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General Discussion => Essentially Flyertalk => Topic started by: sys on September 21, 2023, 09:22:55 PM
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we're about at that life stage now, no? anyone (else) experiencing one?
personally, i'm maybe doing so? i've basically hit my financial goals and am in a position to execute on my life plan (not work, not live in fresno and instead spend my time rough ridin' around w. snakes), but i'm no longer sure that's what i want or what my wife would tolerate. it's a weird feeling.
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good thread sys. I have a lot of stuff to ask for help with here.
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That ship has sailed for this guy. Need one asking about fear of dying.
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I'm 43 and am in a very weird spot in my life where I coach an 11U travel baseball team, 5th grade football team, 7U girls basketball team, and have my regular job. I've turned down pretty intensive executive roles because I don't have the bandwith for it and my family stuff. I'm terrified that in 5'ish years all that goes away and then what am I doing? Just work crap? doing business meetings with business people? hound my kids about their day? talk to my wife about something other than our kids schedules and calendar entries?
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we're about at that life stage now, no? anyone (else) experiencing one?
personally, i'm maybe doing so? i've basically hit my financial goals and am in a position to execute on my life plan (not work, not live in fresno and instead spend my time rough ridin' around w. snakes), but i'm no longer sure that's what i want or what my wife would tolerate. it's a weird feeling.
have you considered coaching a youth basketball team?
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have you considered coaching a youth basketball team?
i haven't.
i'm more trying to decide between: plan a (pretend i'm a grad student doing snake stuff again), plan b (eff around with cows and sheep), plan c (just spend all day on twitter and message boards). it's weird not having a strong preference btwn the three, but even more it's like, my preferences have changed enough in the last ten years, how can i be confident in what i'm going to want to be doing ten years from now?
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Mrs. Hamburg & I just had a serious conversation about hobbies. She has hobbies. I don’t. I mess with something for 2 months then move on. I want to be able to comfortably retire at 55ish. I probably won’t, but I’ve seen enough people have jobs they like that then change in their mid-50s & they still have to slog out 7 more years in a job they hate. I don’t want that. However, she’s worried that I won’t know what to do if I do retire early. She’s not really pushing me on it now because I have years until retirement, but she’s already thinking about it. It’s not really a midlife crisis, but it’s a realization that the kids will be out of the house in 10 years & what the hell am I am going to do with the rest of my life.
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I been on a solid one for about the past 10 months. Think I am about to pull out of it though.
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have you considered coaching a youth basketball team?
plan b (eff around with cows and sheep)
Such a stereotype, smh
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Look, you have a limited number of years before your body starts to really suck crap. Think about all of the epic crap you didn't do when you were younger because of life. The stuff that makes you think, "man, it would kick so much ass if I could do that." Make plans to do that stuff. Educate yourself about that stuff. Train your body for that stuff. Then, do that stuff.
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Look, you have a limited number of years before your body starts to really suck crap. Think about all of the epic crap you didn't do when you were younger because of life. The stuff that makes you think, "man, it would kick so much ass if I could do that." Make plans to do that stuff. Educate yourself about that stuff. Train your body for that stuff. Then, do that stuff.
yeah, that's fun to say. but irl nobody does that. have to start small.
nobody, on their death bed, says "I wish I had coached less youth basketball"
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Mrs. Hamburg & I just had a serious conversation about hobbies. She has hobbies. I don’t. I mess with something for 2 months then move on. I want to be able to comfortably retire at 55ish. I probably won’t, but I’ve seen enough people have jobs they like that then change in their mid-50s & they still have to slog out 7 more years in a job they hate. I don’t want that. However, she’s worried that I won’t know what to do if I do retire early. She’s not really pushing me on it now because I have years until retirement, but she’s already thinking about it. It’s not really a midlife crisis, but it’s a realization that the kids will be out of the house in 10 years & what the hell am I am going to do with the rest of my life.
Have you considered being a youth basketball coach?
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have you considered coaching a youth basketball team?
plan b (eff around with cows and sheep)
Such a stereotype, smh
i'm not a biologist but i think one of the benefits of mumping around with cows and sheep is you don't even need to get plan b
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Hopefully when I need to check this thread in 10 years it will be full of good advice
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Look, you have a limited number of years before your body starts to really suck crap. Think about all of the epic crap you didn't do when you were younger because of life. The stuff that makes you think, "man, it would kick so much ass if I could do that." Make plans to do that stuff. Educate yourself about that stuff. Train your body for that stuff. Then, do that stuff.
yeah, that's fun to say. but irl nobody does that. have to start small.
That's what I'm saying. Start small now. Because if it's truly epic crap, it's gonna take a lotta work to make it happen. I have plans to do stuff in 6-8 years that I've started working toward now. It gives me tons of purpose for when my kids are out on their own.
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Look, you have a limited number of years before your body starts to really suck crap. Think about all of the epic crap you didn't do when you were younger because of life. The stuff that makes you think, "man, it would kick so much ass if I could do that." Make plans to do that stuff. Educate yourself about that stuff. Train your body for that stuff. Then, do that stuff.
yeah, that's fun to say. but irl nobody does that. have to start small.
That's what I'm saying. Start small now. Because if it's truly epic crap, it's gonna take a lotta work to make it happen. I have plans to do stuff in 6-8 years that I've started working toward now. It gives me tons of purpose for when my kids are out on their own.
what kind of crap?
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Look, you have a limited number of years before your body starts to really suck crap. Think about all of the epic crap you didn't do when you were younger because of life. The stuff that makes you think, "man, it would kick so much ass if I could do that." Make plans to do that stuff. Educate yourself about that stuff. Train your body for that stuff. Then, do that stuff.
yeah, that's fun to say. but irl nobody does that. have to start small.
That's what I'm saying. Start small now. Because if it's truly epic crap, it's gonna take a lotta work to make it happen. I have plans to do stuff in 6-8 years that I've started working toward now. It gives me tons of purpose for when my kids are out on their own.
what kind of crap?
1.) Go skydiving
2.) Go Rocky Mountain climbing
3.) Go 2.7 seconds on a bull named Fumanchu
4.) Love deeper
5.) Speak sweeter (should be more sweetly)
6.) Give forgiveness you've been denying
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I started the Chum plan about 6 months ago.
I made a list(no certain order):
1. Nazare Portugal. I saw the HBO thing about 100ft waves and I have to see those in real life before I die.
2. I want to go see the Northern Lights in one of the Scandinavian countries, Iceland, or something like that. I want one of those bungalow things where it's dark as eff and just wild space light.
3. I want to go on a hike trip in a Dark Sky refuge where we can get the absolute best view of the Milky Way available in the US.
4. I want to hike as much of the Utah national parks as I can before getting bored with them.
5. I want to see a glacier and hike that [redacted]. Probably can roll this one in with #2.
There are other things, but this is an example.
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Decided at age 40 to change careers. Was in ministry, quit, started subbing at schools to kill time and I loved being at in a classroom. So I enrolled in a masters program and plan on teaching high school in about a year. Going back to school has been good/hard/weird.
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Decided at age 40 to change careers. Was in ministry, quit, started subbing at schools to kill time and I loved being at in a classroom. So I enrolled in a masters program and plan on teaching high school in about a year. Going back to school has been good/hard/weird.
This is a really good one and I bet that ends up being a great move for you
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Thanks SD. Had to remind myself if I retire at 65-70ish I still have more work years ahead of me than behind. We made some good choices financially early in our marriage that has allowed me to make less money for a couple years and still stay afloat.
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I'm 43 and am in a very weird spot in my life where I coach an 11U travel baseball team, 5th grade football team, 7U girls basketball team, and have my regular job. I've turned down pretty intensive executive roles because I don't have the bandwith for it and my family stuff. I'm terrified that in 5'ish years all that goes away and then what am I doing? Just work crap? doing business meetings with business people? hound my kids about their day? talk to my wife about something other than our kids schedules and calendar entries?
I think you'll do well when your life season changes. Use Pete as a life template for how to handle all that when the kids are older.
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I'm pretty much content with whatever. Have you midlife crisis-havers considered doing that? Huh?
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Look, you have a limited number of years before your body starts to really suck crap. Think about all of the epic crap you didn't do when you were younger because of life. The stuff that makes you think, "man, it would kick so much ass if I could do that." Make plans to do that stuff. Educate yourself about that stuff. Train your body for that stuff. Then, do that stuff.
yeah, that's fun to say. but irl nobody does that. have to start small.
That's what I'm saying. Start small now. Because if it's truly epic crap, it's gonna take a lotta work to make it happen. I have plans to do stuff in 6-8 years that I've started working toward now. It gives me tons of purpose for when my kids are out on their own.
what kind of crap?
Whatever you think kicks ass. Like, play around at local bars with a band. Or play in the local symphony. Or act in the local theater. Shred up a bowl on a skateboard. Or be an expert snow skier doing jumps and stuff. Compete in tournaments for like chess or ping pong or badminton or whatever.
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I started the Chum plan about 6 months ago.
I made a list(no certain order):
1. Nazare Portugal. I saw the HBO thing about 100ft waves and I have to see those in real life before I die.
2. I want to go see the Northern Lights in one of the Scandinavian countries, Iceland, or something like that. I want one of those bungalow things where it's dark as eff and just wild space light.
3. I want to go on a hike trip in a Dark Sky refuge where we can get the absolute best view of the Milky Way available in the US.
4. I want to hike as much of the Utah national parks as I can before getting bored with them.
5. I want to see a glacier and hike that [redacted]. Probably can roll this one in with #2.
There are other things, but this is an example.
