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Title: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: j rake on March 08, 2021, 07:15:47 PM
gene should call these coaches, in the following order, and offer them the job:

1. john beilein - beilein is out of coaching, but you know he won't be for long. he made a mistake exiting college for the cavs and now needs a compelling reason to get back into it. k-state can appeal to him: beilein loves to rebuild programs. he's been doing it his whole career - from le moyne to canisius to richmond to west virginia to michigan. this is a perfect opportunity. beyond that, he can bring his son, patrick, aboard and groom him to be the coach-in-waiting. patrick is a rising star who will need to rehab his image after resigning from niagara for "personal reasons."

2. rick pitino - this would be bob huggins part II. pitino used iona to rehab his image, and now we've all forgotten about the bad crap he did. would he leave iona for k-state given that he probably prefers to live in NY? maybe. but here's how to sweeten it: offer for his son, richard, to come aboard and become the head-coach-in-waiting. richard has a bright future despite "failing" at minnesota. the conference has been brutally hard and he's been very unlucky between signing one trainwreck recruiting class and then having bad luck with injuries. rick would love the opportunity to coach alongside his son at a school with a legit chance to go all the way.

3. sean miller - great recruiter and program builder. would orchestrate an immediate turnaround. can go toe-to-toe with bill self when it comes to cheating for recruits. very good chance he splits from arizona. this would be a huggins-like landing spot for him - a chance to rebuild his image while other schools will take a pass due to ncaa sanctions, fbi, etc baggage.

4. kelvin sampson - he took wazzu, okla, indiana and now houston to the ncaa tourney. capable of immediate turnarounds. willing to cheat. highly likely to say no, as he's 65 and has lived in houston for a decade now extending back to his time w the rockets. but at least reach out to see if he's interested in a return to the big 12.

5. porter moser - great coach and better person. has proven he can do more with less. k-state is not a catholic school however and moser values religion. he also previously turned down offers from UNLV and st john's. he will say no - but gene should make him say no.

6. kyle smith - big schools will come after him in a few years after he leads wazzu to a top-4 pac-12 finish and ncaa tourney appearance in 2022. k-state has a chance to be early before his stock surges and not have to compete with better schools willing to offer more money.

7. frank martin - i don't love this, as i think frank is an overrated coach. but as far as infusing energy into the program and having the fanbase go batshit crazy, it would be hard to argue against bringing him back. he loved k-state but hated john currie. he would be embraced and his time at south carolina is ending soon.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: wetwillie on March 08, 2021, 07:26:04 PM
I’d kill a drifter to get Sean Miller.  Kelvin Sampson makes more than oscar and can back the money truck up to Houston anytime he wants.  The two geriatrics at the top of your list are a hard pass. Never heard of the other guys.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Kat Kid on March 08, 2021, 07:28:47 PM
Sean Miller?  My god.  I would get basketball tickets again!
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: j rake on March 08, 2021, 07:33:02 PM
I’d kill a drifter to get Sean Miller.  Kelvin Sampson makes more than oscar and can back the money truck up to Houston anytime he wants.  The two geriatrics at the top of your list are a hard pass. Never heard of the other guys.

lol at age 68 being "geriatric." LHC Bill Snyder is the oldest-looking upper 60s/early 70s coach i've ever seen (in fairness, it's the glasses) and he made it to age 78. beilein and pitino could give seven years no problem and hand off to their sons anytime.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: chum1 on March 08, 2021, 07:35:53 PM
Chris Lowery
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 08, 2021, 08:01:26 PM
Rick Stansbury. He has successfully recruited NBA talent to Western Kentucky. Got to be worth an interview.

Thad Matta: retired for health reasons after a very successful stretch at Ohio State. Said to have regained his health and interested in coaching once again.

Brad: Should be the first phone call out of simple courtesy. I know he makes a mint, but he's also been quoted as saying K-State is his dream job. However much it would take would be worth it. Would note he is likely to lose the core of what could be a national champion team.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: j rake on March 08, 2021, 08:06:17 PM
Chris Lowery

chris lowery is an artist when it comes to turning programs around. he took an already-built southern illinois program and drove it straight into the ground, it would be interesting to see if he could do the opposite: take an already-cratered program and build it back to a winner!
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 08, 2021, 08:16:12 PM
Chris Lowery

chris lowery is an artist when it comes to turning programs around. he took an already-built southern illinois program and drove it straight into the ground, it would be interesting to see if he could do the opposite: take an already-cratered program and build it back to a winner!

Talk about a hire that would not sell a single season ticket and be viewed as the athletic department raising the white flag on the program. He would surely carry on the Oscar tradition of defense-first teams with horrible offenses, so yeah probably.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: pissclams on March 08, 2021, 08:18:18 PM
boy did this board need another oscar replacement thread since the two pinned ones weren’t good enough for “j fake”
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: j rake on March 08, 2021, 08:20:03 PM
Rick Stansbury. He has successfully recruited NBA talent to Western Kentucky. Got to be worth an interview.

stansbury is very underrated. it wouldn't be an exciting hire, but they could do a lot worse.

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Thad Matta: retired for health reasons after a very successful stretch at Ohio State. Said to have regained his health and interested in coaching once again.

for years, i made fun of thad's awful sideline demeanor. then an ohio state fan told me had drop foot. whoops! i agree he would be an excellent hire, and it's crazy that he's only 53 years old.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: j rake on March 08, 2021, 08:22:36 PM
boy did this board need another oscar replacement thread since the two pinned ones weren’t good enough for “j fake”

my eyes are trained to never look at pinned stuff.  :frown:
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 08, 2021, 09:13:44 PM
boy did this board need another oscar replacement thread since the two pinned ones weren’t good enough for “j fake”

my eyes are trained to never look at pinned stuff.  :frown:
Ight bet
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: michigancat on March 08, 2021, 09:49:45 PM


it's crazy that he's only 53 years old.

WHAT??? So it looks like he was 37 when he got the Ohio State job. Had no idea.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: 8manpick on March 08, 2021, 09:53:34 PM
I’ll take all of jrakes options. TIA
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: michigancat on March 08, 2021, 10:02:46 PM
I’ll take all of jrakes options. TIA
Yes, I would take them, too! Except maybe Pitino, because I don't like the vibes from the tryst that led to him paying for an abortion. (I am not familiar with the details)
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 08, 2021, 10:07:29 PM
I’ll take all of jrakes options. TIA
Yes, I would take them, too! Except maybe Pitino, because I don't like the vibes from the tryst that led to him paying for an abortion. (I am not familiar with the details)

Every detail I've heard makes Pitino look even worse.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Trim on March 08, 2021, 10:26:37 PM
Rather than pick from Rake's list, we should can Gene's ass and install Rake.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: michigancat on March 08, 2021, 10:30:49 PM
Rather than pick from Rake's list, we should can Gene's ass and install Rake.
Rake would have hired Klieman fwiw
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 08, 2021, 10:32:26 PM
If he’s healthy, I’m all in on Matta
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 09, 2021, 12:31:53 AM
Just read Wichita State has reached out to Matta. Gene needs to do a HCBS thing with Oscar stat, and go get Matta.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on March 09, 2021, 12:38:07 AM
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Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on March 09, 2021, 12:38:47 AM
Just read Wichita State has reached out to Matta. Gene needs to do a HCBS thing with Oscar stat, and go get Matta.

Uh, Wichita State has a coach.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: j rake on March 09, 2021, 09:18:57 AM
Rather than pick from Rake's list, we should can Gene's ass and install Rake.
Rake would have hired Klieman fwiw

klieman got screwed by injuries/covid last year. it was still the best hire of all available options, including the dreadful seth LittreLL, and he will do okay going forward. NDSU didn't become what it was until klieman arrived as coordinator and ultimately head coach, and now with klieman gone, we're starting to see the slow erosion of the program - NDSU pretty much sucks this year.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: wetwillie on March 09, 2021, 09:43:43 AM
Tell me more about Sean Miller’s resume and accomplishments I’m still kind of on the fence.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on March 09, 2021, 10:50:06 AM
Tell me more about Sean Miller’s resume and accomplishments I’m still kind of on the fence.

He hasn't won a tournament game since 2017. In 2018 when he had one of the most bought and paid for rosters in college basketball he did win a weak ass Pac 12 but they proceeded to get bounced in the first round. Since Arizona got busted cheating he has finished 8th, and 5th twice in a consistently bad Pac 12 conference. If he isn't at Arizona next year it will be because he hasn't been a good coach since the NCAA cut the Nike faucet off. Can the dude even coach? He had a top 5 class in 2019 and #7 in 2020 and he can't win enough to make the tournament in by far the weakest high major conference.

