?
Anyways, agree w/ Dax, it's a non-issue. Just let them build whatever they want provided it's legal and they have the money.
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Isn't it a community center with a prayer circle in it or something, not an actual mosque?
Anyways, agree w/ Dax, it's a non-issue. Just let them build whatever they want provided it's legal and they have the money.
I think it may be more a prayer circle with a community center in it, and a jihad memorial all around it. :dunno:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smw9QuH1xkA&feature=player_embedded
This video depicts the double standard that the radical left/islamofacist alliance has. A mosque built by an imam of questionable connections 2 blocks from Ground Zero of all places is ok, but handing out Christian literature on a public street to muslims is not. They had to go 5 blocks away to be legal.
Read and learn something:
http://books.google.com/books?id=azE5qoXTgoAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=unholy+alliance&source=bl&ots=L0uy6KoYB5&sig=v7YVYAZ8F5ZbEgnGKA0l3W2_nyc&hl=en&ei=mqVLTLa3DYK78gaexuQy&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=16&ved=0CFEQ6AEwDw#v=onepage&q&f=false
daisy khan (wife of imam) on Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero: "the building came to us, which goes to show that there is a symbolism there, and that there's a divine hand in it"
So those plane parts from a random plane just happened to damage that building at random or at allah's will?
"Islamic supremacist mega-mosque" who speaks like this? I also wasn't aware that dearborn, mi/ny, ny muslim populations and the radical left were linked.
But I'm sure you'll have some awesome theories or just say you had your tongue in your cheek or I'm a pirate or something. Whatever works for you.
How's that new keyboard working out for you?
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This is a zoning issue, which regulates what can and can't be built in certain areas. There are multiple types of zoning for different areas. The question is not whether these people can practice being a muslim. By not allowing the building of the mosque on a specific site does not infringe on their freedom of religion.
It's that simple. No way is this a Constitution/Bill of Right's issue.
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This is a zoning issue, which regulates what can and can't be built in certain areas. There are multiple types of zoning for different areas. The question is not whether these people can practice being a muslim. By not allowing the building of the mosque on a specific site does not infringe on their freedom of religion.
It's that simple. No way is this a Constitution/Bill of Right's issue.
You would be right if the area were zoned to not allow religious buildings. Unfortunately, it's not. That makes this a Constitution/Bill of Rights issue.
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If it is zoned for no exclusion then the owner of the property can build to city code. The rule of law is followed.
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A mosque meets city code. The owner (the muslims) should be able to build the mosque as it violates no laws or codes. How is this a zoning issue?
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If the mosque is built, it will likely contain numerous hidden microphones and peephole cameras.
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Why pick a side? I hate these mosque builders and anti-mosque builders equally. What a bunch of freaks.
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If it is zoned for no exclusion then the owner of the property can build to city code. The rule of law is followed.
Wrong, I don't think there's a zoning issue. I think what you're thinking of is the local Republicans' efforts to have the old Burlington Coat Warehouse be given landmark status, so it can't be torn down to make room for the building.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smw9QuH1xkA&feature=player_embedded
This video depicts the double standard that the radical left/islamofacist alliance has. A mosque built by an imam of questionable connections 2 blocks from Ground Zero of all places is ok, but handing out Christian literature on a public street to muslims is not. They had to go 5 blocks away to be legal.
Read and learn something:
http://books.google.com/books?id=azE5qoXTgoAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=unholy+alliance&source=bl&ots=L0uy6KoYB5&sig=v7YVYAZ8F5ZbEgnGKA0l3W2_nyc&hl=en&ei=mqVLTLa3DYK78gaexuQy&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=16&ved=0CFEQ6AEwDw#v=onepage&q&f=false
daisy khan (wife of imam) on Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero: "the building came to us, which goes to show that there is a symbolism there, and that there's a divine hand in it"
So those plane parts from a random plane just happened to damage that building at random or at allah's will?
I think they should be acquitted on free speech grounds, but they were squelched by other Christians.
http://www.freep.com/article/20100713/NEWS02/7130318/1001/News/Missionaries-plead-not-guilty-in-festival-case (http://www.freep.com/article/20100713/NEWS02/7130318/1001/News/Missionaries-plead-not-guilty-in-festival-case)
Police said they received a complaint from a Christian volunteer working at the festival June 18 who said members of Acts 17 Apologetics were harassing patrons and a large crowd was gathering.