There was/is a fantastic place in Akureyri Iceland for that. Has a hot tub and overlooks a fjord and to the north.
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I started the Chum plan about 6 months ago.
I made a list(no certain order):
1. Nazare Portugal. I saw the HBO thing about 100ft waves and I have to see those in real life before I die.
2. I want to go see the Northern Lights in one of the Scandinavian countries, Iceland, or something like that. I want one of those bungalow things where it's dark as eff and just wild space light.
3. I want to go on a hike trip in a Dark Sky refuge where we can get the absolute best view of the Milky Way available in the US.
4. I want to hike as much of the Utah national parks as I can before getting bored with them.
5. I want to see a glacier and hike that [redacted]. Probably can roll this one in with #2.
There are other things, but this is an example.
There was/is a fantastic place in Akureyri Iceland for that. Has a hot tub and overlooks a fjord and to the north.
That sounds like the best place to start looking, so far.
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Look, you have a limited number of years before your body starts to really suck crap. Think about all of the epic crap you didn't do when you were younger because of life. The stuff that makes you think, "man, it would kick so much ass if I could do that." Make plans to do that stuff. Educate yourself about that stuff. Train your body for that stuff. Then, do that stuff.
yeah, that's fun to say. but irl nobody does that. have to start small.
That's what I'm saying. Start small now. Because if it's truly epic crap, it's gonna take a lotta work to make it happen. I have plans to do stuff in 6-8 years that I've started working toward now. It gives me tons of purpose for when my kids are out on their own.
what kind of crap?
Whatever you think kicks ass. Like, play around at local bars with a band. Or play in the local symphony. Or act in the local theater. Shred up a bowl on a skateboard. Or be an expert snow skier doing jumps and stuff. Compete in tournaments for like chess or ping pong or badminton or whatever.
or tdaver stuff
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=27622.msg2093008#msg2093008 (https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=27622.msg2093008#msg2093008)
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Look, you have a limited number of years before your body starts to really suck crap. Think about all of the epic crap you didn't do when you were younger because of life. The stuff that makes you think, "man, it would kick so much ass if I could do that." Make plans to do that stuff. Educate yourself about that stuff. Train your body for that stuff. Then, do that stuff.
yeah, that's fun to say. but irl nobody does that. have to start small.
That's what I'm saying. Start small now. Because if it's truly epic crap, it's gonna take a lotta work to make it happen. I have plans to do stuff in 6-8 years that I've started working toward now. It gives me tons of purpose for when my kids are out on their own.
what kind of crap?
1.) Go skydiving
2.) Go Rocky Mountain climbing
3.) Go 2.7 seconds on a bull named Fumanchu
4.) Love deeper
5.) Speak sweeter (should be more sweetly)
6.) Give forgiveness you've been denying
Already got that done :gocho: would recommend
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I started the Chum plan about 6 months ago.
I made a list(no certain order):
1. Nazare Portugal. I saw the HBO thing about 100ft waves and I have to see those in real life before I die.
2. I want to go see the Northern Lights in one of the Scandinavian countries, Iceland, or something like that. I want one of those bungalow things where it's dark as eff and just wild space light.
3. I want to go on a hike trip in a Dark Sky refuge where we can get the absolute best view of the Milky Way available in the US.
4. I want to hike as much of the Utah national parks as I can before getting bored with them.
5. I want to see a glacier and hike that [redacted]. Probably can roll this one in with #2.
There are other things, but this is an example.
There was/is a fantastic place in Akureyri Iceland for that. Has a hot tub and overlooks a fjord and to the north.
That sounds like the best place to start looking, so far.
https://www.airbnb.ca/rooms/4221181?source_impression_id=p3_1695394442_oxHKxjQxx8PlPYKQ
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I started the Chum plan about 6 months ago.
I made a list(no certain order):
1. Nazare Portugal. I saw the HBO thing about 100ft waves and I have to see those in real life before I die.
2. I want to go see the Northern Lights in one of the Scandinavian countries, Iceland, or something like that. I want one of those bungalow things where it's dark as eff and just wild space light.
3. I want to go on a hike trip in a Dark Sky refuge where we can get the absolute best view of the Milky Way available in the US.
4. I want to hike as much of the Utah national parks as I can before getting bored with them.
5. I want to see a glacier and hike that [redacted]. Probably can roll this one in with #2.
There are other things, but this is an example.
There was/is a fantastic place in Akureyri Iceland for that. Has a hot tub and overlooks a fjord and to the north.
Not to mention, Icelandic women have no problem just hanging out nude in the hot springs and wherever else isn’t bitter cold.
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Is it a mid-life crisis when you have anxiety about not making enough memories with children? Seems more like parental guilt, but I can see it morphing into a mid-life crisis with the actions taken to assuage the guilt.
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Is it a mid-life crisis when you have anxiety about not making enough memories with children? Seems more like parental guilt, but I can see it morphing into a mid-life crisis with the actions taken to assuage the guilt.
Not sure, but focus on making the memories simple, not epic. If you take your kids to the Grand Canyon and the ocean great, but a simple trip to the library or bedtime reading or playing chess or whatever can be just as awesome.
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Is it a mid-life crisis when you have anxiety about not making enough memories with children? Seems more like parental guilt, but I can see it morphing into a mid-life crisis with the actions taken to assuage the guilt.
Sir, boats can sell themselves, but children need their father’s love.
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Man, like, i KNOW that WW is in his mid 30s-ish, but every time i'm reminded of that it hits me like a sledgehammer. One of those things that i know but immediately forget until reminded. Like even in 5 minutes from now if i were to take a timed test (magic minute, for example) and one of the questions was "how old is WW?" i would mark bubble C (bubble C is 40-50 yrs old)
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Is it a mid-life crisis when you have anxiety about not making enough memories with children? Seems more like parental guilt, but I can see it morphing into a mid-life crisis with the actions taken to assuage the guilt.
Sir, boats can sell themselves, but children need their father’s love.
So, build the lake house. Got it.
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I'm pretty much content with whatever. Have you midlife crisis-havers considered doing that? Huh?
I’ve only wished for the ability to do this every damn day.
I remember being 12 & seeing other people’s parents just seem happy/content in an average M-F, 8-5 job and wishing I could have that. (I don’t mean having parents like that, I mean that for myself). But now I know they had other stress & I just didn’t see when they were sitting at the table trying to budget/not saving for later.
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Man, like, i KNOW that WW is in his mid 30s-ish, but every time i'm reminded of that it hits me like a sledgehammer. One of those things that i know but immediately forget until reminded. Like even in 5 minutes from now if i were to take a timed test (magic minute, for example) and one of the questions was "how old is WW?" i would mark bubble C (bubble C is 40-50 yrs old)
It surprises me, too. I guess we're around the same age, but I've always kind of assumed that I'm the third youngest regular poster here, behind Winters and Greg.
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get super ripped
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Is it a mid-life crisis when you have anxiety about not making enough memories with children? Seems more like parental guilt, but I can see it morphing into a mid-life crisis with the actions taken to assuage the guilt.
Not sure, but focus on making the memories simple, not epic. If you take your kids to the Grand Canyon and the ocean great, but a simple trip to the library or bedtime reading or playing chess or whatever can be just as awesome.
this is a kinder version of what I would advise. Just be there and everything can be a great memory. If the question is "are you there enough right now?", you should answer that and see if you can change it before asking if you will regret not being there enough somewhere down the road.
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Random things they’ll love & remember can/do happen when you do the mundane things. Sometimes doing the mundane things lead you to finding something they’ll love/remember. They happen a small percentage of the time, but they do happen more often than you think. It’s probably wrong to say that spending time doing mundane things with your kids is an “investment”, but it eventually pays off in the memories category.
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we're about at that life stage now, no? anyone (else) experiencing one?
personally, i'm maybe doing so? i've basically hit my financial goals and am in a position to execute on my life plan (not work, not live in fresno and instead spend my time rough ridin' around w. snakes), but i'm no longer sure that's what i want or what my wife would tolerate. it's a weird feeling.
Honestly, yours is a "crisis" everyone should kind of want to have. Boy, I've hit my career goals, now I just need to figure out what to do with my disposable time/income. I don't say that to minimize the crisis, just to put it in perspective a little bit. Ideally, I'd like to face that same dilemma sometime here in the next 20 years or so.
Giving it basically zero thought, I think I'd try and become a big camping guy. My neighbor and his wife go camping in arkansas and colorado a few times a year and i've always found myself envious of that.
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we're about at that life stage now, no? anyone (else) experiencing one?
personally, i'm maybe doing so? i've basically hit my financial goals and am in a position to execute on my life plan (not work, not live in fresno and instead spend my time rough ridin' around w. snakes), but i'm no longer sure that's what i want or what my wife would tolerate. it's a weird feeling.
Honestly, yours is a "crisis" everyone should kind of want to have. Boy, I've hit my career goals, now I just need to figure out what to do with my disposable time/income. I don't say that to minimize the crisis, just to put it in perspective a little bit. Ideally, I'd like to face that same dilemma sometime here in the next 20 years or so.
Giving it basically zero thought, I think I'd try and become a big camping guy. My neighbor and his wife go camping in arkansas and colorado a few times a year and i've always found myself envious of that.
There is definitely a guilt component to it. Knowing you feel a certain way, but that a large chunk of the population would kill to have your problems.
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I like camping guy idea
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So if you retire at 55, what's the move for insurance and accessing tax advantaged retirement accounts?
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So if you retire at 55, what's the move for insurance and accessing tax advantaged retirement accounts?
