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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: Kat Kid on October 17, 2023, 12:11:53 PM
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ballot 1 fail
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How many did he get?
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What are the real world implications of having no speaker? Is it just embarrassing or is business at a stand still?
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What are the real world implications of having no speaker? Is it just embarrassing or is business at a stand still?
I am no expert, but I think business at a stand still.
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How many did he get?
Jordan needs 217, He is 17 short.
20 Republicans voted against him.
LIVEHouse Speaker Vote Tally
Representative Total DemocratsDem. RepublicansRep. Bar chart of total votes
Jordan
200 0 200
Scalise
7 0 7
McCarthy
6 0 6
Zeldin
3 0 3
Emmer
1 0 1
Garcia
1 0 1
Cole
1 0 1
Massie
1 0 1
Jeffries
212 212 0
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It would be completely unprecedented in the US, but if they dems aren't actively trying to peel off 5 moderate Republicans for a caretaker government they are doing themselves a disservice.
Then again, there is a distinct likelihood this is all theater and Jordan will gain votes and the pressure campaign will work to flip enough people to get in on subsequent votes today, remember McCarthy had to do 15 votes.
If Jordan doesn't wrap this thing up today though, then Dems should be pouring money in to target the Biden district/swing district R's and offering up a bland agenda of continued funding of government and a "seat at the table" as well as committee chairs and leadership positions to the Republicans who join the unity government.
I don't see 5 Republicans taking that bait, but getting crushed from both sides with the alternative being Manchin/Sinema level veto power would be a tough spot to put those little R weirdos in.
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Yeah, I don't think they can bring any bills forward until there's a speaker
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I get the impression (both here and generally) that dems would rather have a pub shitshow than work with some moderate pubs. But also maybe there are no pubs who want to work with them.
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I get the impression (both here and generally) that dems would rather have a pub shitshow than work with some moderate pubs. But also maybe there are no pubs who want to work with them.
Yeah, I think the dems DGAF right now.
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I just read that Jordan hasn't passed one piece of legislation in like 16 years in office. lmao how is that possible
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I just read that Jordan hasn't passed one piece of legislation in like 16 years in office. lmao how is that possible
I bet that’s pretty par for the course when you have zero interest in helping people
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I just read that Jordan hasn't passed one piece of legislation in like 16 years in office. lmao how is that possible
I bet that’s pretty par for the course when you have zero interest in helping people
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Yeah, I think it is more common than not unfortunately. This whole thing is a colossal embarrassment.
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Jordan is another Pub talker, that's it.
To take on whack-a-doo #blueanon legislators, they need more than talkers.
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I just read that Jordan hasn't passed one piece of legislation in like 16 years in office. lmao how is that possible
Easy to do when your motivation for being in Congress is just performing for the rightwing infotainment space.
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Coffee to urine converter
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I just read that Jordan hasn't passed one piece of legislation in like 16 years in office. lmao how is that possible
Easy to do when your motivation for being in Congress is just performing for the rightwing infotainment space.
It's hilarious and sad all at the same time. At some point you'd think the voters in that district would actually want a Rep capable of pushing something through that could improve their lives hey maybe not.
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Not sure what to make of it, but I've seen similar things reported by others as well.
https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/1714330100089405522
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Maybe it’s a good thing that the House can’t get anything done?
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Maybe it’s a good thing that the House can’t get anything done?
It's fine for the next 35 days or so
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Nominating him is truly the dumbest thing I've ever seen. I'm certain that there are freedom caucus members who aren't subject to a sexual abuse scandal. He's relatively skated on the Ohio State Wrestling scandal because he's generally just a guy in the house and Americans generally don't give a crap about regular congressmen. If he were to become speaker of the house, that scandal would become encompassing.
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How much self ball tazing can they take before they rally around someone they can get over the line?
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How much self ball tazing can they take before they rally around someone they can get over the line?
up to 15 at least
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mods please change name of thread to error jordan?
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How much self ball tazing can they take before they rally around someone they can get over the line?
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I've learned to not underestimate how much ball tazing this current crop of pubs is willing to endure
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How much self ball tazing can they take before they rally around someone they can get over the line?
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I've learned to not underestimate how much ball tazing this current crop of pubs is willing to endure
their taint is like the bottom of a 40 year old elephant's foot.
