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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: Trim on March 01, 2023, 09:33:47 PM
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I see lots of freakouts about fentanyl, a lot of it appearing to be some crap said to justify border walls or whatever.
Is fentanyl a drug that drug users seek out? Looks more like it’s getting mixed into other drugs. Why? For whose gain? Do drug dealers or someone further up the chain do that because it’s cheaper and they can sell an amount of supposedly some drug at full price when it’s actually some part other drug and other part fentanyl. Is it that, from the perspective of the druggie, that sort of product will get them more mumped up and they’ll prefer that over regular illegal drugs? Does that still make economic sense when you will end up killing off those customers quicker?
Does any of this create any danger to me if I already don’t do any drugs? I’m aware that there might be more/worse zombies around, but if they OD quicker, does it even out?
Basically, I want to know 1) within the drug world, how the economics of this works, and 2) does any of this matter to regular persons?
T-Y.
Asking here on gE because https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=43574.0
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I think it gets cut in to make watered down opiates more potent
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I think it gets cut in to make watered down opiates more potent
For who’s benefit?
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I think it gets cut in to make watered down opiates more potent
For who’s benefit?
My guess is it's cheaper than like heroin or whatever. But if it's really easy for your customers to OD on that doesn't seem like the best business move but what do I know.
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It is synthetic heroin. I don’t know the mechanism for how it works but for whatever reason it hits that sweet spot of being cheaper than heroin but something like 10x the potency. So when dealers cut their heroin with fentanyl it’s not uncommon for users to O.D.
And there does not appear to be any heroin that is immune to being cut with fentanyl. See: the artist formerly known as Prince.
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So let’s walk through the business plan of a heroin producer/dealer who has the option of substituting in part heroin and part fentanyl, or even entirely fentanyl, considering that those customers are much more likely to die.
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I'd imagine if you're doing heroin you're playing with death.
My thoughts was more on Cires/it's a substitute opioid after you've been hooked on opioid painkillers and your scripts ran out and still need to dull the pain.
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Listen carefully, I'm going to tell you a secret that big pharm doesn't want the masses to know. Through pharmaceutical company reps, Doctors were given lots of money(sales bonus) to prescribe this crap in place of less harmful opioids, which were less effective to relieve pain and more costly. About 10 years ago the FDA grew some balls and started investigating this scheme. They found out that it was widespread throughout the USA. Many doctors and drug reps. ending up in jail and/or losing their jobs, or medical licenses. Of course, now it's really hard to get fentanyl prescribed by medical doctors. This is why it is a mostly black-market drug. It's easy and cheap to make and is a stronger opioid than poppy, coke, morphine, or heroin. People in pain love this crap, but dumb fucks that sell it don't know what the right strength/amount is for a customer to take. Less than one gram can kill, BTW.
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So let’s walk through the business plan of a heroin producer/dealer who has the option of substituting in part heroin and part fentanyl, or even entirely fentanyl, considering that those customers are much more likely to die.
Same business plan that Cigarette and Booze companies have. More customers are born everyday.
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So let’s walk through the business plan of a heroin producer/dealer who has the option of substituting in part heroin and part fentanyl, or even entirely fentanyl, considering that those customers are much more likely to die.
Yes it’s a calculated risk for sure, I can only assume the pool of customers is still large enough that even a bunch of them dying isn’t going to impact demand. But I would imagine the market will eventually self correct
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So let’s walk through the business plan of a heroin producer/dealer who has the option of substituting in part heroin and part fentanyl, or even entirely fentanyl, considering that those customers are much more likely to die.
Same business plan that Cigarette and Booze companies have. More customers are born everyday.
The vast majority of booze and alcohol users consume decades' worth of product before they die from the product. To be fair I don't really know how fentanyl impacts opiate death rates but it seems like it has a pretty significant impact.
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So let’s walk through the business plan of a heroin producer/dealer who has the option of substituting in part heroin and part fentanyl, or even entirely fentanyl, considering that those customers are much more likely to die.
Same business plan that Cigarette and Booze companies have. More customers are born everyday.
The vast majority of booze and alcoholusers consume decades' worth of product before they die from the product. To be fair I don't really know how fentanyl impacts opiate death rates but it seems like it has a pretty significant impact.
I’m really starting to be concerned with how often you do this now :frown:
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I think the real heroin (from poppies) is much harder to make and smuggle. The synthetic stuff can be made in mexico in a lab with zero poppies. So, might as well cut the expensive poppies derived stuff with the lab stuff fulfill consumer demand of the poppies stuff (not telling them, of course)
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Then, there are people who just straight up want Fentanyl. The danger there is that the dudes in the lab in mexico probably are not ISO and 6 sigma quality guys, and there is some variance from batch to batch and pill to pill in the dosage. So, you are cruising along with your normal 10 fentanyl pills a day addiction or whatever, and then boom the next batch was a bit stronger and you OD.
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Also, stay off opiates, kids. Just don't do it.
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Also, stay off opiates, kids. Just don't do it.
Ultimately, that’s the takeaway I get from every fentanyl story. Not that border policies are killing us or that you’re gonna die eating halloween candy, but that it’s now even more dangerous to do those drugs. Kind of seems like a good thing all around?
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How does china get involved then?
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How does china get involved then?
Nearly all of the fentanyl raw material is produced in China.
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How does china get involved then?
Nearly all of the fentanyl raw material is produced in China.
why? Seems like this is a low profit venture
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When I was waiting in the ER a few weeks ago I overheard a woman talking about how her grandson died from a fentanyl laced blunt
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When I was waiting in the ER a few weeks ago I overheard a woman talking about how her grandson died from a fentanyl laced blunt
Reason #3245 why most drugs need to be legalized.
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Worth noting that the overwhelming majority of heroin users are not people who just decided one day “hey ya know what? I think I’ll dabble with heroin because why not?” It’s almost always a less potent opioid like oxy, Abe’s in many cases those ppl were not interested in being drug users, their doctors just gave them opioids bc they fell off the ladder when they were hanging their Christmas lights and the doc said “yeah an opioid is appropriate” and then bam they addicted and yes it really can (and does!) happen that way bc of the frighteningly addictive properties of opioids. A then when they can’t get any more refills, it’s not like the addiction just magically goes away, unfortunately
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Let's not secure the border (and amend immigration policy) cus Fent doesn't really seem to be all that bad, and it mainly just kills people already addicted to drugs . . . #blueanongE
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Big pharma, still gross.
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Worth noting that the overwhelming majority of heroin users are not people who just decided one day “hey ya know what? I think I’ll dabble with heroin because why not?” It’s almost always a less potent opioid like oxy, Abe’s in many cases those ppl were not interested in being drug users, their doctors just gave them opioids bc they fell off the ladder when they were hanging their Christmas lights and the doc said “yeah an opioid is appropriate” and then bam they addicted and yes it really can (and does!) happen that way bc of the frighteningly addictive properties of opioids. A then when they can’t get any more refills, it’s not like the addiction just magically goes away, unfortunately
:thumbs: This fentanyl uproar should serve as a call to action in the medical industry or regulation world as to such prescriptions and not making them or only making them when there's some control involved for avoiding that addiction and having plans for getting those people transitioned out of the prescription.
