Post by: EMAWzifried on December 31, 2022, 08:50:04 PM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on December 31, 2022, 09:15:35 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on January 01, 2023, 08:06:22 AM
Now that Tang has the kinks worked out, there is a very real chance that this team never loses again.Cash it!
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Post by: EMAWzifried on January 03, 2023, 11:57:43 PM
Post by: EMAWzifried on January 04, 2023, 12:42:00 AM
Post by: CNS on January 04, 2023, 07:01:23 AM
Quote
Tang, a former Baylor assistant who won a national championship with the Bears in 2021, earned a signature win for his program against the Longhorns. With a 13-1 record, he is just one win from matching last season's 14-win total.
Espn
Post by: WildcatNkilt on January 04, 2023, 11:17:15 AM
QuoteTang, a former Baylor assistant who won a national championship with the Bears in 2021, earned a signature win for his program against the Longhorns. With a 13-1 record, he is just one win from matching last season's 14-win total.
Espn
I read this last night and had to double take on our record from last year. Sure enough, we only won 14 games.
Post by: mocat on January 04, 2023, 11:38:43 AM
Post by: mocat on January 04, 2023, 11:40:03 AM
that is insane. did we play a super hard noncon or what
kenpom says last year our noncon SOS was ranked #282 lmfao
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on January 04, 2023, 11:40:25 AM
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1610672910024466432?s=20&t=n_UQCv0GiulNX2qoAWKpDQ
Post by: wetwillie on January 04, 2023, 11:45:04 AM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 04, 2023, 11:47:44 AM
that is insane. did we play a super hard noncon or what
kenpom says last year our noncon SOS was ranked #282 lmfao
Fort Hays State was like, really really good.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 04, 2023, 12:10:08 PM
that is insane. did we play a super hard noncon or what
kenpom says last year our noncon SOS was ranked #282 lmfao
Fort Hays State was like, really really good.
What's wild is they don't even count in that number.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 04, 2023, 01:07:45 PM
Post by: mocat on January 04, 2023, 01:23:59 PM
Post by: wetwillie on January 04, 2023, 01:53:06 PM
Post by: Kelsey_Grammar on January 04, 2023, 01:57:08 PM
The north Florida game got cancelled last year and I don’t think they ever ended up making up so they played one less non con game.
One fewer ...
Post by: kim carnes on January 04, 2023, 04:46:21 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 04, 2023, 04:58:41 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on January 04, 2023, 06:29:44 PM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on January 04, 2023, 07:43:13 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 04, 2023, 08:52:46 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 04, 2023, 11:21:37 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 04, 2023, 11:56:37 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 05, 2023, 08:27:45 AM
I don't want to see any of you motherfuckers losing your crap when we lose 3 out of 4 at some point this year.
Two people will.
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on January 05, 2023, 08:50:38 AM
No they won't. Those two people tried to tell the rest to chill the past 10 years. They're level headed and we're ahead of schedule with coach Tang. Nice try.I don't want to see any of you motherfuckers losing your crap when we lose 3 out of 4 at some point this year.
Two people will.
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on January 05, 2023, 08:53:01 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 05, 2023, 12:19:42 PM
No they won't. Those two people tried to tell the rest to chill the past 10 years. They're level headed and we're ahead of schedule with coach Tang. Nice try.I don't want to see any of you motherfuckers losing your crap when we lose 3 out of 4 at some point this year.
Two people will.
He's not even talking about you and stunted, lol. He's taking about 'zif and apathy. You and stunted are breaking your arms trying to pat yourselves on the back, "tried to tell the rest to chill," lol. As I've pointed out 15 times, the like 5 posters who were never Brucers haven't posted consistently on the basketball board for years, and still don't. You potatoes are trolling people who supported the basketball program and never stopped watching games.
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on January 05, 2023, 01:21:05 PM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on January 06, 2023, 07:15:00 AM
Post by: OK_Cat on January 06, 2023, 10:16:12 AM
I’m #TangGang for life, he is an A+ man.
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Post by: DreamWeaver69 on January 06, 2023, 10:31:52 AM
Post by: Pete on January 06, 2023, 01:25:08 PM
I experienced some personal tragedy yesterday, and part of my grieving involved a tweet tagging Coach Tang. I’ll leave what he said between us, but he sent me a private message that brought way more comfort than I was expecting.go cats, fear the beard
I’m #TangGang for life, he is an A+ man.
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Post by: DreamWeaver69 on January 06, 2023, 01:56:41 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on January 06, 2023, 02:17:40 PM
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1611429398313304066
Post by: Spracne on January 06, 2023, 02:21:30 PM
Post by: wetwillie on January 06, 2023, 02:24:13 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on January 06, 2023, 03:17:59 PM
I love Tang but if the best they can do is a dude who hasn’t even completed a season as a HC yet then they are in big trouble.
On the other hand, Tang averages 116 per game in Austin.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 06, 2023, 03:39:01 PM
I love Tang but if the best they can do is a dude who hasn’t even completed a season as a HC yet then they are in big trouble.
On the other hand, Tang averages 116 per game in Austin.
Guys it’s called THURSDAY HOWEVERS not FRIDAY HOWEVERS that doesn’t even make any sense :confused: figure out how to read a calendar (Gregorian)
Post by: MakeItRain on January 06, 2023, 03:53:39 PM
I love Tang but if the best they can do is a dude who hasn’t even completed a season as a HC yet then they are in big trouble.
And you have to think, that despite what happend on Tuesday, that UT will have a better season than us. It's going to be real hard to justify Tang over even Terry.
Post by: EMAWzifried on January 06, 2023, 04:03:06 PM
What the heck, the Longhorn Network tried to sneak this NBA game by us! No seriously, 116-103 are you kidding me?! In the Big 12????!!!!! I know I just put out a post on Tuesday but there is NO FREAKIN WAY I can pass this up. So let's dive in and detail how in the world Kansas State poured it on a typically vaunted Texas defense.
Transition Offense
If you want to know why this game was such a high scoring affair, it's because Kansas State came out looking like the embodiment of this. Unlike the Scuderia, the slow button was most definitely left off for the Wildcats. This matchup featured a whopping 82 possessions in 40 minutes of basketball, the highest mark both Kansas State & Texas have tallied through the first half of the season in either regulation or overtime. The Wildcats set the tone early, looking to get out and run regardless of the situation. Here we are just over a minute into the 1st half and while this isn't quite a transition possession, it does show how much KSU was willing to push the ball in all situations including after made Texas baskets. Notice how head coach Jerome Tang has his guys run this early double staggered ball screen, he empties the side of the floor with the roll & pop so there isn't anyone in the corner to help in the paint & tag the roll man. Coach Tang & his staff did a good job recognizing that Texas likes to leave Dylan Disu at the level of ball screens. UT freshman Dillon Mitchell gets sucked in by the pop, leaving the roll man with acres of space to slip to the basket for a layup.
Kansas State did a great job of quickly flooding up court, filling lanes, and catching multiple Texas players behind the ball. Their bigs were phenomenal at sprinting up the floor and beating Longhorn bigs to the basket. Their effort and rim running were massive components in Kansas State successfully implementing their fast break game. KSU was also able to take advantage of some mediocre transition defense. There were a number of times where they caught Texas ball-watching, not communicating properly, and/or not picking up the ball. This transition possession was particularly woeful for the Longhorns. KSU corrals the rebound and quickly trigger the break. Marcus Carr is the farthest player back for Texas, but instead of taking a Tykei Greene that is streaking down the center of the court, he takes a Markquis Nowell that stays behind the ball for the entire break. That forces Dillon Mitchell to take the ball with his back to the ball instead of being able to peel off to Nowell, and Timmy Allen to wildly closeout to the break of the 3pt arc all the way from the timeline instead of taking the ball. That allows Keyontae Johnson to freely catch the ball at the arc with a full head of steam to find Greene wide open under the hoop when Mitchell needlessly steps up in the paint. It's hard to play any sort of effective transition defense when three players take the wrong man. This clip was the absolute worst of it. It all kicks off when Marcus Carr jacks up a low-quality contested 3 very early in the shot clock. The rebound quickly finds the hands of Nowell and he knows he has room to work. Carr wasn't the only Longhorn who did this, but he picks up the ball way way WAY too low below the 3pt line. Look at where Marcus' feet are when Markquis starts to shoot, he's barely above the elbow! That simply cannot happen against guys like Johnson & Nowell but I saw it too often from the Texas players.
Kansas State also looked to use their pace to take advantage of cross matches when a Texas big would be switched onto a KSU guard. Coach Tang wanted his guys to hunt the Longhorn bigs in space and in the halfcourt all night, and that philosophy carried over to their quick game too. Anytime they saw a Texas big on a Kansas State small, the Wildcats would scrap any sets or early offense they were going to run and just spread the floor and let that guard go to work.
Halfcourt Offense
Earlier when I said this was an NBA game, I didn't just mean in terms of scoring. Kansas State's offensive playstyle was quite similar to something you'd see at the next level. You've probably already noticed KSU's pace & space attitude towards this game in the transition section of this post, but Jerome Tang took a modern approach to his halfcourt offense as well. Like I said earlier, Kansas State made it their mission to hunt the Texas bigs and force them to guard in space. Disu, Allen, Bishop, & Cunningham were all targets for the Wildcats. Anyone on Kansas State could attack those players, but they specifically made an attempt to get Nowell or Johnson on those bigs. Kansas State's favorite action was to just spread the floor out and run a high ball screen. They were good when they kept things simple and let their gravity get open shots for them. It wasn't that hard to tell how uncomfortable Texas was playing against this kind of opponent, their rotations and closeouts lacked any sort of cohesion or structure. Even on solid closeouts, KSU knew exactly what to expect from them and to immediately attack the open hip. The Longhorn defenders just seemed out of sorts against the spread attack, as they got picked apart for trying to put out a 5-alarm fire after every pass & drive. I mean just look at this PnR. Nowell rejecting the screen causes all sorts of havoc. I'm just not sure what everyone's job is supposed to be on the Longhorns? Cunningham chases the ball like he's going for a chase down block instead of checking the roller or sinking to take away the opposite dunker's spot, but Allen steps over from the dunker's spot to cut off the drive (leaving the dump off open), and Dillon Mitchell just kind of........................stands there taking away nothing before fouling Keyontae Johnson on an And-1. That wasn't the only time KSU made lemonade from rejecting a ball screen. Here is a great example of moving shooters to grab the attention of help defenders and open up the floor for driving lanes. Coach Tang has an excellent understanding of how to space the floor, keep defenders out of the paint, and make defenses pay for the tiniest lapses in detail.
Jerome Tang is paying early dividends as the boss of the bench in Manhattan, as seen by how well his Kansas State players are able to improvise when things break down initially while also making sure the offense as a whole stays in rhythm. Let me show you an example: This play is supposed to start out with a catch for Keyontae Johnson on the left wing coming off a pindown. Timmy Allen does well to deny the ball and blow up the entry, but KSU doesn't panic and instead gets creative. Johnson flips into an empty-side ball screen and Nowell does very well to pick up what Keyontae is putting down. The former Florida Gator picks off two defenders with one screen, and Nowell is able to let a wide open off-the-bounce 3 fly. Here again, Texas blows up the primary backdoor action but Kansas State just flows into more offense. Desi Sills cuts through to keep the floor spread, and now Kansas State has an empty-side inside ball screen against one of their targets (Bishop). Texas gets their wires crossed in how they want to play the screen (Bishop drops like it's ICE coverage but Hunter doesn't jump to the inside hip) and a beautiful pocket pass leads to an Abayomi Iyiola layup.
Late in the game, Coach Tang cranked the pro stuff up a notch by directly hunting Teddy Allen. He bet that Allen didn't have the foot speed to keep up with his guards and he was correct. First with 6 minutes left, KSU comes out in a HORNS look to get as much traffic out of the paint as possible. The first screen gets Brock Cunningham on him to get the Longhorns' lone big out on the perimeter (UT is running a Hunter-Carr-Rice-Allen-Cunningham 5) and the second screen gets Brock switched onto Keyontae to ensure that the Austin, TX native stays out of the key. With the matchup they want and Texas' rim protection displaced, Nowell is free to dance with Allen as he hits Timmy with a lightning fast in-n-out dribble before slashing to the rack for a layup over the 6' Tyrese Hunter (see how important it was to set it up so they got the big out of the paint?). Fast forwarding a bit to where there's 3 and a half minutes to play, and KSU goes to hunt Allen again. Timmy's man sets a high ball screen to get him switched out onto Nowell yet again and we see another instance of Kansas State pulling Cunningham out of the paint as Texas' lone big. The 6'10 Nae'Qwan Tomlin lifts to the wing (he's hit 10 threes on the year and had hit one earlier in the game) and that pulls Brock away from the hoop. Nowell doesn't stress even with the shot clock winding down and he blows by Allen to the right again, this time with a hesitation move that freezes Timmy in his tracks. Hunter becomes the primary rim protector, again, and can do nothing but foul Markquis as the KSU PG would eventually knock down both shots at the charity stripe. This was an absolute showcase of late game play calling and execution.
