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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: j rake on March 08, 2021, 07:15:47 PM
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gene should call these coaches, in the following order, and offer them the job:
1. john beilein - beilein is out of coaching, but you know he won't be for long. he made a mistake exiting college for the cavs and now needs a compelling reason to get back into it. k-state can appeal to him: beilein loves to rebuild programs. he's been doing it his whole career - from le moyne to canisius to richmond to west virginia to michigan. this is a perfect opportunity. beyond that, he can bring his son, patrick, aboard and groom him to be the coach-in-waiting. patrick is a rising star who will need to rehab his image after resigning from niagara for "personal reasons."
2. rick pitino - this would be bob huggins part II. pitino used iona to rehab his image, and now we've all forgotten about the bad crap he did. would he leave iona for k-state given that he probably prefers to live in NY? maybe. but here's how to sweeten it: offer for his son, richard, to come aboard and become the head-coach-in-waiting. richard has a bright future despite "failing" at minnesota. the conference has been brutally hard and he's been very unlucky between signing one trainwreck recruiting class and then having bad luck with injuries. rick would love the opportunity to coach alongside his son at a school with a legit chance to go all the way.
3. sean miller - great recruiter and program builder. would orchestrate an immediate turnaround. can go toe-to-toe with bill self when it comes to cheating for recruits. very good chance he splits from arizona. this would be a huggins-like landing spot for him - a chance to rebuild his image while other schools will take a pass due to ncaa sanctions, fbi, etc baggage.
4. kelvin sampson - he took wazzu, okla, indiana and now houston to the ncaa tourney. capable of immediate turnarounds. willing to cheat. highly likely to say no, as he's 65 and has lived in houston for a decade now extending back to his time w the rockets. but at least reach out to see if he's interested in a return to the big 12.
5. porter moser - great coach and better person. has proven he can do more with less. k-state is not a catholic school however and moser values religion. he also previously turned down offers from UNLV and st john's. he will say no - but gene should make him say no.
6. kyle smith - big schools will come after him in a few years after he leads wazzu to a top-4 pac-12 finish and ncaa tourney appearance in 2022. k-state has a chance to be early before his stock surges and not have to compete with better schools willing to offer more money.
7. frank martin - i don't love this, as i think frank is an overrated coach. but as far as infusing energy into the program and having the fanbase go batshit crazy, it would be hard to argue against bringing him back. he loved k-state but hated john currie. he would be embraced and his time at south carolina is ending soon.
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I’d kill a drifter to get Sean Miller. Kelvin Sampson makes more than oscar and can back the money truck up to Houston anytime he wants. The two geriatrics at the top of your list are a hard pass. Never heard of the other guys.
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Sean Miller? My god. I would get basketball tickets again!
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I’d kill a drifter to get Sean Miller. Kelvin Sampson makes more than oscar and can back the money truck up to Houston anytime he wants. The two geriatrics at the top of your list are a hard pass. Never heard of the other guys.
lol at age 68 being "geriatric." LHC Bill Snyder is the oldest-looking upper 60s/early 70s coach i've ever seen (in fairness, it's the glasses) and he made it to age 78. beilein and pitino could give seven years no problem and hand off to their sons anytime.
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Chris Lowery
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Rick Stansbury. He has successfully recruited NBA talent to Western Kentucky. Got to be worth an interview.
Thad Matta: retired for health reasons after a very successful stretch at Ohio State. Said to have regained his health and interested in coaching once again.
Brad: Should be the first phone call out of simple courtesy. I know he makes a mint, but he's also been quoted as saying K-State is his dream job. However much it would take would be worth it. Would note he is likely to lose the core of what could be a national champion team.
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Chris Lowery
chris lowery is an artist when it comes to turning programs around. he took an already-built southern illinois program and drove it straight into the ground, it would be interesting to see if he could do the opposite: take an already-cratered program and build it back to a winner!
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Chris Lowery
chris lowery is an artist when it comes to turning programs around. he took an already-built southern illinois program and drove it straight into the ground, it would be interesting to see if he could do the opposite: take an already-cratered program and build it back to a winner!
Talk about a hire that would not sell a single season ticket and be viewed as the athletic department raising the white flag on the program. He would surely carry on the Oscar tradition of defense-first teams with horrible offenses, so yeah probably.
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boy did this board need another oscar replacement thread since the two pinned ones weren’t good enough for “j fake”
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Rick Stansbury. He has successfully recruited NBA talent to Western Kentucky. Got to be worth an interview.
stansbury is very underrated. it wouldn't be an exciting hire, but they could do a lot worse.
Thad Matta: retired for health reasons after a very successful stretch at Ohio State. Said to have regained his health and interested in coaching once again.
for years, i made fun of thad's awful sideline demeanor. then an ohio state fan told me had drop foot. whoops! i agree he would be an excellent hire, and it's crazy that he's only 53 years old.
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boy did this board need another oscar replacement thread since the two pinned ones weren’t good enough for “j fake”
my eyes are trained to never look at pinned stuff. :frown:
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boy did this board need another oscar replacement thread since the two pinned ones weren’t good enough for “j fake”
my eyes are trained to never look at pinned stuff. :frown:
Ight bet
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it's crazy that he's only 53 years old.
WHAT??? So it looks like he was 37 when he got the Ohio State job. Had no idea.
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I’ll take all of jrakes options. TIA
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I’ll take all of jrakes options. TIA
Yes, I would take them, too! Except maybe Pitino, because I don't like the vibes from the tryst that led to him paying for an abortion. (I am not familiar with the details)
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I’ll take all of jrakes options. TIA
Yes, I would take them, too! Except maybe Pitino, because I don't like the vibes from the tryst that led to him paying for an abortion. (I am not familiar with the details)
Every detail I've heard makes Pitino look even worse.
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Rather than pick from Rake's list, we should can Gene's ass and install Rake.
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Rather than pick from Rake's list, we should can Gene's ass and install Rake.
Rake would have hired Klieman fwiw
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If he’s healthy, I’m all in on Matta
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Just read Wichita State has reached out to Matta. Gene needs to do a HCBS thing with Oscar stat, and go get Matta.
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Just read Wichita State has reached out to Matta. Gene needs to do a HCBS thing with Oscar stat, and go get Matta.
Uh, Wichita State has a coach.
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Rather than pick from Rake's list, we should can Gene's ass and install Rake.
Rake would have hired Klieman fwiw
klieman got screwed by injuries/covid last year. it was still the best hire of all available options, including the dreadful seth LittreLL, and he will do okay going forward. NDSU didn't become what it was until klieman arrived as coordinator and ultimately head coach, and now with klieman gone, we're starting to see the slow erosion of the program - NDSU pretty much sucks this year.
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Tell me more about Sean Miller’s resume and accomplishments I’m still kind of on the fence.
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Tell me more about Sean Miller’s resume and accomplishments I’m still kind of on the fence.
He hasn't won a tournament game since 2017. In 2018 when he had one of the most bought and paid for rosters in college basketball he did win a weak ass Pac 12 but they proceeded to get bounced in the first round. Since Arizona got busted cheating he has finished 8th, and 5th twice in a consistently bad Pac 12 conference. If he isn't at Arizona next year it will be because he hasn't been a good coach since the NCAA cut the Nike faucet off. Can the dude even coach? He had a top 5 class in 2019 and #7 in 2020 and he can't win enough to make the tournament in by far the weakest high major conference.
