Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 12:30:07 PM
I feel like there should bea separate thread dissecting oscar's last press conference. I thought he came across as more bitter than he did at the Big 12 Press Conference. His redass has always been overrated.
He didn't thank Gene, he thanked the other 3 ADs and UPs he worked for. It's obvious Gene asked him to retire and oscar's wife said, eff naw homie.
Post by: 'taterblast on March 10, 2022, 12:38:52 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 12:44:35 PM
Post by: nicname on March 10, 2022, 12:47:14 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 10, 2022, 12:47:35 PM
Post by: Trim on March 10, 2022, 12:48:42 PM
I’m also as I type this at the part about social media asking how to get more fans. When I saw that on twitter, I heard something about “beer” and now I realize it was to “look in the mirror.” Def should’ve gone with the beer.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 12:49:10 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 12:50:34 PM
Haven't finished it all but the part of him vying for another job and kinda hinting at taking players with him is cringey.
I didn't hear that. I'm fine with any player who wants to follow him to the Ohio Valley Conference or the Sun Belt.
Post by: Trim on March 10, 2022, 12:56:12 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on March 10, 2022, 12:57:47 PM
I’ll have to watch this later. Thought I could work with it in the background but I end up hearing something crazy and rewinding and realizing I missed other stuff. But seems like KSU should’ve had him release an approved written statement and left it at that in exchange for the firing-and-full-pay-while-calling-it-a-resignation.
Absolutely. Particularly with oscar signaling last night that he is going out guns blazing with his hair comments.
Post by: wetwillie on March 10, 2022, 12:59:22 PM
Post by: CNS on March 10, 2022, 01:09:32 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 10, 2022, 01:17:34 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 01:36:52 PM
Was he even on social media at IL?
It wasn't really a thing, he's referring to twitter and IG. Twitter was only 3 years old when he got here and IG wasn't even a thing yet. He's 100% right about shitty people ruining team social media accounts with prickish tweets that run against the best interests of the team and the fans. Where he's wrong is that every school not named Iowa State have shitpost replies to their tweets.
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 10, 2022, 01:37:59 PM
Haven't finished it all but the part of him vying for another job and kinda hinting at taking players with him is cringey.
I didn't hear that. I'm fine with any player who wants to follow him to the Ohio Valley Conference or the Sun Belt.
What program is going to hire a 65 year old coach who appears to be in decline? Maybe his alma mater, which has an opening, if they have no interest in actually moving the program forword, something oscar has twice demonstrated he can't do. But yeah if they do and he could take Ish and Kasubuke with him, by all means.
Post by: wetwillie on March 10, 2022, 01:40:27 PM
Post by: Winters on March 10, 2022, 01:45:21 PM
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 10, 2022, 01:46:08 PM
Post by: steve dave on March 10, 2022, 02:04:20 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 10, 2022, 02:08:17 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on March 10, 2022, 02:17:35 PM
Post by: Pete on March 10, 2022, 02:19:02 PM
Eat crap, oscar.I agree
Post by: Pete on March 10, 2022, 02:19:43 PM
This lmao thing cements my (sd, #1 poster) original take that oscar is a loser who we should have never hired. Nice work by me as usual.Yes, agree. Please DM lottery numbers too. TIa.
Post by: chum1 on March 10, 2022, 02:22:11 PM
Post by: nicname on March 10, 2022, 02:23:49 PM
When he took us to the elite 8 without our best player, half this board still couldn’t accept him. You guys don’t deserve good things.
The facts that oscar never got a fair shake from a not insignificant portion of our fanbase, and that oscar brought/brings a lot of negative attention his own way aren't mutually exclusive.
Post by: Pete on March 10, 2022, 02:27:09 PM
Well, the rough ridin' tree fell in the Illinois woods and we heard it long before he got to KSU.When he took us to the elite 8 without our best player, half this board still couldn’t accept him. You guys don’t deserve good things.
The facts that oscar never got a fair shake from a not insignificant portion of our fanbase, and that oscar brought/brings a lot of negative attention his own way aren't mutually exclusive.
Post by: j rake on March 10, 2022, 04:22:14 PM
my goals for k-state hoops are simple:
1. beat kansas once every four years.
2. be good enough to not get relegated to having all your games on ESPN+ or ESPNNews.
3. be good enough where k-state's crap fans care enough to fill bramlage to half capacity or more on a weeknight.
4. make a deep ncaa tourney run once per decade.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 10, 2022, 04:33:43 PM
fantastic presser, one of the best ever. fan expectations at k-state are too unrealistic. everyone wants and expects k-state to contend for a big 12 title every couple years, or at worst finish top three, and to make the ncaa tourney every year or close to it. well, that is simply never gonna happen.
my goals for k-state hoops are simple:
1. beat kansas once every four years.
2. be good enough to not get relegated to having all your games on ESPN+ or ESPNNews.
3. be good enough where k-state's crap fans care enough to fill bramlage to half capacity or more on a weeknight.
4. make a deep ncaa tourney run once per decade.
we don't settle for 2nd when 1st is available.
Post by: ben ji on March 10, 2022, 04:38:13 PM
fantastic presser, one of the best ever. fan expectations at k-state are too unrealistic. everyone wants and expects k-state to contend for a big 12 title every couple years, or at worst finish top three, and to make the ncaa tourney every year or close to it. well, that is simply never gonna happen.
my goals for k-state hoops are simple:
1. beat kansas once every four years.
2. be good enough to not get relegated to having all your games on ESPN+ or ESPNNews.
3. be good enough where k-state's crap fans care enough to fill bramlage to half capacity or more on a weeknight.
4. make a deep ncaa tourney run once per decade.
My kstate bball expectations are pretty similar to football
1. Make the tourney/bowl game 4/5 years.
2. Seriously contend for a conference title once every 5 years.
3. Deep run once every 10ish years (Elite 8/NYD bowl)
4. Keep fans interested
If Klieman wins the big12 this year then has 3 straight years where Kstate fails to make a bowl game he would be gone as well.
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 10, 2022, 04:38:26 PM
fantastic presser, one of the best ever. fan expectations at k-state are too unrealistic. everyone wants and expects k-state to contend for a big 12 title every couple years, or at worst finish top three, and to make the ncaa tourney every year or close to it. well, that is simply never gonna happen.
my goals for k-state hoops are simple:
1. beat kansas once every four years.
2. be good enough to not get relegated to having all your games on ESPN+ or ESPNNews.
3. be good enough where k-state's crap fans care enough to fill bramlage to half capacity or more on a weeknight.
4. make a deep ncaa tourney run once per decade.
We've outed Oscar.
Post by: Winters on March 10, 2022, 04:52:02 PM
Post by: Pete on March 10, 2022, 04:59:53 PM
When he brought up the Doug Gottlieb part being the "most ridiculous thing ever" that was super funny and my highlight of the whole presser.I found it funny that a dude who has finished rough ridin' last in the conference for three years in a row was talking down about anyone else
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 05:14:24 PM
The stuff he says never bothered me. By the same token, I never got horned up over the stuff Frank said. But I enjoy stuff in my own weird ways. I guess I need a new avatar.
Frank was corny as eff, everyone knew it but most ignored it because the basketball was a fever dream coming off the previous decade of crap. IIRC you were actually one of the people that pointed this out while he was here.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 05:16:28 PM
Haven't finished it all but the part of him vying for another job and kinda hinting at taking players with him is cringey.
I didn't hear that. I'm fine with any player who wants to follow him to the Ohio Valley Conference or the Sun Belt.
What program is going to hire a 65 year old coach who appears to be in decline? Maybe his alma mater, which has an opening, if they have no interest in actually moving the program forword, something oscar has twice demonstrated he can't do. But yeah if they do and he could take Ish and Kasubuke with him, by all means.
If he gets another head coaching job will you go away too?
Post by: Winters on March 10, 2022, 05:18:34 PM
YES!When he brought up the Doug Gottlieb part being the "most ridiculous thing ever" that was super funny and my highlight of the whole presser.I found it funny that a dude who has finished rough ridin' last in the conference for three years in a row was talking down about anyone else
Post by: Cire on March 10, 2022, 05:21:28 PM
Upper half, post season of some kind and occasionally competing for big 12 like we did for about a decade before the last three years is unrealistic?
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 05:25:10 PM
Why do people keep saying ksu fans have too high expectations?
It pisses me off so much, it's insulting to any fan base, it's a losers mentality to place artificial limitations on really anyone, and it doesn't reflect how easy it is to win in college basketball.
Post by: chum1 on March 10, 2022, 05:31:27 PM
The stuff he says never bothered me. By the same token, I never got horned up over the stuff Frank said. But I enjoy stuff in my own weird ways. I guess I need a new avatar.
Frank was corny as eff, everyone knew it but most ignored it because the basketball was a fever dream coming off the previous decade of crap. IIRC you were actually one of the people that pointed this out while he was here.
Yeah, to me it was exactly the same as when we started getting good in football in Snyder's first years. We weren't getting a gourmet meal. We were rough ridin' starving.
Post by: Phil Titola on March 11, 2022, 01:59:26 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 11, 2022, 02:05:27 PM
I don't think I need to watch this based on the comments. It would only confirm my opinion of him. See ya oscar.
You know I've defended oscar and I'll continue to do so but a lot of that press conference was even a bit much for me. I don't know why people are saying that K-State shouldn't have given him the platform, it was a bad look for him, not for the school, and he would have talked anyway, better to do it on our platform rather than with Soren Petro or Bob Lutz.
Post by: nicname on March 11, 2022, 02:33:13 PM
Suck ass for three years, make a nice little speech after your last game, refuse to retire gracefully, the burn bridges down on your way out while taking some blame but mostly making excuses. It’d be nice to have a Robbie Hummel on this team.
Post by: catastrophe on March 11, 2022, 03:04:26 PM
If you think about it, it’s all classic oscar.It’s been said before, but I really don’t give a crap what our coach’s demeanor is as long as he’s not breaking rules or chasing away good guys. If oscar was getting KSU into the tournament 8/10 years I’d think his quirks were adorable and the whiny baby attitude was just a motivator for our guys.
Suck ass for three years, make a nice little speech after your last game, refuse to retire gracefully, the burn bridges down on your way out while taking some blame but mostly making excuses. It’d be nice to have a Robbie Hummel on this team.
It’s not like I’d have any more tolerance for a coach who could finish terribly 3 consecutive years but was able to explain humbly and in detail what he was doing wrong.
Post by: Spracne on March 11, 2022, 03:08:18 PM
If you think about it, it’s all classic oscar.It’s been said before, but I really don’t give a crap what our coach’s demeanor is as long as he’s not breaking rules or chasing away good guys. If oscar was getting KSU into the tournament 8/10 years I’d think his quirks were adorable and the whiny baby attitude was just a motivator for our guys.
Suck ass for three years, make a nice little speech after your last game, refuse to retire gracefully, the burn bridges down on your way out while taking some blame but mostly making excuses. It’d be nice to have a Robbie Hummel on this team.
It’s not like I’d have any more tolerance for a coach who could finish terribly 3 consecutive years but was able to explain humbly and in detail what he was doing wrong.
But your profanity filter is on, which makes me question your credibility....
Post by: catastrophe on March 11, 2022, 03:11:41 PM
Post by: Spracne on March 11, 2022, 03:18:22 PM
eff off you little crap
Quoting you to show you how it's done, soy boy.
Post by: asava on March 11, 2022, 03:41:46 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 11, 2022, 05:37:04 PM
Oscar's presser was a good reminder that the only reason he got where he is was a serious cocktail of him baiting people into feeling sorry for him and stupid luck. The groveling was just downright shameful.
Horrible take from a good poster, you hate to see it. The people who are seemingly the least attached seem to be the most emotional about this stuff.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 11, 2022, 06:07:38 PM
Oscar's presser was a good reminder that the only reason he got where he is was a serious cocktail of him baiting people into feeling sorry for him and stupid luck. The groveling was just downright shameful.Woof! There’s a lot of truth behind his final message. Like @Mir said earlier, he gives you answers you don’t want to hear and not PR coach speak. This makes him vulnerable to anti Brucers, but goaddan I love it. I hope we all get a farewell speech when our days are done with our employer. The ppl mad about his last press conference speech, are the ones that know they bullied him and faded out during his success here. It is what it is.