There are ways to access Roth funds before you are 59 1/2 without penalty.
I imagine a person would get health insurance through the exchange. If your income isn't too high, there would also probably be a lot of subsidies for you. You could structure your income correctly to keep it down to get maximum subsidies.
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So if you retire at 55, what's the move for insurance and accessing tax advantaged retirement accounts?
Not exactly sure what my options will be, but I know enough people that I’ll be able to figure it out. I know people that have invested in a company & part of the deal was they became minimum wage level employees in an advisor role that gave them access to health insurance.
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check pm but I think in general if you are finding a way to contribute to people with your time and develop a sense of community with others, that will be more fulfilling. You may take for granted and even resent most co-workers, but the absence of social interaction/connection is one of the biggest causes of dissatisfaction with retirement and there is a growing body of evidence that it has really bad outcomes for your health as well.
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Tim Ferris has long been a proponent of mini retirements and I really like the concept. Sort of plays to Chum recognizing that your body wears out and doing the things you wanted to at 65 are likely not going to be feasible physically. I think I'd consider what CF3 did as a good example of it where you just take a few years off or do something less strenuous and do things you enjoy to recharge the batteries.
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Tim Ferris has long been a proponent of mini retirements and I really like the concept. Sort of plays to Chum recognizing that your body wears out and doing the things you wanted to at 65 are likely not going to be feasible physically. I think I'd consider what CF3 did as a good example of it where you just take a few years off or do something less strenuous and do things you enjoy to recharge the batteries.
In reality, I think you would have to have a crap ton of money, a skill that will always have access to immediate employment with high pay, or live extraordinarily frugal, to make this work.
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I've now confirmed via this thread I have not had nor am I currently having a mid life crisis. I think I forgot to have one.
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Also sys, I wouldn't recommend choosing the path where you spend all your free time on Twitter and message boards.
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get super ripped
Yes.
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Man, like, i KNOW that WW is in his mid 30s-ish, but every time i'm reminded of that it hits me like a sledgehammer. One of those things that i know but immediately forget until reminded. Like even in 5 minutes from now if i were to take a timed test (magic minute, for example) and one of the questions was "how old is WW?" i would mark bubble C (bubble C is 40-50 yrs old)
It surprises me, too. I guess we're around the same age, but I've always kind of assumed that I'm the third youngest regular poster here, behind Winters and Greg.
The 3 of us are all around the same age. I’m 35. I’ve been going through kind of a rough time because of being sick and moving to Texas. I also started a job in May that has allowed me to travel a ton and already have several more trips planned this year. It’s also pretty much financially set me for life. So not sure it’s a midlife crisis but I’m trying to figure out what I should do next and what my purpose is.
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the hell kind of job you get and you are financially set 4 months later?
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the hell kind of job you get and you are financially set 4 months later?
The this is a home run job in every conceivable way kind.
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I was starting to get into a tiny little baby midlife crisis before being diagnosed but that all went away. I very much feel the uncertainty of the future though. I am not working right now and savings is getting drained and I think I'm going to start dipping into the 401k to reimburse for some medical stuff and hopefully stabilize finances. One of my bigger fears right now is a miracle happens and I live another 10 years with no savings or retirement money.
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Is it a mid-life crisis when you have anxiety about not making enough memories with children? Seems more like parental guilt, but I can see it morphing into a mid-life crisis with the actions taken to assuage the guilt.
Have you considered coaching youth basketball?
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i don't think the one time thing i want to see or do are very helpful to feeling like you're living a meaningful life or maximizing your time on earth. i guess everyone's different and maybe for some those are helpful, but to me it'd seem like you probably get a lot of "ok, what now" feelings after you complete one and maybe some "well, eff, not sure that was worth it" feelings as well. i think you need activities or goals that are sort of continuous.
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Honestly, yours is a "crisis" everyone should kind of want to have...
Giving it basically zero thought, I think I'd try and become a big camping guy. My neighbor and his wife go camping in arkansas and colorado a few times a year and i've always found myself envious of that.
yeah. my goals have been pretty de minimis, tbf. one real option that i didn't mention is just move those goals up a notch and keep working for a while longer.
i've thought about buying one of those camper things and spend a year or two touring the u.s. i think i could get reasonably into it, but my wife isn't that enthusiastic and at least in my mind, it'd be sort of a limited-term thing, not a permanent lifestyle.
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i don't think the one time thing i want to see or do are very helpful to feeling like you're living a meaningful life or maximizing your time on earth. i guess everyone's different and maybe for some those are helpful, but to me it'd seem like you probably get a lot of "ok, what now" feelings after you complete one and maybe some "well, eff, not sure that was worth it" feelings as well. i think you need activities or goals that are sort of continuous.
Have you considered earnestly, for a short period of time, suspending your belief that supply-side economics works? It might do wonders for you in your MLC.
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So if you retire at 55, what's the move for insurance and accessing tax advantaged retirement accounts?
i pay for my own insurance now, so if we stayed in the u.s. we'd just keep doing that. if we moved to a country with a different health care system, we'd do whatever needs to be done for that country.
i don't anticipate accessing my retirement accounts until traditional retirement age.
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check pm but I think in general if you are finding a way to contribute to people with your time and develop a sense of community with others, that will be more fulfilling. You may take for granted and even resent most co-workers, but the absence of social interaction/connection is one of the biggest causes of dissatisfaction with retirement and there is a growing body of evidence that it has really bad outcomes for your health as well.
yeah, this is a concern. most of my social interaction is through work and i don't think i'd be very good at replacing that without some sort of a structure that forces it.
my wife is much more social than i am, but i'm not sure being dependent on her to enable all or almost all of our extramarital social interactions would be healthy.
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Also sys, I wouldn't recommend choosing the path where you spend all your free time on Twitter and message boards.
it's surprisingly (or maybe not so surprisingly) appealing.
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Have you considered earnestly, for a short period of time, suspending your belief that supply-side economics works? It might do wonders for you in your MLC.
i have not considered that. i don't think i even understand what you're saying.
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Also sys, I wouldn't recommend choosing the path where you spend all your free time on Twitter and message boards.
it's surprisingly (or maybe not so surprisingly) appealing.
Why not run for office or get involved in politics in a meaningful way instead?
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Tim Ferris has long been a proponent of mini retirements and I really like the concept. Sort of plays to Chum recognizing that your body wears out and doing the things you wanted to at 65 are likely not going to be feasible physically. I think I'd consider what CF3 did as a good example of it where you just take a few years off or do something less strenuous and do things you enjoy to recharge the batteries.
In reality, I think you would have to have a crap ton of money, a skill that will always have access to immediate employment with high pay, or live extraordinarily frugal, to make this work.
I tend to agree. I'm 34 (almost 35) and I'm nearing what I'll call my first retirement, from working on the road. It's exhausting and I'm beyond mentally drained, but financially I have set myself up to where I have quite a bit saved. Not enough to fully retire, but enough that I am either going to just work bare minimum in the office or change my career completely. I am hoping to at least get a sabbatical/some amount of significant when I'm back to refocus on myself and do some things for myself. I am definitely done with the current job though when I've reached about 2 mil in my combined ESOP/401k. I figure that is enough to then go do, idk anything really.
FTR I also don't ever see myself ever being "retired." Just more doing things that are less stressful. Work in a non profit, or work being a cashier or barista or whatever. And even if you think that is too stressful, it's nothing I think compared to being on the road working 50+ hours a week. I'd be happy to work 30 ish hours and then have the rest of my time to volunteer, or golf or whatever. I figure my daily job is enough to get me out and socialize and do something, and basically have enough money to pay for day to day things, and big expenses and the like will eventually come out of my nest egg.
I also don't see this as obtainable for most people, especially ones with kids, and/or with expensive hobbies and whatnot.
get super ripped
Yes.
What I would like my time off to do :lynchmob:
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Why not run for office or get involved in politics in a meaningful way instead?
i don't think i'd be a good politician, nor do i think i'd enjoy it. i don't have enough money to be a booster, i don't agree with either party enough to want to systematically help them get elected and i'm not focused enough to be like a nonpartisan single-issue activist.
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i don't think the one time thing i want to see or do are very helpful to feeling like you're living a meaningful life or maximizing your time on earth. i guess everyone's different and maybe for some those are helpful, but to me it'd seem like you probably get a lot of "ok, what now" feelings after you complete one and maybe some "well, eff, not sure that was worth it" feelings as well. i think you need activities or goals that are sort of continuous.
I get this, but so far it has been like other things for me. Once you get into something you see other related things that weren't necessarily visible to you before.
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Why not run for office or get involved in politics in a meaningful way instead?
i don't think i'd be a good politician, nor do i think i'd enjoy it. i don't have enough money to be a booster, i don't agree with either party enough to want to systematically help them get elected and i'm not focused enough to be like a nonpartisan single-issue activist.
surely there's a local politician you like? See how you can get involved! change them from the inside!!!
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i don't think that's for me, michigancat.
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when sys said he'd like to spend his time "rough ridin' around w. snakes" he did not mean politicians
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Start a snake related business. That seems niche enough that there would be something you could do where there may not be market saturation.
I know a local here that does wildly well financially selling feeder animals to reptile ppl. He does a bunch of trade shows and makes a killing.
A large amount of his business is conducted online.
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Start a snake related business.
that's more or less what i've always planned on doing after retirement. my current feeling of rudderlessness is that i seem to have lost most of my enthusiasm for that activity in the last few years.
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Is it a mid-life crisis when you have anxiety about not making enough memories with children? Seems more like parental guilt, but I can see it morphing into a mid-life crisis with the actions taken to assuage the guilt.
