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Title: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: KanSt43 on September 14, 2021, 11:31:54 AM
I don’t know a thing about the guy besides looking up his HS Senior stats (throwing for 2,900 and running for 700 with 36 total TD’s). Will he ever see the field? Or is he destined to be the next Sammy Lamur? Does he look good in warmups?

I bet he wouldn’t turn the ball over at least….
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: michigancat on September 14, 2021, 11:36:05 AM
I bet he wouldn’t turn the ball over at least….

why would you bet that?
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: Kid In the Hall on September 14, 2021, 12:33:36 PM
He's so good the K-State SIDs called him Jared Lewis in their notes this week. They only misspell the names of the really good ones.
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: Purple Derpathy on September 14, 2021, 01:53:12 PM
Looks mobile and loves the deep ball. We're going to run all day anyways. Might as well let this kid rip it on 3rd and 8 which is going to be a likely down and distance come Saturday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tAc_xAQWeM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tAc_xAQWeM)
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: Skipper44 on September 14, 2021, 02:03:03 PM
On a scale from Jason Smargisso to Matt Miller i think he can be a Grant Gregory after a review of his sr season highlights on hudl
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: WildcatNation on September 14, 2021, 02:51:38 PM
At this point, I would give him a shot. Why not? I am sorry but Will does not have it.
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: michigancat on September 14, 2021, 03:00:14 PM
At this point, I would give him a shot. Why not?

one reason is he's probably worse :dunno:
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: Purple Derpathy on September 14, 2021, 04:04:49 PM
At this point, I would give him a shot. Why not?

one reason is he's probably worse :dunno:

Unlikely. Will Howard had a QBR of 9.6 last game and showed he had only regressed from last year and we were playing against a cupcake squad.

I'm willing to take a risk here even if it's just run, run, 50-yard bomb. At this point, if you can take a snap and not turn the ball over, you're a good candidate to be our starting QB.
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: j-von on September 14, 2021, 04:05:24 PM
At this point, I would give him a shot. Why not?

one reason is he's probably worse :dunno:

My brain is having a difficult time envisioning a QB worse than Will. 
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: WildcatNation on September 14, 2021, 04:48:33 PM
At this point, I would give him a shot. Why not?

one reason is he's probably worse :dunno:

My brain is having a difficult time envisioning a QB worse than Will.
I think it is almost statistically impossible to be worse than Will and his QBR of 9.
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: Pete on September 14, 2021, 06:36:08 PM
At this point, I would give him a shot. Why not?

one reason is he's probably worse :dunno:

I think our coaching staff is enamored with the physical stature of Will Howard.  In Kleinman's comments about him today he noted how much he weighed (240).  So the eff what?  Todd Reesing probably weighed 160.  Now, I can't be too harsh on them, because they did sign Deuce, who does not "look the part."
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: wetwillie on September 14, 2021, 06:37:36 PM
At this point, I would give him a shot. Why not?



one reason is he's probably worse :dunno:

I think our coaching staff is enamored with the physical stature of Will Howard.  In Kleinman's comments about him today he noted how much he weighed (240).  So the eff what?  Todd Reesing probably weighed 160.  Now, I can't be too harsh on them, because they did sign Deuce, who does not "look the part."

Yea I imagine they can’t run the ball with the QB the way they want with Jaren like they can Will.
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: michigancat on September 14, 2021, 06:38:52 PM
At this point, I would give him a shot. Why not?

one reason is he's probably worse :dunno:

My brain is having a difficult time envisioning a QB worse than Will.
I think it is almost statistically impossible to be worse than Will and his QBR of 9.
It's entirely possible. He's had worse games without a doubt!
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 14, 2021, 06:39:14 PM
I think he’s better than you guys give him credit for and that he will do just fine Saturday.
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: Pete on September 14, 2021, 06:41:50 PM
I think he’s better than you guys give him credit for and that he will do just fine Saturday.

Jaren or Will the Pill?
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 14, 2021, 06:42:21 PM
I think he%u2019s better than you guys give him credit for and that he will do just fine Saturday.

Jaren or Will the Pill?

Sorry. Will. I will take it to then how good is will thread.
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: michigancat on September 14, 2021, 07:31:22 PM
Worth noting that Dr. Daris was the leader of the "Will Howard isn't great" train. He's not a sunshine pumper, he's just a straight shooter.
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: MakeItRain on September 14, 2021, 08:29:58 PM
At this point, I would give him a shot. Why not?

one reason is he's probably worse :dunno:

I think our coaching staff is enamored with the physical stature of Will Howard. 

A- source that Rubley's physical stature is one of the reasons he's been deemed not ready although he's more experienced in the program than Will was last year.
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: michigancat on September 14, 2021, 08:34:28 PM
At this point, I would give him a shot. Why not?

one reason is he's probably worse :dunno:

I think our coaching staff is enamored with the physical stature of Will Howard. 