Post by: asava on March 11, 2022, 06:16:24 PM
oscar's story about driving 9 hours (not a lot by the way) to Western Kentucky to land a job in the college ranks only to be forgotten about and then offered a pity job after is a pretty rough ridin' perfect allegory for his career in general. Despite his lack of talent or skill, his vanilla flavor and digestible ethics have landed him in some opportunistic positions. The remainder of the presser was spent justifying why his ship shouldn't be sinking while it was three years (at least) under water and that he should be given a new ship despite his history of ship sinking; tangental rants about how kids don't understand pay phones aside--even though this is great insight into why he's a sub-par recruiter. Blame politics are all fine and good, but claiming to be holier than thou in a league as morally corrupt as the NCAA only makes you the nicest exploiter. I did really like how he completely skipped over Wooly tho.
There was a fairly funny story posted by Gary Parrish on twitter where Gary talked about how Tom Izzo felt bad for Webz having to make a drive to visit the same recruit Izzo was flying in his private jet to talk to. After a whole plane ride of Oscar saying "thank you" probably too many times, Izzo informed GP that he did it because "if he lost a recruit to Weber he knew it wouldn't be because Weber was underhanded." Nice story. Unless, like Brucey's presser, you actually think about it. Izzo gave a ride to him because Weber wasn't ever a threat. Easy for a wolf to invite a lamb to dinner.
If you choose to buy every ounce of what oscar said on its surface without reconciling the fact that all of it is actually indicative of why he shouldn't have been hired in the first place that's on you.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 11, 2022, 06:29:40 PM
Post by: Spracne on March 11, 2022, 06:30:40 PM
Woolridge got more grace on his way out vs. oscar. That’s fine if you hate him, he’s a dork. But he won 2 conference championships and went to an elite 8. Meanwhile, the Frankers keep quiet about his 1 tourney appearance in 10 years at South Carolina, because he’s likable. I respect his mic drop on the way out and he blocked me on Twitter. Hope he kills it somewhere next! Nothing he said on his way out was wrong.
Would you support Frank coming back to the clowder?
Post by: wetwillie on March 11, 2022, 06:30:56 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 11, 2022, 06:32:48 PM
No!Woolridge got more grace on his way out vs. oscar. That’s fine if you hate him, he’s a dork. But he won 2 conference championships and went to an elite 8. Meanwhile, the Frankers keep quiet about his 1 tourney appearance in 10 years at South Carolina, because he’s likable. I respect his mic drop on the way out and he blocked me on Twitter. Hope he kills it somewhere next! Nothing he said on his way out was wrong.
Would you support Frank coming back to the clowder?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 11, 2022, 06:34:52 PM
He’s been to the sweet 16 at three straight schools, dude can coach. He’s also stubborn and unwilling to adapt so got his ass fired from the last two. Incredibly weird dude that is allergic to personal responsibility and has a massive red ass about most things.Agreed
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 11, 2022, 06:37:23 PM
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 11, 2022, 09:27:00 PM
Woolridge got more grace on his way out vs. oscar. That’s fine if you hate him, he’s a dork. But he won 2 conference championships and went to an elite 8. Meanwhile, the Frankers keep quiet about his 1 tourney appearance in 10 years at South Carolina, because he’s likable. I respect his mic drop on the way out and he blocked me on Twitter. Hope he kills it somewhere next! Nothing he said on his way out was wrong.r
You're not ruining my buzz with your misplace remorse. He should never have beeen hired and fired after the "nice guy" ran off a team of his own recruits.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 11, 2022, 09:28:28 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 11, 2022, 10:26:47 PM
First off, thank you for the compliment. Second off, I'm emotionally unavailable ALWAYS.
oscar's story about driving 9 hours (not a lot by the way) to Western Kentucky to land a job in the college ranks only to be forgotten about and then offered a pity job after is a pretty rough ridin' perfect allegory for his career in general. Despite his lack of talent or skill, his vanilla flavor and digestible ethics have landed him in some opportunistic positions. The remainder of the presser was spent justifying why his ship shouldn't be sinking while it was three years (at least) under water and that he should be given a new ship despite his history of ship sinking; tangental rants about how kids don't understand pay phones aside--even though this is great insight into why he's a sub-par recruiter. Blame politics are all fine and good, but claiming to be holier than thou in a league as morally corrupt as the NCAA only makes you the nicest exploiter. I did really like how he completely skipped over Wooly tho.
There was a fairly funny story posted by Gary Parrish on twitter where Gary talked about how Tom Izzo felt bad for Webz having to make a drive to visit the same recruit Izzo was flying in his private jet to talk to. After a whole plane ride of Oscar saying "thank you" probably too many times, Izzo informed GP that he did it because "if he lost a recruit to Weber he knew it wouldn't be because Weber was underhanded." Nice story. Unless, like Brucey's presser, you actually think about it. Izzo gave a ride to him because Weber wasn't ever a threat. Easy for a wolf to invite a lamb to dinner.
If you choose to buy every ounce of what oscar said on its surface without reconciling the fact that all of it is actually indicative of why he shouldn't have been hired in the first place that's on you.
That's fine and all but the thing I took exception to was you hinting that his success was due to anything other than being a good, but not great basketball coach. All that other trick voodoo crap you were talking about is :bs:
Post by: ben ji on March 11, 2022, 10:45:59 PM
First off, thank you for the compliment. Second off, I'm emotionally unavailable ALWAYS.
oscar's story about driving 9 hours (not a lot by the way) to Western Kentucky to land a job in the college ranks only to be forgotten about and then offered a pity job after is a pretty rough ridin' perfect allegory for his career in general. Despite his lack of talent or skill, his vanilla flavor and digestible ethics have landed him in some opportunistic positions. The remainder of the presser was spent justifying why his ship shouldn't be sinking while it was three years (at least) under water and that he should be given a new ship despite his history of ship sinking; tangental rants about how kids don't understand pay phones aside--even though this is great insight into why he's a sub-par recruiter. Blame politics are all fine and good, but claiming to be holier than thou in a league as morally corrupt as the NCAA only makes you the nicest exploiter. I did really like how he completely skipped over Wooly tho.
There was a fairly funny story posted by Gary Parrish on twitter where Gary talked about how Tom Izzo felt bad for Webz having to make a drive to visit the same recruit Izzo was flying in his private jet to talk to. After a whole plane ride of Oscar saying "thank you" probably too many times, Izzo informed GP that he did it because "if he lost a recruit to Weber he knew it wouldn't be because Weber was underhanded." Nice story. Unless, like Brucey's presser, you actually think about it. Izzo gave a ride to him because Weber wasn't ever a threat. Easy for a wolf to invite a lamb to dinner.
If you choose to buy every ounce of what oscar said on its surface without reconciling the fact that all of it is actually indicative of why he shouldn't have been hired in the first place that's on you.
I'm just excited that asava cares enough to post on this blog again. Welcome back Asava, lets catch some trout this summer and daydream about how many big12 titles Brad will win.
Post by: steve dave on March 12, 2022, 02:11:25 PM
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2022, 02:18:15 PM
lmao, oscar gtfo loser
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNrEhYvXEAQy2M_?format=jpg&name=medium)
:dunno: the man said he was going to coach again, he was pretty clear he wasn't retiring. He also said something to the effect of "one day I hope Megan and I can come back."
Fitz has an extensive history of promulgating absurd rumors that he's never been held to account to prove them, he's also been very unprofessional when it comes to oscar. There was no indication this was set up was even a possiblity, it all sounds totally made up.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 12, 2022, 02:20:43 PM
Post by: chum1 on March 12, 2022, 02:30:00 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2022, 02:38:21 PM
Is that the "It's Patterson" guy?
Yes.
Also there's a reason he did this as a message board post instead of an article for his website. Could you imagine the traffic he'd get with this as a headline? He didn't even tweet it out. He did use his twitter to dox some dude who is neighbors with oscar though.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 12, 2022, 02:49:57 PM
Who hires that crap now? You want that whining, deflecting BS now fired twice for sucking absolute crap as your star coach?
He'd better hope Keady and Izzo start a search firm soon.
Post by: Trim on March 12, 2022, 02:56:16 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 12, 2022, 02:57:00 PM
Both sides have points but if I was just allowed to step down and not get fired from a $2.5mm/yr job that I OBJECTIVELY BEEN THE WORST AT IN MY INDUSTRY FOR 3 STRAIGHT YEARS I would not trash my boss or their customers. I would say thanks, sorry it didn't work out, I think I am still good and would love to prove it for another employer and stand up.You keep putting his salary against, him like it’s not the norm for a P6 ncaa bball job. He’s an unlikeable douche bag, but his salary was never the issue here and we won the same amount of conference titles under him than Snyder’s entire tenure here.
Who hires that crap now? You want that whining, deflecting BS now fired twice for sucking absolute crap as your star coach?
He'd better hope Keady and Izzo start a search firm soon.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 12, 2022, 03:00:23 PM
Both sides have points but if I was just allowed to step down and not get fired from a $2.5mm/yr job that I OBJECTIVELY BEEN THE WORST AT IN MY INDUSTRY FOR 3 STRAIGHT YEARS I would not trash my boss or their customers. I would say thanks, sorry it didn't work out, I think I am still good and would love to prove it for another employer and stand up.You keep putting his salary against, him like it’s not the norm for a P6 ncaa bball job. He’s an unlikeable douche bag, but his salary was never the issue here and we won the same amount of conference titles under him than Snyder’s entire tenure here.
Who hires that crap now? You want that whining, deflecting BS now fired twice for sucking absolute crap as your star coach?
He'd better hope Keady and Izzo start a search firm soon.
Salary is always a consideration. We can hire a coach for $800k to finish last every year. If you think compensation is irrelevant in sports or business I can't explain it to you.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 12, 2022, 03:01:31 PM
First off, thank you for the compliment. Second off, I'm emotionally unavailable ALWAYS.
oscar's story about driving 9 hours (not a lot by the way) to Western Kentucky to land a job in the college ranks only to be forgotten about and then offered a pity job after is a pretty rough ridin' perfect allegory for his career in general. Despite his lack of talent or skill, his vanilla flavor and digestible ethics have landed him in some opportunistic positions. The remainder of the presser was spent justifying why his ship shouldn't be sinking while it was three years (at least) under water and that he should be given a new ship despite his history of ship sinking; tangental rants about how kids don't understand pay phones aside--even though this is great insight into why he's a sub-par recruiter. Blame politics are all fine and good, but claiming to be holier than thou in a league as morally corrupt as the NCAA only makes you the nicest exploiter. I did really like how he completely skipped over Wooly tho.
There was a fairly funny story posted by Gary Parrish on twitter where Gary talked about how Tom Izzo felt bad for Webz having to make a drive to visit the same recruit Izzo was flying in his private jet to talk to. After a whole plane ride of Oscar saying "thank you" probably too many times, Izzo informed GP that he did it because "if he lost a recruit to Weber he knew it wouldn't be because Weber was underhanded." Nice story. Unless, like Brucey's presser, you actually think about it. Izzo gave a ride to him because Weber wasn't ever a threat. Easy for a wolf to invite a lamb to dinner.
If you choose to buy every ounce of what oscar said on its surface without reconciling the fact that all of it is actually indicative of why he shouldn't have been hired in the first place that's on you.
Give Asava his CSourk'y for Post of the Year. eff, this might be Post of the Decade. Very well said and welcome back, Asava. Miss you, bud. :cheers:
Post by: catastrophe on March 12, 2022, 03:04:46 PM
Post by: chum1 on March 12, 2022, 03:09:39 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 12, 2022, 03:28:39 PM
I mean yeah salary matters, but it’s not a consideration of whether to keep a guy. No one is ever going to be like, yeah he totally sucks but it’s costing us basically nothing so we’ll let it ride.
No, but the S can him and hire another cheap ass.
My post was more in the context of oscar making a F ton for being the worst and losing KSU's customers then trashing those customers. I can see a low paid employee blasting his boss/customers on the way out. An employee who was grossly overpaid and lost his boss a significant customer base should STFU
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 12, 2022, 03:34:46 PM
He did something that had never been done since 1977. You weren’t even in school for that. It was a huge deal and then he did it again. It’s ok to admit he surpassed your expectations, but I doubt you will.Both sides have points but if I was just allowed to step down and not get fired from a $2.5mm/yr job that I OBJECTIVELY BEEN THE WORST AT IN MY INDUSTRY FOR 3 STRAIGHT YEARS I would not trash my boss or their customers. I would say thanks, sorry it didn't work out, I think I am still good and would love to prove it for another employer and stand up.You keep putting his salary against, him like it’s not the norm for a P6 ncaa bball job. He’s an unlikeable douche bag, but his salary was never the issue here and we won the same amount of conference titles under him than Snyder’s entire tenure here.
Who hires that crap now? You want that whining, deflecting BS now fired twice for sucking absolute crap as your star coach?
He'd better hope Keady and Izzo start a search firm soon.