Really, nothing summed up Kansas State's halfcourt experience more than this sequence early in the second half. KSU goes with a double staggered ball screen at the top of the arc with shooters in the corners. Nowell comes off it so UT has to respect the pull up threat, Disu shows at the level, Mitchell leaves Tomlin to tag the roll, Allen is just chilling in the corner afraid to come off Johnson when he needs to split the difference, and Carr just saunters over to Markquis without shrinking the passing window. All this leads to a wide open three for Tomlin on the pop and the Wildcats extend their double-digit advantage. Next time down, Kansas State runs LITERALLY THE EXACT SAME PLAY...except this time Jerome Tang has Keyontae set the first stagger so he's the player who pops to the arc. Allen & Carr switch the first screen so the point of attack defender isn't as behind the ball as last time, and Disu still plays it at the level. Carr prevents the pop to Johnson at the opposite wing, but the problem is that Mitchell doesn't tag the roll and come off of Tomlin in the opposite corner because Nae'Qwan literally just made an open 3-pointer. Dillon the roll too late, and it turns into a layup for Iyiola. Kansas State's spacing completely confounded the Texas defense into submission.
Conclusion
We could be looking back at this game as the key turning point in both Texas' & Kansas State's seasons. The Longhorns barely escaped Norman with a 1pt victory and just got boat raced by Kansas State. Even though those are both good teams, they aren't exactly the Big 12's cream of the crop either. The rest of their schedule is conference opponents and a date @ Tennessee. That's the best conference in the nation and a trip away to the best defense in the nation. Oh, and Texas also just officially fired the guy who started the season as their head coach. We'll see if Rodney Terry can steady the ship but giving up 116 points at home to the team projected to finish last in the league isn't exactly endearing. There's a part of me that can understand if a Texas fan thought their team was just a bunch of mercenaries after watching this game. Neither KSU nor UT have homegrown rosters or coaches, but only one team seemed halfway interested in playing for the front of their jersey on Tuesday night. Either this will be the moment that Texas retreats into a shell and limps into a Round of 64 exit, or they rally around each other and get back to that Final Four potential by playing so hard that this game seems like a bad acid trip. I'm intrigued to see which outcome we'll see.
For Kansas State, they put the rest of the conference on notice. Yes, they need clean up plenty of things on the defensive side of the ball (they got back cut to death in this game) but the offense is legit. Markquis Nowell is a walking playmaker and Keyontae Johnson is one of the most explosive primary options in the country. Most of all, they have a coach who knows exactly how to highlight their strengths and use them to manipulate defenses. Coach Tang knew that he could get Texas in trouble by involving unwilling switchers like Allen, Mitchell, Cunningham etc. and it worked to perfection. Cam Carter was also fantastic on the offensive end with a season-high 17 points and the ability to score at different levels, and Nae'Qwan Tomlin will be a nightmare at 6'10 if the shooting really comes along consistently. It still remains to be seen if they have enough to challenge their in-state rival at the top of the Big 12, but Kansas State should have the confidence & belief that they can beat anyone. Jerome Tang, Markquis Nowell, Keyontae Johnson, and the rest of that team are doing big things in Kansas State and have gotten off to about as perfect of a start as possible in Manhattan.
What did you think of Kansas State vs Texas? Will either team survive in this grueling conference that has produced the last two national champions? Will the Big 12 be a 10 bid league? Let me know in the comments and thank you for reading!
Post by: wetwillie on January 06, 2023, 04:12:30 PM
I love Tang but if the best they can do is a dude who hasn’t even completed a season as a HC yet then they are in big trouble.
And you have to think, that despite what happend on Tuesday, that UT will have a better season than us. It's going to be real hard to justify Tang over even Terry.
Especially when they can just go get guys like Musselmam or Oats if the interim trial with Terry doesn’t work out.
Post by: cfbandyman on January 06, 2023, 05:03:32 PM
Post by: Pete on January 06, 2023, 07:43:41 PM
Post by: Pete on January 06, 2023, 07:46:01 PM
OTOH, Jeff Goodman is a moron whose eyes are too close together.Easy to sneak up on him since he has almost zero peripheral vision. I need to remember to watch for him on press row…I bet he’s constantly turning his head back and forth to watch for predators.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 06, 2023, 08:12:12 PM
If I were Texas, I’d absolutely have Tang on my short list. Would be crazy not to.
Short list? Texas? I wouldn't, not without getting some real high profile no's first. They should and probably will have some final four and national championship coaches on their short list.
Post by: catastrophe on January 06, 2023, 08:34:05 PM
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Post by: wiley on January 07, 2023, 06:34:20 PM
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Post by: DreamWeaver69 on January 07, 2023, 07:54:27 PM
Post by: wetwillie on January 07, 2023, 07:58:59 PM
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on January 07, 2023, 08:09:59 PM
#11 is pretty dreamy tooHe’s just so effortless,I ignore his greatness, smoothest thing we’ve seen since Beasley.
Post by: nicname on January 07, 2023, 08:12:10 PM
This is the most entertaining team I’ve seen, EVER, in a K-State uni and it’s not even close. Tang letting Nowell cook is what our souls needed all along.
It’s true.
Post by: stunted on January 08, 2023, 12:28:09 AM
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on January 08, 2023, 10:37:56 AM
Post by: EMAWzifried on January 08, 2023, 02:27:53 PM
This is the most entertaining team I’ve seen, EVER, in a K-State uni and it’s not even close. Tang letting Nowell cook is what our souls needed all along.
It’s true.
I'm sure this is true of recruits, as well. I can only imagine the high-quality portal transfers who will be eager to play for Tang to showcase their skills in his NBA offense. I wonder who the dudes are who will blossom under Tang's tutelage to become even bigger names next year to lead us to another improbable year?
Post by: EMAWzifried on January 08, 2023, 06:01:59 PM
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on January 08, 2023, 07:00:35 PM
This has to be the worst nightmare for the forever Oscar bois like those above. They hoped to spend the season saying "I told you so," only to have Tang make them look like fools. So Oscar bois are moving the goalposts and saying "wait til next year." What dorky losers they are.None of this is happening. We’re all excited. I’ll be there Tuesday. Great coping tho!
Post by: EMAWzifried on January 08, 2023, 07:15:23 PM
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on January 08, 2023, 07:22:38 PM
Post by: EMAWzifried on January 08, 2023, 07:25:11 PM
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on January 08, 2023, 07:34:42 PM
Post by: Spracne on January 08, 2023, 07:36:33 PM
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on January 08, 2023, 07:38:16 PM
Wacky trying to make fun of other people's drinking problems is top shelf material.You really running around and following me today? :love:
Post by: Spracne on January 08, 2023, 07:40:41 PM
Hard to not follow you around when you're all over the broad (THAT'S THE JOKE).
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on January 08, 2023, 07:44:34 PM
Post by: Spracne on January 08, 2023, 07:45:33 PM
You’re so weird, bro. Seriously tho, weirdo $!#* bag.
Strong "I'm not mad, you're mad" vibes.
Post by: EMAWzifried on January 08, 2023, 07:46:30 PM
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on January 08, 2023, 07:49:39 PM
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on January 08, 2023, 08:01:27 PM
This has to be the worst nightmare for the forever Oscar bois like those above. They hoped to spend the season saying "I told you so," only to have Tang make them look like fools. So Oscar bois are moving the goalposts and saying "wait til next year." What dorky losers they are.You literally spent 10 years to sell this made up take and we’re still rooting for the uni, hard! God speed!
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on January 08, 2023, 08:04:28 PM
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Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 08, 2023, 08:16:02 PM
Post by: EMAWzifried on January 08, 2023, 09:44:31 PM
Give it a rest Oscar boi. Did the hard truth of that post noting your forever Oscar love and related Tang envy smack you so hard that you were compelled to reply twice? Back away. You're polluting the board.This has to be the worst nightmare for the forever Oscar bois like those above. They hoped to spend the season saying "I told you so," only to have Tang make them look like fools. So Oscar bois are moving the goalposts and saying "wait til next year." What dorky losers they are.You literally spent 10 years to sell this made up take and we’re still rooting for the uni, hard! God speed!
Post by: michigancat on January 11, 2023, 01:00:39 PM
https://twitter.com/DerekYoungKSO/status/1613242979082199054
Post by: ChiComCat on January 11, 2023, 01:08:36 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 11, 2023, 01:43:49 PM
I enjoyed this
https://twitter.com/DerekYoungKSO/status/1613242979082199054
Yeah, I don't think it was the run though, they were all very animated with the referees going into the timeout before that. I thought he was telling them to stop chirping and let him do it.
Post by: mocat on January 11, 2023, 02:57:29 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on January 11, 2023, 03:00:42 PM
:)I enjoyed this
https://twitter.com/DerekYoungKSO/status/1613242979082199054
Yeah, I don't think it was the run though, they were all very animated with the referees going into the timeout before that. I thought he was telling them to stop chirping and let him do it.
yeah would be nice to know what this was about
Post by: schreds21 on January 11, 2023, 03:41:24 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on January 11, 2023, 04:10:59 PM
I just hope that when they build the statue of him next to Ernie Barrett, they use a likeness of him doing the Wabash.
They should do a cheaper version of it now and have it in the concourse like they do the bobbleheads. I'd imagine a decent amount of fans would love posting a pic doing the wabash with Tang.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 11, 2023, 04:14:40 PM
I just hope that when they build the statue of him next to Ernie Barrett, they use a likeness of him doing the Wabash.
They should do a cheaper version of it now and have it in the concourse like they do the bobbleheads. I'd imagine a decent amount of fans would love posting a pic doing the wabash with Tang.
That’s why you’re our idea guy. They should definitely do this.
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on January 11, 2023, 04:22:29 PM
I just hope that when they build the statue of him next to Ernie Barrett, they use a likeness of him doing the Wabash.Speaking of Ernie, I saw him at the Shamrock last night, sucking down a double Jack and Coke. Still kicking ass at 93.
Post by: EMAWzifried on January 11, 2023, 04:25:56 PM
Post by: LesterFreamon on January 11, 2023, 05:24:15 PM
I just hope that when they build the statue of him next to Ernie Barrett, they use a likeness of him doing the Wabash.Speaking of Ernie, I saw him at the Shamrock last night, sucking down a double Jack and Coke. Still kicking ass at 93.
I gotta get me one of them handshakes
Post by: michigancat on January 11, 2023, 09:53:50 PM
They should also do a wabashing Tang bobblehead giveawayI just hope that when they build the statue of him next to Ernie Barrett, they use a likeness of him doing the Wabash.
They should do a cheaper version of it now and have it in the concourse like they do the bobbleheads. I'd imagine a decent amount of fans would love posting a pic doing the wabash with Tang.
Post by: kim carnes on January 14, 2023, 03:18:22 PM
Post by: michigancat on January 14, 2023, 03:20:02 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 14, 2023, 03:27:08 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 14, 2023, 04:10:56 PM
Post by: nicname on January 17, 2023, 10:41:56 PM
LOCK HIM UP!
Post by: michigancat on January 18, 2023, 12:53:13 PM
:)I enjoyed this
https://twitter.com/DerekYoungKSO/status/1613242979082199054
Yeah, I don't think it was the run though, they were all very animated with the referees going into the timeout before that. I thought he was telling them to stop chirping and let him do it.
yeah would be nice to know what this was about
not sure if you caught it during the game but Fran said he didn't think the coaches looked like they were expressing joy and he told them to "fix your faces" which IMO is pretty great
Post by: MakeItRain on January 18, 2023, 02:26:17 PM
:)I enjoyed this
https://twitter.com/DerekYoungKSO/status/1613242979082199054
Yeah, I don't think it was the run though, they were all very animated with the referees going into the timeout before that. I thought he was telling them to stop chirping and let him do it.
yeah would be nice to know what this was about
not sure if you caught it during the game but Fran said he didn't think the coaches looked like they were expressing joy and he told them to "fix your faces" which IMO is pretty great
Yeah, that story was awesome.
Post by: asava on January 19, 2023, 03:35:51 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 19, 2023, 04:01:05 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 19, 2023, 04:27:25 PM
Post by: asava on January 19, 2023, 05:32:18 PM
On another note, it's really nice to have a coach that someone wants to hire away from us.
Post by: ben ji on January 19, 2023, 06:31:41 PM
Who should be our coach next year, guys?
Jerome Tang
Post by: Katpappy on January 19, 2023, 09:06:47 PM
.https://twitter.com/MarchMadnessMBB/status/1615545315947577345?s=20&t=OEy0C6gsKYGKUd5divMT2A
Post by: asava on January 20, 2023, 03:07:59 PM
Who should be our coach next year, guys?
Jerome Tang
HOT TAKE.
Post by: nicname on January 21, 2023, 03:43:59 PM
Post by: catastrophe on January 21, 2023, 03:56:18 PM
Post by: wiley on January 21, 2023, 04:10:09 PM
https://twitter.com/GrantFlanders/status/1616908166561677318?s=20&t=QZxQz78AGnRJG0QQW0RQoQHe’s gone
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If he wins the Big12 regular season, he's getting bags of cash from KSU.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 22, 2023, 11:27:28 AM
I suspect it was more involved than the occasional shout from the bench to believe in himself or is it his self? Anyway, great coaching.
Post by: nicname on January 22, 2023, 12:42:55 PM
Big shoutout to Jerome Tang and staff for building up Ish’s confidence over the course of this season.
I suspect it was more involved than the occasional shout from the bench to believe in himself or is it his self? Anyway, great coaching.
I agree, his blossoming under Tang and Co. has been special, and one of the more heartwarming stories of the season.
Post by: wetwillie on January 22, 2023, 12:46:41 PM
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on January 23, 2023, 01:36:55 PM
That KU team got to #1 in the country but didn't win the conference (the Big 8 was loaded that year) and lost in the second round of the NCAA tournament. Played out of their minds and over their ability all year, but didn't have the horses yet to finish. All seems very familiar. And exciting for the future.
