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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: steve dave on February 22, 2024, 10:44:54 PM
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I'll go on record as saying that organized religion has been a horrific thing for the civilized world but that ALSO it would be replaced by some other bullshit tribalism if it wasn't religion so maybe it was just the placeholder. But holy crap a huge portion the Christian population has pivoted really quick to backing this stuff.
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1760884554112626845
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As evidenced by that clip, a lot of the horrible things attributed to (modern) organized religion are, in fact, tribalism completely divorced from any principled religious beliefs.
It’s already been said here and plenty other places, but if Jesus came back today they’d crucify him again as a sacrilegious immigrant loving communist.
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As evidenced by that clip, a lot of the horrible things attributed to (modern) organized religion are, in fact, tribalism completely divorced from any principled religious beliefs.
It’s already been said here and plenty other places, but if Jesus came back today they’d crucify him again as a sacrilegious immigrant loving communist.
He's a rrrradical. He's a communist, folks! On day one ...
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From an outsider's perspective, modern Christianity appears to be the cultivation of a group of folks who all present a pavlovian response to the word "God" along with wanting to see others do worse and suffer. Maybe I am wrong. :dunno:
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From an outsider's perspective, modern Christianity appears to be the cultivation of a group of folks who all present a pavlovian response to the word "God" along with wanting to see others do worse and suffer. Maybe I am wrong. :dunno:
No, I believe that's directionally accurate
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From an outsider's perspective, modern Christianity appears to be the cultivation of a group of folks who all present a pavlovian response to the word "God" along with wanting to see others do worse and suffer. Maybe I am wrong. :dunno:
You’re not wrong if you’re talking about the part of the Venn Diagram where politicians and Christianity overlap.
Modern politics is pretty much inherently ostracizing, and where those politicians espouse Christian beliefs (which they practically have to given our country’s history), then you end up with using God as another weapon to separate the insiders and outsiders.
I’d push back on the argument that that’s the inevitable result of Christianity itself, though. There are definitely organized religions that have officially sanctioned atrocities (holy crap Jews and Muslims…maybe Catholics if you add any papal decree as official), but for plain old biblical Christians there isn’t much to point at.
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From an outsider's perspective, modern Christianity appears to be the cultivation of a group of folks who all present a pavlovian response to the word "God" along with wanting to see others do worse and suffer. Maybe I am wrong. :dunno:
You’re not wrong if you’re talking about the part of the Venn Diagram where politicians and Christianity overlap.
Modern politics is pretty much inherently ostracizing, and where those politicians espouse Christian beliefs (which they practically have to given our country’s history), then you end up with using God as another weapon to separate the insiders and outsiders.
I’d push back on the argument that that’s the inevitable result of Christianity itself, though. There are definitely organized religions that have officially sanctioned atrocities (holy crap Jews and Muslims…maybe Catholics if you add any papal decree as official), but for plain old biblical Christians there isn’t much to point at.
History is full of atrocities committed by Christians for Christ, against not just other religions but against Christians themselves. Let’s take a look at some of them, shall we?
11. Central African Republic Genocide (2012 – Present)
This is an ongoing conflict, and it’s my first go-to when I need to shut down a teabagger on a rail. While the UN hasn’t called it a genocide yet, Reuters acknowledges that what the Christians are doing is ethnic cleansing against a Muslim minority. The conflict is very much one of Christians working to expel Muslims from the country, and by all accounts, they’ve been very successful so far.
10. Bosnian Genocide (1992 – 1995)
I vaguely remember this genocide, but it’s worth noting because of how the pieces fell. There isn’t a huge language distinction; Serbian, Bosnian, and Croat are part of a dialect continuum. The difference is in the religion; Bosnian Serbs are Orthodox, while Bosnia Muslims were, well, Muslims. And that was what got them targeted during the collapse of the former Yugoslav Republic. The term “Ethnic Cleansing” gets thrown around to describe this one, too, and it was an extremely effective example of one (which is why it coined the term) — one of the worst ones in Europe since the Holocaust targeted everyone outside the Nazi paradigm for the ideal state. Speaking of which …
9. The Holocaust (1933 – 1942)
Make no mistake, there were Christian collaborators with the Holocaust. The real kicker, though, is knowing that the Holocaust didn’t happen in a vacuum. In many ways, the Holocaust was the child of centuries of Christian Antisemitism in Europe. “Christ Killer” is a common Christian slur thrown at Jewish people, and the Blood Libel didn’t come from Muslims, it came from Christians. Martin Luther, the father of Protestantism, was a raging anti-Semite; in addition to his theses, he also wrote a book called On The Jews and Their Lies. While the religious outlook of the Nazis is questionable, what’s not in question is that centuries of Christian Antisemitism allowed it to happen.