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Worth noting that the overwhelming majority of heroin users are not people who just decided one day “hey ya know what? I think I’ll dabble with heroin because why not?” It’s almost always a less potent opioid like oxy, Abe’s in many cases those ppl were not interested in being drug users, their doctors just gave them opioids bc they fell off the ladder when they were hanging their Christmas lights and the doc said “yeah an opioid is appropriate” and then bam they addicted and yes it really can (and does!) happen that way bc of the frighteningly addictive properties of opioids. A then when they can’t get any more refills, it’s not like the addiction just magically goes away, unfortunately
:thumbs: This fentanyl uproar should serve as a call to action in the medical industry or regulation world as to such prescriptions and not making them or only making them when there's some control involved for avoiding that addiction and having plans for getting those people transitioned out of the prescription.
The good folks at Perdue have assured us that these drugs are perfectly safe and non-addictive
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Let's not secure the border (and amend immigration policy) cus Fent doesn't really seem to be all that bad, and it mainly just kills people already addicted to drugs . . . #blueanongE
Thanks Tucker. I am so sick of right wing boogeyman'ing of migrants. The vast majority is coming in through ports of entry. Mostly by cargo ship. Migrants aren't schlepping drugs into this country in any meaningful way.
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Let's not secure the border (and amend immigration policy) cus Fent doesn't really seem to be all that bad, and it mainly just kills people already addicted to drugs . . . #blueanongE
Thanks Tucker. I am so sick of right wing boogeyman'ing of migrants. The vast majority is coming in through ports of entry. Mostly by cargo ship. Migrants aren't schlepping drugs into this country in any meaningful way.
Who said anything about migrants you giant derp? The Drug Cartels and the Chinese money launders and "rogue" (likely state sponsored) component suppliers are not migrants.
Also what part of "amend immigration policy" was confusing to you?
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Worth noting that the overwhelming majority of heroin users are not people who just decided one day “hey ya know what? I think I’ll dabble with heroin because why not?” It’s almost always a less potent opioid like oxy, Abe’s in many cases those ppl were not interested in being drug users, their doctors just gave them opioids bc they fell off the ladder when they were hanging their Christmas lights and the doc said “yeah an opioid is appropriate” and then bam they addicted and yes it really can (and does!) happen that way bc of the frighteningly addictive properties of opioids. A then when they can’t get any more refills, it’s not like the addiction just magically goes away, unfortunately
:thumbs: This fentanyl uproar should serve as a call to action in the medical industry or regulation world as to such prescriptions and not making them or only making them when there's some control involved for avoiding that addiction and having plans for getting those people transitioned out of the prescription.
The good folks at Perdue have assured us that these drugs are perfectly safe and non-addictive
I think a lot of Dr's were duped by the manufacturers. My Dr in no way is a pill pusher. He rarely even gives me antibiotics. When I had my first kidney stone about 15 years ago I had to wait about a week for surgery since it was stuck. He threw a giant bottle of oxy at me for the pain.
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Worth noting that the overwhelming majority of heroin users are not people who just decided one day “hey ya know what? I think I’ll dabble with heroin because why not?” It’s almost always a less potent opioid like oxy, Abe’s in many cases those ppl were not interested in being drug users, their doctors just gave them opioids bc they fell off the ladder when they were hanging their Christmas lights and the doc said “yeah an opioid is appropriate” and then bam they addicted and yes it really can (and does!) happen that way bc of the frighteningly addictive properties of opioids. A then when they can’t get any more refills, it’s not like the addiction just magically goes away, unfortunately
:thumbs: This fentanyl uproar should serve as a call to action in the medical industry or regulation world as to such prescriptions and not making them or only making them when there's some control involved for avoiding that addiction and having plans for getting those people transitioned out of the prescription.
The good folks at Perdue have assured us that these drugs are perfectly safe and non-addictive
I think a lot of Dr's were duped by the manufacturers. My Dr in no way is a pill pusher. He rarely even gives me antibiotics. When I had my first kidney stone about 15 years ago I had to wait about a week for surgery since it was stuck. He threw a giant bottle of oxy at me for the pain.
Doctors don't do that now from what I've observed. Anecdotally it takes substantial, usually orthopedic surgeries to get prescribed opioid based pain killers, and it's tightly monitored.
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Worth noting that the overwhelming majority of heroin users are not people who just decided one day “hey ya know what? I think I’ll dabble with heroin because why not?” It’s almost always a less potent opioid like oxy, Abe’s in many cases those ppl were not interested in being drug users, their doctors just gave them opioids bc they fell off the ladder when they were hanging their Christmas lights and the doc said “yeah an opioid is appropriate” and then bam they addicted and yes it really can (and does!) happen that way bc of the frighteningly addictive properties of opioids. A then when they can’t get any more refills, it’s not like the addiction just magically goes away, unfortunately
:thumbs: This fentanyl uproar should serve as a call to action in the medical industry or regulation world as to such prescriptions and not making them or only making them when there's some control involved for avoiding that addiction and having plans for getting those people transitioned out of the prescription.
The good folks at Perdue have assured us that these drugs are perfectly safe and non-addictive
I think a lot of Dr's were duped by the manufacturers. My Dr in no way is a pill pusher. He rarely even gives me antibiotics. When I had my first kidney stone about 15 years ago I had to wait about a week for surgery since it was stuck. He threw a giant bottle of oxy at me for the pain.
Doctors don't do that now from what I've observed. Anecdotally it takes substantial, usually orthopedic surgeries to get prescribed opioid based pain killers, and it's tightly monitored.
I got some the other day for some oral surgery but it was only like 5. And they were just Vicodin. When I was in college I had wisdom teeth removed and some other stuff done and the doc gave me 60 (!) Vicodin and I definitely didn’t need that many but man I took them anyway. After a month I ran out and even those “mid” opioids had me fully understanding how people got hooked on this stuff.
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i had fentanyl via IV in the hospital once and it's rough ridin' amazing
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Worth noting that the overwhelming majority of heroin users are not people who just decided one day “hey ya know what? I think I’ll dabble with heroin because why not?” It’s almost always a less potent opioid like oxy, Abe’s in many cases those ppl were not interested in being drug users, their doctors just gave them opioids bc they fell off the ladder when they were hanging their Christmas lights and the doc said “yeah an opioid is appropriate” and then bam they addicted and yes it really can (and does!) happen that way bc of the frighteningly addictive properties of opioids. A then when they can’t get any more refills, it’s not like the addiction just magically goes away, unfortunately
:thumbs: This fentanyl uproar should serve as a call to action in the medical industry or regulation world as to such prescriptions and not making them or only making them when there's some control involved for avoiding that addiction and having plans for getting those people transitioned out of the prescription.
The good folks at Perdue have assured us that these drugs are perfectly safe and non-addictive
I think a lot of Dr's were duped by the manufacturers. My Dr in no way is a pill pusher. He rarely even gives me antibiotics. When I had my first kidney stone about 15 years ago I had to wait about a week for surgery since it was stuck. He threw a giant bottle of oxy at me for the pain.
