Post by: EMAWzifried on September 20, 2021, 02:26:20 PM
So the point is with our past experiences of injuries to stars like CK and Tyler from questionable hits, I have concerns about Deuce surviving this game unscathed. Do you think the bastids will shy away from the dirty play of the passt out of respect for their Hateful 8 brothers?
Post by: deputy dawg on September 21, 2021, 11:56:45 AM
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Post by: PurpleOil on September 23, 2021, 08:08:25 AM
More worried about Land Thieves, given their fondness for stepping on down players and putting all their weight on our players ribs. They rarely get caught doing that, and they have some BIG D linemen. Look out Deuce!
It's only been two years since one of their stars literally kicked our player while he was on the ground.
All this, of course, pales in comparison to what they do to their women out in public restaurants. OU is complete trash.
Post by: IPA4Me on September 23, 2021, 11:29:47 AM
https://twitter.com/statsowar/status/1441047772497649664?s=19
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 23, 2021, 01:13:57 PM
More worried about Land Thieves, given their fondness for stepping on down players and putting all their weight on our players ribs. They rarely get caught doing that, and they have some BIG D linemen. Look out Deuce!
Wrong. OSU has been the dirtiest team in the league for as long as I can remember.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on September 23, 2021, 01:17:38 PM
More worried about Land Thieves, given their fondness for stepping on down players and putting all their weight on our players ribs. They rarely get caught doing that, and they have some BIG D linemen. Look out Deuce!
Wrong. OSU has been the dirtiest team in the league for as long as I can remember.
I thought TCU was the one with the reputation of causing the other team to have a lot of injured players the week after playing them.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on September 23, 2021, 03:47:02 PM
Never forget that they broke CK7's brain although it was sort of LHOFHCBS's fault for using him as a human sledgehammer.More worried about Land Thieves, given their fondness for stepping on down players and putting all their weight on our players ribs. They rarely get caught doing that, and they have some BIG D linemen. Look out Deuce!
Wrong. OSU has been the dirtiest team in the league for as long as I can remember.
I thought TCU was the one with the reputation of causing the other team to have a lot of injured players the week after playing them.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 23, 2021, 10:07:39 PM
Optimism rising
https://twitter.com/statsowar/status/1441047772497649664?s=19
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Nebraska with a 65% win probability of beating a good team doesn't endear much faith in any given formula.
Post by: Katpappy on September 24, 2021, 02:14:55 AM
Never forget that they broke CK7's brain although it was sort of LHOFHCBS's fault for using him as a human sledgehammer.More worried about Land Thieves, given their fondness for stepping on down players and putting all their weight on our players ribs. They rarely get caught doing that, and they have some BIG D linemen. Look out Deuce!
Wrong. OSU has been the dirtiest team in the league for as long as I can remember.
I thought TCU was the one with the reputation of causing the other team to have a lot of injured players the week after playing them.
It was an OU player who stomped on CK and broke/badly bruised his ribs during a home game that I attended.
Post by: IPA4Me on September 24, 2021, 05:25:45 AM
Stop raining on my paradeOptimism rising
https://twitter.com/statsowar/status/1441047772497649664?s=19
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 24, 2021, 09:12:24 AM
Post by: EMAWzifried on September 24, 2021, 03:31:14 PM
Any candidates for such a treachery should be identified preemptively, IMO. Basketball will likely be worse.
Post by: tdaver on September 24, 2021, 05:10:11 PM
Never forget that they broke CK7's brain although it was sort of LHOFHCBS's fault for using him as a human sledgehammer.More worried about Land Thieves, given their fondness for stepping on down players and putting all their weight on our players ribs. They rarely get caught doing that, and they have some BIG D linemen. Look out Deuce!
Wrong. OSU has been the dirtiest team in the league for as long as I can remember.
I thought TCU was the one with the reputation of causing the other team to have a lot of injured players the week after playing them.
He was sketti brained against OSU, and Angelo Pease played wildcat QB most of 4Q. Then Klein took a beating at TCU the next week.
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 25, 2021, 07:36:42 AM
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Post by: PurpleOil on September 25, 2021, 06:08:33 PM
Post by: PurpleOil on September 25, 2021, 06:14:03 PM
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Post by: goCats101 on September 25, 2021, 06:18:43 PM
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 06:25:57 PM
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 06:29:16 PM
Post by: PurpleOil on September 25, 2021, 06:29:33 PM
About time SP comes into play.
Post by: chum1 on September 25, 2021, 06:30:44 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on September 25, 2021, 06:31:08 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on September 25, 2021, 06:33:35 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on September 25, 2021, 06:34:38 PM
Post by: PurpleOil on September 25, 2021, 06:35:51 PM
Post by: KITNfury on September 25, 2021, 06:36:18 PM
D looks terribleYea like complete crap
Post by: star seed 7 on September 25, 2021, 06:40:36 PM
Post by: PurpleOil on September 25, 2021, 06:41:57 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 25, 2021, 06:42:01 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on September 25, 2021, 06:42:09 PM
Post by: KITNfury on September 25, 2021, 06:42:27 PM
Post by: zackole1 on September 25, 2021, 06:42:32 PM
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 06:42:44 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on September 25, 2021, 06:43:35 PM
Ok, +9 was in fact generous....
I believe they will score 20 points
Post by: cfbandyman on September 25, 2021, 06:44:12 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 25, 2021, 06:45:24 PM
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 06:49:34 PM
Post by: Tobias on September 25, 2021, 06:50:12 PM
Post by: PurpleOil on September 25, 2021, 06:50:45 PM
This game is over
Yup. Our D game plan is terrible, and Howard is going to have a Howard game. You can see it already.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on September 25, 2021, 06:51:09 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on September 25, 2021, 06:51:31 PM
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 06:51:55 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on September 25, 2021, 06:52:23 PM
Post by: Trim on September 25, 2021, 06:53:53 PM
breakfast club :(
:lol: :frown:
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 06:54:06 PM
Post by: Houstoncat93 on September 25, 2021, 06:54:19 PM
Lotta football to be played!
By Okla State, we decided not to play football today
Post by: michigancat on September 25, 2021, 06:55:43 PM
Bang up quarter by Will HowardHot take: the sun angle cost us a touchdown!
Post by: kim carnes on September 25, 2021, 06:56:25 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on September 25, 2021, 06:57:57 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 06:58:22 PM
Bang up quarter by Will HowardHot take: the sun angle cost us a touchdown!
That pass was also overthrown
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 06:59:13 PM
I thought this defense was good, lolz
Did you really think they would go the whole season without giving up points?
Post by: PurpleOil on September 25, 2021, 06:59:39 PM
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 06:59:51 PM
Horrible job by everyone involved at KState.
Post by: michigancat on September 25, 2021, 06:59:53 PM
I don’t think we’re the type of football team that comes back from a double digit deficit against a more talented team on the road.
We come from behind to beat a MW team after coming from behind to beat an FCS team and this blog was ready to put down money on B12 championship tickets. It's wild.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 07:00:08 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on September 25, 2021, 07:00:30 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on September 25, 2021, 07:00:34 PM
I thought this defense was good, lolz
Did you really think they would go the whole season without giving up points?
21 pts just over a quarter, it's awful, jfc
Post by: KITNfury on September 25, 2021, 07:00:50 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on September 25, 2021, 07:01:08 PM
Post by: PurpleOil on September 25, 2021, 07:01:16 PM
OK, I'm gonna to go play 9 holes, maybe the second half will be better.
It won't be
Post by: chum1 on September 25, 2021, 07:01:53 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on September 25, 2021, 07:03:11 PM
I thought this defense was good, lolz
Did you really think they would go the whole season without giving up points?
Of course no one thought that. But 21 points in the first rough ridin' quarter and giving up as many yards per play as OSU feels like taking is certainly unexpected.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 07:03:42 PM
I don’t think we’re the type of football team that comes back from a double digit deficit against a more talented team on the road.
We come from behind to beat a MW team after coming from behind to beat an FCS team and this blog was ready to put down money on B12 championship tickets. It's wild.
Your point is well taken but we never trailed to Nevada.
Post by: PurpleOil on September 25, 2021, 07:05:47 PM
With nothing but handing off to Deuce all 3 times. I mean, why even put a QB back there if you're not going to actually use him as a QB. Just line up in the wildcat formation and run it if that's the plan.
Post by: KITNfury on September 25, 2021, 07:06:11 PM
Post by: Hurricane Cat on September 25, 2021, 07:06:21 PM
Post by: goCats101 on September 25, 2021, 07:06:31 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 07:06:41 PM
I thought this defense was good, lolz
Did you really think they would go the whole season without giving up points?
21 pts just over a quarter, it's awful, jfc
Of course it is, but you can't spend 12 quarters being hyped against the defense then completely throw it away at the very first awful quarter of the season.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 07:07:34 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on September 25, 2021, 07:08:21 PM
I thought this defense was good, lolz
Did you really think they would go the whole season without giving up points?
Of course no one thought that. But 21 points in the first rough ridin' quarter and giving up as many yards per play as OSU feels like taking is certainly unexpected.
Not to mention that on OSU’s first long run, that juke that left our defender (can’t remember who) in the dirt was one of the most embarrassing defensive plays I’ve seen in ages. Borderline blooper reel. We also had their qb stumble in the backfield and then scamper 11 yards for a first down. They are doing whatever they want to us and we look absolutely dreadful.
Post by: Trim on September 25, 2021, 07:08:35 PM
I mean, why even put a QB back there if you're not going to actually use him as a QB. Just line up in the wildcat formation and run it if that's the plan.
Yes! :love:
Post by: Hurricane Cat on September 25, 2021, 07:08:46 PM
I don't understand the point of playing Lewis if they don't trust him to do anything.
srsly, this can't be good for anyone's confidence :dunno:
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 07:09:46 PM
Well, that was a helluva a puntJust means more yards for their offense.
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on September 25, 2021, 07:10:10 PM
Post by: PurpleOil on September 25, 2021, 07:10:30 PM
Our D is trash.