8. The Pogroms (1881 – 1884; 1903 – 1906; 1917 -1921)
While I’m talking about Jewish abuse at the hands of Christians, let’s discuss the Pogroms. Pogrom is from Pogromit, a Russian verb meaning “to create a desert.” The Pogroms were a series of violent attacks carried out against the Jews by the Christians in Russia and Poland over the dates listed. The 1880s pogrom was triggered by anti-Jewish propaganda that the czar had been assassinated by Jews. Notice the date for the last one: 1921, and note how close that is to 1933; the pogroms were fresh on the mind of the Nazis when they seized power.
7. American Slavery (c. 1619 – 1865)
American slavery is a special beast; when you discuss slavery, you have to do it while acknowledging that American Slavery is a superior brand of evil. While all slavery is wrong, there was something perversely worse about American Slavery that, up to that point in history, makes it stand out. It’s that American Exceptionalism I keep hearing about. During the era in the lead up to the Civil War, both pro- and anti-slavery advocates threw Bible verses at one another, but the pro-slavery advocates where coming at it from a stronger position if they considered themselves “Biblical literalists”. In fact, some have argued that the notion of “Biblical Literalism” sprang up in defense of Slavery — meaning that the slave holding mentality is still with us to this day every time someone “takes the Bible literally” to defend Creationism or bash LGBT+ folk.
6. Native American Cultural Cleansing (c. 1500s – c. 1800s)
It’s no secret that Christians did everything they could to eradicate the Native American traditions via boarding schools. You might just live in an alternative reality if you deny that. In 1872, the “Christanizaiton” of the Native Americans was still ongoing. Early Christian colonists referred to them as “devils” and “heathens,” and ever since the first Catholic Spaniard set foot in the New World, were working to wipe any last trace of their culture from the face of the world. And this is to say nothing of the brutality they visited on Native Americans in the form of violence and murder.
5. Thirty Years’ War (1618 – 1648)
The Thirty Years’ War led to the Treaty of Westphalia, which is the single genesis for the modern state as we know it. But the Thirty Years’ War is also known for being one of the bloodiest religious wars in Europe’s history, when Catholics and Protestants turned their blades on one another and decimated a full 20-40% of Europe’s population. There were witch hunts and mass burnings throughout Germany, and the period is generally regarded as the peak of European Witch Hunting, itself another popular Christian pastime. About the same time, Catholics sacked the city of Magdeburg and slew about 30,000 Protestants; according to the poet Fredrich Shiller, “In a single church fifty women were found beheaded, and infants still sucking the breasts of their lifeless mothers.”
4. The Inquisition (c. 1100 to Present)
I know what you’re thinking — to the present? Yep. The Office of the Inquisition still exists today; in 1965 they made it the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. They stopped their formal Inquisition duties sometime after the Napoleonic Wars, but up until that time, the Inquisition was in full swing, hunting down Jews, Heretics, and Witches. There were actually several Inquisitions, but the most famous is the Spanish Inquisition, whose brutality needs no introduction. When you think of Christian violence in the name of Christ, there’s a reason the horrors of the Inquisition spring to mind first.
3. The Albigensian Crusade (1209-1229)
The Albigensian Crusade happened in Southern France and was an effort of the early Church to stamp out a competing ideology — in this case, Catharism. It ran from 1209 to 1229, spanning 20 brutal years. At heart, Catharism was a form of gnosticism, and was labeled a Manichean heresy by the church. It kick-started with the Massacre at Béziers, where the Church massacred the entire population.