He may also get a show cause like Dan Mullen did. They were both charged with not promoting an environment of compliance, which I'm guessing the NCAA are now going to give every head coach with assistants who get caught cheating.
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Got a text that Fitz is stirring the pot w/ Brad. Anyone got a sub over there? I'm sure he's just looking for clicks so I'm not going to dance all over his board to find it.
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He may also get a show cause like Dan Mullen did. They were both charged with not promoting an environment of compliance, which I'm guessing the NCAA are now going to give every head coach with assistants who get caught cheating.
KthUg?
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Did not know Sean Miller sucked so much butt
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Rather than pick from Rake's list, we should can Gene's ass and install Rake.
Rake would have hired Klieman fwiw
klieman got screwed by injuries/covid last year. it was still the best hire of all available options, including the dreadful seth LittreLL, and he will do okay going forward. NDSU didn't become what it was until klieman arrived as coordinator and ultimately head coach, and now with klieman gone, we're starting to see the slow erosion of the program - NDSU pretty much sucks this year.
I like Klieman a lot!
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Tell me more about Sean Miller’s resume and accomplishments I’m still kind of on the fence.
He hasn't won a tournament game since 2017. In 2018 when he had one of the most bought and paid for rosters in college basketball he did win a weak ass Pac 12 but they proceeded to get bounced in the first round. Since Arizona got busted cheating he has finished 8th, and 5th twice in a consistently bad Pac 12 conference. If he isn't at Arizona next year it will be because he hasn't been a good coach since the NCAA cut the Nike faucet off. Can the dude even coach? He had a top 5 class in 2019 and #7 in 2020 and he can't win enough to make the tournament in by far the weakest high major conference.
He may also get a show cause like Dan Mullen did. They were both charged with not promoting an environment of compliance, which I'm guessing the NCAA are now going to give every head coach with assistants who get caught cheating.
Went back to look at his record at Xavier and was really impressed with his last 3 years there. Then I realized they went from Thad Matta to Sean Miller to Chris Mack in the span of 18 years and have seen an elite 8 appearance for all 3 coaches.
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miller's final two years at xavier were top-20 level (and had a nice five-year run overall) and he had a pair of top 5 teams (including arguably the best team in the country in '13) within his first five years taking over Arizona. the zona program he inherited had three coaches in three years (lute's final year, then kevin o'neill then russ pennell). it was definitely a rebuild.
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“There was no doubt he adopted me as his own." —future head coach of kansas state men's basketball, speaking of current AD Gene Taylor.
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Greg Lansing is out at Indiana State. Maybe go for that.
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We're going to be competing for coaches aren't we...
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We're going to be competing for coaches aren't we...
Just go get DeVries and call it a day.
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We're going to be competing for coaches aren't we...
Lol no
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We're going to be competing for coaches aren't we...
Not sure if you know this, but we're the 22nd best basketball program of all time.
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I think ISU will probably get Hoiberg to come back.
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I think ISU will probably get Hoiberg to come back.
You have lost your damn mind
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Fred's buyout at Nebraska is like $10m
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Fred's buyout at Nebraska is like $10m
Also hates Jamie Pollards guts
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Fred's buyout at Nebraska is like $10m
Also hates Jamie Pollards guts
who doesn’t? i know that i do
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Fred's buyout at Nebraska is like $10m
Also hates Jamie Pollards guts
THIS!!!!!!!! [redacted] made them sleep in a ballroom :ROFL:
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Fred's buyout at Nebraska is like $10m
Also hates Jamie Pollards guts
I think we have a winner.
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Has oscar said anything about his former player Meyers Leonard?
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Has oscar said anything about his former player Meyers Leonard?
Why would he?
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j rake is great, but this has to be trolling.
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j rake is great, but this has to be trolling.
Are you even vaguely familiar with j rake?
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j rake is great, but this has to be trolling.
Are you even vaguely familiar with j rake?
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:gocho:
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Omg someone gif that oscar Texas tech bell ringer reaction
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congratulations to rick pitino. brand new team. no offseason. covid outbreak. no games all of november. no games all of january. forced stoppages at every step along the way. frustration. misery. publicly stated you didn't even want to play. but then you played. and then you won. and then you won some more. and then in the MAAC tournament you won four straight games. and now you're in the ncaa tournament. just like always.
the best coach in the country is at F-ing iona. :bawl:
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j rake is great, but this has to be trolling.
the only one trolling is gene taylor.
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Greggggg is your guy. Do it.
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Greggggg is your guy. Do it.
Stan Weber per Quik Trip sources, says Oscar will be extended soon, big relief
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https://twitter.com/therangojones/status/1370898231572492290
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Who else wants to join my wrecking ball gofundme?
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take it to the memes you like thread, SD
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Can we get 1800 people to give their entire stimi?
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Can we get 1800 people to give their entire stimi?
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Well I like to think we could have landed Pitino
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Well I like to think we could have landed Pitino
except he (or his wife) might be looking for a more cosmopolitan lifestyle, just like Tubby Smith who went on to coach in Tulsa, Athens, GA, Lexington, KY, and Lubbock, TX.
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Well I like to think we could have landed Pitino
Which one?
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Well I like to think we could have landed Pitino
Which one?
The good one!
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Well I like to think we could have landed Pitino
Which one?
The good one!
I’m pretty sure he would leave Iona for KSU still
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Well I like to think we could have landed Pitino
Which one?
The good one!
I’m pretty sure he would leave Iona for KSU still
oh I got them mixed up whoops
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The other one just got fired and had to go coach in the Mountain West
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There's currently a rumor out there that oscar was retiring, agreed on extended by out and things similar to Snyder, and it was a done deal. Then Carl Ice came in and told oscar not to retire....
And those same people are also saying Carl will be the one to bring Brad. They act like they all have sources as well.
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I’m a fan of that stupid rumor
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So we are just waiting for Illinois to finish their season then BOOM, oscar retires and Brad comes home?
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So we are just waiting for Illinois to finish their season then BOOM, oscar retires and Brad comes home?
that's what these colossal dumbshits are saying and, I mean, who are we to dispute this incredible thing they are saying?
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You don't get jumbotrons named after you by not being smart enough to know that you need to string along oscar until it is the right time for Brad.
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it goes like this
1) get a billion
2) make some completely cockeyed plan that could never happen
3) (we are here) make that thing irl happen
godspeed old rich moron
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How rich is Carl Ice? I know he is wealthy but not like Mark Cuban rich right?
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Apparently he may be!
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How rich is Carl Ice? I know he is wealthy but not like Mark Cuban rich right?
Some of K-State's biggest donors are hard to track because they work for, own, partner in or run private entities.
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Train barons have done well historically
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There's currently a rumor out there that oscar was retiring, agreed on extended by out and things similar to Snyder, and it was a done deal. Then Carl Ice came in and told oscar not to retire....
And those same people are also saying Carl will be the one to bring Brad. They act like they all have sources as well.
lol, okay
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How rich is Carl Ice? I know he is wealthy but not like Mark Cuban rich right?
