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Tell me how you feel about the future under Klieman? We're going into his 3rd season.
I just had a conversation about how going into year 3 w/ Ron, it felt like everyone knew he was going to fail. Just a lot of negativity. He started 12-9, then lost 4 in a row to miss a bowl by a game in year 2, but it felt bad. The second half of year 3 was a crap show and ended him. Also, Klieman got embarrassed the last half of this season, and they have been open about how there are/were lockerroom issues, etc., but it seems people are way more positive on him.
Obviously Kli is a much more likable personality, so that helps. Is it all around Skylar? (thinking it's a different 2020 season if he stays healthy? etc...)
But anyway, what is your outlook for the future under Coach Klieman? What kind of improvement do you need to see this year?
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Fair to fiddlin
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Disappointing end this last season, but yea I think it would have been better if Thompson would have been healthy. I'm not leaning one way or the other with Klieman.
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development and on field coaching is good enough to get us to 6-6 in most normal years.
but the recruiting misses have me pretty certain at this point we won't be in the 9 to 11 regular season win range any time in the next five years.
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I think we Skylar 3:16 our way to 9+ wins in 2021.
Bold prediction: Klieman will have us in the Dr. P by the time Rubley graduates.
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but the recruiting misses
It's not basketball, there isn't a program in the country who lands all of their targets, not even Alabama.
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It would be good to land some of them though!
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Dr Pepper or bust! :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu:
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but the recruiting misses
It's not basketball, there isn't a program in the country who lands all of their targets, not even Alabama.
I generally agree with this but losing on Crawford is unbelievably bad. All the indicators were a slam dunk for KSU. Dudes uncle is the teams doctor and his cousins play on the football and basketball team. Not sure what happened but this staff mumped up something in his recruitment bad.
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but the recruiting misses
It's not basketball, there isn't a program in the country who lands all of their targets, not even Alabama.
I generally agree with this but losing on Crawford is unbelievably bad. All the indicators were a slam dunk for KSU. Dudes uncle is the teams doctor and his cousins play on the football and basketball team. Not sure what happened but this staff mumped up something in his recruitment bad.
First of all, cats suck. I'm sorry, but they suck. If you disagree, well, then you're probably a cat cuck.
Secondly, maybe the young man just wanted to blaze his own path as opposed to doing what was expected. Maybe he doesn't like his uncle and/or cousins. RESPECT HIS DECISION.
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but the recruiting misses
It's not basketball, there isn't a program in the country who lands all of their targets, not even Alabama.
I generally agree with this but losing on Crawford is unbelievably bad. All the indicators were a slam dunk for KSU. Dudes uncle is the teams doctor and his cousins play on the football and basketball team. Not sure what happened but this staff mumped up something in his recruitment bad.
First of all, cats suck. I'm sorry, but they suck. If you disagree, well, then you're probably a cat cuck.
Secondly, maybe the young man just wanted to blaze his own path as opposed to doing what was expected. Maybe he doesn't like his uncle and/or cousins. RESPECT HIS DECISION.
This is the hypothermia talking
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but the recruiting misses
It's not basketball, there isn't a program in the country who lands all of their targets, not even Alabama.
I generally agree with this but losing on Crawford is unbelievably bad. All the indicators were a slam dunk for KSU. Dudes uncle is the teams doctor and his cousins play on the football and basketball team. Not sure what happened but this staff mumped up something in his recruitment bad.
How can we be mad about losing him if we don't know anything about why he isn't coming here?
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but the recruiting misses
It's not basketball, there isn't a program in the country who lands all of their targets, not even Alabama.
I generally agree with this but losing on Crawford is unbelievably bad. All the indicators were a slam dunk for KSU. Dudes uncle is the teams doctor and his cousins play on the football and basketball team. Not sure what happened but this staff mumped up something in his recruitment bad.
How can we be mad about losing him if we don't know anything about why he isn't coming here?
I don't have a kso subscription anymore so I don't know much about this kid or the basis of their freak out but why aren't we just taking this dude at his word?
https://n.rivals.com/news/hawkeyes-land-de-caden-crawford
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Iowa is a better school.
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Iowa is a better school.
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They had more alumni in the Super Bowl than any other school, I believe they had the first or second most in the playoffs, like 8 dudes. They have better recruits, more money, a bigger stadium, essentially better everything. They are probably the second best program in the Big 10. They're much more Texas than K-State.
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but the recruiting misses
It's not basketball, there isn't a program in the country who lands all of their targets, not even Alabama.
I generally agree with this but losing on Crawford is unbelievably bad. All the indicators were a slam dunk for KSU. Dudes uncle is the teams doctor and his cousins play on the football and basketball team. Not sure what happened but this staff mumped up something in his recruitment bad.
How can we be mad about losing him if we don't know anything about why he isn't coming here?
I don't have a kso subscription anymore so I don't know much about this kid or the basis of their freak out but why aren't we just taking this dude at his word?
https://n.rivals.com/news/hawkeyes-land-de-caden-crawford
The consensus is that someone needs to be fired for this
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Also second best program in the big 10? Let's not get too carried away here
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development and on field coaching is good enough to get us to 6-6 in most normal years.
but the recruiting misses have me pretty certain at this point we won't be in the 9 to 11 regular season win range any time in the next five years.
I'm with you here. One of my biggest concerns w/ bringing in Klieman was his ability to put together a solid staff that is both solid in the X's and O's and bringing in the Jimmy's and Joe's.
As much as it's discussed that Klieman is respected nationally, I feel like his staff is way below average and has their recruiting trended up from Bill's? Asking that question says a lot, because I don't think that staff even tried.
Whether he can't improve his staff because people don't want to work under him, or he simply chooses not to make any changes, may be his downfall. Still too early jump to either conclusion, though.
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Also second best program in the big 10? Let's not get too carried away here
Yeah, that claim was out there.
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also I'm giving a covid pass for recruiting. I know everyone is dealing with it but CK's recruiting was looking pretty good when covid hit.
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but the recruiting misses
It's not basketball, there isn't a program in the country who lands all of their targets, not even Alabama.
I generally agree with this but losing on Crawford is unbelievably bad. All the indicators were a slam dunk for KSU. Dudes uncle is the teams doctor and his cousins play on the football and basketball team. Not sure what happened but this staff mumped up something in his recruitment bad.
How can we be mad about losing him if we don't know anything about why he isn't coming here?
I don't have a kso subscription anymore so I don't know much about this kid or the basis of their freak out but why aren't we just taking this dude at his word?
https://n.rivals.com/news/hawkeyes-land-de-caden-crawford
The consensus is that someone needs to be fired for this
That's stupid
Also second best program in the big 10? Let's not get too carried away here
Yeah, that claim was out there.
Not historically, but right now. If they aren't then who is? It sure in the hell isn't Michigan or Michigan State. Iowa has definitely passed Wisconsin and Penn State, again currently not historically. I know it's hard to fathom but there isn't another program that is recruiting as good as they are, producing more NFL talent, and winning as much as they have been the last decade or so. If y'all have data that proves me wrong, then do so, otherwise you're just saying "Iowa? Nah, can't be Iowa," without a damn thing to back that up.
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No question Iowa is rolling right now on the recruiting trail.
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People are pissed about Crawford because Iowa has been slapping us on the recruiting trail for the last few years, and then they come into KS, offer a kid that has multiple connections to our team, that we've been prioritizing very heavily for a long time, and he commits to Iowa without even taking a visit to Iowa City. If we were ever going to get a recruit to choose us over Iowa*, Crawford (who is really good btw) fit that mold to a T.
If CK/K-State is going to take that "next step," winning guys like Crawford seems imperative.
All that said, the staff has done a decent job recovering after misses in the past (particularly with OL), and December is still a long ways off, so plenty of time to find a good DE.
And Iowa isn't the Big Ten's second best program right now gmab. I would put Michigan, Penn State, and Wisconsin all above them.
*I will say Rubley had an offer from Iowa
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FWIW, I like CK and think he can be very successful here, but it's going to be hard to get to the next level unless K-State steps it up a notch on the recruiting trail. Matt Campbell has excelled while getting mid-50s type classes, but that route is awful hard/rare.
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Crawford situation is weird, I think he snowed a lot of people on his lean to KSU.
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Northwestern has won Iowa's division twice since the last time Iowa won it.
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People are pissed about Crawford because Iowa has been slapping us on the recruiting trail for the last few years, and then they come into KS, offer a kid that has multiple connections to our team, that we've been prioritizing very heavily for a long time, and he commits to Iowa without even taking a visit to Iowa City. If we were ever going to get a recruit to choose us over Iowa*, Crawford (who is really good btw) fit that mold to a T.
If CK/K-State is going to take that "next step," winning guys like Crawford seems imperative.
All that said, the staff has done a decent job recovering after misses in the past (particularly with OL), and December is still a long ways off, so plenty of time to find a good DE.
And Iowa isn't the Big Ten's second best program right now gmab. I would put Michigan, Penn State, and Wisconsin all above them.
*I will say Rubley had an offer from Iowa
Brents was kind of a win over Iowa
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People are pissed about Crawford because Iowa has been slapping us on the recruiting trail for the last few years, and then they come into KS, offer a kid that has multiple connections to our team, that we've been prioritizing very heavily for a long time, and he commits to Iowa without even taking a visit to Iowa City. If we were ever going to get a recruit to choose us over Iowa*, Crawford (who is really good btw) fit that mold to a T.
If CK/K-State is going to take that "next step," winning guys like Crawford seems imperative.
All that said, the staff has done a decent job recovering after misses in the past (particularly with OL), and December is still a long ways off, so plenty of time to find a good DE.
And Iowa isn't the Big Ten's second best program right now gmab. I would put Michigan, Penn State, and Wisconsin all above them.
*I will say Rubley had an offer from Iowa
Brents was kind of a win over Iowa
True, but a little different than "recruits" per se.
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FWIW, I like CK and think he can be very successful here, but it's going to be hard to get to the next level unless K-State steps it up a notch on the recruiting trail. Matt Campbell has excelled while getting mid-50s type classes, but that route is awful hard/rare.
I think you can be successful with recruiting classes around 50-60, as long as you are getting playmakers at the skilled positions that are most likely higher end recruits.
I'd say Breece Hall alone is worth multiple wins for ISU the last few years. Purdy has been solid as well.