Salary is always a consideration. We can hire a coach for $800k to finish last every year. If you think compensation is irrelevant in sports or business I can't explain it to you.
Post by: stunted on March 12, 2022, 03:49:37 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 12, 2022, 03:57:58 PM
deuces, bitch
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 12, 2022, 04:05:28 PM
i want to like our coach and backing into a couple trophies and following them up with historically bad teams by every measure just doesn’t cut it. i disliked oscar because of his character and that obviously hasn’t changed as he displayed to the world on his way out. you find out a lot about people when things are going rough and this redass continually reminded us who he is.”Backing into a couple of trophies”. Lol. Frank couldn’t even manage that. Just unnecessary fuss from our leaders on this board. He surpassed our expectations and dunked on all of us on his way out. 2 time conference champ and matched Frank’s elite 8 run and then… has all time wins for K-State. He won the war.
deuces, bitch
Post by: pissclams on March 12, 2022, 04:16:18 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 12, 2022, 06:10:13 PM
MisFitzermation alleges all good will is gone.
Post by: Woogy on March 12, 2022, 06:24:00 PM
MisFitzermation alleges the Webs press conference went over like a fart in church inside the AD.
MisFitzermation alleges all good will is gone.
And that's it in a nutshell: His own lack of self awareness is his downfall. Same with oscar.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2022, 06:25:15 PM
MisFitzermation alleges the Webs press conference went over like a fart in church inside the AD.
MisFitzermation alleges all good will is gone.
Even if this happened, to be clear, it didn't. What did he say that would have anyone pissed off? He didn't say the athletic department didn't support him. He said that social media is toxic, Gene has said the same thing publicly. The rest of the press conference was classic oscar, stuff he's said before. He's made that point about winning more conference championships than the previous 6 guys before. He thanked Gene, although he needed to get prompted to do so. There was nothing in that press conference that would have offended the athletic department, if anything they did what most of us did and that's roll their eyes, but I'm certain Gene has heard all of that before.
Fitz is full of crap and if I could be bothered, I'd pay the literal $1 it costs to be a premium member of his site, to tell him as much.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 12, 2022, 07:31:49 PM
i want to like our coach and backing into a couple trophies and following them up with historically bad teams by every measure just doesn’t cut it. i disliked oscar because of his character and that obviously hasn’t changed as he displayed to the world on his way out. you find out a lot about people when things are going rough and this redass continually reminded us who he is.
deuces, bitchQuote”Backing into a couple of trophies”. Lol.
I mean, he did. The only reason we have any claim to those trophoes is some laughable tiebreaker rules. We went 0-3 against KU the year we split the Big XII with them. Do you really feel a legit claim to first place after that? I don’t, because I have a little pride. The other year we got one, we split it with Texas Tech, who btw went on to play in the national championship that year. So sorry if I don’t super buy into the oscar hero worship for, yes, backing into (at minimum his first, kind of his second, also) Big XII championship. Is it better than nothing? Yes. Is it as good as an outright? Not even close. Did K-State Athletics and subsequently oscar brag about them as if they were outrights that we didn’t back into? Yes.
It’s like this: in 2012, we beat OU in football head to head before Baylor ultimately crushed our natty dreams. We were OU’s only league loss. Because of the Baylor game, we ended up with the same league record as OU, so despite us beating them on their own home field in the head-to-head, they can still technically claim that they were Big XII champions that year just as much as we can. Do they? Idk, how losery are they?
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Post by: michigancat on March 12, 2022, 08:05:13 PM
i want to like our coach and backing into a couple trophies and following them up with historically bad teams by every measure just doesn’t cut it. i disliked oscar because of his character and that obviously hasn’t changed as he displayed to the world on his way out. you find out a lot about people when things are going rough and this redass continually reminded us who he is.
deuces, bitchQuote”Backing into a couple of trophies”. Lol.
I mean, he did. The only reason we have any claim to those trophoes is some laughable tiebreaker rules. We went 0-3 against KU the year we split the Big XII with them. Do you really feel a legit claim to first place after that? I don’t, because I have a little pride. The other year we got one, we split it with Texas Tech, who btw went on to play in the national championship that year. So sorry if I don’t super buy into the oscar hero worship for, yes, backing into (at minimum his first, kind of his second, also) Big XII championship. Is it better than nothing? Yes. Is it as good as an outright? Not even close. Did K-State Athletics and subsequently oscar brag about them as if they were outrights that we didn’t back into? Yes.
It’s like this: in 2012, we beat OU in football head to head before Baylor ultimately crushed our natty dreams. We were OU’s only league loss. Because of the Baylor game, we ended up with the same league record as OU, so despite us beating them on their own home field in the head-to-head, they can still technically claim that they were Big XII champions that year just as much as we can. Do they? Idk, how losery are they?
He beat Tech the year he shared the title, but both are legit regardless. Your arguments are very dumb.
Post by: Justwin on March 12, 2022, 08:09:44 PM
well no other coach even split it. so same point stands. oscar > every coach before him.
Based on the last three years, oscar < every coach before him.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2022, 08:21:01 PM
well no other coach even split it. so same point stands. oscar > every coach before him.
Based on the last three years, oscar < every coach before him.
Seems silly to only use three years when you have the compete legacy of every coach in Kansas State Basketball history to compare to. Anyone exclusively using the first seven years or the last three years to measure his legacy is a clown.
Post by: pissclams on March 12, 2022, 08:22:38 PM
your face is dumbi want to like our coach and backing into a couple trophies and following them up with historically bad teams by every measure just doesn’t cut it. i disliked oscar because of his character and that obviously hasn’t changed as he displayed to the world on his way out. you find out a lot about people when things are going rough and this redass continually reminded us who he is.
deuces, bitchQuote”Backing into a couple of trophies”. Lol.
I mean, he did. The only reason we have any claim to those trophoes is some laughable tiebreaker rules. We went 0-3 against KU the year we split the Big XII with them. Do you really feel a legit claim to first place after that? I don’t, because I have a little pride. The other year we got one, we split it with Texas Tech, who btw went on to play in the national championship that year. So sorry if I don’t super buy into the oscar hero worship for, yes, backing into (at minimum his first, kind of his second, also) Big XII championship. Is it better than nothing? Yes. Is it as good as an outright? Not even close. Did K-State Athletics and subsequently oscar brag about them as if they were outrights that we didn’t back into? Yes.
It’s like this: in 2012, we beat OU in football head to head before Baylor ultimately crushed our natty dreams. We were OU’s only league loss. Because of the Baylor game, we ended up with the same league record as OU, so despite us beating them on their own home field in the head-to-head, they can still technically claim that they were Big XII champions that year just as much as we can. Do they? Idk, how losery are they?
He beat Tech the year he shared the title, but both are legit regardless. Your arguments are very dumb.
Post by: steve dave on March 12, 2022, 08:23:38 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2022, 08:25:26 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 12, 2022, 08:29:09 PM
It's pretty crazy that oscar leaving has made some people even more irrational about this dude. I don't understand the end game with trying to reduce what he did or didn't do here. He got fired, the conference championships didn't save him, what's the point of minimizing them? Even if he went 18-0 in 2012, that doesn't make him less fired now.
It's really weird
Post by: catastrophe on March 12, 2022, 08:33:28 PM
The funny thing is, when we hired oscar the only thing that gave me comfort was that his accomplishments on paper looked pretty solid. That remains true today.
Not that any of it matters because letting oscar go was the most obvious decision in the world. I’m ready to be excited about bball again.
Post by: Justwin on March 12, 2022, 08:37:17 PM
well no other coach even split it. so same point stands. oscar > every coach before him.
Based on the last three years, oscar < every coach before him.
Seems silly to only use three years when you have the compete legacy of every coach in Kansas State Basketball history to compare to. Anyone exclusively using the first seven years or the last three years to measure his legacy is a clown.
Yes, that's the point.
Post by: steve dave on March 12, 2022, 08:42:16 PM
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Post by: stunted on March 12, 2022, 08:52:30 PM
the irl best part about the absolute bed shitting is that it's just basketball. we went three entire seasons of being the worst team in the conference and nobody really gave/gives a crap and we didn't even fire the obvious loser coach until the end of the third season. and even then our fans are like "well it's a clean program so....". imagine if this was football. we'd rightfully burn the university to the ground. we are very lucky honestly.
10 minutes of action in 3 hours 😂
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 12, 2022, 09:00:32 PM
well no other coach even split it. so same point stands. oscar > every coach before him.
Based on the last three years, oscar < every coach before him.
Seems silly to only use three years when you have the compete legacy of every coach in Kansas State Basketball history to compare to. Anyone exclusively using the first seven years or the last three years to measure his legacy is a clown.
For those that are scratching their heads as to why nobody appreciates his accomplishments perhaps as much as they should…I would posit that its bc with the exception of those 2 co-titles, we were pretty bad. As in we were not even sniffing around being competitive within the conference. So yeah, for those that want to put a lot of weight on the importance of how you perform in the conference…2 great seasons. The other 8…I think one time we finished 4th but the other 7 seasons we were playing on Wednesday. And that year we got 4th we were still like a full 5 games back of first place which is kind of a chasm for 18 games
Post by: steve dave on March 12, 2022, 09:06:02 PM
Post by: Trim on March 12, 2022, 09:10:48 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 12, 2022, 09:12:52 PM
Post by: catastrophe on March 12, 2022, 09:20:48 PM
His dumbass should have retired after he won his second big 12 championship but his ego wouldn’t allow it. 2 ships 5/7 NCAA appearances and an elite 8. Would have been a legend.Unless you’re chasing endorsement deals the absolute dumbest thing anyone could do would be quitting your job at your highest value.
Post by: steve dave on March 12, 2022, 09:20:57 PM
Which was better - his illinois career or his ksu career? Or were they the same?
you are 100% what your NCAA tourney career says you are. Illinois by miles.
Post by: michigancat on March 12, 2022, 09:23:58 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 12, 2022, 09:25:46 PM
His dumbass should have retired after he won his second big 12 championship but his ego wouldn’t allow it. 2 ships 5/7 NCAA appearances and an elite 8. Would have been a legend.I think even the most ardent haters would have to unconditionally tip their cap to the man and they would appreciate him that much more bc that would also mean Brad was in his 3rd year at the helm of the U.S.S. Purplecats with the sole mission of kicking total ass 24/7/365
Post by: steve dave on March 12, 2022, 09:26:26 PM
The second B12 title was a more impressive accomplishment because it was 100% him.
I didn't even remember the first one until it came up in these "legacy" conversations. so I'd agree.
Post by: michigancat on March 12, 2022, 09:27:18 PM
I mean relative to what he did at Illinois. He never recovered after he lost the Self recruitsThe second B12 title was a more impressive accomplishment because it was 100% him.
I didn't even remember the first one until it came up in these "legacy" conversations. so I'd agree.
Post by: catastrophe on March 12, 2022, 09:28:28 PM
Come home Brad.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 12, 2022, 09:40:30 PM
To think, we could’ve had oscar Pearl, but instead we got this dweeb.
Post by: michigancat on March 12, 2022, 09:44:54 PM
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Post by: michigancat on March 12, 2022, 09:58:35 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/analysis-of-the-2012-coaching-changes/amp/
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2022, 10:01:08 PM
Which was better - his illinois career or his ksu career? Or were they the same?
you are 100% what your NCAA tourney career says you are. Illinois by miles.
By miles? I'd say Illinois was better too but it really comes down to winning a single game his first year at Illinois that he lost his 6th year at K-State.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 12, 2022, 10:02:50 PM
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Post by: catastrophe on March 12, 2022, 10:16:41 PM
I can't believe he only missed two NCAA tournaments, in the middle of his time here, after the Marcus Foster roster rebuild, it seemed like so many more. Those were two long ass years.Expectation is a hell of a drug
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 12, 2022, 10:19:38 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 12, 2022, 10:21:54 PM
I will go to the grave believing that The Flush is solely responsible for saving oscar’s job. No Barry and oscar is fired four years ago. oscar owes Barry at least a million dollars. I guess oscar recruited Barry and whatever though so 🤷???
Sure it wasn’t the unicorn from St John KS that gets 20 minutes a game in the league?
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 12, 2022, 10:24:12 PM
Yeah, Pearl was still under the show cause and couldnt have coached when we hired weber.
Nah, I remember gE hatched a plan to have rule following tyrant John Currie make a case to the NCAA or something and for us to sit out those two years of the tourney. ("The Show-cause penalty wiki entry says this: Contrary to popular belief, an NCAA member school is allowed to hire a coach who is under an ongoing show-cause order.")