Not sure of net worth but he has been the CEO of BNSF RR for the last 10 years. I'm sure Warren Buffet has taken good care of him.
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so i guess carl ice is james franco in this memealogy
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There's currently a rumor out there that oscar was retiring, agreed on extended by out and things similar to Snyder, and it was a done deal. Then Carl Ice came in and told oscar not to retire....
And those same people are also saying Carl will be the one to bring Brad. They act like they all have sources as well.
lol, okay
I laughed at the first part many times. Then the more I thought about it, it kind of made sense. They want to either pay the money for Brad and deal with the optics issues, or oscar returns without paying him to leave/dealing with the blow back.
(I'm team anyone but oscar if the transfers continue, but if this rumor is true, I kind of like it)
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If it happens like that can we safely deduce that Illinois is a stepping stone job for KSU? I mean two in a row and all
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What if the squawks steal Brad?
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What if the squawks steal Brad?
If Brad is willing to go to KU then it's pretty safe to say that we either mumped it up or he was never loyal enough to leave Illinois for us anyways.
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lmao at any of this. Prove me wrong Carl!
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lmao at any of this. Prove me wrong Carl!
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Yeah, this is the stupidest things k-state fans have ever flirted with believing.
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lmao at any of this. Prove me wrong Carl!
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Yeah, this is the stupidest things k-state fans have ever flirted with believing.
Dare to dream iyam.
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lmao at any of this. Prove me wrong Carl!
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Yeah, this is the stupidest things k-state fans have ever flirted with believing.
You haven't been in tune w/ K-State fans for very long then.
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Remember when it was crazy to dream that we would fire Wooly then hire Huggins who would bring in the GRCOAT?
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Semi-disgraced Bob Huggins not very similar to Brad "about to go to the final four" Underwood who we completely mumped over a few years back.
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imo
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There's currently a rumor out there that oscar was retiring, agreed on extended by out and things similar to Snyder, and it was a done deal. Then Carl Ice came in and told oscar not to retire....
And those same people are also saying Carl will be the one to bring Brad. They act like they all have sources as well.
lol, okay
I laughed at the first part many times. Then the more I thought about it, it kind of made sense. They want to either pay the money for Brad and deal with the optics issues, or oscar returns without paying him to leave/dealing with the blow back.
(I'm team anyone but oscar if the transfers continue, but if this rumor is true, I kind of like it)
The silliest part about this incredibly silly scenario is that oscar wanted to retire but a donor convinced him not to. Like how did that work? oscar wanted to retire so badly that he apparently told his boss and donors that he wanted to do so, then he was talked out of retiring without the need for a new contract or anything?
I'm retiring.
No please don't.
Why not?
Because.
Okay, I won't retire
Like this doesn't make sense at all. If he wants to retire I don't know why anyone would talk him out of retirement, or if he wanted to retire why he'd listen.
I actually do believe him when he said he hadn't thought about retiring. I don't think he's capable of stone cold lying. I think if he had he would have fumbled the answer like he did when he was asked about Antonio Gordon.
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Semi-disgraced Bob Huggins not very similar to Brad "about to go to the final four" Underwood who we completely mumped over a few years back.
lol, how did we eff over Underwood? When was the last time we hired a basketball head coach without any D1 head coaching experience? I would have to be well before any of us were alive.
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Underwood was completely obtainable before he took the Illinois job. He still likes us.
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There's currently a rumor out there that oscar was retiring, agreed on extended by out and things similar to Snyder, and it was a done deal. Then Carl Ice came in and told oscar not to retire....
And those same people are also saying Carl will be the one to bring Brad. They act like they all have sources as well.
lol, okay
I laughed at the first part many times. Then the more I thought about it, it kind of made sense. They want to either pay the money for Brad and deal with the optics issues, or oscar returns without paying him to leave/dealing with the blow back.
(I'm team anyone but oscar if the transfers continue, but if this rumor is true, I kind of like it)
The silliest part about this incredibly silly scenario is that oscar wanted to retire but a donor convinced him not to. Like how did that work? oscar wanted to retire so badly that he apparently told his boss and donors that he wanted to do so, then he was talked out of retiring without the need for a new contract or anything?
I'm retiring.
No please don't.
Why not?
Because.
Okay, I won't retire
Like this doesn't make sense at all. If he wants to retire I don't know why anyone would talk him out of retirement, or if he wanted to retire why he'd listen.
I actually do believe him when he said he hadn't thought about retiring. I don't think he's capable of stone cold lying. I think if he had he would have fumbled the answer like he did when he was asked about Antonio Gordon.
First, I don't think anyone is saying oscar "wanted so badly" to retire, but they're claiming an agreement was in place to be fired/retired. Second, oscar and Carl are supposedly close friends and Carl may have told oscar not to retire unless a plan (only Brad w/ keeping some staff) is in place? Seems pretty weird either way, but I wouldn't say "silly".
I honestly don't know.
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Semi-disgraced Bob Huggins not very similar to Brad "about to go to the final four" Underwood who we completely mumped over a few years back.
lol, how did we eff over Underwood? When was the last time we hired a basketball head coach without any D1 head coaching experience? I would have to be well before any of us were alive.
Maybe hyperbole, but he deserved an interview.
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Semi-disgraced Bob Huggins not very similar to Brad "about to go to the final four" Underwood who we completely mumped over a few years back.
lol, how did we eff over Underwood? When was the last time we hired a basketball head coach without any D1 head coaching experience? I would have to be well before any of us were alive.
Frank Martin
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Semi-disgraced Bob Huggins not very similar to Brad "about to go to the final four" Underwood who we completely mumped over a few years back.
lol, how did we eff over Underwood? When was the last time we hired a basketball head coach without any D1 head coaching experience? I would have to be well before any of us were alive.
Frank Martin
lol, yeah
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Semi-disgraced Bob Huggins not very similar to Brad "about to go to the final four" Underwood who we completely mumped over a few years back.
lol, how did we eff over Underwood? When was the last time we hired a basketball head coach without any D1 head coaching experience? I would have to be well before any of us were alive.
Maybe hyperbole, but he deserved an interview.
I'm assuming that you're referring to 2012, and I really don't think Currie wanted anything to do with Frank Martin or his staff. Considering the circumstances of how Frank left, interviewing Brad would have been folly.
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DAMN! Someone else found the money, this dude didn't even have a losing record. One losing season out of the last 6 and that was exactly 1 game below .500
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1372965565871063048
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Oscar needs to go home and finish his career
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Wasn’t the oscar “retire” tweet/rumor always that we’d can his ass and call it retirement like OBz? I never read it as even a made-up assertion that oscar would consider voluntary retirement.
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Wasn’t the oscar “retire” tweet/rumor always that we’d can his ass and call it retirement like OBz? I never read it as even a made-up assertion that oscar would consider voluntary retirement.
I think yes
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Wasn’t the oscar “retire” tweet/rumor always that we’d can his ass and call it retirement like OBz? I never read it as even a made-up assertion that oscar would consider voluntary retirement.
That was never determined, with Snyder we knew that was the only way he'd go out, I don't think that's the case with oscar but nnobody has any earthly idea.