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FWIW, I like CK and think he can be very successful here, but it's going to be hard to get to the next level unless K-State steps it up a notch on the recruiting trail. Matt Campbell has excelled while getting mid-50s type classes, but that route is awful hard/rare.
I think you can be successful with recruiting classes around 50-60, as long as you are getting playmakers at the skilled positions that are most likely higher end recruits.
I'd say Breece Hall alone is worth multiple wins for ISU the last few years. Purdy has been solid as well.
Like I said, not impossible, but pretty rare. If you're consistently playing with a sizable talent gap (on paper), it's hard to consistently win. I don't think it's controversial to say that it's easier to win if you elevate recruiting.
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I know, and you're absolutely right.
I just don't see K-State being a top tier program in the B12 with this staff as is. Obviously that could change, but my long term expectations have dropped a bit over the last year.
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I can see them being peers (on-field results wise) with everyone but OU and Texas. But obviously would like to see recruiting improvement, especially when on-campus recruiting returns
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Not historically, but right now. If they aren't then who is? It sure in the hell isn't Michigan or Michigan State. Iowa has definitely passed Wisconsin and Penn State, again currently not historically. I know it's hard to fathom but there isn't another program that is recruiting as good as they are, producing more NFL talent, and winning as much as they have been the last decade or so. If y'all have data that proves me wrong, then do so, otherwise you're just saying "Iowa? Nah, can't be Iowa," without a damn thing to back that up.
Wisconsin has won the West Division (formerly Leaders Division :lol:) 6 times in the last decade. Most recently in 2019. Iowa hasn't won that same division since 2016 and that was the only time in the last decade. Also, Wisconsin is 7-3 against Iowa in the last 10 meetings.
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Farming cat fan!
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Not historically, but right now. If they aren't then who is? It sure in the hell isn't Michigan or Michigan State. Iowa has definitely passed Wisconsin and Penn State, again currently not historically. I know it's hard to fathom but there isn't another program that is recruiting as good as they are, producing more NFL talent, and winning as much as they have been the last decade or so. If y'all have data that proves me wrong, then do so, otherwise you're just saying "Iowa? Nah, can't be Iowa," without a damn thing to back that up.
Wisconsin has won the West Division (formerly Leaders Division :lol:) 6 times in the last decade. Most recently in 2019. Iowa hasn't won that same division since 2016 and that was the only time in the last decade. Also, Wisconsin is 7-3 against Iowa in the last 10 meetings.
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what an amazing first post from f_cf :love:
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Northwestern dominated that division last season and any division bragging rights run through hilarious Ryan Field now.
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The idea that Iowa is the 2nd best program in the big 10 is literally a laugh out loud type of statement.
To the question at hand, it's really hard to judge off of last year because we had so many injuries and guys out. If Skylar had stayed healthy, we certainly would have beaten Baylor and OSU. You'll be hard pressed to convince me otherwise with the crazy number of turnovers our backup QB had. We also would have won at least 2 OOC games had covid not done its thing. So, those two events right there take us to a 9 win season and a bowl appearance. Suddenly, things are looking pretty good for the cats.
We'll know a lot about the direction of the program after this season. If we finish with 7-8 wins, then we'll know that something will have to change if we're going to be able to grab another gear, so to speak. If we get 9 or 10 total wins, then I think you step back and let Klieman do his thing.
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I'd be thrilled if we won 8 games next year fwiw.
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Not historically, but right now. If they aren't then who is? It sure in the hell isn't Michigan or Michigan State. Iowa has definitely passed Wisconsin and Penn State, again currently not historically. I know it's hard to fathom but there isn't another program that is recruiting as good as they are, producing more NFL talent, and winning as much as they have been the last decade or so. If y'all have data that proves me wrong, then do so, otherwise you're just saying "Iowa? Nah, can't be Iowa," without a damn thing to back that up.
Wisconsin has won the West Division (formerly Leaders Division :lol:) 6 times in the last decade. Most recently in 2019. Iowa hasn't won that same division since 2016 and that was the only time in the last decade. Also, Wisconsin is 7-3 against Iowa in the last 10 meetings.
You know what farmer, you're right. Iowa is certainly trending up, but Wisconsin undoubtedly has the edge right now. DLew can GTFOOMF with Michigan and Penn State, of course they historically better but both are undoubtedly in shambles right now and no one would be surprised if they both had new coaches this time next year. Has Michigan ever even won their division?
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Not historically, but right now. If they aren't then who is? It sure in the hell isn't Michigan or Michigan State. Iowa has definitely passed Wisconsin and Penn State, again currently not historically. I know it's hard to fathom but there isn't another program that is recruiting as good as they are, producing more NFL talent, and winning as much as they have been the last decade or so. If y'all have data that proves me wrong, then do so, otherwise you're just saying "Iowa? Nah, can't be Iowa," without a damn thing to back that up.
Wisconsin has won the West Division (formerly Leaders Division :lol:) 6 times in the last decade. Most recently in 2019. Iowa hasn't won that same division since 2016 and that was the only time in the last decade. Also, Wisconsin is 7-3 against Iowa in the last 10 meetings.
You know what farmer, you're right. Iowa is certainly trending up, but Wisconsin undoubtedly has the edge right now. DLew can GTFOOMF with Michigan and Penn State, of course they historically better but both are undoubtedly in shambles right now and no one would be surprised if they both had new coaches this time next year. Has Michigan ever even won their division?
I mean James Franklin has two more 11-win seasons in 7 than Ferentz has in 22. But even then, I think Iowa will almost always be a level below Penn State and Michigan in the eyes of recruits regardless of coach.
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Not historically, but right now. If they aren't then who is? It sure in the hell isn't Michigan or Michigan State. Iowa has definitely passed Wisconsin and Penn State, again currently not historically. I know it's hard to fathom but there isn't another program that is recruiting as good as they are, producing more NFL talent, and winning as much as they have been the last decade or so. If y'all have data that proves me wrong, then do so, otherwise you're just saying "Iowa? Nah, can't be Iowa," without a damn thing to back that up.
Wisconsin has won the West Division (formerly Leaders Division :lol:) 6 times in the last decade. Most recently in 2019. Iowa hasn't won that same division since 2016 and that was the only time in the last decade. Also, Wisconsin is 7-3 against Iowa in the last 10 meetings.
You know what farmer, you're right. Iowa is certainly trending up, but Wisconsin undoubtedly has the edge right now. DLew can GTFOOMF with Michigan and Penn State, of course they historically better but both are undoubtedly in shambles right now and no one would be surprised if they both had new coaches this time next year. Has Michigan ever even won their division?
I mean James Franklin has two more 11-win seasons in 7 than Ferentz has in 22. But even then, I think Iowa will almost always be a level below Penn State and Michigan in the eyes of recruits regardless of coach.
Iowa had a higher ranked class than Penn State this year, but I'm not going to front, Iowa isn't recruiting as well as I thought they did. For some reason I thought they have had top 15 classes lately, I was wrong.
Nevertheless, the fact that they are recruiting in the mid 30's to mid 20's and producing all of the NFL talent that they are is incredibly impressive and I'm sure the recruits are impressed by it too. I'm shocked they actually signed any black dudes at all in this latest class, but the kids are buying what they are selling.
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Not historically, but right now. If they aren't then who is? It sure in the hell isn't Michigan or Michigan State. Iowa has definitely passed Wisconsin and Penn State, again currently not historically. I know it's hard to fathom but there isn't another program that is recruiting as good as they are, producing more NFL talent, and winning as much as they have been the last decade or so. If y'all have data that proves me wrong, then do so, otherwise you're just saying "Iowa? Nah, can't be Iowa," without a damn thing to back that up.
Wisconsin has won the West Division (formerly Leaders Division :lol:) 6 times in the last decade. Most recently in 2019. Iowa hasn't won that same division since 2016 and that was the only time in the last decade. Also, Wisconsin is 7-3 against Iowa in the last 10 meetings.
You know what farmer, you're right. Iowa is certainly trending up, but Wisconsin undoubtedly has the edge right now. DLew can GTFOOMF with Michigan and Penn State, of course they historically better but both are undoubtedly in shambles right now and no one would be surprised if they both had new coaches this time next year. Has Michigan ever even won their division?
I wouldn't be surprised if Iowa had a new coach this time next year either fwiw -- then again, Ferentz isn't as old as I originally thought, so who knows. Also, didn't Iowa have a pretty scandalous racial reckoning last summer? I don't remember the details at all but it seemed like not that long ago Ferentz/Iowa was in hot water PR-wise.
I also think "in shambles" is a little overboard regarding Michigan, and a lot overboard regarding Penn State. It's very possible I missed something, but other than having a disappointing covid season, what's going on at Penn State that would put them in shambles?
And I'm not saying Iowa is garbage or anything -- far from it. They're a really good program. But I still think they're in that third tier of Big 10 programs (even today), below Ohio State, who is alone, and then probably Michigan, Wisconsin, and Penn State.
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The larger point is the belief that we are constantly getting our asses kicked in recruiting is stupid, especially given we just landed the second highest profile high school recruit in high school history.
Unless there is anyone who can point to something specifically this kid has said that our staff screwed up, melting down about some three star tweener, guy has like four different positions listed, from Lansing who we actually offered and recruited , is really stupid. I get the meltdowns when we were losing kids we were barely recruiting, I did it for years. Hopefully Breece Hall is the last in state kid we can lose our crap over not landing because the staff didn't try hard enough. Those people at KSO, and frankly some here, need to understand that just because the staff really wants a kid, and we really love K-State, doesn't mean that they are going to end up here. I spent mu whole life convinced that I was going to OU, a girl is the reason I ended up at K-State and it turned out to be the second best thing that ever happened to me. If that girl wanted to go to Pitt St., I was going to Pitt St.
Acting like this or any staff are failures because they unsuccessfully tried to get a 17 year old kid to go somewhere is really clownish.
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Not historically, but right now. If they aren't then who is? It sure in the hell isn't Michigan or Michigan State. Iowa has definitely passed Wisconsin and Penn State, again currently not historically. I know it's hard to fathom but there isn't another program that is recruiting as good as they are, producing more NFL talent, and winning as much as they have been the last decade or so. If y'all have data that proves me wrong, then do so, otherwise you're just saying "Iowa? Nah, can't be Iowa," without a damn thing to back that up.
Wisconsin has won the West Division (formerly Leaders Division :lol:) 6 times in the last decade. Most recently in 2019. Iowa hasn't won that same division since 2016 and that was the only time in the last decade. Also, Wisconsin is 7-3 against Iowa in the last 10 meetings.
