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General Discussion => Essentially Flyertalk => Topic started by: AST on February 23, 2023, 07:24:17 PM
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This is a catch all thread irt swimming pools. I specialize in equipment installation, equipment preventative maintenance, and equipment repairs. I cleaned pools for 8 years but none as recently as 13 years ago. I have never done a structural repair and do not have a shovel on my van.
Now that all that is out of the way, let us talk all things swimming pools.
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Folks had a swimming pool. All kinds of crap drowned in it, rats, racoons, squirrels, etc.
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Just gonna post a bunch of pools that I maintain the equipment on.
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Question 1 of 2: do you maintain these pools shirtless?
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Yeah they have a kick-ass bb court with scoreboard, big whoop.
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That's a great looking human pond. I love it
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Folks had a swimming pool. All kinds of crap drowned in it, rats, racoons, squirrels, etc.
Yes, this is owning a pool summed up in 2 sentences pretty much.
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Question 1 of 2: do you maintain these pools shirtless?
When I was young and ripped and cleaned pools, yes. Now that I do the hard and respectful work, unfortunately no.
Read that as no longer ripped.
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Folks had a swimming pool. All kinds of crap drowned in it, rats, racoons, squirrels, etc.
Yes, this is owning a pool summed up in 2 sentences pretty much.
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If you can't swim stay the hell out of my human lake ffs.
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This house was destroyed by the tornado 3-4 years ago. Pool remained, house just finished being rebuilt.
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have been trying to convince the wife to agree to a pool for several years now. no luck so far.
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have been trying to convince the wife to agree to a pool for several years now. no luck so far.
No offense but your wife sounds like the smart one in the family. You buy a place with a pool if you want one, you do not build one. Unless pool is life and you are going to be in it all the time. Still, you buy a place with a pool.
That is money you will not get back.
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Not in pics for this property is the master courtyard spa and equipment.
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these pools seem extraordinarily vibe focused and not giant deep water sport focused. short term games being played here.
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these pools seem extraordinarily vibe focused and not giant deep water sport focused. short term games being played here.
If you can't play water polo, is it even a real pool?
No.
eff off, AST
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Do any of those pools have a cooling system? Is that even a thing? Seems like swimming in Dallas in July/Aug would be like taking a gross, sweaty bath.
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People who have basic 10 Ft deep sports pools can’t afford AST you idiots
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How many times when you were younger did a super hot MILF come out and do sexy time with you when you were the pool boy?
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Is there any reason anyone would choose not to get a saltwater pool (side from being a complete idiot)?
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these pools seem extraordinarily vibe focused and not giant deep water sport focused. short term games being played here.
If you can't play water polo, is it even a real pool?
No.
eff off, AST
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Do any of those pools have a cooling system? Is that even a thing? Seems like swimming in Dallas in July/Aug would be like taking a gross, sweaty bath.
This one has geothermal heating & cooling, do equipment maintenance on many with such. If I post a pic that has a black and/or silver box then it is geothermal.
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Is there any reason anyone would choose not to get a saltwater pool (side from being a complete idiot)?
I have not uncovered another reason other than that.
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Gat dam
Good friend’s parents had a 25ish foot above ground pool that was awesome
Beginning of pandemic neighbor got a 10 foot diameter temporary pool that is about 4 feet deep. Kids love it, has a little filter. Also awesome
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These pump/filtration/treatment/cooling/heating setup pics are like porn for me
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Evaporative cooling style of chiller, think swamp cooler. Really a great and cost effective option but customer service/warranty for this company is seriously lacking. Don’t know why I don’t have any pics of them fully installed but here a couple different ones from during the install process.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230224/d9868d361532e042bf35468d020221c1.jpg)
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This property had an outdoor pool & spa in addition to what they have inside. Basement houses the garage, gym, indoor virtual driving range, and a spa complete with hot & cold plunges. Being in the basement in addition to HVAC heat pump cooling abilities, the plunge is kept at 40°.
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Gat dam
Good friend’s parents had a 25ish foot above ground pool that was awesome
Beginning of pandemic neighbor got a 10 foot diameter temporary pool that is about 4 feet deep. Kids love it, has a little filter. Also awesome
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Pools are great, especially when it is hot. My personal pool is a 1000 gallon poly stock tank with some pretty heavy duty equipment considering. It is refreshing to get into and that is all you really need in a pool.
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Gat dam
Good friend’s parents had a 25ish foot above ground pool that was awesome
Beginning of pandemic neighbor got a 10 foot diameter temporary pool that is about 4 feet deep. Kids love it, has a little filter. Also awesome
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Pools are great, especially when it is hot. My personal pool is a 1000 gallon poly stock tank with some pretty heavy duty equipment considering. It is refreshing to get into and that is all you really need in a pool.
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Pretty sweet Moroccan tile design.
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amazing pools but what do you know about this fireplace w/ pizza oven setup?
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Evaporative cooling style of chiller, think swamp cooler. Really a great and cost effective option but customer service/warranty for this company is seriously lacking. Don’t know why I don’t have any pics of them fully installed but here a couple different ones from during the install process.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230224/d9868d361532e042bf35468d020221c1.jpg)
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I would be concerned about legionella
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Evaporative cooling style of chiller, think swamp cooler. Really a great and cost effective option but customer service/warranty for this company is seriously lacking. Don’t know why I don’t have any pics of them fully installed but here a couple different ones from during the install process.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230224/d9868d361532e042bf35468d020221c1.jpg)
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I would be concerned about legionella
This unit does not use a condensing coil or create vapor. It is rain curtain over a baffle with a strong fan cooling the rainfall water. It fills the basin and then gets sent back to mix with the pool water via the plumbing. No vapor is created. The true HVAC style chillers/heat pumps would seem to pose a greater risk for such than this. But I am not an expert on that subject.
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amazing pools but what do you know about this fireplace w/ pizza oven setup?
Nothing much other than it is indeed a pizza oven. Their outdoor kitchen is ridic. This is my favorite item in their kitchen, followed closely by the pizza oven.
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Anyone know this mega chiefs fan? (X-post w/yes pls thread)
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This unit does not use a condensing coil or create vapor. It is rain curtain over a baffle with a strong fan cooling the rainfall water. It fills the basin and then gets sent back to mix with the pool water via the plumbing. No vapor is created. The true HVAC style chillers/heat pumps would seem to pose a greater risk for such than this. But I am not an expert on that subject.
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Hmm, that does make much sense, the heat that is being rejected has to go somewhere. I suspect it operates like a smaller version of a cooling tower. The warmer water flows down over the top of an evaporative media, a fan draws air through that media in the opposite direction. The air picks up the heat from the water, so hot air gets blown out the top and colder water goes down to the basin where it gets pumped out. I suspect you will find that hot air gets blown out of the top of that thing.
Just as susceptible to legionella as a cooling tower, but maybe the chemicals used in a pool are good at preventing that from happening. Now I’m curious and I’m going to fixate on this until I read up on it.
For anyone who read all that and needs PDHs just dm me your email I will be sending out certificates this afternoon
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This unit does not use a condensing coil or create vapor. It is rain curtain over a baffle with a strong fan cooling the rainfall water. It fills the basin and then gets sent back to mix with the pool water via the plumbing. No vapor is created. The true HVAC style chillers/heat pumps would seem to pose a greater risk for such than this. But I am not an expert on that subject.
Hmm, that does make much sense, the heat that is being rejected has to go somewhere. I suspect it operates like a smaller version of a cooling tower. The warmer water flows down over the top of an evaporative media, a fan draws air through that media in the opposite direction. The air picks up the heat from the water, so hot air gets blown out the top and colder water goes down to the basin where it gets pumped out. I suspect you will find that hot air gets blown out of the top of that thing.
Just as susceptible to legionella as a cooling tower, but maybe the chemicals used in a pool are good at preventing that from happening. Now I’m curious and I’m going to fixate on this until I read up on it.