Doctors don't do that now from what I've observed. Anecdotally it takes substantial, usually orthopedic surgeries to get prescribed opioid based pain killers, and it's tightly monitored.
I got some the other day for some oral surgery but it was only like 5. And they were just Vicodin. When I was in college I had wisdom teeth removed and some other stuff done and the doc gave me 60 (!) Vicodin and I definitely didn’t need that many but man I took them anyway. After a month I ran out and even those “mid” opioids had me fully understanding how people got hooked on this stuff.
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Hammering home my point about doctors rolling back on this stuff, thanks SD :thumbsup:
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Worth noting that the overwhelming majority of heroin users are not people who just decided one day “hey ya know what? I think I’ll dabble with heroin because why not?” It’s almost always a less potent opioid like oxy, Abe’s in many cases those ppl were not interested in being drug users, their doctors just gave them opioids bc they fell off the ladder when they were hanging their Christmas lights and the doc said “yeah an opioid is appropriate” and then bam they addicted and yes it really can (and does!) happen that way bc of the frighteningly addictive properties of opioids. A then when they can’t get any more refills, it’s not like the addiction just magically goes away, unfortunately
:thumbs: This fentanyl uproar should serve as a call to action in the medical industry or regulation world as to such prescriptions and not making them or only making them when there's some control involved for avoiding that addiction and having plans for getting those people transitioned out of the prescription.
The good folks at Perdue have assured us that these drugs are perfectly safe and non-addictive
I think a lot of Dr's were duped by the manufacturers. My Dr in no way is a pill pusher. He rarely even gives me antibiotics. When I had my first kidney stone about 15 years ago I had to wait about a week for surgery since it was stuck. He threw a giant bottle of oxy at me for the pain.
Yeah, I don’t blame doctors (well, not all of them) and I understand the need for them to trust the pharmaceutical reps for giving them the important things to remember about their medications. In reality they do not have the time to independently research and verify all of those claims. It was beyond horrid that the pharma reps lied about the addictiveness of those drugs. Although the docs getting gifted rolex watches and fancy ski trips in the Swiss alps should maybe have been a bit more dubious
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(https://i.ibb.co/30zncVf/DEA.jpg)
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Worth noting that the overwhelming majority of heroin users are not people who just decided one day “hey ya know what? I think I’ll dabble with heroin because why not?” It’s almost always a less potent opioid like oxy, Abe’s in many cases those ppl were not interested in being drug users, their doctors just gave them opioids bc they fell off the ladder when they were hanging their Christmas lights and the doc said “yeah an opioid is appropriate” and then bam they addicted and yes it really can (and does!) happen that way bc of the frighteningly addictive properties of opioids. A then when they can’t get any more refills, it’s not like the addiction just magically goes away, unfortunately
:thumbs: This fentanyl uproar should serve as a call to action in the medical industry or regulation world as to such prescriptions and not making them or only making them when there's some control involved for avoiding that addiction and having plans for getting those people transitioned out of the prescription.
I think they're getting the message with some of these 11-figure settlements.
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perfect:
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1630955415746883586?s=20
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Worth noting that the overwhelming majority of heroin users are not people who just decided one day “hey ya know what? I think I’ll dabble with heroin because why not?” It’s almost always a less potent opioid like oxy, Abe’s in many cases those ppl were not interested in being drug users, their doctors just gave them opioids bc they fell off the ladder when they were hanging their Christmas lights and the doc said “yeah an opioid is appropriate” and then bam they addicted and yes it really can (and does!) happen that way bc of the frighteningly addictive properties of opioids. A then when they can’t get any more refills, it’s not like the addiction just magically goes away, unfortunately
:thumbs: This fentanyl uproar should serve as a call to action in the medical industry or regulation world as to such prescriptions and not making them or only making them when there's some control involved for avoiding that addiction and having plans for getting those people transitioned out of the prescription.
I think they're getting the message with some of these 11-figure settlements.
Yeah, I'm sure they are going to lobby congress very aggressively to make themselves immune from future lawsuits so they can keep prescription costs low and continue to research new lifesaving drugs.
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This thread is the plot of Dopesick (great show).
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Worth noting that the overwhelming majority of heroin users are not people who just decided one day “hey ya know what? I think I’ll dabble with heroin because why not?” It’s almost always a less potent opioid like oxy, Abe’s in many cases those ppl were not interested in being drug users, their doctors just gave them opioids bc they fell off the ladder when they were hanging their Christmas lights and the doc said “yeah an opioid is appropriate” and then bam they addicted and yes it really can (and does!) happen that way bc of the frighteningly addictive properties of opioids. A then when they can’t get any more refills, it’s not like the addiction just magically goes away, unfortunately
:thumbs: This fentanyl uproar should serve as a call to action in the medical industry or regulation world as to such prescriptions and not making them or only making them when there's some control involved for avoiding that addiction and having plans for getting those people transitioned out of the prescription.
The good folks at Perdue have assured us that these drugs are perfectly safe and non-addictive
I think a lot of Dr's were duped by the manufacturers. My Dr in no way is a pill pusher. He rarely even gives me antibiotics. When I had my first kidney stone about 15 years ago I had to wait about a week for surgery since it was stuck. He threw a giant bottle of oxy at me for the pain.
Doctors don't do that now from what I've observed. Anecdotally it takes substantial, usually orthopedic surgeries to get prescribed opioid based pain killers, and it's tightly monitored.
I got some the other day for some oral surgery but it was only like 5. And they were just Vicodin. When I was in college I had wisdom teeth removed and some other stuff done and the doc gave me 60 (!) Vicodin and I definitely didn’t need that many but man I took them anyway. After a month I ran out and even those “mid” opioids had me fully understanding how people got hooked on this stuff.
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Hammering home my point about doctors rolling back on this stuff, thanks SD :thumbsup:
dax, I realize it's probably just a reflex action at this point but I wasn't attempting to disagree with you at all there. was just providing my experience and confirming the differences you noted.
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Goddamn, 12 hours, most of them sleeping hours, and I pretty much have all my curiosity satisfied as to what’s gone on with this story and the motivations of all the characters. gE does it again!
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Not gE'ing, there was a really good photo essay about fentanyl that I read about 2 mos ago. Cannot find the link now..
Edit: found it. absolutely gut-wrenching.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2022/tijuana-mexico-fentanyl-crime/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2022/tijuana-mexico-fentanyl-crime/)
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Goddamn, 12 hours, most of them sleeping hours, and I pretty much have all my curiosity satisfied as to what’s gone on with this story and the motivations of all the characters. gE does it again!
There is one other important thing you need to know. You* cannot OD or even her high from fentanyl by touching it or breathing the air in the immediate vicinity of it. It is physically impossible, that’s not how it works.
*unless you’re a cop. For some reason cops OD a lot when in the vicinity of the stuff. Also worth noting that the cops are legitimately overdosing, just strangely they don’t experience any of the classic symptoms of opioid overdose. In the worst cases their OD symptoms are very similar to having a panic attack.
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Goddamn, 12 hours, most of them sleeping hours, and I pretty much have all my curiosity satisfied as to what’s gone on with this story and the motivations of all the characters. gE does it again!