You know what farmer, you're right. Iowa is certainly trending up, but Wisconsin undoubtedly has the edge right now. DLew can GTFOOMF with Michigan and Penn State, of course they historically better but both are undoubtedly in shambles right now and no one would be surprised if they both had new coaches this time next year. Has Michigan ever even won their division?
I wouldn't be surprised if Iowa had a new coach this time next year either fwiw -- then again, Ferentz isn't as old as I originally thought, so who knows. Also, didn't Iowa have a pretty scandalous racial reckoning last summer? I don't remember the details at all but it seemed like not that long ago Ferentz/Iowa was in hot water PR-wise.
I also think "in shambles" is a little overboard regarding Michigan, and a lot overboard regarding Penn State. It's very possible I missed something, but other than having a disappointing covid season, what's going on at Penn State that would put them in shambles?
And I'm not saying Iowa is garbage or anything -- far from it. They're a really good program. But I still think they're in that third tier of Big 10 programs (even today), below Ohio State, who is alone, and then probably Michigan, Wisconsin, and Penn State.
Yeah Ferentz had and still has the racism cloud over the program, there is still a pending lawsuit. He always had the support of his AD and most of the fan base, and it seemingly has not effected their recruiting, at all. If Ferentz retires it will be because he comes down with some previously unknown health ailment.
Michigan is definitely in shambles. No one there likes their coach, there's all kind of mess with the athletic director. They've never won the division. I know that Ohio State has had a stranglehold on the division but Michigan State has won it or tied for it 5 times. They seem to be stuck in okay mode and have been there since the mid 90's. I won't check, but I'm willing to bet they have around the same amount of wins as Nebraska since they shared the national championship.
Penn State is only in shambles because they are lunatics and perhaps slightly racist. They are always talking about that dude's job. How do you know if you should be looking over your shoulder? If your boss has to tell your fans that she has your back.
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/psu/2021/01/26/Penn-State-athletic-director-Sandy-Barbour-firmly-backs-James-Franklin/stories/202101260165
For the record I can't stand Iowa, but I do think they have a tendency to be underrated, and as a fan of a school that is perpetually underrated I am a bit sensitive about that.
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8 wins would be incredible
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The larger point is the belief that we are constantly getting our asses kicked in recruiting is stupid, especially given we just landed the second highest profile high school recruit in high school history.
Unless there is anyone who can point to something specifically this kid has said that our staff screwed up, melting down about some three star tweener, guy has like four different positions listed, from Lansing who we actually offered and recruited , is really stupid. I get the meltdowns when we were losing kids we were barely recruiting, I did it for years. Hopefully Breece Hall is the last in state kid we can lose our crap over not landing because the staff didn't try hard enough. Those people at KSO, and frankly some here, need to understand that just because the staff really wants a kid, and we really love K-State, doesn't mean that they are going to end up here. I spent mu whole life convinced that I was going to OU, a girl is the reason I ended up at K-State and it turned out to be the second best thing that ever happened to me. If that girl wanted to go to Pitt St., I was going to Pitt St.
Acting like this or any staff are failures because they unsuccessfully tried to get a 17 year old kid to go somewhere is really clownish.
They are doing a phenomenal job finding lightly recruited talent that goes under the radar and getting fantastic production out of them early.
(Vaughn, Portier, Duke are already proven. Warner, Mozee , Aniduke have been mentioned as likely to impress this year) also Devrin Weathers appears to be a really solid pickup for 2021
Outside of Rubley they have gotten their ballsacks tazed off for virtually all their top targets.
2020 Turner Corcoran, Hayden Pauls, Ky Thomas, Daniel Jackson , Sayvion Williams, Ersery, Alex Conn, Jacob Gamble , Yahya Black , Lanell Carr, Korie Black
2021 Devin Neal, Jaylin Noel, Brody Brecht, Thomas Fidone, Beau Stephens, Tyler Maro, Arden Walker , Seth Malcom , Myles Purchase, Matthew Langlois, Beau Freyler
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The larger point is the belief that we are constantly getting our asses kicked in recruiting is stupid, especially given we just landed the second highest profile high school recruit in high school history.
Unless there is anyone who can point to something specifically this kid has said that our staff screwed up, melting down about some three star tweener, guy has like four different positions listed, from Lansing who we actually offered and recruited , is really stupid. I get the meltdowns when we were losing kids we were barely recruiting, I did it for years. Hopefully Breece Hall is the last in state kid we can lose our crap over not landing because the staff didn't try hard enough. Those people at KSO, and frankly some here, need to understand that just because the staff really wants a kid, and we really love K-State, doesn't mean that they are going to end up here. I spent mu whole life convinced that I was going to OU, a girl is the reason I ended up at K-State and it turned out to be the second best thing that ever happened to me. If that girl wanted to go to Pitt St., I was going to Pitt St.
Acting like this or any staff are failures because they unsuccessfully tried to get a 17 year old kid to go somewhere is really clownish.
They are doing a phenomenal job finding lightly recruited talent that goes under the radar and getting fantastic production out of them early.
(Vaughn, Portier, Duke are already proven. Warner, Mozee , Aniduke have been mentioned as likely to impress this year) also Devrin Weathers appears to be a really solid pickup for 2021
Outside of Rubley they have gotten their ballsacks tazed off for virtually all their top targets.
2020 Turner Corcoran, Hayden Pauls, Ky Thomas, Daniel Jackson , Sayvion Williams, Ersery, Alex Conn, Jacob Gamble , Yahya Black , Lanell Carr, Korie Black
2021 Devin Neal, Jaylin Noel, Brody Brecht, Thomas Fidone, Beau Stephens, Tyler Maro, Arden Walker , Seth Malcom , Myles Purchase, Matthew Langlois, Beau Freyler
Personally, I've felt he's going to have to establish himself for a few years before the in-state guys become expected commits. He had an excellent first year, but it'd still be difficult for me to get excited about a guy from North Dakota after a year.
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The larger point is the belief that we are constantly getting our asses kicked in recruiting is stupid, especially given we just landed the second highest profile high school recruit in high school history.
Unless there is anyone who can point to something specifically this kid has said that our staff screwed up, melting down about some three star tweener, guy has like four different positions listed, from Lansing who we actually offered and recruited , is really stupid. I get the meltdowns when we were losing kids we were barely recruiting, I did it for years. Hopefully Breece Hall is the last in state kid we can lose our crap over not landing because the staff didn't try hard enough. Those people at KSO, and frankly some here, need to understand that just because the staff really wants a kid, and we really love K-State, doesn't mean that they are going to end up here. I spent mu whole life convinced that I was going to OU, a girl is the reason I ended up at K-State and it turned out to be the second best thing that ever happened to me. If that girl wanted to go to Pitt St., I was going to Pitt St.
Acting like this or any staff are failures because they unsuccessfully tried to get a 17 year old kid to go somewhere is really clownish.
They are doing a phenomenal job finding lightly recruited talent that goes under the radar and getting fantastic production out of them early.
(Vaughn, Portier, Duke are already proven. Warner, Mozee , Aniduke have been mentioned as likely to impress this year) also Devrin Weathers appears to be a really solid pickup for 2021
Outside of Rubley they have gotten their ballsacks tazed off for virtually all their top targets.
2020 Turner Corcoran, Hayden Pauls, Ky Thomas, Daniel Jackson , Sayvion Williams, Ersery, Alex Conn, Jacob Gamble , Yahya Black , Lanell Carr, Korie Black
2021 Devin Neal, Jaylin Noel, Brody Brecht, Thomas Fidone, Beau Stephens, Tyler Maro, Arden Walker , Seth Malcom , Myles Purchase, Matthew Langlois, Beau Freyler
I honestly don't know but is missing out on let's say 10 of your initial top 20 targets yearly unusual for most schools outside of the top 15 or 20 classes?
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Known dumbass, MIR, tells a different story not so long ago. Now Iowa is #2 in the big 10.
I'm not gonna make too many excuses for our recruiting but Iowa carries more cache than kstate dudes.
No it doesn't. If it does, it shouldn't. How many coaches in this country are scared of being out recruited by Iowa? lol, Iowa.
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Iowa was Big 10 co-champs 17 years ago, so that carries a lot of weight in 2021 recruiting cycles.
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They are absolutely whipping ass on the recruiting trail. Them are facts.
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The larger point is the belief that we are constantly getting our asses kicked in recruiting is stupid, especially given we just landed the second highest profile high school recruit in high school history.
Unless there is anyone who can point to something specifically this kid has said that our staff screwed up, melting down about some three star tweener, guy has like four different positions listed, from Lansing who we actually offered and recruited , is really stupid. I get the meltdowns when we were losing kids we were barely recruiting, I did it for years. Hopefully Breece Hall is the last in state kid we can lose our crap over not landing because the staff didn't try hard enough. Those people at KSO, and frankly some here, need to understand that just because the staff really wants a kid, and we really love K-State, doesn't mean that they are going to end up here. I spent mu whole life convinced that I was going to OU, a girl is the reason I ended up at K-State and it turned out to be the second best thing that ever happened to me. If that girl wanted to go to Pitt St., I was going to Pitt St.
Acting like this or any staff are failures because they unsuccessfully tried to get a 17 year old kid to go somewhere is really clownish.
I don't think they're failures. I just don't think they're very good recruiters. I don't think they're doing a good enough job recruiting if we want to be in the consistent 7-10 win range. When you're losing the vast majority of head-to-heads against other regional power-5 programs (i.e. Iowa State, Colorado, Iowa, Nebraska, Oklahoma State) it's going to be awfully hard -- though not impossible.
Maybe if they keep developing their assess off and keep proving their coaching chops, their pitches will carry more cache, but eventually it becomes a chicken or the egg thing.
FWIW, I was looking at this the other day, but in Prince's final recruiting class, he pulled in 4 four star recruits. How many years will CK be K-State's coach before he gets his fourth 4 star?
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Who were the 4 star recruits in his last class?
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Who were the 4 star recruits in his last class?
Daniel Thomas
Daniel Calvin
Ulla Pomele
Aubrey Quarles
He also had 3 4 stars the year before:
Lamark
Gary Chandler
Smoke Patterson
2 before that
Freemaw
James Johnson
Multiple 4 stars in every class. Obviously they had varying degrees of success, but still, almost all of them (Quarles and Pomele notwithstanding) were relatively high-profile regional recruits.