He may also get a show cause like Dan Mullen did. They were both charged with not promoting an environment of compliance, which I'm guessing the NCAA are now going to give every head coach with assistants who get caught cheating.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 09, 2021, 11:05:55 AM
Got a text that Fitz is stirring the pot w/ Brad. Anyone got a sub over there? I'm sure he's just looking for clicks so I'm not going to dance all over his board to find it.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: pissclams on March 09, 2021, 11:34:37 AM
He may also get a show cause like Dan Mullen did. They were both charged with not promoting an environment of compliance, which I'm guessing the NCAA are now going to give every head coach with assistants who get caught cheating.

KthUg?
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 09, 2021, 11:37:15 AM
Did not know Sean Miller sucked so much butt
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: michigancat on March 09, 2021, 12:40:26 PM
Rather than pick from Rake's list, we should can Gene's ass and install Rake.
Rake would have hired Klieman fwiw

klieman got screwed by injuries/covid last year. it was still the best hire of all available options, including the dreadful seth LittreLL, and he will do okay going forward. NDSU didn't become what it was until klieman arrived as coordinator and ultimately head coach, and now with klieman gone, we're starting to see the slow erosion of the program - NDSU pretty much sucks this year.
I like Klieman a lot!
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: wetwillie on March 09, 2021, 12:52:34 PM
Tell me more about Sean Miller’s resume and accomplishments I’m still kind of on the fence.

He hasn't won a tournament game since 2017. In 2018 when he had one of the most bought and paid for rosters in college basketball he did win a weak ass Pac 12 but they proceeded to get bounced in the first round. Since Arizona got busted cheating he has finished 8th, and 5th twice in a consistently bad Pac 12 conference. If he isn't at Arizona next year it will be because he hasn't been a good coach since the NCAA cut the Nike faucet off. Can the dude even coach? He had a top 5 class in 2019 and #7 in 2020 and he can't win enough to make the tournament in by far the weakest high major conference.

He may also get a show cause like Dan Mullen did. They were both charged with not promoting an environment of compliance, which I'm guessing the NCAA are now going to give every head coach with assistants who get caught cheating.

Went back to look at his record at Xavier and was really impressed with his last 3 years there.  Then I realized they went from Thad Matta to Sean Miller to Chris Mack in the span of 18 years and have seen an elite 8 appearance for all 3 coaches. 
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: j rake on March 09, 2021, 01:03:34 PM
miller's final two years at xavier were top-20 level (and had a nice five-year run overall) and he had a pair of top 5 teams (including arguably the best team in the country in '13) within his first five years taking over Arizona. the zona program he inherited had three coaches in three years (lute's final year, then kevin o'neill then russ pennell). it was definitely a rebuild.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: j rake on March 09, 2021, 01:15:34 PM
“There was no doubt he adopted me as his own." —future head coach of kansas state men's basketball, speaking of current AD Gene Taylor.

Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Jobu on March 09, 2021, 01:44:30 PM
Greg Lansing is out at Indiana State.  Maybe go for that.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: j rake on March 09, 2021, 02:01:51 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/5L8QPd2/0-1.png) (https://ibb.co/Hqzcj0X)
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Havs on March 09, 2021, 02:18:27 PM
We're going to be competing for coaches aren't we...
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Jobu on March 09, 2021, 02:33:09 PM
We're going to be competing for coaches aren't we...

Just go get DeVries and call it a day.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: wetwillie on March 09, 2021, 02:57:36 PM
We're going to be competing for coaches aren't we...

Lol no
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 09, 2021, 03:01:33 PM
We're going to be competing for coaches aren't we...

Not sure if you know this, but we're the 22nd best basketball program of all time.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 09, 2021, 04:43:27 PM
I think ISU will probably get Hoiberg to come back.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: wetwillie on March 09, 2021, 05:08:47 PM
I think ISU will probably get Hoiberg to come back.

You have lost your damn mind
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Havs on March 09, 2021, 05:59:58 PM
Fred's buyout at Nebraska is like $10m
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: wetwillie on March 09, 2021, 06:37:40 PM
Fred's buyout at Nebraska is like $10m

Also hates Jamie Pollards guts
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: pissclams on March 09, 2021, 06:40:47 PM
Fred's buyout at Nebraska is like $10m

Also hates Jamie Pollards guts
who doesn’t? i know that i do
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on March 09, 2021, 06:50:47 PM
Fred's buyout at Nebraska is like $10m

Also hates Jamie Pollards guts

THIS!!!!!!!! [redacted] made them sleep in a ballroom  :ROFL:
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Havs on March 11, 2021, 11:08:53 AM
Fred's buyout at Nebraska is like $10m

Also hates Jamie Pollards guts

I think we have a winner.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Havs on March 11, 2021, 11:09:10 AM
Has oscar said anything about his former player Meyers Leonard?
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 11, 2021, 01:20:02 PM
Has oscar said anything about his former player Meyers Leonard?
Why would he?
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: kso_FWN on March 11, 2021, 01:20:53 PM
j rake is great, but this has to be trolling.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: steve dave on March 11, 2021, 01:28:31 PM
j rake is great, but this has to be trolling.
Are you even vaguely familiar with j rake?


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Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: kso_FWN on March 11, 2021, 01:29:20 PM
j rake is great, but this has to be trolling.
Are you even vaguely familiar with j rake?


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Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: DaBigTrain on March 11, 2021, 01:57:31 PM
Omg someone gif that oscar Texas tech bell ringer reaction
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: j rake on March 13, 2021, 04:32:01 PM
congratulations to rick pitino. brand new team. no offseason. covid outbreak. no games all of november. no games all of january. forced stoppages at every step along the way. frustration. misery. publicly stated you didn't even want to play. but then you played. and then you won. and then you won some more. and then in the MAAC tournament you won four straight games. and now you're in the ncaa tournament. just like always.

the best coach in the country is at F-ing iona.  :bawl:
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: j rake on March 13, 2021, 04:33:44 PM
j rake is great, but this has to be trolling.

the only one trolling is gene taylor.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Cool Hand Luke on March 13, 2021, 07:04:03 PM
Greggggg is your guy. Do it.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: ELL3 on March 13, 2021, 07:26:17 PM
Greggggg is your guy. Do it.

Stan Weber per Quik Trip sources, says Oscar will be extended soon, big relief 
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on March 13, 2021, 08:34:46 PM
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 14, 2021, 12:22:40 PM
Who else wants to join my wrecking ball gofundme?
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: steve dave on March 15, 2021, 12:29:05 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/51sxix.jpg)
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 15, 2021, 12:43:33 PM
take it to the memes you like thread, SD
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: kso_FWN on March 15, 2021, 04:43:02 PM
Can we get 1800 people to give their entire stimi?
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2021, 05:23:09 PM
Can we get 1800 people to give their entire stimi?

(https://i.gifer.com/pZj.gif)
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: michigancat on March 16, 2021, 04:35:40 PM
Well I like to think we could have landed Pitino
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: michigancat on March 16, 2021, 04:37:08 PM
Well I like to think we could have landed Pitino

except he (or his wife) might be looking for a more cosmopolitan lifestyle, just like Tubby Smith who went on to coach in Tulsa, Athens, GA, Lexington, KY, and Lubbock, TX.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: wetwillie on March 16, 2021, 04:40:54 PM
Well I like to think we could have landed Pitino

Which one?
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: michigancat on March 16, 2021, 04:44:16 PM
Well I like to think we could have landed Pitino

Which one?
The good one!
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: wetwillie on March 16, 2021, 04:56:10 PM
Well I like to think we could have landed Pitino

Which one?
The good one!

I’m pretty sure he would leave Iona for KSU still
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: michigancat on March 16, 2021, 04:57:15 PM
Well I like to think we could have landed Pitino

Which one?
The good one!

I’m pretty sure he would leave Iona for KSU still

oh I got them mixed up whoops
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: wetwillie on March 16, 2021, 04:59:52 PM
The other one just got fired and had to go coach in the Mountain West
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 18, 2021, 03:57:44 PM
There's currently a rumor out there that oscar was retiring, agreed on extended by out and things similar to Snyder, and it was a done deal. Then Carl Ice came in and told oscar not to retire....