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 07:11:19 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on September 25, 2021, 07:11:37 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 07:11:42 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 07:13:36 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on September 25, 2021, 07:14:19 PM
Post by: Spracne on September 25, 2021, 07:14:34 PM
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 07:14:47 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 07:14:59 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 25, 2021, 07:15:40 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 07:17:20 PM
Can he get a targeting redshirt if he gets ejected from enough games?:lol:
Post by: Hurricane Cat on September 25, 2021, 07:18:23 PM
Can he get a targeting redshirt if he gets ejected from enough games?:lol:
:lol: :lol:
Post by: PurpleOil on September 25, 2021, 07:19:16 PM
Can he get a targeting redshirt if he gets ejected from enough games?:lol:
:lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 07:20:58 PM
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 07:21:29 PM
Texas
Oklahoma
WVU
ISU
Baylor
are all going to probably drop 48+ on us.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 07:22:39 PM
I can't even imagine how many more beat downs the cats are going to get this year.We probably won't win again,, maybe KU, maybe.
Texas
Oklahoma
WVU
ISU
Baylor
are all going to probably drop 48+ on us.
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 07:23:23 PM
We'll beat ku and tech.I can't even imagine how many more beat downs the cats are going to get this year.We probably won't win again,, maybe KU, maybe.
Texas
Oklahoma
WVU
ISU
Baylor
are all going to probably drop 48+ on us.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 07:24:17 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 25, 2021, 07:25:42 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 07:25:53 PM
We'll beat ku and tech.I can't even imagine how many more beat downs the cats are going to get this year.We probably won't win again,, maybe KU, maybe.
Texas
Oklahoma
WVU
ISU
Baylor
are all going to probably drop 48+ on us.
I doubt it. We'll look back at tonight as the start of Futility U Part 2.
Post by: michigancat on September 25, 2021, 07:26:57 PM
See, Lewis made a play, let him cook.Honestly just give Will the reps
Post by: PurpleOil on September 25, 2021, 07:27:29 PM
Post by: PurpleOil on September 25, 2021, 07:28:13 PM
We'll beat ku and tech.I can't even imagine how many more beat downs the cats are going to get this year.We probably won't win again,, maybe KU, maybe.
Texas
Oklahoma
WVU
ISU
Baylor
are all going to probably drop 48+ on us.
I doubt it. We'll look back at tonight as the start of Futility U Part 2.
Don't.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 07:29:33 PM
See, Lewis made a play, let him cook.Honestly just give Will the reps
Why? Lewis is moving the ball now that they are letting him actually be a quarterback instead of a holder for deuce.
Post by: michigancat on September 25, 2021, 07:31:06 PM
See, Lewis made a play, let him cook.Honestly just give Will the reps
Why? Lewis is moving the ball now that they are letting him actually be a quarterback instead of a holder for deuce.
Will moved the ball!
Post by: PurpleOil on September 25, 2021, 07:31:18 PM
See, Lewis made a play, let him cook.Honestly just give Will the reps
Why? Lewis is moving the ball now that they are letting him actually be a quarterback instead of a holder for deuce.
^this
Howard simply cannot stop giving the other teams points or maintain the ball. It's proven at this point. I'd have to go back and look, but his career may still have more turnovers than touchdowns. I know he had more turnovers than touchdowns last year, but I don't remember the numbers.
Post by: Spracne on September 25, 2021, 07:32:34 PM
See, Lewis made a play, let him cook.Honestly just give Will the reps
Why? Lewis is moving the ball now that they are letting him actually be a quarterback instead of a holder for deuce.
^this
Howard simply cannot stop giving the other teams points or maintain the ball. It's proven at this point. I'd have to go back and look, but his career may still have more turnovers than touchdowns. I know he had more turnovers than touchdowns last year, but I don't remember the numbers.
This aged well.
Post by: michigancat on September 25, 2021, 07:32:48 PM
See, Lewis made a play, let him cook.Honestly just give Will the reps
Why? Lewis is moving the ball now that they are letting him actually be a quarterback instead of a holder for deuce.
^this
Howard simply cannot stop giving the other teams points or maintain the ball. It's proven at this point. I'd have to go back and look, but his career may still have more turnovers than touchdowns. I know he had more turnovers than touchdowns last year, but I don't remember the numbers.
guys, lewis might be worse at giving the ball the other team and this is why he isn't ahead of will. who knows!
Post by: zackole1 on September 25, 2021, 07:32:59 PM
Post by: PurpleOil on September 25, 2021, 07:33:15 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on September 25, 2021, 07:33:36 PM
See, Lewis made a play, let him cook.Cook he did
Post by: chum1 on September 25, 2021, 07:34:34 PM
Still, I wouldn't conclude that any of our other games will be bad based on this alone.
Post by: Tobias on September 25, 2021, 07:34:34 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 07:35:05 PM
See, Lewis made a play, let him cook.Honestly just give Will the reps
Why? Lewis is moving the ball now that they are letting him actually be a quarterback instead of a holder for deuce.
^this
Howard simply cannot stop giving the other teams points or maintain the ball. It's proven at this point. I'd have to go back and look, but his career may still have more turnovers than touchdowns. I know he had more turnovers than touchdowns last year, but I don't remember the numbers.
guys, lewis might be worse at giving the ball the other team and this is why he isn't ahead of will. who knows!
Maybe. He didn't fumble a perfectly good snap into the end zone tho.
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on September 25, 2021, 07:35:38 PM
Post by: stunted on September 25, 2021, 07:36:47 PM
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 07:37:07 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 07:37:18 PM
We look like we don't even belong on the same field as OSU.
Still, I wouldn't conclude that any of our other games will be bad based on this alone.
The only reasonable conclusion to make is that all previous results are nil and void. This is simply confirmation of what literally everyone said and thought two hours ago, Kansas State is one of the worst football teams in the Power 5.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 07:39:47 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 25, 2021, 07:43:04 PM
Rusty. You honestly aren't impressed at how well Leos Lewis looks in the pocket and how he's throwing the ball?
Not really. He's fine I guess. The interception was really bad.
Post by: Sarge on September 25, 2021, 07:43:24 PM
Rusty. You honestly aren't impressed at how well Leos Lewis looks in the pocket and how he's throwing the ball?
His best completion was to a d-back.
Post by: chum1 on September 25, 2021, 07:43:44 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 07:46:34 PM
Rusty. You honestly aren't impressed at how well Leos Lewis looks in the pocket and how he's throwing the ball?
His best completion was to a d-back.
This is stupid
Post by: michigancat on September 25, 2021, 07:50:23 PM
We'd still be getting killed even with Thompson.
yeah
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 07:51:13 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 07:53:00 PM
We'd still be getting killed even with Thompson.
yeah
Down definitely, killed I don't think so :dunno:
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 07:55:42 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on September 25, 2021, 07:59:20 PM
It's hard to pump sunshine when we've given up 100+ points and counting over the last 2 conference games. We're not just getting beat, we're getting crushed.If we go independent, we never lose a conference game again
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 08:01:01 PM
Post by: chum1 on September 25, 2021, 08:07:51 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 08:08:48 PM
It's hard to pump sunshine when we've given up 100+ points and counting over the last 2 conference games. We're not just getting beat, we're getting crushed.
Gonna lean into this huh, cool. lol
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 08:12:49 PM
Post by: chum1 on September 25, 2021, 08:14:56 PM
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 08:15:05 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on September 25, 2021, 08:16:30 PM
I don't know which is worse between the offense and the defense.
Now, it's the offense since unconfident Howard is back. Defense at least looks better
Post by: cfbandyman on September 25, 2021, 08:17:38 PM
Will is just so nervous in the pocket, never set his feet, never looked downfield.
Never had a chance on any throw he made
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 08:20:34 PM
Post by: wiley on September 25, 2021, 08:21:41 PM
What a complete horseshit play callYeah. How can you not check out of that.
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 08:21:58 PM
What a complete horseshit play callIt's a call to tell the other team that were giving up, so please don't run up the score a bunch more.
Post by: Hurricane Cat on September 25, 2021, 08:22:57 PM
Punter = Player of the Game :facepalm:
Post by: cfbandyman on September 25, 2021, 08:23:32 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 08:23:50 PM
Will is just so nervous in the pocket, never set his feet, never looked downfield.
Never had a chance on any throw he made
Yeah, he was pressured. Having pocket presence helps with that. He needs to step up, he had this issue last year. The college football hall of fame quarterback calling the game has repeatedly called out will for the same thing.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 08:24:37 PM
What a complete horseshit play callYeah. How can you not check out of that.
He shouldn't have had to check out of that
Post by: chum1 on September 25, 2021, 08:26:32 PM
Post by: wiley on September 25, 2021, 08:26:56 PM
Post by: PurpleOil on September 25, 2021, 08:31:30 PM
It's hard to pump sunshine when we've given up 100+ points and counting over the last 2 conference games. We're not just getting beat, we're getting crushed.
Gonna lean into this huh, cool. lol
There are similarities that can't be ignored.
Haven't come back to the game. Just getting an update off of goEMAW on my phone.
Post by: chum1 on September 25, 2021, 08:35:13 PM
Post by: KITNfury on September 25, 2021, 08:35:29 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 25, 2021, 08:36:25 PM
Will is just so nervous in the pocket, never set his feet, never looked downfield.
Never had a chance on any throw he made
Yeah, he was pressured. Having pocket presence helps with that. He needs to step up, he had this issue last year. The college football hall of fame quarterback calling the game has repeatedly called out will for the same thing.
you know sky also had shitty pocket presence (for a fifth and sixth year senior). Lewis and Howard look very similar. something is wrong with scheme or development or both which is kind of surprising given the run of QB's NDSU had.
Post by: cfbandyman on September 25, 2021, 08:36:41 PM
Oklahoma State is begging us to make this a ball game this half. And our offense is casually saying "no thanks"
Yup, this is the defense I expected to see , offense is inept af
Post by: cfbandyman on September 25, 2021, 08:38:10 PM
Will is just so nervous in the pocket, never set his feet, never looked downfield.