Prince's classes (including the 4 stars) were very juco heavy, and included plenty of misses, so not all rainbows and sunshine. But the point remains that elite regional talent has been willing to come to K-State outside of DOD years.
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4 Star Juco players from that Era are not equal to HS 4 star players of today IMO. I’m not even sure they give 4 stars to juco players anymore. Not to say Prince couldn’t recruit I just think it’s apples to oranges.
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CK and prince have lots of similarities
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CK and prince have lots of similarities
lol. Nah. One lost a Senior QB due to a season ending injury during a pandemic, with pandemic issues affecting the roster on game day and the other underachieved with an overrated QB, losing to KU, MU, and Nebraska every year of his tenure. Stay mad tho.
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4 Star Juco players from that Era are not equal to HS 4 star players of today IMO. I’m not even sure they give 4 stars to juco players anymore. Not to say Prince couldn’t recruit I just think it’s apples to oranges.
They do give out 4 stars to juco kids. And I agree that in most situations, all else being equal, give me the 4 star high school kid. But OTOH, i'd take four star Jordan Mako in a heartbeat, nahmsayin'?
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This last season is an easy mulligan for me. I still like our coach and think he's doing a solid job. If Klieman misses a bowl game this year I am probably going to want him fired, though.
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This last season is an easy mulligan for me. I still like our coach and think he's doing a solid job. If Klieman misses a bowl game this year I am probably going to want him fired, though.
Me too re. last season. Really tough break (so to speak) with Skylar. I expect us to be pretty good this year, but us failing (/refusing?) to do more to supplement the WR/LB positions via transfer (or Juco the last two years) are eye-brow raising to me. Particularly with LBs, if they go out there and stink up the joint, that's on nobody but CK, imo. We've had plenty of time to avoid this slowly moving oncoming train that makes Cody Fletcher our best linebacker.
But if they go out there and play fine, then good on CK.
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4 Star Juco players from that Era are not equal to HS 4 star players of today IMO. I’m not even sure they give 4 stars to juco players anymore. Not to say Prince couldn’t recruit I just think it’s apples to oranges.
They do give out 4 stars to juco kids. And I agree that in most situations, all else being equal, give me the 4 star high school kid. But OTOH, i'd take four star Jordan Mako in a heartbeat, nahmsayin'?
I’ll be damned, forgot about that kid. Yea that would have been a really nice pickup.
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4 Star Juco players from that Era are not equal to HS 4 star players of today IMO. I’m not even sure they give 4 stars to juco players anymore. Not to say Prince couldn’t recruit I just think it’s apples to oranges.
They do give out 4 stars to juco kids. And I agree that in most situations, all else being equal, give me the 4 star high school kid. But OTOH, i'd take four star Jordan Mako in a heartbeat, nahmsayin'?
I’ll be damned, forgot about that kid. Yea that would have been a really nice pickup.
I would've been JUICED about that.
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I was unaware that Josh Freeman was overrated.
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I was unaware that Josh Freeman was overrated.
Well, now you're aware.
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Is this some weird "17th pick in the draft as a junior shouldn't have been a 4 star recruit" thing?
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Is this some weird "17th pick in the draft as a junior shouldn't have been a 4 star recruit" thing?
That and also the losing record, etc. thing. I'm pretty woke when it comes to Freeman on here. Too busy smoking heaters and passing out on frat pool tables the night before games. :bang:
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Anyways, Sky is wearing number 7 this year. Shits about to get real!
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First 23 games: Kli vs. Prince
Prince: 12-11
23rd game: 31-73 LOSS
Ended year 2 on 4 game losing streak (outscored 112-198, average 22pt loss pg)
Bowl record: 0-1
Kli: 12-11
23rd game: 31-69 LOSS
Ended year 2 on 5 game losing streak (outscored 90-203, average 23pt loss pg)
Bowl record: 0-1
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Now do the pandemic and losing your senior QB to injury numbers and not having an off season to work with your new Freshman QB. It's a weak take, but it's some team #BID'rs love to make, when pouting about last season.
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Now do the pandemic and losing your senior QB to injury numbers and not having an off season to work with your new Freshman QB. It's a weak take, but it's some team #BID'rs love to make, when pouting about last season.
Wait, what? I'm just pointing out results that are crazy similar.
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I'm just really glad we didn't give Ron an extension when he had a 10-7 record and had just beat #7 Texas.
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4 OOC games (should have) helped, but when you get blown out by Fresno State, hard to tell, really.
I wonder what Prince's record would have been if Freeman went down in the 2007 San Jose State game.
Prince was a horrible coach, and I'm not stumping for him at all. My only point was that it's possible for K-State to attract better talent even when we're not whipping total ass on the field like we were in the 90s and early 00s.
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I'm just really glad we didn't give Ron an extension when he had a 10-7 record and had just beat #7 Texas.
P5 schools weren’t reaching out to him, trying to get him to jump ship. Remember when Ron beat Texas and then turned around the next week and lost at KU? Lol
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I was just reading on the hilarious Prince buyout and completely forgot we extended him going into year 3.
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Yeah, Prince's buyout was written on a napkin or something.
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And supported by Bob Kraus's life insurance policy or something
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Man those were wild times
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I'm just really glad we didn't give Ron an extension when he had a 10-7 record and had just beat #7 Texas.
P5 schools weren’t reaching out to him, trying to get him to jump ship. Remember when Ron beat Texas and then turned around the next week and lost at KU? Lol
That's good to hear P5 schools were reaching out to Klieman. Do you know which ones?
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CK and prince have lots of similarities
But the Jets never has to give up on D'Brickashaw.
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I'm just really glad we didn't give Ron an extension when he had a 10-7 record and had just beat #7 Texas.
P5 schools weren’t reaching out to him, trying to get him to jump ship. Remember when Ron beat Texas and then turned around the next week and lost at KU? Lol
That's good to hear P5 schools were reaching out to Klieman. Do you know which ones?
Michigan State was a big one. Rumblings that Iowa was making plans for the next coach as well. I think we had a list somewhere on this board after his first season, of all the schools who envied us by not taking the leap to try him out after his first year.
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Who were the 4 star recruits in his last class?
Daniel Thomas
Daniel Calvin
Ulla Pomele
Aubrey Quarles
He also had 3 4 stars the year before:
Lamark
Gary Chandler
Smoke Patterson
2 before that
Freemaw
James Johnson
Multiple 4 stars in every class. Obviously they had varying degrees of success, but still, almost all of them (Quarles and Pomele notwithstanding) were relatively high-profile regional recruits.
Prince's classes (including the 4 stars) were very juco heavy, and included plenty of misses, so not all rainbows and sunshine. But the point remains that elite regional talent has been willing to come to K-State outside of DOD years.
Isn't this an argument for the importance of evaluation and development over just grabbing all of the stars you can grab?
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Who were the 4 star recruits in his last class?
Daniel Thomas
Daniel Calvin
Ulla Pomele
Aubrey Quarles
He also had 3 4 stars the year before:
Lamark
Gary Chandler
Smoke Patterson
2 before that
Freemaw
James Johnson
Multiple 4 stars in every class. Obviously they had varying degrees of success, but still, almost all of them (Quarles and Pomele notwithstanding) were relatively high-profile regional recruits.
Prince's classes (including the 4 stars) were very juco heavy, and included plenty of misses, so not all rainbows and sunshine. But the point remains that elite regional talent has been willing to come to K-State outside of DOD years.
Isn't this an argument for the importance of evaluation and development over just grabbing all of the stars you can grab?
I mean both would be good. But it’s not as if we aren’t trying to get higher rated guys. It’s just, for the most part, the higher rates guys weve been after are mushing us for Nebraska, Iowa, OSU, Mizzou etc.
and fwiw I don’t think our recruiting has been abysmal. I just expected it to be better and think it can be better.
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I think we Skylar 3:16 our way to 9+ wins in 2021.
Bold prediction: Klieman will have us in the Dr. P by the time Rubley graduates.
:gocho:
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I enjoyed re-reading the arguments itt about Michigan being in shambles. (They're 24-2 since.)
kono
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First 23 games: Kli vs. Prince
Prince: 12-11
23rd game: 31-73 LOSS
Ended year 2 on 4 game losing streak (outscored 112-198, average 22pt loss pg)
Bowl record: 0-1
Kli: 12-11
23rd game: 31-69 LOSS
Ended year 2 on 5 game losing streak (outscored 90-203, average 23pt loss pg)
Bowl record: 0-1
these updates stopped sometime last year too
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First 23 games: Kli vs. Prince
Prince: 12-11
23rd game: 31-73 LOSS
Ended year 2 on 4 game losing streak (outscored 112-198, average 22pt loss pg)
Bowl record: 0-1
Kli: 12-11
23rd game: 31-69 LOSS
Ended year 2 on 5 game losing streak (outscored 90-203, average 23pt loss pg)
Bowl record: 0-1
these updates stopped sometime last year too
These are the ones that pissed me off the most. He clearly wasn't Prince you dumbasses!! :shakesfist: :shakesfist: :curse: :bang:
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development and on field coaching is good enough to get us to 6-6 in most normal years.
but the recruiting misses have me pretty certain at this point we won't be in the 9 to 11 regular season win range any time in the next five years.
:D
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i mean he walked it back, so i'm not going to hammer him too hard, but MIR really said Iowa was the 2nd best program in the Big 10 :ROFL:
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They are doing a phenomenal job finding lightly recruited talent that goes under the radar and getting fantastic production out of them early.
(Vaughn, Portier, Duke are already proven. Warner, Mozee , Aniduke have been mentioned as likely to impress this year) also Devrin Weathers appears to be a really solid pickup for 2021
Outside of Rubley they have gotten their ballsacks tazed off for virtually all their top targets.
2020 Turner Corcoran, Hayden Pauls, Ky Thomas, Daniel Jackson , Sayvion Williams, Ersery, Alex Conn, Jacob Gamble , Yahya Black , Lanell Carr, Korie Black
2021 Devin Neal, Jaylin Noel, Brody Brecht, Thomas Fidone, Beau Stephens, Tyler Maro, Arden Walker , Seth Malcom , Myles Purchase, Matthew Langlois, Beau Freyler
wetwillie nailed Felix
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Tell me which Cat football seasons you will rank ahead of this season after the Cats win their next two games and claim the Dr Pepper + Sugar Bowl.
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Tell me which Cat football seasons you will rank ahead of this season after the Cats win their next two games and claim the Dr Pepper + Sugar Bowl.