And those same people are also saying Carl will be the one to bring Brad. They act like they all have sources as well.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: steve dave on March 18, 2021, 06:53:04 PM
I’m a fan of that stupid rumor


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Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: ben ji on March 18, 2021, 08:32:23 PM
So we are just waiting for Illinois to finish their season then BOOM, oscar retires and Brad comes home?
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: steve dave on March 18, 2021, 08:55:20 PM
So we are just waiting for Illinois to finish their season then BOOM, oscar retires and Brad comes home?

that's what these colossal dumbshits are saying and, I mean, who are we to dispute this incredible thing they are saying?
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: chum1 on March 18, 2021, 09:42:08 PM
You don't get jumbotrons named after you by not being smart enough to know that you need to string along oscar until it is the right time for Brad.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: steve dave on March 18, 2021, 09:49:12 PM
it goes like this

1) get a billion
2) make some completely cockeyed plan that could never happen
3) (we are here) make that thing irl happen

godspeed old rich moron
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: wetwillie on March 18, 2021, 09:58:59 PM
How rich is Carl Ice?  I know he is wealthy but not like Mark Cuban rich right?
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: steve dave on March 18, 2021, 10:52:24 PM
Apparently he may be!


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Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 18, 2021, 11:02:36 PM
How rich is Carl Ice?  I know he is wealthy but not like Mark Cuban rich right?

Some of K-State's biggest donors are hard to track because they work for, own, partner in or run private entities. 







Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: star seed 7 on March 18, 2021, 11:07:28 PM
Train barons have done well historically
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2021, 12:03:26 AM
There's currently a rumor out there that oscar was retiring, agreed on extended by out and things similar to Snyder, and it was a done deal. Then Carl Ice came in and told oscar not to retire....

And those same people are also saying Carl will be the one to bring Brad. They act like they all have sources as well.

lol, okay
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: ben ji on March 19, 2021, 12:10:23 AM
How rich is Carl Ice?  I know he is wealthy but not like Mark Cuban rich right?

Not sure of net worth but he has been the CEO of BNSF RR for the last 10 years. I'm sure Warren Buffet has taken good care of him.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 19, 2021, 09:37:10 AM
(https://funvizeo.com/media/memes/1436bfea97c69acb/list-worldss-richest-person-trillionaires-that-list-memes-54a2a27858ac55ab-38cc453ad55cfc56.jpg)

so i guess carl ice is james franco in this memealogy
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 19, 2021, 09:37:33 AM
There's currently a rumor out there that oscar was retiring, agreed on extended by out and things similar to Snyder, and it was a done deal. Then Carl Ice came in and told oscar not to retire....

And those same people are also saying Carl will be the one to bring Brad. They act like they all have sources as well.

lol, okay

I laughed at the first part many times. Then the more I thought about it, it kind of made sense. They want to either pay the money for Brad and deal with the optics issues, or oscar returns without paying him to leave/dealing with the blow back.

(I'm team anyone but oscar if the transfers continue, but if this rumor is true, I kind of like it)
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: bunter on March 19, 2021, 09:41:36 AM
If it happens like that can we safely deduce that Illinois is a stepping stone job for KSU? I mean two in a row and all
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: star seed 7 on March 19, 2021, 10:01:50 AM
What if the squawks steal Brad?
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Post by: ChiComCat on March 19, 2021, 10:12:07 AM
What if the squawks steal Brad?

If Brad is willing to go to KU then it's pretty safe to say that we either mumped it up or he was never loyal enough to leave Illinois for us anyways.
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Post by: steve dave on March 19, 2021, 10:19:41 AM
lmao at any of this. Prove me wrong Carl!


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Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 19, 2021, 10:31:28 AM
lmao at any of this. Prove me wrong Carl!


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Yeah, this is the stupidest things k-state fans have ever flirted with believing.
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Post by: nicname on March 19, 2021, 10:47:19 AM
lmao at any of this. Prove me wrong Carl!


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Yeah, this is the stupidest things k-state fans have ever flirted with believing.

Dare to dream iyam.
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Post by: Shooter Jones on March 19, 2021, 10:49:27 AM
lmao at any of this. Prove me wrong Carl!


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Yeah, this is the stupidest things k-state fans have ever flirted with believing.

You haven't been in tune w/ K-State fans for very long then.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: ben ji on March 19, 2021, 11:27:27 AM
Remember when it was crazy to dream that we would fire Wooly then hire Huggins who would bring in the GRCOAT?
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 19, 2021, 11:45:21 AM
Semi-disgraced Bob Huggins not very similar to Brad "about to go to the final four" Underwood who we completely mumped over a few years back.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 19, 2021, 11:47:31 AM
imo
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2021, 11:48:42 AM
There's currently a rumor out there that oscar was retiring, agreed on extended by out and things similar to Snyder, and it was a done deal. Then Carl Ice came in and told oscar not to retire....

And those same people are also saying Carl will be the one to bring Brad. They act like they all have sources as well.

lol, okay

I laughed at the first part many times. Then the more I thought about it, it kind of made sense. They want to either pay the money for Brad and deal with the optics issues, or oscar returns without paying him to leave/dealing with the blow back.

(I'm team anyone but oscar if the transfers continue, but if this rumor is true, I kind of like it)

The silliest part about this incredibly silly scenario is that oscar wanted to retire but a donor convinced him not to. Like how did that work? oscar wanted to retire so badly that he apparently told his boss and donors that he wanted to do so, then he was talked out of retiring without the need for a new contract or anything?
I'm retiring.
No please don't.
Why not?
Because.
Okay, I won't retire
Like this doesn't make sense at all. If he wants to retire I don't know why anyone would talk him out of retirement, or if he wanted to retire why he'd listen.

I actually do believe him when he said he hadn't thought about retiring. I don't think he's capable of stone cold lying. I think if he had he would have fumbled the answer like he did when he was asked about Antonio Gordon.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2021, 11:50:45 AM
Semi-disgraced Bob Huggins not very similar to Brad "about to go to the final four" Underwood who we completely mumped over a few years back.

lol, how did we eff over Underwood? When was the last time we hired a basketball head coach without any D1 head coaching experience? I would have to be well before any of us were alive.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 19, 2021, 11:54:20 AM
Underwood was completely obtainable before he took the Illinois job. He still likes us.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 19, 2021, 12:10:53 PM
There's currently a rumor out there that oscar was retiring, agreed on extended by out and things similar to Snyder, and it was a done deal. Then Carl Ice came in and told oscar not to retire....

And those same people are also saying Carl will be the one to bring Brad. They act like they all have sources as well.

lol, okay

I laughed at the first part many times. Then the more I thought about it, it kind of made sense. They want to either pay the money for Brad and deal with the optics issues, or oscar returns without paying him to leave/dealing with the blow back.

(I'm team anyone but oscar if the transfers continue, but if this rumor is true, I kind of like it)

The silliest part about this incredibly silly scenario is that oscar wanted to retire but a donor convinced him not to. Like how did that work? oscar wanted to retire so badly that he apparently told his boss and donors that he wanted to do so, then he was talked out of retiring without the need for a new contract or anything?
I'm retiring.
No please don't.
Why not?
Because.
Okay, I won't retire
Like this doesn't make sense at all. If he wants to retire I don't know why anyone would talk him out of retirement, or if he wanted to retire why he'd listen.

I actually do believe him when he said he hadn't thought about retiring. I don't think he's capable of stone cold lying. I think if he had he would have fumbled the answer like he did when he was asked about Antonio Gordon.

First, I don't think anyone is saying oscar "wanted so badly" to retire, but they're claiming an agreement was in place to be fired/retired. Second, oscar and Carl are supposedly close friends and Carl may have told oscar not to retire unless a plan (only Brad w/ keeping some staff) is in place? Seems pretty weird either way, but I wouldn't say "silly".

I honestly don't know.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 19, 2021, 12:13:58 PM
Semi-disgraced Bob Huggins not very similar to Brad "about to go to the final four" Underwood who we completely mumped over a few years back.

lol, how did we eff over Underwood? When was the last time we hired a basketball head coach without any D1 head coaching experience? I would have to be well before any of us were alive.

Maybe hyperbole, but he deserved an interview.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Chingon on March 19, 2021, 12:40:19 PM
Semi-disgraced Bob Huggins not very similar to Brad "about to go to the final four" Underwood who we completely mumped over a few years back.

lol, how did we eff over Underwood? When was the last time we hired a basketball head coach without any D1 head coaching experience? I would have to be well before any of us were alive.
Frank Martin
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2021, 12:50:32 PM
Semi-disgraced Bob Huggins not very similar to Brad "about to go to the final four" Underwood who we completely mumped over a few years back.

lol, how did we eff over Underwood? When was the last time we hired a basketball head coach without any D1 head coaching experience? I would have to be well before any of us were alive.
Frank Martin

lol, yeah
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2021, 12:52:16 PM
Semi-disgraced Bob Huggins not very similar to Brad "about to go to the final four" Underwood who we completely mumped over a few years back.

lol, how did we eff over Underwood? When was the last time we hired a basketball head coach without any D1 head coaching experience? I would have to be well before any of us were alive.