There is one other important thing you need to know. You* cannot OD or even her high from fentanyl by touching it or breathing the air in the immediate vicinity of it. It is physically impossible, that’s not how it works.
*unless you’re a cop. For some reason cops OD a lot when in the vicinity of the stuff. Also worth noting that the cops are legitimately overdosing, just strangely they don’t experience any of the classic symptoms of opioid overdose. In the worst cases their OD symptoms are very similar to having a panic attack.
Yeah, I had a good handle on that. This is all a complete non-issue for me, unless someone elects to use fentanyl and forcing/sneaking it into me as a means to do bad crap to me. And it looks like those bad guys are attempting walmart fraud instead.
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I have a giant bottle of oxy on my kitchen counter right now. After I was released from the hospital for surgery they gave me 14 pills because that is the max they are allowed. My oncologist gave me 120.
If this is the master opiate thread, I have a fun submission. I had to go to the ER in early January because I had a high fever, barfing, and the oxy wasn't working. When they finally got to running all the tests and crap they finally gave me morphine for the pain. So I have a port which is a little plastic reservoir implanted under my skin that has a tube that lays in a vein that terminates at the heart. It's really great if you have frequent iv treatments so they can just tap into the port instead of running an arm iv. Anyway morphine is supposed to be a slow push over a few minutes but this nurse just jammed the whole syringe down. I felt the morphine hit my heart and instantly spread to every corner of my body. Extremely intense experience.
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I have a giant bottle of oxy on my kitchen counter right now. After I was released from the hospital for surgery they gave me 14 pills because that is the max they are allowed. My oncologist gave me 120.
If this is the master opiate thread, I have a fun submission. I had to go to the ER in early January because I had a high fever, barfing, and the oxy wasn't working. When they finally got to running all the tests and crap they finally gave me morphine for the pain. So I have a port which is a little plastic reservoir implanted under my skin that has a tube that lays in a vein that terminates at the heart. It's really great if you have frequent iv treatments so they can just tap into the port instead of running an arm iv. Anyway morphine is supposed to be a slow push over a few minutes but this nurse just jammed the whole syringe down. I felt the morphine hit my heart and instantly spread to every corner of my body. Extremely intense experience.
I bet that experience provoked some real thought afterward.
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I literally exclaimed "holy crap!" and the nurse thought something was wrong, I'm like naw I just wasn't ready for that bro.
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I literally exclaimed "holy crap!" and the nurse thought something was wrong, I'm like naw I just wasn't ready for that bro.
Another trip to the ER for another kidney stone netted me an IV with demerol (basically clinical heroin). When that stuff hit my heart I just melted into the hospital bed. I can easily see how people get addicted. Opioids are bad news as we all know.
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i heard they mess up your pooping
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i heard they mess up your pooping
Shrooms, on the other hand … great for pooping!
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I think, no, I know, there are a lot of people capping about fentanyl. Like this
https://youtu.be/CT_SIkhqz8E
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Worth noting that the overwhelming majority of heroin users are not people who just decided one day “hey ya know what? I think I’ll dabble with heroin because why not?” It’s almost always a less potent opioid like oxy, Abe’s in many cases those ppl were not interested in being drug users, their doctors just gave them opioids bc they fell off the ladder when they were hanging their Christmas lights and the doc said “yeah an opioid is appropriate” and then bam they addicted and yes it really can (and does!) happen that way bc of the frighteningly addictive properties of opioids. A then when they can’t get any more refills, it’s not like the addiction just magically goes away, unfortunately
:thumbs: This fentanyl uproar should serve as a call to action in the medical industry or regulation world as to such prescriptions and not making them or only making them when there's some control involved for avoiding that addiction and having plans for getting those people transitioned out of the prescription.
The good folks at Perdue have assured us that these drugs are perfectly safe and non-addictive
I think a lot of Dr's were duped by the manufacturers. My Dr in no way is a pill pusher. He rarely even gives me antibiotics. When I had my first kidney stone about 15 years ago I had to wait about a week for surgery since it was stuck. He threw a giant bottle of oxy at me for the pain.
Doctors don't do that now from what I've observed. Anecdotally it takes substantial, usually orthopedic surgeries to get prescribed opioid based pain killers, and it's tightly monitored.
I got some the other day for some oral surgery but it was only like 5. And they were just Vicodin. When I was in college I had wisdom teeth removed and some other stuff done and the doc gave me 60 (!) Vicodin and I definitely didn’t need that many but man I took them anyway. After a month I ran out and even those “mid” opioids had me fully understanding how people got hooked on this stuff.
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Hammering home my point about doctors rolling back on this stuff, thanks SD :thumbsup:
dax, I realize it's probably just a reflex action at this point but I wasn't attempting to disagree with you at all there. was just providing my experience and confirming the differences you noted.
I affirmed your affirmation.
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I think the real heroin (from poppies) is much harder to make and smuggle. The synthetic stuff can be made in mexico in a lab with zero poppies. So, might as well cut the expensive poppies derived stuff with the lab stuff fulfill consumer demand of the poppies stuff (not telling them, of course)
i dunno much about the illegal drug trade or its use in the u.s., but i do know that they grow a lot of real poppies in mexico for that trade.
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i wonder if there's anyone selling oldtimey botanical opiates. like could i go out and find some laudanum or old-fashioned smoking opium in the u.s. if i wanted?
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Not gE'ing, there was a really good photo essay about fentanyl that I read about 2 mos ago. Cannot find the link now..
Edit: found it. absolutely gut-wrenching.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2022/tijuana-mexico-fentanyl-crime/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2022/tijuana-mexico-fentanyl-crime/)
awful
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i wonder if there's anyone selling oldtimey botanical opiates. like could i go out and find some laudanum or old-fashioned smoking opium in the u.s. if i wanted?
sherlock holmes style old timey Chinese opium den
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i wonder if there's anyone selling oldtimey botanical opiates. like could i go out and find some laudanum or old-fashioned smoking opium in the u.s. if i wanted?
When I was in college a guy I knew and bought COCAINE from was smoking opium and let me try it. It tastes really good. I don't think I inhaled it right because it didn't really do anything for me. could have been all the COCAINE I was breathing in through my nose though.
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i heard they mess up your pooping
Shrooms, on the other hand … great for pooping!
COCAINE is also good for this
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That has not been my experience
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Huh? All this time I was thinking cocaine would make you constipated. :dunno:
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About the COCAINE, not the opiates.
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But there is a person I used to hang out with that would have to drop a dookie after some lines of COCAINE so maybe
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Huh? All this time I was thinking cocaine would make you constipated. :dunno:
Well I can only speak anecdotally but every session of nose beers has always started with me completely emptying my bowels after the first brewsky.
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Good thing NBs are best consumed in the bathroom
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That would make such a good anti-drug commercial. Do a full Dumb-and-Dumber style poop scene.
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sherlock holmes style old timey Chinese opium den
retvrn.
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I Was unaware that the cop touching then overdosing was fake.
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Whoa, we talking NBs in here?
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also do dealers give away every halloween?
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A small state, Maine said that of 700 or so reported drug overdose deaths in 2022. 80% of them were from Fentanyl.