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Gaetz is a detestable wrecker and enemy of America:
https://twitter.com/MichaelDuncan/status/1714425402414780927?s=20 (https://twitter.com/MichaelDuncan/status/1714425402414780927?s=20)
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https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/18/calls-grow-to-elect-mchenry-temporary-house-speaker-.html
Here come the dems, probably the most likely way to play the coalition card.
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https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/18/calls-grow-to-elect-mchenry-temporary-house-speaker-.html
Here come the dems, probably the most likely way to play the coalition card.
Is this a subscription link?
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not for me?
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Looks like Jordan is going to come up short again, will be really telling if the count gets significantly worse.
Already one flip against him...
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He lost, again. Only through the E's.
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Not sure what to make of it, but I've seen similar things reported by others as well.
https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/1714330100089405522
This is not an explanation I ever would have guessed, but it does make sense!
https://twitter.com/MZanona/status/1714712263498620951
https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1714624798985220430
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I imagine McCarthy is just cackling rolling a blunt in his office
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:lol:
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1714757508915507586?s=20
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Is ronny drunk again?
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I imagine McCarthy is just cackling rolling a blunt in his office
Is he doing this in between his media hits blaming democrats instead of holding the freedom caucus accountable?
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If I told you in 2014 that registered democrat Donald trump would completely burn the republicans party to the ground and leave it a floundering group of impotent scared old men you’d call me crazy right?
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https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1714800899132883279
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I don't know if she's trying the truth here or not but I do know that MMM is a rough ridin' pathological liar.
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the dearest lifelong dream of every true Conservative (a Jordan Speakership) ground to chowder and washed away in a river of tears thanks to backstabbing RINOs, libs and betamalecucks:
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1715066736674820245?s=20 (https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1715066736674820245?s=20)
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I'm not saying this is how you lose 5 moderates to the Dems. But this is how you eff around and find out.
https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1715066518411644946?t=1AzcSPsd7GxuSKBO-MrAqw&s=19
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Why do they not want McHenry? Is it because democrats would vote for him or is there some reason that makes sense?
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Why do they not want McHenry? Is it because democrats would vote for him or is there some reason that makes sense?
Any action that doesn't have the expressed purpose of triggering DemonCraps (other than joining with them to oust McCarthy) is a sign of surrender and betrayal.
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Just incredible how they had a way out of this mess and the MAGA commitment to ball tazing was an unstoppable force that wouldn't allow them to take it.
https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1715140393858134022
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just so much lib owning LMFAO
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vote total only going to get worse.
option 1: Scalise lets Jordan go for as long as he wants while he keeps losing support then comes back in and saves it (I think this will be at least tried)
option 2: Jordan/MAGA holds fast and forces a shutdown, then get to name their price---will come back to this later
option 3: Jordan/MAGA hold but then panic as the deadline hits or realize that they are going to get betrayed by mods and so they go for option 1 or get
option 4: R's/D's let the speaker pro temp limp along doing the bare minimum
of these, obviously I am hoping for option 4, but I think 2 or 3 are more likely. I think 1 is more likely than 4 but less likely than 2 or 3.
Maybe I am being too pessimistic, but I think once Gaetz and co. saw how much power they could extract they are going to hang on. All the incentives are in the right places for them to hold until they force a crisis. Maybe that will go against them, and maybe there are enough R's that are sick of these people, but I bet we get weeks more of this.
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Looks like the margin is getting worse.
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And he's done.
https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1715427167310385381
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Mods please lock
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Thank god, gym is a total shithead
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Jim Jordan, Confirmed Enemy of the Swamp. The past week marks a massive success for him. He can now cash in on his victim status for months if not years. Gonna yield tons of appearances on NewsMax and OANN. The small money donors will shower him in cash. Mission accomplished.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F85vjrVWMAApAP_?format=jpg&name=small)
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Losing = winning for the Victim Caucus.
https://twitter.com/LPDonovan/status/1713602420620623979?s=20 (https://twitter.com/LPDonovan/status/1713602420620623979?s=20)
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Jim Jordan, Confirmed Enemy of the Swamp. The past week marks a massive success for him. He can now cash in on his victim status for months if not years. Gonna yield tons of appearances on NewsMax and OANN. The small money donors will shower him in cash. Mission accomplished.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F85vjrVWMAApAP_?format=jpg&name=small)
As far as MAGA goes, this is obi wan kenobi putting his light saber down and letting Vader behead him. Jim Jordan will now become part of the Derp Force and will become stronger than he ever was before.