2. The First and Second Crusade (1096 – 1102; 1147 – 1149)
I’m listing the First and Second Crusade here for another reason than the typical one. Right wing Christians like to claim that the Crusades were a “defensive” conflict, which is all well and good, but it overlooks the violence done against Jewish people in Europe at that time — executed, of course, by Christians. After all, the Christians were liberating the Holy Land from the “Christ Killers,” which, if you look above, I noted is a common slur against Jewish people. There was plenty of violence in political cluster that would later become Germany, for example. Accusations of ritual murder flourished and brutal religious violence was the retort; the Rhineland Massacres were just some examples of it.
1. Hypatia and the Library at Alexandria (415)
Hypatia was the last librarian at the Library of Alexandria. She incurred the wrath of a Christian Preacher named Peter; one day, on her way to the Library, Peter and a mob of hysterical Christians ambushed her and flayed her alive. They then proceeded to burn down the greatest reservoir of knowledge in the Classical World up to that point, performing what Carl Sagan described as “radical brain surgery.” Hypaita wasn’t the first pagan that Christians killed; in 356, Pagan ceremonies were punishable by death in Christian kingdoms, and Christian Emperor Theodosius would decree that children playing with pagan statues should be executed.
But Wait, There’s More …
This list is far from exhaustive, you can find more here. I didn’t even touch on the Catholic-sponsored Death Camps in Vietnam. I instead tried to call attention to some of the lesser known instances, as well shine a light on some of the better known ones. It’s important to remember that no one religion has a claim on moral superiority, but anyone claiming that Christianity is less violent than Islam is a graduate from the David Barton school of Alternative History World building.
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Well the Crusades were what I had in mind when I said Catholic atrocities (which I'd also say were political). Lacking the historical chops to know all the rest of these, were any non-political?
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Well the Crusades were what I had in mind when I said Catholic atrocities (which I'd also say were political). Lacking the historical chops to know all the rest of these, were any non-political?
I am pretty sure Christianity has always been political. I think to look at it separated from politics would be removing one of it's primary and original uses. Again, maybe I am wrong. :dunno:
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Well the Crusades were what I had in mind when I said Catholic atrocities (which I'd also say were political). Lacking the historical chops to know all the rest of these, were any non-political?
I am pretty sure Christianity has always been political. I think to look at it separated from politics would be removing one of it's primary and original uses. Again, maybe I am wrong. :dunno:
I have no issue with good Christians like apparently cat is. I just wish there were more of them.
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Well the Crusades were what I had in mind when I said Catholic atrocities (which I'd also say were political). Lacking the historical chops to know all the rest of these, were any non-political?
I am pretty sure Christianity has always been political. I think to look at it separated from politics would be removing one of it's primary and original uses. Again, maybe I am wrong. :dunno:
I have no issue with good Christians like apparently cat is. I just wish there were more of them.
Good people are great!
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Well the Crusades were what I had in mind when I said Catholic atrocities (which I'd also say were political). Lacking the historical chops to know all the rest of these, were any non-political?
I am pretty sure Christianity has always been political. I think to look at it separated from politics would be removing one of it's primary and original uses. Again, maybe I am wrong. :dunno:
I have no issue with good Christians like apparently cat is. I just wish there were more of them.
Good people are great!
BTW, I agree with you about the history of Christianity. But if someone just wants to find a relationship with a higher power, who am I to judge? However, we should be advanced enough by now to know the religion and politics should not be intertwined. See, e.g., Mike "Moses" Johnson.
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Well the Crusades were what I had in mind when I said Catholic atrocities (which I'd also say were political). Lacking the historical chops to know all the rest of these, were any non-political?
I am pretty sure Christianity has always been political. I think to look at it separated from politics would be removing one of it's primary and original uses. Again, maybe I am wrong. :dunno:
I have no issue with good Christians like apparently cat is. I just wish there were more of them.
Good people are great!
BTW, I agree with you about the history of Christianity. But if someone just wants to find a relationship with a higher power, who am I to judge? However, we should be advanced enough by now to know the religion and politics should not be intertwined. See, e.g., Mike "Moses" Johnson.