Not sure, but focus on making the memories simple, not epic. If you take your kids to the Grand Canyon and the ocean great, but a simple trip to the library or bedtime reading or playing chess or whatever can be just as awesome.
This so much. My oldest is already a sophomore in HS, and I feel the clock ticking. We’ve taken some great trips, but just day to day messing around with my kids can be so much fun.
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Not sure if this is a mid-life crisis or not, but my wife and I are in the process (under contract) of buying 168 acres in Wilson County, KS. It is primarily a grass property. There are some hardwoods on the southern portion around the creeks. We currently own 80 acres in Wilson County and will likely sell that.
The 168 acres has a house on it and we will move there in the next 3-6 months and sell our current house in Manhattan.
Our plan is to plant a pecan orchard and graze sheep and cattle. We'll probably also do some pastured poultry and pastured pork. The grazing will be done in a Greg Judy-style regenerative way.
In the last 12 months we have also purchased a mature 22-acre pecan orchard that is 15 minutes southeast of Little Rock, AR as well as a retail pecan business that goes along with it. We purchased this with friends of ours from when we lived in Little Rock and they live at the farm to manage the day to day things.
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Not sure if this is a mid-life crisis or not, but my wife and I are in the process (under contract) of buying 168 acres in Wilson County, KS. It is primarily a grass property. There are some hardwoods on the southern portion around the creeks. We currently own 80 acres in Wilson County and will likely sell that.
The 168 acres has a house on it and we will move there in the next 3-6 months and sell our current house in Manhattan.
Our plan is to plant a pecan orchard and graze sheep and cattle. We'll probably also do some pastured poultry and pastured pork. The grazing will be done in a Greg Judy-style regenerative way.
In the last 12 months we have also purchased a mature 22-acre pecan orchard that is 15 minutes southeast of Little Rock, AR as well as a retail pecan business that goes along with it. We purchased this with friends of ours from when we lived in Little Rock and they live at the farm to manage the day to day things.
you should post this in the Things That Rule thread pecanboner69
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Not sure if this is a mid-life crisis or not, but my wife and I are in the process (under contract) of buying 168 acres in Wilson County, KS. It is primarily a grass property. There are some hardwoods on the southern portion around the creeks. We currently own 80 acres in Wilson County and will likely sell that.
The 168 acres has a house on it and we will move there in the next 3-6 months and sell our current house in Manhattan.
Our plan is to plant a pecan orchard and graze sheep and cattle. We'll probably also do some pastured poultry and pastured pork. The grazing will be done in a Greg Judy-style regenerative way.
In the last 12 months we have also purchased a mature 22-acre pecan orchard that is 15 minutes southeast of Little Rock, AR as well as a retail pecan business that goes along with it. We purchased this with friends of ours from when we lived in Little Rock and they live at the farm to manage the day to day things.
Seems more like a Brag About Some Stud Thing thread thing.
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Not sure if this is a mid-life crisis or not, but my wife and I are in the process (under contract) of buying 168 acres in Wilson County, KS. It is primarily a grass property. There are some hardwoods on the southern portion around the creeks. We currently own 80 acres in Wilson County and will likely sell that.
The 168 acres has a house on it and we will move there in the next 3-6 months and sell our current house in Manhattan.
Our plan is to plant a pecan orchard and graze sheep and cattle. We'll probably also do some pastured poultry and pastured pork. The grazing will be done in a Greg Judy-style regenerative way.
In the last 12 months we have also purchased a mature 22-acre pecan orchard that is 15 minutes southeast of Little Rock, AR as well as a retail pecan business that goes along with it. We purchased this with friends of ours from when we lived in Little Rock and they live at the farm to manage the day to day things.
Seems more like a Brag About Some Stud Thing thread thing.
yeah, that's a good thread for this
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Is there such a thing as a pecan baron? Guess you're about to find out! :excited:
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nifty nuthouse going to come for your ass
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Start a pecan pie business. Sell your artisanal pecan pies in every Dillon's store from coast to coast.
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I need to know how you pronounce pecan before I decide how to feel about it
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iirc people in kansas and arkansas pronounce "pecan" differently, Justwin. is this true and followup Q, do you change pronunciations accordingly like you're in a spy novel?
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Pecans? I was listening to a podcast and they said KS might become a meca of elderberry farms soon
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Pecan is my hardwood of choice when I bbq. Let me know when I can grab a load of trimmings while driving through.
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I started the Chum plan about 6 months ago.
I made a list(no certain order):
2. I want to go see the Northern Lights in one of the Scandinavian countries, Iceland, or something like that. I want one of those bungalow things where it's dark as eff and just wild space light.
Seeing the Northern Lights is a special treat, and you don't have to go to Europe to do it (but I can respect that you want/need to go visit there for the auxiliary reasons). I was driving through Northern Maine one night when the northern lights came out and like literally half the sky was green and looked like it was on fire. Trippiest experience I have ever had. I didn't know just how extremely lucky I was to witness that. It was intense. But don't go anywhere expecting the NL...they are fickle fickle fickle.
3. I want to go on a hike trip in a Dark Sky refuge where we can get the absolute best view of the Milky Way available in the US.
This is legit one of the best places to go for dark sky viewing, and it's not that far away:
https://www.nebraskastarparty.org
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Not sure if this is a mid-life crisis or not, but my wife and I are in the process (under contract) of buying 168 acres in Wilson County, KS. It is primarily a grass property. There are some hardwoods on the southern portion around the creeks. We currently own 80 acres in Wilson County and will likely sell that.
The 168 acres has a house on it and we will move there in the next 3-6 months and sell our current house in Manhattan.
Our plan is to plant a pecan orchard and graze sheep and cattle. We'll probably also do some pastured poultry and pastured pork. The grazing will be done in a Greg Judy-style regenerative way.
that sounds pretty great.
for some reason i thought you lived in nevada or somewhere like that.
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I started the Chum plan about 6 months ago.
I made a list(no certain order):
2. I want to go see the Northern Lights in one of the Scandinavian countries, Iceland, or something like that. I want one of those bungalow things where it's dark as eff and just wild space light.
Seeing the Northern Lights is a special treat, and you don't have to go to Europe to do it (but I can respect that you want/need to go visit there for the auxiliary reasons). I was driving through Northern Maine one night when the northern lights came out and like literally half the sky was green and looked like it was on fire. Trippiest experience I have ever had. I didn't know just how extremely lucky I was to witness that. It was intense. But don't go anywhere expecting the NL...they are fickle fickle fickle.
3. I want to go on a hike trip in a Dark Sky refuge where we can get the absolute best view of the Milky Way available in the US.
This is legit one of the best places to go for dark sky viewing, and it's not that far away:
https://www.nebraskastarparty.org
That looks pretty cool, but I want to do it with just myself and a small group. My son, my little bro, and probably his boys. I may look at that location outside of the Star Party. Thanks for the link
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Sys, you should check out r/Prospecting. I never knew prospecting for gold might be interesting. Didn't you say you are in Fresno? Wasn't that the heart of the gold rush?
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You could let your pet snakes swim in the stream while you do it
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Sys, you should check out r/Prospecting. I never knew prospecting for gold might be interesting. Didn't you say you are in Fresno? Wasn't that the heart of the gold rush?
a little north of here, although there was some gold mining in this area as well.
a coworker is pretty into prospecting, has all sorts of semi-industrial equipment to do it. doesn't seem that interesting to me, however.
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I think I'd like to learn to whip together really good youtube videos. like travel videos, sports videos of my kids, all that stuff. I'm not going to do the work to learn it but I'd like to just have it imprinted in my brain.
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I think I'd like to learn to whip together really good youtube videos. like travel videos, sports videos of my kids, all that stuff. I'm not going to do the work to learn it but I'd like to just have it imprinted in my brain.
on this note you should see my gamechanger set up. very elite.
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I think I'd like to learn to whip together really good youtube videos. like travel videos, sports videos of my kids, all that stuff. I'm not going to do the work to learn it but I'd like to just have it imprinted in my brain.
I learned how to make sports highlight videos pretty quickly. It's kinda fun.
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Sys—
I could see you getting in to betting on college basketball or elections. Do you have any interest in poker?
It is far enough off for me that it will probably be very different but I thought spending 40 hours a week playing and or dealing poker a week would be enjoyable for me for when I retire.
The one overarching thing I cannot emphasize enough is that time here on earth is limited.
finding your purpose or what is fulfilling or what will be beneficial to others while here is the most important question you can try to answer. we all answer that question, whether we are thinking it or not, with our choices and actions every day.
I’ve had too many people that I know never even get to enjoy a retirement, I plan on not putting too much off until then but also retiring as early as I can and I’ve definitely changed my ways significantly health wise to prioritize being able to move around should I get to 80+.
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Great thread. I'm not there yet, but I already know my midlife crisis will basically be confronting whether I can seriously hit a nice retirement early at my current job or if I need to transition to a lower paying, less stress arrangement with a longer horizon. Maybe I need to read more into this mini retirement thing.
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4. I want to hike as much of the Utah national parks as I can before getting bored with them.
There is no getting bored. Just a continuously growing list of things to see outside the parks and seasonal breaks to renew the fever.
I thought spending 40 hours a week playing and or dealing poker a week would be enjoyable for me for when I retire.
My grandpa farmed his entire life until he physically couldn’t do it anymore.. Then he worked another 20 years at a casino. If you like people and numbers, it’s a pretty good option.