The group's actions, police said, were a public safety issue because they caused a large number of people to gather in a small space. Police said members of the group were arrested for failing to obey commands of the police.
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Theoretically, wouldn't the mosque make the area safer? Would muslim-extremists go after buildings in the immediate area of the mosque for fear of destroying it? Seems like we need more mosques next to important buildings to me :dunno:
Sahar on the current Real World New Orleans seems alright. :dunno:
I like it when she makes out with the black guy because I think of opcat.
BTW, Sahar is by far the hottest one on there. Pretty big shame she isn't any fun and doesnt get camera time.
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Theoretically, wouldn't the mosque make the area safer? Would muslim-extremists go after buildings in the immediate area of the mosque for fear of destroying it? Seems like we need more mosques next to important buildings to me :dunno:
Sahar on the current Real World New Orleans seems alright. :dunno:
I like it when she makes out with the black guy because I think of opcat.
BTW, Sahar is by far the hottest one on there. Pretty big shame she isn't any fun and doesnt get camera time.
Boringness takes away from any hotness she might have (which isn't much, any would be chalked up to being compared to the others).
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i think the blonde girl, mckenzie is hottest uber alles.
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i think the blonde girl, mckenzie is hottest uber alles.
and she likes to party.
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i think the blonde girl, mckenzie is hottest uber alles.
and she likes to party.
And she's from Jupiter, FL!
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Ooooohhh...look at the shiny object over there!
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i think the blonde girl, mckenzie is hottest uber alles.
and she likes to party.
And she's from Jupiter, FL!
I'm still on Team Sahar (looks only tho, McKenzie's gypsyness makes her way more attractive overall). Other ones are pretty unattractive.
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I have no problem with this becoming the official Real World New Orleans / Ground Zero mosque thread.
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I have no problem with this becoming the official Real World New Orleans / Ground Zero mosque thread.
but will it have a mini bar?
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I have no problem with this becoming the official Real World New Orleans / Ground Zero mosque thread.
but will it have a mini bar?
:excited:
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Glenn beck just used the simpsons for an example of how society demeans the role of the father.
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Glenn beck just used the simpsons for an example of how society demeans the role of the father.
cire's a Beck fanboi now!
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I started a topic on this a while ago, but haven't had a computer in like a f*cking month so I can't really keep up. Anyway, I agree with most people that it's down right embarassing that some people are against building a mosque near ground zero. Why don't we just take the bill of rights and shred it to pieces? Or is that what Obama has been doing for nearly two years now anyway :dunno:
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I started a topic on this a while ago, but haven't had a computer in like a f*cking month so I can't really keep up. Anyway, I agree with most people that it's down right embarassing that some people are against building a mosque near ground zero. Why don't we just take the bill of rights and shred it to pieces? Or is that what Obama has been doing for nearly two years now anyway :dunno:
Examples please.
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If it is zoned for no exclusion then the owner of the property can build to city code. The rule of law is followed.
Wrong, I don't think there's a zoning issue. I think what you're thinking of is the local Republicans' efforts to have the old Burlington Coat Warehouse be given landmark status, so it can't be torn down to make room for the building.
The Landmarks Preservation Commission decided the old building was not a landmark. Full speed ahead!
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If it is zoned for no exclusion then the owner of the property can build to city code. The rule of law is followed.
Wrong, I don't think there's a zoning issue. I think what you're thinking of is the local Republicans' efforts to have the old Burlington Coat Warehouse be given landmark status, so it can't be torn down to make room for the building.
The Landmarks Preservation Commission decided the old building was not a landmark. Full speed ahead!
That's what the imam's buddies said.
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If it is zoned for no exclusion then the owner of the property can build to city code. The rule of law is followed.
Wrong, I don't think there's a zoning issue. I think what you're thinking of is the local Republicans' efforts to have the old Burlington Coat Warehouse be given landmark status, so it can't be torn down to make room for the building.
The Landmarks Preservation Commission decided the old building was not a landmark. Full speed ahead!
That's what the imam's buddies said.
Do you believe that he is somehow supportive of 9/11? I mean Jeffery Goldberg has been pretty adamant about the depressing irony of this campaign.
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/08/if-he-could-bin-laden-would-bomb-the-cordoba-initiative/60833/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/08/if-he-could-bin-laden-would-bomb-the-cordoba-initiative/60833/)
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If it is zoned for no exclusion then the owner of the property can build to city code. The rule of law is followed.