We are in agreement on people. However, regarding our advancement, the trendline is the opposite of what it should be and makes me feel more militant rather than less about the topic in whole.
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Believe me, I see the creeping Christian Nationalism, and it is very much a concern.
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Well the Crusades were what I had in mind when I said Catholic atrocities (which I'd also say were political). Lacking the historical chops to know all the rest of these, were any non-political?
I am pretty sure Christianity has always been political. I think to look at it separated from politics would be removing one of it's primary and original uses. Again, maybe I am wrong. :dunno:
I haven't done a deep dive into this, but I have definitely studied the history a bit. I have never thought of Christianity as being politicized until probably Constantine. Until that point I don't think there was any power to be gained by identifying as a Christian. Most of it was practiced underground and their leadership was imprisoned and/or executed at a pretty high rate.
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Well the Crusades were what I had in mind when I said Catholic atrocities (which I'd also say were political). Lacking the historical chops to know all the rest of these, were any non-political?
I am pretty sure Christianity has always been political. I think to look at it separated from politics would be removing one of it's primary and original uses. Again, maybe I am wrong. :dunno:
I haven't done a deep dive into this, but I have definitely studied the history a bit. I have never thought of Christianity as being politicized until probably Constantine. Until that point I don't think there was any power to be gained by identifying as a Christian. Most of it was practiced underground and their leadership was imprisoned and/or executed at a pretty high rate.
Ok. And the last 1,700 years?
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It became widely spread, wildly popular, and exploited by politicians. :dunno:
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Believe me, I see the creeping Christian Nationalism, and it is very much a concern.
They are aging out though.
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Please post links to this "Creeping Christian Nationalism" so I can see specific examples of what #blueanongE is talking about and determine if it's just more paranoia and rage because someone doesn't agree with the politics and societal "norms" that fascistic and closed minded #blueanon demands at every turn.
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There are plenty of Christians who sacrifice their finances and time for others. They treat others with dignity and respect, regardless of race, religion, orientation, etc. I believe many people are just trying to be decent human beings, not wage holy wars.
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There are plenty of Christians who sacrifice their finances and time for others. They treat others with dignity and respect, regardless of race, religion, orientation, etc. I believe many people are just trying to be decent human beings, not wage holy wars.
Yes. Also plenty that for some reason worship Donald Trump
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I'd like to state the obvious....Donald Trump does not give two fucks about Jesus Christ.
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There are millions of Christians who are Democrats and they'll sadly once again vote for one of the biggest racist war mongering corrupt pedophiles to ever occupy the White House. A person whose 50 year career in Washington has seen him help send millions to their deaths, displace additional millions as refugees, be up to his eyelids in corruption and generally just being a total sex creep . . . among many things.
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sounds good dax
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I am sure SteveDave appreciated one of Joe's latest stunts, when he hoped on AF1 flew down to SC and enacted a scene that could only be described as something that would have appeared on the Chappelle Show.
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#stevedave and #blueanongE - Standing tall with uber corrupt racist war monger pedophiles . . . as long as they don't think they're a "Christian Nationalist" or supported by "Christian Nationalists". :thumbsup:
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I'd like to state the obvious....Donald Trump does not give two fucks about Jesus Christ.
well he does to the extent JC makes people idiots who will elect him even though he doesn't give 2 fucks about JC
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Christian Nationalists . . . a community of hundreds
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There are plenty of Christians who sacrifice their finances and time for others. They treat others with dignity and respect, regardless of race, religion, orientation, etc. I believe many people are just trying to be decent human beings, not wage holy wars.
Yes. Also plenty that for some reason worship Donald Trump
I will NEVER understand this. I don't think it's any secret the US is becoming more persuadable and unintelligent by the minute. Many schools have essentially removed critical thinking from education in order to pass tests to secure funding. Also, the internet / social media is an EXTREMELY powerful medium.
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There are plenty of Christians who sacrifice their finances and time for others. They treat others with dignity and respect, regardless of race, religion, orientation, etc. I believe many people are just trying to be decent human beings, not wage holy wars.