Never had a chance on any throw he made
Yeah, he was pressured. Having pocket presence helps with that. He needs to step up, he had this issue last year. The college football hall of fame quarterback calling the game has repeatedly called out will for the same thing.
you know sky also had shitty pocket presence (for a fifth and sixth year senior). Lewis and Howard look very similar. something is wrong with scheme or development or both which is kind of surprising given the run of QB's NDSU had.
It's really weird and horrible, how can this be our options at qb
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 08:38:14 PM
Hard for me to know how much of the offense problem is the QB situation or messingham.It has to be on the coaches. They haven't developed a serviceable QB in 2.5 years. If he didn't luck into getting a 27 year old QB, who knows how bad we'd be.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 08:38:45 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on September 25, 2021, 08:40:42 PM
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 08:40:45 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 25, 2021, 08:41:00 PM
Lotta football to be played!
WELL WELL WELL
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 08:41:15 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 08:41:44 PM
Hard for me to know how much of the offense problem is the QB situation or messingham.
That call on 3rd and 1 wasn't an indicator of whether the coaches are to blame?
Post by: PurpleOil on September 25, 2021, 08:42:01 PM
Lotta football to be played!
WELL WELL WELL
My phone says we're still down two possessions. Is this not correct?
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 08:42:20 PM
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 08:42:22 PM
Post by: stunted on September 25, 2021, 08:42:55 PM
Neither Howard or Lewis are ever going to be the guy. Get Rubley out there and build for the future.
🤡
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 08:43:13 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 25, 2021, 08:43:46 PM
Lotta football to be played!
WELL WELL WELL
My phone says we're still down two possessions. Is this not correct?
Go hang some drywall, squawk
Post by: chum1 on September 25, 2021, 08:44:39 PM
Post by: nicname on September 25, 2021, 08:45:32 PM
Will is just so nervous in the pocket, never set his feet, never looked downfield.
Never had a chance on any throw he made
Yeah, he was pressured. Having pocket presence helps with that. He needs to step up, he had this issue last year. The college football hall of fame quarterback calling the game has repeatedly called out will for the same thing.
you know sky also had shitty pocket presence (for a fifth and sixth year senior). Lewis and Howard look very similar. something is wrong with scheme or development or both which is kind of surprising given the run of QB's NDSU had.
Thompson’s pocket presence has been pretty good IMO the last two seasons. Much improved from 2019 when he was mediocre at best.
Klein prob < whoever the guy we couldn’t get from NDSU.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 08:47:34 PM
Our D is trash.
There were lots of these posts.
Post by: cfbandyman on September 25, 2021, 08:47:56 PM
Jaren Lewis gang
He may be roughly the same talent but he's way more confident and I love it
Post by: PurpleOil on September 25, 2021, 08:48:51 PM
Post by: nicname on September 25, 2021, 08:52:19 PM
I feel like a lot of you are taking your frustrations with the sub par team out on me, and it's making me sad. :(
Yeah, because we love that Cats, and you’re an bad person.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 08:53:02 PM
Will is just so nervous in the pocket, never set his feet, never looked downfield.
Never had a chance on any throw he made
Yeah, he was pressured. Having pocket presence helps with that. He needs to step up, he had this issue last year. The college football hall of fame quarterback calling the game has repeatedly called out will for the same thing.
you know sky also had shitty pocket presence (for a fifth and sixth year senior). Lewis and Howard look very similar. something is wrong with scheme or development or both which is kind of surprising given the run of QB's NDSU had.
Thompson’s pocket presence has been pretty good IMO the last two seasons. Much improved from 2019 when he was mediocre at best.
Klein prob < whoever the guy we couldn’t get from NDSU.
You cannot teach pocket presence, none of that is on the coaches, you can't grant someone else the gift of patience and courage. Skylar got better at it because the game has slowed down for him and he believes in himself. These are the same reasons Lewis is better in the pocket than Howard.
There's no way Howard makes that throw under pressure that Lewis just made. Malik should have caught that.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 08:54:55 PM
Post by: nicname on September 25, 2021, 08:55:48 PM
Post by: nicname on September 25, 2021, 08:57:32 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 08:57:53 PM
BTW, that's only ruled complete because this game is on ESPN+
Post by: michigancat on September 25, 2021, 08:58:22 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on September 25, 2021, 08:59:23 PM
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on September 25, 2021, 08:59:40 PM
Post by: nicname on September 25, 2021, 09:00:46 PM
Post by: nicname on September 25, 2021, 09:01:36 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 25, 2021, 09:02:57 PM
Also what happened with Ervin?
Post by: nicname on September 25, 2021, 09:03:21 PM
That ball being complete is most definitely because of ESPN + . There aren't enough camera angles
The one they showed on ESPN+ looked pretty conclusive
Post by: zackole1 on September 25, 2021, 09:05:34 PM
Post by: nicname on September 25, 2021, 09:05:46 PM
outside of the duece miracle, the offense was better with Will because he's a threat to run.
Also what happened with Ervin?
If you’re going to sit him, might as well spaghetti brain him first. Bill never had a problem sacrificing the gray matter of a young QB. Ask Skylar.
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 09:06:15 PM
smell turnover....God I hope so
Post by: wetwillie on September 25, 2021, 09:06:56 PM
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 09:08:04 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 25, 2021, 09:09:39 PM
Post by: nicname on September 25, 2021, 09:10:40 PM
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 09:10:44 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on September 25, 2021, 09:10:54 PM
Post by: nicname on September 25, 2021, 09:11:17 PM
Holy crap yeast just completely gave up
Got big daddied
Post by: nicname on September 25, 2021, 09:12:57 PM
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 09:13:36 PM
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Post by: nicname on September 25, 2021, 09:14:35 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 25, 2021, 09:14:39 PM
Kudos to Ryan Leaf, btw. Pretty decent color guy
Yea he really has
Post by: nicname on September 25, 2021, 09:15:44 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 25, 2021, 09:17:34 PM
Post by: zackole1 on September 25, 2021, 09:18:36 PM
Post by: nicname on September 25, 2021, 09:18:57 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 25, 2021, 09:20:14 PM
Don’t see how Klein survives this season, our QB play is abysmal.
the defense will keep us in games
Lewis looks worse in the pocket than Howard imo
not great!
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 09:20:15 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 09:20:57 PM
Don’t see how Klein survives this season, our QB play is abysmal.
Come on man
Post by: wiley on September 25, 2021, 09:21:28 PM
Don’t see how Klein survives this season, our QB play is abysmal.Something has gotta give. They QB play was never this bad at NDSU. They churned out quality qb's every year, blows my mind how bad it is here.
Post by: kstate4life on September 25, 2021, 09:21:36 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 09:21:47 PM
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on September 25, 2021, 09:22:58 PM
Post by: wiley on September 25, 2021, 09:23:14 PM
we really miss Skylar :cry:Yeah, i was pretty meh, on him. But i take it all back.
Post by: XocolateThundarr on September 25, 2021, 09:23:44 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 09:23:49 PM
Guys, WHY THE eff IS LEWIS STILL IN THERE!!! What has he done in the entire second half to make the coaches think he can win. eff, give Howard the ball back, maybe he has a chip. Or crap throw rough ridin' Rubley in there. This is the worst QB I’ve ever seen.
Lewis hasn't been great but he made the best play of either of the two QBs and he didn't drop a snap on the 1 yard line then not mange to fall on a ball sitting at his feet.
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 09:23:52 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 25, 2021, 09:24:26 PM
Guys, WHY THE eff IS LEWIS STILL IN THERE!!! What has he done in the entire second half to make the coaches think he can win. eff, give Howard the ball back, maybe he has a chip. Or crap throw rough ridin' Rubley in there. This is the worst QB I’ve ever seen.
yeah howard reps give us the best chance to win future games. Howard is a far, far better runner and an equivalent passing threat.
Post by: wiley on September 25, 2021, 09:25:40 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 25, 2021, 09:26:09 PM
Guys, WHY THE eff IS LEWIS STILL IN THERE!!! What has he done in the entire second half to make the coaches think he can win. eff, give Howard the ball back, maybe he has a chip. Or crap throw rough ridin' Rubley in there. This is the worst QB I’ve ever seen.
We need a transfer QB for 2022, neither Lewis or Howard are D1 QB’s
yeah howard reps give us the best chance to win future games. Howard is a far, far better runner and an equivalent passing threat.
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 09:26:23 PM
An average offense would win this game.
Post by: michigancat on September 25, 2021, 09:26:56 PM
So did we not have stubblefield and Ervin tonight?
I think Ervin got a carry early but no stubblefield.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 09:29:25 PM
Spencer Rattler is getting booed at home, D.J. Uiagalelei has the 99th best QBR in the country and y'all are firing coaches because our backups suck.
I swear to rough ridin' God.
Post by: wetwillie on September 25, 2021, 09:30:15 PM
I guess this game answers the question whether the Lynch Mob is back or not.
They gave up 24 points and pitched a shutout in the second half, all without stubblefield and green. The defense ain’t the problem.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 09:30:54 PM
I guess this game answers the question whether the Lynch Mob is back or not.
What's your answer?
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 09:31:18 PM
I swear to rough ridin' God if y'all don't stop blaming the coaches for freshman back up quarterbacks looking like freshman backup quarterbacks. JESUS CHRIST.Howard isn't a freshman.
Spencer Rattler is getting booed at home, D.J. Uiagalelei has the 99th best QBR in the country and y'all are firing coaches because our backups suck.
I swear to rough ridin' God.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 09:32:15 PM
I was crapping on the defense (and with some good reason),
Y'all lost your crap about three drives, it was an unfounded meltdown.
Post by: nicname on September 25, 2021, 09:33:05 PM
Don’t see how Klein survives this season, our QB play is abysmal.
Lewis looks like he’s chopping in between grass drills
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 09:33:15 PM
I was crapping on the defense (and with some good reason),
Y'all lost your crap about three drives, it was an unfounded meltdown.