Wrong, I don't think there's a zoning issue. I think what you're thinking of is the local Republicans' efforts to have the old Burlington Coat Warehouse be given landmark status, so it can't be torn down to make room for the building.
The Landmarks Preservation Commission decided the old building was not a landmark. Full speed ahead!
That's what the imam's buddies said.
Do you believe that he is somehow supportive of 9/11? I mean Jeffery Goldberg has been pretty adamant about the depressing irony of this campaign.
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/08/if-he-could-bin-laden-would-bomb-the-cordoba-initiative/60833/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/08/if-he-could-bin-laden-would-bomb-the-cordoba-initiative/60833/)
Ultimately, the Wahabbis would keep bombing people until there was only one person left, since the Wahabbi standing next to him differs in his interpretation of one little thing.
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If it is zoned for no exclusion then the owner of the property can build to city code. The rule of law is followed.
Wrong, I don't think there's a zoning issue. I think what you're thinking of is the local Republicans' efforts to have the old Burlington Coat Warehouse be given landmark status, so it can't be torn down to make room for the building.
The Landmarks Preservation Commission decided the old building was not a landmark. Full speed ahead!
That's what the imam's buddies said.
Do you believe that he is somehow supportive of 9/11? I mean Jeffery Goldberg has been pretty adamant about the depressing irony of this campaign.
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/08/if-he-could-bin-laden-would-bomb-the-cordoba-initiative/60833/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/08/if-he-could-bin-laden-would-bomb-the-cordoba-initiative/60833/)
Ultimately, the Wahabbis would keep bombing people until there was only one person left, since the Wahabbi standing next to him differs in his interpretation of one little thing.
I like wahabbi on my sushi. :lick:
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Well said Bloomberg.
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Here is the full text of New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg's speech following a vote that clears most major hurdles for the construction of a planned mosque and Islamic center near Ground Zero:
Michael Bloomberg
."We have come here to Governors Island to stand where the earliest settlers first set foot in New Amsterdam, and where the seeds of religious tolerance were first planted. We've come here to see the inspiring symbol of liberty that, more than 250 years later, would greet millions of immigrants in the harbor, and we come here to state as strongly as ever – this is the freest City in the world. That's what makes New York special and different and strong.
"Our doors are open to everyone – everyone with a dream and a willingness to work hard and play by the rules. New York City was built by immigrants, and it is sustained by immigrants – by people from more than a hundred different countries speaking more than two hundred different languages and professing every faith. And whether your parents were born here, or you came yesterday, you are a New Yorker.
"We may not always agree with every one of our neighbors. That's life and it's part of living in such a diverse and dense city. But we also recognize that part of being a New Yorker is living with your neighbors in mutual respect and tolerance. It was exactly that spirit of openness and acceptance that was attacked on 9/11.
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"No one should be asked to leave their neighborhood. This is our neighborhood and we've been part of it for 27 years. Our opponents are not from this neighborhood."
Read the full interview with Daisy Khan , one of the organizers of the planned Islamic center near Ground Zero.
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."On that day, 3,000 people were killed because some murderous fanatics didn't want us to enjoy the freedom to profess our own faiths, to speak our own minds, to follow our own dreams and to live our own lives.
"Of all our precious freedoms, the most important may be the freedom to worship as we wish. And it is a freedom that, even here in a City that is rooted in Dutch tolerance, was hard-won over many years. In the mid-1650s, the small Jewish community living in Lower Manhattan petitioned Dutch Governor Peter Stuyvesant for the right to build a synagogue – and they were turned down.
"In 1657, when Stuyvesant also prohibited Quakers from holding meetings, a group of non-Quakers in Queens signed the Flushing Remonstrance, a petition in defense of the right of Quakers and others to freely practice their religion. It was perhaps the first formal, political petition for religious freedom in the American colonies – and the organizer was thrown in jail and then banished from New Amsterdam.
"In the 1700s, even as religious freedom took hold in America, Catholics in New York were effectively prohibited from practicing their religion – and priests could be arrested. Largely as a result, the first Catholic parish in New York City was not established until the 1780's – St. Peter's on Barclay Street, which still stands just one block north of the World Trade Center site and one block south of the proposed mosque and community center.