Yes. Also plenty that for some reason worship Donald Trump
I will NEVER understand this. I don't think it's any secret the US is becoming more persuadable and unintelligent by the minute. Many schools have essentially removed critical thinking from education in order to pass tests to secure funding. Also, the internet / social media is an EXTREMELY powerful medium.
The areas that are removing standards the fastest are dominated by (D) Democrat politicians.
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There are plenty of Christians who sacrifice their finances and time for others. They treat others with dignity and respect, regardless of race, religion, orientation, etc. I believe many people are just trying to be decent human beings, not wage holy wars.
Yes. Also plenty that for some reason worship Donald Trump
I will NEVER understand this. I don't think it's any secret the US is becoming more persuadable and unintelligent by the minute. Many schools have essentially removed critical thinking from education in order to pass tests to secure funding. Also, the internet / social media is an EXTREMELY powerful medium.
The areas that are removing standards the fastest are dominated by (D) Democrat politicians.
I'm a fence sitting centrist who can lean either direction depending on the topic. I'm saddened by my choices on both sides.
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There are plenty of Christians who sacrifice their finances and time for others. They treat others with dignity and respect, regardless of race, religion, orientation, etc. I believe many people are just trying to be decent human beings, not wage holy wars.
Yes. Also plenty that for some reason worship Donald Trump
I will NEVER understand this. I don't think it's any secret the US is becoming more persuadable and unintelligent by the minute. Many schools have essentially removed critical thinking from education in order to pass tests to secure funding. Also, the internet / social media is an EXTREMELY powerful medium.
Most of the people who worship Trump haven't been in a school for more than 40 years, so I wouldn't put the blame there.
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There are plenty of Christians who sacrifice their finances and time for others. They treat others with dignity and respect, regardless of race, religion, orientation, etc. I believe many people are just trying to be decent human beings, not wage holy wars.
Yes. Also plenty that for some reason worship Donald Trump
I will NEVER understand this. I don't think it's any secret the US is becoming more persuadable and unintelligent by the minute. Many schools have essentially removed critical thinking from education in order to pass tests to secure funding. Also, the internet / social media is an EXTREMELY powerful medium.
Most of the people who worship Trump haven't been in a school for more than 40 years, so I wouldn't put the blame there.
Either haven't been or are now prevented of being within 1000 yards by court order.
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No matter the topic . . . all roads lead back to Don Trump for #blueanongE
Mea culpa for biting.
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I think it's pretty safe to say that critical thinking wasn't ever a strength of the people.
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The legacy of the Democratic party is one of legions upon legions of deep thinkers. :lol: :lol:
Feelings and emotions are not deep thoughts.
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We all have our golden calves/idols. Pete is absolutely right about Trump.
Idols are a fascinating topic of their own.
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The legacy of the Democratic party is one of legions upon legions of deep thinkers. :lol: :lol:
Feelings and emotions are not deep thoughts.
The trick was always about making it "us" vs "them". There are plenty of fairly intelligent and unintelligent people on both sides. I hope someday for leadership that strives to find common ground, and lift expectations. This country is best when we try to work together.
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The legacy of the Democratic party is one of legions upon legions of deep thinkers. :lol: :lol:
Feelings and emotions are not deep thoughts.
The trick was always about making it "us" vs "them". There are plenty of fairly intelligent and unintelligent people on both sides. I hope someday for leadership that strives to find common ground, and lift expectations. This country is best when we try to work together.
Hegelian dialectic
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The eff Your Feelings crowd is very heavily tied to religion. What is faith if not a feeling?
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I think it's pretty safe to say that critical thinking wasn't ever a strength of the people.
Yeah you’d think things like blatant racism were always fixable with critical thinking. I think our modern era has just made us more aware of how ignorant a lot of people are.
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The eff Your Feelings crowd is very heavily tied to religion. What is faith if not a feeling?
Beliefs aren’t feelings.
Like I don’t have a feeling that the Earth is round but I believe it despite not having done anything to independently verify it.
The only difference between that and faith (at least in my mind) is that faith is a belief that is basically incapable of scientific proof.