Ok, but that's not what a great or good defense would give up in a half.
Post by: michigancat on September 25, 2021, 09:33:27 PM
I swear to rough ridin' God if y'all don't stop blaming the coaches for freshman back up quarterbacks looking like freshman backup quarterbacks. JESUS CHRIST.
Spencer Rattler is getting booed at home, D.J. Uiagalelei has the 99th best QBR in the country and y'all are firing coaches because our backups suck.
I swear to rough ridin' God.
the roller coaster this blog takes itself on is pretty extreme. I don't remember people getting so high or low week-to-week and friggin play-to-play but maybe I've changed.
Post by: XocolateThundarr on September 25, 2021, 09:34:30 PM
I guess this game answers the question whether the Lynch Mob is back or not.
What's your answer?
I don’t get paid to coach college football. My only point in saying what I said was that our defense isn’t the second coming this year. I had high expectations coming into this game.
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 09:34:40 PM
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 09:35:03 PM
We're all old now.I swear to rough ridin' God if y'all don't stop blaming the coaches for freshman back up quarterbacks looking like freshman backup quarterbacks. JESUS CHRIST.
Spencer Rattler is getting booed at home, D.J. Uiagalelei has the 99th best QBR in the country and y'all are firing coaches because our backups suck.
I swear to rough ridin' God.
the roller coaster this blog takes itself on is pretty extreme. I don't remember people getting so high or low week-to-week and friggin play-to-play but maybe I've changed.
Post by: cfbandyman on September 25, 2021, 09:35:04 PM
I was crapping on the defense (and with some good reason), but my God our offense is just too bad to overcome.
An average offense would win this game.
Yeah, I was super critical of them first half, second half was much, much better. I don't expect shut outs but my god the tackling and playmaking was awful first half.
This offense is hot garbage outside of Duece
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 09:36:45 PM
I was crapping on the defense (and with some good reason),
Y'all lost your crap about three drives, it was an unfounded meltdown.
Ok, but that's not what a great or good defense would give up in a half.
It's college football, it absolutely happens. Flood Aggie had the #1 defense in the country coming into today and they had two shitty quarters too. Alabama gave up 50 to Ole Miss last year.
Post by: wetwillie on September 25, 2021, 09:36:51 PM
I swear to rough ridin' God if y'all don't stop blaming the coaches for freshman back up quarterbacks looking like freshman backup quarterbacks. JESUS CHRIST.Howard isn't a freshman.
Spencer Rattler is getting booed at home, D.J. Uiagalelei has the 99th best QBR in the country and y'all are firing coaches because our backups suck.
I swear to rough ridin' God.
Jaren Lewis is in year 3 of being in the program lol
Post by: catastrophe on September 25, 2021, 09:37:27 PM
Not the problem but still I feel like either the defense improves or we’re DOA without Sky. Barring a special teams TD or big defensive play it’s tough to imagine this offense ever getting over 30 points.I guess this game answers the question whether the Lynch Mob is back or not.
They gave up 24 points and pitched a shutout in the second half, all without stubblefield and green. The defense ain’t the problem.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 09:37:59 PM
I swear to rough ridin' God if y'all don't stop blaming the coaches for freshman back up quarterbacks looking like freshman backup quarterbacks. JESUS CHRIST.Howard isn't a freshman.
Spencer Rattler is getting booed at home, D.J. Uiagalelei has the 99th best QBR in the country and y'all are firing coaches because our backups suck.
I swear to rough ridin' God.
Jaren Lewis is in year 3 of being in the program lol
Howard absolutely is a freshman and Lewis was on scout team until a month ago.
Post by: catastrophe on September 25, 2021, 09:38:18 PM
What’s your point? He still hasn’t started a single game yet.I swear to rough ridin' God if y'all don't stop blaming the coaches for freshman back up quarterbacks looking like freshman backup quarterbacks. JESUS CHRIST.Howard isn't a freshman.
Spencer Rattler is getting booed at home, D.J. Uiagalelei has the 99th best QBR in the country and y'all are firing coaches because our backups suck.
I swear to rough ridin' God.
Jaren Lewis is in year 3 of being in the program lol
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 09:39:56 PM
Losing six conference games in a row is bad. No sugar can coat that.
This wouldn't look so fraudulently arbitrary if we hadn't beat a team within this "streak" that's just as good as most of the teams we lost to.
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 09:40:14 PM
We'll see when the year is done. It's possible the first half was a fluke. It's also possible that we get run out of the building the rest of the yearI was crapping on the defense (and with some good reason),
Y'all lost your crap about three drives, it was an unfounded meltdown.
Ok, but that's not what a great or good defense would give up in a half.
It's college football, it absolutely happens. Flood Aggie had the #1 defense in the country coming into today and they had two shitty quarters too. Alabama gave up 50 to Ole Miss last year.
Post by: chum1 on September 25, 2021, 09:40:59 PM
Losing six conference games in a row is bad. No sugar can coat that.
COVID. The entire 2020 NCAA season was bullshit and doesn't count.
Post by: nicname on September 25, 2021, 09:41:48 PM
Weird they stayed w Lewis imo. Howard’s fall on his butt fumble after the Knowledge KOR miscue was all that separated us from a 1-score game, even including the rest of the offensive woes.
Thompson should go down as a huge “what might have been” in Cat history. I think he’ll show that when he comes back. A true cat.
Frustrating both our backups look so bad.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 09:42:07 PM
That's exactly the point, catastrophe. People are holding the coaches accountable for backup quarterbacks playing like backup quarterbacks.What’s your point? He still hasn’t started a single game yet.I swear to rough ridin' God if y'all don't stop blaming the coaches for freshman back up quarterbacks looking like freshman backup quarterbacks. JESUS CHRIST.Howard isn't a freshman.
Spencer Rattler is getting booed at home, D.J. Uiagalelei has the 99th best QBR in the country and y'all are firing coaches because our backups suck.
I swear to rough ridin' God.
Jaren Lewis is in year 3 of being in the program lol
Post by: nicname on September 25, 2021, 09:42:48 PM
we really miss Skylar :cry:
He’s pretty damn good
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 09:43:24 PM
No he was average. But we miss average.we really miss Skylar :cry:
He’s pretty damn good
Post by: TaqMan on September 25, 2021, 09:46:14 PM
Post by: catastrophe on September 25, 2021, 09:46:51 PM
Post by: nicname on September 25, 2021, 09:46:56 PM
No he was average. But we miss average.we really miss Skylar :cry:
He’s pretty damn good
Nah.
Post by: Hurricane Cat on September 25, 2021, 09:47:29 PM
Post by: nicname on September 25, 2021, 09:48:03 PM
IMO we should have been all in on Lewis since Sky went down. At least he hasn’t shown his ceiling yet. Howard had plenty of opportunity to develop and just never seemed to take much of a step forward.
Still think ruining Howard’s brain and gaining an extra blocker would have been the premier strategy.
Post by: wetwillie on September 25, 2021, 09:48:14 PM
What’s your point? He still hasn’t started a single game yet.I swear to rough ridin' God if y'all don't stop blaming the coaches for freshman back up quarterbacks looking like freshman backup quarterbacks. JESUS CHRIST.Howard isn't a freshman.
Spencer Rattler is getting booed at home, D.J. Uiagalelei has the 99th best QBR in the country and y'all are firing coaches because our backups suck.
I swear to rough ridin' God.
Jaren Lewis is in year 3 of being in the program lol
That he isn’t a freshman backup QB, he still looks lost despite having nearly 3 full years in the program.
Post by: nicname on September 25, 2021, 09:48:53 PM
Howard was hurt
Makes sense.
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 09:49:16 PM
I may have mocatted a number there, but we haven't lost six conference games since 1989. And it's looking really likely that seven and eight is imminent.Losing six conference games in a row is bad. No sugar can coat that.
COVID. The entire 2020 NCAA season was bullshit and doesn't count.
Post by: Hurricane Cat on September 25, 2021, 09:49:43 PM
IMO we should have been all in on Lewis since Sky went down. At least he hasn’t shown his ceiling yet. Howard had plenty of opportunity to develop and just never seemed to take much of a step forward.
Still think ruining Howard’s brain and gaining an extra blocker would have been the premier strategy.
I think this was the strategy
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 09:49:53 PM
No he was average. But we miss average.we really miss Skylar :cry:
He’s pretty damn good
He was better than average in 2019 and in the 4 games he's played since then.
Post by: catastrophe on September 25, 2021, 09:50:48 PM
He didn’t look lost to me. He looked like a guy without a ton of composure who didn’t want to try to fit the ball into tight windows after his INT. The announcers were talking about how much trouble our receivers had getting separation in the second half.What’s your point? He still hasn’t started a single game yet.I swear to rough ridin' God if y'all don't stop blaming the coaches for freshman back up quarterbacks looking like freshman backup quarterbacks. JESUS CHRIST.Howard isn't a freshman.
Spencer Rattler is getting booed at home, D.J. Uiagalelei has the 99th best QBR in the country and y'all are firing coaches because our backups suck.
I swear to rough ridin' God.
Jaren Lewis is in year 3 of being in the program lol
That he isn’t a freshman backup QB, he still looks lost despite having nearly 3 full years in the program.
Post by: wetwillie on September 25, 2021, 09:51:22 PM
Not the problem but still I feel like either the defense improves or we’re DOA without Sky. Barring a special teams TD or big defensive play it’s tough to imagine this offense ever getting over 30 points.I guess this game answers the question whether the Lynch Mob is back or not.
They gave up 24 points and pitched a shutout in the second half, all without stubblefield and green. The defense ain’t the problem.
I agree we are completely mumped offensively without Skylar
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 09:51:47 PM
Was he? Compared to what?No he was average. But we miss average.we really miss Skylar :cry:
He’s pretty damn good
He was better than average in 2019 and in the 4 games he's played since then.