"This morning, the City's Landmark Preservation Commission unanimously voted not to extend landmark status to the building on Park Place where the mosque and community center are planned. The decision was based solely on the fact that there was little architectural significance to the building. But with or without landmark designation, there is nothing in the law that would prevent the owners from opening a mosque within the existing building. The simple fact is this building is private property, and the owners have a right to use the building as a house of worship.
"The government has no right whatsoever to deny that right – and if it were tried, the courts would almost certainly strike it down as a violation of the U.S. Constitution. Whatever you may think of the proposed mosque and community center, lost in the heat of the debate has been a basic question – should government attempt to deny private citizens the right to build a house of worship on private property based on their particular religion? That may happen in other countries, but we should never allow it to happen here. This nation was founded on the principle that the government must never choose between religions, or favor one over another.
"The World Trade Center Site will forever hold a special place in our City, in our hearts. But we would be untrue to the best part of ourselves – and who we are as New Yorkers and Americans – if we said 'no' to a mosque in Lower Manhattan.
"Let us not forget that Muslims were among those murdered on 9/11 and that our Muslim neighbors grieved with us as New Yorkers and as Americans. We would betray our values – and play into our enemies' hands – if we were to treat Muslims differently than anyone else. In fact, to cave to popular sentiment would be to hand a victory to the terrorists – and we should not stand for that.
"For that reason, I believe that this is an important test of the separation of church and state as we may see in our lifetime – as important a test – and it is critically important that we get it right.
"On September 11, 2001, thousands of first responders heroically rushed to the scene and saved tens of thousands of lives. More than 400 of those first responders did not make it out alive. In rushing into those burning buildings, not one of them asked 'What God do you pray to?' 'What beliefs do you hold?'
"The attack was an act of war – and our first responders defended not only our City but also our country and our Constitution. We do not honor their lives by denying the very Constitutional rights they died protecting. We honor their lives by defending those rights – and the freedoms that the terrorists attacked.
"Of course, it is fair to ask the organizers of the mosque to show some special sensitivity to the situation – and in fact, their plan envisions reaching beyond their walls and building an interfaith community. By doing so, it is my hope that the mosque will help to bring our City even closer together and help repudiate the false and repugnant idea that the attacks of 9/11 were in any way consistent with Islam. Muslims are as much a part of our City and our country as the people of any faith and they are as welcome to worship in Lower Manhattan as any other group. In fact, they have been worshipping at the site for the better part of a year, as is their right.
"The local community board in Lower Manhattan voted overwhelming to support the proposal and if it moves forward, I expect the community center and mosque will add to the life and vitality of the neighborhood and the entire City.
"Political controversies come and go, but our values and our traditions endure – and there is no neighborhood in this City that is off limits to God's love and mercy, as the religious leaders here with us today can attest."
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God/Allah/Yahweh bless America!
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I'm really hoping the pool and gym will be cheap, since the facility will be right near my office. :crossfingers:
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Well said Bloomberg.
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Here is the full text of New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg's speech following a vote that clears most major hurdles for the construction of a planned mosque and Islamic center near Ground Zero:
Michael Bloomberg
."We have come here to Governors Island to stand where the earliest settlers first set foot in New Amsterdam, and where the seeds of religious tolerance were first planted. We've come here to see the inspiring symbol of liberty that, more than 250 years later, would greet millions of immigrants in the harbor, and we come here to state as strongly as ever – this is the freest City in the world. That's what makes New York special and different and strong.
"Our doors are open to everyone – everyone with a dream and a willingness to work hard and play by the rules. New York City was built by immigrants, and it is sustained by immigrants – by people from more than a hundred different countries speaking more than two hundred different languages and professing every faith. And whether your parents were born here, or you came yesterday, you are a New Yorker.
"We may not always agree with every one of our neighbors. That's life and it's part of living in such a diverse and dense city. But we also recognize that part of being a New Yorker is living with your neighbors in mutual respect and tolerance. It was exactly that spirit of openness and acceptance that was attacked on 9/11.
Q&A With Mosque Founder
"No one should be asked to leave their neighborhood. This is our neighborhood and we've been part of it for 27 years. Our opponents are not from this neighborhood."
Read the full interview with Daisy Khan , one of the organizers of the planned Islamic center near Ground Zero.
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."On that day, 3,000 people were killed because some murderous fanatics didn't want us to enjoy the freedom to profess our own faiths, to speak our own minds, to follow our own dreams and to live our own lives.