Maybe hyperbole, but he deserved an interview.

I'm assuming that you're referring to 2012, and I really don't think Currie wanted anything to do with Frank Martin or his staff. Considering the circumstances of how Frank left, interviewing Brad would have been folly.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2021, 12:56:19 PM
DAMN! Someone else found the money, this dude didn't even have a losing record. One losing season out of the last 6 and that was exactly 1 game below .500

Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: ELL3 on March 19, 2021, 02:29:15 PM
Oscar needs to go home and finish his career
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2021, 02:31:49 PM
Wasn’t the oscar “retire” tweet/rumor always that we’d can his ass and call it retirement like OBz? I never read it as even a made-up assertion that oscar would consider voluntary retirement.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: nicname on March 19, 2021, 04:04:37 PM
Wasn’t the oscar “retire” tweet/rumor always that we’d can his ass and call it retirement like OBz? I never read it as even a made-up assertion that oscar would consider voluntary retirement.

I think yes
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2021, 04:45:42 PM
Wasn’t the oscar “retire” tweet/rumor always that we’d can his ass and call it retirement like OBz? I never read it as even a made-up assertion that oscar would consider voluntary retirement.

That was never determined, with Snyder we knew that was the only way he'd go out, I don't think that's the case with oscar but nnobody has any earthly idea.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: 1863 on March 19, 2021, 04:57:17 PM
DAMN! Someone else found the money, this dude didn't even have a losing record. One losing season out of the last 6 and that was exactly 1 game below .500


He also never won his conference or made it past the round of 64 at the NCAAT. Most years they were around 6-9th in the Big East.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: ben ji on March 19, 2021, 07:35:57 PM
Fitz was on 810 this afternoon and said he had heard alot about oscar "retiring" but who knows. Fitz also mentioned that he has known Brad Underwood since high school, no idea what that connection is about but found it interesting.

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Post by: nicname on March 19, 2021, 07:42:44 PM
Fitz was on 810 this afternoon and said he had heard alot about oscar "retiring" but who knows. Fitz also mentioned that he has known Brad Underwood since high school, no idea what that connection is about but found it interesting.

Brad would have been a Bullpup in the early to mid-80s late 70s to early 80s Fits prob played him in sports or something.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: KITNfury on March 19, 2021, 08:32:06 PM
Brad should never be discussed again unless he gets canned for some scandal.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Woogy on March 19, 2021, 09:58:28 PM
Fitz was on 810 this afternoon and said he had heard alot about oscar "retiring" but who knows. Fitz also mentioned that he has known Brad Underwood since high school, no idea what that connection is about but found it interesting.



Brad would have been a Bullpup in the early to mid-80s late 70s to early 80s Fits prob played him in sports or something.

79-82.  Where is Fitz from?  Back then we played Newton, Winfield, Ark City, Campus, Derby, El Dorado, Hutch. 
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2021, 10:33:54 PM
Fitz was on 810 this afternoon and said he had heard alot about oscar "retiring" but who knows. Fitz also mentioned that he has known Brad Underwood since high school, no idea what that connection is about but found it interesting.



Brad would have been a Bullpup in the early to mid-80s late 70s to early 80s Fits prob played him in sports or something.

79-82.  Where is Fitz from?  Back then we played Newton, Winfield, Ark City, Campus, Derby, El Dorado, Hutch.

Pretty sure Fitz is from Salina. He talked about being friends with Brad in high school back in 2016 when he showed his ass and had a tantrum when OSU hired Brad.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Woogy on March 20, 2021, 09:39:51 AM
Must have been outside of BBall then. Brad was a year ahead of me and I was a BBall manager/trainer those years. Looking back we only played one of the Salina schools once, at sub-state, during his junior and senior years. Dont recall he did other sports. Don't think off-season camps were a thing then either.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 20, 2021, 11:20:53 AM
Must have been outside of BBall then. Brad was a year ahead of me and I was a BBall manager/trainer those years. Looking back we only played one of the Salina schools once, at sub-state, during his junior and senior years. Dont recall he did other sports. Don't think off-season camps were a thing then either.

Could have been at summer camps or something or Fritz is lying, which is always a possiblity.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on March 20, 2021, 12:11:06 PM
Tim Fitzgerald absolutely did not play high school basketball. The likely story is they are both approximately the same age, both from central Kansas, and both went to K-State, probably hung out in the same places and had circles of friends that somewhat overlapped. Then their careers came together again 25 years later.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 20, 2021, 08:13:11 PM
Fitz seems like someone who would have went to American Legion boys camp and developed a homo-erotic crush on one of the more popular boys there who didn't struggle with pushups.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on March 20, 2021, 08:45:41 PM
'zifried, NO!
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: j rake on March 21, 2021, 11:46:18 AM
porter moser (#5 coach on the rake list) is currently coaching circles around brad underwood (unlisted on rake list) as i type this ...

enough with loser ex illinois coaches.

GET PORTER MOSER!
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Chingon on March 21, 2021, 12:01:41 PM
porter moser (#5 coach on the rake list) is currently coaching circles around brad underwood (unlisted on rake list) as i type this ...

enough with loser ex illinois coaches.

GET PORTER MOSER!
Brad's boys can't seem to figure out how to play defense against this scheme. Getting destroyed.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: michigancat on March 21, 2021, 12:03:00 PM
brad needs to have that big guy dunk it more in the second half
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: j rake on March 21, 2021, 12:08:11 PM
they're getting worked over by a kid who looks like a plumber.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: nicname on March 21, 2021, 12:29:46 PM
they're getting worked over by a kid who looks like a plumber.

As much as I love Brad, him losing and Moser winning is prob best situation for our Cats. Don’t need Brad contemplating leaving a F4 team. Best to nip that in the bud. GJ, Porter (so far).

EMAW should be better able to go after both now. Circle of life.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: memphis on March 21, 2021, 12:34:00 PM
Gonzaga vs Illinois would have been a really good game  :don'tcare:
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Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 21, 2021, 12:37:10 PM
Brad and the hurricane in lavender would be amazing
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: nicname on March 21, 2021, 01:36:04 PM
Put on that purple suit, Brad. You’re going to like the way you look. I guarantee it.
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Post by: nicname on March 21, 2021, 02:27:13 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210321/c74252fce134f41e84c5cc03ca1ae463.jpg)
Lol


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Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: j rake on March 21, 2021, 04:23:41 PM
i'm not sure what the rules are, but would k-state have to take on sister jean or how does that work?
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: pissclams on March 21, 2021, 06:39:31 PM
i'm not sure what the rules are, but would k-state have to take on sister jean or how does that work?
not worth it if so
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: tdaver on March 22, 2021, 01:51:03 PM
https://sltrib.com/sports/utah-state-sports/2021/03/22/report-utah-state-coach/
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: IPA4Me on March 22, 2021, 04:31:03 PM
Just burn it down. Eff KState basketball.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: chum1 on March 22, 2021, 06:11:24 PM
Greg McDermott can be our Dana Altman.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: wetwillie on March 22, 2021, 06:20:19 PM
Just burn it down. Eff KState basketball.

They didn’t hire him
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Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2021, 06:23:03 PM
Just burn it down. Eff KState basketball.

They didn’t hire him

even if they did, we don't have an opening and there are always Craig Smiths available
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: wetwillie on March 22, 2021, 07:05:51 PM
Just burn it down. Eff KState basketball.

They didn’t hire him

even if they did, we don't have an opening and there are always Craig Smiths available

Yea they are all over the place, it’s kind of reassuring really.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on March 22, 2021, 10:39:44 PM
Just burn it down. Eff KState basketball.

They didn’t hire him

even if they did, we don't have an opening and there are always Craig Smiths available

Yeah, that hire wouldn't exactly be out-of-the-box or innovative.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: j rake on March 22, 2021, 11:44:56 PM
Just burn it down. Eff KState basketball.

They didn’t hire him

even if they did, we don't have an opening and there are always Craig Smiths available

he's not even the best smith!
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: j rake on April 02, 2021, 05:03:39 PM
gene should call these coaches, in the following order, and offer them the job:

1. john beilein - beilein is out of coaching, but you know he won't be for long. he made a mistake exiting college for the cavs and now needs a compelling reason to get back into it. k-state can appeal to him: beilein loves to rebuild programs. he's been doing it his whole career - from le moyne to canisius to richmond to west virginia to michigan. this is a perfect opportunity. beyond that, he can bring his son, patrick, aboard and groom him to be the coach-in-waiting. patrick is a rising star who will need to rehab his image after resigning from niagara for "personal reasons."