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I need to know how you pronounce pecan before I decide how to feel about it
pi-kän' (cross between puh-kahn and pi-kahn)
All of the other pecan farmers in Arkansas that I have met say it the same way.
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Pecan is my hardwood of choice when I bbq. Let me know when I can grab a load of trimmings while driving through.
With enough notice, that really wouldn't be a problem.
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Sys—
I could see you getting in to betting on college basketball or elections. Do you have any interest in poker?
It is far enough off for me that it will probably be very different but I thought spending 40 hours a week playing and or dealing poker a week would be enjoyable for me for when I retire.
The one overarching thing I cannot emphasize enough is that time here on earth is limited.
finding your purpose or what is fulfilling or what will be beneficial to others while here is the most important question you can try to answer. we all answer that question, whether we are thinking it or not, with our choices and actions every day.
I’ve had too many people that I know never even get to enjoy a retirement, I plan on not putting too much off until then but also retiring as early as I can and I’ve definitely changed my ways significantly health wise to prioritize being able to move around should I get to 80+.
Being completely retired and spending your days golfing and/or playing break even to moderately winning poker, then spending your weekends volunteering and/or doing family stuff is a beautiful retirement vision.
Teachers are prime candidates to be semi-pro poker players too.
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my old man plans:
art/painting
get good at chess
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I'm retiring in seven years as long as I can afford the health insurance. Otherwise, I grind until medicare. I don't have a hard job and WFH. So I could grind it easily until 65.
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Those of you guys still in your 30s or even early 40s who are scared of a potential midlife crisis, if you want to avoid that try and talk your wife or partner into having a child in your mid to late 40s, you'll find purpose real quick, particularly if that child is a rowdy little boy.
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Those of you guys still in your 30s or even early 40s who are scared of a potential midlife crisis, if you want to avoid that try and talk your wife or partner into having a child in your mid to late 40s, you'll find purpose real quick, particularly if that child is a rowdy little boy.
lol
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Those of you guys still in your 30s or even early 40s who are scared of a potential midlife crisis, if you want to avoid that try and talk your wife or partner into having a child in your mid to late 40s, you'll find purpose real quick, particularly if that child is a rowdy little boy.
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I think a strong mix of volunteering (like a scheduled, almost part-time job like structure) and focus on personal hobbies (snakes/other outdoorsy sys stuff) would be a good mix of meaning/purpose and leisure.
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Yeah volunteering is great. Spend your whole life working for money and then you get to work for free at the end!
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I'm retiring in seven years as long as I can afford the health insurance. Otherwise, I grind until medicare. I don't have a hard job and WFH. So I could grind it easily until 65.
This is where I am. Prob not 7 years, but hopefully around there. My job is totally fine, but not having to do it would be finer.
I'm prob close to mid life crisis I think. I am very lucky and have a great life. Like a million times better than anyone I ever knew would have thought including me. I'm just sort of bored with everything though. Its just the same crap every single day for the most part. I try to find things to keep myself stimulated, but there is the normal day to day stuff that take up most of the time. I struggle with "looking forward" vs not wanting to wish time away. I probably just need therapy. :dunno:
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Yeah volunteering is great. Spend your whole life working for money and then you get to work for free at the end!
Sys sounds like he wants a fulfilling activity. I don't know that site-seeing or cross country motorcycle trips are gonna scratch that itch.
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Yeah volunteering is great. Spend your whole life working for money and then you get to work for free at the end!
Sys sounds like he wants a fulfilling activity. I don't know that site-seeing or cross country motorcycle trips are gonna scratch that itch.
Just gE'ing ya babe, #zapped
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Yeah volunteering is great. Spend your whole life working for money and then you get to work for free at the end!
Sys sounds like he wants a fulfilling activity. I don't know that site-seeing or cross country motorcycle trips are gonna scratch that itch.
Just gE'ing ya babe, #zapped
Ha. Got 'em!
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Those of you guys still in your 30s or even early 40s who are scared of a potential midlife crisis, if you want to avoid that try and talk your wife or partner into having a child in your mid to late 40s, you'll find purpose real quick, particularly if that child is a rowdy little boy.
Uh. Pretty sure that path is what caused my MLC. Probably would have gone without one if it wasn’t for a toddler in my mid 40s.
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Wife finally got into a great spot with her career 2 years ago. Found a good job and we moved. Guess what? She F'n hates it. She has found another job with hopefully less stress, but no guaranteed salary. Income should ramp up within a year or two. We've done a good job saving the last 2 years, but it appears we are going to spend it all moving/finding a new house/living until her salary increases.
I think overall it will be a good move for us, but it feels like we are just resetting 3+ years back.
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This may be more applicable to tdaver but I pictured retired sys volunteering at a park and giving tours, if they're lucky. Maybe your love for nature doesn't extend beyond snakes, though.
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This may be more applicable to tdaver but I pictured retired sys volunteering at a park and giving tours, if they're lucky. Maybe your love for nature doesn't extend beyond snakes, though.
I don't know for certain but I'm guessing sys doesn't want to interact with humans if he doesn't have to.
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I think I'd like to learn to whip together really good youtube videos. like travel videos, sports videos of my kids, all that stuff. I'm not going to do the work to learn it but I'd like to just have it imprinted in my brain.
on this note you should see my gamechanger set up. very elite.
Tell me more. What's more to set up than use the regular app and miss your kids at bat because you messed up or the other guy that does it messed something up and you had to fix it?
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This may be more applicable to tdaver but I pictured retired sys volunteering at a park and giving tours, if they're lucky. Maybe your love for nature doesn't extend beyond snakes, though.
Have you ever met sys?
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Buckets backup plan for sys is volunteering at a children's hospital
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At first I thought sys would hate being a lunch supervisor at an elementary school, but it would funny as hell to watch sys just rough ridin' dunk on kids and put up wilt chamberlin numbers in a 15 minute recess. Maybe he would love it?
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Yeah, Mr. Sys would be a school hero.
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I definitely like the idea of sys getting really in to zoning and making an entire town’s elected officials and government workers tremble before his public comments and open records requests.
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This may be more applicable to tdaver but I pictured retired sys volunteering at a park and giving tours, if they're lucky. Maybe your love for nature doesn't extend beyond snakes, though.
Have you ever met sys?
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No, is he not as warm and welcoming in person as he is on gE?
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Those of you guys still in your 30s or even early 40s who are scared of a potential midlife crisis, if you want to avoid that try and talk your wife or partner into having a child in your mid to late 40s, you'll find purpose real quick, particularly if that child is a rowdy little boy.
Uh. Pretty sure that path is what caused my MLC. Probably would have gone without one if it wasn’t for a toddler in my mid 40s.
Same, along with anxiety, insecurity and self-doubt. But it’s all good.
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sys, let’s operate a dog rescue/adoption thing up here.
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Sys, you should get super into KSU hoops again.
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This may be more applicable to tdaver but I pictured retired sys volunteering at a park and giving tours, if they're lucky.
I’ve joked with friends that I’d work part time at a running store to maintain a supply of shoes. I couldn’t handle tourist work.
I like to think I’d be content moving seasonally from mountains to desert, daily trail runs with pup, and food/drinks on a patio with mrstdaver. Maybe volunteer at trail races or something like that. And of course hit a couple KSU games each year, which will be a lot easier if we stay in the same conference as the four corners schools.
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I’ve come full circle on the ol’ midlife stuff. It hit me super hard when I turned 40. I didn’t think it would, but it did. That’s been a bit ago now, and I am basically in total “whatever man” mode now. Some days suck, some don’t. Who the eff knows, man.
My dad died in his early 70’s of heart stuff, like every single male relative of mine. My mom has Alzheimer’s. I used to worry a lot about retirement, I don’t really worry about that anymore. I have some stuff I would really, really hate to lose, but eff it. If I am healthy enough mentally and physically to work when I am of retirement age, I should consider myself very very lucky. If I am not, eff it, I won’t know the difference.
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I sometimes dream of getting a job like bank teller or something that I wouldn’t have to think about after I leave work. Not sure that qualifies, though I’ve actively thought about quitting without another gig lined up pretty often over the last 6 months.
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I sometimes dream of getting a job like bank teller or something that I wouldn’t have to think about after I leave work. Not sure that qualifies, though I’ve actively thought about quitting without another gig lined up pretty often over the last 6 months.
I was like that for a long, long time. Not saying you are doing this, but I did this…I would drown myself in self pity about not having that option because my wife can’t work and kids need college and mortgage, yada yada yada. Then, I tried to shut off my work at night and weekends. I just don’t open my work email anymore after a certain point, and not at all on the weekend. They have my cell phone, they’ll call/text if something is on fire.
And, life has gotten better and I am probably doing just as well at work. Definitely better attitude, which almost always translates into better relationships and more money. It didn’t remove all my problems or anything drastic, but it helps.
So, instead of quitting and saying eff it all, just stay where you are at and say “eff it” more. Might actually make everyone happier.
Hilarious irony.
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I’ve come full circle on the ol’ midlife stuff. It hit me super hard when I turned 40. I didn’t think it would, but it did. That’s been a bit ago now, and I am basically in total “whatever man” mode now. Some days suck, some don’t. Who the eff knows, man.
My dad died in his early 70’s of heart stuff, like every single male relative of mine. My mom has Alzheimer’s. I used to worry a lot about retirement, I don’t really worry about that anymore. I have some stuff I would really, really hate to lose, but eff it. If I am healthy enough mentally and physically to work when I am of retirement age, I should consider myself very very lucky. If I am not, eff it, I won’t know the difference.