Post by: michigancat on September 25, 2021, 09:52:08 PM
IMO we should have been all in on Lewis since Sky went down. At least he hasn’t shown his ceiling yet. Howard had plenty of opportunity to develop and just never seemed to take much of a step forward.I think Lewis has shown his ceiling
Post by: Hurricane Cat on September 25, 2021, 09:52:22 PM
No he was average. But we miss average.we really miss Skylar :cry:
He’s pretty damn good
He was better than average in 2019 and in the 4 games he's played since then.
Probably good enough to win today . . .
Post by: catastrophe on September 25, 2021, 09:52:35 PM
My plan B would be for us to have a backup like Sams who is never going to be a pro prospect but can run a lethal zone read / RPO playbook.IMO we should have been all in on Lewis since Sky went down. At least he hasn’t shown his ceiling yet. Howard had plenty of opportunity to develop and just never seemed to take much of a step forward.
Still think ruining Howard’s brain and gaining an extra blocker would have been the premier strategy.
I think this was the strategy
Post by: catastrophe on September 25, 2021, 09:53:20 PM
With zero starts.IMO we should have been all in on Lewis since Sky went down. At least he hasn’t shown his ceiling yet. Howard had plenty of opportunity to develop and just never seemed to take much of a step forward.I think Lewis has shown his ceiling
Someone needs to come get their mans.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 09:53:51 PM
What’s your point? He still hasn’t started a single game yet.I swear to rough ridin' God if y'all don't stop blaming the coaches for freshman back up quarterbacks looking like freshman backup quarterbacks. JESUS CHRIST.Howard isn't a freshman.
Spencer Rattler is getting booed at home, D.J. Uiagalelei has the 99th best QBR in the country and y'all are firing coaches because our backups suck.
I swear to rough ridin' God.
Jaren Lewis is in year 3 of being in the program lol
That he isn’t a freshman backup QB, he still looks lost despite having nearly 3 full years in the program.
Tell me the program in the country right now who has a scout team qb that would have looked competent not only playing but playing the first time on the road during a conference game in a sell out.
Considering the circumstance, he was absolutely serviceable.
Post by: nicname on September 25, 2021, 09:53:56 PM
My plan B would be for us to have a backup like Sams who is never going to be a pro prospect but can run a lethal zone read / RPO playbook.IMO we should have been all in on Lewis since Sky went down. At least he hasn’t shown his ceiling yet. Howard had plenty of opportunity to develop and just never seemed to take much of a step forward.
Still think ruining Howard’s brain and gaining an extra blocker would have been the premier strategy.
I think this was the strategy
:cry:
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 09:55:58 PM
My plan B would be for us to have a backup like Sams who is never going to be a pro prospect but can run a lethal zone read / RPO playbook.IMO we should have been all in on Lewis since Sky went down. At least he hasn’t shown his ceiling yet. Howard had plenty of opportunity to develop and just never seemed to take much of a step forward.
Still think ruining Howard’s brain and gaining an extra blocker would have been the premier strategy.
I think this was the strategy
We couldn't keep him here and that was before the transfer portal.
Post by: CHONGS on September 25, 2021, 09:56:10 PM
Post by: nicname on September 25, 2021, 09:56:15 PM
What’s your point? He still hasn’t started a single game yet.I swear to rough ridin' God if y'all don't stop blaming the coaches for freshman back up quarterbacks looking like freshman backup quarterbacks. JESUS CHRIST.Howard isn't a freshman.
Spencer Rattler is getting booed at home, D.J. Uiagalelei has the 99th best QBR in the country and y'all are firing coaches because our backups suck.
I swear to rough ridin' God.
Jaren Lewis is in year 3 of being in the program lol
That he isn’t a freshman backup QB, he still looks lost despite having nearly 3 full years in the program.
Tell me the program in the country right now who has a scout team qb that would have looked competent not only playing but playing the first time on the road during a conference game in a sell out.
Considering the circumstance, he was absolutely serviceable.
Neutral site but Norte Dame (a small catholic school) had a 3rd stringer look pretty decent today.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 10:00:31 PM
It's easy to find a excuse. Every program can find one if they look hard enough.
Yet I'm still waiting for someone to give me one.
Post by: nicname on September 25, 2021, 10:01:05 PM
Post by: Hurricane Cat on September 25, 2021, 10:02:25 PM
enjoying this weird argument about which of our under performing backup quarterbacks is the least impressive . . .
Post by: catastrophe on September 25, 2021, 10:03:50 PM
I get that. I’m just saying why not get an athlete who can play in packages and even take over a game when we’re desperate. I’m just sour on how our backups have played for as long as I can remember. It seems like we groom one kid to lead over the off-season and if that doesn’t work out we’re SOL. Klein and (to a lesser extent) Sams have to be the only non-season starting QBs in the last 15+ years who actually impressed while filling in.My plan B would be for us to have a backup like Sams who is never going to be a pro prospect but can run a lethal zone read / RPO playbook.IMO we should have been all in on Lewis since Sky went down. At least he hasn’t shown his ceiling yet. Howard had plenty of opportunity to develop and just never seemed to take much of a step forward.
Still think ruining Howard’s brain and gaining an extra blocker would have been the premier strategy.
I think this was the strategy
We couldn't keep him here and that was before the transfer portal.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 10:04:05 PM
What’s your point? He still hasn’t started a single game yet.I swear to rough ridin' God if y'all don't stop blaming the coaches for freshman back up quarterbacks looking like freshman backup quarterbacks. JESUS CHRIST.Howard isn't a freshman.
Spencer Rattler is getting booed at home, D.J. Uiagalelei has the 99th best QBR in the country and y'all are firing coaches because our backups suck.
I swear to rough ridin' God.
Jaren Lewis is in year 3 of being in the program lol
That he isn’t a freshman backup QB, he still looks lost despite having nearly 3 full years in the program.
Tell me the program in the country right now who has a scout team qb that would have looked competent not only playing but playing the first time on the road during a conference game in a sell out.
Considering the circumstance, he was absolutely serviceable.
Neutral site but Norte Dame (a small catholic school) had a 3rd stringer look pretty decent today.
lol, he was the backup and he was 6/8 for 81 yards. He had less completions, less yards, and a lower QBR than Will Howard did when he came in for Skylar against Texas Tech.
Y'all keep reaching
Post by: wetwillie on September 25, 2021, 10:08:19 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 10:10:36 PM
I get that. I’m just saying why not get an athlete who can play in packages and even take over a game when we’re desperate. I’m just sour on how our backups have played for as long as I can remember. It seems like we groom one kid to lead over the off-season and if that doesn’t work out we’re SOL. Klein and (to a lesser extent Sams) have to be the only non-season starting QBs in the last 15+ years who actually impressed while filling in.My plan B would be for us to have a backup like Sams who is never going to be a pro prospect but can run a lethal zone read / RPO playbook.IMO we should have been all in on Lewis since Sky went down. At least he hasn’t shown his ceiling yet. Howard had plenty of opportunity to develop and just never seemed to take much of a step forward.
Still think ruining Howard’s brain and gaining an extra blocker would have been the premier strategy.
I think this was the strategy
We couldn't keep him here and that was before the transfer portal.
If it was something that was easy to do everyone would do it. I mean that's what we did with Will last year and the last week and a half. In both cases it worked, until it didn't. You're not going to be able to gimmick through an entire season.
We'll find a QB in the transfer portal next year, I have no doubts. I think Mr. Bean stinks but he's better than Will and Jaren. We can find someone at least as good as Mr. Bean who wants to share the backfield with Deuce. Klieman better hope like hell he can, because I don't think these three guys are it.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 10:12:36 PM
Post by: kstate4life on September 25, 2021, 10:12:40 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 10:17:31 PM
I’ll admit I’m not expert, but it makes absolutely no sense to me that Rubley doesn’t get a snap in this game. If Howard is hurt, and Lewis can’t get a single first down, why not? I don’t care if he’s not ready, he won’t lose a redshirt, and that’s just extra experience in a game you for sure would lose without him anyway.
The game was still in doubt after Deuce's touchdown. Also it isn't clear that Rubley is the next guy up. Last week Klieman was asked about the next QB after Lewis and he mentioned Max Marsh and Rubley together.
Post by: michigancat on September 25, 2021, 10:19:05 PM
Post by: kstate4life on September 25, 2021, 10:20:49 PM
It was in doubt right after, but not after we did nothing on O for 4 straight drives. I personally had no doubt we were losing with Lewis still in after that. And that’s fine if Rubley isn’t next. Throw Marsh in there. Anything else please.I’ll admit I’m not expert, but it makes absolutely no sense to me that Rubley doesn’t get a snap in this game. If Howard is hurt, and Lewis can’t get a single first down, why not? I don’t care if he’s not ready, he won’t lose a redshirt, and that’s just extra experience in a game you for sure would lose without him anyway.
The game was still in doubt after Deuce's touchdown. Also it isn't clear that Rubley is the next guy up. Last week Klieman was asked about the next QB after Lewis and he mentioned Max Marsh and Rubley together.
Post by: Hurricane Cat on September 25, 2021, 10:39:10 PM
Was Howard really hurt or was that fake news?
Good question.
Here is Klieman's quote from the postgame presser:
On Will Howard...
“He got hurt in the first half, and he couldn't go anymore in the first half. At halftime they did some things to work on
him. He tried to go in the second half and just couldn’t run the way he needed to run. Obviously in that first series,
we were able to get some quarterback run game going. When we lost Will, it took some of the play calling that
Coach Messingham was wanting to do away because that’s Will’s forte and not as much Jaren.”
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 10:40:28 PM
Nick Ast was Will's backup last year, he's now a WR at UTEP.
John Holcombe isn't playing college football
Chris Herron no longer plays football
Ryan Hennington is a linebacker
Klieman has signed Howard, Marsh, and Rubley. If he doesn't get another freshman and a ready to play transfer then he should rightly be criticized for the position, he was handed a pretty crap hand though and if Rubley turns out to be a miss it makes a bad situation worse.