2. rick pitino - this would be bob huggins part II. pitino used iona to rehab his image, and now we've all forgotten about the bad crap he did. would he leave iona for k-state given that he probably prefers to live in NY? maybe. but here's how to sweeten it: offer for his son, richard, to come aboard and become the head-coach-in-waiting. richard has a bright future despite "failing" at minnesota. the conference has been brutally hard and he's been very unlucky between signing one trainwreck recruiting class and then having bad luck with injuries. rick would love the opportunity to coach alongside his son at a school with a legit chance to go all the way. (richard hired by new mexico already)

3. sean miller - great recruiter and program builder. would orchestrate an immediate turnaround. can go toe-to-toe with bill self when it comes to cheating for recruits. very good chance he splits from arizona. this would be a huggins-like landing spot for him - a chance to rebuild his image while other schools will take a pass due to ncaa sanctions, fbi, etc baggage.

4. kelvin sampson - he took wazzu, okla, indiana and now houston to the ncaa tourney. capable of immediate turnarounds. willing to cheat. highly likely to say no, as he's 65 and has lived in houston for a decade now extending back to his time w the rockets. but at least reach out to see if he's interested in a return to the big 12. (too good for us now, made FF)

5. porter moser - great coach and better person. has proven he can do more with less. k-state is not a catholic school however and moser values religion. he also previously turned down offers from UNLV and st john's. he will say no - but gene should make him say no.

6. kyle smith - big schools will come after him in a few years after he leads wazzu to a top-4 pac-12 finish and ncaa tourney appearance in 2022. k-state has a chance to be early before his stock surges and not have to compete with better schools willing to offer more money.

7. frank martin - i don't love this, as i think frank is an overrated coach. but as far as infusing energy into the program and having the fanbase go batshit crazy, it would be hard to argue against bringing him back. he loved k-state but hated john currie. he would be embraced and his time at south carolina is ending soon.

Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Spracne on April 02, 2021, 05:06:00 PM
Damn. Nice get for the Sooners.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Shooter Jones on April 02, 2021, 05:32:46 PM
Do you think Gene has even noticed any of these moves in the B12?
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: michigancat on April 02, 2021, 05:36:39 PM
Do you think Gene has even noticed any of these moves in the B12?
Nope
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: nicname on April 02, 2021, 09:21:45 PM
Keeping oscar is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on April 02, 2021, 10:00:56 PM
Keeping oscar is ridiculous.

More ridiculous now than three weeks ago?
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: nicname on April 02, 2021, 10:16:12 PM
Keeping oscar is ridiculous.

More ridiculous now than three weeks ago?

More nauseating probably a better word
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on April 03, 2021, 09:52:41 AM
Keeping oscar is ridiculous.

More ridiculous now than three weeks ago?

More nauseating probably a better word

What I'm asking is has your opinion on this shifted since other programs hired coaches?
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Shooter Jones on April 03, 2021, 10:45:00 AM
You look around the B12 and you see AD's with a plan and commitment to their basketball programs/coaches.

Hell, if Tech is will to pay the next coach close to what they were paying Beard, they could make a really damn good hire and still be in a good place as well.

Then we have Gene/oscar (Maybe TCU is a somewhat similar situation??)

Every time I hear Gene talk, he seems more and more losery to me.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on April 03, 2021, 10:51:20 AM
Keeping oscar is ridiculous.

More ridiculous now than three weeks ago?

More nauseating probably a better word

What I'm asking is has your opinion on this shifted since other programs hired coaches?

It galvanizes my opinion that COVID is a lousy excuse for giving someone a free pass, since the carousel is spinning just as fast if not faster than in previous years. The only leeway I would give is that with so many higher profile jobs opening up it reduces the chances we get Our Guy, whomstever that may be.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: wetwillie on April 03, 2021, 10:52:06 AM
The nice thing is the league is super strong so will probably continue to get 7 bids.  TCU, KSU, ISU and TTU get to Duke it out for the last spot this year. 
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Shooter Jones on April 03, 2021, 12:20:51 PM
Keeping oscar is ridiculous.

More ridiculous now than three weeks ago?

More nauseating probably a better word

What I'm asking is has your opinion on this shifted since other programs hired coaches?

It galvanizes my opinion that COVID is a lousy excuse for giving someone a free pass, since the carousel is spinning just as fast if not faster than in previous years. The only leeway I would give is that with so many higher profile jobs opening up it reduces the chances we get Our Guy, whomstever that may be.

Probably a bit of tangent here (and over reaction on Gene), but I see a large percentage of AD's that want to win and have excitement in their programs moving forward. If/when stadiums are allowed to be full this next season, they want them to be full. They want revenue in tickets and merch. There were serious trends of fans staying home before the pandemic, I don't think it's a given everyone will flock to fill stadiums every week/game next season. Especially if the product is garbage.

I just don't feel Gene gives a crap, or he feels our aw shucks fan base will just show up no matter the product on the field/court. Has he ever really pushed to sell tickets? Currie bragged about the sellout streak and did whatever it took to get fans in (hard for me to remember Bramlage, though). Feels like Gene lost the sellout streak pretty early on after taking the position and just does the bare minimum in most aspects of his position to keep getting paid.

K, I'll go get high now.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on April 03, 2021, 12:45:17 PM
You look around the B12 and you see AD's with a plan and commitment to their basketball programs/coaches.

Hell, if Tech is will to pay the next coach close to what they were paying Beard, they could make a really damn good hire and still be in a good place as well.

Then we have Gene/oscar (Maybe TCU is a somewhat similar situation??)

Every time I hear Gene talk, he seems more and more losery to me.

A couple things.
Tech isn't going to pay anything close to what they paid Beard, they will end up paying someone similar to what Otzelberger is making. Kirby sounded like such an unconfident loser who is so mad his cheerleader girlfriend left him for the star quarterback.

I do think that oscar should have been fired, I was the one saying that COVID was a bullshit excuse and seemingly very few people wanted to hear it. I'm not happy that oscar is staying and I'm not overly excited about the two transfers. The 5'7" kid is absolutely going to be a huge defensive liability. I'm already having nightmares of he and Bradford defending pick and rolls.

That being said I really don't think that Gene is any different than most other ADs in the country. You guys constantly criticize him for mailing it in or some other crap, forgetting me forced Snyder out when no one in the country expected that to happen and I doubt very few would have. Outside of Joe C. at OU, who has done anything worth turning flips over? Hell, even he, does Porter Moser really keep you up at night? Doesn't me.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: michigancat on April 03, 2021, 12:49:19 PM
I worry a little about Porter Moser locking down KC recruiting but yeah. Tech is going to hire an assistant from within or some mid major flavor of the month and hope for the best like our peer schools almost always do.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Shooter Jones on April 03, 2021, 12:57:11 PM
Hell, even he, does Porter Moser really keep you up at night? Doesn't me.

Naw, I just see a plan and a reason to stay engaged as an fan of OU.

With K-State, the product on the court appears to mean almost nothing next year. The team will be very similar to this seasons, and my fear is our only solid players will be looking elsewhere before any changes can be made, and then we're looking at another 2-3 years before we see solid improvement.

Hard to get excited about the program moving forward (I still will the weeks leading up to the start of next season, but most probably won't?)

Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: nicname on April 03, 2021, 12:57:56 PM
Keeping oscar is ridiculous.

More ridiculous now than three weeks ago?

More nauseating probably a better word

What I'm asking is has your opinion on this shifted since other programs hired coaches?

My opinion that oscar should be replaced has strengthened as other programs have made changes around us.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Shooter Jones on April 03, 2021, 01:04:27 PM
I worry a little about Porter Moser locking down KC recruiting but yeah. Tech is going to hire an assistant from within or some mid major flavor of the month and hope for the best like our peer schools almost always do.

They were willing to pay Beard close to $30 million over the next 4 years. We weren't willing to pay oscar's $2 million buyout.

While I could see them making a mid-major mistake, I could also seeing them paying Pitino or Underwood.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on April 03, 2021, 01:05:15 PM
I worry a little about Porter Moser locking down KC recruiting but yeah. Tech is going to hire an assistant from within or some mid major flavor of the month and hope for the best like our peer schools almost always do.

I think OU hired the wrong valley coach. Devries has been just as good as Mosier has since he's become a head coach and Devires has been much better at acquiring high school and transfer talent. Mosier has been very unremarkable recruiting and on the court outside of the elite 8 year.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: sys on April 03, 2021, 01:05:31 PM
i'd argue the league has gotten weaker coaching/recruitingwise, so weber should be fine.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on April 03, 2021, 01:09:36 PM
I worry a little about Porter Moser locking down KC recruiting but yeah. Tech is going to hire an assistant from within or some mid major flavor of the month and hope for the best like our peer schools almost always do.

