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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: HugeCat on April 28, 2022, 10:26:14 PM
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https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1519868948187172864?s=20&t=s0s-Qdv35ba50lYzq3MKPg
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these players have been held as essentially slave labor as their only path to professionalism for so long they deserve to do whatever is best for themselves.
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Welcome to Miami, Nigel. That locker room is going to be a crap show.
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Welcome to Miami, Nigel. That locker room is going to be a crap show.
Not much of a change for him except his new crap show is ran by billionaires and cocaine addicts.
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Welcome to Miami, Nigel. That locker room is going to be a crap show.
Not much of a change for him except his new crap show is ran by billionaires and cocaine addicts.
is there any other rough ridin' cool crap going on?
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these players have been held as essentially slave labor as their only path to professionalism for so long they deserve to do whatever is best for themselves.
Give me a break. Slave labor? 200K worth of a free ride for everything. 90% of the roster doesn’t do Jack crap for the University. Stop this victim hood crap.
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these players have been held as essentially slave labor as their only path to professionalism for so long they deserve to do whatever is best for themselves.
Give me a break. Slave labor? 200K worth of a free ride for everything. 90% of the roster doesn’t do Jack crap for the University. Stop this victim hood crap.
The slave labor mindset applies to probably one person on every Division 1 basketball team who could possibly get more $$. The rest get a free education, tutoring, meals, sweet swag, and a pretty nice place to bunk. Leaving college debt free is a great head start. I'm all about an all-american getting paid for what he does for the University from a marketing perspective, but Wacky is right that 90% of the roster doesn't do jack crap. 99% of us can't even list the first and last names of all the guys who don't start.
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Who cares, if someone wants to pay them good for them
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Isaiah Wang was getting $100,000 from life wallet
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these players have been held as essentially slave labor as their only path to professionalism for so long they deserve to do whatever is best for themselves.
Give me a break. Slave labor? 200K worth of a free ride for everything. 90% of the roster doesn’t do Jack crap for the University. Stop this victim hood crap.
The slave labor mindset applies to probably one person on every Division 1 basketball team who could possibly get more $$. The rest get a free education, tutoring, meals, sweet swag, and a pretty nice place to bunk. Leaving college debt free is a great head start. I'm all about an all-american getting paid for what he does for the University from a marketing perspective, but Wacky is right that 90% of the roster doesn't do jack crap. 99% of us can't even list the first and last names of all the guys who don't start.
Exactly, and now that person can actually make that money and the rest can continue getting school paid for. Win for everyone.
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Who cares, if someone wants to pay them good for them
That’s fine. Don’t refer to it as slave labor tho if they don’t get “paid”.
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There should have been a max payout for NIL. This is going to turn into a crap show of jealousy and greed.
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Smaller schools will still be left in the dust. Nothing has changed. It’s just public now.
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Welcome to Miami, Nigel. That locker room is going to be a crap show.
Not much of a change for him except his new crap show is ran by billionaires and cocaine addicts.
that sounds like it rules
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Smaller schools will still be left in the dust. Nothing has changed. It’s just public now.
Yea and there's really no way to corral it either without stepping on the decision to originally allow it. I didn't read a lot about the specifics of the court's ruling, but if I understand it correctly the NCAA doesn't have the right to restrict earning potential in this area. It will just come down to who has the highest capability to pay players without getting the return on what the players are actually providing with their name.
I've debated looking into creating a fund where kstate donors can give money and the fund would be used to pay players. The benefit is the fund would earn returns and roughly 10% of the original donation would go to the players each year, but it would pay out that 10% essentially in perpetuity.
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At the heart of it, I think student-athletes being just that would be the path. The devaluing of free education and all the other perks is sad, as is the fall of amateurism. But you can’t really have that anyway with college sports becoming huge business and coaches, clothing companies and networks making ungodly amounts of money.
The other side of the coin is how will these athletes been seen going forward? They aren’t just “kids” who have ups and downs and make mistakes. Especially w/ deals like this Miami stuff, these dudes are professional athletes and will have to deal with all of the negatives that come with that as well as the money.
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Smaller schools will still be left in the dust. Nothing has changed. It’s just public now.
Yea and there's really no way to corral it either without stepping on the decision to originally allow it. I didn't read a lot about the specifics of the court's ruling, but if I understand it correctly the NCAA doesn't have the right to restrict earning potential in this area. It will just come down to who has the highest capability to pay players without getting the return on what the players are actually providing with their name.
I've debated looking into creating a fund where kstate donors can give money and the fund would be used to pay players. The benefit is the fund would earn returns and roughly 10% of the original donation would go to the players each year, but it would pay out that 10% essentially in perpetuity.