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DAMN! Someone else found the money, this dude didn't even have a losing record. One losing season out of the last 6 and that was exactly 1 game below .500
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1372965565871063048
He also never won his conference or made it past the round of 64 at the NCAAT. Most years they were around 6-9th in the Big East.
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Fitz was on 810 this afternoon and said he had heard alot about oscar "retiring" but who knows. Fitz also mentioned that he has known Brad Underwood since high school, no idea what that connection is about but found it interesting.
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Fitz was on 810 this afternoon and said he had heard alot about oscar "retiring" but who knows. Fitz also mentioned that he has known Brad Underwood since high school, no idea what that connection is about but found it interesting.
Brad would have been a Bullpup in the early to mid-80s late 70s to early 80s Fits prob played him in sports or something.
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Brad should never be discussed again unless he gets canned for some scandal.
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Fitz was on 810 this afternoon and said he had heard alot about oscar "retiring" but who knows. Fitz also mentioned that he has known Brad Underwood since high school, no idea what that connection is about but found it interesting.
Brad would have been a Bullpup in the early to mid-80s late 70s to early 80s Fits prob played him in sports or something.
79-82. Where is Fitz from? Back then we played Newton, Winfield, Ark City, Campus, Derby, El Dorado, Hutch.
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Fitz was on 810 this afternoon and said he had heard alot about oscar "retiring" but who knows. Fitz also mentioned that he has known Brad Underwood since high school, no idea what that connection is about but found it interesting.
Brad would have been a Bullpup in the early to mid-80s late 70s to early 80s Fits prob played him in sports or something.
79-82. Where is Fitz from? Back then we played Newton, Winfield, Ark City, Campus, Derby, El Dorado, Hutch.
Pretty sure Fitz is from Salina. He talked about being friends with Brad in high school back in 2016 when he showed his ass and had a tantrum when OSU hired Brad.
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Must have been outside of BBall then. Brad was a year ahead of me and I was a BBall manager/trainer those years. Looking back we only played one of the Salina schools once, at sub-state, during his junior and senior years. Dont recall he did other sports. Don't think off-season camps were a thing then either.
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Must have been outside of BBall then. Brad was a year ahead of me and I was a BBall manager/trainer those years. Looking back we only played one of the Salina schools once, at sub-state, during his junior and senior years. Dont recall he did other sports. Don't think off-season camps were a thing then either.
Could have been at summer camps or something or Fritz is lying, which is always a possiblity.
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Tim Fitzgerald absolutely did not play high school basketball. The likely story is they are both approximately the same age, both from central Kansas, and both went to K-State, probably hung out in the same places and had circles of friends that somewhat overlapped. Then their careers came together again 25 years later.
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Fitz seems like someone who would have went to American Legion boys camp and developed a homo-erotic crush on one of the more popular boys there who didn't struggle with pushups.
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'zifried, NO!
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porter moser (#5 coach on the rake list) is currently coaching circles around brad underwood (unlisted on rake list) as i type this ...
enough with loser ex illinois coaches.
GET PORTER MOSER!
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porter moser (#5 coach on the rake list) is currently coaching circles around brad underwood (unlisted on rake list) as i type this ...
enough with loser ex illinois coaches.
GET PORTER MOSER!
Brad's boys can't seem to figure out how to play defense against this scheme. Getting destroyed.
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brad needs to have that big guy dunk it more in the second half
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they're getting worked over by a kid who looks like a plumber.
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they're getting worked over by a kid who looks like a plumber.
As much as I love Brad, him losing and Moser winning is prob best situation for our Cats. Don’t need Brad contemplating leaving a F4 team. Best to nip that in the bud. GJ, Porter (so far).
EMAW should be better able to go after both now. Circle of life.
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Brad and the hurricane in lavender would be amazing
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Put on that purple suit, Brad. You’re going to like the way you look. I guarantee it.
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i'm not sure what the rules are, but would k-state have to take on sister jean or how does that work?
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i'm not sure what the rules are, but would k-state have to take on sister jean or how does that work?
not worth it if so
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https://sltrib.com/sports/utah-state-sports/2021/03/22/report-utah-state-coach/
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Just burn it down. Eff KState basketball.
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Greg McDermott can be our Dana Altman.
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Just burn it down. Eff KState basketball.
They didn’t hire him
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Just burn it down. Eff KState basketball.
They didn’t hire him
even if they did, we don't have an opening and there are always Craig Smiths available
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Just burn it down. Eff KState basketball.
They didn’t hire him
even if they did, we don't have an opening and there are always Craig Smiths available
Yea they are all over the place, it’s kind of reassuring really.
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Just burn it down. Eff KState basketball.
They didn’t hire him
even if they did, we don't have an opening and there are always Craig Smiths available
Yeah, that hire wouldn't exactly be out-of-the-box or innovative.
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Just burn it down. Eff KState basketball.
They didn’t hire him
even if they did, we don't have an opening and there are always Craig Smiths available
he's not even the best smith!
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gene should call these coaches, in the following order, and offer them the job:
1. john beilein - beilein is out of coaching, but you know he won't be for long. he made a mistake exiting college for the cavs and now needs a compelling reason to get back into it. k-state can appeal to him: beilein loves to rebuild programs. he's been doing it his whole career - from le moyne to canisius to richmond to west virginia to michigan. this is a perfect opportunity. beyond that, he can bring his son, patrick, aboard and groom him to be the coach-in-waiting. patrick is a rising star who will need to rehab his image after resigning from niagara for "personal reasons."
2. rick pitino - this would be bob huggins part II. pitino used iona to rehab his image, and now we've all forgotten about the bad crap he did. would he leave iona for k-state given that he probably prefers to live in NY? maybe. but here's how to sweeten it: offer for his son, richard, to come aboard and become the head-coach-in-waiting. richard has a bright future despite "failing" at minnesota. the conference has been brutally hard and he's been very unlucky between signing one trainwreck recruiting class and then having bad luck with injuries. rick would love the opportunity to coach alongside his son at a school with a legit chance to go all the way. (richard hired by new mexico already)
3. sean miller - great recruiter and program builder. would orchestrate an immediate turnaround. can go toe-to-toe with bill self when it comes to cheating for recruits. very good chance he splits from arizona. this would be a huggins-like landing spot for him - a chance to rebuild his image while other schools will take a pass due to ncaa sanctions, fbi, etc baggage.
4. kelvin sampson - he took wazzu, okla, indiana and now houston to the ncaa tourney. capable of immediate turnarounds. willing to cheat. highly likely to say no, as he's 65 and has lived in houston for a decade now extending back to his time w the rockets. but at least reach out to see if he's interested in a return to the big 12. (too good for us now, made FF)
5. porter moser - great coach and better person. has proven he can do more with less. k-state is not a catholic school however and moser values religion. he also previously turned down offers from UNLV and st john's. he will say no - but gene should make him say no.
6. kyle smith - big schools will come after him in a few years after he leads wazzu to a top-4 pac-12 finish and ncaa tourney appearance in 2022. k-state has a chance to be early before his stock surges and not have to compete with better schools willing to offer more money.