They were willing to pay Beard close to $30 million over the next 4 years. We weren't willing to pay oscar's $2 million buyout.

While I could see them making a mid-major mistake, I could also seeing them paying Pitino or Underwood.

I promise you that they are going to hire one of the head coaches from the Texas and Oklahoma mid majors with Texas ties, or their current lead assistant, Mark Adams, or Darvin Ham.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Shooter Jones on April 03, 2021, 01:11:24 PM
Oh, I know. My money is on McCasland from North Texas.

I'm just saying, they've already proven they'll commit 10's of millions, so I could see it happening. I could never see it happening at K-State.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on April 03, 2021, 01:12:12 PM
i'd argue the league has gotten weaker coaching/recruitingwise, so weber should be fine.

I agree with this.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on April 03, 2021, 01:13:53 PM
Oh, I know. My money is on McCasland from North Texas.

I'm just saying, they've already proven they'll commit 10's of millions, so I could see it happening. I could never see it happening at K-State.

Come on man, we'd pay for the right coach, just like they did. If Bob Huggins graduated from Marshall University he'd still be the coach here.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Shooter Jones on April 03, 2021, 01:16:32 PM
Oh, I know. My money is on McCasland from North Texas.

I'm just saying, they've already proven they'll commit 10's of millions, so I could see it happening. I could never see it happening at K-State.

Come on man, we'd pay for the right coach, just like they did. If Bob Huggins graduated from Marshall University he'd still be the coach here.

We hired him for like 700k per year. I'm talking about spending the money to bring a guy in.

Of course I think we'd continue/try to continue to pay for the guy that is already winning here.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Shooter Jones on April 03, 2021, 01:47:00 PM
And I kind of feel like there’s a small chance both Venables and Underwood would be at K-State today if we’ve always had the option to commit $30-40 million to a coaching move?
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: michigancat on April 03, 2021, 01:58:20 PM
In Underwood's case it was probably poor timing rather than lack of resources. Maybe for BV to but I don't think I'd pay him $5 million a year or whatever it might have taken to get him to come here
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Shooter Jones on April 03, 2021, 02:05:23 PM
In Underwood's case it was probably poor timing rather than lack of resources. Maybe for BV to but I don't think I'd pay him $5 million a year or whatever it might have taken to get him to come here

Haha, yeah. I agree for the most part.

But if money is never the issue, oscar is fired/retired last month and a search committee would’ve already said Brad is the right guy for the job right now.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: michigancat on April 03, 2021, 02:06:42 PM
In Underwood's case it was probably poor timing rather than lack of resources. Maybe for BV to but I don't think I'd pay him $5 million a year or whatever it might have taken to get him to come here

Haha, yeah. I agree for the most part.

But if money is never the issue, oscar is fired/retired last month and a search committee would’ve already said Brad is the right guy for the job right now.
Brad would not take our job right now even for $5 million a year IMO.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Shooter Jones on April 03, 2021, 02:15:09 PM
They’re saying Tech was going to up Beard to $35 million over the next 5 years.

If we have that money to offer Brad he is here before the sun sets.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: michigancat on April 03, 2021, 03:06:42 PM
They’re saying Tech was going to up Beard to $35 million over the next 5 years.

If we have that money to offer Brad he is here before the sun sets.
If we'd already had him and he'd built a program like Beard, yeah he'd probably stay. But I don't think he'd come for that much money today and I don't think he'd be worth it either. He'd get a nice raise at Illinois out of the deal and wouldn't have to mess with a rebuild.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Shooter Jones on April 03, 2021, 03:29:58 PM
Yeah, I don’t know. There are people that claim to know him that say he’d come here in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on April 03, 2021, 04:09:26 PM
Oh, I know. My money is on McCasland from North Texas.

I'm just saying, they've already proven they'll commit 10's of millions, so I could see it happening. I could never see it happening at K-State.

Come on man, we'd pay for the right coach, just like they did. If Bob Huggins graduated from Marshall University he'd still be the coach here.

We hired him for like 700k per year. I'm talking about spending the money to bring a guy in.

Of course I think we'd continue/try to continue to pay for the guy that is already winning here.

So you're skeptical about us doing something that only Texas, Kansas, North Carolina, and Kentucky have proven they're willing to do?
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: chum1 on April 03, 2021, 04:24:42 PM
I'm still happy with oscar. Good work, Gene.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Shooter Jones on April 03, 2021, 11:40:51 PM
Oh, I know. My money is on McCasland from North Texas.

I'm just saying, they've already proven they'll commit 10's of millions, so I could see it happening. I could never see it happening at K-State.

Come on man, we'd pay for the right coach, just like they did. If Bob Huggins graduated from Marshall University he'd still be the coach here.

We hired him for like 700k per year. I'm talking about spending the money to bring a guy in.

Of course I think we'd continue/try to continue to pay for the guy that is already winning here.

So you're skeptical about us doing something that only Texas, Kansas, North Carolina, and Kentucky have proven they're willing to do?

Lol, naw. My point from the start was that if Tech has $35-40 mill already budgeted over the next 5 years, I could see them making a crazy hire. Ya know, some scorned lover type crap.

Saying they could and we never would.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: michigancat on April 04, 2021, 01:10:27 PM


Oh, I know. My money is on McCasland from North Texas.

I'm just saying, they've already proven they'll commit 10's of millions, so I could see it happening. I could never see it happening at K-State.

Come on man, we'd pay for the right coach, just like they did. If Bob Huggins graduated from Marshall University he'd still be the coach here.

We hired him for like 700k per year. I'm talking about spending the money to bring a guy in.

Of course I think we'd continue/try to continue to pay for the guy that is already winning here.

So you're skeptical about us doing something that only Texas, Kansas, North Carolina, and Kentucky have proven they're willing to do?

Lol, naw. My point from the start was that if Tech has $35-40 mill already budgeted over the next 5 years, I could see them making a crazy hire. Ya know, some scorned lover type crap.

Saying they could and we never would.

What I think you're missing is that kind of money only really works at Tech with Beard  (and even then it didn't work). Any coach worth $5 million a year+ already has a much better job.

I think it's pretty likely that if oscar made it to a title game here and was recruiting like Beard had and didn't have consecutive last place seasons we'd be in the same ballpark as Tech (but probably lower because oscar is too old to get many looks).
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Shooter Jones on April 04, 2021, 06:22:23 PM


Oh, I know. My money is on McCasland from North Texas.

I'm just saying, they've already proven they'll commit 10's of millions, so I could see it happening. I could never see it happening at K-State.

Come on man, we'd pay for the right coach, just like they did. If Bob Huggins graduated from Marshall University he'd still be the coach here.

We hired him for like 700k per year. I'm talking about spending the money to bring a guy in.

Of course I think we'd continue/try to continue to pay for the guy that is already winning here.

So you're skeptical about us doing something that only Texas, Kansas, North Carolina, and Kentucky have proven they're willing to do?

Lol, naw. My point from the start was that if Tech has $35-40 mill already budgeted over the next 5 years, I could see them making a crazy hire. Ya know, some scorned lover type crap.

Saying they could and we never would.

What I think you're missing is that kind of money only really works at Tech with Beard  (and even then it didn't work). Any coach worth $5 million a year+ already has a much better job.

I think it's pretty likely that if oscar made it to a title game here and was recruiting like Beard had and didn't have consecutive last place seasons we'd be in the same ballpark as Tech (but probably lower because oscar is too old to get many looks).

I'm literally not missing anything, dude. They had $35-40 million in the budget over the next 4-5 years, and their AD does a press conference going full butthurt little brother. Saying my money is on them taking the North Texas coach, but I could see them spending a shitload of money to try to look/stay big time, isn't missing anything. And honestly, it shouldn't surprise anyone if insecure Texas Tech money/donors do something dumb.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: J on April 05, 2021, 04:51:13 AM
STEVE
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: j rake on April 07, 2021, 11:56:58 AM
gene should call these coaches, in the following order, and offer them the job:

1. john beilein - beilein is out of coaching, but you know he won't be for long. he made a mistake exiting college for the cavs and now needs a compelling reason to get back into it. k-state can appeal to him: beilein loves to rebuild programs. he's been doing it his whole career - from le moyne to canisius to richmond to west virginia to michigan. this is a perfect opportunity. beyond that, he can bring his son, patrick, aboard and groom him to be the coach-in-waiting. patrick is a rising star who will need to rehab his image after resigning from niagara for "personal reasons."