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 25, 2021, 10:41:03 PM
I’m feeling good this morning and think we cruise to victory today. Setting up a great matchup next week against OU.I didn’t read anything after posting this but this did NOT age well. :flush:
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 10:45:15 PM
Whenever Skylar comes back you can bet your ass I'll be thinking we'll win every game.
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 25, 2021, 10:54:31 PM
I don't think you need to beat yourself up for being optimistic about your team. Not everything needs to be a cynic competition.Oh, I’m not, trust me lol. I care so much less now than I used to. Maybe it’s because I’m away from it all, or that I’ve accepted the fact we had our 2 chances at winning a natty and pissed them away, never to have a chance again. IDK.
Whenever Skylar comes back you can bet your ass I'll be thinking we'll win every game.
I just felt like OSU kinda sucked and looking at their wins so far they really do suck. So it’s more of just a disappointment that we just gave a game away we shouldn’t have, not because we suck or I thought we were better, we just didn’t execute an average game.
Post by: nicname on September 25, 2021, 10:55:29 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 25, 2021, 10:55:55 PM
One other thing regarding the QBs. None of the four played college football before last season. Lewis redshirted in '19 then played scout team last year. Howard and Marsh were true freshmen last year, no spring or summer football for them. Rubley played 5 high school football games last year.
Nick Ast was Will's backup last year, he's now a WR at UTEP.
John Holcombe isn't playing college football
Chris Herron no longer plays football
Ryan Hennington is a linebacker
Klieman has signed Howard, Marsh, and Rubley. If he doesn't get another freshman and a ready to play transfer then he should rightly be criticized for the position, he was handed a pretty crap hand though and if Rubley turns out to be a miss it makes a bad situation worse.
Lewis is a Klieman recruit, flipped him from NDSU. I agree they will target a transfer QB heavily in the off-season, they have to given how bad the QB room is. As far as I can tell they have no plans to sign a HS QB for 2022, unless it’s a super under recruited under the radar guy in February.
Post by: nicname on September 25, 2021, 10:57:43 PM
Sucks baybay got hurt, we have so few playmakers as it is. Hopefully we can get sky back for the clones as well.
Yeah he would have helped.
Post by: nicname on September 25, 2021, 10:59:38 PM
One other thing regarding the QBs. None of the four played college football before last season. Lewis redshirted in '19 then played scout team last year. Howard and Marsh were true freshmen last year, no spring or summer football for them. Rubley played 5 high school football games last year.
Nick Ast was Will's backup last year, he's now a WR at UTEP.
John Holcombe isn't playing college football
Chris Herron no longer plays football
Ryan Hennington is a linebacker
Klieman has signed Howard, Marsh, and Rubley. If he doesn't get another freshman and a ready to play transfer then he should rightly be criticized for the position, he was handed a pretty crap hand though and if Rubley turns out to be a miss it makes a bad situation worse.
Do you think Hennington could run the Klein battering ram offense?
Post by: nicname on September 25, 2021, 11:00:13 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 25, 2021, 11:03:45 PM
I wonder what CCQ would do with this offense.
He basically had an NFL WR Corp compared to this years targets. Honestly our WR Corp this year is likely a large part of why our QB play looks so bad.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 11:08:05 PM
One other thing regarding the QBs. None of the four played college football before last season. Lewis redshirted in '19 then played scout team last year. Howard and Marsh were true freshmen last year, no spring or summer football for them. Rubley played 5 high school football games last year.
Nick Ast was Will's backup last year, he's now a WR at UTEP.
John Holcombe isn't playing college football
Chris Herron no longer plays football
Ryan Hennington is a linebacker
Klieman has signed Howard, Marsh, and Rubley. If he doesn't get another freshman and a ready to play transfer then he should rightly be criticized for the position, he was handed a pretty crap hand though and if Rubley turns out to be a miss it makes a bad situation worse.
Lewis is a Klieman recruit, flipped him from NDSU. I agree they will target a transfer QB heavily in the off-season, they have to given how bad the QB room is. As far as I can tell they have no plans to sign a HS QB for 2022, unless it’s a super under recruited under the radar guy in February.
Yeah, he wouldn't have signed Lewis if he didn't have literally a week before signing day to find someone. Howard and obviously Rubley had much better offers.
I'm pretty sure we have a couple of QB targets but I'm not sure, I don't have a KSO membership anymore. He has said, more than once, that he wants a QB in every class.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2021, 11:08:45 PM
I wonder what CCQ would do with this offense.
He basically had an NFL WR Corp compared to this years targets. Honestly our WR Corp this year is likely a large part of why our QB play looks so bad.
How do you figure?
Post by: wetwillie on September 25, 2021, 11:45:43 PM
One other thing regarding the QBs. None of the four played college footballbefore last season. Lewis redshirted in '19 then played scout team last year. Howard and Marsh were true freshmen last year, no spring or summer football for them. Rubley played 5 high school football games last year.One other thing regarding the QBs. None of the four played college football before last season. Lewis redshirted in '19 then played scout team last year. Howard and Marsh were true freshmen last year, no spring or summer football for them. Rubley played 5 high school football games last year.
Nick Ast was Will's backup last year, he's now a WR at UTEP.
John Holcombe isn't playing college football
Chris Herron no longer plays football
Ryan Hennington is a linebacker
Klieman has signed Howard, Marsh, and Rubley. If he doesn't get another freshman and a ready to play transfer then he should rightly be criticized for the position, he was handed a pretty crap hand though and if Rubley turns out to be a miss it makes a bad situation worse.
Lewis is a Klieman recruit, flipped him from NDSU. I agree they will target a transfer QB heavily in the off-season, they have to given how bad the QB room is. As far as I can tell they have no plans to sign a HS QB for 2022, unless it’s a super under recruited under the radar guy in February.
Yeah, he wouldn't have signed Lewis if he didn't have literally a week before signing day to find someone. Howard and obviously Rubley had much better offers.
I'm pretty sure we have a couple of QB targets but I'm not sure, I don't have a KSO membership anymore. He has said, more than once, that he wants a QB in every class.
Nick Ast was Will's backup last year, he's now a WR at UTEP.
John Holcombe isn't playing college football
Chris Herron no longer plays football
Ryan Hennington is a linebacker
Klieman has signed Howard, Marsh, and Rubley. If he doesn't get another freshman and a ready to play transfer then he should rightly be criticized for the position, he was handed a pretty crap hand though and if Rubley turns out to be a miss it makes a bad situation worse.
Lewis is a Klieman recruit, flipped him from NDSU. I agree they will target a transfer QB heavily in the off-season, they have to given how bad the QB room is. As far as I can tell they have no plans to sign a HS QB for 2022, unless it’s a super under recruited under the radar guy in February.
Yeah, he wouldn't have signed Lewis if he didn't have literally a week before signing day to find someone. Howard and obviously Rubley had much better offers.
I'm pretty sure we have a couple of QB targets but I'm not sure, I don't have a KSO membership anymore. He has said, more than once, that he wants a QB in every class.
He already had Chris Herron in the class, they didn’t have to sign another QB. In regards to 2022 they have missed on every single target and the last known target is likely going to elect to play baseball at Nebraska or be a dual sport guy at KU.
Post by: PurpleOil on September 26, 2021, 08:54:45 AM
Lotta football to be played!
WELL WELL WELL
My phone says we're still down two possessions. Is this not correct?
Go hang some drywall, squawk
I feel like a lot of you are taking your frustrations with the sub par team out on me, and it's making me sad. :(
Yeah, because we love that Cats, and you’re an bad person.
After reading the rest of this thread, it would appear that I was only one quarter ahead of the rest of you guys in both perception and attitude. I'll start accepting apologies whenever you're ready to acknowledge I was right.
So far, the only difference I'm seeing with our offense from last year, is that this year we were able to win 3 OOC games. Now, there still is a lot of football left to be played this season, and no one in the conference really looks that good, so who knows what will happen. But right now, we don't seem to have any improvement from where we were last year. Also, our QB play is terrible and we're not going to have any surprise upsets with Howard or Lewis under center. They just don't have what it takes. The excuse that they're back up QB's is also a bad one. Howard has had plenty of time to improve and he's still a turnover machine. Plenty of other programs have had backups come in and win in clutch moments. The one that sticks out in my mind is Saban benching his starter mid championship game for a true freshman. I remember Texas having to play a true freshman after McCoy went down in their championship game. Now sure, those are loaded teams and extreme examples, but the point still remains. We made a bowl game using a wide receiver as a QB, and were competitive in the games we lost that season as well, outside of Oklahoma.
Again, unless things change, we're looking at limping into a bowl game with a 6-6 record and abysmal QB play.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 26, 2021, 09:26:08 AM
Post by: pissclams on September 26, 2021, 09:31:30 AM
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on September 26, 2021, 12:49:47 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 26, 2021, 01:17:34 PM
Let's not look over the fact Messingham thinks Will Howard's forte is running the ball
He's pretty good at it, Luke.
Post by: michigancat on September 26, 2021, 01:35:39 PM
Let's not look over the fact Messingham thinks Will Howard's forte is running the ball
He's pretty good at it, Luke.
Yeah it's wild people watch him and don't realize how athletic he is.
Post by: star seed 7 on September 26, 2021, 01:59:18 PM
Let's not look over the fact Messingham thinks Will Howard's forte is running the ball
He's pretty good at it, Luke.
Yeah it's wild people watch him and don't realize how athletic he is.
I think it's offset by things like rolling around at the goal line trying to find the football resting next to him
Post by: wetwillie on September 26, 2021, 02:03:52 PM
Let's not look over the fact Messingham thinks Will Howard's forte is running the ball
He's pretty good at it, Luke.
Yeah it's wild people watch him and don't realize how athletic he is.
I think it's offset by things like rolling around at the goal line trying to find the football resting next to him
He is a fumble machine
Post by: Trim on September 26, 2021, 02:14:16 PM
Post by: nicname on September 26, 2021, 02:26:10 PM
https://twitter.com/nocontextcfb/status/1315069299417993216
Let's not look over the fact Messingham thinks Will Howard's forte is running the ball
He's pretty good at it, Luke.