For anyone who read all that and needs PDHs just dm me your email I will be sending out certificates this afternoon
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The fan is at the top and is where the air is drawn in. Air escapes out the side where the removable covers are.
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To expound a little further BAC, it would appear to put a pool at as much risk of legionella as a waterfall, rockfall, or spa overflow would. Its general concept is to create a lot more surface area, via the baffles, to allow for more water air mixture and then utilizing a fan and baffles made of a material that is easy to cool to lower water temperature and mix in with pool. It becomes a very inefficient unit on really humid days as the fan can barely cool the moisture rich air.
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Anyone know this mega chiefs fan? (X-post w/yes pls thread)
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Idk but I am hoping what that video is not showing is the sizable investment he made in order to rectify the humidity in his basement now. That will eventually bring down a house if not done correctly.
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People who have basic 10 Ft deep sports pools can’t afford AST you idiots
A gentleman does not kiss & tell sir.
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I've been thinking about building my own plunge pool. Probably 15 feet long by about 8 feet wide with a bench formed into one side. Would make it where the water is chest deep whether you are standing or sitting on the bench. I have a kickass concrete guy that can pour it. I just need to figure out the equipment side of the equation. Was definitely thinking about a heat pump of some sort to heat/cool water. We got into something like this in Vegas at the Vdara and it was pretty awesome.
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AST, how much for you to live in my basement in Omaha while you design and general contract me a pool and also cook for my family? Like a billion dollars? I do HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY MAN! GET REAL!
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AST, how much for you to live in my basement in Omaha while you design and general contract me a pool and also cook for my family? Like a billion dollars? I do HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY MAN! GET REAL!
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Gonna be at least $3 a day, let me think about it.
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People who have basic 10 Ft deep sports pools can’t afford AST you idiots
I messaged him a couple of questions and am now scared to see the bill :runaway:
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People who have basic 10 Ft deep sports pools can’t afford AST you idiots
I messaged him a couple of questions and am now scared to see the bill :runaway:
I will sign the lien waiver when I get the check. We have discussed this numerous times, bringing our laundry public will not get me to waive the lien until I am paid.
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I've been thinking about building my own plunge pool. Probably 15 feet long by about 8 feet wide with a bench formed into one side. Would make it where the water is chest deep whether you are standing or sitting on the bench. I have a kickass concrete guy that can pour it. I just need to figure out the equipment side of the equation. Was definitely thinking about a heat pump of some sort to heat/cool water. We got into something like this in Vegas at the Vdara and it was pretty awesome.
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Hoodrat pool stuff going down.
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Is Post Oak meant for the smoker heating that tub?
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Is Post Oak meant for the smoker heating that tub?
Idk my bff Jill
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rough ridin' sick
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Closing Friday on a house with a pool. What chemicals should I get ast house is out of town so harder water? Also need to look into a good cover and pump for it. Any other recommendos lmk
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Any other recommendos lmk
fill it in with good dirt asap.
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An above ground pool might make an amazing raised bed garden
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An above ground pool might make an amazing raised bed garden
Half buried so the top of the pool is waist high. Put all your veggies on the outside radius and fill the middle hard to reach part with some wildflower mix.
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sell the house to a friend and then use the pool you dumbass
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Closing Friday on a house with a pool. What chemicals should I get ast house is out of town so harder water? Also need to look into a good cover and pump for it. Any other recommendos lmk
I am not familiar with any treatment that can help with hard water. In regards to covers, I am not super familiar. Most of the covers I deal with are built into the decking of the pool and are handled by a specific pool company cover.
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It was at this moment that yla realized he mumped up
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I have to put shitload of dry acid in my hot tub when I refill it to bring the ph down. Our well water is pretty hard.
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I have to put shitload of dry acid in my hot tub when I refill it to bring the ph down. Our well water is pretty hard.
This is what I subscribe for.. has a hot tub as well.
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I have to put shitload of dry acid in my hot tub when I refill it to bring the ph down. Our well water is pretty hard.
This is what I subscribe for.. has a hot tub as well.
XT does acid in his hot tub, noted.
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I have to put shitload of dry acid in my hot tub when I refill it to bring the ph down. Our well water is pretty hard.
This is what I subscribe for.. has a hot tub as well.
Does the house have a waterbed too?
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I have to put shitload of dry acid in my hot tub when I refill it to bring the ph down. Our well water is pretty hard.
This is what I subscribe for.. has a hot tub as well.
Does the house have a waterbed too?
I wish.. it does have a jacuzzi tub that is probably big enough to fit my whole family in. Once kids get old enough that sexcuzzi tub is going away. that particular bathroom has mirrors.. above and all around :fatty:
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Hard water is from calcium, and can not be removed, only diluted with fresh water that is not hard. You could have just said high ph. That is different and easily treatable. Careful though. Chemicals used to lower ph also lower alkalinity. You will most likely need to use a chemical to raise alkalinity once ph is lowered. Having good alkalinity is key to protecting pool and equipment.
Welcome to your full time chemistry experiment.
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I have found that once I get my pH close to where it needs to be, the alkalinity is in a good range. At this point, I have it down to a science regarding how much of everything I have to put in when refilling the ol' tub.
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I have to put shitload of dry acid in my hot tub when I refill it to bring the ph down. Our well water is pretty hard.
This is what I subscribe for.. has a hot tub as well.
XT does acid in his hot tub, noted.
Only if @Winters comes to visit.
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I have to put shitload of dry acid in my hot tub when I refill it to bring the ph down. Our well water is pretty hard.
This is what I subscribe for.. has a hot tub as well.
XT does acid in his hot tub, noted.
Only if @Winters comes to visit.
You just name the time
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My pump is not variable speed and hogs electricity like Tang and transfers. Would like to swap it out for a variable speed one with a timer. It looks like I could just disconnect fittings on both sides and swap them out, plug the new one in, set timer, and high five my wife. Is there anything else to worry about?
What pump should I buy? Pool is just under 20,000gal.
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My pump is not variable speed and hogs electricity like Tang and transfers. Would like to swap it out for a variable speed one with a timer. It looks like I could just disconnect fittings on both sides and swap them out, plug the new one in, set timer, and high five my wife. Is there anything else to worry about?
What pump should I buy? Pool is just under 20,000gal.
Most pumps do not simply line up with other pumps irt unions on the pump inlet and outlet unless the pump you currently have has a vs model you can swap it out with. So plumbing will probably be required.
Additionally, switching to a vs pump may require you to upgrade your electrical circuit supplying the pump. VS pumps generally are rated at higher amps than single speed pumps. You can program them to draw less electricity but the circuit has to be able to withhold the max amps that the equipment on it draws.
Send me pics of equipment, pump, motor rating plate on pump, and pool. We can point you in the right direction.
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My pump is not variable speed and hogs electricity like Tang and transfers. Would like to swap it out for a variable speed one with a timer. It looks like I could just disconnect fittings on both sides and swap them out, plug the new one in, set timer, and high five my wife. Is there anything else to worry about?
What pump should I buy? Pool is just under 20,000gal.
you got cut sheets for the existing pump and the proposed replacement?
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My pump is not variable speed and hogs electricity like Tang and transfers. Would like to swap it out for a variable speed one with a timer. It looks like I could just disconnect fittings on both sides and swap them out, plug the new one in, set timer, and high five my wife. Is there anything else to worry about?
What pump should I buy? Pool is just under 20,000gal.
Most pumps do not simply line up with other pumps irt unions on the pump inlet and outlet unless the pump you currently have has a vs model you can swap it out with. So plumbing will probably be required.
Additionally, switching to a vs pump may require you to upgrade your electrical circuit supplying the pump. VS pumps generally are rated at higher amps than single speed pumps. You can program them to draw less electricity but the circuit has to be able to withhold the max amps that the equipment on it draws.
Send me pics of equipment, pump, motor rating plate on pump, and pool. We can point you in the right direction.
Oh dear, CNS must have electrocuted himself as he has gone radio silent. Prayers up.