2. rick pitino - this would be bob huggins part II. pitino used iona to rehab his image, and now we've all forgotten about the bad crap he did. would he leave iona for k-state given that he probably prefers to live in NY? maybe. but here's how to sweeten it: offer for his son, richard, to come aboard and become the head-coach-in-waiting. richard has a bright future despite "failing" at minnesota. the conference has been brutally hard and he's been very unlucky between signing one trainwreck recruiting class and then having bad luck with injuries. rick would love the opportunity to coach alongside his son at a school with a legit chance to go all the way. (richard hired by new mexico already)

3. sean miller - great recruiter and program builder. would orchestrate an immediate turnaround. can go toe-to-toe with bill self when it comes to cheating for recruits. very good chance he splits from arizona. this would be a huggins-like landing spot for him - a chance to rebuild his image while other schools will take a pass due to ncaa sanctions, fbi, etc baggage.

4. kelvin sampson - he took wazzu, okla, indiana and now houston to the ncaa tourney. capable of immediate turnarounds. willing to cheat. highly likely to say no, as he's 65 and has lived in houston for a decade now extending back to his time w the rockets. but at least reach out to see if he's interested in a return to the big 12. (too good for us now, made FF)

5. porter moser - great coach and better person. has proven he can do more with less. k-state is not a catholic school however and moser values religion. he also previously turned down offers from UNLV and st john's. he will say no - but gene should make him say no.

6. kyle smith - big schools will come after him in a few years after he leads wazzu to a top-4 pac-12 finish and ncaa tourney appearance in 2022. k-state has a chance to be early before his stock surges and not have to compete with better schools willing to offer more money.

7. frank martin - i don't love this, as i think frank is an overrated coach. but as far as infusing energy into the program and having the fanbase go batshit crazy, it would be hard to argue against bringing him back. he loved k-state but hated john currie. he would be embraced and his time at south carolina is ending soon.

?s=21

Time for Mean Gene to make a move. This is Tim Weiser/Huggins all over again.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: j rake on April 07, 2021, 11:59:28 AM
three elite eights, five sweet 16s, five conference titles, three conference tourney titles, lottery picks, good recruiting despite a conference that nosedived the last 6-8 years, cheating, scandal, winning, fun, Sean Miller, the difference is experience, experience the difference.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: dal9 on April 07, 2021, 12:26:38 PM
three elite eights, five sweet 16s, five conference titles, three conference tourney titles, lottery picks, good recruiting despite a conference that nosedived the last 6-8 years, cheating, scandal, winning, fun, Sean Miller, the difference is experience, experience the difference.

i am convinced he is a terrible on-court coach.  and once the recruiting shenanigans dry up, what's left? 

anyway, rough week for the Miller bros.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: michigancat on April 07, 2021, 12:27:59 PM
every coach is worse at on-court coaching when their recruiting gets worse
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: ChiComCat on April 07, 2021, 12:28:26 PM
OU and UT are the big winners of the carousel so far, IMO.  Hoping for something interesting from Arizona here.

Would take Miller for KSU but is the NCAA done with him?
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: dal9 on April 07, 2021, 12:31:00 PM
every coach is worse at on-court coaching when their recruiting gets worse

i'm saying he was bad even with the talent...it would be REALLY ugly (=worse than your average D1 coach) without it...
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on April 07, 2021, 12:59:32 PM
OU and UT are the big winners of the carousel so far, IMO.  Hoping for something interesting from Arizona here.

Would take Miller for KSU but is the NCAA done with him?

He's probably not going to get hammered by the NCAA, I think the max he gets is a one year show cause. Their findings pretty much absolved him personally.

I don't think he's good enough to bother, he's 29-27 in conference since he got caught cheating. He'll get another job, but I doubt that his next job will be with a high major conference.

He's 2 years older than Scott Drew.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: ChiComCat on April 07, 2021, 01:01:37 PM
Well we hired Weber who was probably much worse in the same timespan at Illinois. 
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: dal9 on April 07, 2021, 01:03:27 PM
Well we hired Weber who was probably much worse in the same timespan at Illinois.

of course weber was squeaky clean and also looked like less of a mongoloid
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Brock Landers on April 07, 2021, 01:42:22 PM
I can't get over him sweating his ass off to the point where his shirt was see through.  That was gross, do not want.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on April 07, 2021, 01:53:01 PM
I can't get over him sweating his ass off to the point where his shirt was see through.  That was gross, do not want.

Yes. The only thing desirable about him is that he lost one of the best tournament games o.a.t. to EMAW. Even though he's made two elite 8s he's kind of a bum. The list of coaches with 2 of those aren't elite, guys like Ernie Kent, Jim O'Brien, Bill Guthridge (rip), and Mike Montgomery.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: michigancat on April 07, 2021, 02:18:56 PM


I can't get over him sweating his ass off to the point where his shirt was see through.  That was gross, do not want.

Yes. The only thing desirable about him is that he lost one of the best tournament games o.a.t. to EMAW.

That was Chris Mack!
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: dal9 on April 07, 2021, 02:22:36 PM
I can't get over him sweating his ass off to the point where his shirt was see through.  That was gross, do not want.

Yes. The only thing desirable about him is that he lost one of the best tournament games o.a.t. to EMAW. Even though he's made two elite 8s he's kind of a bum. The list of coaches with 2 of those aren't elite, guys like Ernie Kent, Jim O'Brien, Bill Guthridge (rip), and Mike Montgomery.

i didnt even remember jim obrien coached in college...thought he was only nba
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on April 07, 2021, 02:23:45 PM


I can't get over him sweating his ass off to the point where his shirt was see through.  That was gross, do not want.

Yes. The only thing desirable about him is that he lost one of the best tournament games o.a.t. to EMAW.

That was Chris Mack!

Damn, that's right
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on April 07, 2021, 02:24:35 PM
I can't get over him sweating his ass off to the point where his shirt was see through.  That was gross, do not want.

Yes. The only thing desirable about him is that he lost one of the best tournament games o.a.t. to EMAW. Even though he's made two elite 8s he's kind of a bum. The list of coaches with 2 of those aren't elite, guys like Ernie Kent, Jim O'Brien, Bill Guthridge (rip), and Mike Montgomery.

i didnt even remember jim obrien coached in college...thought he was only nba

Boston College and Ohio State. I don't remember him in the NBA. Did he coach the celtics?
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: michigancat on April 07, 2021, 02:25:47 PM
Also, five conference titles is pretty damn impressive, number of Elite Eights isn't a good measure for evaluating the performance of a coach
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: michigancat on April 07, 2021, 02:28:42 PM
I can't get over him sweating his ass off to the point where his shirt was see through.  That was gross, do not want.

Yes. The only thing desirable about him is that he lost one of the best tournament games o.a.t. to EMAW. Even though he's made two elite 8s he's kind of a bum. The list of coaches with 2 of those aren't elite, guys like Ernie Kent, Jim O'Brien, Bill Guthridge (rip), and Mike Montgomery.

i didnt even remember jim obrien coached in college...thought he was only nba

Boston College and Ohio State. I don't remember him in the NBA. Did he coach the celtics?
Different Jim O'Brien but there was a guy with that name who coached the Celtics

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_O%27Brien
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on April 07, 2021, 04:05:50 PM
I can't get over him sweating his ass off to the point where his shirt was see through.  That was gross, do not want.

Yes. The only thing desirable about him is that he lost one of the best tournament games o.a.t. to EMAW. Even though he's made two elite 8s he's kind of a bum. The list of coaches with 2 of those aren't elite, guys like Ernie Kent, Jim O'Brien, Bill Guthridge (rip), and Mike Montgomery.

i didnt even remember jim obrien coached in college...thought he was only nba

Boston College and Ohio State. I don't remember him in the NBA. Did he coach the celtics?
Different Jim O'Brien but there was a guy with that name who coached the Celtics

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_O%27Brien

3 different ones! all spelled the same, all born within 22 months of each other, all in basketball. Anyway the one who coached for Ohio State may as well be Sean Miller, and they're both mediocre.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: j rake on April 07, 2021, 09:25:04 PM
miller's ceiling is higher than anything k-state basketball has ever had. in year four of a dramatic rebuild, he had zona as the 14th best team in KenPom. then 2nd best (33-5 overall). then 3rd best (34-4 overall). then zona fell off for a couple years—to 19th and 18th. yes, crap hit the fan in recent years, but it was far from a nosedive even despite all the NCAA stuff. they were 19th last year and 29th this year.

miller put 13 guys in the NBA in a decade, including three players in the '20 draft. five of his former players went top 10, including deandre ayton 1st overall in '18. almost all of them left early. part of the reason he hasn't been able to sustain top-10 level success every year is because he recruits guys who are too good to stay three or four years!

what a nice problem to have.

when weber's players leave early, it's almost always to transfer to another school!
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Cire on April 07, 2021, 09:26:18 PM
miller's ceiling is higher than anything k-state basketball has ever had. in year four of a dramatic rebuild, he had zona as the 14th best team in KenPom. then 2nd best (33-5 overall). then 3rd best (34-4 overall). then zona fell off for a couple years—to 19th and 18th. yes, crap hit the fan in recent years, but it was far from a nosedive even despite all the NCAA stuff. they were 19th last year and 29th this year.

miller put 13 guys in the NBA in a decade, including three players in the '20 draft. five of his former players went top 10, including deandre ayton 1st overall in '18. almost all of them left early. part of the reason he hasn't been able to sustain top-10 level success every year is because he recruits guys who are too good to stay three or four years!

what a nice problem to have.

when weber's players leave early, it's almost always to transfer to another school!
THIS IS OUR HUGGY!


