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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: CHONGS on November 15, 2021, 01:48:46 PM
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which ChERNOBYL thinks might just happen:
OSU wins out (8-1) [they are in]
OU loses out (7-3)
ISU wins out (7-3)
KSU wins out (7-3)
Baylor loses to KSU (7-3)
If I understand the tiebreaker rules [https://big12sports.com/news/2008/7/31/1546006.aspx] (which I might not) then the next step will be the mini round-robin between the 7-3 teams. In that case:
OU is (1-2)
ISU is (2-1)
KSU is (1-2)
Baylor is (2-1)
which eliminates OU and KSU. Now we move to head-to-head which gives it to Baylor.
Am I right?
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which ChERNOBYL thinks might just happen:
OSU wins out (8-1) [they are in]
OU loses out (7-3)
ISU wins out (7-3)
KSU wins out (7-3)
Baylor loses to KSU (7-3)
If I understand the tiebreaker rules [https://big12sports.com/news/2008/7/31/1546006.aspx] (which I might not) then the next step will be the mini round-robin between the 7-3 teams. In that case:
OU is (1-2)
ISU is (2-1)
KSU is (1-2)
Baylor is (2-1)
which eliminates OU and KSU. Now we move to head-to-head which gives it to Baylor.
Am I right?
I just read something very similar to this on CBS Sports.
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What happens in that scenario, only ISU loses to TCU (beating OU and losing to TCU is a very ISU thing to do)? That would make everyone 1-1 and it would go down to point differentials, right?
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What some dude says about it. Need to read the subsequent tweets.
:dunno: :pray:
https://twitter.com/Brettmorey1/status/1460228507515211779?t=Mw_nk4v52VHGAa5S6q5d9g&s=19
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So, reading that right, really all that needs to happen is:
This weekend:
Beat Baylor but not win by more than 20
ISU has to beat OU
Final Week:
Beat Texas
Baylor has to beat Tech
ISU has to lose to TCU
Okie State has to beat OU
So not impossible but pretty unlikely, the ISU part is the more unbelievable thing out of the whole deal. Everything else looks "doable" in the sense it wouldn't be that crazy, but ISU having to win @OU and then losing to TCU seems like a stretch.
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https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1460367341250875392
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If we win our next 2, I won't care and will party my ass off.
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Looks like second tiebreaker step would be record versus OSU. Baylor would get in.
In the event two (or more teams) tie for second or any subsequent position, the tiebreaker procedures below will be used to break all ties as necessary. For the avoidance of doubt, only Conference records will be used throughout the process:
a. If two teams are tied, the winner of the regular-season game between the two tied teams shall prevail.
b. If three or more teams are tied, steps 1 through 4 will be followed until a determination is made. If only two teams remain tied after any step, the winner of the regular season game between the two tied teams shall prevail.
1. The Conference records of the three or more teams will be compared against each other in a “mini round-robin” format.
2. The Conference records of the three or more teams will be compared against the remaining team(s) in the Conference
standings from top to bottom.
a. When comparing against the remaining teams in the Conference standings any two-way ties will be broken by head-to-head
competition before the comparison begins.
b. If more than a two-way tie exists amongst the remaining teams in the Conference standings, the record against the collective
tied teams as a group will be used.
3. Scoring differential among the tied teams. The team or teams with the lowest difference between points scored and points
allowed in games vs. the tied teams is eliminated from consideration.
4. Draw (In the event steps 1-3 cannot break a multi-team tie the prevailing team or teams will be determined by draw at the
Conference office).
In the event tiebreaking procedures are unsuccessful and a draw is necessary in determining any portion of seeding,
the following procedures will be used:
a. The draw will be conducted in public or with media attendance.
b. Institutions involved in the drawing have the right to have a local representative in attendance at the drawing.
c. A single slip of paper for each institution (with name or logo) will be placed in a container and will be drawn in order
of seeding from highest to lowest.
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Looks like second tiebreaker step would be record versus OSU. Baylor would get in.
In the event two (or more teams) tie for second or any subsequent position, the tiebreaker procedures below will be used to break all ties as necessary. For the avoidance of doubt, only Conference records will be used throughout the process:
a. If two teams are tied, the winner of the regular-season game between the two tied teams shall prevail.
b. If three or more teams are tied, steps 1 through 4 will be followed until a determination is made. If only two teams remain tied after any step, the winner of the regular season game between the two tied teams shall prevail.