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My pump is not variable speed and hogs electricity like Tang and transfers. Would like to swap it out for a variable speed one with a timer. It looks like I could just disconnect fittings on both sides and swap them out, plug the new one in, set timer, and high five my wife. Is there anything else to worry about?
What pump should I buy? Pool is just under 20,000gal.
Most pumps do not simply line up with other pumps irt unions on the pump inlet and outlet unless the pump you currently have has a vs model you can swap it out with. So plumbing will probably be required.
Additionally, switching to a vs pump may require you to upgrade your electrical circuit supplying the pump. VS pumps generally are rated at higher amps than single speed pumps. You can program them to draw less electricity but the circuit has to be able to withhold the max amps that the equipment on it draws.
Send me pics of equipment, pump, motor rating plate on pump, and pool. We can point you in the right direction.
Oh dear, CNS must have electrocuted himself as he has gone radio silent. Prayers up.
just to be a total nerd here, but the reason the wiring could need to be upgraded is because those variable speed pumps are rated to run at 125% design speed. And since they are capable of doing that, its a good idea to make sure that the wiring supplying the power to those motors is big enough that they don't burn up. In theory, as long as the drive doesn't run the motor any higher than 60 Hz you won't have a problem. Thank you for coming to my TED TALK
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My pump is not variable speed and hogs electricity like Tang and transfers. Would like to swap it out for a variable speed one with a timer. It looks like I could just disconnect fittings on both sides and swap them out, plug the new one in, set timer, and high five my wife. Is there anything else to worry about?
What pump should I buy? Pool is just under 20,000gal.
Most pumps do not simply line up with other pumps irt unions on the pump inlet and outlet unless the pump you currently have has a vs model you can swap it out with. So plumbing will probably be required.
Additionally, switching to a vs pump may require you to upgrade your electrical circuit supplying the pump. VS pumps generally are rated at higher amps than single speed pumps. You can program them to draw less electricity but the circuit has to be able to withhold the max amps that the equipment on it draws.
Send me pics of equipment, pump, motor rating plate on pump, and pool. We can point you in the right direction.
Oh dear, CNS must have electrocuted himself as he has gone radio silent. Prayers up.
just to be a total nerd here, but the reason the wiring could need to be upgraded is because those variable speed pumps are rated to run at 125% design speed. And since they are capable of doing that, its a good idea to make sure that the wiring supplying the power to those motors is big enough that they don't burn up. In theory, as long as the drive doesn't run the motor any higher than 60 Hz you won't have a problem. Thank you for coming to my TED TALK
Not to be a total business owner geek, but the reason to only install it so long as the circuit is sized to the max rating of the pump is because I don’t think a court of law is going to go along with “I know it was undersized to this pumps maximum capabilities, but he said he would not run it higher than I programmed it. I am really sorry his wires melted and caught fire and his house burnt down but the homeowner said ge would not do that.”
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Scariest moment in my pool career just unfolded this morning. Customer having a big party this weekend and I was asked over to fix a pump leak and check all the equipment. So I am checking everything. The last thing I check is the air blower for spa. The instant I press the button on the automation to engage the relay for the air blower and explosion occurred. Momentary fireball, noise concussion so loud that I could not hear anything other than ringing, landscaping pebbles from the ground cover raining down, jagged pvc shrapnel everywhere with a piece even knocking my hat off. All while I am trying to figure out what the eff just happened and if I am still in danger.
About 5 minutes later I could finally hear again and there is still a slight ringing in my ears 1.5 hours later. I have always known that you can not do any sort of plumbing repairs on an air blower line without giving ample time for the pvc glue & cleaner fumes time to vent. That is why I always return the next day to reinstall the blower on the plumbing. But there was no plumbing done today, or by anyone recently on the property. Briefly spoke with the customer and she said they use the blower occasionally.
I have spoken with several trusted industry veterans and the general conclusion is this. Someway somehow something highly combustive had found its way into the blower line. When and how is beyond any possible scenario that any of us can come up with. This is just not rough ridin' normal. So the moment the blower motor engaged either a spark or the change in pressure caused the explosion.
Still shaking. I would call it a day but these customers need the pump replaced for their party.
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Anyone thinking of getting a pool should just read the last couple of pages of this thread.
Glad your face didn't get blown off AST. You should prob get your earballs checked out at some point though.
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Anyone thinking of getting a pool should just read the last couple of pages of this thread.
Glad your face didn't get blown off AST. You should prob get your earballs checked out at some point though.
Thanks man. I just went through the past 1 year of invoices the customer sent me from the previous repair company and there was no mention of any work done to the air blower or plumbing associated with it. So it is possible that someone did work but did not invoice for it but that is not likely. I know I charge for all work that I do or I do not due it. And the customer says they know for a fact the air blower was used occasionally this past fall and winter.
So the really scary part is there is still not explanation for what highly combustive material/fumes were in the plumbing and additionally how they got there. Fun stuff!
So the scary part is
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How you managed to avoid serious injury astonishes me.
Also, seems like an awfully awkward situation from a client management perspective.
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How you managed to avoid serious injury astonishes me.
Also, seems like an awfully awkward situation from a client management perspective.
Yes, very. “Hey customer, when I pushed a button there was a pretty significant explosion that easily could have resulted in me being in the hospital or worse. Yeah, have no clue how it happened nor do many of my trusted professionals that have been in the industry for 40+ years.”
The current working theory is that there was a buildup of methane gas in the line from rotting living plant or animal debris. But for in order for that to happen, there would need to be plenty of debris blocking the line and significant time. That is pretty directly contradictory to the customer’s almost 100% certainty that they have used the air blower multiple times since purchasing the house a little over a year ago.
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Shitter was full, clark
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Damn dude that’s crazy. Glad you’re ok.
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Shitter was full, clark
:lol:
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My pump is not variable speed and hogs electricity like Tang and transfers. Would like to swap it out for a variable speed one with a timer. It looks like I could just disconnect fittings on both sides and swap them out, plug the new one in, set timer, and high five my wife. Is there anything else to worry about?
What pump should I buy? Pool is just under 20,000gal.
Most pumps do not simply line up with other pumps irt unions on the pump inlet and outlet unless the pump you currently have has a vs model you can swap it out with. So plumbing will probably be required.
Additionally, switching to a vs pump may require you to upgrade your electrical circuit supplying the pump. VS pumps generally are rated at higher amps than single speed pumps. You can program them to draw less electricity but the circuit has to be able to withhold the max amps that the equipment on it draws.
Send me pics of equipment, pump, motor rating plate on pump, and pool. We can point you in the right direction.
Sorry for taking so long to get back to this. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230526/4a5996ea186901decb867f6b0b9cdaf1.jpg)current pump is a Jandy FloPro (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230526/7a962c999c3a6f9a3dc88dd11dd95a60.jpg)
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Scariest moment in my pool career just unfolded this morning. Customer having a big party this weekend and I was asked over to fix a pump leak and check all the equipment. So I am checking everything. The last thing I check is the air blower for spa. The instant I press the button on the automation to engage the relay for the air blower and explosion occurred. Momentary fireball, noise concussion so loud that I could not hear anything other than ringing, landscaping pebbles from the ground cover raining down, jagged pvc shrapnel everywhere with a piece even knocking my hat off. All while I am trying to figure out what the eff just happened and if I am still in danger.
About 5 minutes later I could finally hear again and there is still a slight ringing in my ears 1.5 hours later. I have always known that you can not do any sort of plumbing repairs on an air blower line without giving ample time for the pvc glue & cleaner fumes time to vent. That is why I always return the next day to reinstall the blower on the plumbing. But there was no plumbing done today, or by anyone recently on the property. Briefly spoke with the customer and she said they use the blower occasionally.
I have spoken with several trusted industry veterans and the general conclusion is this. Someway somehow something highly combustive had found its way into the blower line. When and how is beyond any possible scenario that any of us can come up with. This is just not rough ridin' normal. So the moment the blower motor engaged either a spark or the change in pressure caused the explosion.
Still shaking. I would call it a day but these customers need the pump replaced for their party.