Yeah it's wild people watch him and don't realize how athletic he is.
I think it's offset by things like rolling around at the goal line trying to find the football resting next to him
He is a fumble machine
Yes, yes and yes.
Howard is a pretty good runner. He has a pretty decent arm. But good gravy if he isn’t piling up a true highlight reel of Butt-fumblesque miscues.
Granted, Lewis’ wild scramble to interception was right up their with Howard’s.
Post by: michigancat on September 26, 2021, 02:36:32 PM
https://twitter.com/nocontextcfb/status/1315069299417993216He had an 80 yard run the same game!
Post by: Trim on September 26, 2021, 04:15:00 PM
https://twitter.com/nocontextcfb/status/1315069299417993216He had an 80 yard run the same game!
I think the higher prospects of him tripping over his own feet or fumbling the ball for no reason make it easier for him to get those long runs against defenses that dismiss his ability to ever do so.
Post by: nicname on September 26, 2021, 04:21:28 PM
Fire everyone, Clemson. Fire everyone.
Post by: wiley on September 26, 2021, 04:43:56 PM
How shitty must Clemson be at recruiting QBs and having capable backups? I mean, yeah Trevor Lawrence was pretty good, but they looked like garbage when he went down. They’ve been worse than pedestrian since he’s left as well.I think the growing thought at Clemson is Jeff Scott may have been the brains behind the offense? Because it's been really downhill since Jeff Scott left for USF. But reading through Clemson forums, it sounds like fans aren't really high on bringing Scott back if he gets fired at USF.
Fire everyone, Clemson. Fire everyone.
*i fully expect them to fire the OC at the end of the year.
Post by: michigancat on September 26, 2021, 05:31:53 PM
Yeah that makes sensehttps://twitter.com/nocontextcfb/status/1315069299417993216He had an 80 yard run the same game!
I think the higher prospects of him tripping over his own feet or fumbling the ball for no reason make it easier for him to get those long runs against defenses that dismiss his ability to ever do so.
Post by: wiley on September 26, 2021, 06:03:32 PM
Those ridiculously long runs only happen on the first possession anyway.Yeah that makes sensehttps://twitter.com/nocontextcfb/status/1315069299417993216He had an 80 yard run the same game!
I think the higher prospects of him tripping over his own feet or fumbling the ball for no reason make it easier for him to get those long runs against defenses that dismiss his ability to ever do so.
Post by: michigancat on September 26, 2021, 06:08:30 PM
Opposing DCs are a bunch of ding dongs!Those ridiculously long runs only happen on the first possession anyway.Yeah that makes sensehttps://twitter.com/nocontextcfb/status/1315069299417993216He had an 80 yard run the same game!
I think the higher prospects of him tripping over his own feet or fumbling the ball for no reason make it easier for him to get those long runs against defenses that dismiss his ability to ever do so.
Post by: wiley on September 26, 2021, 06:11:49 PM
That statement is not without some validity.Opposing DCs are a bunch of ding dongs!Those ridiculously long runs only happen on the first possession anyway.Yeah that makes sensehttps://twitter.com/nocontextcfb/status/1315069299417993216He had an 80 yard run the same game!
I think the higher prospects of him tripping over his own feet or fumbling the ball for no reason make it easier for him to get those long runs against defenses that dismiss his ability to ever do so.
Post by: nicname on September 26, 2021, 06:44:22 PM
How shitty must Clemson be at recruiting QBs and having capable backups? I mean, yeah Trevor Lawrence was pretty good, but they looked like garbage when he went down. They’ve been worse than pedestrian since he’s left as well.I think the growing thought at Clemson is Jeff Scott may have been the brains behind the offense? Because it's been really downhill since Jeff Scott left for USF. But reading through Clemson forums, it sounds like fans aren't really high on bringing Scott back if he gets fired at USF.
Fire everyone, Clemson. Fire everyone.
*i fully expect them to fire the OC at the end of the year.
Let me rephrase. I’m guessing nearly every team’s offense, even the really good ones, typically looks like hot garbage when the starter goes down. When you get to the third stringer … welp.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 26, 2021, 10:14:43 PM
How shitty must Clemson be at recruiting QBs and having capable backups? I mean, yeah Trevor Lawrence was pretty good, but they looked like garbage when he went down. They’ve been worse than pedestrian since he’s left as well.
Fire everyone, Clemson. Fire everyone.
Only K-State has quarterback issues, the rest of college football have perfectly capable quarterbacks, four or five deep.
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on September 27, 2021, 03:45:20 PM
I really don't think you can be considered a good runner if you are clumsy AF which Will Howard is. If we want to run option and QB run all game then recruit a goddamn running QB.Let's not look over the fact Messingham thinks Will Howard's forte is running the ball
He's pretty good at it, Luke.
Yeah it's wild people watch him and don't realize how athletic he is.
I think it's offset by things like rolling around at the goal line trying to find the football resting next to him
Post by: MakeItRain on September 28, 2021, 03:28:06 AM
I really don't think you can be considered a good runner if you are clumsy AF which Will Howard is. If we want to run option and QB run all game then recruit a goddamn running QB.Let's not look over the fact Messingham thinks Will Howard's forte is running the ball
He's pretty good at it, Luke.
Yeah it's wild people watch him and don't realize how athletic he is.
I think it's offset by things like rolling around at the goal line trying to find the football resting next to him
We don't run the option and Will was recruited as a dual threat QB, he had 500 rushing yards and 21 touchdowns in high school.
Jaren Lewis was not a high school dual threat, btw, he was a pro style QB.
Post by: kstate4life on September 28, 2021, 10:51:21 AM
Post by: wetwillie on September 28, 2021, 10:55:35 AM
Not sure if it's even comparable or not, but I was watching the Oregon St game Saturday night and was thinking how much more of a badass Sam Noyer is than any other QB we have, including Thompson. Then I compared his recruiting profile to Howard's and they are basically identical, Howard had way more legit offers. Granted Noyer has had more time and experience, but it is night and day in their abilities. Makes me think the nepotism for our QB coach wasn't very smart.
I think Will Howard’s committable offers were KU, KSU, Maryland. He’s honestly a pretty decent pickup outside his propensity to fumble. I agree development of QB’s has been less than desirable.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 28, 2021, 12:11:15 PM
Not sure if it's even comparable or not, but I was watching the Oregon St game Saturday night and was thinking how much more of a badass Sam Noyer is than any other QB we have, including Thompson. Then I compared his recruiting profile to Howard's and they are basically identical, Howard had way more legit offers. Granted Noyer has had more time and experience, but it is night and day in their abilities. Makes me think the nepotism for our QB coach wasn't very smart.
What the hell are you talking about? First of all, Sam Noyer didn't play a single second of the Oregon State USC game, unless he's the holder on field goals. Noyer is the backup who has gone 11-21 with 101 yards 0 TDs and 2 INTs. Chance Nolan, the quarterback you saw, was very good, but he also plays in a very different offense. He had 4 TDs which is awesome, no doubt. Skylar Thompson has had four different 4 TD games, three of those against a top 10 team. Very weird place and time to hate on Skylar.
I don't know what nepotism has to do with our quarterback coach or what our quarterback coach has to do with Oregon State quarterbacks. I also have no idea what the role of quarterback coach is with skill level and development of quarterbacks and I'm guessing none of the rest of us do either.
Post by: kstate4life on September 28, 2021, 02:06:05 PM
Not sure if it's even comparable or not, but I was watching the Oregon St game Saturday night and was thinking how much more of a badass Sam Noyer is than any other QB we have, including Thompson. Then I compared his recruiting profile to Howard's and they are basically identical, Howard had way more legit offers. Granted Noyer has had more time and experience, but it is night and day in their abilities. Makes me think the nepotism for our QB coach wasn't very smart.
What the hell are you talking about? First of all, Sam Noyer didn't play a single second of the Oregon State USC game, unless he's the holder on field goals. Noyer is the backup who has gone 11-21 with 101 yards 0 TDs and 2 INTs. Chance Nolan, the quarterback you saw, was very good, but he also plays in a very different offense. He had 4 TDs which is awesome, no doubt. Skylar Thompson has had four different 4 TD games, three of those against a top 10 team. Very weird place and time to hate on Skylar.
I don't know what nepotism has to do with our quarterback coach or what our quarterback coach has to do with Oregon State quarterbacks. I also have no idea what the role of quarterback coach is with skill level and development of quarterbacks and I'm guessing none of the rest of us do either.
Damnit, you are right. I got Noyer and Nolan mixed up. Classic mistake.. I had several beers that day.
I guess all I was saying was that I was watching him and thought damn, I wish we could get a guy like that (he is also just a 3 star guy with no more offers than Howard in the same class). He was making ridiculous throws that impressed me, no matter what offense they run. As far as comparing him to Skylar, he was making much better reads and throws than I have ever seen Skylar make. That is my several beers down opinion. As far as the nepotism thing goes.. you think Klein would have a QB coaching gig at a D1 school other than K-State?
Edit: Nolan was a juco guy, so he does have more experience than Howard.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 28, 2021, 02:15:48 PM
Not sure if it's even comparable or not, but I was watching the Oregon St game Saturday night and was thinking how much more of a badass Sam Noyer is than any other QB we have, including Thompson. Then I compared his recruiting profile to Howard's and they are basically identical, Howard had way more legit offers. Granted Noyer has had more time and experience, but it is night and day in their abilities. Makes me think the nepotism for our QB coach wasn't very smart.
What the hell are you talking about? First of all, Sam Noyer didn't play a single second of the Oregon State USC game, unless he's the holder on field goals. Noyer is the backup who has gone 11-21 with 101 yards 0 TDs and 2 INTs. Chance Nolan, the quarterback you saw, was very good, but he also plays in a very different offense. He had 4 TDs which is awesome, no doubt. Skylar Thompson has had four different 4 TD games, three of those against a top 10 team. Very weird place and time to hate on Skylar.