Honestly, it also feels similar to OU football in 2000 under longtime assistant Bobby Stoops, when he turned OU into a buzzsaw in his second season. In complete honesty, this is the third time I've had this feeling about a coach, and it's Tang. Even more impressive that he's in his first season unlike Roy and Stoops.
Post by: ShellShock on January 23, 2023, 02:30:24 PM
Tang has made Bramlage he best environment in college basketball.
Correction: Tang has revived the best environment in college basketball. It was rocking during the Huggs and early Martin era.
My ears still hurt from KU in '08.
Post by: wetwillie on January 23, 2023, 02:33:07 PM
Post by: stunted on January 23, 2023, 02:37:37 PM
Tang has made Bramlage he best environment in college basketball.
Correction: Tang has revived the best environment in college basketball. It was rocking during the Huggs and early Martin era.
My ears still hurt from KU in '08.
funny enough oscar had more success than both coaches combined and our crappy fans still didn't give him a chance.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on January 23, 2023, 02:45:04 PM
Reminds me of Roy Williams. I well remember the 1989-90 KU season, when the Hawks were unranked to start the year and had a longtime assistant coach new to their program (Roy was in his second season). The Hawks didn't have much talent that year but took off, jumped into the top 5, and it was obvious to me (and everyone) that Roy was the real deal. The game when they put 150 on Kentucky that season feels similar to the 116 we put on Texas.
That KU team got to #1 in the country but didn't win the conference (the Big 8 was loaded that year) and lost in the second round of the NCAA tournament. Played out of their minds and over their ability all year, but didn't have the horses yet to finish. All seems very familiar. And exciting for the future.
Honestly, it also feels similar to OU football in 2000 under longtime assistant Bobby Stoops, when he turned OU into a buzzsaw in his second season. In complete honesty, this is the third time I've had this feeling about a coach, and it's Tang. Even more impressive that he's in his first season unlike Roy and Stoops.
GoSP!
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on January 23, 2023, 02:58:42 PM
Reminds me of Roy Williams. I well remember the 1989-90 KU season, when the Hawks were unranked to start the year and had a longtime assistant coach new to their program (Roy was in his second season). The Hawks didn't have much talent that year but took off, jumped into the top 5, and it was obvious to me (and everyone) that Roy was the real deal. The game when they put 150 on Kentucky that season feels similar to the 116 we put on Texas.
That KU team got to #1 in the country but didn't win the conference (the Big 8 was loaded that year) and lost in the second round of the NCAA tournament. Played out of their minds and over their ability all year, but didn't have the horses yet to finish. All seems very familiar. And exciting for the future.
Honestly, it also feels similar to OU football in 2000 under longtime assistant Bobby Stoops, when he turned OU into a buzzsaw in his second season. In complete honesty, this is the third time I've had this feeling about a coach, and it's Tang. Even more impressive that he's in his first season unlike Roy and Stoops.
GoSP!
Found my password. First post since 2015. Feels like yesterday.
Post by: nicname on January 23, 2023, 03:03:38 PM
Post by: Winters on January 23, 2023, 03:55:05 PM
Welcome back!Reminds me of Roy Williams. I well remember the 1989-90 KU season, when the Hawks were unranked to start the year and had a longtime assistant coach new to their program (Roy was in his second season). The Hawks didn't have much talent that year but took off, jumped into the top 5, and it was obvious to me (and everyone) that Roy was the real deal. The game when they put 150 on Kentucky that season feels similar to the 116 we put on Texas.
That KU team got to #1 in the country but didn't win the conference (the Big 8 was loaded that year) and lost in the second round of the NCAA tournament. Played out of their minds and over their ability all year, but didn't have the horses yet to finish. All seems very familiar. And exciting for the future.
Honestly, it also feels similar to OU football in 2000 under longtime assistant Bobby Stoops, when he turned OU into a buzzsaw in his second season. In complete honesty, this is the third time I've had this feeling about a coach, and it's Tang. Even more impressive that he's in his first season unlike Roy and Stoops.
GoSP!
Found my password. First post since 2015. Feels like yesterday.
Post by: Cire on January 23, 2023, 04:57:46 PM
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Post by: Skipper44 on January 23, 2023, 06:17:01 PM
@PoetWarrior, it’s time to come home.Pdub would own the Tang thread in the pit
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 29, 2023, 09:21:54 AM
Best part was when they brought up Malaigi. Basically Ulrich came up and Wyatt tried to ask him a question about his overall experience in MHK and Tang took over questioning, told everyone how he had known UM coming up since High School and had always wanted to get him on board. He praised the hell out of him and then asked UM to tell the people in the room and listening what this new experience has been like. UM talked about how town is incredible, the fans bring the zeal and everywhere you go he gets suppport.
He finished his answer with this:
When my wife and I got to Texas Tech, we decided we'd rent an apartment.
When we got to Texas we decided to rent a condo.
When we got to Manhattan we bought a house within 3 days.
I don't now if they had rehearsed it but it was the kind of stuff that slays.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 29, 2023, 01:39:32 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 29, 2023, 04:11:34 PM
Please nobody come at me for being brave/honest
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 30, 2023, 11:54:09 AM
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Post by: Kid In the Hall on January 31, 2023, 12:06:58 PM
How Jerome Tang and Kansas State basketball have made believers of us all
By CJ Moore
Jan 31, 2023
MANHATTAN, Kan. — It’s midway through Kansas State’s practice on Friday morning, and it’s been sloppy. The Wildcats are 25 minutes behind schedule, because they keep messing up the little details that will be key to beating Florida on Saturday. They’ve been late on double teams. The man on the ball keeps getting the angle of his feet wrong. The help-the-helper isn’t getting positioned in the right spot. Finally, coach Jerome Tang has seen enough and calls his team together.
“Don’t confuse boring with a lack of importance,” he says.
The message smacks fifth-year senior point guard Markquis Nowell right in the face. “That’s the human nature,” he says to himself. He walks over to assistant coach Jareem Dowling.
“I love this dude,” he says. “I wish I could play for him for five years. How does he come up with that?”
Since Tang took the job 10 months ago, it sure seems as if he has done no wrong and always comes up with the right thing to say. The Wildcats, ranked seventh in the AP Top 25, are the best story in men’s college basketball. They were picked to finish last in the Big 12 but began this week in a three-way tie for first.
Tang is a rock star. His charisma is on all the time. It’s hard not to like a guy who, after beating his school’s rival, in the midst of a court storm and with the students chanting “F— KU,” climbs up on a table, starts leading a “K-S-U” chant and then finds the perfect thing to say to actually get those young folks to consider a change in attitude.
“It is amazing what you can accomplish when you do it out of the motive of love and joy and passion,” he told the students after beating Kansas in overtime Jan. 17. “I told y’all you get one court storm. From here on out, expect to win.”
Coach Jerome Tang after K-State's OT win over Kansas: 'From here on out, expect to win'
They may just obey considering what is happening in Manhattan. No one saw this coming. When Tang showed up and said he wanted to “elevate the standard,” simply being competitive in the Big 12 would have accomplished as much.
“I wasn’t telling Coach Tang this,” Dowling says, “but I was hoping to get to the NIT.”
Even Tang admits this wasn’t what he imagined. The former longtime Baylor assistant had his expectations. He thought he had an NCAA Tournament team. But the top 10? It took five years at Baylor to even get ranked.
Of course, Tang and Baylor coach Scott Drew didn’t have the luxury of starting that program with a player like Nowell. Visit Manhattan, and it quickly becomes clear there are two men steering this ship. In the 5-foot-8 point guard, Tang found his vessel.
Nowell was as big a part of recruiting the team as any of the coaches. Back in the spring, he was one of two players on the roster. He helped host seven players the Wildcats eventually signed, including his co-star Keyontae Johnson.
Johnson, the former Florida star who sat out for nearly two years after collapsing on the floor minutes into a game at Florida State on Dec. 12, 2020, was looking for someone who believed he could be the All-SEC caliber player he’d been in Gainesville. On his visit to K-State, he had deep talks with Nowell about their goals and aspirations. Johnson felt like he had doubters because of how long he’d been out with his heart issue. Nowell was always counted out because of his height.
Nowell made Johnson a believer that they could do something special together. His incredible self-belief is magnetic. “When I say confidence level is through the roof; it’s over the roof,” assistant coach Rodney Perry says. “He believes he can do anything.”
Tang’s whole thing is always focusing on the short term. Win every day. But Nowell started to see the big picture before anyone else. Back in November during a run to the championship at the Cayman Islands Classic, he started breaking huddles with “Best team in the country!” and then would tell his teammates, “Let’s go play like it.”
“I remember thinking to myself, ‘ehhh, we’re not the best team in the country,'” Tang says, “but I liked him saying it.”
Two weeks ago when Kansas State was on the verge of upsetting the Jayhawks, Tang found himself delivering a similar message: We’re the best team in the country. Let’s go get this thing.
“We’re not the most talented team in the country,” he says, “but on any night, we could beat anybody in America.”
As soon as Kansas State got ranked for the first time this season, it found itself on the wrong side of an 11-0 run in the first half against Oklahoma State a day later. The ESPN camera panned to the K-State bench, and a demonstrative Tang was delivering a plea to his assistants.
What was he saying?
“We didn’t have smiles on our faces,” Perry says. “We didn’t look like we were having fun, because he’s all about making sure that you have fun too. He was talking to us about how we looked. He said, ‘I’m the first one. I’m guilty of it too, but I’m going to change it right now and I want you guys to change it too.’
“We weren’t playing very well, and he was right. We all had a look like, what are we doing?”
The hard part is getting there, but the hardest part might be staying. The Wildcats proved in early January that they were capable of beating anybody by storming through the state of Texas. In a four-day span, they had the eye-opener of all eye-openers in a 116-103 win at No. 6 Texas and then followed that up with an emotional 97-95 win at No. 19 Baylor.
In the days that followed, Tang found himself trying to mentally navigate what sudden success brings.
“We’ve achieved more than anybody thinks. You relax, right?” he says. “Or do you go the other extreme, and say, ‘Man, we can win this whole thing?’ And then you tense up and get tight. It’s like winning is no longer a celebration; it’s a relief. I’m trying to enjoy it, expect to win and try not to be afraid to lose. And sometimes I live in the ‘afraid to lose’ too much.”
Tang is a newbie to sitting in the head chair, but he’s already lived going from the bottom to the top at Baylor. The greatest lesson he learned in Waco is making sure everyone feels involved and success is shared.
When the Wildcats broke into the top 25 on Jan. 9, Tang came in the next day and told his team to give themselves two claps for getting ranked. He printed the polls on card stock and gave a copy to every staffer and then did the same a week later when they made it into the top 10.
Tang also sent a bouquet of flowers to the coaches’ wives with this note: “Thank you for allowing us to do what we do. We couldn’t have the success we’ve had without you. Congratulations on the #11 ranking!”
“He’s so inclusive, man,” Dowling says. “It’s hard not to want to help and not push the thing forward. He loves you so much that when you’re not around him, and you’re not doing the right thing, you feel like you’re cheating him. Because he don’t cheat you. He’s transparent. He loves you. You never have to guess what he’s thinking. You know what he’s thinking, because he’s telling it to you.”
Dowling wanted to harness that power, so he came up with an idea. In the preseason, he set up weekly individual meetings for each player with Tang in his office. (In-season, they meet every other week.) Tang took the opportunity to get to know them. He didn’t want it to be about basketball. He brought a notebook to every meeting. He wanted to know their backgrounds. He wanted to know about their families. He’d ask what he could pray for them about. Those meetings broke down a barrier that usually exists between player and coach. If someone has something on their mind, they’re encouraged to come talk to him.
The payoff is what’s happened with senior Ismael Massoud. Massoud, the only other holdover from the previous regime, was a fringe rotation player before Christmas. He had four DNPs, and Tang had his reasons. In the preseason during conditioning week — which they call Shark Week — the players had to collectively make time in 30 suicide sprints. As they neared the end, the Wildcats had four players dive across the line trying to make it. Massoud was one of the players a split second late, but he didn’t dive.
“I remember thinking, ‘That dude will never play for me,’” Tang says.
When Massoud returned from Christmas break, he told Tang that he felt like he wasn’t being given any leeway. If he had three or four good days in a row, as soon as he showed a glimpse of being soft, it knocked him all the way back down. Tang acknowledge that Massoud had a point.
“I have to be willing to listen to them,” he says.
Massoud played 21 minutes in the next game, an 82-76 win against then-No. 24 West Virginia, which was KSU’s first win over a ranked opponent. In Big 12 play, he’s been a regular in the rotation and is making a league-best 57.1 percent of his 3-pointers.
“After going home, a lot of people would have just blamed the coach,” Massoud says. “It would have been easy to think he doesn’t want to play me and stuff like that. I had to look in the mirror and tell myself that I have to give him a reason that he can’t not play me.”
Massoud rewarded his coach’s faith by diving on a loose ball with three seconds left to secure the win against Kansas.
“That wasn’t about him,” Tang says. “That was about him caring about his teammates. During Shark Week, that was him caring about himself. And so that kind of growth, that’s got to carry some weight, right? That’s got to mean something to me as a coach.”
That night, Nowell and Massoud sat in their apartment together and marveled at how far they’d come.
“We really just beat Kansas,” Nowell said, like he needed to hear himself say it out loud to really make sure it was true.
“It’s surreal to see where we started and where we’ve come,” Massoud says. “It was just us two. Now we’re playing for seeding. It’s not even to make the tournament; it’s playing for seeding.”