But Fentanyl is the latest punch line for #blueanon/#blueanongE and just like talking about crime is racist, now talking about Fentanyl is apparently anti-immigrant and similar.
Congrats Cartels and congrats Chinese and Indian Fentanyl component providers and money launders . . . you have a friend in #blueanon :thumbsup:
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cops pretending to experience seizures during seizures (lol) from simply touching or breathing air around fentanyl will never not be funny to me
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cops pretending to experience seizures during seizures (lol) from simply touching or breathing air around fentanyl will never not be funny to me
Remember the cop wife who did it? lmao
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cops pretending to experience seizures during seizures (lol) from simply touching or breathing air around fentanyl will never not be funny to me
Literally today years old when I learned they were faking to get attention and create a work comp claim
what huge dorks
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My own personal story with opioids. I had a really deviated septum thanks to a baseball to the face during the 2k13 kazzu cats baseball season and went to the regional in Manhattan (played plenty, that part wasnt so bad). But as any recent grad after than spending another 10k to fix it right then, I let it go til December 31st 2020 (best way to end that year). Had the surgery to fix my nose. They gave me oxy (like 30 of them) for the pain. Didn't take one til after 24 hours past. And, holy crap, I went from feeling miserable to feeling like I was 4/7 after just 1 pill. Even my mom who was taking care of me during that time remarked "you are definitely feeling better aren't you!" and I was.
And for a bit I would take a half of one just to feel good, and goddamn was it good. But thanks to my brother I threw it all away before I got to like 5 pills used (only 5, of 30). That crap is no joke. It's like being comfortably drunk off one pill (for me). I can more than see anyone getting addicted to it. And I am glad to this day I never fell more into that snake pit.
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My own personal story with opioids. I had a really deviated septum thanks to a baseball to the face during the 2k13 kazzu cats baseball season and went to the regional in Manhattan (played plenty, that part wasnt so bad). But as any recent grad after than spending another 10k to fix it right then, I let it go til December 31st 2020 (best way to end that year). Had the surgery to fix my nose. They gave me oxy (like 30 of them) for the pain. Didn't take one til after 24 hours past. And, holy crap, I went from feeling miserable to feeling like I was 4/7 after just 1 pill. Even my mom who was taking care of me during that time remarked "you are definitely feeling better aren't you!" and I was.
And for a bit I would take a half of one just to feel good, and goddamn was it good. But thanks to my brother I threw it all away before I got to like 5 pills used (only 5, of 30). That crap is no joke. It's like being comfortably drunk off one pill (for me). I can more than see anyone getting addicted to it. And I am glad to this day I never fell more into that snake pit.
Today I learned you were a stud cat baseballer
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It's interesting how drugs effect people differently. My dad can't take any opiate based painkiller because they make him barf. I got that full body good feeling from oxy for the first week (like 40mg throughout the day) and haven't experienced it since. I have not been tempted at all to take them when I'm not experiencing pain. But the pain killing properties are amazing and when I'm in enough pain I'd probably give corner hand jobs to make it go away so I still understand how some people will throw their lives away when access is cut off.
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My own personal story with opioids. I had a really deviated septum thanks to a baseball to the face during the 2k13 kazzu cats baseball season and went to the regional in Manhattan (played plenty, that part wasnt so bad). But as any recent grad after than spending another 10k to fix it right then, I let it go til December 31st 2020 (best way to end that year). Had the surgery to fix my nose. They gave me oxy (like 30 of them) for the pain. Didn't take one til after 24 hours past. And, holy crap, I went from feeling miserable to feeling like I was 4/7 after just 1 pill. Even my mom who was taking care of me during that time remarked "you are definitely feeling better aren't you!" and I was.
And for a bit I would take a half of one just to feel good, and goddamn was it good. But thanks to my brother I threw it all away before I got to like 5 pills used (only 5, of 30). That crap is no joke. It's like being comfortably drunk off one pill (for me). I can more than see anyone getting addicted to it. And I am glad to this day I never fell more into that snake pit.
yeah, i've had morphine after surgery and after a snakebite, and it's the only medicine i've ever taken that works as advertised. none of this take an aspirin, does it feel better - "ehh, maybe can't really tell, but maybe" crap. you go from, eff this hurts to not only does it not hurt, i feel rough ridin' incredible.
i haven't figured out the logistics yet, but i want to make sure that whenever i start dying i can shortcut that crap with an opioid overdose, because eff dying not happy as eff.
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I literally exclaimed "holy crap!" and the nurse thought something was wrong, I'm like naw I just wasn't ready for that bro.
LOL amazing
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i wonder if there's anyone selling oldtimey botanical opiates. like could i go out and find some laudanum or old-fashioned smoking opium in the u.s. if i wanted?
Make your own opium den in a tent in the backyard?
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Our overall experience with opioids was generally positive, and boy oh boy did they really kick (insert medical procedure here) ass . . . so with that in mind, Fentanyl . . . no big woof. #blueanongE :thumbsup:
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But Fentanyl is the latest punch line for #blueanon/#blueanongE and just like talking about crime is racist, now talking about Fentanyl is apparently anti-immigrant and similar.
Congrats Cartels and congrats Chinese and Indian Fentanyl component providers and money launders . . . you have a friend in #blueanon :thumbsup:
Speaking of capping about fentanyl. Dax, apparently needing to find something to be outraged about on every single thing mentioned in the pit, just completely made this up. Shits wild.
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But Fentanyl is the latest punch line for #blueanon/#blueanongE and just like talking about crime is racist, now talking about Fentanyl is apparently anti-immigrant and similar.
Congrats Cartels and congrats Chinese and Indian Fentanyl component providers and money launders . . . you have a friend in #blueanon :thumbsup:
Speaking of capping about fentanyl. Dax, apparently needing to find something to be outraged about on every single thing mentioned in the pit, just completely made this up. Shits wild.
First of all, your (over) use of capping is just :lol: :lol: :lol: Coupled with your statement in another forum about how you don't like Kyrie because he thinks he's smarter than everyone else given your constant trend-line on this blog is :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: as well.
This hasn't been the only discussion about Fentanyl in the Pit.
You and your ilk generally think it's funny, and think it's just a MAGA thing. Meanwhile even #blueanon state leaders continually release reports stating their concern.
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But Fentanyl is the latest punch line for #blueanon/#blueanongE and just like talking about crime is racist, now talking about Fentanyl is apparently anti-immigrant and similar.
Congrats Cartels and congrats Chinese and Indian Fentanyl component providers and money launders . . . you have a friend in #blueanon :thumbsup:
Speaking of capping about fentanyl. Dax, apparently needing to find something to be outraged about on every single thing mentioned in the pit, just completely made this up. Shits wild.
First of all, your (over) use of capping is just :lol: :lol: :lol: Coupled with your statement in another forum about how you don't like Kyrie because he thinks he's smarter than everyone else given your constant trend-line on this blog is :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: as well.
This hasn't been the only discussion about Fentanyl in the Pit.
You and your ilk generally think it's funny, and think it's just a MAGA thing. Meanwhile even #blueanon state leaders continually release reports stating their concern.