Oh crap! You were IN the potato gun!
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thinkin' about putting in a pool again.....
local ad activity would lead me to believe they are now cheaper and people need work doing them. would have put one in during covid if I could have found anyone to do it. Now I'M IN CHARGE!
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just move
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Did they make you quit pounding Miller Lites at the HOA pool?
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Did they make you quit pounding Miller Lites at the HOA pool?
absolutely not. but it's like 100 yards away and they'll let anyone in there (maximum two guests). I want my own one so the only urine in it is mine and my families.
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and like birds probably
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but that's fine
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My pump is not variable speed and hogs electricity like Tang and transfers. Would like to swap it out for a variable speed one with a timer. It looks like I could just disconnect fittings on both sides and swap them out, plug the new one in, set timer, and high five my wife. Is there anything else to worry about?
What pump should I buy? Pool is just under 20,000gal.
Most pumps do not simply line up with other pumps irt unions on the pump inlet and outlet unless the pump you currently have has a vs model you can swap it out with. So plumbing will probably be required.
Additionally, switching to a vs pump may require you to upgrade your electrical circuit supplying the pump. VS pumps generally are rated at higher amps than single speed pumps. You can program them to draw less electricity but the circuit has to be able to withhold the max amps that the equipment on it draws.
Send me pics of equipment, pump, motor rating plate on pump, and pool. We can point you in the right direction.
Sorry for taking so long to get back to this. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230526/4a5996ea186901decb867f6b0b9cdaf1.jpg)current pump is a Jandy FloPro (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230526/7a962c999c3a6f9a3dc88dd11dd95a60.jpg)
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So Jandy makes that model of pump in a VS version.
https://www.jandy.com/en/products/pool-pumps/vs-flopro-1-hp
If you have Jandy automation then just buying the pump will suffice. Connecting the low boltage communication from the pump to the computer will allow you to program and operate the pump seamlessly. There are older Aqualink automation PCBs that do not support variable speed pumps but if the computer is recent and/or has the iAqualink phone controls it will.
If you have mechanical controls or a Pentair automation system (not sure about Hayward’s capabilities) then you will need to buy the accompanying mountable controller to program pump.
As far as plumbing, that pump will be a direct coupler swap-out. Meaning that you will only need a large pair of channel locks to swap out the pump on the plumbing.
As far as electrical, you will need a 20amp service for that pump. If that is what you currently have and no other equipment is on the circuit, you will be fine. If their is any other electrical equipment on that circuit and you have a 20amp then you will want to speak with your electrician on if your breaker/service meets your requirements.
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thinkin' about putting in a pool again.....
in my experience you would be much happier if you instead plant a few orange trees in the part of the lawn you're thinking of giving over to a pool.
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thinkin' about putting in a pool again.....
in my experience you would be much happier if you instead plant a few orange trees in the part of the lawn you're thinking of giving over to a pool.
oranges are basically free and I buy them at the grocery store for zero dollars. no need to get a tree. pools.....now there's a commodity with scarcity.
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My pump is not variable speed and hogs electricity like Tang and transfers. Would like to swap it out for a variable speed one with a timer. It looks like I could just disconnect fittings on both sides and swap them out, plug the new one in, set timer, and high five my wife. Is there anything else to worry about?
What pump should I buy? Pool is just under 20,000gal.
Most pumps do not simply line up with other pumps irt unions on the pump inlet and outlet unless the pump you currently have has a vs model you can swap it out with. So plumbing will probably be required.
Additionally, switching to a vs pump may require you to upgrade your electrical circuit supplying the pump. VS pumps generally are rated at higher amps than single speed pumps. You can program them to draw less electricity but the circuit has to be able to withhold the max amps that the equipment on it draws.
Send me pics of equipment, pump, motor rating plate on pump, and pool. We can point you in the right direction.
Sorry for taking so long to get back to this. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230526/4a5996ea186901decb867f6b0b9cdaf1.jpg)current pump is a Jandy FloPro (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230526/7a962c999c3a6f9a3dc88dd11dd95a60.jpg)
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So Jandy makes that model of pump in a VS version.
https://www.jandy.com/en/products/pool-pumps/vs-flopro-1-hp
If you have Jandy automation then just buying the pump will suffice. Connecting the low boltage communication from the pump to the computer will allow you to program and operate the pump seamlessly. There are older Aqualink automation PCBs that do not support variable speed pumps but if the computer is recent and/or has the iAqualink phone controls it will.
If you have mechanical controls or a Pentair automation system (not sure about Hayward’s capabilities) then you will need to buy the accompanying mountable controller to program pump.
As far as plumbing, that pump will be a direct coupler swap-out. Meaning that you will only need a large pair of channel locks to swap out the pump on the plumbing.
As far as electrical, you will need a 20amp service for that pump. If that is what you currently have and no other equipment is on the circuit, you will be fine. If their is any other electrical equipment on that circuit and you have a 20amp then you will want to speak with your electrician on if your breaker/service meets your requirements.
Nice.
So, there are no controls. They literally have me turning the breaker on/off to control the pump. It’s a 40a circuit with nothing else on it. With this, it sounds like I also need to buy a controller with the Jandy VS. I really want to prog/control with my phone and not use the breaker like a switch.
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I second the move to a house with a pool idea unless you have money that you never really want to see a return on. I mean fun will be had for sure with a pool but pools don’t really add much value to a property. Just makes the property more or less desirable to certain different people.
But, if you are going to be in the house forever and/or think a pool will be something you will enjoy, go for it Steve Dave.
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My pump is not variable speed and hogs electricity like Tang and transfers. Would like to swap it out for a variable speed one with a timer. It looks like I could just disconnect fittings on both sides and swap them out, plug the new one in, set timer, and high five my wife. Is there anything else to worry about?
What pump should I buy? Pool is just under 20,000gal.
Most pumps do not simply line up with other pumps irt unions on the pump inlet and outlet unless the pump you currently have has a vs model you can swap it out with. So plumbing will probably be required.
Additionally, switching to a vs pump may require you to upgrade your electrical circuit supplying the pump. VS pumps generally are rated at higher amps than single speed pumps. You can program them to draw less electricity but the circuit has to be able to withhold the max amps that the equipment on it draws.
Send me pics of equipment, pump, motor rating plate on pump, and pool. We can point you in the right direction.
Sorry for taking so long to get back to this. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230526/4a5996ea186901decb867f6b0b9cdaf1.jpg)current pump is a Jandy FloPro (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230526/7a962c999c3a6f9a3dc88dd11dd95a60.jpg)
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
So Jandy makes that model of pump in a VS version.
https://www.jandy.com/en/products/pool-pumps/vs-flopro-1-hp
If you have Jandy automation then just buying the pump will suffice. Connecting the low boltage communication from the pump to the computer will allow you to program and operate the pump seamlessly. There are older Aqualink automation PCBs that do not support variable speed pumps but if the computer is recent and/or has the iAqualink phone controls it will.
If you have mechanical controls or a Pentair automation system (not sure about Hayward’s capabilities) then you will need to buy the accompanying mountable controller to program pump.
As far as plumbing, that pump will be a direct coupler swap-out. Meaning that you will only need a large pair of channel locks to swap out the pump on the plumbing.
As far as electrical, you will need a 20amp service for that pump. If that is what you currently have and no other equipment is on the circuit, you will be fine. If their is any other electrical equipment on that circuit and you have a 20amp then you will want to speak with your electrician on if your breaker/service meets your requirements.
Nice.
So, there are no controls. They literally have me turning the breaker on/off to control the pump. It’s a 40a circuit with nothing else on it. With this, it sounds like I also need to buy a controller with the Jandy VS. I really want to prog/control with my phone and not use the breaker like a switch.
The link I provided has the information for the controller on it. That controller though is a dumb controller and is just a direct communication link to the pump only. No external/phone capabilities.
This link though is what you would need instead of the direct control interface.
https://www.jandy.com/en/products/pool-pumps/iqpump01
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I appreciate it. Will check that out.