A- source that Rubley's physical stature is one of the reasons he's been deemed not ready although he's more experienced in the program than Will was last year.

that seems like something that could improve without in-game reps!
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: nicname on September 14, 2021, 08:56:36 PM
At this point, I would give him a shot. Why not?

one reason is he's probably worse :dunno:

I think our coaching staff is enamored with the physical stature of Will Howard. 

A- source that Rubley's physical stature is one of the reasons he's been deemed not ready although he's more experienced in the program than Will was last year.

that seems like something that could improve without in-game reps!

Roids and gym reps.
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: MakeItRain on September 14, 2021, 09:06:31 PM
At this point, I would give him a shot. Why not?

one reason is he's probably worse :dunno:

I think our coaching staff is enamored with the physical stature of Will Howard. 

A- source that Rubley's physical stature is one of the reasons he's been deemed not ready although he's more experienced in the program than Will was last year.

that seems like something that could improve without in-game reps!

You're right, it can! Guessing if he was Teddy Bridgewater the coaches could overlook Rubley being so damn skinny.
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: PurpleOil on September 18, 2021, 01:47:19 PM
We're about to find out!
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: wetwillie on September 18, 2021, 01:49:43 PM
 He has a “live” arm
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: Purple Derpathy on September 18, 2021, 02:38:10 PM
After 1.5 quarters of playing time we know absolutely nothing more than prior to him stepping foot on the field.
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: catastrophe on September 18, 2021, 02:46:58 PM
Personally I’m glad he’s in the game. I’ll be a bit upset if Howard steps back in.
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: catastrophe on September 18, 2021, 03:11:55 PM
And I’m pissed
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: Purple Derpathy on September 18, 2021, 03:13:15 PM
Glad we could sub him out to watch Howard throw a duck out there.
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: MakeItRain on September 19, 2021, 09:38:57 AM
After 1.5 quarters of playing time we know absolutely nothing more than prior to him stepping foot on the field.

This is true. Bringing Lewis in was clearly scripted, can we deduce from the fact that they didn't let him run or throw that they don't think he's as good as Will at these things?
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: michigancat on September 19, 2021, 09:54:39 AM
After 1.5 quarters of playing time we know absolutely nothing more than prior to him stepping foot on the field.

This is true. Bringing Lewis in was clearly scripted, can we deduce from the fact that they didn't let him run or throw that they don't think he's as good as Will at these things?

we should deduce (and consider it something we learned) that but I don't think many people will the next time Will throws a pick
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: Pete on September 19, 2021, 10:08:07 AM
I am amazed they played Jaren as much as they did in a close, losable, game.
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: michigancat on September 19, 2021, 10:17:37 AM
I am amazed they played Jaren as much as they did in a close, losable, game.

I think we also learned Jaren is pretty close to Will based on this. Like he's worse, but not much worse!
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: Pete on September 19, 2021, 10:22:29 AM
I am amazed they played Jaren as much as they did in a close, losable, game.

I think we also learned Jaren is pretty close to Will based on this. Like he's worse, but not much worse!

I suppose it was a healthy signal to Howard that he needs to take care of the ball.
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: MakeItRain on September 19, 2021, 10:37:26 AM
I am amazed they played Jaren as much as they did in a close, losable, game.

I think we also learned Jaren is pretty close to Will based on this. Like he's worse, but not much worse!

I suppose it was a healthy signal to Howard that he needs to take care of the ball.

I thought this too, hell of a way to send a message
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: KanSt43 on September 22, 2021, 01:17:25 PM
Over/Under snaps Lewis takes on Saturday?
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: Cire on September 22, 2021, 01:38:09 PM
I also think it was a "crap" we're one hit away from having to play this kid, we need to get him in a game.
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: michigancat on September 22, 2021, 02:05:17 PM
Over/Under snaps Lewis takes on Saturday?

two drives
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: michigancat on September 22, 2021, 02:16:18 PM
Over/Under snaps Lewis takes on Saturday?

two drives

I'm changing it to 1.5 drives
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: Purple Derpathy on September 22, 2021, 02:23:05 PM
Under. I think this game stays close despite whatever Howard does. With that said, coaches won't pull Howard unless we get down by 14+ and he has turned the ball over at least once.
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: MakeItRain on September 22, 2021, 02:28:41 PM
Over/Under snaps Lewis takes on Saturday?