Wait a minute. YOU of all people are laughing at someone else for overuse of a word? You can't be serious, ain't no way you're serious. This is like when you complain about long posts or someone making back to back posts. Either you're the world's most unaware hypocrite, a legit crazy person, or really committed to the bit.
Anyhoo, way to stay on brand with inventing false outrage
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Our overall experience with opioids was generally positive, and boy oh boy did they really kick (insert medical procedure here) ass . . . so with that in mind, Fentanyl . . . no big woof. #blueanongE :thumbsup:
Dax wtf are you even talking about, lmao
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A neighbor's kid was saved from a fentanyl overdose.
the kid bought "Oxy" pills that had fentanly.
Apparently the dealers get X number of Oxy and some fentanyl, grind it all up into chowder, add some sort of stable filler, the fentanyl is to make it hit harder. But they can turn 100 pills into 5000 pills or whatever.
so X number of pills out of the thousand they made are deadly
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My own personal story with opioids. I had a really deviated septum thanks to a baseball to the face during the 2k13 kazzu cats baseball season and went to the regional in Manhattan (played plenty, that part wasnt so bad). But as any recent grad after than spending another 10k to fix it right then, I let it go til December 31st 2020 (best way to end that year). Had the surgery to fix my nose. They gave me oxy (like 30 of them) for the pain. Didn't take one til after 24 hours past. And, holy crap, I went from feeling miserable to feeling like I was 4/7 after just 1 pill. Even my mom who was taking care of me during that time remarked "you are definitely feeling better aren't you!" and I was.
And for a bit I would take a half of one just to feel good, and goddamn was it good. But thanks to my brother I threw it all away before I got to like 5 pills used (only 5, of 30). That crap is no joke. It's like being comfortably drunk off one pill (for me). I can more than see anyone getting addicted to it. And I am glad to this day I never fell more into that snake pit.
yeah, i've had morphine after surgery and after a snakebite, and it's the only medicine i've ever taken that works as advertised. none of this take an aspirin, does it feel better - "ehh, maybe can't really tell, but maybe" crap. you go from, eff this hurts to not only does it not hurt, i feel rough ridin' incredible.
i haven't figured out the logistics yet, but i want to make sure that whenever i start dying i can shortcut that crap with an opioid overdose, because eff dying not happy as eff.
Hopefully by the time this comes we will have DR assisted suicide like a functioning society should.
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Our overall experience with opioids was generally positive, and boy oh boy did they really kick (insert medical procedure here) ass . . . so with that in mind, Fentanyl . . . no big woof. #blueanongE :thumbsup:
Dax wtf are you even talking about, lmao
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Your inability to follow along, remember discussions in other threads and read the room remains 7/7
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Our overall experience with opioids was generally positive, and boy oh boy did they really kick (insert medical procedure here) ass . . . so with that in mind, Fentanyl . . . no big woof. #blueanongE :thumbsup:
not to be tying threads of yard around push pins on a giant bulletin board...but it almost sounds like there are some drugs that are incredibly potent, and, when administered by professionals in a controlled environment can be very effective for short term pain management/post op recovery.
Now dax i know its your Whole Thing to be willfully obtuse and paint with the broadest of brush strokes because in your mind that somehow makes a salient point...but literally no one is saying that SYNTHETIC HEROIN is no big deal. As with so many things, it can be used for good when administered properly, and incredibly dangerous when used improperly..and its especially dangerous b/c it has such high potential to be used improperly because its so addictive.
I know you aren't a stupid person, and i know that actual IRL dax the human person knows all of this stuff and that you're just doing an internet character, but sometimes i feel like i gotta interrupt your windmill tilting and be like, "hey, man, stfu for a second and go yell at those clouds instead"
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A neighbor's kid was saved from a fentanyl overdose.
the kid bought "Oxy" pills that had fentanly.
Apparently the dealers get X number of Oxy and some fentanyl, grind it all up into chowder, add some sort of stable filler, the fentanyl is to make it hit harder. But they can turn 100 pills into 5000 pills or whatever.
so X number of pills out of the thousand they made are deadly
T-Y. This succinctly shows the economic pros/cons to suppliers of using fentanyl in their biz model, but fentanyl isn’t the real problem here.
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The whole, we have a bigger problem so Fentanyl isn't a real problem narrative is just something, I have to say.
In this debate no side is saying we don't have an opioid crisis in the United States, but the Fentanyl component has exacerbated that crisis dramatically because it only takes a small amount to kill.
How can one read the reports, look at the maps and then say we don't have a real problem with Fentanyl? If it's not a problem why are the Cartels attempting to produce thousands of pounds of it? Why are the Chinese involved, why is the government of these United States literally bringing up Fentanyl in its discussions with the Chinese in the foreign relations domain?
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A neighbor's kid was saved from a fentanyl overdose.
the kid bought "Oxy" pills that had fentanly.
Apparently the dealers get X number of Oxy and some fentanyl, grind it all up into chowder, add some sort of stable filler, the fentanyl is to make it hit harder. But they can turn 100 pills into 5000 pills or whatever.
so X number of pills out of the thousand they made are deadly
T-Y. This succinctly shows the economic pros/cons to suppliers of using fentanyl in their biz model, but fentanyl isn’t the real problem here.
Yeah, they call them “presses”. I’m terrified of this stuff going around and my moron 9 year old who will currently do literally any dangerous crap any of his friends are doing coming across them. We’ve had some local HS kids OD. Absolute nightmare fuel for me.
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The whole, we have a bigger problem so Fentanyl isn't a real problem narrative is just something, I have to say.
In this debate no side is saying we don't have an opioid crisis in the United States, but the Fentanyl component has exacerbated that crisis dramatically because it only takes a small amount to kill.
How can one read the reports, look at the maps and then say we don't have a real problem with Fentanyl? If it's not a problem why are the Cartels attempting to produce thousands of pounds of it? Why are the Chinese involved, why is the government of these United States literally bringing up Fentanyl in its discussions with the Chinese in the foreign relations domain?
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Absolute nightmare fuel for me.
The key is to make it nightmare fuel for kids and others prone to do some dumb crap but who still have some tiny bit of risk intolerance.
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Our overall experience with opioids was generally positive, and boy oh boy did they really kick (insert medical procedure here) ass . . . so with that in mind, Fentanyl . . . no big woof. #blueanongE :thumbsup:
this is bizarre. Who speaks scared old man? care to interpret?
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Absolute nightmare fuel for me.
The key is to make it nightmare fuel for kids and others prone to do some dumb crap but who still have some tiny bit of risk intolerance.
Yeah, that’s my plan.
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Absolute nightmare fuel for me.
The key is to make it nightmare fuel for kids and others prone to do some dumb crap but who still have some tiny bit of risk intolerance.
Yeah. the young stones get horror stories brought up on the reg
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The whole, we have a bigger problem so Fentanyl isn't a real problem narrative is just something, I have to say.
In this debate no side is saying we don't have an opioid crisis in the United States, but the Fentanyl component has exacerbated that crisis dramatically because it only takes a small amount to kill.