I'm coming around to the same. Its gotten me in just that i'm mostly bored with the day to day stuff. Every weekday is pretty much the same and it just feels like groundhog day a lot. My dad died at 69 with heart stuff too so that has def made me think about figuring crap out way sooner. He had just recently retired and bought a little cabin near a lake and golf course. After working his whole damn life, he got to live the life he mostly wanted for less than 2 years.... bam.
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I sometimes dream of getting a job like bank teller or something that I wouldn’t have to think about after I leave work. Not sure that qualifies, though I’ve actively thought about quitting without another gig lined up pretty often over the last 6 months.
I was like that for a long, long time. Not saying you are doing this, but I did this…I would drown myself in self pity about not having that option because my wife can’t work and kids need college and mortgage, yada yada yada. Then, I tried to shut off my work at night and weekends. I just don’t open my work email anymore after a certain point, and not at all on the weekend. They have my cell phone, they’ll call/text if something is on fire.
And, life has gotten better and I am probably doing just as well at work. Definitely better attitude, which almost always translates into better relationships and more money. It didn’t remove all my problems or anything drastic, but it helps.
So, instead of quitting and saying eff it all, just stay where you are at and say “eff it” more. Might actually make everyone happier.
Hilarious irony.
I'm pretty much right there, very tettering on getting stress free job or just not caring as much about current one. Will take this advice on advisement.
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For the record, I waffle on this all the time and need to get myself re-aligned, but it’s progress. For example, some days I will be back in the poor-me horse crap out of nowhere. When that happens, I am inclined to blame everything around me. Not good! So I have to DO something and get off my ass, which is super duper rough ridin' hard to do when I am feeling low. Anyway, the point is that no one “figures this out.” It’s a life long process. Let’s just try our best to not torture ourselves along the way.
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not really midlife crisis related but I've been really horny for marcus aurelius lately and that kind of stoicism would benefit a lot of midlife crisis havers I think and pete's posts made me think of it.
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not really midlife crisis related but I've been really horny for marcus aurelius lately and that kind of stoicism would benefit a lot of midlife crisis havers I think and pete's posts made me think of it.
:ROFL:
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not really midlife crisis related but I've been really horny for marcus aurelius lately and that kind of stoicism would benefit a lot of midlife crisis havers I think and pete's posts made me think of it.
If you have audible get the version of Meditations read by Duncan Steen. He could make reading the phone book interesting.
https://www.audible.com/pd/B004IBRMZS?source_code=ASSORAP0511160006&share_location=library_overflow
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Kudos to Pete for posting real crap itt.
1. Put relationship w/ God (or higher power) above all else. Carve out time for this.
2. Take on worldview of abundance, shun scarcity worldview. Look for reasons to be grateful and meditate in thankfulness.
3. Focus on nutrition, health, sleep. treat your mind and body with love.
4. Speak less, do more, especially to help others and those in need.
5. Want/desire less.
6. Pay less/little attention to anything divisive.
7. Find hobbies activities pertaining to life (gardening, pets, lawn care/landscaping, growing indoor plants, raising chickens etc.).
I say these things not because, I’ve accomplished them or have mastered them. I’ve dealt with crippling anxiety, depression, self-pity and resentment, etc. at times over the past couple of years specifically.
Pride and ego are killers of peace of mind.
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not really midlife crisis related but I've been really horny for marcus aurelius lately and that kind of stoicism would benefit a lot of midlife crisis havers I think and pete's posts made me think of it.
If you have audible get the version of Meditations read by Duncan Steen. He could make reading the phone book interesting.
https://www.audible.com/pd/B004IBRMZS?source_code=ASSORAP0511160006&share_location=library_overflow
Meditations is pretty good, probably my favorite
“Never let the future disturb you. You will meet it, if you have to, with the same weapons of reason which today arm you against the present.”
Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
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not really midlife crisis related but I've been really horny for marcus aurelius lately and that kind of stoicism would benefit a lot of midlife crisis havers I think and pete's posts made me think of it.
If you have audible get the version of Meditations read by Duncan Steen. He could make reading the phone book interesting.
https://www.audible.com/pd/B004IBRMZS?source_code=ASSORAP0511160006&share_location=library_overflow
Meditations is pretty good, probably my favorite
“Never let the future disturb you. You will meet it, if you have to, with the same weapons of reason which today arm you against the present.”
Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
need to get back into this. I was doing ok for a while and tried meditating a couple days a week or whatever. Its really hard, but man, those times where you get locked in are pretty freaking great. I can sometimes do it in the sauna and its such a great feeling. Been a while though.
Also, we are getting dangerously close to merging with the getting old ballz thread.
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not really midlife crisis related but I've been really horny for marcus aurelius lately and that kind of stoicism would benefit a lot of midlife crisis havers I think and pete's posts made me think of it.
If you have audible get the version of Meditations read by Duncan Steen. He could make reading the phone book interesting.
https://www.audible.com/pd/B004IBRMZS?source_code=ASSORAP0511160006&share_location=library_overflow
Meditations is pretty good, probably my favorite
“Never let the future disturb you. You will meet it, if you have to, with the same weapons of reason which today arm you against the present.”
Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
need to get back into this. I was doing ok for a while and tried meditating a couple days a week or whatever. Its really hard, but man, those times where you get locked in are pretty freaking great. I can sometimes do it in the sauna and its such a great feeling. Been a while though.
Also, we are getting dangerously close to merging with the getting old ballz thread.
The Manual (enchiridion) - Epictetus (I don’t like this narrator so much)
https://www.audible.com/pd/B071HY6C79?source_code=ASSORAP0511160006&share_location=library_overflow
The Enchiridion & Discourses - Epictetus (much better narrator than other book. Read by Haward B Morse)
Letters from a stoic - Seneca
https://www.audible.com/pd/0241429641?source_code=ASSORAP0511160006&share_location=library_overflow
Marcus Aurielius’ meditations/journal is really hard on himself, and that can sometimes get me down. Seneca and Epictetus are less overbearing imo.
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Kudos to Pete for posting real crap itt.
1. Put relationship w/ God (or higher power) above all else. Carve out time for this.
2. Take on worldview of abundance, shun scarcity worldview. Look for reasons to be grateful and meditate in thankfulness.
3. Focus on nutrition, health, sleep. treat your mind and body with love.
4. Speak less, do more, especially to help others and those in need.
5. Want/desire less.
6. Pay less/little attention to anything divisive.
7. Find hobbies activities pertaining to life (gardening, pets, lawn care/landscaping, growing indoor plants, raising chickens etc.).
I say these things not because, I’ve accomplished them or have mastered them. I’ve dealt with crippling anxiety, depression, self-pity and resentment, etc. at times over the past couple of years specifically.
Pride and ego are killers of peace of mind.
Don't raise chickens. Gross.
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Kudos to Pete for posting real crap itt.
1. Put relationship w/ God (or higher power) above all else. Carve out time for this.
2. Take on worldview of abundance, shun scarcity worldview. Look for reasons to be grateful and meditate in thankfulness.
3. Focus on nutrition, health, sleep. treat your mind and body with love.
4. Speak less, do more, especially to help others and those in need.
5. Want/desire less.
6. Pay less/little attention to anything divisive.
7. Find hobbies activities pertaining to life (gardening, pets, lawn care/landscaping, growing indoor plants, raising chickens etc.).
I say these things not because, I’ve accomplished them or have mastered them. I’ve dealt with crippling anxiety, depression, self-pity and resentment, etc. at times over the past couple of years specifically.
Pride and ego are killers of peace of mind.
Don't raise chickens. Gross.
Garbage disposals second only to pigs.
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Also, we are getting dangerously close to merging with the getting old ballz thread.
Yeah, you guys are making me feel sad.
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WARNING, I AM NOT A PRO MEDITATOR, ONLY AMATEUR!
As I understand it, one of the benefits of meditation is the “being here now” thing and giving your brain a break from your depression about the past and anxiety about the future. Just focus on the crap in front of you, kind of thing, right?
Anyway, I kinda get that from riding mountain bike trails. I have to focus on that entirely or I will break my legs and arms. Couldn’t worry about other crap if I had to. I think there are other less strenuous ways to do that. Some people like video games or card games for this reason. Whatever you can focus on and block all the other crap out, seems good for you in moderation. That’s about as close to meditation as I get.
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Also, we are getting dangerously close to merging with the getting old ballz thread.
Yeah, you guys are making me feel sad.
I encourage you to think of this crap as a challenge you will be well equipped to overcome!
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WARNING, I AM NOT A PRO MEDITATOR, ONLY AMATEUR!
As I understand it, one of the benefits of meditation is the “being here now” thing and giving your brain a break from your depression about the past and anxiety about the future. Just focus on the crap in front of you, kind of thing, right?
Anyway, I kinda get that from riding mountain bike trails. I have to focus on that entirely or I will break my legs and arms. Couldn’t worry about other crap if I had to. I think there are other less strenuous ways to do that. Some people like video games or card games for this reason. Whatever you can focus on and block all the other crap out, seems good for you in moderation. That’s about as close to meditation as I get.
Sitting in the sauna and listening to Manchester Orchestra is way less leg breaky, but nice work finding something that works for you Pete. :cheers:
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Kudos to Pete for posting real crap itt.
1. Put relationship w/ God (or higher power) above all else. Carve out time for this.
2. Take on worldview of abundance, shun scarcity worldview. Look for reasons to be grateful and meditate in thankfulness.
3. Focus on nutrition, health, sleep. treat your mind and body with love.
4. Speak less, do more, especially to help others and those in need.
5. Want/desire less.
6. Pay less/little attention to anything divisive.
7. Find hobbies activities pertaining to life (gardening, pets, lawn care/landscaping, growing indoor plants, raising chickens etc.).