7. frank martin - i don't love this, as i think frank is an overrated coach. but as far as infusing energy into the program and having the fanbase go batshit crazy, it would be hard to argue against bringing him back. he loved k-state but hated john currie. he would be embraced and his time at south carolina is ending soon.
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1378096792017977344
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Damn. Nice get for the Sooners.
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Do you think Gene has even noticed any of these moves in the B12?
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Do you think Gene has even noticed any of these moves in the B12?
Nope
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Keeping oscar is ridiculous.
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Keeping oscar is ridiculous.
More ridiculous now than three weeks ago?
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Keeping oscar is ridiculous.
More ridiculous now than three weeks ago?
More nauseating probably a better word
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Keeping oscar is ridiculous.
More ridiculous now than three weeks ago?
More nauseating probably a better word
What I'm asking is has your opinion on this shifted since other programs hired coaches?
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You look around the B12 and you see AD's with a plan and commitment to their basketball programs/coaches.
Hell, if Tech is will to pay the next coach close to what they were paying Beard, they could make a really damn good hire and still be in a good place as well.
Then we have Gene/oscar (Maybe TCU is a somewhat similar situation??)
Every time I hear Gene talk, he seems more and more losery to me.
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Keeping oscar is ridiculous.
More ridiculous now than three weeks ago?
More nauseating probably a better word
What I'm asking is has your opinion on this shifted since other programs hired coaches?
It galvanizes my opinion that COVID is a lousy excuse for giving someone a free pass, since the carousel is spinning just as fast if not faster than in previous years. The only leeway I would give is that with so many higher profile jobs opening up it reduces the chances we get Our Guy, whomstever that may be.
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The nice thing is the league is super strong so will probably continue to get 7 bids. TCU, KSU, ISU and TTU get to Duke it out for the last spot this year.
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Keeping oscar is ridiculous.
More ridiculous now than three weeks ago?
More nauseating probably a better word
What I'm asking is has your opinion on this shifted since other programs hired coaches?
It galvanizes my opinion that COVID is a lousy excuse for giving someone a free pass, since the carousel is spinning just as fast if not faster than in previous years. The only leeway I would give is that with so many higher profile jobs opening up it reduces the chances we get Our Guy, whomstever that may be.
Probably a bit of tangent here (and over reaction on Gene), but I see a large percentage of AD's that want to win and have excitement in their programs moving forward. If/when stadiums are allowed to be full this next season, they want them to be full. They want revenue in tickets and merch. There were serious trends of fans staying home before the pandemic, I don't think it's a given everyone will flock to fill stadiums every week/game next season. Especially if the product is garbage.
I just don't feel Gene gives a crap, or he feels our aw shucks fan base will just show up no matter the product on the field/court. Has he ever really pushed to sell tickets? Currie bragged about the sellout streak and did whatever it took to get fans in (hard for me to remember Bramlage, though). Feels like Gene lost the sellout streak pretty early on after taking the position and just does the bare minimum in most aspects of his position to keep getting paid.
K, I'll go get high now.
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You look around the B12 and you see AD's with a plan and commitment to their basketball programs/coaches.
Hell, if Tech is will to pay the next coach close to what they were paying Beard, they could make a really damn good hire and still be in a good place as well.
Then we have Gene/oscar (Maybe TCU is a somewhat similar situation??)
Every time I hear Gene talk, he seems more and more losery to me.
A couple things.
Tech isn't going to pay anything close to what they paid Beard, they will end up paying someone similar to what Otzelberger is making. Kirby sounded like such an unconfident loser who is so mad his cheerleader girlfriend left him for the star quarterback.
I do think that oscar should have been fired, I was the one saying that COVID was a bullshit excuse and seemingly very few people wanted to hear it. I'm not happy that oscar is staying and I'm not overly excited about the two transfers. The 5'7" kid is absolutely going to be a huge defensive liability. I'm already having nightmares of he and Bradford defending pick and rolls.
That being said I really don't think that Gene is any different than most other ADs in the country. You guys constantly criticize him for mailing it in or some other crap, forgetting me forced Snyder out when no one in the country expected that to happen and I doubt very few would have. Outside of Joe C. at OU, who has done anything worth turning flips over? Hell, even he, does Porter Moser really keep you up at night? Doesn't me.
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I worry a little about Porter Moser locking down KC recruiting but yeah. Tech is going to hire an assistant from within or some mid major flavor of the month and hope for the best like our peer schools almost always do.
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Hell, even he, does Porter Moser really keep you up at night? Doesn't me.
Naw, I just see a plan and a reason to stay engaged as an fan of OU.
With K-State, the product on the court appears to mean almost nothing next year. The team will be very similar to this seasons, and my fear is our only solid players will be looking elsewhere before any changes can be made, and then we're looking at another 2-3 years before we see solid improvement.
Hard to get excited about the program moving forward (I still will the weeks leading up to the start of next season, but most probably won't?)
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Keeping oscar is ridiculous.
More ridiculous now than three weeks ago?
More nauseating probably a better word
What I'm asking is has your opinion on this shifted since other programs hired coaches?
My opinion that oscar should be replaced has strengthened as other programs have made changes around us.
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I worry a little about Porter Moser locking down KC recruiting but yeah. Tech is going to hire an assistant from within or some mid major flavor of the month and hope for the best like our peer schools almost always do.
They were willing to pay Beard close to $30 million over the next 4 years. We weren't willing to pay oscar's $2 million buyout.
While I could see them making a mid-major mistake, I could also seeing them paying Pitino or Underwood.
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I worry a little about Porter Moser locking down KC recruiting but yeah. Tech is going to hire an assistant from within or some mid major flavor of the month and hope for the best like our peer schools almost always do.
I think OU hired the wrong valley coach. Devries has been just as good as Mosier has since he's become a head coach and Devires has been much better at acquiring high school and transfer talent. Mosier has been very unremarkable recruiting and on the court outside of the elite 8 year.
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i'd argue the league has gotten weaker coaching/recruitingwise, so weber should be fine.
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I worry a little about Porter Moser locking down KC recruiting but yeah. Tech is going to hire an assistant from within or some mid major flavor of the month and hope for the best like our peer schools almost always do.
They were willing to pay Beard close to $30 million over the next 4 years. We weren't willing to pay oscar's $2 million buyout.
While I could see them making a mid-major mistake, I could also seeing them paying Pitino or Underwood.
I promise you that they are going to hire one of the head coaches from the Texas and Oklahoma mid majors with Texas ties, or their current lead assistant, Mark Adams, or Darvin Ham.
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Oh, I know. My money is on McCasland from North Texas.
I'm just saying, they've already proven they'll commit 10's of millions, so I could see it happening. I could never see it happening at K-State.
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i'd argue the league has gotten weaker coaching/recruitingwise, so weber should be fine.
I agree with this.
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Oh, I know. My money is on McCasland from North Texas.
I'm just saying, they've already proven they'll commit 10's of millions, so I could see it happening. I could never see it happening at K-State.
Come on man, we'd pay for the right coach, just like they did. If Bob Huggins graduated from Marshall University he'd still be the coach here.
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Oh, I know. My money is on McCasland from North Texas.