Anyway, I still would've taken two oppressive probation years under oscar Pearl to have fun basketball now. We'd be ballin' in the top 10 right now instead of on a coach search and we would've been partying the whole time with shirtless Pearl on a pontoon boat in Tuttle Creek. Longshot hire? Duh. Still seemed like less of a longshot than Gottleib, who also would've been more fun than milquetoast oscar.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 12, 2022, 10:47:33 PM
I will go to the grave believing that The Flush is solely responsible for saving oscar’s job. No Barry and oscar is fired four years ago. oscar owes Barry at least a million dollars. I guess oscar recruited Barry and whatever though so 🤷???
Sure it wasn’t the unicorn from St John KS that gets 20 minutes a game in the league?
The random once every thirty year small town Kansas kid whose family loved the cats certainly helped as well. That was barry’s team though.
Post by: waks on March 13, 2022, 01:19:55 AM
I very much enjoyed the couple good years, and very much either disliked or (more recently) lost interest in the bad years. He'll be remembered for those couple good years and also for being shitty for the majority of his time here and getting fired for being shitty. it is what it is, ups and downs. I hope the next coach is way better!This is the summary for me. He achieved a lot on paper but there was never any real excitement surrounding the team save one year and that showed in Bramlage.
Post by: stunted on March 13, 2022, 01:30:53 AM
I will go to the grave believing that The Flush is solely responsible for saving oscar’s job. No Barry and oscar is fired four years ago. oscar owes Barry at least a million dollars. I guess oscar recruited Barry and whatever though so 🤷???
Sure it wasn’t the unicorn from St John KS that gets 20 minutes a game in the league?
i love this. Claws was barely a 4 star, The Flush wasn't even top 150. if anything he's more unlucky that a lot of similarly ranked players were complete busts that i don't think any coaches could have saved.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 13, 2022, 04:34:22 AM
Bounced from the play-in round barely counts as being in the tournament :jerk:
We didn't tho. We won the play in round, beat Danny Manning with Wake Forest. Beat the crap out of them iirc.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 13, 2022, 08:17:09 AM
Post by: steve dave on March 13, 2022, 08:26:24 AM
Holy crap, some of you are impossible to talk sports with… :lol: I can’t even imagine how much of a loser you have to be to try and devalue his successes here. It makes you look dumb, gross, and petty as crap.
everyone seems to be having reasonable discussions about his legacy here. why are you freaking out and calling names (and who are you directing that at)?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 13, 2022, 08:30:30 AM
Post by: michigancat on March 13, 2022, 08:34:03 AM
I also like the people who are like “well if the 1 seed doesn’t go down, there’s no way K-State makes that run…”. Well, welcome to March. :dunno:
It's why judging success or failure of a coach based on the tournament is dumb. Hopefully Gene wanting a coach quickly will keep us from some dumb mid-major who upsets a higher seed this tourney and has done nothing else.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 13, 2022, 08:36:10 AM
Post by: wetwillie on March 13, 2022, 08:53:15 AM
Holy crap, some of you are impossible to talk sports with… :lol: I can’t even imagine how much of a loser you have to be to try and devalue his successes here. It makes you look dumb, gross, and petty as crap.
everyone seems to be having reasonable discussions about his legacy here. why are you freaking out and calling names (and who are you directing that at)?
SB has gone full Dax ITT but otherwise I agree that it’s all been reasonable discussion.
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Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 13, 2022, 09:38:16 AM
Holy crap, some of you are impossible to talk sports with… :lol: I can’t even imagine how much of a loser you have to be to try and devalue his successes here. It makes you look dumb, gross, and petty as crap.
everyone seems to be having reasonable discussions about his legacy here. why are you freaking out and calling names (and who are you directing that at)?
SB has gone full Dax ITT but otherwise I agree that it’s all been reasonable discussion.
That’s true. I’m being petty and annoying and I’ll stop. But that’s the thing about the polarizing oscar era: literally all of these arguments are valid and legit. (Except my play-in round bungle which I’ll own.) On both sides. I’m right AND Wacky’s right. That’s what makes the oscar era so frustrating, especially when he sits at a press conference and touts the good stuff but doesn’t take responsibility for the bad stuff or tries to pass the buck for it to fans.
It doesn’t really matter how many games he won, he left the program in worse shape than when he got here. Fan support is far less. His boring style of play, his annoying personality, and being a cellar dweller are all his fault and not social media.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 13, 2022, 09:40:44 AM
Holy crap, some of you are impossible to talk sports with… :lol: I can’t even imagine how much of a loser you have to be to try and devalue his successes here. It makes you look dumb, gross, and petty as crap.
everyone seems to be having reasonable discussions about his legacy here. why are you freaking out and calling names (and who are you directing that at)?
SB has gone full Dax ITT but otherwise I agree that it’s all been reasonable discussion.
What in the world.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 13, 2022, 09:42:37 AM
My current preference is: 1. Underwood 2. Chris Mack 3. Tang
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 13, 2022, 09:46:35 AM
Holy crap, some of you are impossible to talk sports with… :lol: I can’t even imagine how much of a loser you have to be to try and devalue his successes here. It makes you look dumb, gross, and petty as crap.
everyone seems to be having reasonable discussions about his legacy here. why are you freaking out and calling names (and who are you directing that at)?
SB has gone full Dax ITT but otherwise I agree that it’s all been reasonable discussion.
That’s true. I’m being petty and annoying and I’ll stop. But that’s the thing about the polarizing oscar era: literally all of these arguments are valid and legit. (Except my play-in round bungle which I’ll own.) On both sides. I’m right AND Wacky’s right. That’s what makes the oscar era so frustrating.
What we have here is a blue dress/gold dress situation
Post by: steve dave on March 13, 2022, 09:47:14 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 13, 2022, 10:10:37 AM
Post by: Trim on March 13, 2022, 12:36:17 PM
I'd say this performance should DQ oscar from consideration by any similar or close-to-similar program, but I doubt any such program was entertaining it anyway.
Gene apparently now has much higher expectations and has to hire someone at that higher level, because otherwise it's kind of bullshit to have canned oscar's ass. He's done a pretty damn comparable job to what he did at illinois, which earned him the ksu job. Some would argue he had more success at ksu than at illinois.
I enjoyed the first minute of gene's thing afterwards with him still using the words that would mean oscar voluntarily resigned and a couple minutes later confirming how payouts and how assistants will be handled exactly in accordance with the ass-canning terms of the contract.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwr32ciHRnQ
Post by: MakeItRain on March 13, 2022, 02:09:09 PM
It doesn’t really matter how many games he won, he left the program in worse shape than when he got here.
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Post by: stunted on March 13, 2022, 03:26:14 PM
It doesn’t really matter how many games he won, he left the program in worse shape than when he got here.
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It’s a dumb point because bball can be turned around quickly. Also most of the time someone gets canned, the program is worse than before.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 13, 2022, 04:10:43 PM
It doesn’t really matter how many games he won, he left the program in worse shape than when he got here.
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It’s a dumb point because bball can be turned around quickly. Also most of the time someone gets canned, the program is worse than before.
OOD atmosphere, tho. Angriest Fanbase status isn’t something that just falls out of the sky to the best team in the league that year, tho. That’s a culture that takes a few consecutive years. Hopefully Brad can get our atmosphere rejuvinated.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 13, 2022, 04:22:06 PM
Missed the post season in 6 out of 10 years. Including 3 straight.
Based on tenure. The worst conference record in Kstate history.
Post by: stunted on March 13, 2022, 05:02:23 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 13, 2022, 05:57:31 PM
I also like the people who are like “well if the 1 seed doesn’t go down, there’s no way K-State makes that run…”. Well, welcome to March. :dunno:
It's why judging success or failure of a coach based on the tournament is dumb. Hopefully Gene wanting a coach quickly will keep us from some dumb mid-major who upsets a higher seed this tourney and has done nothing else.
I'm going to pick New Mexico State to go to the sweet 16, I still don't want Chris Jans.
Post by: fun muffin on March 13, 2022, 08:50:38 PM
It doesn’t really matter how many games he won, he left the program in worse shape than when he got here.
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Why? We had packed arenas when he first started. Now no one cares and the fanbase accepted garbage hoops for 3 years. Plus we have a roster of crap outside of Nowell and Pack
Post by: wetwillie on March 13, 2022, 08:51:56 PM
It doesn’t really matter how many games he won, he left the program in worse shape than when he got here.
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It’s a dumb point because bball can be turned around quickly. Also most of the time someone gets canned, the program is worse than before.
OOD atmosphere, tho. Angriest Fanbase status isn’t something that just falls out of the sky to the best team in the league that year, tho. That’s a culture that takes a few consecutive years. Hopefully Brad can get our atmosphere rejuvinated.
If there is one thing I am certain of it’s that Brad would have the place packed and rocking again in year 1. Hell I’ll even go and I haven’t set foot inside tOOD since like 2016. He checks the box for nearly every kstate fan, it’s pretty incredible how much universal support he has.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 13, 2022, 09:12:22 PM
It doesn’t really matter how many games he won, he left the program in worse shape than when he got here.
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I’m curious why you don’t think it’s in worse shape? Because as a whole, fans just don’t give a crap. People that live in town and have tickets don’t even go to conference games. Ten years ago, people would drive from kc for non con games on a Tuesday. There is complete apathy. That alone makes it worse.
Post by: catastrophe on March 13, 2022, 09:24:26 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 13, 2022, 09:45:29 PM
It doesn’t really matter how many games he won, he left the program in worse shape than when he got here.
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I’m curious why you don’t think it’s in worse shape? Because as a whole, fans just don’t give a crap. People that live in town and have tickets don’t even go to conference games. Ten years ago, people would drive from kc for non con games on a Tuesday. There is complete apathy. That alone makes it worse.
Because that apathy is moment to moment. If oscar came back with Pack, Nowell, and heralded transfers and a preseason top 25 ranking, a chunk of that apathy would be gone.
I'm not going to act like the apathy isn't there but it's largely overstated by people who don't feel as great about the program, and that's understandable. I went to the Iowa State game at the end of the year, and while it was far from 2010, there were still 10,000 people there and I still had to pay $50 a ticket to sit in the 27th row. I also had season tickets in 2011-12, and it wasn't 2010 either. If Frank's team fell off a bit in 2012, the crowds wouldn't have keep coming either. There are plenty of threads on here complaining about crowds during the OOD too. I remember 7000 people watching K-State's second game at the Sprint Center.
We hire Brad, we get 10,000 season tickets. We hire Tang or McCasland and they get out the gates quick, they'll be 11,000+ in Bramlage over winter break for the first confierence game.
The program and the fan base are fine, this isn't Wooly taking over for Asbury.
Post by: Justwin on March 13, 2022, 10:25:08 PM
It doesn’t really matter how many games he won, he left the program in worse shape than when he got here.
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I’m curious why you don’t think it’s in worse shape? Because as a whole, fans just don’t give a crap. People that live in town and have tickets don’t even go to conference games. Ten years ago, people would drive from kc for non con games on a Tuesday. There is complete apathy. That alone makes it worse.
Because that apathy is moment to moment. If oscar came back with Pack, Nowell, and heralded transfers and a preseason top 25 ranking, a chunk of that apathy would be gone.
I'm not going to act like the apathy isn't there but it's largely overstated by people who don't feel as great about the program, and that's understandable. I went to the Iowa State game at the end of the year, and while it was far from 2010, there were still 10,000 people there and I still had to pay $50 a ticket to sit in the 27th row. I also had season tickets in 2011-12, and it wasn't 2010 either. If Frank's team fell off a bit in 2012, the crowds wouldn't have keep coming either. There are plenty of threads on here complaining about crowds during the OOD too. I remember 7000 people watching K-State's second game at the Sprint Center.
We hire Brad, we get 10,000 season tickets. We hire Tang or McCasland and they get out the gates quick, they'll be 11,000+ in Bramlage over winter break for the first confierence game.
The program and the fan base are fine, this isn't Wooly taking over for Asbury.
There is nothing oscar could do to come back with a Top 25 ranking. Nothing.
Attendance at the Iowa St. game was 8000, not 10,000. I was offered multiple tickets to the Oklahoma game, but didn't go. Attendance was 6600 for that game. My four kids and I went to six games, including multiple Big 12 games, and spent a total of $5 to do so. The Iowa St. game you attended was the highest attended game outside of the KU game (only 9700!).
If oscar came back next year, attendance would be even worse. The apathy was something that oscar would never have been able to overcome next year.
What do you think attendance will be next year for the first Big 12 game?
Post by: MakeItRain on March 14, 2022, 01:11:11 AM
It doesn’t really matter how many games he won, he left the program in worse shape than when he got here.