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Does the "VS" in Janky VS stand for "Very Special"?
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Does the "VS" in Janky VS stand for "Very Special"?
VS = Variable Speed
VSF = Variable Speed & Flow. Same concept but allows you to program pump by flow rate instead of motor rpm. Used for systems that require very specific flow rates due to features and other hydraulic requirements.
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I am also in the sd camp of considering maybe considering a pool at my home. I am also definitely having a completely new fence put in to replace the currently very gross fence. I should probably have the pool put in after the demo of the current fence and before the new fence is erected, right?
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For sure
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My weiner is VSF
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So I think I have the explosion cause pinpointed now. This pool/spa has an old school plumbing set up. The spa is only 1/2” raised from the pool. When it is like that, there is no need to plumb a spa overflow line during construction. A spa overflow is utilized in systems where the attached spa is elevated as there needs to be a mechanical check valve in place on such systems in order from gravity taking over when the pump/waterflow turns off. This is because in those systems, the spa will drain into the pool every night via the plumbing until the 2 connected but separate bodies of water equal a balanced state. This results in water loss out the pool overflow drain. The next day the pump turns on, the spa is filled by pulling water out of the pool, more water is added and water loss and chemical dilution occurs over and over and over againn.
So with this system, water is constantly going through the spa returns. His system also had someone install dual salt cells on it last summer. Salt cells constantly off gas sodium hydrochloride, hydrochlourus acid, and HYDROGEN. The hydrogen gas over time made its way past the spa venturi plumbing and was just sitting in the air blower line waiting for a way to escape. Well, there was no way to escape unless someone new this was happening and they as able to purge the line. Not the case. Me testing the air blower was the first opportunity the hydrogen had and it was via an ignition source.
So yeah, all signs point towards a hydrogen gas explosion that I got to experience yesterday. Ad bad as it was, I am pretty sure it would have been much much worse later. rough ridin' hell man.
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So I think I have the explosion cause pinpointed now. This pool/spa has an old school plumbing set up. The spa is only 1/2” raised from the pool. When it is like that, there is no need to plumb a spa overflow line during construction. A spa overflow is utilized in systems where the attached spa is elevated as there needs to be a mechanical check valve in place on such systems in order from gravity taking over when the pump/waterflow turns off. This is because in those systems, the spa will drain into the pool every night via the plumbing until the 2 connected but separate bodies of water equal a balanced state. This results in water loss out the pool overflow drain. The next day the pump turns on, the spa is filled by pulling water out of the pool, more water is added and water loss and chemical dilution occurs over and over and over againn.
So with this system, water is constantly going through the spa returns. His system also had someone install dual salt cells on it last summer. Salt cells constantly off gas sodium hydrochloride, hydrochlourus acid, and HYDROGEN. The hydrogen gas over time made its way past the spa venturi plumbing and was just sitting in the air blower line waiting for a way to escape. Well, there was no way to escape unless someone new this was happening and they as able to purge the line. Not the case. Me testing the air blower was the first opportunity the hydrogen had and it was via an ignition source.
So yeah, all signs point towards a hydrogen gas explosion that I got to experience yesterday. Ad bad as it was, I am pretty sure it would have been much much worse later. rough ridin' hell man.
AST out here doing gods work, maybe charge hazard pay if you have been tasked with playing bomb squad in the future.
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a hydrogen gas explosion
OH THE POOLMANITY!
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Glad you are ok AST, that is some scary crap.
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a hydrogen gas explosion
OH THE POOLMANITY!
I risk my life ever day on the front lines of Pool War III and I and my fellow poolttiots to not appreciate this level of casual dismissal of the heroic and absolutely necessary risks we take for society! I patiently await your apology. Good day.
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a hydrogen gas explosion
OH THE POOLMANITY!
I risk my life ever day on the front lines of Pool War III and I and my fellow poolttiots to not appreciate this level of casual dismissal of the heroic and absolutely necessary risks we take for society! I patiently await your apology. Good day.
if i apologized i'd be lion, mane
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but fr are you not familiar with the hindenburg audio?
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:impatient:
but fr are you not familiar with the hindenburg audio?
Yes, I was working in more pool related humor! I truly appreciated the joke and why I attempted to reply in kind.
I thought pooltriot was stellar enough to overshadow the Pool War III which I knew was week but rolled with in anyways. I will do better next time. Or effort to.
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So I think I have the explosion cause pinpointed now. This pool/spa has an old school plumbing set up. The spa is only 1/2” raised from the pool. When it is like that, there is no need to plumb a spa overflow line during construction. A spa overflow is utilized in systems where the attached spa is elevated as there needs to be a mechanical check valve in place on such systems in order from gravity taking over when the pump/waterflow turns off. This is because in those systems, the spa will drain into the pool every night via the plumbing until the 2 connected but separate bodies of water equal a balanced state. This results in water loss out the pool overflow drain. The next day the pump turns on, the spa is filled by pulling water out of the pool, more water is added and water loss and chemical dilution occurs over and over and over againn.
So with this system, water is constantly going through the spa returns. His system also had someone install dual salt cells on it last summer. Salt cells constantly off gas sodium hydrochloride, hydrochlourus acid, and HYDROGEN. The hydrogen gas over time made its way past the spa venturi plumbing and was just sitting in the air blower line waiting for a way to escape. Well, there was no way to escape unless someone new this was happening and they as able to purge the line. Not the case. Me testing the air blower was the first opportunity the hydrogen had and it was via an ignition source.
So yeah, all signs point towards a hydrogen gas explosion that I got to experience yesterday. Ad bad as it was, I am pretty sure it would have been much much worse later. rough ridin' hell man.
But for real, are the homeowners pissed that you blew up their hot tub?
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So I think I have the explosion cause pinpointed now. This pool/spa has an old school plumbing set up. The spa is only 1/2” raised from the pool. When it is like that, there is no need to plumb a spa overflow line during construction. A spa overflow is utilized in systems where the attached spa is elevated as there needs to be a mechanical check valve in place on such systems in order from gravity taking over when the pump/waterflow turns off. This is because in those systems, the spa will drain into the pool every night via the plumbing until the 2 connected but separate bodies of water equal a balanced state. This results in water loss out the pool overflow drain. The next day the pump turns on, the spa is filled by pulling water out of the pool, more water is added and water loss and chemical dilution occurs over and over and over againn.
So with this system, water is constantly going through the spa returns. His system also had someone install dual salt cells on it last summer. Salt cells constantly off gas sodium hydrochloride, hydrochlourus acid, and HYDROGEN. The hydrogen gas over time made its way past the spa venturi plumbing and was just sitting in the air blower line waiting for a way to escape. Well, there was no way to escape unless someone new this was happening and they as able to purge the line. Not the case. Me testing the air blower was the first opportunity the hydrogen had and it was via an ignition source.
So yeah, all signs point towards a hydrogen gas explosion that I got to experience yesterday. Ad bad as it was, I am pretty sure it would have been much much worse later. rough ridin' hell man.
But for real, are the homeowners pissed that you blew up their hot tub?
Nah, they are cool. It was either me doing it when I was there or them doing it while they were there with their kids. This property is north of $10mil so they have the money to address it and no for a fact that there is nothing I did that caused this. I was just the unfortunate person there that got to witness it play out.
1. Glad I was not hurt.
2. Anxious to find out why to prevent it from happening again with even possible worse results.
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So I think I have the explosion cause pinpointed now. This pool/spa has an old school plumbing set up. The spa is only 1/2” raised from the pool. When it is like that, there is no need to plumb a spa overflow line during construction. A spa overflow is utilized in systems where the attached spa is elevated as there needs to be a mechanical check valve in place on such systems in order from gravity taking over when the pump/waterflow turns off. This is because in those systems, the spa will drain into the pool every night via the plumbing until the 2 connected but separate bodies of water equal a balanced state. This results in water loss out the pool overflow drain. The next day the pump turns on, the spa is filled by pulling water out of the pool, more water is added and water loss and chemical dilution occurs over and over and over againn.