I say these things not because, I’ve accomplished them or have mastered them. I’ve dealt with crippling anxiety, depression, self-pity and resentment, etc. at times over the past couple of years specifically.
Pride and ego are killers of peace of mind.
Don't raise chickens. Gross.
Yeah. If you live in the city, raising chickens makes you a terrible neighbor. If you live rurally, it's exhausting to constantly come up with ways to keep the predators out.
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My cousin lives out in the sticks near wichita and they raise chickens (and have a few dozen head of cattle). Anyway, she was telling this story about how she walked outside one afternoon and saw one of her chickens had a huge chunk taken out of its back. She was shocked and didn't really have the stomach to put it out of its misery. So she just sat with the bird and comforted/kind of pet it i guess until her husband got home and kill it.
Turns out, it was the dog that did it. Bad dog!
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My cousin lives out in the sticks near wichita and they raise chickens (and have a few dozen head of cattle). Anyway, she was telling this story about how she walked outside one afternoon and saw one of her chickens had a huge chunk taken out of its back. She was shocked and didn't really have the stomach to put it out of its misery. So she just sat with the bird and comforted/kind of pet it i guess until her husband got home and kill it.
Turns out, it was the dog that did it. Bad dog!
That chicken was only a couple hours away from being chicken food to the others.
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What's the complaint with chickens? If it's the noise, it can't be any worse than most peoples dogs.
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Doesn’t have to be chickens. Anything pertaining to life, but especially things that produce value fruit, eggs, meat, veggies, etc.
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I like gardening a lot more than I thought I would. We started one last year and have tomatoes, cucumbers, and zucchini. When I put a large slice of homegrown tomato on top of my burger I am reminded of these words from Gandhi, "To forget how to dig the earth and to tend the soil is to forget ourselves."
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What's the complaint with chickens? If it's the noise, it can't be any worse than most peoples dogs.
It's the dumbasses that buy roosters in the city.
Just buy another dozen chicks at Tractor Supply in the spring. No need for male genitals jizz.
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What's the complaint with chickens? If it's the noise, it can't be any worse than most peoples dogs.
It's the dumbasses that buy roosters in the city.
Just buy another dozen chicks at Tractor Supply in the spring. No need for male genitals jizz.
I have to think in most cities roosters would be illegal to have. That’s how it is in Dallas.
As far as not liking your neighbors having chickens, I’m sure noise and smell is part of it, but they definitely do attract predators even in the city.
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They smell really bad
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They smell really bad
yep, but I live in Iowa and there isn't a single square inch of the state that doesn't smell like pig crap.
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They smell really bad
yep, but I live in Iowa and there isn't a single square inch of the state that doesn't smell like pig crap.
Fair point
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Rather smell nicname or chickens?
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Can 6 chickens really smell all that bad? Maybe I need to run an experiment.
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What's the complaint with chickens? If it's the noise, it can't be any worse than most peoples dogs.
I know this is unpopular, but I don't like living near dogs either.
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What's the complaint with chickens? If it's the noise, it can't be any worse than most peoples dogs.
I know this is unpopular, but I don't like living near dogs either.
Agree. I appreciate dogs for what they are but prefer not to be around them all else equal.
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Depends on the kind of dog and how slovenly you're comfortable living.
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This is why I don't trust steve dave and neither should you
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:frown:
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Can 6 chickens really smell all that bad? Maybe I need to run an experiment.
Growing up we would pen up 4-6. I didn’t notice a smell unless you were in the coop. I don’t know if being in the country, compared to in town, makes a difference or if I just have no sense of smell. I imagine cleaning out your coop makes a difference and we were pretty good about that.
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What's the complaint with chickens? If it's the noise, it can't be any worse than most peoples dogs.
I know this is unpopular, but I don't like living near dogs either.
Agree. I appreciate dogs for what they are but prefer not to be around them all else equal.
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No matter how much people like their dog there is no way anybody enjoys living around other dogs.
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What's the complaint with chickens? If it's the noise, it can't be any worse than most peoples dogs.
I know this is unpopular, but I don't like living near dogs either.
Agree. I appreciate dogs for what they are but prefer not to be around them all else equal.
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No matter how much people like their dog there is no way anybody enjoys living around other dogs.
My dog doesn't even like other dogs.
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What's the complaint with chickens? If it's the noise, it can't be any worse than most peoples dogs.
I know this is unpopular, but I don't like living near dogs either.
Agree. I appreciate dogs for what they are but prefer not to be around them all else equal.
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No matter how much people like their dog there is no way anybody enjoys living around other dogs.
My dog doesn't even like other dogs.
good point. Dogs like being the only dog to dog around them.
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Like if i walk up to your house and you have a dog themed welcome mat i assume I’m about to have a bad time.
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What's the complaint with chickens? If it's the noise, it can't be any worse than most peoples dogs.
I know this is unpopular, but I don't like living near dogs either.
Agree. I appreciate dogs for what they are but prefer not to be around them all else equal.
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No matter how much people like their dog there is no way anybody enjoys living around other dogs.
My dog doesn't even like other dogs.
good point. Dogs like being the only dog to dog around them.
A lot like kids. Mine are great, but I don’t really want to be around anyone else’s.
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Like if i walk up to your house and you have a dog themed welcome mat i assume I’m about to have a bad time.
This is 100% true, BUT having a dog and having a dog themed welcome mat are entirely different things
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I love non-aggressive breeds.
Dogs aren’t kids/people.
You aren’t a dog parent. There is no such thing.
Keep your dogs in dog spaces.
The perfect family dog is probably a golden doodle. I would say golden retriever but they shed.
Dog nutters are the worst.
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Like if i walk up to your house and you have a dog themed welcome mat i assume I’m about to have a bad time.
This is 100% true, BUT having a dog and having a dog themed welcome mat are entirely different things
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We have an outdoor dog that we let inside some. Best kind of dog!
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We have an outdoor dog that we let inside some. Best kind of dog!
you lost me at "let inside some"
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We have an outdoor dog that we let inside some. Best kind of dog!
All our pets have been indoor/outdoor.
Ted (cat) is 15 now and doing better than he was a year or two ago. He’s been through the absolute ringer. Tons of fights. Multiple moves. He was an indoor cat only for about a year when he was young and obviously depressed at the time. Been a farm cat too. He’s a boss.
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What determines if a dog is an outdoor dog vs indoor dog? Is it even legal to have a dog outdoors 247365 in a city?
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We have an outdoor dog that we let inside some. Best kind of dog!
you lost me at "let inside some"
KIDS! Same with our "outdoor" only cats
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I thought pro-cancer was the worst thing about cf3.
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Can 6 chickens really smell all that bad? Maybe I need to run an experiment.
Growing up we would pen up 4-6. I didn’t notice a smell unless you were in the coop. I don’t know if being in the country, compared to in town, makes a difference or if I just have no sense of smell. I imagine cleaning out your coop makes a difference and we were pretty good about that.
Yep. Just clean out the coop once a week. If you have wood floors, put down a vapor barrier and cover with straw. Keeps the doodoo off the wood.
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What determines if a dog is an outdoor dog vs indoor dog? Is it even legal to have a dog outdoors 247365 in a city?
an outdoor dog never comes in the house. doesn't seem very confusing.
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Can 6 chickens really smell all that bad? Maybe I need to run an experiment.
Growing up we would pen up 4-6. I didn’t notice a smell unless you were in the coop. I don’t know if being in the country, compared to in town, makes a difference or if I just have no sense of smell. I imagine cleaning out your coop makes a difference and we were pretty good about that.
Yep. Just clean out the coop once a week. If you have wood floors, put down a vapor barrier and cover with straw. Keeps the doodoo off the wood.
man, owning chickens whips ass!
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Can 6 chickens really smell all that bad? Maybe I need to run an experiment.
Growing up we would pen up 4-6. I didn’t notice a smell unless you were in the coop. I don’t know if being in the country, compared to in town, makes a difference or if I just have no sense of smell. I imagine cleaning out your coop makes a difference and we were pretty good about that.
Yep. Just clean out the coop once a week. If you have wood floors, put down a vapor barrier and cover with straw. Keeps the doodoo off the wood.
man, owning chickens whips ass!
We free range for the most part. They all come back to the coop each night. Keep the young ones in separate pens until they're big enough to not get killed by the older hens or humped to death by the dirty ol male genitals.
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What determines if a dog is an outdoor dog vs indoor dog? Is it even legal to have a dog outdoors 247365 in a city?
I'm sure it's legal provided you have adequate shelter and access to water and food. I've never met someone who lives in a city that just keeps their dog outside all the time though, lots of dog people let the thing sleep in the bed with them.
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I feel like most "outdoor dogs" live like 5 years max before they run off or get hit by a car. granted this could just be my farm dog experience.
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What determines if a dog is an outdoor dog vs indoor dog? Is it even legal to have a dog outdoors 247365 in a city?
I'm sure it's legal provided you have adequate shelter and access to water and food. I've never met someone who lives in a city that just keeps their dog outside all the time though, lots of dog people let the thing sleep in the bed with them.