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I’m curious why you don’t think it’s in worse shape? Because as a whole, fans just don’t give a crap. People that live in town and have tickets don’t even go to conference games. Ten years ago, people would drive from kc for non con games on a Tuesday. There is complete apathy. That alone makes it worse.
Because that apathy is moment to moment. If oscar came back with Pack, Nowell, and heralded transfers and a preseason top 25 ranking, a chunk of that apathy would be gone.
I'm not going to act like the apathy isn't there but it's largely overstated by people who don't feel as great about the program, and that's understandable. I went to the Iowa State game at the end of the year, and while it was far from 2010, there were still 10,000 people there and I still had to pay $50 a ticket to sit in the 27th row. I also had season tickets in 2011-12, and it wasn't 2010 either. If Frank's team fell off a bit in 2012, the crowds wouldn't have keep coming either. There are plenty of threads on here complaining about crowds during the OOD too. I remember 7000 people watching K-State's second game at the Sprint Center.
We hire Brad, we get 10,000 season tickets. We hire Tang or McCasland and they get out the gates quick, they'll be 11,000+ in Bramlage over winter break for the first confierence game.
The program and the fan base are fine, this isn't Wooly taking over for Asbury.
There is nothing oscar could do to come back with a Top 25 ranking. Nothing.
Attendance at the Iowa St. game was 8000, not 10,000. I was offered multiple tickets to the Oklahoma game, but didn't go. Attendance was 6600 for that game. My four kids and I went to six games, including multiple Big 12 games, and spent a total of $5 to do so. The Iowa St. game you attended was the highest attended game outside of the KU game (only 9700!).
If oscar came back next year, attendance would be even worse. The apathy was something that oscar would never have been able to overcome next year.
What do you think attendance will be next year for the first Big 12 game?
Did you intentionally miss the point that badly? Do you really think that me or anyone else thinks we would have been top 25 if oscar stayed? The point, justwin, is that I don't think the program is worse off, because with the right hire the fans will come back. We're just as fickle now as we were in 2012 as we were in 2004. I saw the occasional sell out even when wooly was here. I know it's the thing to do to act like everything involving K-State is the worst ever, but as long as the next dude wins, we'll be fine.
How many fans will be at the conference opener next year, no rough ridin' idea. Ask me again when I know what the coach is and what will happen in the noncon
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 14, 2022, 08:34:25 AM
This is more of a testament to Frank leaving. Not hiring oscar.It doesn’t really matter how many games he won, he left the program in worse shape than when he got here.
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It’s a dumb point because bball can be turned around quickly. Also most of the time someone gets canned, the program is worse than before.
OOD atmosphere, tho. Angriest Fanbase status isn’t something that just falls out of the sky to the best team in the league that year, tho. That’s a culture that takes a few consecutive years. Hopefully Brad can get our atmosphere rejuvinated.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 14, 2022, 08:45:15 AM
However, oscar is not leaving the program in worse shape than when he got it because ticket sales, apathy and talent level can change and get to pre oscar hire levels if kstate hires the right coach? Gotcha.
I will be sure to check this thread in three years to figure out the current status of the program because god forbid we actually form an opinion based on its current status, attendance, ticket sales, win/loss record and compare them to what they were immediately before oscar was hired.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 14, 2022, 08:58:31 AM
Post by: 8manpick on March 14, 2022, 09:06:11 AM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 14, 2022, 09:14:42 AM
Post by: Justwin on March 14, 2022, 09:21:57 AM
Did you intentionally miss the point that badly? Do you really think that me or anyone else thinks we would have been top 25 if oscar stayed? The point, justwin, is that I don't think the program is worse off, because with the right hire the fans will come back. We're just as fickle now as we were in 2012 as we were in 2004. I saw the occasional sell out even when wooly was here. I know it's the thing to do to act like everything involving K-State is the worst ever, but as long as the next dude wins, we'll be fine.
How many fans will be at the conference opener next year, no rough ridin' idea. Ask me again when I know what the coach is and what will happen in the noncon
The program is undoubtedly in worse shape now than when oscar took over. That's not really even debatable. Of course the program can bounce back, but that doesn't change the fact that the program is worse now than oscar took over. He's the only coach of the last four where you could say that.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 14, 2022, 09:22:21 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 14, 2022, 09:31:17 AM
In related news, no program can either be better or worse than it ever was because it’s always possible to get better or worse in the future. Just keep that in mind.
Fairly accurate, yes. There can be a point with a fan base that they give up, see Missouri after Kim Anderson, but we aren't close to that yet.
You're playing a bit of shell game with the roster. While I don't believe in the so called mass exodus was actually a thing, there were certainly going to be some hits to that roster, two starters for sure, maybe three. You are also discounting how quickly it is to build a roster now than it was in 2012. That has to be acknowledged, unless we're just going to do the oscar is a poopy head thing and ignore everything else. Texas Tech on April 15th of last year did not look like a team that was even going to compete for the Big 12, and now they are a trendy pick to go to the final four. It's much easier to win quickly now, just as it's much easier to see a championship roster decimated. That can be acknowledged without having to give oscar any credit for it.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 14, 2022, 09:33:17 AM
you know how when they clean up all the trash from a filthy beach and then the sea turtles will come back and start laying their eggs again? I mean Asava is back and Daris is bringin the spicy mustard. I don't think _FAN will be making an appearance but hey anything could happen
In this analogy, _FAN didn't leave because of apathy, he doesn't post here because the toxicity of the place dove people off. He's still doing his thing other places.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 14, 2022, 09:37:52 AM
In related news, no program can either be better or worse than it ever was because it’s always possible to get better or worse in the future. Just keep that in mind.
Fairly accurate, yes. There can be a point with a fan base that they give up, see Missouri after Kim Anderson, but we aren't close to that yet.
You're playing a bit of shell game with the roster. While I don't believe in the so called mass exodus was actually a thing, there were certainly going to be some hits to that roster, two starters for sure, maybe three. You are also discounting how quickly it is to build a roster now than it was in 2012. That has to be acknowledged, unless we're just going to do the oscar is a poopy head thing and ignore everything else. Texas Tech on April 15th of last year did not look like a team that was even going to compete for the Big 12, and now they are a trendy pick to go to the final four. It's much easier to win quickly now, just as it's much easier to see a championship roster decimated. That can be acknowledged without having to give oscar any credit for it.
In fairness, I didn’t even know that a shell game was being played, more/less agree to actively participate in it.
You however just spent a majority of your response as to whether the Kansas state basketball program is better, worse or the same now as it was when oscar was hired, discussing Texas tech.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 14, 2022, 09:41:00 AM
I will be sure to check this thread in three years to figure out the current status of the program because god forbid we actually form an opinion based on its current status, attendance, ticket sales, win/loss record and compare them to what they were immediately before oscar was hired.
Since SD checked wacky, I'll do the same here. You're a bit emotional and I'm confused as to why. No one said you weren't allowed an opinion, we are allowed to disagree. I don't care if the program is worse off or not, have your point, my larger one is whether the program is worse off or not, it doesn't matter because the new guy will still have expectations. It's not like everyone will just be like "oh well" if he finishes in 8th place next year. If it makes y'all better to say oscar left the program in worse shape, can all of you be held to that with patience for the new hire?
Post by: MakeItRain on March 14, 2022, 09:42:24 AM
In related news, no program can either be better or worse than it ever was because it’s always possible to get better or worse in the future. Just keep that in mind.
Fairly accurate, yes. There can be a point with a fan base that they give up, see Missouri after Kim Anderson, but we aren't close to that yet.
You're playing a bit of shell game with the roster. While I don't believe in the so called mass exodus was actually a thing, there were certainly going to be some hits to that roster, two starters for sure, maybe three. You are also discounting how quickly it is to build a roster now than it was in 2012. That has to be acknowledged, unless we're just going to do the oscar is a poopy head thing and ignore everything else.Texas Tech on April 15th of last year did not look like a team that was even going to compete for the Big 12, and now they are a trendy pick to go to the final four.It's much easier to win quickly now, just as it's much easier to see a championship roster decimated. That can be acknowledged without having to give oscar any credit for it.
In fairness, I didn’t even know that a shell game was being played, more/less agree to actively participate in it.
You however just spent a majority of your response as to whether the Kansas state basketball program is better, worse or the same now as it was when oscar was hired, discussing Texas tech.
It was literally one sentence. Here, does that change the point of the post?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 14, 2022, 09:46:32 AM
Post by: catastrophe on March 14, 2022, 09:47:25 AM
In related news, no program can either be better or worse than it ever was because it’s always possible to get better or worse in the future. Just keep that in mind.I think the issue is that people use “program in better/worse shape” in different ways. You’re literally taking a snapshot of now vs. when oscar took over. I don’t think that’s a meaningful way to view a coach’s legacy or impact on a program. That means oscar could have left at various different times during his tenure and that suddenly makes him a better coach at KSU?
Like MIR has said ad nauseum, we’re an exciting hire and solid non-con away from plenty of buzz and crowded stands in OOD. We’re only a few years removed from a Big 12 championship and Elite Eight run! The program overall is fine.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 14, 2022, 09:52:23 AM
In related news, no program can either be better or worse than it ever was because it’s always possible to get better or worse in the future. Just keep that in mind.
Fairly accurate, yes. There can be a point with a fan base that they give up, see Missouri after Kim Anderson, but we aren't close to that yet.
You're playing a bit of shell game with the roster. While I don't believe in the so called mass exodus was actually a thing, there were certainly going to be some hits to that roster, two starters for sure, maybe three. You are also discounting how quickly it is to build a roster now than it was in 2012. That has to be acknowledged, unless we're just going to do the oscar is a poopy head thing and ignore everything else.Texas Tech on April 15th of last year did not look like a team that was even going to compete for the Big 12, and now they are a trendy pick to go to the final four.It's much easier to win quickly now, just as it's much easier to see a championship roster decimated. That can be acknowledged without having to give oscar any credit for it.
In fairness, I didn’t even know that a shell game was being played, more/less agree to actively participate in it.
You however just spent a majority of your response as to whether the Kansas state basketball program is better, worse or the same now as it was when oscar was hired, discussing Texas tech.
It was literally one sentence. Here, does that change the point of the post?
Maybe? I guess it seems like your point is that given the current state of college basketball, it is currently impossible for a single college basketball coach to leave a program any better or worse off than it was when they started the job. Therefore, the Kansas state program by default is not better or worse than it was when oscar took over. Is that your point?
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 14, 2022, 10:10:36 AM
oscar is lucky Covid happened during a stretch where his teams already stunk and fans had mostly given up. To say a coach who was here ten years can have no material affect for better or for worse on a program just because basketbally teams can get good again quicker than football teams is kind of bonkers.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 14, 2022, 11:00:58 AM
you know how when they clean up all the trash from a filthy beach and then the sea turtles will come back and start laying their eggs again? I mean Asava is back and Daris is bringin the spicy mustard. I don't think _FAN will be making an appearance but hey anything could happen
What's up?
Plenty of good, get your final oscar thoughts out comments here. oscar should have just released a statement the next morning and called it good. I thought his postgame comments were pretty good actually and a fine end to his tenure. (and it should be the end). But in the zoom he couldn't help himself and IMO while he used the general words fanbase/social media he was really talking about Fitz and the portion of the fanbase (of which I was a part at the time) pining for Brad in 2016 and 2017. That's what he truly took offense at, especially when he recovered from that dark moment to get an Elite 8 and conference title. These coaches always say they don't pay attention to the media and never forget, but that stuff is burned into their brains. Heck, he even brought up the Gottlieb meeting (of which I was also a part, pre sink breaking).
In the end oscar got in front of the media and made very oscar comments. He had a terrible end to his era, yet we as fans can bring up his accomplishments when we compare ourselves to other programs vying for coaches right now. None of the others programs can claim a pair of Elite 8s and a pair of conference titles in the last dozen or so years and that's what Gene and K-State need to be selling; come here and you can win just like the last 3 coaches have.
I will remember oscar fondly overall and appreciate the good times though the last 3 seasons (I enjoyed this one much of the time though) and his final presser weren't his best moments for sure.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 14, 2022, 11:03:20 AM
In related news, no program can either be better or worse than it ever was because it’s always possible to get better or worse in the future. Just keep that in mind.
Fairly accurate, yes. There can be a point with a fan base that they give up, see Missouri after Kim Anderson, but we aren't close to that yet.