Whoa, slow down James Sperman
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Smaller schools will still be left in the dust. Nothing has changed. It’s just public now.
Yea and there's really no way to corral it either without stepping on the decision to originally allow it. I didn't read a lot about the specifics of the court's ruling, but if I understand it correctly the NCAA doesn't have the right to restrict earning potential in this area. It will just come down to who has the highest capability to pay players without getting the return on what the players are actually providing with their name.
I've debated looking into creating a fund where kstate donors can give money and the fund would be used to pay players. The benefit is the fund would earn returns and roughly 10% of the original donation would go to the players each year, but it would pay out that 10% essentially in perpetuity.
Whoa, slow down James Sperman
I like to think big and never follow through, sd
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Also, who is James Sperman? :dunno:
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It’s a ksufans deep cut
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It’s a ksufans deep cut
Boo yah
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At the heart of it, I think student-athletes being just that would be the path. The devaluing of free education and all the other perks is sad, as is the fall of amateurism. But you can’t really have that anyway with college sports becoming huge business and coaches, clothing companies and networks making ungodly amounts of money.
The other side of the coin is how will these athletes been seen going forward? They aren’t just “kids” who have ups and downs and make mistakes. Especially w/ deals like this Miami stuff, these dudes are professional athletes and will have to deal with all of the negatives that come with that as well as the money.
A higher level of criticism will be brought down on those athletes who have big NIL deals and suck. They lose their "just a kid" defense (because they are young professionals getting paid for doing their job).
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https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1520154963401449472?s=20&t=-ukupJv_UonyOgS3AYhE1g
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It’s a ksufans deep cut
Boo yah
:ROFL:
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I listened to the Curry Sexton interview on KMan and K state is not going to push the boundaries by offering NIL money as a recruitment incentive. They’re going to do how it was intended and reward players that perform after they’ve signed/played/performed/deserved NIL money. Typical k state. Always losing but hanging onto that moral high ground that nobody gives a crap about. This is just my opinion, but I wouldn’t count on getting any high profile recruits (Antoine Davis/Shawn Phillips) with the kind of money that’s being thrown around for players before they ever see the court/field.
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I don't think that's particularly true with regards to using NIL as a recruitment tool. First of all, it's worth noting that using NIL as a recruitment tool is really the only thing that's explicitly banned by the NCAA. Sure, there's the question about enforceability, but an attorney isn't going to verbally flaunt NCAA rules on a radio interview. He stopped short of doing what Iowa State's single collective said, they were explicit about not using NIL to pay incoming players. Secondly, I do think using NIL to attract incoming players will be very rare for all schools. The reason the Pack/LifeWallet deal was so noteworthy was because of how rare it is. Trying to outbid schools for transfers will get very expensive very quickly and I don't know how many collectives are willing and able to do that. It's pretty simple, would you rather spend $400,000 on Antoine Davis or Deuce?
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I hope you’re right. I was initially pretty pumped about our name image likeness efforts. But unless “big-time“ recruits can be enticed by showing them examples of what previous student athletes have received and a promise to talk after they sign or show up on campus, I’m starting to get a bad feeling about the way name image likeness is moving.
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No doubt that the direction of NIL isn't great and far from it's intent, however it's really a math issue. If every basketball program has to replace 5-7 players every year and every football program has to replace 25 players a year, there isn't enough money for all of these guys to put their services up for bid. Yeah, they'll be some but trying to buy every new player you're trying to put on scholarship isn't sustainable, for everyone.
It even seems as if LifeWallet shot their load with Pack. I'm guessing if you asked Miami fans two weeks ago would they rather have Pack or Wing, they're picking Wong. LifeWallet doesn't want to commit the means to retaining the leader on the team that got them to their first elite 8.
I'm willing to bet that Pack deal was less about Pack and more about John Ruiz. The problem with that is did he possibly set a baseline expectation for a lot of Miami's prospective athletes? He'll be broke by September.
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nah, i looked on their board and they are telling Wong to eff off lol
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nah, i looked on their board and they are telling Wong to eff off lol
well of course they are now, that's why I said two weeks ago. We're not expecting college sports fans to be tolerant of college athletes essentially making themselves free agents, are we?
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"Where we erred was focusing on educating our athletes about NIL and not just collecting cash and paying kids to come to Wichita State," Boatright said in a previous interview. "We were told all along this was not pay-for-play, but now it appears the NCAA has no problems with that, so why not?"