How can one read the reports, look at the maps and then say we don't have a real problem with Fentanyl? If it's not a problem why are the Cartels attempting to produce thousands of pounds of it? Why are the Chinese involved, why is the government of these United States literally bringing up Fentanyl in its discussions with the Chinese in the foreign relations domain?
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Just scared old men and women . . . the deep thinkers of #blueanongE
https://www.congress.gov/event/115th-congress/house-event/108650/text
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-116shrg37244/html/CHRG-116shrg37244.htm
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-115hhrg25507/html/CHRG-115hhrg25507.htm
https://trone.house.gov/2023/01/08/chinas-role-in-illicit-fentanyl-running-rampant-on-us-streets/
https://www.state.gov/briefings-foreign-press-centers/us-china-relations
QUESTION: Perfect. My question is on counternarcotics. What’s the current state of any exchange you’ve had with Beijing regarding fentanyl precursor enforcement? When was the last time that you engaged in counternarcotic talks to – with your Chinese counterpart, sir? And have you also engaged the Mexicans to perhaps help mediate in these kind of talks?
ASSISTANT SECRETARY KRITENBRINK: Well, Jose, thank you very much for your question. This is an incredibly important issue, and it is one that is raised in virtually every interaction between the United States and China.
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this thread is reminding me i want to go re-watch season 2 of the hit HBO series THE WIRE
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Absolute nightmare fuel for me.
The key is to make it nightmare fuel for kids and others prone to do some dumb crap but who still have some tiny bit of risk intolerance.
Yes, our kids watch the news with us, and if they happen to miss a story about fentanyl, we make them watch it. That story I posted earlier, we watched it together and talked about it. I didn't talk about how much of the story was made up with half truths until later with just me and my wife.
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this thread is reminding me i want to go re-watch season 2 of the hit HBO series THE WIRE
the best season, dont @ me
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this thread is reminding me i want to go re-watch season 2 of the hit HBO series THE WIRE
the best season, dont @ me
i like season 2 a lot. hello young Holly Flax!
something like 5 people in KC died this week from fent OD'ing. Scary stuff.
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Just to be clear, I don’t think illegal drug users/purchasers are entitled to fentanyl-free illegal drugs. This new risk is an additional one to those that already existed when participating in that game.
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A neighbor's kid was saved from a fentanyl overdose.
the kid bought "Oxy" pills that had fentanly.
Apparently the dealers get X number of Oxy and some fentanyl, grind it all up into chowder, add some sort of stable filler, the fentanyl is to make it hit harder. But they can turn 100 pills into 5000 pills or whatever.
so X number of pills out of the thousand they made are deadly
T-Y. This succinctly shows the economic pros/cons to suppliers of using fentanyl in their biz model, but fentanyl isn’t the real problem here.
Yeah, they call them “presses”. I’m terrified of this stuff going around and my moron 9 year old who will currently do literally any dangerous crap any of his friends are doing coming across them. We’ve had some local HS kids OD. Absolute nightmare fuel for me.
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they also "press" the pills to look as much like regular oxy/vicodin etc. I've seen images of side by sides and "how to tell" kinds of things that law enforcement makes. Like how to spot the counterfeit. Because the dealers don't advertise that they've been watered down and have fentanyl.
The people OD'ing don't know there's fentanyl in the pill they are popping/snorting
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Worth noting that the overwhelming majority of heroin users are not people who just decided one day “hey ya know what? I think I’ll dabble with heroin because why not?” It’s almost always a less potent opioid like oxy, Abe’s in many cases those ppl were not interested in being drug users, their doctors just gave them opioids bc they fell off the ladder when they were hanging their Christmas lights and the doc said “yeah an opioid is appropriate” and then bam they addicted and yes it really can (and does!) happen that way bc of the frighteningly addictive properties of opioids. A then when they can’t get any more refills, it’s not like the addiction just magically goes away, unfortunately
:thumbs: This fentanyl uproar should serve as a call to action in the medical industry or regulation world as to such prescriptions and not making them or only making them when there's some control involved for avoiding that addiction and having plans for getting those people transitioned out of the prescription.
The good folks at Perdue have assured us that these drugs are perfectly safe and non-addictive
I think a lot of Dr's were duped by the manufacturers. My Dr in no way is a pill pusher. He rarely even gives me antibiotics. When I had my first kidney stone about 15 years ago I had to wait about a week for surgery since it was stuck. He threw a giant bottle of oxy at me for the pain.
Doctors don't do that now from what I've observed. Anecdotally it takes substantial, usually orthopedic surgeries to get prescribed opioid based pain killers, and it's tightly monitored.
It was good money for Big Pharm and Dr.'s while it lasted.
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Worth noting that the overwhelming majority of heroin users are not people who just decided one day “hey ya know what? I think I’ll dabble with heroin because why not?” It’s almost always a less potent opioid like oxy, Abe’s in many cases those ppl were not interested in being drug users, their doctors just gave them opioids bc they fell off the ladder when they were hanging their Christmas lights and the doc said “yeah an opioid is appropriate” and then bam they addicted and yes it really can (and does!) happen that way bc of the frighteningly addictive properties of opioids. A then when they can’t get any more refills, it’s not like the addiction just magically goes away, unfortunately
:thumbs: This fentanyl uproar should serve as a call to action in the medical industry or regulation world as to such prescriptions and not making them or only making them when there's some control involved for avoiding that addiction and having plans for getting those people transitioned out of the prescription.
I think they're getting the message with some of these 11-figure settlements.
Yeah, I'm sure they are going to lobby congress very aggressively to make themselves immune from future lawsuits so they can keep prescription costs low and continue to research new lifesaving drugs.
You hit it on the nail head. They are being watched so closely that they are very careful to document the reason, amount, and type/strength of opioids before they prescribe these drugs. I know this since I have been dealing with pain for over 40 years.
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(http://The size of the Sackler contribution was a source of controversy throughout Purdue's bankruptcy case. Sackler family members took out more than $10 billion from the company in the decade before it filed for bankruptcy, and they had a net worth of $14 billion in 2015, according to McMahon's decision.)
eat them, imo
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Just to be clear, I don’t think illegal drug users/purchasers are entitled to fentanyl-free illegal drugs. This new risk is an additional one to those that already existed when participating in that game.
If we can prevent heroin and opiate junkies from overdosing we should but yes, if you are ripping heroin and illegal opioids I think you have signed up for a level of risk that even includes death.
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It can contaminate cocaine as well (the fancy man’s drug). I actually know someone who died from that.
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It can contaminate cocaine as well (the fancy man’s drug). I actually know someone who died from that.
I've heard rumblings, but I don't understand why someone would cut an upper with a downer. Like, pick a lane, you know?
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It can contaminate cocaine as well (the fancy man’s drug). I actually know someone who died from that.
I've heard rumblings, but I don't understand why someone would cut an upper with a downer. Like, pick a lane, you know?
You don't understand that?
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It can contaminate cocaine as well (the fancy man’s drug). I actually know someone who died from that.
I've heard rumblings, but I don't understand why someone would cut an upper with a downer. Like, pick a lane, you know?
You don't understand that?
Did I stutter?