You're playing a bit of shell game with the roster. While I don't believe in the so called mass exodus was actually a thing, there were certainly going to be some hits to that roster, two starters for sure, maybe three. You are also discounting how quickly it is to build a roster now than it was in 2012. That has to be acknowledged, unless we're just going to do the oscar is a poopy head thing and ignore everything else.Texas Tech on April 15th of last year did not look like a team that was even going to compete for the Big 12, and now they are a trendy pick to go to the final four.It's much easier to win quickly now, just as it's much easier to see a championship roster decimated. That can be acknowledged without having to give oscar any credit for it.
In fairness, I didn’t even know that a shell game was being played, more/less agree to actively participate in it.
You however just spent a majority of your response as to whether the Kansas state basketball program is better, worse or the same now as it was when oscar was hired, discussing Texas tech.
It was literally one sentence. Here, does that change the point of the post?
Maybe? I guess it seems like your point is that given the current state of college basketball, it is currently impossible for a single college basketball coach to leave a program any better or worse off than it was when they started the job. Therefore, the Kansas state program by default is not better or worse than it was when oscar took over. Is that your point?
My point is that none of that matters, at all. You're hung up of something that has no consequence to what is going to happen next year. If the new coach goes 9-21 next year, we aren't going to accept the excuse of "my roster sucked." Taking the 2021-22 to 22-23 roster as a tangible example. If Pack leaves, that means five of the top six in the rotation are will need to be replaced. Eight of the top ten on the current roster will have either no eligibility left or have a free transfer left. Which means other than Nowell and Massoud, everyone has the ability to be replaced. If we do go that 9-21, are we going to be :curse: oscar, or will the narrative be the new coach either missed a bunch of his targets then misevaluated the transfers he did land?
Sounds like you're setting up a narrative not to hold the new coach accountable if he has a bad season.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 14, 2022, 11:10:09 AM
People can debate if oscar was better than Frank or if oscar was a good coach here if they want. The program, at this point in time, is certainly not as good as it was in 2013 when he took over. We had a program in 2012 that caused another P5 team to steal our coach and a program in 2022 that caused our coach to be fired. oscar certainly deserves some credit for winning it in 2013 but he inherited a roster capable of winning a B12 title and this roster is nowhere near that.
If Pack leaves, that means five of the top six in the rotation are will need to be replaced. Eight of the top ten on the current roster will have either no eligibility left or have a free transfer left. Which means other than Nowell and Massoud, everyone has the ability to be replaced. If we do go that 9-21, are we going to be :curse: oscar, or will the narrative be the new coach either missed a bunch of his targets then misevaluated the transfers he did land?
Sounds like you're setting up a narrative not to hold the new coach accountable if he has a bad season.
This whole section talks about how shitty the current roster is which is exactly the point. lol @ talking about the potential of a 9-21 season with the roster Frank left.
Post by: deputy dawg on March 14, 2022, 11:21:08 AM
Does oscar Weber have enough gravitas within the coaching community to influence (negatively) KSU's replacement coach search? Every coach interviewed and asked about oscar Weber always give him the highest coaching accolades, and they sound sincere. I've heard lots of insincere praise, so know the difference.
Can oscar cause us headaches in the coaching community?
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 14, 2022, 11:27:30 AM
Discussion on this thread is interesting as far as it goes, but does no answer the one question that seems important:No and he sounds like a scorned lover
Does oscar Weber have enough gravitas within the coaching community to influence (negatively) KSU's replacement coach search? Every coach interviewed and asked about oscar Weber always give him the highest coaching accolades, and they sound sincere. I've heard lots of insincere praise, so know the difference.
Can oscar cause us headaches in the coaching community?
Post by: catastrophe on March 14, 2022, 11:30:06 AM
Coached here 10 years
Given multiple second chances, most notably after the Marcus Foster blowup
After an absolutely horrible 3 season stretch, given the opportunity for a graceful exit
If you’re a coach with any confidence in your abilities, it seems like an attractive job. We aren’t historically quick to fire bball HCs, and the ones we’ve had have all been able to achieve some great things while here.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 14, 2022, 11:56:27 AM
Discussion on this thread is interesting as far as it goes, but does no answer the one question that seems important:
Does oscar Weber have enough gravitas within the coaching community to influence (negatively) KSU's replacement coach search? Every coach interviewed and asked about oscar Weber always give him the highest coaching accolades, and they sound sincere. I've heard lots of insincere praise, so know the difference.
Can oscar cause us headaches in the coaching community?
No. We gave him a decade and his complaint wasn't that he wasn't supported, it was that people are mean on the internet. Even the coach of North Texas isn't concerned with that.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 14, 2022, 12:01:16 PM
In related news, no program can either be better or worse than it ever was because it’s always possible to get better or worse in the future. Just keep that in mind.
Fairly accurate, yes. There can be a point with a fan base that they give up, see Missouri after Kim Anderson, but we aren't close to that yet.
You're playing a bit of shell game with the roster. While I don't believe in the so called mass exodus was actually a thing, there were certainly going to be some hits to that roster, two starters for sure, maybe three. You are also discounting how quickly it is to build a roster now than it was in 2012. That has to be acknowledged, unless we're just going to do the oscar is a poopy head thing and ignore everything else.Texas Tech on April 15th of last year did not look like a team that was even going to compete for the Big 12, and now they are a trendy pick to go to the final four.It's much easier to win quickly now, just as it's much easier to see a championship roster decimated. That can be acknowledged without having to give oscar any credit for it.
In fairness, I didn’t even know that a shell game was being played, more/less agree to actively participate in it.
You however just spent a majority of your response as to whether the Kansas state basketball program is better, worse or the same now as it was when oscar was hired, discussing Texas tech.
It was literally one sentence. Here, does that change the point of the post?
Maybe? I guess it seems like your point is that given the current state of college basketball, it is currently impossible for a single college basketball coach to leave a program any better or worse off than it was when they started the job. Therefore, the Kansas state program by default is not better or worse than it was when oscar took over. Is that your point?
My point is that none of that matters, at all. You're hung up of something that has no consequence to what is going to happen next year. If the new coach goes 9-21 next year, we aren't going to accept the excuse of "my roster sucked." Taking the 2021-22 to 22-23 roster as a tangible example. If Pack leaves, that means five of the top six in the rotation are will need to be replaced. Eight of the top ten on the current roster will have either no eligibility left or have a free transfer left. Which means other than Nowell and Massoud, everyone has the ability to be replaced. If we do go that 9-21, are we going to be :curse: oscar, or will the narrative be the new coach either missed a bunch of his targets then misevaluated the transfers he did land?
Sounds like you're setting up a narrative not to hold the new coach accountable if he has a bad season.
I’m not attempting to set up anything other than an honest discussion as to whether oscar left the program better or worse than what it was when he inherited it. You think he either left it better or the same. I disagree.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 14, 2022, 12:06:51 PM
The program right now is absolutely worse than when oscar took over and I don't know how that is even debatable.
People can debate if oscar was better than Frank or if oscar was a good coach here if they want. The program, at this point in time, is certainly not as good as it was in 2013 when he took over. We had a program in 2012 that caused another P5 team to steal our coach and a program in 2022 that caused our coach to be fired. oscar certainly deserves some credit for winning it in 2013 but he inherited a roster capable of winning a B12 title and this roster is nowhere near that.
If Pack leaves, that means five of the top six in the rotation are will need to be replaced. Eight of the top ten on the current roster will have either no eligibility left or have a free transfer left. Which means other than Nowell and Massoud, everyone has the ability to be replaced. If we do go that 9-21, are we going to be :curse: oscar, or will the narrative be the new coach either missed a bunch of his targets then misevaluated the transfers he did land?
Sounds like you're setting up a narrative not to hold the new coach accountable if he has a bad season.
This whole section talks about how shitty the current roster is which is exactly the point. lol @ talking about the potential of a 9-21 season with the roster Frank left.
You cut out the point of that post that was the actual point and I have said it more than once, I'll say it one more time.
oscar Weber left K-State worse than he found it. We were a top 15 program when he got here now we're not even top 150.
Everyone happy? We good now?
What rough ridin' difference does it make? I'm still waiting for one of you to say that you're going to hold the next coach to a lower standard because the program is in such a bad place.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 14, 2022, 12:09:01 PM
The program right now is absolutely worse than when oscar took over and I don't know how that is even debatable.
People can debate if oscar was better than Frank or if oscar was a good coach here if they want. The program, at this point in time, is certainly not as good as it was in 2013 when he took over. We had a program in 2012 that caused another P5 team to steal our coach and a program in 2022 that caused our coach to be fired. oscar certainly deserves some credit for winning it in 2013 but he inherited a roster capable of winning a B12 title and this roster is nowhere near that.
If Pack leaves, that means five of the top six in the rotation are will need to be replaced. Eight of the top ten on the current roster will have either no eligibility left or have a free transfer left. Which means other than Nowell and Massoud, everyone has the ability to be replaced. If we do go that 9-21, are we going to be :curse: oscar, or will the narrative be the new coach either missed a bunch of his targets then misevaluated the transfers he did land?
Sounds like you're setting up a narrative not to hold the new coach accountable if he has a bad season.
This whole section talks about how shitty the current roster is which is exactly the point. lol @ talking about the potential of a 9-21 season with the roster Frank left.
You cut out the point of that post that was the actual point and I have said it more than once, I'll say it one more time.
oscar Weber left K-State worse than he found it. We were a top 15 program when he got here now we're not even top 150.
Everyone happy? We good now?
What rough ridin' difference does it make? I'm still waiting for one of you to say that you're going to hold the next coach to a lower standard because the program is in such a bad place.
If you also include fan apathy, attendance, season ticket sales and current roster talent in your reasons as to why he left it worse then yes. Yes, I will be happy.
Also and this is a completely separate conversation- my expectation for the next coach is to keep all of the good players and make the tournament next year. Should be doable.
Post by: OK_Cat on March 14, 2022, 12:10:22 PM
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Post by: cfbandyman on March 14, 2022, 12:39:00 PM
you know how when they clean up all the trash from a filthy beach and then the sea turtles will come back and start laying their eggs again? I mean Asava is back and Daris is bringin the spicy mustard. I don't think _FAN will be making an appearance but hey anything could happen
What's up?
Plenty of good, get your final oscar thoughts out comments here. oscar should have just released a statement the next morning and called it good. I thought his postgame comments were pretty good actually and a fine end to his tenure. (and it should be the end). But in the zoom he couldn't help himself and IMO while he used the general words fanbase/social media he was really talking about Fitz and the portion of the fanbase (of which I was a part at the time) pining for Brad in 2016 and 2017. That's what he truly took offense at, especially when he recovered from that dark moment to get an Elite 8 and conference title. These coaches always say they don't pay attention to the media and never forget, but that stuff is burned into their brains. Heck, he even brought up the Gottlieb meeting (of which I was also a part, pre sink breaking).
In the end oscar got in front of the media and made very oscar comments. He had a terrible end to his era, yet we as fans can bring up his accomplishments when we compare ourselves to other programs vying for coaches right now. None of the others programs can claim a pair of Elite 8s and a pair of conference titles in the last dozen or so years and that's what Gene and K-State need to be selling; come here and you can win just like the last 3 coaches have.
I will remember oscar fondly overall and appreciate the good times though the last 3 seasons (I enjoyed this one much of the time though) and his final presser weren't his best moments for sure.
Glad to see the master make an appearance
Post by: FuzzyWuzzy on March 14, 2022, 12:59:06 PM
The program right now is absolutely worse than when oscar took over and I don't know how that is even debatable.
People can debate if oscar was better than Frank or if oscar was a good coach here if they want. The program, at this point in time, is certainly not as good as it was in 2013 when he took over. We had a program in 2012 that caused another P5 team to steal our coach and a program in 2022 that caused our coach to be fired. oscar certainly deserves some credit for winning it in 2013 but he inherited a roster capable of winning a B12 title and this roster is nowhere near that.
If Pack leaves, that means five of the top six in the rotation are will need to be replaced. Eight of the top ten on the current roster will have either no eligibility left or have a free transfer left. Which means other than Nowell and Massoud, everyone has the ability to be replaced. If we do go that 9-21, are we going to be :curse: oscar, or will the narrative be the new coach either missed a bunch of his targets then misevaluated the transfers he did land?
Sounds like you're setting up a narrative not to hold the new coach accountable if he has a bad season.
This whole section talks about how shitty the current roster is which is exactly the point. lol @ talking about the potential of a 9-21 season with the roster Frank left.
You cut out the point of that post that was the actual point and I have said it more than once, I'll say it one more time.
oscar Weber left K-State worse than he found it. We were a top 15 program when he got here now we're not even top 150.
Everyone happy? We good now?