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Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: j rake on April 07, 2021, 09:28:15 PM
THIS IS OUR HUGGY!

yessir. highly regarded coach who is available almost entirely due to character issues who will win big wherever he goes.

it's not even a hard decision. and compared to self, he's practically a choir boy.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Trim on April 07, 2021, 09:50:24 PM
Can he go get some GRCOAT pieces committed to him before we give him the gig?
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: pissclams on April 07, 2021, 09:57:41 PM
if he can sign herb pope, i’m a miller fan4lyfe
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: Trim on April 07, 2021, 10:01:05 PM
Hell yeah, eff dokish.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on April 07, 2021, 10:45:13 PM
miller's ceiling is higher than anything k-state basketball has ever had. in year four of a dramatic rebuild, he had zona as the 14th best team in KenPom. then 2nd best (33-5 overall). then 3rd best (34-4 overall). then zona fell off for a couple years—to 19th and 18th. yes, crap hit the fan in recent years, but it was far from a nosedive even despite all the NCAA stuff. they were 19th last year and 29th this year.

miller put 13 guys in the NBA in a decade, including three players in the '20 draft. five of his former players went top 10, including deandre ayton 1st overall in '18. almost all of them left early. part of the reason he hasn't been able to sustain top-10 level success every year is because he recruits guys who are too good to stay three or four years!

what a nice problem to have.

when weber's players leave early, it's almost always to transfer to another school!

Should I be more impressed with his 8-10 conference record in '19 when he had no nba draft picks on the roster, or more impressed with the whopping 2 game improvement in '20 when he signed a top 5 class and had 3 draft picks?
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: dal9 on April 07, 2021, 11:25:51 PM
is it really fair to call it "putting players in the nba" when u are just bribing 5-stars to come play for u, and not developing them in any noticeable way?
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: michigancat on April 07, 2021, 11:36:46 PM
is it really fair to call it "putting players in the nba" when u are just bribing 5-stars to come play for u, and not developing them in any noticeable way?
Yes
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on April 08, 2021, 02:40:13 AM
is it really fair to call it "putting players in the nba" when u are just bribing 5-stars to come play for u, and not developing them in any noticeable way?

No.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: chum1 on April 08, 2021, 06:43:19 AM
Signing Herb Pope is an impossible dream for any coach.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: EMAWzifried on April 08, 2021, 09:06:12 PM
After less than a week on the job, Moser signed a point guard from Shawnee Mission NW who Oscar has been chasing a year.

Take the coffee pot out of Oscar's office.


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Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: wetwillie on April 08, 2021, 09:22:51 PM
We don’t have an open scholarship dumbass
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on April 08, 2021, 09:39:40 PM
We actually do have one more, but they won't use that on a point guard, they are looking for a stretch 4.

The staff has been off of Mason, especially after landing Nowell. 'zifried, buddy, the guy's only offers were UMKC and Abilene Christian, you gotta be more selective with the meltdowns.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: wetwillie on April 08, 2021, 10:03:17 PM
We actually do have one more, but they won't use that on a point guard, they are looking for a stretch 4.

The staff has been off of Mason, especially after landing Nowell. 'zifried, buddy, the guy's only offers were UMKC and Abilene Christian, you gotta be more selective with the meltdowns.

Massoud is ours, that is the open scholly technically.  Definitely weren’t going to take a 4 and a HS pg.  They would find a scholly for Cardet, but lol at that.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: EMAWzifried on April 09, 2021, 01:01:06 AM
We actually do have one more, but they won't use that on a point guard, they are looking for a stretch 4.

The staff has been off of Mason, especially after landing Nowell. 'zifried, buddy, the guy's only offers were UMKC and Abilene Christian, you gotta be more selective with the meltdowns.

Massoud is ours, that is the open scholly technically.  Definitely weren’t going to take a 4 and a HS pg.  They would find a scholly for Cardet, but lol at that.

You can always find a scholarship, buttlick. Oscar did pursue Mason. I am sure we will regret his going to OU. Just another JoCo kid playing in tourney while Oscar continues to fail with his desperate recruitsm crap for brains.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 09, 2021, 08:13:01 AM
Idiot
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 09, 2021, 08:18:15 AM
On paper, oscar is the best recruiting HC we've had since huggy bear cheated back in the day. His development is the issue. Anyone who faults his recruiting are giant dumb dumbs.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: kstate4life on April 09, 2021, 11:32:42 AM
On paper, oscar is the best recruiting HC we've had since huggy bear cheated back in the day. His development is the issue. Anyone who faults his recruiting are giant dumb dumbs.

It's one in the same to me.  If you can't recruit players you can develop then you suck at recruiting and player development.   Just because he gets "4 stars" doesn't mean he is good at recruiting.  It involves getting the right players for the system, etc. 
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 09, 2021, 12:55:23 PM
Fair. He's just landed a lot of talent that we're marquee guys in the recruiting rankings. That's all I'm defending him for.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: EMAWzifried on April 09, 2021, 01:04:59 PM
On paper, oscar is the best recruiting HC we've had since huggy bear cheated back in the day. His development is the issue. Anyone who faults his recruiting are giant dumb dumbs.
kn
I know. We are still recovering from the sanctions imposed on us from Huggins' massive violations.
JFC, what a moron. He cheated so much, O.J.Mayo led us to a Final Four.

It's fools like this who keep us confortably small time.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 09, 2021, 01:07:20 PM
On paper, oscar is the best recruiting HC we've had since huggy bear cheated back in the day. His development is the issue. Anyone who faults his recruiting are giant dumb dumbs.
kn
I know. We are still recovering from the sanctions imposed on us from Huggins' massive violations.
JFC, what a moron. He cheated so much, O.J.Mayo led us to a Final Four.

It's fools like this who keep us confortably small time.
IF ONLY WE HAD MORE JUSTIN WILLIAMS ON THIS TEAM!
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: MakeItRain on April 09, 2021, 01:16:25 PM
Zif and wacky are definitely both wilding out, like extreme polar opposites.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: EMAWzifried on April 09, 2021, 01:22:22 PM
On paper, oscar is the best recruiting HC we've had since huggy bear cheated back in the day. His development is the issue. Anyone who faults his recruiting are giant dumb dumbs.
kn
I know. We are still recovering from the sanctions imposed on us from Huggins' massive violations.
JFC, what a moron. He cheated so much, O.J.Mayo led us to a Final Four.

It's fools like this who keep us confortably small time.
IF ONLY WE HAD MORE JUSTIN WILLIAMS ON THIS TEAM!


If he had been an Oscar recruit -- and he was more productive as a senior than any juco recruit that loser has brought to Manshattan -- you in your small-time mindset would worship him. You should really consider following D2 basketball. That's your comfort level.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 09, 2021, 01:24:32 PM
 :lol:

Take a nap, Grandpa!
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: EMAWzifried on April 09, 2021, 01:42:31 PM
:lol:

Take a nap, Grandpa!

Wrap yourself up in your Oscar security blanket and celebrate the small-time, assured K-State will never face the NCAA's wrath like we did with the cheating Huggins. (oh my, oh my, I clutch my pearls just thinking about the untoward things that were going on during those evil days.)

Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 09, 2021, 01:45:08 PM
ENRAGED! :love:
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: EMAWzifried on April 09, 2021, 02:16:57 PM
ENRAGED! :love:
You timid little fool. How do you spend your frightful days? Reading Consumer Reports articles on comparative airbag safety.


You're really too dull a blade for my sword, except you are reflective of too many K-State fans willing to accept failure and justify it by lying aout the past.
Title: Re: Happy "retirement" oscar, now let's find your replacement
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 09, 2021, 02:21:37 PM
ok