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The eff Your Feelings crowd is very heavily tied to religion. What is faith if not a feeling?
Beliefs aren’t feelings.
Like I don’t have a feeling that the Earth is round but I believe it despite not having done anything to independently verify it.
The only difference between that and faith (at least in my mind) is that faith is a belief that is basically incapable of scientific proof.
This is interesting to me, as one of the faithless. Sometimes I wonder if people have a hard time discussing differences due to the inability to agree on definitions, terms, etc.
Does people's faith not come with feeling? Do believers not feel god in their life? If not, I really don't get it(I already don't get it, and that's ok).
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The eff Your Feelings crowd is very heavily tied to religion. What is faith if not a feeling?
Nailed it
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Man the co-mingling over the last few posts is so positively spot on. :thumbsup:
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The eff Your Feelings crowd is very heavily tied to religion. What is faith if not a feeling?
Beliefs aren’t feelings.
Like I don’t have a feeling that the Earth is round but I believe it despite not having done anything to independently verify it.
The only difference between that and faith (at least in my mind) is that faith is a belief that is basically incapable of scientific proof.
This is interesting to me, as one of the faithless. Sometimes I wonder if people have a hard time discussing differences due to the inability to agree on definitions, terms, etc.
Does people's faith not come with feeling? Do believers not feel god in their life? If not, I really don't get it(I already don't get it, and that's ok).
I think every belief comes with some feeling. And I certainly think people’s faith is influenced by their feelings, but they’re not the same thing. Faith is a choice.
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It's not that the West no longer wants to believe in God, but that it can't even believe anymore: It's a dead rose. nihilism is so widespread, through a sort of liberal-type social engineering (individualism, secularization, etc.) going on 200 years, that they can only have faith/trust in nothing. As Bauman writes & demonstrates in his book "Liquid Modernity", the West doesn't even believe in a utopian vision anymore, that which was the foundation of secular modernity.
~Ciarán Ó Murchadha
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The eff Your Feelings crowd is very heavily tied to religion. What is faith if not a feeling?
Beliefs aren’t feelings.
Like I don’t have a feeling that the Earth is round but I believe it despite not having done anything to independently verify it.
The only difference between that and faith (at least in my mind) is that faith is a belief that is basically incapable of scientific proof.
I mean, if you've opened a textbook and spent like 30 seconds thinking about the argument it presents, you've done every independent thing you need to do to verify the earth is round.
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The eff Your Feelings crowd is very heavily tied to religion. What is faith if not a feeling?
Beliefs aren’t feelings.
Like I don’t have a feeling that the Earth is round but I believe it despite not having done anything to independently verify it.
The only difference between that and faith (at least in my mind) is that faith is a belief that is basically incapable of scientific proof.
I mean, if you've opened a textbook and spent like 30 seconds thinking about the argument it presents, you've done every independent thing you need to do to verify the earth is round.
See, people saying things like this with such confidence is exactly why I don’t feel any need to do the work myself.
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I will admit that my beliefs and my faith get blurred from time to time. Like I have an unflinching belief in the laws of gravity bc I’ve only ever seen that those laws cannot be broken and must therefore be the way things are.
But when astronomers tell me oh yeah there’s a black hole 1500 light years away swallowing up galaxies like gang busters, like, don’t get me wrong I believe that’s true, but I admit I am taking it on faith.
I suppose an important distinction is you won’t find me using "a black hole 1500 light years away" as justification for eradicating entire groups of the population.
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To me, the most mind boggling aspect today is the disregard for the First Amendment. The people who not only clearly believe that the US should be a much more devout Christian nation, but also that the GOVERNMENT should be making that happen.
It's the same level of crazy as the people who say they're done with democracy in the US.
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I suppose an important distinction is you won’t find me using "a black hole 1500 light years away" as justification for eradicating entire groups of the population.
Not the best litmus test to determine the difference between faith and belief, but a great way to know whether you’re an bad person.
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To me, the most mind boggling aspect today is the disregard for the First Amendment. The people who not only clearly believe that the US should be a much more devout Christian nation, but also that the GOVERNMENT should be making that happen.
It's the same level of crazy as the people who say they're done with democracy in the US.