What rough ridin' difference does it make? I'm still waiting for one of you to say that you're going to hold the next coach to a lower standard because the program is in such a bad place.
If you also include fan apathy, attendance, season ticket sales and current roster talent in your reasons as to why he left it worse then yes. Yes, I will be happy.
Also and this is a completely separate conversation- my expectation for the next coach is to keep all of the good players and make the tournament next year. Should be doable.
I went to almost every KSU home game from 2006-2013 but have been totally apathetic after Currie and Oscar killed my optimism. Seeing Oscar get forced out made me more excited about K-State basketball than I've been in a decade.
Hopefully our next coach can get us out of the first round more than once per decade and elevate our program to compete with the likes of Le Salle, UC Irvine, and the Loyola Ramblers.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 14, 2022, 01:04:36 PM
The last twelve pages are because you said you disagreed with my post that he left the program worse than he found it
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I quite clearly expressed why I disagreed as well, but it doesn't matter either way. Do I need to type that a 6th time or was this succinct enough for you to get it?
Post by: michigancat on March 14, 2022, 01:18:19 PM
In the end oscar got in front of the media and made very oscar comments. He had a terrible end to his era, yet we as fans can bring up his accomplishments when we compare ourselves to other programs vying for coaches right now. None of the others programs can claim a pair of Elite 8s and a pair of conference titles in the last dozen or so years and that's what Gene and K-State need to be selling; come here and you can win just like the last 3 coaches have.
this is a great point and the two conference titles in ten years (with a pretty losery coach that was fired) is a pretty strong argument that the program is more attractive to potential coaches than we were when we lost our most successful coach in 30 years to a shitty loser program.
Post by: stunted on March 14, 2022, 01:21:28 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 14, 2022, 01:24:12 PM
The program right now is absolutely worse than when oscar took over and I don't know how that is even debatable.
People can debate if oscar was better than Frank or if oscar was a good coach here if they want. The program, at this point in time, is certainly not as good as it was in 2013 when he took over. We had a program in 2012 that caused another P5 team to steal our coach and a program in 2022 that caused our coach to be fired. oscar certainly deserves some credit for winning it in 2013 but he inherited a roster capable of winning a B12 title and this roster is nowhere near that.
If Pack leaves, that means five of the top six in the rotation are will need to be replaced. Eight of the top ten on the current roster will have either no eligibility left or have a free transfer left. Which means other than Nowell and Massoud, everyone has the ability to be replaced. If we do go that 9-21, are we going to be :curse: oscar, or will the narrative be the new coach either missed a bunch of his targets then misevaluated the transfers he did land?
Sounds like you're setting up a narrative not to hold the new coach accountable if he has a bad season.
This whole section talks about how shitty the current roster is which is exactly the point. lol @ talking about the potential of a 9-21 season with the roster Frank left.
You cut out the point of that post that was the actual point and I have said it more than once, I'll say it one more time.
oscar Weber left K-State worse than he found it. We were a top 15 program when he got here now we're not even top 150.
Everyone happy? We good now?
What rough ridin' difference does it make? I'm still waiting for one of you to say that you're going to hold the next coach to a lower standard because the program is in such a bad place.
If you also include fan apathy, attendance, season ticket sales and current roster talent in your reasons as to why he left it worse then yes. Yes, I will be happy.
Also and this is a completely separate conversation- my expectation for the next coach is to keep all of the good players and make the tournament next year. Should be doable.
So there are measurables here, namely ticket sales and season ticket holders. Certainly those are down, I won't argue otherwise, and I won't even use COVID and an industry wide decrease in sales as an excuse. Although, that negative momentum started with how Frank's time here ended, not with the hiring of oscar. And yes, like I already said, I'm sure the overall feelings about K-State basketball isn't great, but that can change pretty quickly.
I'm not conceding anything as regards to the condition of the roster. If you thought the roster was in good shape, that's a testament to oscar just as much, if not more, than it was to Frank. And rosters now today are just a different measurement. He could have 3 All Americans on the roster now and it has no bearing on what what roster will look like in n November.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 14, 2022, 01:31:58 PM
What rough ridin' difference does it make? I'm still waiting for one of you to say that you're going to hold the next coach to a lower standard because the program is in such a bad place.
I'm not holding the next coach to a lower standard long term but if there is a down year, it could be more forgivable to me. 9-21 isn't going to be good enough under any circumstance. If he has a oscar-ish 14-17 record, I could potentially overlook some of it if there are positives in recruiting or elsewhere to give me hope. The current roster and quality of the program absolutely result in lower expectations for me in the first year or two.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 14, 2022, 01:58:22 PM
What rough ridin' difference does it make? I'm still waiting for one of you to say that you're going to hold the next coach to a lower standard because the program is in such a bad place.
I'm not holding the next coach to a lower standard long term but if there is a down year, it could be more forgivable to me. 9-21 isn't going to be good enough under any circumstance. If he has a oscar-ish 14-17 record, I could potentially overlook some of it if there are positives in recruiting or elsewhere to give me hope. The current roster and quality of the program absolutely result in lower expectations for me in the first year or two.
The current roster has a 1st team all conference player and a point guard who will likely be preseason 2nd team all conference next year. oscar didn't get that.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 14, 2022, 02:16:05 PM
What rough ridin' difference does it make? I'm still waiting for one of you to say that you're going to hold the next coach to a lower standard because the program is in such a bad place.
I'm not holding the next coach to a lower standard long term but if there is a down year, it could be more forgivable to me. 9-21 isn't going to be good enough under any circumstance. If he has a oscar-ish 14-17 record, I could potentially overlook some of it if there are positives in recruiting or elsewhere to give me hope. The current roster and quality of the program absolutely result in lower expectations for me in the first year or two.
The current roster has a 1st team all conference player and a point guard who will likely be preseason 2nd team all conference next year. oscar didn't get that.
Those two players are very good!! They're better but very comparable to Rod (2nd team all-conference) and Angel (couldn't find a preseason all-conference list from 2012-13 but stats are similar). The biggest difference though is that the rest of the roster this year was mostly trash.
Post by: mocat on March 14, 2022, 02:42:31 PM
what is probably also dumb but i can't help but do it: downgrading the two conference titles because we really didn't get to savor them, since they were immediately followed up with two colossal first round faceplants in the tornament
Post by: ChiComCat on March 14, 2022, 02:58:55 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 14, 2022, 03:00:00 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 14, 2022, 03:07:27 PM
Then he spent the next 4 seasons giving people reasons to not believe in him and his program.
Post by: cfbandyman on March 14, 2022, 03:26:23 PM
2019 tournament I get because Wade was out and Barry was basically playing on one leg. I’ll have PTSD the rest of my life losing to La Salle in a de facto home game in the Sprint Center with a full compliment of players.
100% on the La Salle game, just an utterly terribly showing, and I can't remember who was in that next round but they probably would've rolled them too, it would've been nice to at least gotten a S16 outta that tourny.
Edit: was Ole Miss, who then went on to lose to eventual F4 team Wichita State, which either of those outcomes I'd been fine with
Post by: stunted on March 14, 2022, 06:03:29 PM
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 14, 2022, 06:55:34 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 14, 2022, 06:56:24 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 15, 2022, 09:46:22 AM
I think his worst mistake was sucking balls the last three seasonsI'd concur with this. Also seemed like the refs who never really had much respect for oscar anyways just completely ignored him this last season.
Post by: deputy dawg on March 15, 2022, 10:55:11 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 15, 2022, 11:48:38 AM
I'm no Massa Seff fan, but I couldn't imagine Seff doing the whining and making the excuses that Oscar had in that Zoom.
The worst part is that there's still K-State fans out there who think Oscar is a great guy.
Post by: meow meow on March 15, 2022, 12:08:05 PM
I'm no Massa Seff fan, but I couldn't imagine Seff doing the whining and making the excuses that Oscar had in that Zoom.
The worst part is that there's still K-State fans out there who think Oscar is a great guy.
even after he told them to their faces he hates them
Post by: slackcat on March 15, 2022, 12:21:35 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 15, 2022, 12:45:32 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 15, 2022, 12:57:33 PM
It's pretty unreal how butthurt this presser made folks
I’ve heard (no idea if it’s true) that oscar was maybe going to stay in mhk and stay involved in the university in some way, but the presser pissed the AD and school off enough that any offer to stay employed or involved in the university is off the table.
Post by: ben ji on March 15, 2022, 07:01:01 PM
It's pretty unreal how butthurt this presser made folks
I’ve heard (no idea if it’s true) that oscar was maybe going to stay in mhk and stay involved in the university in some way, but the presser pissed the AD and school off enough that any offer to stay employed or involved in the university is off the table.
Never doubt some RCPD water cooler talk, Officer Daris is dead on here.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2022, 08:12:12 PM
It's pretty unreal how butthurt this presser made folks
I’ve heard (no idea if it’s true) that oscar was maybe going to stay in mhk and stay involved in the university in some way, but the presser pissed the AD and school off enough that any offer to stay employed or involved in the university is off the table.
lol
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2022, 08:20:19 PM
I'm no Massa Seff fan, but I couldn't imagine Seff doing the whining and making the excuses that Oscar had in that Zoom.
The worst part is that there's still K-State fans out there who think Oscar is a great guy.
even after he told them to their faces he hates them
You probably believe that too.
I have no idea if oscar Is a great guy or not, I tend to believe the people at four different universities who know him that say he is. Anyway, I don't think being butthurt about getting fired from your job is a good indicator to how good of a person you are. I'm real certain that bitching about social media doesn't make you a bad person.
Post by: catastrophe on March 15, 2022, 08:32:30 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 15, 2022, 09:05:45 PM
Oscar Weber never really accepted responsibility for anything. Within 12 seconds of attempting to claim he was ultimately responsible he laid out in a screed that he really doesn't think he's responsible for the outcomes of the last 3 years and at other times.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2022, 09:26:42 PM
Some people on this board try so hard.
Is it possible for you to have a big boy conversation without being a complete knob? We don't all have to have the same opinion, it's really okay, dax.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 15, 2022, 11:02:05 PM
It's pretty unreal how butthurt this presser made folks
I’ve heard (no idea if it’s true) that oscar was maybe going to stay in mhk and stay involved in the university in some way, but the presser pissed the AD and school off enough that any offer to stay employed or involved in the university is off the table.
lol
Ok
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 15, 2022, 11:27:06 PM
Some people on this board try so hard.
Is it possible for you to have a big boy conversation without being a complete knob? We don't all have to have the same opinion, it's really okay, dax.
The most amazing part is watching you go from thread to thread telling numbers (plural) of people that they're all wrong about everything. I digress.
Oscar Weber threw K-State under the bus. Several on here love it because they think it's an indictment on gE, and several others are just playing their usual too cool for school shtick.
It is possible to have an adult conversation when it starts with the fact that a dude that K-State paid (once you add in perks, personal expense accounts and various other items) over $30 millions to, sat in front of the microphone wearing K-State colors and logos and essentially blamed everyone else for the fact he was forced to resign. While telling the whole world K-State is extremely hard to recruit to, and telling the whole world K-State has bad fans. It's 2022 and people still don't know you can fly non-stop to multiple major hub airports everyday from K-State/MHK, and people still act like that a large percentage of D1 schools aren't in college towns a lot like Manhattan, KS. While I'm ranting, how TF can Fran Fraschilla get with Kellis and talk like it's 2001 in MHK?? K-State has great fans, just fans who aren't going to put up some passive aggressive mealy mouthed excuse machine and his 9th, 10th, and 9th place finishes, his mediocre recruiting classes and his revolving door of personnel, when everyone knows he needs guys for 3 or 4 years to be any good.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 16, 2022, 08:29:59 AM
I'm no Massa Seff fan, but I couldn't imagine Seff doing the whining and making the excuses that Oscar had in that Zoom.
Can you imagine how many chicken wings his team would encounter after just one of our last 3 seasons?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 16, 2022, 08:34:20 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on March 16, 2022, 08:56:44 AM
Post by: slackcat on March 16, 2022, 09:05:38 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 16, 2022, 09:19:30 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 16, 2022, 09:46:30 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 16, 2022, 09:58:47 AM
It's been 10 years and you are still bitching about frank :dunno:Because during the whole time they were bitching about oscar, they decided to ignore the guy they use to clamor for, was falling on his face somewhere else. :dunno:
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 16, 2022, 10:06:23 AM
F4 thoIt's been 10 years and you are still bitching about frank :dunno:Because during the whole time they were bitching about oscar, they decided to ignore the guy they use to clamor for, was falling on his face somewhere else. :dunno:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 16, 2022, 10:09:56 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on March 16, 2022, 11:08:56 AM
How long do you think you guys will continue to bitch about this guy in the future? I give it at least 2-3 more years.