Never encountered an outdoor dog besides farms
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I feel like most "outdoor dogs" live like 5 years max before they run off or get hit by a car. granted this could just be my farm dog experience.
yeah, it's definitely darwin in action. we had one that just had "it". name was max. half german shepard half huskie. perfect sw ks breed (lmao wtf?). but, he dominated farm life. probably because he was big and mean as crap. but only seemed like it. irl he was a giant teddy bear. but he barked like crazy whenever anyone drove within 1/4 mile from our house which was his main job. he lived to be like 15 years old which is insane because he never entered a house and would lose his mind if you tried to make him come into the house and obviously lived a tough old farm dog life. he was the only animal I ever saw my dad show any kind of emotion towards. when he died my dad put him in a 50 gallon drum and buried it on our ranch with a front end loader somewhere. kind of weird right? yeah, I know. pretty fuckin' sweet though.
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I am definitely pro dog. I had Goldens for many years, and after they died switched to little poodle mixes and am very happy with the decision to have little lap dogs. Definitely make my life better.
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I like living next to other dogs and my dog likes it too. Both are infinitely better than living with or near children.
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I have indoor/outdoor dogs. Basset hounds. They’re awesome.
I am a dog whisperer. Show me a mean dog or a dog that doesn’t like strangers and I’ll have a new bestie.
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Dogs pick up on bad energy so that's probably why all these weirdos don't like dogs
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Buncha secret service types on this blog
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All these mid lifers not liking dogs. Such a sad life. You still have 40 years to get it right.
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I like it when my co-workers bring their dogs to work. I really like it when oscar (Shih Tzu) comes and lays in the sun spot in my office.
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you dog people shouldn't get so defensive about having your dog. I'm for it. for you, just not for me personally. it's fine.
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Same. The wet nose and the hair and the licking, it's not for me.
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I have a dog and kids. I barely like mine, don't want anything to do with anyone else's.
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What's the complaint with chickens? If it's the noise, it can't be any worse than most peoples dogs.
I know this is unpopular, but I don't like living near dogs either.
Agree. I appreciate dogs for what they are but prefer not to be around them all else equal.
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No matter how much people like their dog there is no way anybody enjoys living around other dogs.
My neighbor has no dogs but loves my dogs and always ask's when he can watch them. Every day when he gets home my dogs hear his truck pull in, run to that corner of the lawn and then he walks over and pets them over the fence.
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I feel like most "outdoor dogs" live like 5 years max before they run off or get hit by a car. granted this could just be my farm dog experience.
yeah, it's definitely darwin in action. we had one that just had "it". name was max. half german shepard half huskie. perfect sw ks breed (lmao wtf?). but, he dominated farm life. probably because he was big and mean as crap. but only seemed like it. irl he was a giant teddy bear. but he barked like crazy whenever anyone drove within 1/4 mile from our house which was his main job. he lived to be like 15 years old which is insane because he never entered a house and would lose his mind if you tried to make him come into the house and obviously lived a tough old farm dog life. he was the only animal I ever saw my dad show any kind of emotion towards. when he died my dad put him in a 50 gallon drum and buried it on our ranch with a front end loader somewhere. kind of weird right? yeah, I know. pretty fuckin' sweet though.
Great story, Max lived a great farm dog life.
My grandparents had one farm dog (collie) that lived to like 12 when I was younger then went through 2-3 other outside farm dogs in like 6 years before they moved into town.
Every time lil ben ji would come to visit he would be excited to see the dog and it would always be a different one
ben ji "GRANDPA! Where is Gus?!?"
grandpa "He ate some rat poison"
ben ji "GRANDPA! Where is Tom!?!"
grandpa "Got hit by a car"
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I feel like most "outdoor dogs" live like 5 years max before they run off or get hit by a car. granted this could just be my farm dog experience.
yeah, it's definitely darwin in action. we had one that just had "it". name was max. half german shepard half huskie. perfect sw ks breed (lmao wtf?). but, he dominated farm life. probably because he was big and mean as crap. but only seemed like it. irl he was a giant teddy bear. but he barked like crazy whenever anyone drove within 1/4 mile from our house which was his main job. he lived to be like 15 years old which is insane because he never entered a house and would lose his mind if you tried to make him come into the house and obviously lived a tough old farm dog life. he was the only animal I ever saw my dad show any kind of emotion towards. when he died my dad put him in a 50 gallon drum and buried it on our ranch with a front end loader somewhere. kind of weird right? yeah, I know. pretty fuckin' sweet though.
Great story, Max lived a great farm dog life.
My grandparents had one farm dog (collie) that lived to like 12 when I was younger then went through 2-3 other outside farm dogs in like 6 years before they moved into town.
Every time lil ben ji would come to visit he would be excited to see the dog and it would always be a different one
ben ji "GRANDPA! Where is Gus?!?"
grandpa "He ate some rat poison"
ben ji "GRANDPA! Where is Tom!?!"
grandpa "Got hit by a car"
Good grief lol
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I feel like most "outdoor dogs" live like 5 years max before they run off or get hit by a car. granted this could just be my farm dog experience.
yeah, it's definitely darwin in action. we had one that just had "it". name was max. half german shepard half huskie. perfect sw ks breed (lmao wtf?). but, he dominated farm life. probably because he was big and mean as crap. but only seemed like it. irl he was a giant teddy bear. but he barked like crazy whenever anyone drove within 1/4 mile from our house which was his main job. he lived to be like 15 years old which is insane because he never entered a house and would lose his mind if you tried to make him come into the house and obviously lived a tough old farm dog life. he was the only animal I ever saw my dad show any kind of emotion towards. when he died my dad put him in a 50 gallon drum and buried it on our ranch with a front end loader somewhere. kind of weird right? yeah, I know. pretty fuckin' sweet though.
Man, I can't help but LMAO. Putting his dog in an underground vault reminds me of when my old man put Mom in a concrete vault. Three yrs. later he died and my bossy older brother wanted him to be buried in a vault like Mom was. I was in charge and my old man told me that he didn't want to be buried in a vault, but my older sister insisted that I follow my brother's wishes so he got buried in a vault. MY OLD MAN WOULD BE PISSED. I hope he doesn't bring that up in the afterlife. :pray:
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What's the complaint with chickens? If it's the noise, it can't be any worse than most peoples dogs.
I know this is unpopular, but I don't like living near dogs either.
Agree. I appreciate dogs for what they are but prefer not to be around them all else equal.
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No matter how much people like their dog there is no way anybody enjoys living around other dogs.
My neighbor has no dogs but loves my dogs and always ask's when he can watch them. Every day when he gets home my dogs hear his truck pull in, run to that corner of the lawn and then he walks over and pets them over the fence.
Oh man, this is a great neighbor. Doggie SF is a complete psycho (in the bestest way) and just hates going to the daycare/boarding place when we travel. I'd love a neighbor that would take her when we are gone.
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What's the complaint with chickens? If it's the noise, it can't be any worse than most peoples dogs.
I know this is unpopular, but I don't like living near dogs either.
Agree. I appreciate dogs for what they are but prefer not to be around them all else equal.
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No matter how much people like their dog there is no way anybody enjoys living around other dogs.
My neighbor has no dogs but loves my dogs and always ask's when he can watch them. Every day when he gets home my dogs hear his truck pull in, run to that corner of the lawn and then he walks over and pets them over the fence.
Oh man, this is a great neighbor. Doggie SF is a complete psycho (in the bestest way) and just hates going to the daycare/boarding place when we travel. I'd love a neighbor that would take her when we are gone.
Be careful, they may be abusing your dog. It has been known some are run by perverted dog handlers. They could be giving little SF doggo milk toast instead of a healthy bone. The worst ones will tie multi colored ribbons on your fur baby and the other dogs will reject her due to the transgender issue. BE CAREFUL MY FRIEND!
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What's the complaint with chickens? If it's the noise, it can't be any worse than most peoples dogs.
I know this is unpopular, but I don't like living near dogs either.
Agree. I appreciate dogs for what they are but prefer not to be around them all else equal.
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No matter how much people like their dog there is no way anybody enjoys living around other dogs.
My neighbor has no dogs but loves my dogs and always ask's when he can watch them. Every day when he gets home my dogs hear his truck pull in, run to that corner of the lawn and then he walks over and pets them over the fence.
Oh man, this is a great neighbor. Doggie SF is a complete psycho (in the bestest way) and just hates going to the daycare/boarding place when we travel. I'd love a neighbor that would take her when we are gone.
Be careful, they may be abusing your dog. It has been known some are run by perverted dog handlers. They could be giving little SF doggo milk toast instead of a healthy bone. The worst ones will tie multi colored ribbons on your fur baby and the other dogs will reject her due to the transgender issue. BE CAREFUL MY FRIEND!
This confused me so much I completely forgot what I was going to do after reading.
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What's the complaint with chickens? If it's the noise, it can't be any worse than most peoples dogs.
I know this is unpopular, but I don't like living near dogs either.
Agree. I appreciate dogs for what they are but prefer not to be around them all else equal.
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No matter how much people like their dog there is no way anybody enjoys living around other dogs.
My neighbor has no dogs but loves my dogs and always ask's when he can watch them. Every day when he gets home my dogs hear his truck pull in, run to that corner of the lawn and then he walks over and pets them over the fence.
Oh man, this is a great neighbor. Doggie SF is a complete psycho (in the bestest way) and just hates going to the daycare/boarding place when we travel. I'd love a neighbor that would take her when we are gone.
Be careful, they may be abusing your dog. It has been known some are run by perverted dog handlers. They could be giving little SF doggo milk toast instead of a healthy bone. The worst ones will tie multi colored ribbons on your fur baby and the other dogs will reject her due to the transgender issue. BE CAREFUL MY FRIEND!
This confused me so much I completely forgot what I was going to do after reading.
SF, life has it's ups and downs; sometimes it's hard to see around the corners.