If the cats win the next 2 they’d likely finish in the top 7(6th?)which I think would be tie for the best end of year ranking ever. For me that puts this team up there with the best for me (I didn’t become a fan until tue early 00s though)
2012 was an insane amount of fun w national title hopes late into the season. Didn’t have that this year, but this team has the potential to finish a lot stronger than that team did.
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lets not forget about the '97 cats. That team was one hot POA that just happened to have the misforunte of being in the same division with the team that won the national championship
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yeah 2012 is hard to top because we were incred the entire time. we were ranked #7 before the first game in October!
as it sits now, the 2022 cats are 0-3 against (currently) ranked teams, but agree that this year still has potential to end up with highest ranking ever if we win the last two.
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Tell me which Cat football seasons you will rank ahead of this season after the Cats win their next two games and claim the Dr Pepper + Sugar Bowl.
If the cats win the next 2 they’d likely finish in the top 7(6th?)which I think would be tie for the best end of year ranking ever. For me that puts this team up there with the best for me (I didn’t become a fan until tue early 00s though)
2012 was an insane amount of fun w national title hopes late into the season. Didn’t have that this year, but this team has the potential to finish a lot stronger than that team did.
lets not forget about the '97 cats. That team was one hot POA that just happened to have the misforunte of being in the same division with the team that won the national championship
1997 ended on a great note, 1998 was a ton of fun during the regular season but the two post-season losses take a lot of the shine off, 2012 was a lot of fun during the regular season but the way it ended was a real dud.
I'm gonna say that this will be the best season if school history if the Cats find a way to win out.
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you can never take this away from me
https://www.espn.com/college-football/rankings/_/week/12/year/2012/seasontype/2 (https://www.espn.com/college-football/rankings/_/week/12/year/2012/seasontype/2)
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2012 was more fun on a per game basis, but I don’t think there’s any argument that winning the next 2 would make this the most accomplished season in Cats history.
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First 23 games: Kli vs. Prince
Prince: 12-11
23rd game: 31-73 LOSS
Ended year 2 on 4 game losing streak (outscored 112-198, average 22pt loss pg)
Bowl record: 0-1
Kli: 12-11
23rd game: 31-69 LOSS
Ended year 2 on 5 game losing streak (outscored 90-203, average 23pt loss pg)
Bowl record: 0-1
these updates stopped sometime last year too
These are the ones that pissed me off the most. He clearly wasn't Prince you dumbasses!! :shakesfist: :shakesfist: :curse: :bang:
And boy am I glad! Those results were eerily similar :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:
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you can never take this away from me
https://www.espn.com/college-football/rankings/_/week/12/year/2012/seasontype/2 (https://www.espn.com/college-football/rankings/_/week/12/year/2012/seasontype/2)
Pre-Baylor :sad:
I gotta say that clenching a Dr Pepper at home did take a lot of the sting out of the Baylor loss. The Fiesta Bowl was an unmitigated disappointment.
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It was very sad when we lost to Baylor. The truth of the matter is K-State was a top ten team in 12 but wouldn't have won a 12 team playoff format or anything. Still sucked.
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the 2012 texas game has to be one of Bill's best coaching jobs
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2012
Would you look at that! Nebraska ranked and rolling in at 14 & 16
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Tell me which Cat football seasons you will rank ahead of this season after the Cats win their next two games and claim the Dr Pepper + Sugar Bowl.
If the cats win the next 2 they’d likely finish in the top 7(6th?)which I think would be tie for the best end of year ranking ever. For me that puts this team up there with the best for me (I didn’t become a fan until tue early 00s though)
2012 was an insane amount of fun w national title hopes late into the season. Didn’t have that this year, but this team has the potential to finish a lot stronger than that team did.
lets not forget about the '97 cats. That team was one hot POA that just happened to have the misforunte of being in the same division with the team that won the national championship
1997 ended on a great note, 1998 was a ton of fun during the regular season but the two post-season losses take a lot of the shine off, 2012 was a lot of fun during the regular season but the way it ended was a real dud.
I'm gonna say that this will be the best season if school history if the Cats find a way to win out.
this might just be a tough crowd. '97 we went 11-1, granted the loss @NU was a blowout and it happened the first week of October, but for the 11 games we won the closest was 13-2, every other game we won by 3+ scores, just absolute domination.
Maybe the difference is the only victory over a ranked team we had that year was #14 aTm, and then the bowl game against #14 Syracuse. That aTm game was so fun, our seats were right by the visitor section and their fans were just so excited to see Dat Nguyen mop the floor w/ us and that dude had like maybe 1 TFL and otherwise didn't do jack crap.
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i wasn't even alive in 1997 but i imagine the LB neck rolls were super cool or whatever
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Tell me which Cat football seasons you will rank ahead of this season after the Cats win their next two games and claim the Dr Pepper + Sugar Bowl.
If the cats win the next 2 they’d likely finish in the top 7(6th?)which I think would be tie for the best end of year ranking ever. For me that puts this team up there with the best for me (I didn’t become a fan until tue early 00s though)
2012 was an insane amount of fun w national title hopes late into the season. Didn’t have that this year, but this team has the potential to finish a lot stronger than that team did.
lets not forget about the '97 cats. That team was one hot POA that just happened to have the misforunte of being in the same division with the team that won the national championship
1997 ended on a great note, 1998 was a ton of fun during the regular season but the two post-season losses take a lot of the shine off, 2012 was a lot of fun during the regular season but the way it ended was a real dud.
I'm gonna say that this will be the best season if school history if the Cats find a way to win out.
this might just be a tough crowd. '97 we went 11-1, granted the loss @NU was a blowout and it happened the first week of October, but for the 11 games we won the closest was 13-2, every other game we won by 3+ scores, just absolute domination.
Maybe the difference is the only victory over a ranked team we had that year was #14 aTm, and then the bowl game against #14 Syracuse. That aTm game was so fun, our seats were right by the visitor section and their fans were just so excited to see Dat Nguyen mop the floor w/ us and that dude had like maybe 1 TFL and otherwise didn't do jack crap.
The Cats kicked a tremendous amount of ass that season. 17 year old me got to watch the KU game in the KSU student section with my cool older cousins and it cemented my decision to go to school at K-State.
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i wasn't even alive in 1997 but i imagine the LB neck rolls were super cool or whatever
hunchback-chic, yes very much a thing
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Even if we win the next two (which would be awesome with beating an undefeated TCU and maybe Bama) it's hard to place this above 2012 let along some of the 97/98 times. We just stumbled enough at certain points in the season to make it go from "good" to "holy crap we're serious national contenders"
That being said, I'll be extremely pleased with an 11-3 season, and even a 10-4 would be looked back upon fondly, especially if we follow up with a great year next year
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i wasn't even alive in 1997 but i imagine the LB neck rolls were super cool or whatever
hunchback-chic, yes very much a thing
Nobody out-neckrolled our linebackers and fullbacks in those days.
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i wasn't even alive in 1997 but i imagine the LB neck rolls were super cool or whatever
hunchback-chic, yes very much a thing
wouldn't that quasi-reduce your modo-lity though?
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Even if we win the next two (which would be awesome with beating an undefeated TCU and maybe Bama) it's hard to place this above 2012 let along some of the 97/98 times. We just stumbled enough at certain points in the season to make it go from "good" to "holy crap we're serious national contenders"
That being said, I'll be extremely pleased with an 11-3 season, and even a 10-4 would be looked back upon fondly, especially if we follow up with a great year next year
If we win the next 2, it will be the best season in the history of K-State football.
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:lol:
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Even if we win the next two (which would be awesome with beating an undefeated TCU and maybe Bama) it's hard to place this above 2012 let along some of the 97/98 times. We just stumbled enough at certain points in the season to make it go from "good" to "holy crap we're serious national contenders"
That being said, I'll be extremely pleased with an 11-3 season, and even a 10-4 would be looked back upon fondly, especially if we follow up with a great year next year
If we win the next 2, it will be the best season in the history of K-State football.
Even if true, still no bcs wins :(
Jayhawks will throw that in our stupid faces
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i wasn't even alive in 1997 but i imagine the LB neck rolls were super cool or whatever
hunchback-chic, yes very much a thing
wouldn't that quasi-reduce your modo-lity though?
scheuermann, i suppose it would.
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Even if we win the next two (which would be awesome with beating an undefeated TCU and maybe Bama) it's hard to place this above 2012 let along some of the 97/98 times. We just stumbled enough at certain points in the season to make it go from "good" to "holy crap we're serious national contenders"
That being said, I'll be extremely pleased with an 11-3 season, and even a 10-4 would be looked back upon fondly, especially if we follow up with a great year next year
If we win the next 2, it will be the best season in the history of K-State football.
Pretty damn easily too. 11 wins, top 5 finish, conference champions, sugar bowl champions. We've never even won the conference and a bowl game the same year.
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All bowl game results that aren't the cfp are meaningless
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All bowl game results that aren't the cfp are meaningless
Agree but I do think getting to double digit W's is meaningful, which the bowl game can help with
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All bowl game results that aren't the cfp are meaningless
The CFP is a whole 8 years old and we've never been there so it is of literally zero relevance when discussing the history of our program. When we do eventually reach the cfp it's going to be possible that a CFP season won't be in consideration for our best season. If we make the cfp without winning the conference then get bumped even after winning the first game, it doesn't mean crap.
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All bowl game results that aren't the cfp are meaningless
The CFP is a whole 8 years old and we've never been there so it is of literally zero relevance when discussing the history of our program. When we do eventually reach the cfp it's going to be possible that a CFP season won't be in consideration for our best season. If we make the cfp without winning the conference then get bumped even after winning the first game, it doesn't mean crap.
Well yeah it changes when the cfp changes
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All bowl game results that aren't the cfp are meaningless
Agree but I do think getting to double digit W's is meaningful, which the bowl game can help with
Double digit wins aren't meaningful
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All bowl game results that aren't the cfp are meaningless
Winning bowl games is fun and makes me happy as a Cat fan. I will listen to your argument about the Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl or Liberty Bowl or Pinstripe Bowl being meaningless. Winning a NY6 level bowl games is not meaningless and would be a lot of fun and great exposure for the program.
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All bowl game results that aren't the cfp are meaningless
The CFP is a whole 8 years old and we've never been there so it is of literally zero relevance when discussing the history of our program. When we do eventually reach the cfp it's going to be possible that a CFP season won't be in consideration for our best season. If we make the cfp without winning the conference then get bumped even after winning the first game, it doesn't mean crap.