I'm sure there will be some cupboard is bare folks. Out of sight out of mind for this cat. I don't think of Ron prince anymore either fwiw
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 16, 2022, 11:19:56 AM
He missed the tourney 9 out of 10 years and still has never won a conference championship. But yes, congrats on that F4 Frank. Brad definitely left behind a chance for him to succeed.
I agree that pointing to an achievement a coach got a long time ago is an annoying reason to validate keeping them around. #commonground :cheers:
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 16, 2022, 11:37:03 AM
https://twitter.com/GregWWoods/status/1207016457076379648
Post by: michigancat on March 16, 2022, 01:21:05 PM
I had missed this at the time, but a twitter search after seeing Goodman roasting Jon Rothstein last night made me find this. lol @ oscar actually replying to his generic texts.
https://twitter.com/GregWWoods/status/1207016457076379648
Rothstein is a nerd but dunno why goodman is being mean. And adorable work from oscar!
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2022, 01:21:36 PM
I had missed this at the time, but a twitter search after seeing Goodman roasting Jon Rothstein last night made me find this. lol @ oscar actually replying to his generic texts.
https://twitter.com/GregWWoods/status/1207016457076379648
Goodman going after Rothstein like that was really weak
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 16, 2022, 01:34:42 PM
I had missed this at the time, but a twitter search after seeing Goodman roasting Jon Rothstein last night made me find this. lol @ oscar actually replying to his generic texts.
https://twitter.com/GregWWoods/status/1207016457076379648
Rothstein is a nerd but dunno why goodman is being mean. And adorable work from oscar!
yeah, i don't pay enough attention to know if they're friendly or not. He seemed to be getting a lot of crap for it. And yes, good on oscar.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2022, 02:26:14 PM
I had missed this at the time, but a twitter search after seeing Goodman roasting Jon Rothstein last night made me find this. lol @ oscar actually replying to his generic texts.
https://twitter.com/GregWWoods/status/1207016457076379648
Rothstein is a nerd but dunno why goodman is being mean. And adorable work from oscar!
yeah, i don't pay enough attention to know if they're friendly or not. He seemed to be getting a lot of crap for it. And yes, good on oscar.
They're not but I'm sure Goodman doing that is awkward for Gary Parrish because he's boys with both of them.
Post by: asava on March 16, 2022, 04:02:11 PM
First off, thank you for the compliment. Second off, I'm emotionally unavailable ALWAYS.
oscar's story about driving 9 hours (not a lot by the way) to Western Kentucky to land a job in the college ranks only to be forgotten about and then offered a pity job after is a pretty rough ridin' perfect allegory for his career in general. Despite his lack of talent or skill, his vanilla flavor and digestible ethics have landed him in some opportunistic positions. The remainder of the presser was spent justifying why his ship shouldn't be sinking while it was three years (at least) under water and that he should be given a new ship despite his history of ship sinking; tangental rants about how kids don't understand pay phones aside--even though this is great insight into why he's a sub-par recruiter. Blame politics are all fine and good, but claiming to be holier than thou in a league as morally corrupt as the NCAA only makes you the nicest exploiter. I did really like how he completely skipped over Wooly tho.
There was a fairly funny story posted by Gary Parrish on twitter where Gary talked about how Tom Izzo felt bad for Webz having to make a drive to visit the same recruit Izzo was flying in his private jet to talk to. After a whole plane ride of Oscar saying "thank you" probably too many times, Izzo informed GP that he did it because "if he lost a recruit to Weber he knew it wouldn't be because Weber was underhanded." Nice story. Unless, like Brucey's presser, you actually think about it. Izzo gave a ride to him because Weber wasn't ever a threat. Easy for a wolf to invite a lamb to dinner.
If you choose to buy every ounce of what oscar said on its surface without reconciling the fact that all of it is actually indicative of why he shouldn't have been hired in the first place that's on you.
I'm just excited that asava cares enough to post on this blog again. Welcome back Asava, lets catch some trout this summer and daydream about how many big12 titles Brad will win.
I've got some rivers in mind...
Seriously lol MakeItRain and 320SeriousCat59 for continuing to defend a grown man crying in public about getting fired for doing his job worse than anyone else in the league for three years.
Post by: dal9 on March 16, 2022, 04:33:02 PM
I'm just excited that asava cares enough to post on this blog again. Welcome back Asava, lets catch some trout this summer and daydream about how many big12 titles Brad will win.
I've got some rivers in mind...
Da Nile?
Post by: Hurricane Cat on March 17, 2022, 01:51:48 PM
The press conference was pitiful and made me sad. And I'm excited Weber is gone :emawkid:
Post by: steve dave on March 17, 2022, 09:39:11 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FODlcesXMAIS1a6?format=jpg&name=large)
Post by: stunted on March 17, 2022, 09:48:17 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 17, 2022, 09:52:17 PM
Post by: steve dave on March 17, 2022, 09:54:16 PM
Frank is the Anti oscar
ha, yeah. I cannot think of two polar opposite people.
Post by: Trim on March 18, 2022, 12:21:44 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 18, 2022, 02:44:18 AM
If he does want to coach, I hope he gets the FGCU job and hangs out on the beach until he retires.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 18, 2022, 08:18:51 AM
No surprise but he was great on tournament coverage today, nice suit although it didn't fit worth a damn. I hope he just chills at home with Anya and their kids and just does TV and enjoys life. Now that Dickey V. is about done college basketball needs another ambassador and he's be perfect.
If he does want to coach, I hope he gets the FGCU job and hangs out on the beach until he retires.
From what I heard, he was going to DePaul if the AD had his way and fired him last year. I don't know what difference a year makes for him but at he was planning to keep coaching. Of course, he wants the Miami gig but Larranaga got extended and I don't know how much consideration he would get anyways after USC canned him.
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2022, 08:33:04 AM
No surprise but he was great on tournament coverage today, nice suit although it didn't fit worth a damn. I hope he just chills at home with Anya and their kids and just does TV and enjoys life. Now that Dickey V. is about done college basketball needs another ambassador and he's be perfect.
yeah he would be great if he did TV full time
Post by: Phil Titola on March 18, 2022, 08:50:56 AM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 18, 2022, 09:51:36 AM
KSU really made him a career. Good to see. Don't want him back.
KSU also made underwood’s career. He was just some dumbass burnout Florida juco coach when hugs and frank found him.
Post by: wetwillie on March 18, 2022, 10:09:37 AM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 18, 2022, 10:24:02 AM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 18, 2022, 10:28:26 AM
Post by: wetwillie on March 18, 2022, 10:30:26 AM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 18, 2022, 10:32:35 AM
Well this is a strange turn of events
What is?
Post by: wetwillie on March 18, 2022, 10:38:15 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on March 18, 2022, 10:45:50 AM
I also don't necessarily think RD is disparaging Brad with his comments.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 18, 2022, 10:53:59 AM
The sudden disparaging of Brad, although you may have held those beliefs and mentioned them before and I just didn%u2019t notice.
I don’t think sharing the guys work history is disparaging.
Brad had coached a couple of jucos including going .500 in four years at garden city and had also spent ten years on the western Illinois staff when Huggins hired him after getting to know him while recruiting Blake young. Nothing before kstate screamed future Illinois head coach making 5 million/year. He was coaching a juco in Florida. The post above me said that ksu really made Frank a career and I think the same should be said for Brad. If brad isn’t a ksu guy, I don’t think he ends up on huggins staff and ending up on huggins staff got him to where he is today. Like Chicat said, being lucky and good aren’t mutually exclusive and pointing out brad’s luck and also how his tenure at kstate benefitted doesn’t mean I’m disparaging the guy.
I would have been happy if kstate hired him the first time around when frank left. I’ll be happy if kstate hires him now.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 18, 2022, 10:58:27 AM
It was Dodge City, brother. That's like calling K-state, KU.The sudden disparaging of Brad, although you may have held those beliefs and mentioned them before and I just didn%u2019t notice.
I don’t think sharing the guys work history is disparaging. Brad had coached a couple of jucos including going .500 in four years at garden city and had also spent ten years on the western Illinois staff when Huggins hired him after getting to know him while recruiting Blake young. Nothing before kstate screamed future Illinois head coach making 5 million/year. He was coaching a juco in Florida. The post above me said that ksu really made Frank a career. If brad isn’t a ksu guy, I don’t think he ends up on huggins staff and ending up on huggins staff got him to where he is today. Like Chicat said, being lucky and good aren’t mutually exclusive and pointing out brad’s luck and also how his tenure at kstate benefitted doesn’t mean I’m disparaging the guy. I would have been happy if kstate hired him the first time around when frank left.
Post by: wetwillie on March 18, 2022, 11:02:54 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on March 18, 2022, 11:04:16 AM
Dumbass burnout Florida Juco coach has a negative connotation in the circles I run in.
:ROFL:
Post by: ChiComCat on March 18, 2022, 11:07:01 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 18, 2022, 11:11:00 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on March 18, 2022, 11:19:15 AM
Daris is bang on correct about Brad/Frank/Delonte/Huggins. Huggs assistants weren't this group of heralded Xs & Is guys, they were recruiters. Brad isn't some dude like the guy at NW MO St. dominating D3 with tactics, he gets players. I hope our AD is focused on getting a coach who can get players and run a program. Shot making and defense wins games, not some ability to draw up a great inbounds play.
Brad changed the offense during Pullen's senior year and changed the trajectory of that season. He also took Oklahoma State's roster from firing the head coach to the tournament with largely the same players (I think), although I wouldn't argue with blaming Ford for some of the change. I don't think it's drawing up plays necessarily but having a system and teaching players how to instinctually make adjustments in that system. I agree that being a recruiter is more important than anything but I think Brad is a really good coach as well.
Post by: catastrophe on March 18, 2022, 11:37:11 AM
Daris is bang on correct about Brad/Frank/Delonte/Huggins. Huggs assistants weren't this group of heralded Xs & Is guys, they were recruiters. Brad isn't some dude like the guy at NW MO St. dominating D3 with tactics, he gets players. I hope our AD is focused on getting a coach who can get players and run a program. Shot making and defense wins games, not some ability to draw up a great inbounds play.You know miles more about basketball than I do, but just from the eye test I’ve seen Bill Self win several close games (which happens a lot in college BB) by drawing up a perfect inbounds play in the final seconds.
Post by: Cardiac Cats on March 18, 2022, 01:01:05 PM
Daris is bang on correct about Brad/Frank/Delonte/Huggins. Huggs assistants weren't this group of heralded Xs & Is guys, they were recruiters. Brad isn't some dude like the guy at NW MO St. dominating D3 with tactics, he gets players. I hope our AD is focused on getting a coach who can get players and run a program. Shot making and defense wins games, not some ability to draw up a great inbounds play.You know miles more about basketball than I do, but just from the eye test I’ve seen Bill Self win several close games (which happens a lot in college BB) by drawing up a perfect inbounds play in the final seconds.
I think you're both right. Self has 5 guys on the floor who can make shots and/or dunk through contact. Heck of a lot easier to draw up a play with options. oscar had 1 option - the only "play" I remember him running was - throw it deep and let Barry/Pack go chase it down in the backcourt and try to iso a bucket. Not saying oscar would have drawn up a play with 5 dudes who can get bucket, but that goes back to recruiting them in the first place. Give me the 4-5 guys first and hopefully the rest takes care of itself.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 18, 2022, 01:45:25 PM
Dumbass burnout Florida Juco coach has a negative connotation in the circles I run in. Maybe it%u2019s a fair characterization, just feels like a weird thing to say. Also hope we get Brad, go cats.
Haha fair enough. I guess my point was that Brad wasn’t exactly on the fast track for head coaching stardom when Huggins realized that it might be nice to have a kstater on staff and even then he was only Huggin’s dobo.
Post by: wetwillie on March 18, 2022, 01:48:12 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 21, 2022, 07:48:47 AM
https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1505698706884071426
In the end oscar got in front of the media and made very oscar comments. He had a terrible end to his era, yet we as fans can bring up his accomplishments when we compare ourselves to other programs vying for coaches right now. None of the others programs can claim a pair of Elite 8s and a pair of conference titles in the last dozen or so years and that's what Gene and K-State need to be selling; come here and you can win just like the last 3 coaches have.
this is a great point and the two conference titles in ten years (with a pretty losery coach that was fired) is a pretty strong argument that the program is more attractive to potential coaches than we were when we lost our most successful coach in 30 years to a shitty loser program.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 21, 2022, 08:25:18 AM