I'm just saying, they've already proven they'll commit 10's of millions, so I could see it happening. I could never see it happening at K-State.
Come on man, we'd pay for the right coach, just like they did. If Bob Huggins graduated from Marshall University he'd still be the coach here.
We hired him for like 700k per year. I'm talking about spending the money to bring a guy in.
Of course I think we'd continue/try to continue to pay for the guy that is already winning here.
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And I kind of feel like there’s a small chance both Venables and Underwood would be at K-State today if we’ve always had the option to commit $30-40 million to a coaching move?
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In Underwood's case it was probably poor timing rather than lack of resources. Maybe for BV to but I don't think I'd pay him $5 million a year or whatever it might have taken to get him to come here
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In Underwood's case it was probably poor timing rather than lack of resources. Maybe for BV to but I don't think I'd pay him $5 million a year or whatever it might have taken to get him to come here
Haha, yeah. I agree for the most part.
But if money is never the issue, oscar is fired/retired last month and a search committee would’ve already said Brad is the right guy for the job right now.
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In Underwood's case it was probably poor timing rather than lack of resources. Maybe for BV to but I don't think I'd pay him $5 million a year or whatever it might have taken to get him to come here
Haha, yeah. I agree for the most part.
But if money is never the issue, oscar is fired/retired last month and a search committee would’ve already said Brad is the right guy for the job right now.
Brad would not take our job right now even for $5 million a year IMO.
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They’re saying Tech was going to up Beard to $35 million over the next 5 years.
If we have that money to offer Brad he is here before the sun sets.
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They’re saying Tech was going to up Beard to $35 million over the next 5 years.
If we have that money to offer Brad he is here before the sun sets.
If we'd already had him and he'd built a program like Beard, yeah he'd probably stay. But I don't think he'd come for that much money today and I don't think he'd be worth it either. He'd get a nice raise at Illinois out of the deal and wouldn't have to mess with a rebuild.
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Yeah, I don’t know. There are people that claim to know him that say he’d come here in a heartbeat.
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Oh, I know. My money is on McCasland from North Texas.
I'm just saying, they've already proven they'll commit 10's of millions, so I could see it happening. I could never see it happening at K-State.
Come on man, we'd pay for the right coach, just like they did. If Bob Huggins graduated from Marshall University he'd still be the coach here.
We hired him for like 700k per year. I'm talking about spending the money to bring a guy in.
Of course I think we'd continue/try to continue to pay for the guy that is already winning here.
So you're skeptical about us doing something that only Texas, Kansas, North Carolina, and Kentucky have proven they're willing to do?
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I'm still happy with oscar. Good work, Gene.
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Oh, I know. My money is on McCasland from North Texas.
I'm just saying, they've already proven they'll commit 10's of millions, so I could see it happening. I could never see it happening at K-State.
Come on man, we'd pay for the right coach, just like they did. If Bob Huggins graduated from Marshall University he'd still be the coach here.
We hired him for like 700k per year. I'm talking about spending the money to bring a guy in.
Of course I think we'd continue/try to continue to pay for the guy that is already winning here.
So you're skeptical about us doing something that only Texas, Kansas, North Carolina, and Kentucky have proven they're willing to do?
Lol, naw. My point from the start was that if Tech has $35-40 mill already budgeted over the next 5 years, I could see them making a crazy hire. Ya know, some scorned lover type crap.
Saying they could and we never would.
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Oh, I know. My money is on McCasland from North Texas.
I'm just saying, they've already proven they'll commit 10's of millions, so I could see it happening. I could never see it happening at K-State.
Come on man, we'd pay for the right coach, just like they did. If Bob Huggins graduated from Marshall University he'd still be the coach here.
We hired him for like 700k per year. I'm talking about spending the money to bring a guy in.
Of course I think we'd continue/try to continue to pay for the guy that is already winning here.
So you're skeptical about us doing something that only Texas, Kansas, North Carolina, and Kentucky have proven they're willing to do?
Lol, naw. My point from the start was that if Tech has $35-40 mill already budgeted over the next 5 years, I could see them making a crazy hire. Ya know, some scorned lover type crap.
Saying they could and we never would.
What I think you're missing is that kind of money only really works at Tech with Beard (and even then it didn't work). Any coach worth $5 million a year+ already has a much better job.
I think it's pretty likely that if oscar made it to a title game here and was recruiting like Beard had and didn't have consecutive last place seasons we'd be in the same ballpark as Tech (but probably lower because oscar is too old to get many looks).
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Oh, I know. My money is on McCasland from North Texas.
I'm just saying, they've already proven they'll commit 10's of millions, so I could see it happening. I could never see it happening at K-State.
Come on man, we'd pay for the right coach, just like they did. If Bob Huggins graduated from Marshall University he'd still be the coach here.
We hired him for like 700k per year. I'm talking about spending the money to bring a guy in.
Of course I think we'd continue/try to continue to pay for the guy that is already winning here.
So you're skeptical about us doing something that only Texas, Kansas, North Carolina, and Kentucky have proven they're willing to do?
Lol, naw. My point from the start was that if Tech has $35-40 mill already budgeted over the next 5 years, I could see them making a crazy hire. Ya know, some scorned lover type crap.
Saying they could and we never would.
What I think you're missing is that kind of money only really works at Tech with Beard (and even then it didn't work). Any coach worth $5 million a year+ already has a much better job.
I think it's pretty likely that if oscar made it to a title game here and was recruiting like Beard had and didn't have consecutive last place seasons we'd be in the same ballpark as Tech (but probably lower because oscar is too old to get many looks).
I'm literally not missing anything, dude. They had $35-40 million in the budget over the next 4-5 years, and their AD does a press conference going full butthurt little brother. Saying my money is on them taking the North Texas coach, but I could see them spending a shitload of money to try to look/stay big time, isn't missing anything. And honestly, it shouldn't surprise anyone if insecure Texas Tech money/donors do something dumb.
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STEVE
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gene should call these coaches, in the following order, and offer them the job:
1. john beilein - beilein is out of coaching, but you know he won't be for long. he made a mistake exiting college for the cavs and now needs a compelling reason to get back into it. k-state can appeal to him: beilein loves to rebuild programs. he's been doing it his whole career - from le moyne to canisius to richmond to west virginia to michigan. this is a perfect opportunity. beyond that, he can bring his son, patrick, aboard and groom him to be the coach-in-waiting. patrick is a rising star who will need to rehab his image after resigning from niagara for "personal reasons."
2. rick pitino - this would be bob huggins part II. pitino used iona to rehab his image, and now we've all forgotten about the bad crap he did. would he leave iona for k-state given that he probably prefers to live in NY? maybe. but here's how to sweeten it: offer for his son, richard, to come aboard and become the head-coach-in-waiting. richard has a bright future despite "failing" at minnesota. the conference has been brutally hard and he's been very unlucky between signing one trainwreck recruiting class and then having bad luck with injuries. rick would love the opportunity to coach alongside his son at a school with a legit chance to go all the way. (richard hired by new mexico already)
3. sean miller - great recruiter and program builder. would orchestrate an immediate turnaround. can go toe-to-toe with bill self when it comes to cheating for recruits. very good chance he splits from arizona. this would be a huggins-like landing spot for him - a chance to rebuild his image while other schools will take a pass due to ncaa sanctions, fbi, etc baggage.