Last week as the Kansas State coaches reviewed the film, they noticed that Nae’Qwan Tomlin was not playing as hard as he usually does. Tomlin is so new to basketball that his inexperience is kind of like a badge of honor. On Friday night, Tang introduced his players to alumni back in town during a ceremony in the lobby of the basketball office, and he told his players to share one fun fact about themselves. “A fun fact about me,” Tomlin told the crowd, “I’ve been playing basketball for 4 1/2 years.”
Tomlin is the wildcard on this team. When he’s good, he can take the Wildcats to a magic level. There are few players in basketball — not just college — who can move as quickly as he can at his size (6-foot-10, 210 pounds). How to get the best out of Tomlin is a continual journey, because he’s improving so fast that who knows what he’ll be capable of in a year or even next week. But on the tape against Iowa State, it’s clear he’s holding back. So as the coaches reviewed the film with Tomlin, they showed the spots when he wasn’t running as hard as he usually does and asked why.
Tomlin pointed out he wasn’t touching the ball, and he was right. For the first nine minutes, 30 seconds, he didn’t get one touch.
“That’s our bad,” Tang says.
Tang is constantly seeking tiny details that bring the best out of every player. He tells the story of former Baylor star Perry Jones. The Baylor coaches used to run a lob play for Jones early in every game, thinking that would get him going. But one day they started studying the numbers and realized that when Jones made a 3 he averaged 21 points per game, and if he didn’t make a 3, his average dropped to 11. Through studying Tomlin’s film, Tang figured out early on that he shot a better percentage based on the angle he’d come off a screen. He’s also found that Tomlin is better when he simply gets his number called early.
“He just wants to touch it and dribble,” Tang says.
Every game, Tang and Perry script a plan and pick out a group of plays that they think will work against that opponent. They operate like a football team in this way. They have 230 sets in the playbook, but for the Florida game, for instance, they pulled out 25 plays that would work best against the Gators.
Fifth-year point guard Markquis Nowell makes the Wildcats go. (Chris Jones / USA Today)
In the days ahead of the game, they rep those plays, and on Friday after practice, Perry quizzes Nowell on where he goes with the ball in each set, then reminds him how important it is to get everyone involved.
Nowell, who has the second-best assist rate in the country, looks back at him like, you serious?
Perry gets out his cell phone and points to it. Nowell knows exactly what he’s referencing. Perry is one of the co-founders of MOKAN Elite, the Nike-sponsored grassroots program in Kansas City that has won three Peach Jams and has a long list of pros that includes Trae Young. On the couch in Perry’s office sits a pillow with a picture of all the pros he’s coached on it. When Perry joined K-State’s staff on Aug. 1, Nowell became a regular visitor — “I gravitated to him because he’s like a basketball genius,” he says — and nine days in before leaving for break, Nowell fired off a text message:
“Hey Coach. I want to be the best. I want you to push me to be a pro just like you did your other pros.”
Every day they watch at least 30 minutes of film together, and Perry is constantly reminding Nowell the importance of the point guard position and the standard to which he wanted to be held.
“Now if something’s changed,” he says, pointing to his phone on Friday afternoon, “you need to let me know.”
The next day Kansas State has the keys to beat Florida, but it also has a list of items that need to be addressed to set it back on the right path. For the team, that’s rebounding and defense. For Nowell, that’s making everyone feel involved.
On the first two plays of the day, Nowell finds Tomlin, who runs hard all day.
Everything else seems to play out exactly as the coaches envisioned. For two days they preached bringing a double team when the ball was in the air on the way to Florida star big man Colin Castleton. On Friday, the double was late almost every time against the scout team. By Saturday morning’s shootaround, the Wildcats had it down. In the game, Castleton is flustered early by the double teams and it takes more than 13 minutes for him to get his first bucket. The other key to stopping the big fella is a third defender getting in front of the basket with his butt to the baseline, ready to deal with cutters. On Friday, that help defender kept turning the wrong way. On Saturday, the Wildcats execute this almost perfectly. Castleton finishes with 13 points but did not score on a post-up.
Defense is probably the biggest concern going into the Florida game, considering K-State has had the eighth-best defense in conference play and had allowed Iowa State to reach 80 points for only the second time in Big 12 games. At halftime, Florida has scored only 16 points, and the first thing Tang writes on the board is “7 kills,” meaning K-State had three stops in a row seven different times.
“Defense was on point,” he says.
Rebounding is the other key. “Hit and go get it,” Tang demanded during his pregame speech. Out of the 44 rebounds up for grabs when Florida misses a shot, Kansas State grabs 38. The Wildcats also have 11 offensive boards. Both accomplishments are met with two claps afterward.
Nowell is the star of the day. The plan was to pick on Florida’s drop coverage ball-screen defense, and he navigates it beautifully. He nearly racks up the first triple-double in program history, finishing with 13 points, nine rebounds and eight assists in a 64-50 win.
It’s not all that surprising anymore considering the ridiculous lines Nowell has put up, which included a historic four-game run earlier this month.
Nowell lost his North Star shortly after that. Since it felt like every shot was going in, he started throwing up a few heat checks, like at Iowa State when he stole the ball and pulled up for 3 instead of going in for a layup. That type of shot and the logo 3s are what Tang calls vitamins: You get one a game.
“His stubbornness makes him great,” Tang says. “There’s certain things you say, dang, don’t do that. But he has this great faith and belief in himself that he’ll do it again and be successful at it. And so as a coach, you hate kids to do everything you tell them to do and kids to do nothing you tell them to do, right? Sometimes they gotta do their thing. And he’s learning how to balance that, and we as a staff are learning how to coach it.”
Nowell is in awe of the man who has made him grow in ways he never imagined and made him completely change how he sees the game and leadership. In New York City, where Nowell grew up, it was all about being the loudest guy in the room. You barked orders. You showed you meant business. “To see that you can also be a leader by motivating and loving and caring for one another has changed my perspective,” Nowell says. “We want to win bad for him, because he’s a really good person.”
On Saturday night after congratulating his team on another win, Tang goes around the locker room and hugs every player. He starts with Nowell, holding on extra long and delivering a message.
Next up is the rematch with Kansas, Tuesday night at Allen Fieldhouse.
“I love you, man,” he whispers into his point guard’s ear. “Let’s go make history.”
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 31, 2023, 12:09:19 PM
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Post by: schreds21 on January 31, 2023, 12:48:02 PM
Wow that's really long can you do a TLDNR?It wasn't long enough. I could keep reading that romance novel until tip off tonight.
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 31, 2023, 01:04:08 PM
Wow that's really long can you do a TLDNR?It wasn't long enough. I could keep reading that romance novel until tip off tonight.
Yeah I ended up reading it and it was very very good
Post by: nicname on January 31, 2023, 04:27:31 PM
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Post by: kim carnes on February 05, 2023, 12:16:53 PM
Let’s pump the brakes on this
Post by: pissclams on February 05, 2023, 01:37:03 PM
this team is getting worse by the week and i’m not sure if tang survives the season as it is now crystal clear that they were winning early on despite him, not because of him
frustration has set in on this fan base and set in hard. i don’t see this program or crap, even the season being repairable at this point. if we somehow manage to make the tournament it’s gonna be an absolute bloodbath.
Post by: wetwillie on February 05, 2023, 02:08:52 PM
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Post by: nicname on February 05, 2023, 03:37:53 PM
the loss against texas is good in the long run if you're in favor of having tang at kansas state
I don’t believe that Tang would take the Texas job if offered.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 05, 2023, 04:42:07 PM
the loss against texas is good in the long run if you're in favor of having tang at kansas state
I don’t believe that Tang would take the Texas job if offered.
He wouldn't have, nor would it have been offered
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on February 08, 2023, 01:52:18 PM
https://twitter.com/Coachreem4ever/status/1623393878618300416?s=20&t=LBCY3--Vdlg-G_yctSY77A
Post by: kim carnes on February 11, 2023, 08:17:36 PM
Let’s pump the brakes on this
Slam on the brakes
Post by: EMAWzifried on February 13, 2023, 08:53:56 PM
Post by: catastrophe on February 13, 2023, 10:42:41 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 14, 2023, 09:38:01 AM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on February 14, 2023, 09:54:12 AM
Post by: jmlynch1 on February 14, 2023, 10:34:14 AM
I think he deserves an extension as well as a SkinnyBenny tribute video. I think his time with Cats has generated enough material for a video.Tang the 'Gon parody of Bang a Gong by T. Rex
yw
Post by: KSNimrod on February 14, 2023, 10:42:40 AM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on February 14, 2023, 11:01:52 AM
I can't get "Win the Tang Day, Pound the Tang Stone" out of my head.I think he deserves an extension as well as a SkinnyBenny tribute video. I think his time with Cats has generated enough material for a video.Tang the 'Gon parody of Bang a Gong by T. Rex
yw
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 14, 2023, 11:21:50 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 18, 2023, 01:18:21 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 18, 2023, 03:46:09 PM
We have the basketball version of Lance Lightpole
Did you post this even before the under 12 timeout of the first half?
Post by: Spracne on February 18, 2023, 03:51:20 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 20, 2023, 01:21:48 PM
Leave 'stone alone. He's probably already en route to see The Boss tonight.
lol how did you know?
Post by: Spracne on February 20, 2023, 01:33:18 PM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on March 03, 2023, 09:37:32 AM
Mustang should try and get this done before get in the Bid Dance and we make our Final Four run. Tang probably will likely decline any contract talks during the season, but we are going to have to open the checkbook this summer. Still haven't announced the coaching staff's new deals and we know that isn't going to be cheap. First world problems here.....
Post by: MakeItRain on March 03, 2023, 10:12:27 AM
Post by: wetwillie on March 03, 2023, 10:18:58 AM
Post by: catastrophe on March 03, 2023, 11:29:32 AM
Tang ain’t leaving, he picked us as much as we picked him.Yeah, as long as Gene treats him right, where is he gonna go? A year in and he’s in the top 3 of the best bball conference in the country. Another school would have to throw a stupid amount of money at him to move the needle.
The myth of the difficulty recruiting to or winning at KSU really needs to die.
Post by: CNS on March 03, 2023, 04:24:03 PM
Post by: CNS on March 05, 2023, 05:42:05 PM
Johnson unanimously voted newcomer of the year and first team
Nowell voted first team
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 05, 2023, 07:40:41 PM
Tang just awarded B12 Phillips 66 COY:emawkid:
Johnson unanimously voted newcomer of the year and first team
Nowell voted first team
Two first team all conference players is pretty awesome.
Post by: stunted on March 06, 2023, 02:03:58 AM
Tang just awarded B12 Phillips 66 COY:emawkid:
Johnson unanimously voted newcomer of the year and first team
Nowell voted first team
Two first team all conference players is pretty awesome.
really takes away from coy
Post by: Pete on March 06, 2023, 07:27:32 AM
Tang just awarded B12 Phillips 66 COY:emawkid:
Johnson unanimously voted newcomer of the year and first team
Nowell voted first team
Two first team all conference players is pretty awesome.
really takes away from coy
That's a good research question. Has there ever been a COY who didn't have at least one all-conference player?
Post by: Purple Derpathy on March 06, 2023, 07:54:23 AM
Tang just awarded B12 Phillips 66 COY:emawkid:
Johnson unanimously voted newcomer of the year and first team
Nowell voted first team
Two first team all conference players is pretty awesome.
really takes away from coy
Terrible logic.
Post by: Pete on March 06, 2023, 07:57:03 AM
Post by: stunted on March 06, 2023, 09:41:34 AM
Post by: Pete on March 06, 2023, 09:52:49 AM
he really beat out some heavyweights for that oneIt does beg the question how important is it to identify diamonds in the rough vs beat out other high ranking programs.
Post by: stunted on March 06, 2023, 10:03:31 AM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 06, 2023, 10:06:46 AM
Post by: stunted on March 06, 2023, 10:09:33 AM
Post by: pissclams on March 06, 2023, 11:38:01 AM
:drool: :drool: :drool:
this coat could be better than grcoat 1.0 and grcoat 2.0 combined
Post by: nicname on March 06, 2023, 09:29:38 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 06, 2023, 09:32:51 PM
https://www.facebook.com/groups/thekstatefamily/permalink/6069381026486429/
What's this supposed to be? I'm, and I'd imagine others reading, aren't members of this group.
Post by: nicname on March 06, 2023, 09:54:01 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 07, 2023, 09:04:43 AM
Post by: stunted on March 08, 2023, 03:03:11 AM
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 08, 2023, 03:32:56 PM
i love getting them indoctrinated at such a young ageMy nephew is two and asks to have Wildcat Victory sang to him at bed time. I clap the tempo and we sing it at his bedtime.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 08, 2023, 03:38:58 PM
there's something a little bit off about his gait
He's carrying around two titanium balls as big as oranges.
Obligatory apologies to trim
Post by: schreds21 on March 08, 2023, 07:21:07 PM
It's on my daughter's bedtime song playlist as welli love getting them indoctrinated at such a young ageMy nephew is two and asks to have Wildcat Victory sang to him at bed time. I clap the tempo and we sing it at his bedtime.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 09, 2023, 08:11:41 AM
https://twitter.com/andrewhmoses/status/1633452592515764224?s=20
Post by: MakeItRain on March 09, 2023, 02:01:43 PM
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 09, 2023, 04:14:11 PM
Post by: stunted on March 10, 2023, 01:58:13 AM
oscar - 1
tang - 0
anyone who says "oscar had frank's players", nowell and johnson (2 players that fell in tang's lap) were far better than rodriguez and mcgruder. that roster actually looks really mid and oscar got them some hardware.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 10, 2023, 01:59:36 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 10, 2023, 09:27:38 AM
Post by: Pete on March 10, 2023, 09:53:55 AM
big 12 championships after year 1:
oscar - 1
tang - 0
anyone who says "oscar had frank's players", nowell and johnson (2 players that fell in tang's lap) were far better than rodriguez and mcgruder. that roster actually looks really mid and oscar got them some hardware.