So with this system, water is constantly going through the spa returns. His system also had someone install dual salt cells on it last summer. Salt cells constantly off gas sodium hydrochloride, hydrochlourus acid, and HYDROGEN. The hydrogen gas over time made its way past the spa venturi plumbing and was just sitting in the air blower line waiting for a way to escape. Well, there was no way to escape unless someone new this was happening and they as able to purge the line. Not the case. Me testing the air blower was the first opportunity the hydrogen had and it was via an ignition source.
So yeah, all signs point towards a hydrogen gas explosion that I got to experience yesterday. Ad bad as it was, I am pretty sure it would have been much much worse later. rough ridin' hell man.
But for real, are the homeowners pissed that you blew up their hot tub?
Nah, they are cool. It was either me doing it when I was there or them doing it while they were there with their kids. This property is north of $10mil so they have the money to address it and no for a fact that there is nothing I did that caused this. I was just the unfortunate person there that got to witness it play out.
1. Glad I was not hurt.
2. Anxious to find out why to prevent it from happening again with even possible worse results.
If it wasn't you who did the salt cell thing, you should tell that customer to file a claim against salt cell guy's insurance. Sounds like he mumped up and is lucky he didn't kill a pool full of kids. His insurance should certainly pay for the putting back together of things. You might also need to have your ringing ears checked and see if you should file a claim on said dood. This is exactly why Commercial Liability Insurance exists and why folks should make sure their contractors have it.
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So I think I have the explosion cause pinpointed now. This pool/spa has an old school plumbing set up. The spa is only 1/2” raised from the pool. When it is like that, there is no need to plumb a spa overflow line during construction. A spa overflow is utilized in systems where the attached spa is elevated as there needs to be a mechanical check valve in place on such systems in order from gravity taking over when the pump/waterflow turns off. This is because in those systems, the spa will drain into the pool every night via the plumbing until the 2 connected but separate bodies of water equal a balanced state. This results in water loss out the pool overflow drain. The next day the pump turns on, the spa is filled by pulling water out of the pool, more water is added and water loss and chemical dilution occurs over and over and over againn.
So with this system, water is constantly going through the spa returns. His system also had someone install dual salt cells on it last summer. Salt cells constantly off gas sodium hydrochloride, hydrochlourus acid, and HYDROGEN. The hydrogen gas over time made its way past the spa venturi plumbing and was just sitting in the air blower line waiting for a way to escape. Well, there was no way to escape unless someone new this was happening and they as able to purge the line. Not the case. Me testing the air blower was the first opportunity the hydrogen had and it was via an ignition source.
So yeah, all signs point towards a hydrogen gas explosion that I got to experience yesterday. Ad bad as it was, I am pretty sure it would have been much much worse later. rough ridin' hell man.
But for real, are the homeowners pissed that you blew up their hot tub?
Nah, they are cool. It was either me doing it when I was there or them doing it while they were there with their kids. This property is north of $10mil so they have the money to address it and no for a fact that there is nothing I did that caused this. I was just the unfortunate person there that got to witness it play out.
1. Glad I was not hurt.
2. Anxious to find out why to prevent it from happening again with even possible worse results.
If it wasn't you who did the salt cell thing, you should tell that customer to file a claim against salt cell guy's insurance. Sounds like he mumped up and is lucky he didn't kill a pool full of kids. His insurance should certainly pay for the putting back together of things. You might also need to have your ringing ears checked and see if you should file a claim on said dood. This is exactly why Commercial Liability Insurance exists and why folks should make sure their contractors have it.
Unfortunately it is not that cut and dry. Salt cells are installed on spa only systems all the time that feature venturis and air blower lines. The manufacturer engineers are getting all the pictures and info this evening and are going to start sorting through it all and crunch numbers and see if there is any possible way, including a series of unfortunate failures, that could definitely be pinpointed as the cause of this.
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I'd like to see all pool-related disputes settled via chicken fight.
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I'd like to see all pool-related disputes settled via chicken fight.
Biggest splash contest
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I am also in the sd camp of considering maybe considering a pool at my home. I am also definitely having a completely new fence put in to replace the currently very gross fence. I should probably have the pool put in after the demo of the current fence and before the new fence is erected, right?
who’s your fence guy
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Currently sitting poolside at an indoor hotel pool.its 185 degrees in this mother rough rider and its full of screaming urchins. Thank God for alcohol.
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GE friend Steve Dave needs to hurry up and build that pool so on next year's Omaha excursion I can just bring young Schredsette and her friend over there and they can freeze their asses off in an outdoor pool while I crush brews in comfort.
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Currently sitting poolside at an indoor hotel pool.its 185 degrees in this mother rough rider and its full of screaming urchins. Thank God for alcohol.
The rough ridin' worst
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Fun hotel fact: 95% of hotel pools are absolutely gross and nobody on staff knows how to maintain them properly
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Fun hotel fact: 95% of hotel pools are absolutely gross and nobody on staff knows how to maintain them properly
wild animals have diarrhea in lakes and the oceans and rivers all day every day
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Fun hotel fact: 95% of hotel pools are absolutely gross and nobody on staff knows how to maintain them properly
wild animals have diarrhea in lakes and the oceans and rivers all day every day
Apt comparison
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I believe AST's advice in this situation is to give it the ol' eyeball test and the ol' smell test.
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It's really about 50% have a shitty pool in particular and 95% have super gross pool rooms where the humidity isn't dealt with properly.
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I believe AST's advice in this situation is to give it the ol' eyeball test and the ol' smell test.
Man, you can’t keep blabbing my trade secrets that I tell you in confidence. These nuggets are how I separate myself from the pack!
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So be honest, when you're at the swim up bar do you get out to pee or do you just stay there for 8 hours?
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So be honest, when you're at the swim up bar do you get out to pee or do you just stay there for 8 hours?
The rule is that everyone but me is required to get out of the pool to pee.
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AST p/n 263085 where is/ how do I run my air bleeder on this sumbish
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AST p/n 263085 where is/ how do I run my air bleeder on this sumbish
I don’t actually believe that model has one. Never fear, you can make one. This is for a different filter but you can use some of the parts from this kit to fashion one. Take the pressure gauge off and thread this bad boy in. Only concern is if the brass nipple is long enough to give clearance for the pressure gauge to be mounted on the T. If it is not, I am sure it would not be that hard to track down a double threaded brass nipple that is a little longer. Of course you won’t need the washer and plastic hex piece.
part number 24850-0105
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Brass nipple. Giggity.
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Brass nipple. Giggity.
I knew what your replay was before opening thread. Never change.
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Glad you are alive! that was a fantastic write up. I feel like this could be an overwrought plot line on a crime procedural or like a House crossover episode where the medical situation is somewhat straightforward but the cause is eluding them.
Also— is there anything that you can put in pools to tell if people have peed in the pool?
Also— how bad are pool chemicals for my body? Do you shower immediately after getting out of a pool? Public pools? What is your rule of thumb for a pool being too gross to get in? Cloudy? Film on top? Dead bugs?
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My pool installer said we should shock the pool every week to every other week. If my chlorine levels are always testing where they should, do I still need to shock?
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Today is a travel day. Ill get toyour questions this evening when i get to my destination.
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Today is a travel day. Ill get toyour questions this evening when i get to my destination.
Well me too. Where are you headed? Will I see you in San Juan?
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Today is a travel day. Ill get toyour questions this evening when i get to my destination.
Well me too. Where are you headed? Will I see you in San Juan?
Unless San Juan is a cove or beach on Lake of the Ozarks I doubt I will be seeing you.
In regards to water. Not aware of anything that you can put in the pool to detect urine. But here is a little trick. If you can “smell chlorine,” the chances are that you are “smelling urine.” A perfectly balanced pool will not smell of chlorine. That smell is actually chloramines. Chloramines are produced when chlorine interacts with body waste (sweat, urine, feces). So that smell is generally associated with high bather loads. Don’t use the smell test to see if a pool is safe to swim in.