Well yeah it changes when the cfp changes
The existence of the cfp, no matter how many teams, does not render the history before it meaningless. In fact post season football before the CFP was imminently more meaningful.
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All bowl game results that aren't the cfp are meaningless
Winning bowl games is fun and makes me happy as a Cat fan. I will listen to your argument about the Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl or Liberty Bowl or Pinstripe Bowl being meaningless. Winning a NY6 level bowl games is not meaningless and would be a lot of fun and great exposure for the program.
Losing NY6 games is a lot of fun and great exposure. You are right it is obviously more fun to win but for the most part the games' results have very little bearing on the current or future health of the program.
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All bowl game results that aren't the cfp are meaningless
The CFP is a whole 8 years old and we've never been there so it is of literally zero relevance when discussing the history of our program. When we do eventually reach the cfp it's going to be possible that a CFP season won't be in consideration for our best season. If we make the cfp without winning the conference then get bumped even after winning the first game, it doesn't mean crap.
Well yeah it changes when the cfp changes
The existence of the cfp, no matter how many teams, does not render the history before it meaningless. In fact post season football before the CFP was imminently more meaningful.
Yeah I know. I guess I meant in the CFP era bowl results are meaningless.
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All bowl game results that aren't the cfp are meaningless
Agree but I do think getting to double digit W's is meaningful, which the bowl game can help with
Double digit wins aren't meaningful
No one is going to argue that any non-cfp bowl game is an exhibition. But acting like all exhibition games are the same level of meaningless is just trying too hard to be edgy.
For one, winning the Sugar Bowl would definitely have an impact on our ranking going into next year, which has an effect more generally on how “quality” wins are perceived next year in the Big 12, which increases our chances of getting into the cfp. I mean it’s basically how the SEC has positioned itself as routinely having a good shot of landing at least one if not two teams in the cfp.
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I would prefer to win a bowl game but mainly view them as an exhibition game....but once the CFBP expands to 12 teams those games will matter.
WE MADE THE ELITE 8 IN 2022! Sounds alot better than we went 9-3 in the regular season, won the big12 and lost to Bama in the sugar bowl.
At the end of the day the only thing I care about is winning the Big12 (presented by Dr. Pepper). Anything after that is gravy.
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For one, winning the Sugar Bowl would definitely have an impact on our ranking going into next year, which has an effect more generally on how “quality” wins are perceived next year in the Big 12, which increases our chances of getting into the cfp. I mean it’s basically how the SEC has positioned itself as routinely having a good shot of landing at least one if not two teams in the cfp.
This is a pretty good point I haven't considered. I don't think it would "definitely" have an impact on next year's preseason ranking but it might.
(Generally the SEC isn't anything special in NY6 bowls so I don't agree that's why they consistently have multiple cfp teams)
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All bowl game results that aren't the cfp are meaningless
Agree but I do think getting to double digit W's is meaningful, which the bowl game can help with
Double digit wins aren't meaningful
They are to me. Like 10-3 is infinitely better than 9-4 and I will die on that hill
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thinking we were going to lose the next day, I took this screenshot
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221201/eb6fea5d9f8860cfdd78e874e823c69f.jpg)
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For one, winning the Sugar Bowl would definitely have an impact on our ranking going into next year, which has an effect more generally on how “quality” wins are perceived next year in the Big 12, which increases our chances of getting into the cfp. I mean it’s basically how the SEC has positioned itself as routinely having a good shot of landing at least one if not two teams in the cfp.
This is a pretty good point I haven't considered. I don't think it would "definitely" have an impact on next year's preseason ranking but it might.
(Generally the SEC isn't anything special in NY6 bowls so I don't agree that's why they consistently have multiple cfp teams)
I don’t disagree on that last point, but I do think it’s a reason why number of 10+ win seasons matter. The more often you crush the regular season +postseason exhibition, the more likely your resume will get looked at just slightly better for the cfp than some upstart team with the same (or even 1 fewer) losses.
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For one, winning the Sugar Bowl would definitely have an impact on our ranking going into next year, which has an effect more generally on how “quality” wins are perceived next year in the Big 12, which increases our chances of getting into the cfp. I mean it’s basically how the SEC has positioned itself as routinely having a good shot of landing at least one if not two teams in the cfp.
This is a pretty good point I haven't considered. I don't think it would "definitely" have an impact on next year's preseason ranking but it might.
(Generally the SEC isn't anything special in NY6 bowls so I don't agree that's why they consistently have multiple cfp teams)
I don’t disagree on that last point, but I do think it’s a reason why number of 10+ win seasons matter. The more often you crush the regular season +postseason exhibition, the more likely your resume will get looked at just slightly better for the cfp than some upstart team with the same (or even 1 fewer) losses.
Any examples of this actually happening during the 4-team CFP era?
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Winning the next 2 would be huge for this program. Here are some random stats for the almost no tradition nu-est big 12. Some relevent, some not so much, but still talking/recruiting points I guess.
Pre-computers/playoff National Championships
TCU and BYU
CFP Appearances
Cincy
Big 12 Championships
Baylor: 3
K-State: 2
OSU: 1
TCU: 1
Bowl Coalition/Bowl Alliance/BCS/NY6
WVU: 3 wins (4 appearances)
Baylor: 2 wins (5 appearances)
TCU: 2 wins (3 appearances)
OSU: 2 wins (3 appearances)
UCF: 2 wins (3 appearances)
K-State: 1 win (3 appearances)
Iowa St: 1 win (1 appearance)
KU: 1 win (1 appearance)
Cincy: 0 wins (4 appearances)
TTech: 0 wins (2 appearances)
BYU: 0 wins (0 appearances)
Houston: 0 wins (0 appearances)
10 or more win seasons
BYU: 18
TCU: 16
OSU: 10
Houston: 9
WVU: 8
K-State: 8
Cincy: 8
Baylor: 7
UCF: 7
TTech: 6
KU: 3
Iowa St: 0
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For one, winning the Sugar Bowl would definitely have an impact on our ranking going into next year, which has an effect more generally on how “quality” wins are perceived next year in the Big 12, which increases our chances of getting into the cfp. I mean it’s basically how the SEC has positioned itself as routinely having a good shot of landing at least one if not two teams in the cfp.
This is a pretty good point I haven't considered. I don't think it would "definitely" have an impact on next year's preseason ranking but it might.
(Generally the SEC isn't anything special in NY6 bowls so I don't agree that's why they consistently have multiple cfp teams)
I don’t disagree on that last point, but I do think it’s a reason why number of 10+ win seasons matter. The more often you crush the regular season +postseason exhibition, the more likely your resume will get looked at just slightly better for the cfp than some upstart team with the same (or even 1 fewer) losses.
Any examples of this actually happening during the 4-team CFP era?
I think the year Baylor & TCU got locked out in favor of Ohio State is top of mind for most folks.
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Disappointing end this last season, but yea I think it would have been better if Thompson would have been healthy. I'm not leaning one way or the other with Klieman.
Hot take
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All bowl game results that aren't the cfp are meaningless
The CFP is a whole 8 years old and we've never been there so it is of literally zero relevance when discussing the history of our program. When we do eventually reach the cfp it's going to be possible that a CFP season won't be in consideration for our best season. If we make the cfp without winning the conference then get bumped even after winning the first game, it doesn't mean crap.
Well yeah it changes when the cfp changes
The existence of the cfp, no matter how many teams, does not render the history before it meaningless. In fact post season football before the CFP was imminently more meaningful.
Yeah I know. I guess I meant in the CFP era bowl results are meaningless.
We'll find out soon enough, but I guarantee it is more fun winning the Cheeze-It Bowl than losing a first round game 24-13 in State College, PA in December.
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I'm wondering if Big XII vs SEC is in the first round of the new CFP. The big 10 vs ACC could also be a lock for the first round. The reason being we're closer to SEC over big 10 and the same with ACC vs big 10. The first round gets played at one team's home field. I think it's all bowls after that.
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naw, that's not how it's going to work, at all. It's all seed based.
Using this year's current CFP ratings the first round matches would be
Tulane @ Ohio State
Utah @ Alabama
K-State @ Tennessee
Clemson @ Penn State
Byes would go to
Michigan
Georgia
TCU
USC
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For one, winning the Sugar Bowl would definitely have an impact on our ranking going into next year, which has an effect more generally on how “quality” wins are perceived next year in the Big 12, which increases our chances of getting into the cfp. I mean it’s basically how the SEC has positioned itself as routinely having a good shot of landing at least one if not two teams in the cfp.
This is a pretty good point I haven't considered. I don't think it would "definitely" have an impact on next year's preseason ranking but it might.
(Generally the SEC isn't anything special in NY6 bowls so I don't agree that's why they consistently have multiple cfp teams)
I don’t disagree on that last point, but I do think it’s a reason why number of 10+ win seasons matter. The more often you crush the regular season +postseason exhibition, the more likely your resume will get looked at just slightly better for the cfp than some upstart team with the same (or even 1 fewer) losses.
Any examples of this actually happening during the 4-team CFP era?
I think the year Baylor & TCU got locked out in favor of Ohio State is top of mind for most folks.
I think (consistent) 10 win seasons are important in that it helps* recruiting. Alabama is always preseason top 3 because, “they’re going to lose these players to the draft, but their previous 2-3 recruiting classes include the biggest, fastest kids to prevent any drop off”.
That’s where I think losing OU and Texas hurt the most, we’re not going to get credit for beating teams that are perceived as worse simply because recruiting services said this 17 year old is better than another one. Nobody (espn pundits) seems to care what the stats say.
*10 wins are great, but it’s gonna take more Porsches.
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For one, winning the Sugar Bowl would definitely have an impact on our ranking going into next year, which has an effect more generally on how “quality” wins are perceived next year in the Big 12, which increases our chances of getting into the cfp. I mean it’s basically how the SEC has positioned itself as routinely having a good shot of landing at least one if not two teams in the cfp.
This is a pretty good point I haven't considered. I don't think it would "definitely" have an impact on next year's preseason ranking but it might.
(Generally the SEC isn't anything special in NY6 bowls so I don't agree that's why they consistently have multiple cfp teams)
I don’t disagree on that last point, but I do think it’s a reason why number of 10+ win seasons matter. The more often you crush the regular season +postseason exhibition, the more likely your resume will get looked at just slightly better for the cfp than some upstart team with the same (or even 1 fewer) losses.