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ok just making sure you meant to come off sounding like a total idiot there, carry on
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ok just making sure you meant to come off sounding like a total idiot there, carry on
Go ahead and explain your thought process to me.
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Is alcohol a downer? Cause I'd wager the majority of cocaine is consumed with alcohol.
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The thing spracs and strippers most have in common is how they are both showing their entire ass. The biggest difference is I’m only doing a round of nose beers off the stripper’s ass (fenty free, for the record)
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Is alcohol a downer? Cause I'd wager the majority of cocaine is consumed with alcohol.
Ok, but usually the purpose for cutting cocaine is to artificially increase the weight/volume, i.e., dilute the product. Cutting with fentanyl won't do that. Maybe I'm wrong and it's a banger power combo though.
Et tu, BAC?
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Is alcohol a downer? Cause I'd wager the majority of cocaine is consumed with alcohol.
Ok, but usually the purpose for cutting cocaine is to artificially increase the weight/volume, i.e., dilute the product. Cutting with fentanyl won't do that. Maybe I'm wrong and it's a banger power combo though.
Et tu, BAC?
Sorry was just looking for an excuse to use nose beers that was fun to say
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A bit of googling tells me it can frequently be just a case of cross contamination when a dealer uses the same stuff to cut cocaine and opioids.
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Is alcohol a downer? Cause I'd wager the majority of cocaine is consumed with alcohol.
Ok, but usually the purpose for cutting cocaine is to artificially increase the weight/volume, i.e., dilute the product. Cutting with fentanyl won't do that. Maybe I'm wrong and it's a banger power combo though.
Et tu, BAC?
Think you can cover up more cutting with a splash of fenty
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Just to be clear, I don’t think illegal drug users/purchasers are entitled to fentanyl-free illegal drugs. This new risk is an additional one to those that already existed when participating in that game.
If we can prevent heroin and opiate junkies from overdosing we should but yes, if you are ripping heroin and illegal opioids I think you have signed up for a level of risk that even includes death.
Also if you buy percocets from a snapchat delivery guy. MIR, add this one to your bedtime horror story list.
https://www.kansas.com/news/state/article272839335.html
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Just to be clear, I don’t think illegal drug users/purchasers are entitled to fentanyl-free illegal drugs. This new risk is an additional one to those that already existed when participating in that game.
If we can prevent heroin and opiate junkies from overdosing we should but yes, if you are ripping heroin and illegal opioids I think you have signed up for a level of risk that even includes death.
Also if you buy percocets from a snapchat delivery guy. MIR, add this one to your bedtime horror story list.
https://www.kansas.com/news/state/article272839335.html
That's sad as eff but there's almost certainly no way that was the first time he ingested fentanyl.
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Have y'all heard of this crap? Tranq. eff.
https://youtu.be/cNJn2_3GY2E
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Just to be clear, I don’t think illegal drug users/purchasers are entitled to fentanyl-free illegal drugs. This new risk is an additional one to those that already existed when participating in that game.
If we can prevent heroin and opiate junkies from overdosing we should but yes, if you are ripping heroin and illegal opioids I think you have signed up for a level of risk that even includes death.
Also if you buy percocets from a snapchat delivery guy. MIR, add this one to your bedtime horror story list.
https://www.kansas.com/news/state/article272839335.html
That's sad as eff but there's almost certainly no way that was the first time he ingested fentanyl.
You mean the “one pill” reference? I don’t read that as first time, but as “a” time and that even one bad pill can end you. That’s probably more important in that “no, you did find the good honest clean Snapchat drug dealer just because your first 5 times went ok.”
Kids, just party with factory-sealed coors light, mad dog, etc.
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Have you guys seen/heard of Borgs?
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Like from Star Trek? I'm pretty sure they are made up.
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Cyborgs are real
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Like from Star Trek? I'm pretty sure they are made up.
yeah, CGI
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Good read
https://www.wired.com/story/on-the-trail-of-the-fentanyl-king/
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https://www.cjonline.com/story/news/local/2023/09/14/topeka-homeless-shelter-explains-policy-for-transgender-and-nonbinary-residents/70826076007/
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Trim, PAYWALL! Need KK to C&P. TY
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Good read
https://www.wired.com/story/on-the-trail-of-the-fentanyl-king/
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Are you just now reading OLD news? That story has made its rounds several years back. :zzz:
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WGAF . . . #blueanongE
https://www.nyc.gov/site/doh/about/press/pr2023/commissioner-advisory-overdose-crisis-reaches-historic-levels.page
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https://twitter.com/JohnLeFevre/status/1707172630220919287
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That is wild!
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God damn, how sad
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Portland, OR
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Sad. Now do guns.
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There's a thread for that KK, go crazy in it.
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https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761
Ok. Any idea why firearm deaths and fentanyl deaths both spiked in 2020? Covid?
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https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761
Ok. Any idea why firearm deaths and fentanyl deaths both spiked in 2020? Covid?
Forced isolation?
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I agree that tiny children should be snatched from drug-addicted parents asap, assuming sys doesn’t have a better plan that solves the problem before it starts.
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https://twitter.com/JohnLeFevre/status/1707172630220919287
Wonderful news. The improved safety of our cars has clearly made a big impact. I know I love my blind spot monitor, rear cross traffic alert, and lane keep assist!
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Mandatory rear cameras also. Idk how many children are/were killed annually by a car driving in reverse but it's not 0
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Yep
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https://twitter.com/JohnLeFevre/status/1707172630220919287
Wonderful news. The improved safety of our cars has clearly made a big impact. I know I love my blind spot monitor, rear cross traffic alert, and lane keep assist!
If you’re just going off the chart, you can’t necessarily assume it’s indicative of a trend. Cars have definitely gotten safer, but from 2020-2021, we already know a lot fewer people were on the roads on a day-to-day basis compared to just about any other year.
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Can anyone decipher this? Reply to a thread about the fent/suicide tweet
Illuminati Overlord7:11a
Look for the porch pirates, figure out whose packages don't get stolen in neighborhoods where they're stolen all the time. Watch for parents driving their kids around holding a phone. Also the people with Amazon storefronts or reselling goods on eBay, probably a lot of them are small and have porch pirates stealing for them to hide the fentanyl they're receiving for someone else.
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Mandatory rear cameras also. Idk how many children are/were killed annually by a car driving in reverse but it's not 0
Back in the '60s my oldest brother filled his car with gas and left his driver's door open when he went to the shop to pay, then went and got in his car. He put the car in reverse to get around the car in front of him not knowing his two-year-old daughter had climbed out and was under the car, backed over her. She was dead before they got her to the hospital. :bawl: RIP to my niece. :cry:
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Can anyone decipher this? Reply to a thread about the fent/suicide tweet
Illuminati Overlord7:11a
Look for the porch pirates, figure out whose packages don't get stolen in neighborhoods where they're stolen all the time. Watch for parents driving their kids around holding a phone. Also the people with Amazon storefronts or reselling goods on eBay, probably a lot of them are small and have porch pirates stealing for them to hide the fentanyl they're receiving for someone else.
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I imagine it's a bot trying to include a bunch of specific words in a tweet, no matter how nonsensical it is.