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/33856428/wichita-state-shockers-fire-athletic-director-darron-boatright-amid-criticism-school-compete-nil-market
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"Where we erred was focusing on educating our athletes about NIL and not just collecting cash and paying kids to come to Wichita State," Boatright said in a previous interview. "We were told all along this was not pay-for-play, but now it appears the NCAA has no problems with that, so why not?"
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/33856428/wichita-state-shockers-fire-athletic-director-darron-boatright-amid-criticism-school-compete-nil-market
came here to post this too, pretty crazy reason for a firing imo...
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:lol:
https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wichita-state/article261096362.html
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"Where we erred was focusing on educating our athletes about NIL and not just collecting cash and paying kids to come to Wichita State," Boatright said in a previous interview. "We were told all along this was not pay-for-play, but now it appears the NCAA has no problems with that, so why not?"
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/33856428/wichita-state-shockers-fire-athletic-director-darron-boatright-amid-criticism-school-compete-nil-market
came here to post this too, pretty crazy reason for a firing imo...
:lol:
https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wichita-state/article261096362.html
Remember what I said about fans and Jerome Tang? One of the reasons the fans wanted this dude fired is because of Isaac Brown. That dude won a conference championship his first year, only the second WSU coach to do so, and a very vocal component of their fan base already want him fired. There were literally 2 players on the roster when he took the job and that team he built immediately won a conference championship. He is in real jeopardy of getting fired in year 3 if he doesn't make the tournament, it's insane.
And lol at those idiots blaming the AD for them not having no NIL money, that isn't on the AD, it's on them. It is not surprising at all to any Wichitans or former Wichitans that they don't have any NIL money. Wichita businesses have no interest in even contributing to the betterment of their community, build a rough ridin' park, they sure in the eff aren't going to give money to black boys to dribble a ball. Imagine crying about not having NIL money while buying billboards to call for an AD firing, pathetic. They should just focus on firing university presidents for not being woke enough, they do that very well.
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It is not surprising at all to any Wichitans or former Wichitans that they don't have any NIL money. Wichita businesses have no interest in even contributing to the betterment of their community, build a rough ridin' park, they sure in the eff aren't going to give money to black boys to dribble a ball.
It’s a little surprising to me in the sense that some local individuals and businesses were way too in to wsu basketball and baseball than they should be for having no connection to the school other than it being a business located in the same city as them. Like, no, nurse handling my ball radiation, that this is taking place 4 miles from where that campus is does not mean I have any thought on them winning a basketball tournament game.
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It is not surprising at all to any Wichitans or former Wichitans that they don't have any NIL money. Wichita businesses have no interest in even contributing to the betterment of their community, build a rough ridin' park, they sure in the eff aren't going to give money to black boys to dribble a ball.
It’s a little surprising to me in the sense that some local individuals and businesses were way too in to wsu basketball and baseball than they should be for having no connection to the school other than it being a business located in the same city as them. Like, no, nurse handling my ball radiation, that this is taking place 4 miles from where that campus is does not mean I have any thought on them winning a basketball tournament game.
brokies tho
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It is not surprising at all to any Wichitans or former Wichitans that they don't have any NIL money. Wichita businesses have no interest in even contributing to the betterment of their community, build a rough ridin' park, they sure in the eff aren't going to give money to black boys to dribble a ball.
It’s a little surprising to me in the sense that some local individuals and businesses were way too in to wsu basketball and baseball than they should be for having no connection to the school other than it being a business located in the same city as them. Like, no, nurse handling my ball radiation, that this is taking place 4 miles from where that campus is does not mean I have any thought on them winning a basketball tournament game.
brokies tho
Thought there’d be intrust bank debit cards with player faces on them and autograph signings of $12.99 shirts at dillons.
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It is not surprising at all to any Wichitans or former Wichitans that they don't have any NIL money. Wichita businesses have no interest in even contributing to the betterment of their community, build a rough ridin' park, they sure in the eff aren't going to give money to black boys to dribble a ball.
It’s a little surprising to me in the sense that some local individuals and businesses were way too in to wsu basketball and baseball than they should be for having no connection to the school other than it being a business located in the same city as them. Like, no, nurse handling my ball radiation, that this is taking place 4 miles from where that campus is does not mean I have any thought on them winning a basketball tournament game.
brokies tho
Thought there’d be intrust bank debit cards with player faces on them and autograph signings of $12.99 shirts at dillons.
That'd be lit, the debit card part, I couldn't imagine, as a college student having to sit at the south Broadway Dillons signing shirts, woof. I just saw a rough ridin' fantastic NIL deal that I'm going to post in one of the other 8 NIL threads.