Good points. Weird that so, so many people hated oscar. So, so, so many. Free country I guess.
Post by: Stupid Fitz on March 10, 2023, 10:28:18 AM
big 12 championships after year 1:
oscar - 1
tang - 0
anyone who says "oscar had frank's players", nowell and johnson (2 players that fell in tang's lap) were far better than rodriguez and mcgruder. that roster actually looks really mid and oscar got them some hardware.
Good points. Weird that so, so many people hated oscar. So, so, so many. Free country I guess.
Yep, totally weird that there were no other factors at all in the above stat. oscar was just a huge stud muffin I guess. So glad I always stood up for him.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 10, 2023, 10:43:23 AM
big 12 championships after year 1:
oscar - 1
tang - 0
anyone who says "oscar had frank's players", nowell and johnson (2 players that fell in tang's lap) were far better than rodriguez and mcgruder. that roster actually looks really mid and oscar got them some hardware.
Good points. Weird that so, so many people hated oscar. So, so, so many. Free country I guess.
Very weird especially in light of how quickly other universities scooped him up after his departure.
Post by: stunted on March 10, 2023, 11:46:39 AM
Good points. Weird that so, so many people hated oscar. So, so, so many. Free country I guess.
yes i mean agreed we have many dumbass fans who hated oscar despite his successes, and are giving tang a chance despite having less success so far in their careers.
oscar - 1 big 12 championship
tang - 0 big 12 championship
Post by: kstate4life on March 10, 2023, 11:49:49 AM
Post by: stunted on March 10, 2023, 12:00:58 PM
jesus. one of the most underrated coaching jobs in history.
Post by: catastrophe on March 10, 2023, 12:05:54 PM
Post by: Kid In the Hall on March 10, 2023, 01:03:58 PM
Let's hope Tang can outperform that year's tournament result
He doesn't have to win a game because we'll be better than a 4 seed...
Post by: michigancat on March 10, 2023, 02:53:37 PM
Dude apparently, unprompted, unscheduled, visited a sick young girl at Children's Mercy, this freaking morning. Such a great man.
https://twitter.com/MarleahKCTV5/status/1634257295730155532?s=20
love it
Post by: Spracne on March 10, 2023, 03:48:48 PM
Post by: Stupid Fitz on March 10, 2023, 03:51:16 PM
Dude apparently, unprompted, unscheduled, visited a sick young girl at Children's Mercy, this freaking morning. Such a great man.
https://twitter.com/MarleahKCTV5/status/1634257295730155532?s=20
love it
Man's a gem. He gave Lil' SF a high 5 coming out of the tunnel and made his night. Getting a high 5 from KJ also helped, but it was a banner moment regardless. I bet oscar would have missed his hand.
Post by: Kid In the Hall on March 10, 2023, 04:07:50 PM
Dude apparently, unprompted, unscheduled, visited a sick young girl at Children's Mercy, this freaking morning. Such a great man.
https://twitter.com/MarleahKCTV5/status/1634257295730155532?s=20
love it
He visits a sickly kid in the hospital and completely ignores Bill Self? Ballsy move...
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 10, 2023, 06:58:18 PM
Should have spent more time game planning and less time hotdogging.
Oh yeah?!? Well maybe bill self spent the appropriate amount of time game planning but should have spent less time hotdogging (and by hotdogging I mean eating several hot dogs at a time with extra bun and probably like mayonnaise)
Post by: sys on March 10, 2023, 08:18:23 PM
they're a nice little team, and there's no reason they should be.
Post by: Mr Bread on March 11, 2023, 07:52:10 AM
just my jmho, but i think tang overachieved both in recruiting (i know last minute recruiting is a lot easier now, but still) and in coaching his roster.
they're a nice little team, and there's no reason they should be.
Not just bringing in and winning with a group of largely unheralded transfers plus a former star who hadn't played in two years, but also a brand new coaching staff first year all working together at a brand new school for them all and it's his first year as the head man. Not to mention that he had inherited a corpse oscar had been dry humping for three straight years. Wild.
Being a pessimist I do worry he's going to be a victim of his own success this season.
Post by: michigancat on March 11, 2023, 08:03:33 AM
just my jmho, but i think tang overachieved both in recruiting (i know last minute recruiting is a lot easier now, but still) and in coaching his roster.
they're a nice little team, and there's no reason they should be.
Not just bringing in and winning with a group of largely unheralded transfers plus a former star who hadn't played in two years, but also a brand new coaching staff first year all working together at a brand new school for them all and it's his first year as the head man. Not to mention that he had inherited a corpse oscar had been dry humping for three straight years. Wild.
Being a pessimist I do worry he's going to be a victim of his own success this season.
Yes very good chance we'll be worse next year and our fans will lose their ever-loving crap. I mean they already do.
But also a chance he finds another player in the portal who makes a Keyontae-esque impact.
Post by: Mr Bread on March 11, 2023, 08:13:16 AM
just my jmho, but i think tang overachieved both in recruiting (i know last minute recruiting is a lot easier now, but still) and in coaching his roster.
they're a nice little team, and there's no reason they should be.
Not just bringing in and winning with a group of largely unheralded transfers plus a former star who hadn't played in two years, but also a brand new coaching staff first year all working together at a brand new school for them all and it's his first year as the head man. Not to mention that he had inherited a corpse oscar had been dry humping for three straight years. Wild.
Being a pessimist I do worry he's going to be a victim of his own success this season.
Yes very good chance we'll be worse next year and our fans will lose their ever-loving crap. I mean they already do.
But also a chance he finds another player in the portal who makes a Keyontae-esque impact.
I think it's a hell of a lot harder than he's made it look this year. Illinois is testament to that. Though to his credit, maybe he's just personally cut out for this college basketball landscape. An eye for talent, the ability to close on them and then get them to all buy in in relatively no time at all. A portaling savant. Very big dick for you all if he is.
Post by: wetwillie on March 11, 2023, 08:21:11 AM
Post by: Mr Bread on March 11, 2023, 08:28:27 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 11, 2023, 10:35:08 AM
I don’t think we will drop off next year.
I don't either. His recruiting class is very good. We know he and his staff are good technicians, and he's absolutely the type of coach that players will love to play for and will have a great rep among other players and coaches.
Are nowell and johnson guaranteed gone? I honestly can't keep track with all these covid years.
Nowell is done, Johnson has another year of eligibility, but he's 100% gone.
Post by: cfbandyman on March 11, 2023, 10:38:00 AM
I don’t think we will drop off next year.
Me either, I think we finish top 4 in the conference with another top 3/4 seed in the tourny
Post by: wetwillie on March 11, 2023, 10:40:07 AM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 11, 2023, 01:01:03 PM
We allegedly turned away 2 more top 100 HS kids for 2023 if that tells you anything about Tang’s mindset. He isn’t taking his foot off the gas.
lol what
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 11, 2023, 01:27:07 PM
Post by: konofo on March 11, 2023, 05:37:16 PM
We will drop off. We got incredibly lucky early in the conference in that Nowell was semi-conscious and put up numbers he couldn't sustain. I don't see that happening with next years rosterKeep in mind that between three to five of our games will be replaced with games against UCF, Cincinnati, and BYU.
We may not finish 3rd again, because Houston is incoming, but 11-7 is not out of reach by any means.
kono
Post by: MakeItRain on March 11, 2023, 10:32:13 PM
We will drop off. We got incredibly lucky early in the conference in that Nowell was semi-conscious and put up numbers he couldn't sustain. I don't see that happening with next years roster
We finished 11-7, why are we acting like that's mount everest?
Post by: Pete on March 11, 2023, 11:04:10 PM
I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect to the 3 seed againWe will drop off. We got incredibly lucky early in the conference in that Nowell was semi-conscious and put up numbers he couldn't sustain. I don't see that happening with next years roster
We finished 11-7, why are we acting like that's mount everest?
Post by: michigancat on March 12, 2023, 06:18:34 AM
Based on the returning roster and newcomers I'd be surprised if he surpassed that and the solid seed next season. That doesn't mean he can't after hitting the portal and I am confident he can surpass it in future seasons!We will drop off. We got incredibly lucky early in the conference in that Nowell was semi-conscious and put up numbers he couldn't sustain. I don't see that happening with next years roster
We finished 11-7, why are we acting like that's mount everest?
Post by: wetwillie on March 12, 2023, 06:47:54 AM
Post by: michigancat on March 12, 2023, 07:02:32 AM
We don’t know who the returners or newcomers are yet.
Do I need to explain it's based on what we know now?
I was saying that based on what we know now.
But also a chance he finds another player in the portal who makes a Keyontae-esque impact.
Post by: wetwillie on March 12, 2023, 07:06:17 AM
Post by: michigancat on March 12, 2023, 07:12:26 AM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on March 12, 2023, 08:59:29 AM
Post by: Cire on March 12, 2023, 09:05:05 AM
Nowell and Johnson are the whole team.
We will still have talent and probably have some wtf wins but also a lot of bad losses
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Post by: stunted on March 12, 2023, 09:08:46 AM
Post by: catastrophe on March 12, 2023, 09:40:25 AM
Post by: catastrophe on March 12, 2023, 09:41:31 AM
oscar won the big 12 his first season and eventually surpassed that taking us to the elite 8 (and winning the big 12 again). No reason Tang can’t as well. Although I have doubts he will be better than oscar his 2nd seasonIf Tang coaches here as long as oscar, we’ll get another E8 and probably FF.
Post by: Pete on March 12, 2023, 10:09:04 AM
Perhaps less fan apathy too!oscar won the big 12 his first season and eventually surpassed that taking us to the elite 8 (and winning the big 12 again). No reason Tang can’t as well. Although I have doubts he will be better than oscar his 2nd seasonIf Tang coaches here as long as oscar, we’ll get another E8 and probably FF.
Post by: pissclams on March 12, 2023, 10:54:18 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2023, 12:16:13 PM
we’re going to suck next year.
Nowell and Johnson are the whole team.
We will still have talent and probably have some wtf wins but also a lot of bad losses
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Jesus rough ridin' Christ. Insufferable.
Post by: Spracne on March 12, 2023, 01:14:51 PM
the good part about hating oscar is that everyone does it, not just cat hoops fans but everyone in the world
It's true.
Post by: pissclams on March 12, 2023, 08:03:37 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 13, 2023, 10:43:29 AM
We will drop off. We got incredibly lucky early in the conference in that Nowell was semi-conscious and put up numbers he couldn't sustain. I don't see that happening with next years roster
We finished 11-7, why are we acting like that's mount everest?
because tang got his crap pushed by OU, Tech, WVU and fell on his face in KC?
Post by: wetwillie on March 13, 2023, 10:59:48 AM
Post by: OK_Cat on March 13, 2023, 11:04:15 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 13, 2023, 11:21:01 AM
alabama got destroyed by OU and they'll probably win the NC. crap happens.
If tang wins the natty I will have no criticism
Post by: catastrophe on March 13, 2023, 12:49:12 PM
I can’t tell if dug is doing performance art or notRegardless, it should be known that being a complete idiot is not a bit.
Post by: stunted on March 15, 2023, 05:10:57 AM
Perhaps less fan apathy too!oscar won the big 12 his first season and eventually surpassed that taking us to the elite 8 (and winning the big 12 again). No reason Tang can’t as well. Although I have doubts he will be better than oscar his 2nd seasonIf Tang coaches here as long as oscar, we’ll get another E8 and probably FF.
every coach we've had had to beg for attendance. we really have the worst, most fairweather fans.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 18, 2023, 08:08:49 AM
https://twitter.com/kstatembb/status/1637076386853822465?s=46&t=mePkKn6StVV98h2WF84F2g
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 18, 2023, 08:44:14 AM
What a beautiful human being:
https://twitter.com/kstatembb/status/1637076386853822465?s=46&t=mePkKn6StVV98h2WF84F2g
What did it say?
Post by: pissclams on March 18, 2023, 09:15:26 AM
no words to describe how much I love this
Post by: DaBigTrain on March 18, 2023, 10:08:32 AM
https://twitter.com/kstatembb/status/1637089847134367744?s=61&t=kHH-k8anwIfPUMhwWRaDiAThat was the first thing I liked and RT this morning!
no words to describe how much I love this
Post by: wetwillie on March 19, 2023, 04:19:51 PM
Post by: CNS on March 19, 2023, 04:25:42 PM
Post by: Pete on March 19, 2023, 04:27:18 PM
Really should have hit him with a new extension a month or so ago. It’s going to be expensive now.
Good. He deserves it, and so does his staff. Pay them all very, very well.
Post by: CNS on March 19, 2023, 04:33:55 PM
Really should have hit him with a new extension a month or so ago. It’s going to be expensive now.
Good. He deserves it, and so does his staff. Pay them all very, very well.
I do hope we make a big investment in him/them. They style we play is fun, he comes off massively as a players coach, and now he has at least a Sweet 16. He is going to recruit his ass off. We have a lot of good bb in our near future.
Post by: catastrophe on March 19, 2023, 05:07:23 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2023, 05:47:18 PM
Really should have hit him with a new extension a month or so ago. It’s going to be expensive now.