We're definitely going to be getting out at the right time. In 40 years this place is going to be a crap hole.
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I suppose an important distinction is you won’t find me using "a black hole 1500 light years away" as justification for eradicating entire groups of the population.
Not the best litmus test to determine the difference between faith and belief, but a great way to know whether you’re an bad person.
Specific to that example, I'm quite certain it's fair to say that if you support an ethnic cleansing -- no matter what the reason -- you are an bad person
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To me, the most mind boggling aspect today is the disregard for the First Amendment. The people who not only clearly believe that the US should be a much more devout Christian nation, but also that the GOVERNMENT should be making that happen.
It's the same level of crazy as the people who say they're done with democracy in the US.
We're definitely going to be getting out at the right time. In 40 years this place is going to be a crap hole.
I will probably still be here for it, but I will be sure to close the door on the way out.
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We're definitely going to be getting out at the right time. In 40 years this place is going to be a crap hole.
Said members of every generation in probably ever.
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A new study from Pew Research finds that the religiously unaffiliated – a group comprised of atheists, agnostic and those who say their religion is "nothing in particular" – is now the largest cohort in the U.S. They're more prevalent among American adults than Catholics (23%) or evangelical Protestants (24%).
He says the growth of Nones could affect American public life.
"We know politically for example," Smith says, "that religious Nones are very distinctive. They are among the most strongly and consistently liberal and Democratic constituencies in the United States."
And that could change electoral politics in the coming decades.
The political power of white Evangelicals has been well-reported in recent decades, but their numbers are shrinking while the number of the more liberal Nones is on the rise.
https://www.npr.org/2024/01/24/1226371734/religious-nones-are-now-the-largest-single-group-in-the-u-s#:~:text=Natacha%20Pisarenko%2FAP-,Religiously%20unaffiliated%20people%20now%20make%20up%2028%25%20of%20U.S.%20adults,than%20Catholics%20or%20evangelical%20Protestants.&text=When%20Americans%20are%20asked%20to,28%25%20now%20check%20'none.
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The thing is, us Nones have other things that we prioritize, rather than one unifying cause. I say that while understanding that not all Christians vote primarily for religious ideals, but a lot do. A lot are swayed by them at very least. For this reason, us Nones are probably going to be harder to organize as a voting block.
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More on the “Nones”
Our survey data shows:
Most “nones” believe in God or another higher power. But very few go to religious services regularly.
Most say religion does some harm, but many also think it does some good. They are not uniformly anti-religious.
Most “nones” reject the idea that science can explain everything. But they express more positive views of science than religiously affiliated Americans do.
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https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2024/01/24/religious-nones-in-america-who-they-are-and-what-they-believe/
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This one was done in 2022, but it accurately predicted the continued growth of “Nones” through today. The models show possibility of “Nones” as the majority in the US by 2070.
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https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/09/13/modeling-the-future-of-religion-in-america/
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Welp, I won’t get to see it, I guess.
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Welp, I won’t get to see it, I guess.
Me neither, I don’t come from long-lived people.
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A new study from Pew Research finds that the religiously unaffiliated – a group comprised of atheists, agnostic and those who say their religion is "nothing in particular" – is now the largest cohort in the U.S. They're more prevalent among American adults than Catholics (23%) or evangelical Protestants (24%).
He says the growth of Nones could affect American public life.
"We know politically for example," Smith says, "that religious Nones are very distinctive. They are among the most strongly and consistently liberal and Democratic constituencies in the United States."
And that could change electoral politics in the coming decades.
The political power of white Evangelicals has been well-reported in recent decades, but their numbers are shrinking while the number of the more liberal Nones is on the rise.
https://www.npr.org/2024/01/24/1226371734/religious-nones-are-now-the-largest-single-group-in-the-u-s#:~:text=Natacha%20Pisarenko%2FAP-,Religiously%20unaffiliated%20people%20now%20make%20up%2028%25%20of%20U.S.%20adults,than%20Catholics%20or%20evangelical%20Protestants.&text=When%20Americans%20are%20asked%20to,28%25%20now%20check%20'none.
It me.