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Welp, guess I'm putting it here. Anyway, this is a great NIL deal and exactly how it should work. Good for Bacot.
https://twitter.com/RossMartin_IC/status/1521886461733310467
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Welp, guess I'm putting it here. Anyway, this is a great NIL deal and exactly how it should work. Good for Bacot.
[tweet]1521886461733310467[/tweet]
Thanks, Raindrops, I am very passionate about thread integrity. You might call it my personal obsession.
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I'm looking forward to these Bacot bits.
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1523730731192578049?s=20&t=xmoR0xQZHdUgWLx7YjyTSQ
Where do the Chinese want him to play?
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:confused:
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any NIL that's not briggs auto or kanequip probably isn't a good thing for us here
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1523730731192578049?s=20&t=xmoR0xQZHdUgWLx7YjyTSQ
Where do the Chinese want him to play?
Goodman deleted the Maryland or BYU tweet right after he posted this. I'm guessing someone from Davis' camp fed him the glowballs tip in exchange of him taking the previous tweet down.
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any NIL that's not briggs auto or kanequip probably isn't a good thing for us here
hur hur hur
Y'all don't get tired of the same cornball crap?
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it's kanequip or cry
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it's kanequip or cry
I'm certain you're trolling but in case you're not you should probably check the NIL deals our athletes have signed. The only local one is that maga car dealer that let Nijel drive their car.
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https://twitter.com/scottwildcat/status/1523733990578221056
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https://twitter.com/Youngdvs13/status/1523736431025287168
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He went back to Detroit :lol:
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Called it!
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He gets to keep playing for his dad. Keep getting enough shots to make a run at the top 5 all time NCAA scorers, and none of the schools were unwilling/unable to meet his NIL number.
It makes perfect sense for him.
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he had already peaked freshman year. doesn't want to challenge himself, scared of getting exposed. not a winning player.
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not a loss imo. would have been a great get, but im not gonna cry over a kid wanting to stick out another year w his dad. cant imagine nil would mean too much to a kid who is already loaded anyway.
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cant imagine nil would mean too much to a kid who is already loaded anyway.
well, it definitely did
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They're giving him balls. To get money, he needs to sell them.
https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1523774814141378560
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(https://image.made-in-china.com/202f0j00DUdYESNzOLpu/Custom-Outdoor-LED-Light-up-Golf-Balls-Glow-in-The-Dark-Night-Glow-Golf-Balls.jpg)
Are you telling me we just had to give the kid 20,000 of these things? :curse:
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They're giving him balls. To get money, he needs to sell them.
https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1523774814141378560
They should enlist AC/DC for help with a catchy ball-themed jingle.
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That sounds more like a bullshit job than an NIL deal.
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(https://image.made-in-china.com/202f0j00DUdYESNzOLpu/Custom-Outdoor-LED-Light-up-Golf-Balls-Glow-in-The-Dark-Night-Glow-Golf-Balls.jpg)
Are you telling me we just had to give the kid 20,000 of these things? :curse:
@Trim Going to make a purple asterisk out of these
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He's not super loaded necessarily...Mike Davis has made some good $, but not crazy $ the last couple decades...but yeah, he's probably not gonna bust his balls to sell those glow balls
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I'm just waiting to see who gets that coveted Tupperware NIL deal.
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That sounds more like a bullshit job than an NIL deal.
Yet before NIL players couldn't do something like this, is total crap. He'll probably just have someone set up an online store and if be shocked if Detroit Mercy isn't going to help him somehow.
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I'm just waiting to see who gets that coveted Tupperware NIL deal.
Cutco
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Well, this is definitely a bummer.
https://twitter.com/manhattanbrew/status/1526562763102998533?s=20&t=GhKKvRLikyFQUTVc7BsUdw
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if they were smart they would do like Abita and make a root beer. So then that sweet NIL money can come from root beer sales (officially) even though let's be real its the booze sales
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we're mumped
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https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1529459181559873537?s=20&t=afU8v_DvgCEEykMMFwzUjQ
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ugh
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I don't take anything any coach says at face value. And especially Tang. I think he's quite a crafty SOB.
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I don't take anything any coach says at face value. And especially Tang. I think he's quite a crafty SOB.
90% of this board spent the past 10 years doing exactly that.
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I don't take anything any coach says at face value. And especially Tang. I think he's quite a crafty SOB.
So, you think he publicly says this but privately pulls recruits aside, says jklol and drops bags?
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I don't take anything any coach says at face value. And especially Tang. I think he's quite a crafty SOB.
So, you think he publicly says this but privately pulls recruits aside, says jklol and drops bags?
That doesn't sound very crafty.
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yeah that’s like level 2 crafty on a 14 point scale
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It's like any other player, the better they are the more a coach will bend their "rules" for.