Cost of doing business with a great coach.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2023, 05:50:15 PM
https://twitter.com/RealDYates/status/1637576940403019781
Post by: star seed 7 on March 19, 2023, 05:51:47 PM
Post by: mocat on March 19, 2023, 06:02:02 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on March 19, 2023, 06:02:46 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2023, 06:06:36 PM
The Kentucky fans in those QTs and replies aren't coping well at all. I thought KU fans needed to be validated, sheesh, Kentucky fans are 10 times worse.
Post by: Hurricane Cat on March 19, 2023, 06:44:41 PM
What a beautiful human being:
https://twitter.com/kstatembb/status/1637076386853822465?s=46&t=mePkKn6StVV98h2WF84F2g
:love:
Now picture Oscar attempting this. . . :lol:
Post by: nicname on March 19, 2023, 06:50:12 PM
Everytime you hear that drawl start to ask a question you just know it's some form of "coach tell us how you expect to overcome Kentucky" or "coach can you tell us how you managed to get this win over coach cal and Kentucky's five stars." He believes what he said but he's undoubtedly tired of the Kentucky media and their crap. His I've beaten Kentucky plenty quote from earlier in the weekend was great too.
The Kentucky fans in those QTs and replies aren't coping well at all. I thought KU fans needed to be validated, sheesh, Kentucky fans are 10 times worse.
Was playing poker in table adjacent to two UK Karens today during game. They were not for fun banter at all. All the sharps had their money on the purple cats too. Made it even more fun. they were totally outnumbered.
Post by: I_have_purplewood on March 19, 2023, 07:08:01 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 19, 2023, 07:22:26 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 19, 2023, 08:09:24 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on March 19, 2023, 09:16:44 PM
Honestly, college jobs are better for him. Personality doesn't matter much when you can't recruit.
Hard to imagine him as an NBA coach. It would be like when Mike Riley went to the NFL from Oregon State.
Post by: CHONGS on March 20, 2023, 06:16:29 PM
I think Tang has to be the favorite.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 20, 2023, 06:24:13 PM
https://naismithtrophy.com/2023-werner-ladder-naismith-mens-and-womens-college-coach-of-the-year-finalists/
I think Tang has to be the favorite.
Can’t imagine Painter is even still in the conversation
Post by: CNS on March 20, 2023, 07:31:55 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 20, 2023, 11:59:45 PM
https://naismithtrophy.com/2023-werner-ladder-naismith-mens-and-womens-college-coach-of-the-year-finalists/
I think Tang has to be the favorite.
Probably will need to make the final four to get him out of there
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 24, 2023, 07:01:28 AM
https://twitter.com/cbssportshq/status/1639079543171604480?s=46&t=mePkKn6StVV98h2WF84F2g
Post by: Purple Derpathy on March 24, 2023, 07:24:42 AM
https://www.si.com/college/2023/03/23/kansas-state-coach-jerome-tang-ipad-program-strategy
Pay the man.
Post by: Woogy on March 24, 2023, 08:48:49 AM
This was fascinating. While he says it's just 'dudes' there is obviously a lot more layers to this.
https://www.si.com/college/2023/03/23/kansas-state-coach-jerome-tang-ipad-program-strategy
Pay the man.
Good read, yes. Along those lines, what Tang says in the middle of this about himself and Ish getting on the same page:
https://twitter.com/glenn_kinley/status/1639131331224301568?s=20
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 24, 2023, 09:00:24 AM
https://twitter.com/PJGreenTV/status/1639075924195917828?s=20
Post by: catastrophe on March 24, 2023, 09:13:54 AM
Can you imagine how horrible it must feel to ask a dumb question that upsets our Coach Tang as he basks in Elite 8 glory:Seriously though, what kind of question is that?
https://twitter.com/cbssportshq/status/1639079543171604480?s=46&t=mePkKn6StVV98h2WF84F2g
Post by: MakeItRain on March 24, 2023, 10:31:03 AM
This was fascinating. While he says it's just 'dudes' there is obviously a lot more layers to this.
https://www.si.com/college/2023/03/23/kansas-state-coach-jerome-tang-ipad-program-strategy
Pay the man.
That's a bit of an infomercial but there's good stuff in there that we haven't heard before
Post by: meow meow on March 24, 2023, 10:33:52 AM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 24, 2023, 10:36:26 AM
This was fascinating. While he says it's just 'dudes' there is obviously a lot more layers to this.
https://www.si.com/college/2023/03/23/kansas-state-coach-jerome-tang-ipad-program-strategy
Pay the man.
That's a bit of an infomercial but there's good stuff in there that we haven't heard before
Would love to hear more about his past interviews. Wonder who passed over him previously
Post by: schreds21 on March 24, 2023, 11:08:36 AM
Holy crap, just realized that he was wearing an OUT THE MUD T-shirt for the presser. Incredible.He was wearing it after Kentucky game as well
https://twitter.com/PJGreenTV/status/1639075924195917828?s=20
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 24, 2023, 11:19:14 AM
I feel like I'm trying to drink out of a firehose of awesome-ness and I cannot keep up with it all.Holy crap, just realized that he was wearing an OUT THE MUD T-shirt for the presser. Incredible.He was wearing it after Kentucky game as well
https://twitter.com/PJGreenTV/status/1639075924195917828?s=20
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 24, 2023, 11:34:31 AM
And of course that's assault, and i imagine he would hug me back and be like "my brother i'm sorry that you're going to have to go to jail for this but i want you to know that i love you and i'm proud of you and i know you're going to go on to do great things because i believe in you" and then i would actually kind of feel positive about the fact that i was on my way to jail.
Post by: catastrophe on March 24, 2023, 11:47:46 AM
idk about you guys, but i have the feeling that if i encountered Jerome Tang randomly on the street that even if i wasn't decked out in purple gear i would still like walk up to him and hug him and thank him for being who he is and just like, for everything.
And of course that's assault, and i imagine he would hug me back and be like "my brother i'm sorry that you're going to have to go to jail for this but i want you to know that i love you and i'm proud of you and i know you're going to go on to do great things because i believe in you" and then i would actually kind of feel positive about the fact that i was on my way to jail.
Just reading this in Tang's voice warmed my heart a little.
Post by: Spracne on March 24, 2023, 11:54:56 AM
idk about you guys, but i have the feeling that if i encountered Jerome Tang randomly on the street that even if i wasn't decked out in purple gear i would still like walk up to him and hug him and thank him for being who he is and just like, for everything.
And of course that's assault, and i imagine he would hug me back and be like "my brother i'm sorry that you're going to have to go to jail for this but i want you to know that i love you and i'm proud of you and i know you're going to go on to do great things because i believe in you" and then i would actually kind of feel positive about the fact that i was on my way to jail.
Point of personal privilege, but if anything that's battery, not assault. In any event, it would only be battery if the touching was not wanted, and I have a suspicion Tang would welcome that touching.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 24, 2023, 12:04:02 PM
idk about you guys, but i have the feeling that if i encountered Jerome Tang randomly on the street that even if i wasn't decked out in purple gear i would still like walk up to him and hug him and thank him for being who he is and just like, for everything.
And of course that's assault, and i imagine he would hug me back and be like "my brother i'm sorry that you're going to have to go to jail for this but i want you to know that i love you and i'm proud of you and i know you're going to go on to do great things because i believe in you" and then i would actually kind of feel positive about the fact that i was on my way to jail.
Point of personal privilege, but if anything that's battery, not assault. In any event, it would only be battery if the touching was not wanted, and I have a suspicion Tang would welcome that touching.
The retainer fee is steep, but worth every penny. :cheers:
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on March 24, 2023, 12:46:54 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 24, 2023, 01:05:01 PM
Can you imagine how horrible it must feel to ask a dumb question that upsets our Coach Tang as he basks in Elite 8 glory:
https://twitter.com/cbssportshq/status/1639079543171604480?s=46&t=mePkKn6StVV98h2WF84F2g
His eyebrows when he heard the Q :lol:
Post by: catastrophe on March 24, 2023, 01:10:22 PM
The Phog thinks he's already gone. Nobody with this level of success would ever stay at KSU.
Never say never I guess, but it's hard to imagine what it would take to pull him away.
When is the last time a successful head coach was poached away from K-State? Huggins didn't even make the tournament when he was here and Frank was basically run out of town.
Post by: wetwillie on March 24, 2023, 01:11:48 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 24, 2023, 01:13:03 PM
The Phog thinks he's already gone. Nobody with this level of success would ever stay at KSU.
Never say never I guess, but it's hard to imagine what it would take to pull him away.
When is the last time a successful head coach was poached away from K-State? Huggins didn't even make the tournament when he was here and Frank was basically run out of town.
I'm not even remotely worried about him leaving after this year.
Post by: cfbandyman on March 24, 2023, 01:54:01 PM
The Phog thinks he's already gone. Nobody with this level of success would ever stay at KSU.
Never say never I guess, but it's hard to imagine what it would take to pull him away.
When is the last time a successful head coach was poached away from K-State? Huggins didn't even make the tournament when he was here and Frank was basically run out of town.
I'm not even remotely worried about him leaving after this year.
Yeah, like which school that is "above" us is going to get him? We're going to price him out of all but the blue bloods/top 15ish programs. I think his loyalty for giving him a chance will keep him here for a bit.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 24, 2023, 02:58:39 PM
The Phog thinks he's already gone. Nobody with this level of success would ever stay at KSU.
We don't have to do this. The longer run we have this year, the more of our fans will realize that we don't have to entertain this at all. Our collective fan base has the worst case of imposter syndrome, of all time.
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 24, 2023, 03:13:14 PM
Post by: nicname on March 24, 2023, 03:16:35 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on March 24, 2023, 04:00:53 PM
The Phog thinks he's already gone. Nobody with this level of success would ever stay at KSU.
We don't have to do this. The longer run we have this year, the more of our fans will realize that we don't have to entertain this at all. Our collective fan base has the worst case of imposter syndrome, of all time.
This is what makes it so ridiculous. The Phoggy's mantra has always been that you can't recruit to Manhattan, but when a coach recruits, at minimum, a nearly complete Elite Eight team in a few months, he will immediately leave because it's Manhattan. So dumb.
Post by: XocolateThundarr on March 24, 2023, 04:08:56 PM
Post by: Pete on March 25, 2023, 11:52:22 AM
Not since 1964 have we been to the final four. The tournament was only 16 teams at that time, and required only 2 wins to make the final four.
We finished 3rd in the historically difficult Big 12, while capturing wins against every team in the conference, including KU.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 25, 2023, 11:54:49 AM
Jerome Tang has us on the cusp of the greatest season in our lifetimes (apologies to Tom).
Not since 1964 have we been to the final four. The tournament was only 16 teams at that time, and required only 2 wins to make the final four.
We finished 3rd in the historically difficult Big 12, while capturing wins against every team in the conference, including KU.
(https://media.tenor.com/iaNQxCupA10AAAAM/again-miracle.gif)
Post by: MakeItRain on March 25, 2023, 12:04:59 PM
Jerome Tang has us on the cusp of the greatest season in our lifetimes (apologies to Tom).
Not since 1964 have we been to the final four. The tournament was only 16 teams at that time, and required only 2 wins to make the final four.
We finished 3rd in the historically difficult Big 12, while capturing wins against every team in the conference, including KU.
ChatGP? We need a reply bot here.
Post by: kim carnes on March 25, 2023, 12:06:39 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 25, 2023, 12:12:43 PM
The Phog thinks he's already gone. Nobody with this level of success would ever stay at KSU.
We don't have to do this. The longer run we have this year, the more of our fans will realize that we don't have to entertain this at all. Our collective fan base has the worst case of imposter syndrome, of all time.
This is what makes it so ridiculous. The Phoggy's mantra has always been that you can't recruit to Manhattan, but when a coach recruits, at minimum, a nearly complete Elite Eight team in a few months, he will immediately leave because it's Manhattan. So dumb.
The reality is that we are one of the easiest places to win at in America. Frank Martin came in with zero experience and built an elite 8 team in just a few years. Then he left and look at him now. oscar Weber was able to win the best conference in basketball twice and take another team to the elite 8. If it weren't for Woodridge being one of the shittiest coaches to ever blow a whistle and oscar deciding to make losing his entire identity a few years ago, seasons like this would be the expectation. Tang is going to make a habit of winning and he would be insane to leave.
Post by: michigancat on March 25, 2023, 01:37:29 PM
We’re going to learn a lot about tang todayI know all I need to know
Post by: 8manpick on March 25, 2023, 02:48:34 PM
QFTWe’re going to learn a lot about tang todayI know all I need to know
Post by: star seed 7 on March 25, 2023, 04:05:47 PM
QFTWe’re going to learn a lot about tang todayI know all I need to know
:pray:
Post by: stunted on March 25, 2023, 07:58:52 PM
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 25, 2023, 08:01:32 PM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 25, 2023, 08:10:14 PM
QFTWe’re going to learn a lot about tang todayI know all I need to know
Post by: kim carnes on March 25, 2023, 08:10:32 PM
We’re going to learn a lot about tang todayI know all I need to know
We know more than we did before, but we still have much to learn
Post by: michigancat on March 25, 2023, 08:12:46 PM
What did you learn?We’re going to learn a lot about tang todayI know all I need to know
We know more than we did before, but we still have much to learn
Post by: konofo on March 25, 2023, 08:20:53 PM
Nothing he hadn't already decided.What did you learn?We’re going to learn a lot about tang todayI know all I need to know
We know more than we did before, but we still have much to learn
Go cats.
kono
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 25, 2023, 08:42:24 PM
Post by: kim carnes on March 25, 2023, 09:04:29 PM
What did you learn?We’re going to learn a lot about tang todayI know all I need to know
We know more than we did before, but we still have much to learn
That he couldn’t take advantage of an incredible opportunity to make the final 4
Post by: michigancat on March 25, 2023, 09:08:05 PM
What did you learn?We’re going to learn a lot about tang todayI know all I need to know
We know more than we did before, but we still have much to learn
That he couldn’t take advantage of an incredible opportunity to make the final 4
I think he could, he just didn't. I knew it could have gone either way before the game, did you not know that?