1. The Conference records of the three or more teams will be compared against each other in a “mini round-robin” format.
2. The Conference records of the three or more teams will be compared against the remaining team(s) in the Conference
standings from top to bottom.
a. When comparing against the remaining teams in the Conference standings any two-way ties will be broken by head-to-head
competition before the comparison begins.
b. If more than a two-way tie exists amongst the remaining teams in the Conference standings, the record against the collective
tied teams as a group will be used.
3. Scoring differential among the tied teams. The team or teams with the lowest difference between points scored and points
allowed in games vs. the tied teams is eliminated from consideration.
4. Draw (In the event steps 1-3 cannot break a multi-team tie the prevailing team or teams will be determined by draw at the
Conference office).
In the event tiebreaking procedures are unsuccessful and a draw is necessary in determining any portion of seeding,
the following procedures will be used:
a. The draw will be conducted in public or with media attendance.
b. Institutions involved in the drawing have the right to have a local representative in attendance at the drawing.
c. A single slip of paper for each institution (with name or logo) will be placed in a container and will be drawn in order
of seeding from highest to lowest.
OSU beat all three teams in this hypothetical.
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You’re right. My mistake, but then it would fall to record vs ISU and Baylor would get in.
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Regardless, I am going to be outraged if we tie for 2nd and don't get in. We need to put the whole system on trial.
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If we win our next 2, I won't care and will party my ass off.
Do you know how much fun we'd have with ISU fans if we ended our season on a 7 game win streak and won 10 games? :bwpopcorn:
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If we win our next 2, I won't care and will party my ass off.
Do you know how much fun we'd have with ISU fans if we ended our season on a 7 game win streak and won 10 games? :bwpopcorn:
It would be something
I'd be pretty happy even winning 1 of the 2, but 9-3 is a solid season no matter which way you slice it, and really only the loss to ISU being the only semi embarrassing loss (but not that bad, just disappointing). If we put a bowl game on top of that I'd freaking be ecstatic.
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If we win our next 2, I won't care and will party my ass off.
Do you know how much fun we'd have with ISU fans if we ended our season on a 7 game win streak and won 10 games? :bwpopcorn:
Even if we finish 1-2 and win our bowl game, we will basically have had a better season that ISU has had in its entire history.
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If we win our next 2, I won't care and will party my ass off.
Do you know how much fun we'd have with ISU fans if we ended our season on a 7 game win streak and won 10 games? :bwpopcorn:
Yea, and I too have considered that. Would be very fun.
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You’re right. My mistake, but then it would fall to record vs ISU and Baylor would get in.
i have analyzed all 1,024 of the possible remaining outcomes for the season, and there are several scenarios where KSU/BU/OU are in a 3-way tie for 2nd, but in each of those scenarios ISU is the 5th place team so you are correct, it would go to Baylor. We are statistically eliminated from playing in CCG unless one of the teams in the tie-breaker scenario gets COVID, in which case I assume the conference would take the next runner up instead of forgoing a CCG.
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It’s like an old fashioned CHUD-off at the top of this piece of crap
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If we win our next 2, I won't care and will party my ass off.
Do you know how much fun we'd have with ISU fans if we ended our season on a 7 game win streak and won 10 games? :bwpopcorn:
They're already crying, full blown tantrums on twitter yesterday
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It sure looks like Qatz could determine who plays in the Dr Pepper:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kansas-st-could-set-ou-071438167.html
STEPHEN HAWKINS
Thu, November 18, 2021, 1:14 AM
GAME OF THE WEEK
No. 11 Baylor at Kansas State. The four-game winning steak by the Wildcats (7-3, 4-3 Big 12) is the longest in the league after Baylor last week ended Oklahoma's 17 in a row that was the longest among FBS teams. The Bears (8-2, 5-2), who before knocking off the Sooners had a disappointing loss at struggling TCU, can still make the Big 12 title game for the second time in three seasons. But if K-State extends its streak with a win over the Bears, No. 9 Oklahoma State and No. 12 Oklahoma could lock up the two spots in the Big 12 championship game by winning their games Saturday.
Land Thieves have Iowa State at home, but that could be close.
Pokes are at Texas Tech, they should win that game.
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I'll just say Baylor doesn't deserve nice things and leave it at that.
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I like the idea of OU/OSU playing at the end of the regular season while already knowing that there will be an immediate rematch.