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Gaetz:Jordan::Wacky:dax
Really says something that the "most popular Republican in Congress" can't win a popularity contest in his own party.
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maga = the derp force is gold. Going to use
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Jim Jordan, Confirmed Enemy of the Swamp. The past week marks a massive success for him. He can now cash in on his victim status for months if not years. Gonna yield tons of appearances on NewsMax and OANN. The small money donors will shower him in cash. Mission accomplished.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F85vjrVWMAApAP_?format=jpg&name=small)
As far as MAGA goes, this is obi wan kenobi putting his light saber down and letting Vader behead him. Jim Jordan will now become part of the Derp Force and will become stronger than he ever was before.
Uh, he always has been, maybe the derpiest
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hahaha.
https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/1715800189225578608
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guide for the coming week of failed speakership candidates.
https://twitter.com/PollsAndVotes/status/1716292177083404681
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At this point I think they rally around Scalise or it is a real problem for them.
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My money is on them settling on this McHenry guy because they're incapable of coming up with 217 for anyone who actually wants the job.
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eight left (before we find out if anyone treats the process as binding).
https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1716593650220568848
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ah well, nonetheless.
https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1716863571395502452
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by far the funniest thing to happen so far today.
https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1716883479156437275
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ah well, nonetheless.
https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1716863571395502452
I don't see anyway that Emmer can get through the obstructionist MAGA block. Scalise has other problems with the Jordan crew, but he clears that hurdle. I think they are pretty rapidly approaching despair on achieving anything and we have to look at how far the obstructionists are willing to go.
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we have to look at how far the obstructionists are willing to go.
why quit now? it's good fun and there aren't any concrete negative consequences for at least another couple of weeks.
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we have to look at how far the obstructionists are willing to go.
why quit now? it's good fun and there aren't any concrete negative consequences for at least another couple of weeks.
yeah there's not much of a rush until the money runs out.
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by far the funniest thing to happen so far today.
https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1716883479156437275
https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1716885043757613342
Am I crazy or does anyone else think Gaetz and Trump could be orchestrating this crap show together?
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Yes this is good for Trump because it shows that his caucus can still screw things up for people.
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ah well, nonetheless.
https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1716863571395502452
I don't see anyway that Emmer can get through the obstructionist MAGA block. Scalise has other problems with the Jordan crew, but he clears that hurdle. I think they are pretty rapidly approaching despair on achieving anything and we have to look at how far the obstructionists are willing to go.
My sources are telling me that Emmer is part of the GloboHomo RINO deranged liberal cabal of deranged psychopaths:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9OYdHcbMAYOSsv?format=jpg&name=small)
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next man up.
https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/1716914864915198293
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sub in republican speaker nominees.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtpwAg0KTeA&t=32s
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Yes this is good for Trump because it shows that his caucus can still screw things up for people.
It makes it a great show of how "Only Trump can bring us together!" for any GOP mouthbreathers that need convincing.
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we have to look at how far the obstructionists are willing to go.
why quit now? it's good fun and there aren't any concrete negative consequences for at least another couple of weeks.
Well right, I am fast forwarding to when there are some consequences.
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The maga caucus has zero interest in governing or helping people.
They ran for office because it's basically winning the lottery and sets you up for life.
They will let a shutdown happen to own the libs/swamp but adults will get it figured out and we'll limp along.
Unless these clowns get primaried (LOL) or defeated (impossible due to gerrymandering) they get to sit and rake it in until they expend all of their political capital (sinema). Then they'll write a book that some PAC will buy up as a thank you and be on a board of some company that they've grifted their way into by promising access to DC
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hern's already out. not sure whether to pull for a moderate on the off chance that they might somehow get through or a freedom caucuser on the theory that it's more fun when one of them gets turned aside.
https://twitter.com/admcrlsn/status/1716941155106230706
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What's the sitch on fleischmann. If all I have is voting record, that's my choice.
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hern's already out. not sure whether to pull for a moderate on the off chance that they might somehow get through or a freedom caucuser on the theory that it's more fun when one of them gets turned aside.
https://twitter.com/admcrlsn/status/1716941155106230706
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What's the sitch on fleischmann. If all I have is voting record, that's my choice.
it's quite possible that that [redacted]'s not real.