When you get good seeds your opportunities to make the final 4 frequently seem incredible.
Post by: Powercat84 on March 25, 2023, 09:10:42 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 25, 2023, 09:38:44 PM
What did you learn?We’re going to learn a lot about tang todayI know all I need to know
We know more than we did before, but we still have much to learn
That he couldn’t take advantage of an incredible opportunity to make the final 4
I think he could, he just didn't. I knew it could have gone either way before the game, did you not know that?
When you get good seeds your opportunities to make the final 4 frequently seem incredible.
Rusty, you're an infinitely better and more patient man than I am.
Post by: michigancat on March 25, 2023, 09:40:15 PM
What did you learn?We’re going to learn a lot about tang todayI know all I need to know
We know more than we did before, but we still have much to learn
That he couldn’t take advantage of an incredible opportunity to make the final 4
I think he could, he just didn't. I knew it could have gone either way before the game, did you not know that?
When you get good seeds your opportunities to make the final 4 frequently seem incredible.
Rusty, you're an infinitely better and more patient man than I am.
Nah you're amazing and we had an amazing ride and we're grateful
Post by: OB_Won on March 25, 2023, 09:44:28 PM
Did you see the adjustments they made to stop the baseline drive or dump down low, and then pass over the defender to a backside cutter? That worked non-stop the first 15 minutes and then almost disappeared.What did you learn?We’re going to learn a lot about tang todayI know all I need to know
We know more than we did before, but we still have much to learn
That he couldn’t take advantage of an incredible opportunity to make the final 4
Did you see the adjustment to force the center to stay up by the free throw line? Did you see them move Desi down low to play defense?
I came away excited for the future. The coaching staff didn’t coach us to miss free throws.
If anything, he showed unbelievable class in the wake of Earl Walton’s officiating (Google earl walton referee). I truly hope they investigate this game, and why the money in Vegas suddenly swung 75% to FAU an hour beforehand. Probably just tinfoil, but MF his calls were tough to watch.
Either way, his already great recruiting should only improve, and he can also coach. Look how the defense and turnovers improved.
Post by: michigancat on March 25, 2023, 09:47:17 PM
Did you see the adjustments they made to stop the baseline drive or dump down low, and then pass over the defender to a backside cutter? That worked non-stop the first 15 minutes and then almost disappeared.What did you learn?We’re going to learn a lot about tang todayI know all I need to know
We know more than we did before, but we still have much to learn
That he couldn’t take advantage of an incredible opportunity to make the final 4
Did you see the adjustment to force the center to stay up by the free throw line? Did you see them move Desi down low to play defense?
I came away excited for the future. The coaching staff didn’t coach us to miss free throws.
If anything, he showed unbelievable class in the wake of Earl Walton’s officiating (Google earl walton referee). I truly hope they investigate this game, and why the money in Vegas suddenly swung 75% to FAU an hour beforehand. Probably just tinfoil, but MF his calls were tough to watch.
Either way, his already great recruiting should only improve, and he can also coach. Look how the defense and turnovers improved.
These guys will be ridiculous when they fill up a roster
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 25, 2023, 10:13:46 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 25, 2023, 10:19:29 PM
CBS should chip in to help pay Tang. He made his Cats extremely entertaining must-see TV that kept viewers to the end of our final three games.
They stopped putting coaches in the studio after they get eliminated, otherwise he'd be electric breaking the final four down.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 25, 2023, 10:20:43 PM
What did you learn?We’re going to learn a lot about tang todayI know all I need to know
We know more than we did before, but we still have much to learn
That he couldn’t take advantage of an incredible opportunity to make the final 4
I think he could, he just didn't. I knew it could have gone either way before the game, did you not know that?
When you get good seeds your opportunities to make the final 4 frequently seem incredible.
Rusty, you're an infinitely better and more patient man than I am.
Nah you're amazing and we had an amazing ride and we're grateful
You're amazinger and to be clear, I was not referring to your perspective on the team, although it is refreshing.
Post by: OB_Won on March 25, 2023, 10:22:46 PM
Post by: Tobias on March 25, 2023, 10:27:13 PM
I know it’s just Stunted and Kim, but it’s hard to fathom how people are pissed that an extremely lovable coaching staff took a team of nearly all new players to the cusp of the final four after being picked to finish dead last in the league a mere 4.5 months ago. Wild!they’re not
Post by: catastrophe on March 25, 2023, 10:37:22 PM
No one is pissed. It hurts to lose at this stage cause this was a very lovable team with guys who won’t get another chance to cut down the nets. It’s still an incredibly exciting time for KSU hoops.I know it’s just Stunted and Kim, but it’s hard to fathom how people are pissed that an extremely lovable coaching staff took a team of nearly all new players to the cusp of the final four after being picked to finish dead last in the league a mere 4.5 months ago. Wild!they’re not
Post by: stunted on March 26, 2023, 05:04:56 AM
preachy coach preaching
Post by: pissclams on March 26, 2023, 10:32:59 AM
What did you learn?We’re going to learn a lot about tang todayI know all I need to know
We know more than we did before, but we still have much to learn
That he couldn’t take advantage of an incredible opportunity to make the final 4
i guess if you just look at seeding instead of what’s on the floor then you could convince yourself that it was an easy path. he and 348 other losers man, just bums amirite?
Post by: Pete on March 26, 2023, 10:49:44 AM
I really love that he makes an attempt to lead with kindness. Even more than that, I love that he knows X's and O's really well, and even more than that I love that he has demonstrated that he is a very good recruiter, and even more than that I love that our entire fan base seems to love him and love KSU basketball WAY more than they have since before John Currie.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 26, 2023, 11:03:36 AM
My only complaint with Tang is completely superficial. I'm not an evangelical christian, and some aspects of the talking points of evangelical christians annoy me from time to time, but that is my problem not theirs.
I really love that he makes an attempt to lead with kindness. Even more than that, I love that he knows X's and O's really well, and even more than that I love that he has demonstrated that he is a very good recruiter, and even more than that I love that our entire fan base seems to love him and love KSU basketball WAY more than they have since before John Currie.
I love that he is open about his faith but is very respectful and shows tons of dignity to guys like Ish who come from a different faith tradition. That is going to go a long way, and perhaps I'm naive, but I think its genuine.
Post by: pissclams on March 26, 2023, 11:04:42 AM
Post by: Pete on March 26, 2023, 11:05:26 AM
Yes, very much agree.My only complaint with Tang is completely superficial. I'm not an evangelical christian, and some aspects of the talking points of evangelical christians annoy me from time to time, but that is my problem not theirs.
I really love that he makes an attempt to lead with kindness. Even more than that, I love that he knows X's and O's really well, and even more than that I love that he has demonstrated that he is a very good recruiter, and even more than that I love that our entire fan base seems to love him and love KSU basketball WAY more than they have since before John Currie.
I love that he is open about his faith but is very respectful and shows tons of dignity to guys like Ish who come from a different faith tradition. That is going to go a long way, and perhaps I'm naive, but I think its genuine.
Post by: Mr Bread on March 26, 2023, 11:09:51 AM
Post by: pissclams on March 26, 2023, 11:15:52 AM
He seems to me to be a guy who is very sure of he is and who he wants to be.that’s a good way of describing him
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on March 26, 2023, 11:30:34 AM
What did you learn?We’re going to learn a lot about tang todayI know all I need to know
We know more than we did before, but we still have much to learn
That he couldn’t take advantage of an incredible opportunity to make the final 4
I think he could, he just didn't. I knew it could have gone either way before the game, did you not know that?
When you get good seeds your opportunities to make the final 4 frequently seem incredible.
Rusty, you're an infinitely better and more patient man than I am.
Agreed. Rusty was the only one in purple in MSG that I saw clapping for the team's good season after the loss yesterday. Inspired me to do the same.
Post by: catastrophe on March 26, 2023, 11:45:00 AM
Not just respectful of it, he says he encourages those guys to be as passionate about their faith as he is about his.My only complaint with Tang is completely superficial. I'm not an evangelical christian, and some aspects of the talking points of evangelical christians annoy me from time to time, but that is my problem not theirs.
I really love that he makes an attempt to lead with kindness. Even more than that, I love that he knows X's and O's really well, and even more than that I love that he has demonstrated that he is a very good recruiter, and even more than that I love that our entire fan base seems to love him and love KSU basketball WAY more than they have since before John Currie.
I love that he is open about his faith but is very respectful and shows tons of dignity to guys like Ish who come from a different faith tradition. That is going to go a long way, and perhaps I'm naive, but I think its genuine.
I think it’s great. And even if you view it 100% pragmatically it’s got to be a huge boon for recruiting.
Post by: michigancat on March 26, 2023, 11:56:56 AM
This was interesting:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CqNtLptOdBv/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= (https://www.instagram.com/p/CqNtLptOdBv/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 26, 2023, 11:59:24 AM
Who can watch not a single 1 seed make it to the Elite Eight this year and believe that seeding is more than just the mandated process to organize a 64 team field?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 26, 2023, 12:08:04 PM
Tang's evangelicalism bothered me a little at first but knowing about Ish and Bayebaye(?) showed that it was my problem and not his (like Pete said). Also as long as he doesn't comment on taking away trans rights we'll be cool.Eyeroll x Infinity
This was interesting:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CqNtLptOdBv/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= (https://www.instagram.com/p/CqNtLptOdBv/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=)
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 26, 2023, 12:16:32 PM
Tang's evangelicalism bothered me a little at first but knowing about Ish and Bayebaye(?) showed that it was my problem and not his (like Pete said). Also as long as he doesn't comment on taking away trans rights we'll be cool.
This was interesting:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CqNtLptOdBv/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= (https://www.instagram.com/p/CqNtLptOdBv/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=)
Well, I'm 99.6% sure he won't be making any proclamations against any LGBTQ issue.
Post by: michigancat on March 26, 2023, 12:49:13 PM
Yeah it would be extra cruel if he didTang's evangelicalism bothered me a little at first but knowing about Ish and Bayebaye(?) showed that it was my problem and not his (like Pete said). Also as long as he doesn't comment on taking away trans rights we'll be cool.
This was interesting:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CqNtLptOdBv/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= (https://www.instagram.com/p/CqNtLptOdBv/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=)
Well, I'm 99.6% sure he won't be making any proclamations against any LGBTQ issue.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 26, 2023, 08:10:59 PM
Post by: catastrophe on March 26, 2023, 08:33:05 PM
Post by: nicname on March 26, 2023, 09:49:35 PM
https://twitter.com/kstatembb/status/1640142168558845958?s=46&t=mePkKn6StVV98h2WF84F2g
Coach Jareem crying got me crying.
Post by: cfbandyman on March 26, 2023, 10:40:59 PM
Good stuff. Tang seems like the type that will give it everything he’s got until we get a natty.
Give him the raise he's due, and I'm sure we'll somehow cross the F4 mountain, someday
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on March 27, 2023, 09:44:53 AM
Reminds me of Roy Williams. I well remember the 1989-90 KU season, when the Hawks were unranked to start the year and had a longtime assistant coach new to their program (Roy was in his second season). The Hawks didn't have much talent that year but took off, jumped into the top 5, and it was obvious to me (and everyone) that Roy was the real deal. The game when they put 150 on Kentucky that season feels similar to the 116 we put on Texas.
That KU team got to #1 in the country but didn't win the conference (the Big 8 was loaded that year) and lost in the second round of the NCAA tournament. Played out of their minds and over their ability all year, but didn't have the horses yet to finish. All seems very familiar. And exciting for the future.
Just to follow up on the parallels between Roy Williams (1990 KU) and Tang (2023 KSU):
Conference Comparison
Don't know which conference was better: 1989-90 Big Eight or 2022-23 Big XII, but both were amazing. The Big XII this year was arguably tougher in that it was deeper, but the 89-90 conference was pretty good. For example, here are the #1 teams in the country in the 89-90 AP Poll from week 8 to the final poll (week 17):
- Week 8: #1 KU (15-0)
- Week 9: #1 KU
- Week 10: #1 MU (17-1)
- Week 11: #1 MU
- Week 12: #1 MU
- Week 13: #1 KU
- Week 14: #1 MU
- Week 15: #1 KU
- Week 16: #1 OU
- Week 17: #1 OU
2023 KSU
- conference finish: 3rd
- NCAA finish: Elite Eight
- preseason AP rank: unranked
- highest AP rank: 5
- final AP rank: TBD -- top 10
- final record: 26-10 (11-7)
- Key players (awards): Markquis Nowell (All-Conf, 3rd team AA)
- Key players (awards): Keyontae Johnson (All-Conf, 3rd team AA)
- conference finish: 3rd
- NCAA finish: Rd of 32
- preseason AP rank: unranked
- highest AP rank: 1
- final AP rank: 5
- final record: 30-5 (11-3)
- Key players (awards): Kevin Pritchard (All-Conf, hon. mention AA)
- Key players (awards): Mark Randall (2d team All-Conf)
Roy had a better record and got to #1 during the season but he was also in his second season with the team and his roster, and had only gone 19-12 in his first year at KU. And Tang got KSU further in the tourney. Anyway, some real parallels between the two years (and perhaps the coaches abilities).