two drives

I'm changing it to 1.5 drives

Under. My rationale is exactly the same as Apathy's.
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: KSNimrod on September 22, 2021, 02:35:04 PM
I am glad we won the game and Will looked better over time... but I have to admit that I was a bit steamed when we were running the ball well with Jaren handing the ball off to Deuce then we put Will back in for the following progression.  1.) Will hesitantly up the middle behind 2 running backs for nada.  2.)  Will throwing 5 yards away from an open receiver.  3.)  Will hesitantly up the middle behind 2 running backs for nada.  I'm not too proud to say I had to walk away for a few minutes.  LOL
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: MakeItRain on September 22, 2021, 02:44:02 PM
I am glad we won the game and Will looked better over time... but I have to admit that I was a bit steamed when we were running the ball well with Jaren handing the ball off to Deuce then we put Will back in for the following progression.  1.) Will hesitantly up the middle behind 2 running backs for nada.  2.)  Will throwing 5 yards away from an open receiver.  3.)  Will hesitantly up the middle behind 2 running backs for nada.  I'm not too proud to say I had to walk away for a few minutes.  LOL

Classic 3rd quarter Messfense, we've seen it for 2 and a half years now.
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: ChiComCat on September 22, 2021, 02:53:57 PM
I was surprised they did it when they did last Saturday.  I think they'll be more careful with it on the road.  I would go under 1.5 and not terribly surprised if we don't see him at all.  I expect it to be low scoring where mistakes are more likely to decide the game than points.
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 22, 2021, 03:49:55 PM
I think we only see him if we blow them out or are getting blown out.
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: wetwillie on September 22, 2021, 03:51:53 PM
He will get an entire quarter IMO
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: wiley on September 22, 2021, 05:10:34 PM
He will get an entire quarter IMO
I think this is what happens unless Howard and the offense are doing incredibly well.
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: yoga-like_abana on September 22, 2021, 05:40:32 PM
If he sees the field it’ll be a two quarterback look imo.


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Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: Purple Derpathy on September 22, 2021, 05:40:40 PM
He will get an entire quarter IMO
I think this is what happens unless Howard and the offense are doing incredibly well.

Define 'incredibly well'.
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: wiley on September 22, 2021, 08:34:51 PM
He will get an entire quarter IMO
I think this is what happens unless Howard and the offense are doing incredibly well.

Define 'incredibly well'.
I won't say passes the eye test.  But i'd say if he gets three drives in the 1st quarter we are scoring on 2, and the third one needs to have the ball moving beyond a 3 and out.

He needs to get rid of the negative plays, the 3 and outs where we don't move the ball.  I'd define incredibly well scoring 14 points with another drive moving the ball.  Howard would basically have to force the issue that you couldn't bring in Lewis due to the offense working so well.  I don't see that happening though, that's a huge ask.
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: MakeItRain on September 24, 2021, 10:14:57 AM
Over/Under snaps Lewis takes on Saturday?

two drives

I'm changing it to 1.5 drives

Those who had the over, you can go ahead and cash in your tickets now.

https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1441115473337151500
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: Purple Derpathy on September 24, 2021, 10:46:30 AM
Over/Under snaps Lewis takes on Saturday?

two drives

I'm changing it to 1.5 drives

Those who had the over, you can go ahead and cash in your tickets now.

https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1441115473337151500

Hopefully he's just saying this so Lewis can mentally be prepared to step in should Howard falter.
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: yoga-like_abana on September 24, 2021, 11:00:11 AM
Ok st is gonna have to prep for 2 qbs now. Lotta film to watch on handoffs from Jaren
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: KanSt43 on September 26, 2021, 09:19:27 AM
He made a couple bad throws/bad decision on the interception….but MAN. If you go back and look at the tape, our WR’s get absolutely no separation. No one is ever open. There was a time on one of Lewis’ scrambles where literally every receiver stopped instead of adjusting their route or coming back to the football. That deep throw Lewis made to Knowles down the sideline was a great ball (could’ve been defensive PI, but whatever). I thought Lewis did a solid job under the circumstances. Is he the answer? No. But he can absolutely be serviceable.
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: steve dave on September 26, 2021, 09:28:56 AM
He looks absolutely terrified back there
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: MakeItRain on September 26, 2021, 01:16:43 PM
He made a couple bad throws/bad decision on the interception….but MAN. If you go back and look at the tape, our WR’s get absolutely no separation. No one is ever open. There was a time on one of Lewis’ scrambles where literally every receiver stopped instead of adjusting their route or coming back to the football. That deep throw Lewis made to Knowles down the sideline was a great ball (could’ve been defensive PI, but whatever). I thought Lewis did a solid job under the circumstances. Is he the answer? No. But he can absolutely be serviceable.

What tape? Are you talking about the ESPN+ feed and their literal four cameras in which we can only see one at a time?
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: KanSt43 on November 20, 2021, 08:32:09 PM
Short answer - Not good. But to be fair, Weber wasn’t even looking on the shallow cross. But yeah
Title: Re: How good is Jaren Lewis?
Post by: PurpleOil on November 20, 2021, 09:24:29 PM
If your first play in a big game is to give it to the other team, then yeah, you're probably not that good.