"Of all our precious freedoms, the most important may be the freedom to worship as we wish. And it is a freedom that, even here in a City that is rooted in Dutch tolerance, was hard-won over many years. In the mid-1650s, the small Jewish community living in Lower Manhattan petitioned Dutch Governor Peter Stuyvesant for the right to build a synagogue – and they were turned down.
"In 1657, when Stuyvesant also prohibited Quakers from holding meetings, a group of non-Quakers in Queens signed the Flushing Remonstrance, a petition in defense of the right of Quakers and others to freely practice their religion. It was perhaps the first formal, political petition for religious freedom in the American colonies – and the organizer was thrown in jail and then banished from New Amsterdam.
"In the 1700s, even as religious freedom took hold in America, Catholics in New York were effectively prohibited from practicing their religion – and priests could be arrested. Largely as a result, the first Catholic parish in New York City was not established until the 1780's – St. Peter's on Barclay Street, which still stands just one block north of the World Trade Center site and one block south of the proposed mosque and community center.
"This morning, the City's Landmark Preservation Commission unanimously voted not to extend landmark status to the building on Park Place where the mosque and community center are planned. The decision was based solely on the fact that there was little architectural significance to the building. But with or without landmark designation, there is nothing in the law that would prevent the owners from opening a mosque within the existing building. The simple fact is this building is private property, and the owners have a right to use the building as a house of worship.
"The government has no right whatsoever to deny that right – and if it were tried, the courts would almost certainly strike it down as a violation of the U.S. Constitution. Whatever you may think of the proposed mosque and community center, lost in the heat of the debate has been a basic question – should government attempt to deny private citizens the right to build a house of worship on private property based on their particular religion? That may happen in other countries, but we should never allow it to happen here. This nation was founded on the principle that the government must never choose between religions, or favor one over another.
"The World Trade Center Site will forever hold a special place in our City, in our hearts. But we would be untrue to the best part of ourselves – and who we are as New Yorkers and Americans – if we said 'no' to a mosque in Lower Manhattan.
"Let us not forget that Muslims were among those murdered on 9/11 and that our Muslim neighbors grieved with us as New Yorkers and as Americans. We would betray our values – and play into our enemies' hands – if we were to treat Muslims differently than anyone else. In fact, to cave to popular sentiment would be to hand a victory to the terrorists – and we should not stand for that.
"For that reason, I believe that this is an important test of the separation of church and state as we may see in our lifetime – as important a test – and it is critically important that we get it right.
"On September 11, 2001, thousands of first responders heroically rushed to the scene and saved tens of thousands of lives. More than 400 of those first responders did not make it out alive. In rushing into those burning buildings, not one of them asked 'What God do you pray to?' 'What beliefs do you hold?'
"The attack was an act of war – and our first responders defended not only our City but also our country and our Constitution. We do not honor their lives by denying the very Constitutional rights they died protecting. We honor their lives by defending those rights – and the freedoms that the terrorists attacked.
"Of course, it is fair to ask the organizers of the mosque to show some special sensitivity to the situation – and in fact, their plan envisions reaching beyond their walls and building an interfaith community. By doing so, it is my hope that the mosque will help to bring our City even closer together and help repudiate the false and repugnant idea that the attacks of 9/11 were in any way consistent with Islam. Muslims are as much a part of our City and our country as the people of any faith and they are as welcome to worship in Lower Manhattan as any other group. In fact, they have been worshipping at the site for the better part of a year, as is their right.
"The local community board in Lower Manhattan voted overwhelming to support the proposal and if it moves forward, I expect the community center and mosque will add to the life and vitality of the neighborhood and the entire City.
"Political controversies come and go, but our values and our traditions endure – and there is no neighborhood in this City that is off limits to God's love and mercy, as the religious leaders here with us today can attest."
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Lazy bitch. At least edit out the crap that doesn't belong with the article.
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Lazy bitch. At least edit out the crap that doesn't belong with the article.
:eek: We agree on something!
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So is Ryan the biggest dick in RW history or what? I would love to see him on a challenge. Those crazy assholes would kick his destroy him the first night
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So is Ryan the biggest dick in RW history or what? I would love to see him on a challenge. Those crazy assholes would kick his destroy him the first night
I wish there'd been a little more clarity on how the roommates knew about the toothbrush piss and the ass cigarettes, and also why the ass cigarettes wasn't blown up more during all that. I think Ryan is pulling a wabashcannonball. Also, wasn't impressed with Sahar in her first star turn.