This combines pretty well with @CNS ‘s question. Shock is used to do 2 things in a pool. First, rapidly raise chlorine level. Good for start ups or after a heavy rain or party when there is no chlorine. Tablets are slow working and take time to raise chlorine levels to adequate. The 2nd reason is to burn off chloramines. Tablets do not raise the chlorine level adequately to free the pool of chloramines. So you need to shock once a week during swim season to keep your pool rid of the chlorine smell from the associated chloramines.
And to summarize. If you are in a pool that you can “smell the chlorine,” absolutely bath at the soonest convenient possibility. As for me, I routinely sub my pool as my bathing means. Like all summer long my routine is to immediately get in my pool after work to knock off the dust and sweat. I have my pool balanced so the pH is perfect for the skin. And it is chloramine free. Higher ph than 8 and you are subject to skin rashes. Lower than 7 and you are at risk of the burning eyes and dry skin. I shower about once a week due to this and am always refreshed.
Yes, I am probably going to be looked at as a caveman of sorts for this approach but I am of an age an mind where I do not care.
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lmao
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I, for one, support your lifestyle choices.
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AST is really pulling all the weight in the Essentially Flyertalk threads.
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Ast do you use soap for your pool bathing sessions?
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Amazing
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Lmao, you guys let big soap and big shampoo convince you that using their chemical products on your skin daily is a good choice. WAKE UP SHEEPLE.
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god i love ast
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Party on ast
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god i love ast
I do too, and I've even met his caveman ass.
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:lol:
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Today is a travel day. Ill get toyour questions this evening when i get to my destination.
Well me too. Where are you headed? Will I see you in San Juan?
Taberna Lúpulo is a great bar in Old San Juan. Good drinks and the bartenders are fun.
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pretty much every pool I frequent has a chlorine smell..... :frown: I wish I hadn't read this.
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pretty much every pool I frequent has a chlorine smell..... :frown: I wish I hadn't read this.
Just BYOShock :dunno:
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Lmao, you guys let big soap and big shampoo convince you that using their chemical products on your skin daily is a good choice. WAKE UP SHEEPLE.
Just asking questions
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https://www.tampabay.com/news/crime/2023/06/26/dunedin-man-fired-30-ar-15-rounds-pool-cleaner-he-thought-was-intruder-sheriff-says/ (https://www.tampabay.com/news/crime/2023/06/26/dunedin-man-fired-30-ar-15-rounds-pool-cleaner-he-thought-was-intruder-sheriff-says/)
be careful out there AST
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a lot to unpack there
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I can't get my photo sizes small enough but the before and after of my pool are so satisfying.
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https://www.tampabay.com/news/crime/2023/06/26/dunedin-man-fired-30-ar-15-rounds-pool-cleaner-he-thought-was-intruder-sheriff-says/ (https://www.tampabay.com/news/crime/2023/06/26/dunedin-man-fired-30-ar-15-rounds-pool-cleaner-he-thought-was-intruder-sheriff-says/)
be careful out there AST
I've never had a pool but when I've stayed at Airbnb's with pools it's always jarring when the random pool guy shows up at a random time. So I kind of get where this guy is coming from
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“This is one of those situations we call lawful but awful.”
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https://www.tampabay.com/news/crime/2023/06/26/dunedin-man-fired-30-ar-15-rounds-pool-cleaner-he-thought-was-intruder-sheriff-says/ (https://www.tampabay.com/news/crime/2023/06/26/dunedin-man-fired-30-ar-15-rounds-pool-cleaner-he-thought-was-intruder-sheriff-says/)
be careful out there AST
I've never had a pool but when I've stayed at Airbnb's with pools it's always jarring when the random pool guy shows up at a random time. So I kind of get where this guy is coming from
yeah, that would be weird, but not as weird as seeing someone in your backyard and your first instinct is to start blasting. These people are rough ridin' bonkers.
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https://www.tampabay.com/news/crime/2023/06/26/dunedin-man-fired-30-ar-15-rounds-pool-cleaner-he-thought-was-intruder-sheriff-says/ (https://www.tampabay.com/news/crime/2023/06/26/dunedin-man-fired-30-ar-15-rounds-pool-cleaner-he-thought-was-intruder-sheriff-says/)
be careful out there AST
I've never had a pool but when I've stayed at Airbnb's with pools it's always jarring when the random pool guy shows up at a random time. So I kind of get where this guy is coming from
yeah, that would be weird, but not as weird as seeing someone in your backyard and your first instinct is to start blasting. These people are rough ridin' bonkers.
The real bonkers ones are the ones who get the gun when someone noses into their drive and is backing back out.
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https://www.tampabay.com/news/crime/2023/06/26/dunedin-man-fired-30-ar-15-rounds-pool-cleaner-he-thought-was-intruder-sheriff-says/ (https://www.tampabay.com/news/crime/2023/06/26/dunedin-man-fired-30-ar-15-rounds-pool-cleaner-he-thought-was-intruder-sheriff-says/)
be careful out there AST
I've never had a pool but when I've stayed at Airbnb's with pools it's always jarring when the random pool guy shows up at a random time. So I kind of get where this guy is coming from
yeah, that would be weird, but not as weird as seeing someone in your backyard and your first instinct is to start blasting. These people are rough ridin' bonkers.
The real bonkers ones are the ones who get the gun when someone noses into their drive and is backing back out.
Just saw one of those this past week. Kids turned around in a driveway and the lunatic followed them down the street and held them at gunpoint for a while. Its a crazy ass world out there. Its very sad that there are so many people out there scared of their own shadows and/or just plain angry as eff that do crap like this.
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Do we already have a "More evidence this country has gone to crap" thread?
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https://www.tampabay.com/news/crime/2023/06/26/dunedin-man-fired-30-ar-15-rounds-pool-cleaner-he-thought-was-intruder-sheriff-says/ (https://www.tampabay.com/news/crime/2023/06/26/dunedin-man-fired-30-ar-15-rounds-pool-cleaner-he-thought-was-intruder-sheriff-says/)
be careful out there AST
I've never had a pool but when I've stayed at Airbnb's with pools it's always jarring when the random pool guy shows up at a random time. So I kind of get where this guy is coming from
yeah, that would be weird, but not as weird as seeing someone in your backyard and your first instinct is to start blasting. These people are rough ridin' bonkers.
True story our neighbor posted on a neighborhood message board (can’t remember if it was FB or NextDoor) about a suspicious guy in a red shirt and straw hat was peeking over their fence and luckily she was able to get him to leave when she screamed.
Someone responded, “that’s the power guy double checking your meter.”
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I have only had a gun pointed at me 2 times in 20 years in a yard. Once by a cop and once by a homeowner. I never returned to either property and told my boss at the time to send someone else or pound sand.
I do have companies quite frequently ask me why a job is not done yet and I asked them why their customer has not returned my call to schedule yet and they say the visit is approved just go dk it and I have to remind them that I never go into a yard until I personally speak with the customer for reasons such as this.
People have gone crazy about what is considered a shootable offense by the homeowner and unfortunately I think our current judicial system support it.
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Today at work someone unintentionally blew themselves up after mixing some pool chemicals incorrectly. This settled the debate w my wife about getting a pool.
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Your work has a pool?
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Today at work someone unintentionally blew themselves up after mixing some pool chemicals incorrectly. This settled the debate w my wife about getting a pool.
Did he die from it?
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Today at work someone unintentionally blew themselves up after mixing some pool chemicals incorrectly. This settled the debate w my wife about getting a pool.
Did he die from it?
Do not think he will die. Pretty severe injuries though.
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Your work has a pool?
Hmm no. Someone called 911 after they saw their neighbor get exploded.
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Upon further review, we are no longer going to install a swimming pool. We are going to divert those funds to buying a lake house instead.
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Bueno
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Upon further review, we are no longer going to install a swimming pool. We are going to divert those funds to buying a lake house instead.
Smart. Now don’t do the dumb thing and get something on the same latitude. Go north my man. Great Lakes region.