4. kelvin sampson - he took wazzu, okla, indiana and now houston to the ncaa tourney. capable of immediate turnarounds. willing to cheat. highly likely to say no, as he's 65 and has lived in houston for a decade now extending back to his time w the rockets. but at least reach out to see if he's interested in a return to the big 12. (too good for us now, made FF)
5. porter moser - great coach and better person. has proven he can do more with less. k-state is not a catholic school however and moser values religion. he also previously turned down offers from UNLV and st john's. he will say no - but gene should make him say no.
6. kyle smith - big schools will come after him in a few years after he leads wazzu to a top-4 pac-12 finish and ncaa tourney appearance in 2022. k-state has a chance to be early before his stock surges and not have to compete with better schools willing to offer more money.
7. frank martin - i don't love this, as i think frank is an overrated coach. but as far as infusing energy into the program and having the fanbase go batshit crazy, it would be hard to argue against bringing him back. he loved k-state but hated john currie. he would be embraced and his time at south carolina is ending soon.
https://twitter.com/sportscenter/status/1379839534452641798?s=21
Time for Mean Gene to make a move. This is Tim Weiser/Huggins all over again.
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three elite eights, five sweet 16s, five conference titles, three conference tourney titles, lottery picks, good recruiting despite a conference that nosedived the last 6-8 years, cheating, scandal, winning, fun, Sean Miller, the difference is experience, experience the difference.
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three elite eights, five sweet 16s, five conference titles, three conference tourney titles, lottery picks, good recruiting despite a conference that nosedived the last 6-8 years, cheating, scandal, winning, fun, Sean Miller, the difference is experience, experience the difference.
i am convinced he is a terrible on-court coach. and once the recruiting shenanigans dry up, what's left?
anyway, rough week for the Miller bros.
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every coach is worse at on-court coaching when their recruiting gets worse
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OU and UT are the big winners of the carousel so far, IMO. Hoping for something interesting from Arizona here.
Would take Miller for KSU but is the NCAA done with him?
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every coach is worse at on-court coaching when their recruiting gets worse
i'm saying he was bad even with the talent...it would be REALLY ugly (=worse than your average D1 coach) without it...
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OU and UT are the big winners of the carousel so far, IMO. Hoping for something interesting from Arizona here.
Would take Miller for KSU but is the NCAA done with him?
He's probably not going to get hammered by the NCAA, I think the max he gets is a one year show cause. Their findings pretty much absolved him personally.
I don't think he's good enough to bother, he's 29-27 in conference since he got caught cheating. He'll get another job, but I doubt that his next job will be with a high major conference.
He's 2 years older than Scott Drew.
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Well we hired Weber who was probably much worse in the same timespan at Illinois.
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Well we hired Weber who was probably much worse in the same timespan at Illinois.
of course weber was squeaky clean and also looked like less of a mongoloid
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I can't get over him sweating his ass off to the point where his shirt was see through. That was gross, do not want.
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I can't get over him sweating his ass off to the point where his shirt was see through. That was gross, do not want.
Yes. The only thing desirable about him is that he lost one of the best tournament games o.a.t. to EMAW. Even though he's made two elite 8s he's kind of a bum. The list of coaches with 2 of those aren't elite, guys like Ernie Kent, Jim O'Brien, Bill Guthridge (rip), and Mike Montgomery.
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I can't get over him sweating his ass off to the point where his shirt was see through. That was gross, do not want.
Yes. The only thing desirable about him is that he lost one of the best tournament games o.a.t. to EMAW.
That was Chris Mack!
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I can't get over him sweating his ass off to the point where his shirt was see through. That was gross, do not want.
Yes. The only thing desirable about him is that he lost one of the best tournament games o.a.t. to EMAW. Even though he's made two elite 8s he's kind of a bum. The list of coaches with 2 of those aren't elite, guys like Ernie Kent, Jim O'Brien, Bill Guthridge (rip), and Mike Montgomery.
i didnt even remember jim obrien coached in college...thought he was only nba
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I can't get over him sweating his ass off to the point where his shirt was see through. That was gross, do not want.
Yes. The only thing desirable about him is that he lost one of the best tournament games o.a.t. to EMAW.
That was Chris Mack!
Damn, that's right
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I can't get over him sweating his ass off to the point where his shirt was see through. That was gross, do not want.
Yes. The only thing desirable about him is that he lost one of the best tournament games o.a.t. to EMAW. Even though he's made two elite 8s he's kind of a bum. The list of coaches with 2 of those aren't elite, guys like Ernie Kent, Jim O'Brien, Bill Guthridge (rip), and Mike Montgomery.
i didnt even remember jim obrien coached in college...thought he was only nba
Boston College and Ohio State. I don't remember him in the NBA. Did he coach the celtics?
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Also, five conference titles is pretty damn impressive, number of Elite Eights isn't a good measure for evaluating the performance of a coach
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I can't get over him sweating his ass off to the point where his shirt was see through. That was gross, do not want.
Yes. The only thing desirable about him is that he lost one of the best tournament games o.a.t. to EMAW. Even though he's made two elite 8s he's kind of a bum. The list of coaches with 2 of those aren't elite, guys like Ernie Kent, Jim O'Brien, Bill Guthridge (rip), and Mike Montgomery.
i didnt even remember jim obrien coached in college...thought he was only nba
Boston College and Ohio State. I don't remember him in the NBA. Did he coach the celtics?
Different Jim O'Brien but there was a guy with that name who coached the Celtics
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_O%27Brien
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I can't get over him sweating his ass off to the point where his shirt was see through. That was gross, do not want.
Yes. The only thing desirable about him is that he lost one of the best tournament games o.a.t. to EMAW. Even though he's made two elite 8s he's kind of a bum. The list of coaches with 2 of those aren't elite, guys like Ernie Kent, Jim O'Brien, Bill Guthridge (rip), and Mike Montgomery.
i didnt even remember jim obrien coached in college...thought he was only nba
Boston College and Ohio State. I don't remember him in the NBA. Did he coach the celtics?
Different Jim O'Brien but there was a guy with that name who coached the Celtics
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_O%27Brien
3 different ones! all spelled the same, all born within 22 months of each other, all in basketball. Anyway the one who coached for Ohio State may as well be Sean Miller, and they're both mediocre.
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miller's ceiling is higher than anything k-state basketball has ever had. in year four of a dramatic rebuild, he had zona as the 14th best team in KenPom. then 2nd best (33-5 overall). then 3rd best (34-4 overall). then zona fell off for a couple years—to 19th and 18th. yes, crap hit the fan in recent years, but it was far from a nosedive even despite all the NCAA stuff. they were 19th last year and 29th this year.
miller put 13 guys in the NBA in a decade, including three players in the '20 draft. five of his former players went top 10, including deandre ayton 1st overall in '18. almost all of them left early. part of the reason he hasn't been able to sustain top-10 level success every year is because he recruits guys who are too good to stay three or four years!
what a nice problem to have.
when weber's players leave early, it's almost always to transfer to another school!