Any examples of this actually happening during the 4-team CFP era?
I think the year Baylor & TCU got locked out in favor of Ohio State is top of mind for most folks.
Ohio State didn't win a bowl game the previous 3 seasons!
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For one, winning the Sugar Bowl would definitely have an impact on our ranking going into next year, which has an effect more generally on how “quality” wins are perceived next year in the Big 12, which increases our chances of getting into the cfp. I mean it’s basically how the SEC has positioned itself as routinely having a good shot of landing at least one if not two teams in the cfp.
This is a pretty good point I haven't considered. I don't think it would "definitely" have an impact on next year's preseason ranking but it might.
(Generally the SEC isn't anything special in NY6 bowls so I don't agree that's why they consistently have multiple cfp teams)
I don’t disagree on that last point, but I do think it’s a reason why number of 10+ win seasons matter. The more often you crush the regular season +postseason exhibition, the more likely your resume will get looked at just slightly better for the cfp than some upstart team with the same (or even 1 fewer) losses.
Any examples of this actually happening during the 4-team CFP era?
I think the year Baylor & TCU got locked out in favor of Ohio State is top of mind for most folks.
Ohio State didn't win a bowl game the previous 3 seasons!
Because 12-win regular seasons might matter, 10-4 seasons don't
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Beating Alabama in the Sugar Bowl would matter to me. That would be a lot of fun. If we end up with Tennessee, that would also be fun, but not as fun (or important).
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Beating Alabama in the Sugar Bowl would matter to me. That would be a lot of fun. If we end up with Tennessee, that would also be fun, but not as fun (or important).
I agree on the fun but disagree on the importance. I was preemptively talking crap to a Bama fan I work with and this was his response:
Alabama has a strong history of giving zero shits about non national title games so KSU may have a chance
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Like, kicking the crap out of LSU was arguably the most fun bowl game of all time. did it matter though? nah
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normally my immediate response would be that i'd prefer a dr. pepper over a sugar bowl.
but man a win over bama/tennessee/lsu this year would be hilarious and so entertaining and i would talk crap for years.
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K-State beating a #5 ranked, 10-2 Alabama in the Sugar Bowl would have incredible significance for our program and the history of K-State football.
Claiming it doesn't matter with the opinion of an Alabama fan is completely irrelevant.
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Bowl games now are as significant as the players and coaches who participate in the game or not make them.
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this is just my personal ranking
1. cfp
2. conf champ
3. 10 win season
4. victory in some specific bowl
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Like, kicking the crap out of LSU was arguably the most fun bowl game of all time. did it matter though? nah
Did it matter to this year's ranking? I think it certainly helped with some of the preseason perception that had a lot of people calling us a dark horse to win the Big 12, but otherwise I don't think it did much. I think this year's bowl game matters more, though, because we have a much better team, playing in a bowl game against a program that has won most of the recent national championships. We will be ranked pretty high next season if we win our next 2 games, and barely ranked at all if we lose them both.
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this is just my personal ranking
1. cfp
2. conf champ
3. 10 win season
4. victory in some specific bowl
Agree with this. I will/have been nervous for every significant game. Regardless whether we win this weekend though, I won’t be nervous at all about the Sugar Bowl. That will just be fun.
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Beating Alabama in the Sugar Bowl would matter to me. That would be a lot of fun. If we end up with Tennessee, that would also be fun, but not as fun (or important).
I agree on the fun but disagree on the importance. I was preemptively talking crap to a Bama fan I work with and this was his response:
Alabama has a strong history of giving zero shits about non national title games so KSU may have a chance
You should tell him it’s too bad then that this is the only way we get to play them since Bama keeps ducking us in the regular season.
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K-State beating a #5 ranked, 10-2 Alabama in the Sugar Bowl would have incredible significance for our program and the history of K-State football.
Claiming it doesn't matter with the opinion of an Alabama fan is completely irrelevant.
Would absolutely matter for recruiting, we'll tell every 'cruit on the trail about the win and flash that crap in their faces
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It's good for recuriting for about 1 cycle. As long as you regularly compete well in bowls, it's a pride thing, kids watch but everyone understands that its a showcase. High level athletes are used to and know all about showcases, and they know that win or lose it's about showing out well but that's about it.
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Winning the next 2 would be huge for this program. Here are some random stats for the almost no tradition nu-est big 12. Some relevent, some not so much, but still talking/recruiting points I guess.
Pre-computers/playoff National Championships
TCU and BYU
CFP Appearances
Cincy
Big 12 Championships
Baylor: 3
K-State: 2
OSU: 1
TCU: 1
Bowl Coalition/Bowl Alliance/BCS/NY6
WVU: 3 wins (4 appearances)
Baylor: 2 wins (5 appearances)
TCU: 2 wins (3 appearances)
OSU: 2 wins (3 appearances)
UCF: 2 wins (3 appearances)
K-State: 1 win (3 appearances)
Iowa St: 1 win (1 appearance)
KU: 1 win (1 appearance)
Cincy: 0 wins (4 appearances)
TTech: 0 wins (2 appearances)
BYU: 0 wins (0 appearances)
Houston: 0 wins (0 appearances)
10 or more win seasons
BYU: 18
TCU: 16
OSU: 10
Houston: 9
WVU: 8
K-State: 8
Cincy: 8
Baylor: 7
UCF: 7
TTech: 6
KU: 3
Iowa St: 0
K-State has 10 seasons of 10 or more wins, not 8.
1910
1995
1997
1998
1999
2000
2002
2003
2011
2012
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As a kazzuu cats fan, my outlook is I'm very excited that the portal is a thing. Feel like where in the past after losing some key components after a good(great?) season we should be able to pickup some immediate plug and play playaz. And honestly if there is one thing that a playa wants to do it's play.
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this is just my personal ranking
1. cfp
2. conf champ
3. 10 win season
4. victory in some specific bowl
I need clarification here but are you talking about a 12 team CFP or a 4 team CFP?
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this is just my personal ranking
1. cfp
2. conf champ
3. 10 win season
4. victory in some specific bowl
I need clarification here but are you talking about a 12 team CFP or a 4 team CFP?
4-team.
here would be my personal ranking in the 12-team CFP era:
1. cfp champ
2. conf champ
3. losing in cfp champ game
4. losing in cfp semifinal
5. 10 win season
6. qualifying for 12-team cfp
7. victory in some specific bowl
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I'm guessing these are what recruits care about. So it's what I care about
1. Playoff National Championship
2. Pre playoff National Championship
3. 4 Team Playoff Appearance
4. Conference Championship
5. 12 Team Playoff/NY6 (non-CFP)/BCS/Bowl Alliance/Bowl Coalition Appearance
6. 10 win season
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this is just my personal ranking
1. cfp
2. conf champ
3. 10 win season
4. victory in some specific bowl
I need clarification here but are you talking about a 12 team CFP or a 4 team CFP?
4-team.
here would be my personal ranking in the 12-team CFP era:
1. cfp champ
2. conf champ
3. losing in cfp champ game
4. losing in cfp semifinal
5. 10 win season
6. qualifying for 12-team cfp
7. victory in some specific bowl
I agree with all of this but I'd swap 6 and 7. Winning your last game matters and I'd bet the players would rather win the Bahamas Bowl rather than losing in the cold. If this were our 7th playoff appearance or whatever they say we would have had, I'm sure the fans would not think making it and being bounced early 5 out of 7 times, would be the least bit meaningful.
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https://twitter.com/mattbrowncfb/status/1598352946479222785
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https://twitter.com/mattbrowncfb/status/1598352946479222785
I like our chances of at least 1 natty, daddy!
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1. cfp champ
2. conf champ
3. losing in cfp champ game
4. losing in cfp semifinal
5. 10 win season
6. qualifying for 12-team cfp
7. victory in some specific bowl
I agree with all of this but I'd swap 6 and 7. Winning your last game matters and I'd bet the players would rather win the Bahamas Bowl rather than losing in the cold. If this were our 7th playoff appearance or whatever they say we would have had, I'm sure the fans would not think making it and being bounced early 5 out of 7 times, would be the least bit meaningful.
that's probably true
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https://twitter.com/mattbrowncfb/status/1598352946479222785
That’s analogous to making like a Sweet 16 appearance? Odds definitely are at least making a title game under that system. Sucks for us.
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https://twitter.com/mattbrowncfb/status/1598352946479222785
I like our chances of at least 1 natty, daddy!
I think the '98 team, maybe the '00 team were the only ones good enough to win it.
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‘98 would have brought it home. Tripped on their dicks against aTm, timely wake up call and then just woodshedding all the way to a natty
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https://twitter.com/mattbrowncfb/status/1598352946479222785
I like our chances of at least 1 natty, daddy!
I think the '98 team, maybe the '00 team were the only ones good enough to win it.
The healthy 2003 team the destroyed OU would have been fun in a 12 team playoff
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All bowl game results that aren't the cfp are meaningless
Agree but I do think getting to double digit W's is meaningful, which the bowl game can help with
Double digit wins aren't meaningful
https://twitter.com/oldmanrogersksu/status/1599207249318400001?s=20&t=tleISSERstjhFHz5mGiGbg
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All bowl game results that aren't the cfp are meaningless
Agree but I do think getting to double digit W's is meaningful, which the bowl game can help with
Double digit wins aren't meaningful
https://twitter.com/oldmanrogersksu/status/1599207249318400001?s=20&t=tleISSERstjhFHz5mGiGbg
Iowa state really not handling this well
https://twitter.com/rdcramer/status/1599246769107279872?s=20&t=h4w85alAMFoBRfG-fkcFRg
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Now that it is complete, where does this season rank all-time for you Cat football fans? In terms of overall enjoyment. I'd put it behind 1998 and maybe 1997. Maybe a hair behind 2012.
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A very nice surprise.
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Thought I'll just put this here: .
.https://twitter.com/joshmancuso/status/1608974514175774720?s=20&t=24m8KkPVld4h_5d8sE7CDQ
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A great season. A flag will fly for the B12 Title.
My biggest fear was not that Bama's offense would be that good. My fear was their DLine would kill us. To my surprise, our line acquitted themselves well.
Outlook is sunny with a breeze at my back.
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Thought I'll just put this here: .
.https://twitter.com/joshmancuso/status/1608974514175774720?s=20&t=24m8KkPVld4h_5d8sE7CDQ
Nice
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A great season. A flag will fly for the B12 Title.