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Even smarter would be to take the down payment cash and go to a different Airbnb every summer. Try different latitudes! Go to the ocean some years!
Of course, I'm lazy and a lake house seems like an enormous anchor/pain in the ass.
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Upon further review, we are no longer going to install a swimming pool. We are going to divert those funds to buying a lake house instead.
Smart. Now don’t do the dumb thing and get something on the same latitude. Go north my man. Great Lakes region.
We have some friends who live about a mile north of Green Lake so we will definitely make that trip. I need something that is a two to three hour drive away to make it worthwhile owning. Maybe once I retire, we will find something in the north for the summer and the south for the winter.
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AST,
What are your thoughts on Hayward's Expertline Line of pool equipment?
We have yet to finalize the design or determine if we are going the salt or chlorine route. Any input on that is welcome. Fully aware the pool is a money pit and we aren't getting a return on our investment when we sell this house, but it's too damn hot in Texas to not have a pool.
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Even smarter would be to take the down payment cash and go to a different Airbnb every summer. Try different latitudes! Go to the ocean some years!
Of course, I'm lazy and a lake house seems like an enormous anchor/pain in the ass.
My wife basically talked me into this option. We decided we’re only going to buy a “vacation” property if we’d live in it at least 3 months out of the year. Otherwise it’s a heck of a burden that ties you down to a travel destination for the handful of trips you’d take there every year.
Unless you’re doing it for cash flow purposes in which case it’s really more of an investment property than vacation.
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Even smarter would be to take the down payment cash and go to a different Airbnb every summer. Try different latitudes! Go to the ocean some years!
Of course, I'm lazy and a lake house seems like an enormous anchor/pain in the ass.
My dad was going to buy a cabin in Colorado before prices exploded. This is my parents’ plan now.
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The couple that opened and closed my pool broke up. The lady did all the scheduling and the guy did all the field work. The lady is no longer in pools at all, still has the old company cell phone, won’t share their prebooked appointments with the guy(still trying to run that biz), and won’t give out his phone number.
We scheduled an Oct 15 close date back in may. Now, I am looking at other options.
On a scale of Will Howard to Avery Johnson, how much success should I expect if I try to close my own pool?
In ground
In Kansas
Vinyl liner.
Anyone have a good feel for this?
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@AST get in here, it's time to shine.
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We don’t winterize pools in Dallas like happens up north so I am of no use. Pools stay full and running year round here and the only time winterization happens is if you lose power during a winter storm and then it is just about draining the equipment of water so it does not freeze. Pool stays full though.
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The couple that opened and closed my pool broke up. The lady did all the scheduling and the guy did all the field work. The lady is no longer in pools at all, still has the old company cell phone, won’t share their prebooked appointments with the guy(still trying to run that biz), and won’t give out his phone number.
We scheduled an Oct 15 close date back in may. Now, I am looking at other options.
On a scale of Will Howard to Avery Johnson, how much success should I expect if I try to close my own pool?
In ground
In Kansas
Vinyl liner.
Anyone have a good feel for this?
Google that crap and get it done.
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Can we make this the official Hottub thread too?
@AST I also recently bought a Jacuzzi Hottub. It’s a two year old refurbished spa. It’s condition looks basically new.
I have had it less than 2 weeks. We filled it up about 10days ago and our PH is constantly super high. We keep putting PH decrease in it and it goes down after several applications, and next day it’s back to super high.
Meanwhile, we have never had a high PH issue with the pool, so I don’t think it’s our water.
We haven’t used it more than 40min at a time, only two of us, clean suits, showered before hand, no lotions or things that the sites on the internet have mentioned as being a common problem driving high PH.
Do you think it is possible that the dealer who refurbished it has some sort of winterizer, or other chem, that was part of the refurbishing process that we are fighting?
I am thinking I will drain it and start over. Any recommendations?
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CNS and I must live in almost the same house. My hot tub is built into the ground of the 4 seasons room. Probably a lot of sweaty 80s sex in that thing
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CNS and I must live in almost the same house. My hot tub is built into the ground of the 4 seasons room. Probably a lot of sweaty 80s sex in that thing
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How’s your PH, yla ?
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You guys. I do not know how many times I have to say this. My specialty is pool equipment.
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Thread name change request: Official Pool Equipment Thread.
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Thread name change request: Official Pool Equipment Thread.
Denied.
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ast (other comments also welcome).
i hate my pool. despise it. would kill it if i could. but we're probably going to sell the house soon. also the pool is in bad shape. should i:
1. break a hole in the bottom, fill it with soil and have a nice backyard planting spot with a concrete path around it.
2. pay someone to replaster the stupid thing so i don't hurt the resale value.
3. pay someone to completely demo it and turn it into a normal backyard so i don't hurt the resale value.
4. just leave it alone and let the next owner deal with it.
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CNS and I must live in almost the same house. My hot tub is built into the ground of the 4 seasons room. Probably a lot of sweaty 80s sex in that thing
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How’s your PH, yla ?
You have a well too, correct?
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Rural County water district, bro.
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ast (other comments also welcome).
i hate my pool. despise it. would kill it if i could. but we're probably going to sell the house soon. also the pool is in bad shape. should i:
1. break a hole in the bottom, fill it with soil and have a nice backyard planting spot with a concrete path around it.
2. pay someone to replaster the stupid thing so i don't hurt the resale value.
3. pay someone to completely demo it and turn it into a normal backyard so i don't hurt the resale value.
4. just leave it alone and let the next owner deal with it.
Snowbrag ranking of these options:
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4
gap
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3
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ast (other comments also welcome).
i hate my pool. despise it. would kill it if i could. but we're probably going to sell the house soon. also the pool is in bad shape. should i:
1. break a hole in the bottom, fill it with soil and have a nice backyard planting spot with a concrete path around it.
2. pay someone to replaster the stupid thing so i don't hurt the resale value.
3. pay someone to completely demo it and turn it into a normal backyard so i don't hurt the resale value.
4. just leave it alone and let the next owner deal with it.
Best option imo is letting next owner address it.
If not that then Re plaster.
Completely demoing is pretty expensive.
Busting holes in it may be an option, you might want to check with local ordinances.
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Can we make this the official Hottub thread too?
@AST I also recently bought a Jacuzzi Hottub. It’s a two year old refurbished spa. It’s condition looks basically new.
I have had it less than 2 weeks. We filled it up about 10days ago and our PH is constantly super high. We keep putting PH decrease in it and it goes down after several applications, and next day it’s back to super high.
Meanwhile, we have never had a high PH issue with the pool, so I don’t think it’s our water.
We haven’t used it more than 40min at a time, only two of us, clean suits, showered before hand, no lotions or things that the sites on the internet have mentioned as being a common problem driving high PH.
Do you think it is possible that the dealer who refurbished it has some sort of winterizer, or other chem, that was part of the refurbishing process that we are fighting?
I am thinking I will drain it and start over. Any recommendations?
Is your pool also fiberglass shell? Mind you, I do not see fiberglass structures often but something in the back of my brain says that high ph is common with fiberglass shells. Maybe not though.
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The pool is a vinyl liner and thankfully we don’t have the same PH issue as we are having with the Hottub.
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Rural County water district, bro.
Not both? What a dork.
I’d take a sample of your water to your pool place and they will tell you what you need to do/buy. Whether you buy it from the overpriced pool place is your call.
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I feel like I need to dig a well.
My pool guy is in Lee’s Summit. My pool would have to be on fire for me to go there outside of work.
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we just had the jacuzzi dealer in kc send someone out. the company is named recreational wholesale
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Recreational Wholesale sounds like a diff kind of dealer
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:lol:
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Best option imo is letting next owner address it.
this has the important advantage of me not having to do anything, or really even having to make a decision.
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Sys, have you always hated your pool?
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Sys, have you always hated your pool?
mixed at first, but the hate part has grown and the appreciation part has shrunk over time.
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It's about that time, guys! It's like 88 here today and I'm thinking about heading out to the ole pool and start getting that beach bod tan going for this year.