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So is Ryan the biggest dick in RW history or what? I would love to see him on a challenge. Those crazy assholes would kick his destroy him the first night
I wish there'd been a little more clarity on how the roommates knew about the toothbrush piss and the ass cigarettes, and also why the ass cigarettes wasn't blown up more during all that. I think Ryan is pulling a wabashcannonball. Also, wasn't impressed with Sahar in her first star turn.
Yea, the ass cigarettes perplexed me as well. It was hilarious to see Ryan talk about how he was going to beat the crap out of Preston though and is storming around outside the house for a while just to lightly shove him twice. Knight was great there as well, fully knowing there is 0% chance Ryan hits Preston
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MONDAY'S GREGALOGUE: MY NEW GAY BAR
So, the Muslim investors championing the construction of the new mosque near Ground Zero claim it's all about strengthening the relationship between the Muslim and non-Muslim world.
As an American, I believe they have every right to build the mosque - after all, if they buy the land and they follow the law - who can stop them?
Which is, why, in the spirit of outreach, I've decided to do the same thing.
I'm announcing tonight, that I am planning to build and open the first gay bar that caters not only to the west, but also Islamic gay men. To best express my sincere desire for dialogue, the bar will be situated next to the mosque Park51, in an available commercial space.
This is not a joke. I've already spoken to a number of investors, who have pledged their support in this bipartisan bid for understanding and tolerance.
As you know, the Muslim faith doesn't look kindly upon homosexuality, which is why I'm building this bar. It is an effort to break down barriers and reduce deadly homophobia in the Islamic world.
The goal, however, is not simply to open a typical gay bar, but one friendly to men of Islamic faith. An entire floor, for example, will feature non-alcoholic drinks, since booze is forbidden by the faith. The bar will be open all day and night, to accommodate men who would rather keep their sexuality under wraps - but still want to dance.
Bottom line: I hope that the mosque owners will be as open to the bar, as I am to the new mosque. After all, the belief driving them to open up their center near Ground Zero, is no different than mine.
My place, however, will have better music.
For investment information, contact me at dailygut.com
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http://www.dailygut.com/?i=4696
MONDAY'S GREGALOGUE: MY NEW GAY BAR
So, the Muslim investors championing the construction of the new mosque near Ground Zero claim it's all about strengthening the relationship between the Muslim and non-Muslim world.
As an American, I believe they have every right to build the mosque - after all, if they buy the land and they follow the law - who can stop them?
Which is, why, in the spirit of outreach, I've decided to do the same thing.
I'm announcing tonight, that I am planning to build and open the first gay bar that caters not only to the west, but also Islamic gay men. To best express my sincere desire for dialogue, the bar will be situated next to the mosque Park51, in an available commercial space.
This is not a joke. I've already spoken to a number of investors, who have pledged their support in this bipartisan bid for understanding and tolerance.
As you know, the Muslim faith doesn't look kindly upon homosexuality, which is why I'm building this bar. It is an effort to break down barriers and reduce deadly homophobia in the Islamic world.
The goal, however, is not simply to open a typical gay bar, but one friendly to men of Islamic faith. An entire floor, for example, will feature non-alcoholic drinks, since booze is forbidden by the faith. The bar will be open all day and night, to accommodate men who would rather keep their sexuality under wraps - but still want to dance.
Bottom line: I hope that the mosque owners will be as open to the bar, as I am to the new mosque. After all, the belief driving them to open up their center near Ground Zero, is no different than mine.
My place, however, will have better music.
For investment information, contact me at dailygut.com
finally, right wingers are embracing their homo urges.
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http://www.dailygut.com/?i=4696
MONDAY'S GREGALOGUE: MY NEW GAY BAR
So, the Muslim investors championing the construction of the new mosque near Ground Zero claim it's all about strengthening the relationship between the Muslim and non-Muslim world.
As an American, I believe they have every right to build the mosque - after all, if they buy the land and they follow the law - who can stop them?
Which is, why, in the spirit of outreach, I've decided to do the same thing.
I'm announcing tonight, that I am planning to build and open the first gay bar that caters not only to the west, but also Islamic gay men. To best express my sincere desire for dialogue, the bar will be situated next to the mosque Park51, in an available commercial space.