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I don’t pretend to know all the house weirdos and it has been 20 years since I could name all the senators but who the eff are these people?
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Expanding healthcare for veterans we poisoned is most definitely big govt spending that's out of control
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I don’t pretend to know all the house weirdos and it has been 20 years since I could name all the senators but who the eff are these people?
Yeah I used to at a minimum know the players but now it's just the maga shitposters that get any attention. Never heard of any of those people.
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How much self ball tazing can they take before they rally around someone they can get over the line?
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Welp
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excited to see how quickly he gets killed tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1716997344531546282
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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1717015101276934322?s=46&t=qihx_M5rao00w7e29gt7Rw
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What's the context here? Seems bizarre.
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amazingly, smart people think this guy might stick. we may have to learn who "johnson" is.
https://twitter.com/LPDonovan/status/1717030097897636145
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What's the context here? Seems bizarre.
That's the guy that's going to try and win today. The old lady telling the reporter to SHUT UP, SHUT UP is the chair of the education comittee which is very on brand.
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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1717015101276934322?s=46&t=qihx_M5rao00w7e29gt7Rw
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There are a lot of punchable faces in the screen shot before hitting play.
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So, is all of this happening mostly because Trump thinks that the right House speaker can help him become president even if he loses the election?
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https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1717234177601315181?s=20 (https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1717234177601315181?s=20)
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So, is all of this happening mostly because Trump thinks that the right House speaker can help him become president even if he loses the election?
I think it’s mostly that but also a show of power and influence by trump to consolidate backing for the primary.
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https://twitter.com/dick_nixon/status/1717237981331726560?s=20 (https://twitter.com/dick_nixon/status/1717237981331726560?s=20)
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Did not expect that to resolve so quickly.
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He has been endorsed by Franklin Graham:
https://twitter.com/Franklin_Graham/status/1717181105588060201?s=20 (https://twitter.com/Franklin_Graham/status/1717181105588060201?s=20)
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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1717015101276934322?s=46&t=qihx_M5rao00w7e29gt7Rw
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They told that Uncle Tom Byron Donalds to kick rocks.
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https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1717234177601315181?
Pretty devastating personal news for me :angry:
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What's the context here? Seems bizarre.
That's the guy that's going to try and win today. The old lady telling the reporter to SHUT UP, SHUT UP is the chair of the education comittee which is very on brand.
Holy crap, I thought that was a ghost.
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JESUS CHRIST (literally)
https://twitter.com/acyn/status/1717248876036448279
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JESUS CHRIST (literally)
https://twitter.com/acyn/status/1717248876036448279
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Speaker NPC
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JESUS CHRIST (literally)
https://twitter.com/acyn/status/1717248876036448279
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If I understand his position here that means that God raised up Ilhan Omar. Does that mean it is against God’s will to run against her or do we need to pray and then vote to check in with God?
Was he working to overturn the will of God when he was conspiring with Trump to prevent Biden taking office? Speaker Johnson said “here” so does that mean just the House? All federal offices? All elections?
Maybe there was a special election where God cast HIS ballot (ballots?) and Johnson was trying to get that vote (votes?) counted.
I have some more follow ups but those would be good questions to ask when he doesn’t have that spooky lady and the horned up Coloradan shouting down questions from reporters.
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I hope to see the day where religion loses it's grip on our politics.
I hope that Gen Z politicians out loud on CSPAN :lol: when some Always Save politician says some dumb crap like this.
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Pulse of America
https://twitter.com/zackkopplin/status/1717322806378033302?s=46&t=qihx_M5rao00w7e29gt7Rw
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it sucks that there is good reason to think the new speaker may try to overturn the next election and block funding to ukraine, but it makes me a little bit nostalgic to see a republican that's a religious freak instead of a freak on race.
https://twitter.com/LPDonovan/status/1717366045285949796
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That legitimately makes me happy, the blue checkmark replies to the patriot takes tweet do not. It's unfortunate that we have a prominent republican that has those views but will never use those views to influence policy.
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Welp, Lil Kev is out. Resigning from congress and not seeking re-election. Quitter.
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House will be down 2 pubs until special elections can occur.