Post by: DQ12 on March 27, 2023, 10:10:07 AM
Exactly. I don't really know the best way to describe it, but he's got that thing where he's just got a magnetic personality. He's got a ton of confidence, but remains mostly lighthearted, and what's more, you just believe that he's 100% genuine in everything he does...I just don't get the sense that he is ever really playing for some ulterior motive. Which seems pretty rare in the broadly shady world of CBB.He seems to me to be a guy who is very sure of he is and who he wants to be.that’s a good way of describing him
Maybe it's as simple as what Bread said -- he believe he knows what it is to be a "good man" and he makes a conscious and public effort to do what it takes to become one. Maybe that's the magnetic element. Regardless, I really like having him (as a person) as our head coach. That he appears to be a very, very good basketball coach is the cherry on top.
Post by: Katpappy on March 27, 2023, 10:15:47 AM
Good stuff. Tang seems like the type that will give it everything he’s got until we get a natty.
Give him the raise he's due, and I'm sure we'll somehow cross the F4 mountain, someday
It wouldn't hurt to share some of that good fortune with the players. I'm sure they would enjoy a portion of the millions given to the coaching staff since they're the reason for the hur hur "pay coaches" banter.
Post by: Gooch on March 27, 2023, 10:24:12 AM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 27, 2023, 10:28:44 AM
Reminds me of Roy Williams. I well remember the 1989-90 KU season, when the Hawks were unranked to start the year and had a longtime assistant coach new to their program (Roy was in his second season). The Hawks didn't have much talent that year but took off, jumped into the top 5, and it was obvious to me (and everyone) that Roy was the real deal. The game when they put 150 on Kentucky that season feels similar to the 116 we put on Texas.
That KU team got to #1 in the country but didn't win the conference (the Big 8 was loaded that year) and lost in the second round of the NCAA tournament. Played out of their minds and over their ability all year, but didn't have the horses yet to finish. All seems very familiar. And exciting for the future.
Just to follow up on the parallels between Roy Williams (1990 KU) and Tang (2023 KSU):
Conference Comparison
Don't know which conference was better: 1989-90 Big Eight or 2022-23 Big XII, but both were amazing. The Big XII this year was arguably tougher in that it was deeper, but the 89-90 conference was pretty good. For example, here are the #1 teams in the country in the 89-90 AP Poll from week 8 to the final poll (week 17):Team Comparison
- Week 8: #1 KU (15-0)
- Week 9: #1 KU
- Week 10: #1 MU (17-1)
- Week 11: #1 MU
- Week 12: #1 MU
- Week 13: #1 KU
- Week 14: #1 MU
- Week 15: #1 KU
- Week 16: #1 OU
- Week 17: #1 OU
2023 KSU1990 KU
- conference finish: 3rd
- NCAA finish: Elite Eight
- preseason AP rank: unranked
- highest AP rank: 5
- final AP rank: TBD -- top 10
- final record: 26-10 (11-7)
- Key players (awards): Markquis Nowell (All-Conf, 3rd team AA)
- Key players (awards): Keyontae Johnson (All-Conf, 3rd team AA)
- conference finish: 3rd
- NCAA finish: Rd of 32
- preseason AP rank: unranked
- highest AP rank: 1
- final AP rank: 5
- final record: 30-5 (11-3)
- Key players (awards): Kevin Pritchard (All-Conf, hon. mention AA)
- Key players (awards): Mark Randall (2d team All-Conf)
Roy had a better record and got to #1 during the season but he was also in his second season with the team and his roster, and had only gone 19-12 in his first year at KU. And Tang got KSU further in the tourney. Anyway, some real parallels between the two years (and perhaps the coaches abilities).
Here’s to hoping Tang will have better NC success than Roy did while at KU! :cheers:
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 27, 2023, 05:54:57 PM
Post by: nicname on March 27, 2023, 06:11:41 PM
Roy's first year KU team was ineligible for the tourney because of Larry Brown's sins.
Also included 4 future NBA players.
Post by: IPA4Me on March 27, 2023, 07:39:44 PM
Filter some video/news searches for Tang before 2022. He's been the same man with the same phrases for a long time. Not knocking. He's just been that dude for a while now.Exactly. I don't really know the best way to describe it, but he's got that thing where he's just got a magnetic personality. He's got a ton of confidence, but remains mostly lighthearted, and what's more, you just believe that he's 100% genuine in everything he does...I just don't get the sense that he is ever really playing for some ulterior motive. Which seems pretty rare in the broadly shady world of CBB.He seems to me to be a guy who is very sure of he is and who he wants to be.that’s a good way of describing him
Maybe it's as simple as what Bread said -- he believe he knows what it is to be a "good man" and he makes a conscious and public effort to do what it takes to become one. Maybe that's the magnetic element. Regardless, I really like having him (as a person) as our head coach. That he appears to be a very, very good basketball coach is the cherry on top.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 28, 2023, 09:52:48 AM
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Post by: Reggie Singlegur on April 02, 2023, 05:42:57 PM
https://twitter.com/MarchMadnessMBB/status/1642570523778375683
Now if we can just get him the Lambert Will National Coach of the year award
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on April 02, 2023, 07:12:10 PM
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Post by: ChiComCat on April 03, 2023, 08:35:12 AM
What sort of raise is he going to get? 500k? cool mil? More?
I would think at least a mil. Below is from a newspaper about a month ago.
Big 12 Conference coaching salaries
Bill Self, Kansas $5.9 million
Chris Beard (former Texas) $5.0
Bob Huggins, West Virginia $4.2 million
Scott Drew, Baylor $3.7 million
Jamie Dixon, TCU, $3.5 million
Mark Adams, Texas Tech $3.1 million
Mike Boynton, Oklahoma State $3.0 million
Porter Moser, Oklahoma $2.8 million
Jerome Tang, Kansas State, $2.1 million
T.J. Otzelberger, Iowa State $2.0 million
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Post by: Pete on April 03, 2023, 10:12:18 AM
I'm no Gene, but if I was Gene (LOL, I could never be Gene) I'd offer Tang $4M per year.
Post by: GregKSU1027 on April 03, 2023, 10:22:47 AM
Both Dixon and Drew's numbers should be questioned, those schools don't have to disclose.4.3 just so Huggy can get a raise to go back to the three spot eventually.
I'm no Gene, but if I was Gene (LOL, I could never be Gene) I'd offer Tang $4M per year.
Post by: Purple Derpathy on April 03, 2023, 12:53:06 PM
Post by: wetwillie on April 03, 2023, 12:58:50 PM
Post by: Locked_out HoustonCat93 on April 03, 2023, 01:36:21 PM
Both Dixon and Drew's numbers should be questioned, those schools don't have to disclose.
I'm no Gene, but if I was Gene (LOL, I could never be Gene) I'd offer Tang $4M per year.
$4,000,010.81
Post by: MakeItRain on April 03, 2023, 01:44:27 PM
Post by: catastrophe on April 03, 2023, 01:52:17 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 03, 2023, 01:52:39 PM
Bump him to $3m with $200k increases every year during the term of he contract. Put in a nice bonus plan, that at least throws in another $25K to $50k for meeting the most basic requirements of the job, with higher amounts based on team and personal achievement.
Post by: pissclams on April 03, 2023, 02:53:01 PM
also lets up his PTO to three weeks per year
he will sign immediately
Post by: star seed 7 on April 03, 2023, 03:09:55 PM
Post by: stunted on April 03, 2023, 09:30:45 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on April 03, 2023, 09:55:08 PM
Come on, a $1.5 million dollar pay raise?
Bump him to $3m with $200k increases every year during the term of he contract. Put in a nice bonus plan, that at least throws in another $25K to $50k for meeting the most basic requirements of the job, with higher amounts based on team and personal achievement.
As usual with money stuff this is correct from dax. I think in general a lil over a 25% bump to 3 mil with riders and other crap if he does well will more than keep him happy.
Really also need to throw some bones at the assistants.
Post by: chum1 on April 03, 2023, 10:14:29 PM
Post by: Stevesie60 on April 03, 2023, 10:32:37 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 03, 2023, 10:52:28 PM
Post by: Pete on April 06, 2023, 09:20:54 PM
I think he would love to have unlimited pontoon boat privileges at Tuttle Creek.Including a covered slip at the marina?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 06, 2023, 09:30:49 PM
I think he would love to have unlimited pontoon boat privileges at Tuttle Creek.Including a covered slip at the marina?
a lavender lilly pad
Post by: Shooter Jones on April 07, 2023, 09:57:50 AM
Out of our top 10 donors I feel like at least one is a bigger bball fan than fball fan and knows they're in the minority and will donate a bunch of money exclusively to Tang's salary. Add in another top 10 donor who is petty and wants to be better at basketball than KU. Between those 2+ donors he'll get to 3.2mil a year. Add in churches around town that want to keep a good Christian man around in the spotlight talking about Jesus, probably up to 4.2mil. And when we make a Final 4? Double it. Easily. If we get a 2 Final 4's or 2 Big 12 Championships? He's the highest paid coach in all of the NCAA.
Naw, the donors should put money towards NIL and facility upgrades/renovations, not Tang's salary. He knows it's about the dudes.
Gene can get Tang's $ where it needs to be, and give the correct raises to his staff, support staff, mental and physical health staff, etc... without needing donor money.
Post by: kim carnes on April 07, 2023, 02:37:53 PM
Actually recent history has shown it's extremely easy to win at ksu and we probably should pay well below other jobs because it's guaranteed success
This is a good point, our last 3 coaches have gone to the ncaa tournament in their first year
Post by: OB_Won on April 07, 2023, 02:56:11 PM
Almost the last 4 coaches with Huggins going 10-6 in B12 for 4th place, and a better overall record than Martin's the next year. Also, the last 3 coaches made it to the Elite 8 within 6 seasons. (Martin=3rd, Weber=6th, Tang=1st)Actually recent history has shown it's extremely easy to win at ksu and we probably should pay well below other jobs because it's guaranteed success
This is a good point, our last 3 coaches have gone to the ncaa tournament in their first year
Post by: catastrophe on April 07, 2023, 04:15:50 PM
Post by: Hurricane Cat on July 20, 2023, 03:51:52 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 20, 2023, 03:54:01 PM
Post by: Cire on July 20, 2023, 05:37:03 PM
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Post by: pissclams on July 20, 2023, 07:41:12 PM
Post by: Cire on July 31, 2023, 10:54:30 PM
i’m hearing $9M year over 12 years, can any insiders confirm this?Did anyone ever report on the deets. How long does a KORA take. Damn
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Post by: DaBigTrain on August 15, 2023, 11:54:43 AM
Post by: Kid In the Hall on August 15, 2023, 12:48:04 PM
https://youtu.be/VUe6_hHE0v4
Post by: EMAWzifried on August 15, 2023, 04:50:02 PM
Post by: wetwillie on August 15, 2023, 10:41:37 PM
1. Kaluma is really good, damn.
2. Tomlin got a lot better in the off season, he is also really good.
3. It's really hard to watch a bad stream absent of English speaking commentary.
Post by: WildcatNkilt on August 16, 2023, 08:50:20 AM
Post by: KST8FAN on September 19, 2023, 08:57:01 AM
Tom
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Post by: Shooter Jones on September 19, 2023, 09:22:21 AM
I watched some of the first half and had the following observations
1. Kaluma is really good, damn.
2. Tomlin got a lot better in the off season, he is also really good.
3. It's really hard to watch a bad stream absent of English speaking commentary.
Add in Tylor Perry and we have a legit Big 3. If the role players can fall into their spots and the right guys can provide quality depth, we should be really damn good.
(Perry went 9 of 11 from 3 in one of the games in Isreal. WTF)
Post by: MakeItRain on September 19, 2023, 01:12:51 PM
https://www.ksnt.com/sports/kansas-state-wildcats/k-states-wabash-cannonball-featured-in-newest-nba-2k-video-game/
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That's hilarious
Post by: pissclams on September 21, 2023, 01:26:33 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on September 25, 2023, 04:05:03 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 25, 2023, 04:06:24 PM
Post by: EMAWzifried on September 25, 2023, 04:42:40 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on September 25, 2023, 04:49:23 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 25, 2023, 04:59:34 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2023, 08:59:10 PM
So how steep is the buy-out number?Good buyout for both parties
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Under the new deal, Tang would owe the school $6 million if he were to leave for another job after this season, and that number drops by $1 million each spring. If Kansas State were to terminate Tang's contract without cause before April 30, 2025, it would owe him north of $15 million. That number drops by approximately $2.5 million each spring.
Post by: 8manpick on September 25, 2023, 10:44:05 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 25, 2023, 10:48:24 PM
Seems like the buyout is bad for KSU
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Post by: kcnut on September 26, 2023, 12:08:20 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 26, 2023, 08:39:26 AM
Seems like the buyout is bad for KSU
How so?
Post by: wetwillie on September 26, 2023, 08:40:56 AM
Post by: cfbandyman on September 26, 2023, 08:49:48 AM
Post by: nicname on September 26, 2023, 09:36:38 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 26, 2023, 12:49:49 PM
I'm guessing he thinks it's too low of a barrier for him to be poached
Yeah, the higher you make that number the higher you have to make the per year salary and the other side of that buyout. Also having, a let's say a $10 million dollar payout for Tang to get out, won't deter anyone we'd be worried about poaching him, if they wanted him.
Giving your head coach a huge buyout because you are scared he's going to get poached is the easiest and most common way that athletic departments get stuck with underperforming coaches who had one or two good years but were never able to replicate it.
Post by: Spracne on September 26, 2023, 01:27:01 PM