My biggest fear was not that Bama's offense would be that good. My fear was their DLine would kill us. To my surprise, our line acquitted themselves well.
Outlook is sunny with a breeze at my back.
:cheers:
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Yes, even with the massive gap in recruited talent, we made them fight for about three quarters.
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We came a long way this year, but to take the next step we need upgrade at WR. I think we'll be better with transfers and recruits. Also for top-level offenses, probably need to be deeper at CB. Again, I think we're making strides there. Just my opinion; feel free to critique.
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Definitely need an upgrade at CB and WR. I was surprised how well we held up in the trenches. Usually that's where you see an immediate discrepancy but it was not there today.
We are not exactly the healthiest in our secondary, but we have continuously been exposed when our corners are one on one.
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Definitely need an upgrade at CB and WR. I was surprised how well we held up in the trenches. Usually that's where you see an immediate discrepancy but it was not there today.
We are not exactly the healthiest in our secondary, but we have continuously been exposed when our corners are one on one.
Klandy puts a LOT of pressure on the CB’s when rushing 3. I’m just not sure you can recruit for any DB, much less 4 or 5 DB’s to hold the line for 4.5/5.0 seconds. The secondary got hit over the top a lot this year. (IMO).
Can definitely recruit better, faster stronger. But that’s just a huge ask to cover that long.
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With the positive news with our recruiting and finds from the portal, I feel we are going to get better.
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With the positive news with our recruiting and finds from the portal, I feel we are going to get better.
I think it’s possible they’re a better team next year. Maybe my expectations are way too high though.
Major losses will include Deuce (likely), Felix (likely), green, Huggins, top 3 WR, brents, ekow (?)
Obviously some huge losses, especially on offense, but we return a starting qb, sounds like the entire O line returning, grabbed a 4* wr transfer, and I have liked what giddens has done at times this year.
Defense has some stud LBs coming in, guessing duke moves back to DE to replace Felix, probably grab a db or 2 in the portal. Payne and Parrish looked promising.
Hopefully Klein continues to keep the offense innovative and the D continues to improve in the 3-3-5.
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We're in good shape
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We'll be better next year, just need some receivers out of the portal. We should be a fairly attractive destination for immediate playing time as a starter.
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Now that it is complete, where does this season rank all-time for you Cat football fans? In terms of overall enjoyment. I'd put it behind 1998 and maybe 1997. Maybe a hair behind 2012.
First of all, I don't hold '98 in high regard, at all. The UT and Nebraska games were awesome, other than that we essentially held serve. I feel the similarly about '12. We finished with a championship, unlike '98, but there were no wow moments, nothing groundbreaking. As cool as the UT game was, it wasn't like they were ever a threat to beat us. We were heavy favorites and easily finished them off.
I think this season we had big moments and won a championship. I don't think this team is as good as the '97 and '00 teams but I'd put this season on those levels as far as enjoyability went. Didn't finish the job to make it the clear most enjoyable season ever, but I think it still has a strong argument.
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We'll be better next year, just need some receivers out of the portal. We should be a fairly attractive destination for immediate playing time as a starter.
We nabbed a really good one in Keagan Johnson from Iowa but I think that’s it for influx of transfers at WR. They have some young guys already on the roster they like and landed the best crop of HS WR’s we have brought in for at least 15 years.
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Now that it is complete, where does this season rank all-time for you Cat football fans? In terms of overall enjoyment. I'd put it behind 1998 and maybe 1997. Maybe a hair behind 2012.
First of all, I don't hold '98 in high regard, at all. The UT and Nebraska games were awesome, other than that we essentially held serve. I feel the similarly about '12. We finished with a championship, unlike '98, but there were no wow moments, nothing groundbreaking. As cool as the UT game was, it wasn't like they were ever a threat to beat us. We were heavy favorites and easily finished them off.
I think this season we had big moments and won a championship. I don't think this team is as good as the '97 and '00 teams but I'd put this season on those levels as far as enjoyability went. Didn't finish the job to make it the clear most enjoyable season ever, but I think it still has a strong argument.
Agree this team is probably not as good / talented / dominating as some of the all time best cat teams, but man this was a surprisingly enjoyable season. . .
So I'm going to go with recency bias and accomplishing 10 wins/ Big12 championship post-Snyder and call this my most enjoyable season.
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2011 was easily the most fun season for me. Lots of close games where we came out on top. This season is probably top 4 for me.
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2011 was underrated as hell
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2011 was easily the most fun season for me. Lots of close games where we came out on top. This season is probably top 4 for me.
Miami / Baylor / KU / aTm were very fun games that season..
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I think 2024-2026 has a chance to have one of the best/fun seasons of our life times. Hard to imagine us ever having a better QB prospect than Avery paired with an OC like Klein.
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I'm choosing not to rank seasons and just enjoying it all as it happens. :-)
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2011 was underrated as hell
I think it would be a lot more fondly remembered if we could have won that shootout at OSU. If memory serves it was on at the same time as bama/LSU which I think the total combined score for that game was like 12. And we could have won but tlbl got his kidney lacerated trying to catch the game winning TD in the back of the endzone
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2011 was underrated as hell
I think it would be a lot more fondly remembered if we could have won that shootout at OSU. If memory serves it was on at the same time as bama/LSU which I think the total combined score for that game was like 12. And we could have won but tlbl got his kidney lacerated trying to catch the game winning TD in the back of the endzone
Pretty sure he caught a TD being lacerated, it was sometime in the 3rd quarter IIRC
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In terms of enjoyment of season, I think it was cool to have a year we were a "dark horse" and ended up actually doing it. About a top 5 season for me.
I'd put this season as very similar to 2003, if not almost a perfect analog to it. Biggest difference was TCU was no OU (though I am rooting for them to take it all), and we did worse in the big bowl game. That being said, early questionable loss (albeit to what ended up being a very good Tulane team) a loss to Texas, (no good way to match TCU to OSU loss though), all while having a tiny explosive running back.
I think the biggest difference is unlike 2003 I think next year's team has the ability to either match, and potentially succeed this years team. This feels more like the program is ramping up, not the culmination of something we've sought for a long time.
My general expectation for next year is going to be making it back to the Big 12 Champ game, and 10 wins in the regular season, if we get certain players in the portal or certain guys come back next year, it'll elevate to being big 12 champs, and being in that serious discussion of being the playoffs. If everyone like Felix and Deuce and the entire oline and other crazy crap like that, then eff it, win the whole rough ridin' thing. FFS this is probably Georgia's last hurrah at the top, Bama has to replace Bryce Young, and tOSU is the same with Stroud gone, and Michigan will never fully scare me, same with USC, so why the eff not (if that unlikely scenario plays out).
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I think many of you have WAY TOO HIGH of expectations. I hope you mean HOPES.
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I think many of you have WAY TOO HIGH of expectations. I hope you mean HOPES.
Did you watch tOSU QB on Saturday night?
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I think many of you have WAY TOO HIGH of expectations. I hope you mean HOPES.
Yes, lol
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I think many of you have WAY TOO HIGH of expectations. I hope you mean HOPES.
You think stefon diggs HOPES to make it to the Superbowl?
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Now that it is complete, where does this season rank all-time for you Cat football fans? In terms of overall enjoyment. I'd put it behind 1998 and maybe 1997. Maybe a hair behind 2012.
First of all, I don't hold '98 in high regard, at all. The UT and Nebraska games were awesome, other than that we essentially held serve. I feel the similarly about '12. We finished with a championship, unlike '98, but there were no wow moments, nothing groundbreaking. As cool as the UT game was, it wasn't like they were ever a threat to beat us. We were heavy favorites and easily finished them off.
I think this season we had big moments and won a championship. I don't think this team is as good as the '97 and '00 teams but I'd put this season on those levels as far as enjoyability went. Didn't finish the job to make it the clear most enjoyable season ever, but I think it still has a strong argument.
Add 1993. Top-tier season of enjoyment and good times.
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2011 was underrated as hell
I think it would be a lot more fondly remembered if we could have won that shootout at OSU. If memory serves it was on at the same time as bama/LSU which I think the total combined score for that game was like 12. And we could have won but tlbl got his kidney lacerated trying to catch the game winning TD in the back of the endzone
Pretty sure he caught a TD being lacerated, it was sometime in the 3rd quarter IIRC
I just moved lacerated kidney higher on my list of things I hope like hell never happen to me. That sounds terrifying.
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2011 was underrated as hell
I think it would be a lot more fondly remembered if we could have won that shootout at OSU. If memory serves it was on at the same time as bama/LSU which I think the total combined score for that game was like 12. And we could have won but tlbl got his kidney lacerated trying to catch the game winning TD in the back of the endzone
Pretty sure he caught a TD being lacerated, it was sometime in the 3rd quarter IIRC
I just moved lacerated kidney higher on my list of things I hope like hell never happen to me. That sounds terrifying.
Yup, watching it here it isn't great, just got hit in the right spot
https://youtu.be/GUkAOE_8lPg?t=113
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We'll be better next year, just need some receivers out of the portal. We should be a fairly attractive destination for immediate playing time as a starter.
We nabbed a really good one in Keagan Johnson from Iowa but I think that’s it for influx of transfers at WR. They have some young guys already on the roster they like and landed the best crop of HS WR’s we have brought in for at least 15 years.
Being optimistic here, with the loss of Knowles (725), Brooks (587), Warner (456) and Vaughn (378), we have to replace ~2,100 yards next season to replicate this season. All things considered for this quick math exercise, I'm going to assume that CK7 will find a way to move Deuce's receiving numbers to whatever RB is in the game....hopefully Giddens.
We return Sinnott, RJ Garcia and Seth Porter with '23 recruits Spivey and Davis headed our way. Additionally, we have Keagan Johnson transferring in. Lets not forget baby Lockett will now have the chance to shine as well coming off his RS.
Between the guys we somewhat know: Garcia, Porter, Johnson need to cover 1,750 yards....all of those guys can easily put up close to Warner's numbers from this year and I would hope that Johnson can be our new Knowles. Everyone else's numbers are gravy. This doesn't even account for Spivey, Davis, Lockett, etc.
From the QB perspective, 9AM didn't put up huge passing numbers either early in the season. ~175 yds/game. Howard averaged ~240 yds/game over his stretch, which I would argue was against much better defenses.
All in all, not worried about our receiving corps.