This is not a joke. I've already spoken to a number of investors, who have pledged their support in this bipartisan bid for understanding and tolerance.
As you know, the Muslim faith doesn't look kindly upon homosexuality, which is why I'm building this bar. It is an effort to break down barriers and reduce deadly homophobia in the Islamic world.
The goal, however, is not simply to open a typical gay bar, but one friendly to men of Islamic faith. An entire floor, for example, will feature non-alcoholic drinks, since booze is forbidden by the faith. The bar will be open all day and night, to accommodate men who would rather keep their sexuality under wraps - but still want to dance.
Bottom line: I hope that the mosque owners will be as open to the bar, as I am to the new mosque. After all, the belief driving them to open up their center near Ground Zero, is no different than mine.
My place, however, will have better music.
For investment information, contact me at dailygut.com
Incredible that this has been labeled as clever by the Neocons. Not terribly surprising, but incredible nonetheless.
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http://www.dailygut.com/?i=4696
MONDAY'S GREGALOGUE: MY NEW GAY BAR
So, the Muslim investors championing the construction of the new mosque near Ground Zero claim it's all about strengthening the relationship between the Muslim and non-Muslim world.
As an American, I believe they have every right to build the mosque - after all, if they buy the land and they follow the law - who can stop them?
Which is, why, in the spirit of outreach, I've decided to do the same thing.
I'm announcing tonight, that I am planning to build and open the first gay bar that caters not only to the west, but also Islamic gay men. To best express my sincere desire for dialogue, the bar will be situated next to the mosque Park51, in an available commercial space.
This is not a joke. I've already spoken to a number of investors, who have pledged their support in this bipartisan bid for understanding and tolerance.
As you know, the Muslim faith doesn't look kindly upon homosexuality, which is why I'm building this bar. It is an effort to break down barriers and reduce deadly homophobia in the Islamic world.
The goal, however, is not simply to open a typical gay bar, but one friendly to men of Islamic faith. An entire floor, for example, will feature non-alcoholic drinks, since booze is forbidden by the faith. The bar will be open all day and night, to accommodate men who would rather keep their sexuality under wraps - but still want to dance.
Bottom line: I hope that the mosque owners will be as open to the bar, as I am to the new mosque. After all, the belief driving them to open up their center near Ground Zero, is no different than mine.
My place, however, will have better music.
For investment information, contact me at dailygut.com
Incredible that this has been labeled as clever by the Neocons. Not terribly surprising, but incredible nonetheless.
Power to them I guess. Doesn't sound like a very good business plan, but yeah, sure, build it.
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Sounds like Dennis Miller last week. Was hoping the Naked Cowboy, the guys that hand out porno on the street, and non-stop car alarms greet the mosque. New York in all its glory!
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Sounds like Dennis Miller last week. Was hoping the Naked Cowboy, the guys that hand out porno on the street, and non-stop car alarms greet the mosque. New York in all its glory!
There's already a strip club across the street. :dunno:
http://www.nydollsclub.com/
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It's honestly kind of scary how some people view Muslims. How many of you actually know a Muslim, in real life?
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It's honestly kind of scary how some people view Muslims. How many of you actually know a Muslim, in real life?
what would you expect from "America's Heartland"
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Do converted Muslims count?
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It's honestly kind of scary how some people view Muslims. How many of you actually know a Muslim, in real life?
I know three. And all I'll say is that two of the three think it's a bad idea to do this. The third thinks that people will accept the Islamic faith once it opens and people can see what true Islam is about - peace.
I don't care one way or the other if its built. I don't know anywhere in the Bible it says this would be a problem.
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Do converted Muslims count?
Yea, sure.
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Do converted Muslims count?
Yea, sure.
Converted to? or Converted from?
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Do converted Muslims count?
Yea, sure.
Converted to? or Converted from?
Um if they "converted from" would they be a Muslim? :confused:
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Do converted Muslims count?
Yea, sure.
Converted to? or Converted from?
Um if they "converted from" would they be a Muslim? :confused:
According to many, if not all, interpretations of islam, once a muslim, always a muslim.
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Do converted Muslims count?
Yea, sure.
Converted to? or Converted from?
Um if they "converted from" would they be a Muslim? :confused:
According to many, if not all, interpretations of islam, once a muslim, always a muslim.
Yeah. I'm talking about the usefulness of the word in relation to that individual's point of view.