I don't know what nepotism has to do with our quarterback coach or what our quarterback coach has to do with Oregon State quarterbacks. I also have no idea what the role of quarterback coach is with skill level and development of quarterbacks and I'm guessing none of the rest of us do either.
Damnit, you are right. I got Noyer and Nolan mixed up. Classic mistake.. I had several beers that day.
I guess all I was saying was that I was watching him and thought damn, I wish we could get a guy like that (he is also just a 3 star guy with no more offers than Howard in the same class). He was making ridiculous throws that impressed me, no matter what offense they run. As far as comparing him to Skylar, he was making much better reads and throws than I have ever seen Skylar make. That is my several beers down opinion. As far as the nepotism thing goes.. you think Klein would have a QB coaching gig at a D1 school other than K-State?
Edit: Nolan was a juco guy, so he does have more experience than Howard.
I have no idea, I don't even know what a QB coach does so I can't speak to his qualifications or lack thereof. My guess is that there were probably other QB coaches who weren't Heisman finalists. I also know that if this was a case of nepotism, as you call it, I don't know why the coaches would have forced him to leave K-State after he was done as a grad assistant, like they did. Then he was retained by a whole new staff who didn't coach him.
Post by: kstate4life on September 28, 2021, 02:22:19 PM
Not sure if it's even comparable or not, but I was watching the Oregon St game Saturday night and was thinking how much more of a badass Sam Noyer is than any other QB we have, including Thompson. Then I compared his recruiting profile to Howard's and they are basically identical, Howard had way more legit offers. Granted Noyer has had more time and experience, but it is night and day in their abilities. Makes me think the nepotism for our QB coach wasn't very smart.
What the hell are you talking about? First of all, Sam Noyer didn't play a single second of the Oregon State USC game, unless he's the holder on field goals. Noyer is the backup who has gone 11-21 with 101 yards 0 TDs and 2 INTs. Chance Nolan, the quarterback you saw, was very good, but he also plays in a very different offense. He had 4 TDs which is awesome, no doubt. Skylar Thompson has had four different 4 TD games, three of those against a top 10 team. Very weird place and time to hate on Skylar.
I don't know what nepotism has to do with our quarterback coach or what our quarterback coach has to do with Oregon State quarterbacks. I also have no idea what the role of quarterback coach is with skill level and development of quarterbacks and I'm guessing none of the rest of us do either.
Damnit, you are right. I got Noyer and Nolan mixed up. Classic mistake.. I had several beers that day.
I guess all I was saying was that I was watching him and thought damn, I wish we could get a guy like that (he is also just a 3 star guy with no more offers than Howard in the same class). He was making ridiculous throws that impressed me, no matter what offense they run. As far as comparing him to Skylar, he was making much better reads and throws than I have ever seen Skylar make. That is my several beers down opinion. As far as the nepotism thing goes.. you think Klein would have a QB coaching gig at a D1 school other than K-State?
Edit: Nolan was a juco guy, so he does have more experience than Howard.
I have no idea, I don't even know what a QB coach does so I can't speak to his qualifications or lack thereof. My guess is that there were probably other QB coaches who weren't Heisman finalists. I also know that if this was a case of nepotism, as you call it, I don't know why the coaches would have forced him to leave K-State after he was done as a grad assistant, like they did. Then he was retained by a whole new staff who didn't coach him.
Yeah my assumption is QB coaches are for coaching up the QBs. Help them develop and get better, etc. I just don't see that happening at K-State currently. Klein also recruited Howard, so I am sure that is also in the job description.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 28, 2021, 03:13:05 PM
Not sure if it's even comparable or not, but I was watching the Oregon St game Saturday night and was thinking how much more of a badass Sam Noyer is than any other QB we have, including Thompson. Then I compared his recruiting profile to Howard's and they are basically identical, Howard had way more legit offers. Granted Noyer has had more time and experience, but it is night and day in their abilities. Makes me think the nepotism for our QB coach wasn't very smart.
What the hell are you talking about? First of all, Sam Noyer didn't play a single second of the Oregon State USC game, unless he's the holder on field goals. Noyer is the backup who has gone 11-21 with 101 yards 0 TDs and 2 INTs. Chance Nolan, the quarterback you saw, was very good, but he also plays in a very different offense. He had 4 TDs which is awesome, no doubt. Skylar Thompson has had four different 4 TD games, three of those against a top 10 team. Very weird place and time to hate on Skylar.
I don't know what nepotism has to do with our quarterback coach or what our quarterback coach has to do with Oregon State quarterbacks. I also have no idea what the role of quarterback coach is with skill level and development of quarterbacks and I'm guessing none of the rest of us do either.
Damnit, you are right. I got Noyer and Nolan mixed up. Classic mistake.. I had several beers that day.
I guess all I was saying was that I was watching him and thought damn, I wish we could get a guy like that (he is also just a 3 star guy with no more offers than Howard in the same class). He was making ridiculous throws that impressed me, no matter what offense they run. As far as comparing him to Skylar, he was making much better reads and throws than I have ever seen Skylar make. That is my several beers down opinion. As far as the nepotism thing goes.. you think Klein would have a QB coaching gig at a D1 school other than K-State?
Edit: Nolan was a juco guy, so he does have more experience than Howard.
I have no idea, I don't even know what a QB coach does so I can't speak to his qualifications or lack thereof. My guess is that there were probably other QB coaches who weren't Heisman finalists. I also know that if this was a case of nepotism, as you call it, I don't know why the coaches would have forced him to leave K-State after he was done as a grad assistant, like they did. Then he was retained by a whole new staff who didn't coach him.
Yeah my assumption is QB coaches are for coaching up the QBs. Help them develop and get better, etc. I just don't see that happening at K-State currently. Klein also recruited Howard, so I am sure that is also in the job description.
You don't think Skylar Thompson is better than he was as a freshman and sophomore?
Post by: kstate4life on September 28, 2021, 04:00:48 PM
Not sure if it's even comparable or not, but I was watching the Oregon St game Saturday night and was thinking how much more of a badass Sam Noyer is than any other QB we have, including Thompson. Then I compared his recruiting profile to Howard's and they are basically identical, Howard had way more legit offers. Granted Noyer has had more time and experience, but it is night and day in their abilities. Makes me think the nepotism for our QB coach wasn't very smart.
What the hell are you talking about? First of all, Sam Noyer didn't play a single second of the Oregon State USC game, unless he's the holder on field goals. Noyer is the backup who has gone 11-21 with 101 yards 0 TDs and 2 INTs. Chance Nolan, the quarterback you saw, was very good, but he also plays in a very different offense. He had 4 TDs which is awesome, no doubt. Skylar Thompson has had four different 4 TD games, three of those against a top 10 team. Very weird place and time to hate on Skylar.
I don't know what nepotism has to do with our quarterback coach or what our quarterback coach has to do with Oregon State quarterbacks. I also have no idea what the role of quarterback coach is with skill level and development of quarterbacks and I'm guessing none of the rest of us do either.
Damnit, you are right. I got Noyer and Nolan mixed up. Classic mistake.. I had several beers that day.
I guess all I was saying was that I was watching him and thought damn, I wish we could get a guy like that (he is also just a 3 star guy with no more offers than Howard in the same class). He was making ridiculous throws that impressed me, no matter what offense they run. As far as comparing him to Skylar, he was making much better reads and throws than I have ever seen Skylar make. That is my several beers down opinion. As far as the nepotism thing goes.. you think Klein would have a QB coaching gig at a D1 school other than K-State?
Edit: Nolan was a juco guy, so he does have more experience than Howard.
I have no idea, I don't even know what a QB coach does so I can't speak to his qualifications or lack thereof. My guess is that there were probably other QB coaches who weren't Heisman finalists. I also know that if this was a case of nepotism, as you call it, I don't know why the coaches would have forced him to leave K-State after he was done as a grad assistant, like they did. Then he was retained by a whole new staff who didn't coach him.
Yeah my assumption is QB coaches are for coaching up the QBs. Help them develop and get better, etc. I just don't see that happening at K-State currently. Klein also recruited Howard, so I am sure that is also in the job description.
You don't think Skylar Thompson is better than he was as a freshman and sophomore?
Well considering we have only had one full season with Skylar QB\Klein QB coach under Klieman, and he hasn't played much since, there is nothing to compare that too. I do know that in the first game he still had the same issues with the deep balls that he has always had. I was more speaking toward Howard not appearing to be any better than he was last year, etc. Time will tell with Rubley, as you have previously mentioned.
Post by: nicname on September 28, 2021, 08:15:06 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 28, 2021, 08:40:56 PM
At this point I don't see how anyone who has actually watched KSU fball the past few seasons, and has a moderately functioning brain, can't see that Thompson is a vastly improved player from where he was in 2019, which was serviceable at worst.
people see what they want to see
Post by: wetwillie on September 28, 2021, 08:54:13 PM
At this point I don't see how anyone who has actually watched KSU fball the past few seasons, and has a moderately functioning brain, can't see that Thompson is a vastly improved player from where he was in 2019, which was serviceable at worst.
Do you mean 2018?
Post by: nicname on September 28, 2021, 10:18:33 PM
At this point I don't see how anyone who has actually watched KSU fball the past few seasons, and has a moderately functioning brain, can't see that Thompson is a vastly improved player from where he was in 2019, which was serviceable at worst.
Do you mean 2018?
I mean 2019.
Post by: wetwillie on September 28, 2021, 11:31:09 PM
At this point I don't see how anyone who has actually watched KSU fball the past few seasons, and has a moderately functioning brain, can't see that Thompson is a vastly improved player from where he was in 2019, which was serviceable at worst.
Do you mean 2018?
I mean 2019.
His only real body of work is 2018 and 2019, he had more passing attempts (83) in 2017 than 2020 and 2021 combined. If your argument is he got better from 2018 to 2019 there is some marginal evidence for that but after 2019 he has hardly played any games.