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miller's ceiling is higher than anything k-state basketball has ever had. in year four of a dramatic rebuild, he had zona as the 14th best team in KenPom. then 2nd best (33-5 overall). then 3rd best (34-4 overall). then zona fell off for a couple years—to 19th and 18th. yes, crap hit the fan in recent years, but it was far from a nosedive even despite all the NCAA stuff. they were 19th last year and 29th this year.
miller put 13 guys in the NBA in a decade, including three players in the '20 draft. five of his former players went top 10, including deandre ayton 1st overall in '18. almost all of them left early. part of the reason he hasn't been able to sustain top-10 level success every year is because he recruits guys who are too good to stay three or four years!
what a nice problem to have.
when weber's players leave early, it's almost always to transfer to another school!
THIS IS OUR HUGGY!
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THIS IS OUR HUGGY!
yessir. highly regarded coach who is available almost entirely due to character issues who will win big wherever he goes.
it's not even a hard decision. and compared to self, he's practically a choir boy.
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Can he go get some GRCOAT pieces committed to him before we give him the gig?
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if he can sign herb pope, i’m a miller fan4lyfe
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Hell yeah, eff dokish.
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miller's ceiling is higher than anything k-state basketball has ever had. in year four of a dramatic rebuild, he had zona as the 14th best team in KenPom. then 2nd best (33-5 overall). then 3rd best (34-4 overall). then zona fell off for a couple years—to 19th and 18th. yes, crap hit the fan in recent years, but it was far from a nosedive even despite all the NCAA stuff. they were 19th last year and 29th this year.
miller put 13 guys in the NBA in a decade, including three players in the '20 draft. five of his former players went top 10, including deandre ayton 1st overall in '18. almost all of them left early. part of the reason he hasn't been able to sustain top-10 level success every year is because he recruits guys who are too good to stay three or four years!
what a nice problem to have.
when weber's players leave early, it's almost always to transfer to another school!
Should I be more impressed with his 8-10 conference record in '19 when he had no nba draft picks on the roster, or more impressed with the whopping 2 game improvement in '20 when he signed a top 5 class and had 3 draft picks?
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is it really fair to call it "putting players in the nba" when u are just bribing 5-stars to come play for u, and not developing them in any noticeable way?
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is it really fair to call it "putting players in the nba" when u are just bribing 5-stars to come play for u, and not developing them in any noticeable way?
Yes
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is it really fair to call it "putting players in the nba" when u are just bribing 5-stars to come play for u, and not developing them in any noticeable way?
No.
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Signing Herb Pope is an impossible dream for any coach.
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After less than a week on the job, Moser signed a point guard from Shawnee Mission NW who Oscar has been chasing a year.
Take the coffee pot out of Oscar's office.
T
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We don’t have an open scholarship dumbass
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We actually do have one more, but they won't use that on a point guard, they are looking for a stretch 4.
The staff has been off of Mason, especially after landing Nowell. 'zifried, buddy, the guy's only offers were UMKC and Abilene Christian, you gotta be more selective with the meltdowns.
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We actually do have one more, but they won't use that on a point guard, they are looking for a stretch 4.
The staff has been off of Mason, especially after landing Nowell. 'zifried, buddy, the guy's only offers were UMKC and Abilene Christian, you gotta be more selective with the meltdowns.
Massoud is ours, that is the open scholly technically. Definitely weren’t going to take a 4 and a HS pg. They would find a scholly for Cardet, but lol at that.
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We actually do have one more, but they won't use that on a point guard, they are looking for a stretch 4.
The staff has been off of Mason, especially after landing Nowell. 'zifried, buddy, the guy's only offers were UMKC and Abilene Christian, you gotta be more selective with the meltdowns.
Massoud is ours, that is the open scholly technically. Definitely weren’t going to take a 4 and a HS pg. They would find a scholly for Cardet, but lol at that.
You can always find a scholarship, buttlick. Oscar did pursue Mason. I am sure we will regret his going to OU. Just another JoCo kid playing in tourney while Oscar continues to fail with his desperate recruitsm crap for brains.
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Idiot
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On paper, oscar is the best recruiting HC we've had since huggy bear cheated back in the day. His development is the issue. Anyone who faults his recruiting are giant dumb dumbs.
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On paper, oscar is the best recruiting HC we've had since huggy bear cheated back in the day. His development is the issue. Anyone who faults his recruiting are giant dumb dumbs.
It's one in the same to me. If you can't recruit players you can develop then you suck at recruiting and player development. Just because he gets "4 stars" doesn't mean he is good at recruiting. It involves getting the right players for the system, etc.
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Fair. He's just landed a lot of talent that we're marquee guys in the recruiting rankings. That's all I'm defending him for.
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On paper, oscar is the best recruiting HC we've had since huggy bear cheated back in the day. His development is the issue. Anyone who faults his recruiting are giant dumb dumbs.
kn
I know. We are still recovering from the sanctions imposed on us from Huggins' massive violations.
JFC, what a moron. He cheated so much, O.J.Mayo led us to a Final Four.
It's fools like this who keep us confortably small time.
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On paper, oscar is the best recruiting HC we've had since huggy bear cheated back in the day. His development is the issue. Anyone who faults his recruiting are giant dumb dumbs.
kn
I know. We are still recovering from the sanctions imposed on us from Huggins' massive violations.
JFC, what a moron. He cheated so much, O.J.Mayo led us to a Final Four.
It's fools like this who keep us confortably small time.
IF ONLY WE HAD MORE JUSTIN WILLIAMS ON THIS TEAM!
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Zif and wacky are definitely both wilding out, like extreme polar opposites.
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On paper, oscar is the best recruiting HC we've had since huggy bear cheated back in the day. His development is the issue. Anyone who faults his recruiting are giant dumb dumbs.
kn
I know. We are still recovering from the sanctions imposed on us from Huggins' massive violations.
JFC, what a moron. He cheated so much, O.J.Mayo led us to a Final Four.
It's fools like this who keep us confortably small time.
IF ONLY WE HAD MORE JUSTIN WILLIAMS ON THIS TEAM!
If he had been an Oscar recruit -- and he was more productive as a senior than any juco recruit that loser has brought to Manshattan -- you in your small-time mindset would worship him. You should really consider following D2 basketball. That's your comfort level.
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:lol:
Take a nap, Grandpa!
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:lol:
Take a nap, Grandpa!
Wrap yourself up in your Oscar security blanket and celebrate the small-time, assured K-State will never face the NCAA's wrath like we did with the cheating Huggins. (oh my, oh my, I clutch my pearls just thinking about the untoward things that were going on during those evil days.)
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ENRAGED! :love:
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ENRAGED! :love:
You timid little fool. How do you spend your frightful days? Reading Consumer Reports articles on comparative airbag safety.
You're really too dull a blade for my sword, except you are reflective of too many K-State fans willing to accept failure and justify it by lying aout the past.
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ok
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I laughed p. hard at “Manshattan”
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I just came here to bodybag whoever was slandering my man Justin William's name but now I just want to pull up a seat and watch this play out some more. :popcorn:
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oscar is the worst at recruiting guys to stay on his team
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Is 'zif Garth?
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Is 'zif Garth?
Nah, no way he could of stayed out of the farm thread.