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Title: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: MakeItRain on December 11, 2020, 07:40:37 PM
How is this team so comically bad at defense?
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: MakeItRain on December 11, 2020, 07:41:09 PM
Davion Bradford tho, right  :excited:
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: ksupamplemousse on December 11, 2020, 07:50:20 PM
Does selton look as good as the box score indicates?
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: MakeItRain on December 11, 2020, 07:56:30 PM
He does, jump shots and attacking the rim
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: Cire on December 11, 2020, 08:19:43 PM
Why does oscar call timeouts during our runs?


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Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: MakeItRain on December 11, 2020, 08:22:11 PM
Because he sees something he wants to fix :dunno: oscar is the king of overcoaching but I've never brought into him calling timeouts during our runs as an issue.
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: Cire on December 11, 2020, 08:22:59 PM
I feel like he does it a lot


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Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: MakeItRain on December 11, 2020, 08:24:19 PM
I don't want to put this on two specific dudes but oscar finally sat the two power forwards, at least to start each half and we've looked way better on offense playing 4 guards. We're no better defensively, but the offense looks good having the floor spread.
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: MakeItRain on December 11, 2020, 08:29:42 PM
I feel like he does it a lot


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Yeah, I don't think it matters at all, nor do I consider an 11-7 stretch a run. He called that timeout in particular because Bradford wss tired and he wanted to get him out. It looks like we don't have Ez tonight so Weber is trying to measure Davion's minutes since he's a big dude who hasn't played a lot.
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: ksupamplemousse on December 11, 2020, 08:34:26 PM
Does Dejuan Gordon suck as bad as the box score indicates?
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: MakeItRain on December 11, 2020, 08:41:21 PM
I think he's been better tonight. He's been quiet which is fine. He's being a ball mover and not forcing shots or turning the ball over a lot. With this four guard line up and these freshmen being legit offensive weapons, DaJuan being a Will Spradlingesq ball mover is exactly what he needs to do.
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: MakeItRain on December 11, 2020, 08:43:12 PM
Jesus Christ Davion Bradford is aggressive, Ez has been Wally Pipped.
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: MakeItRain on December 11, 2020, 08:47:03 PM
Miguel, Pack, and Bradford are special.
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: kashi1965 on December 11, 2020, 09:05:44 PM
is the sophomore class a bust? man they haven't contributed much of anything this year except minutes
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: Cire on December 11, 2020, 09:06:07 PM
We are going to lose


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Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: MakeItRain on December 11, 2020, 09:11:02 PM
is the sophomore class a bust?

Yes
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: MakeItRain on December 11, 2020, 09:15:49 PM
It's amazing how badly oscar Weber continually gets disrespected by referees. There were no fewer than 6 calls the last 45 seconds of that game that we were on the wrong side of. Milwaukee got a favorable whistle on the road at K-State. I don't ever remember thinking, "yeah, team x got screwed, we definitely got the calls tonight."
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: dal9 on December 11, 2020, 09:22:04 PM
It's amazing how badly oscar Weber continually gets disrespected by referees. There were no fewer than 6 calls the last 45 seconds of that game that we were on the wrong side of. Milwaukee got a favorable whistle on the road at K-State. I don't ever remember thinking, "yeah, team x got screwed, we definitely got the calls tonight."

besides the FT hitting the rim, what?

kinda did a small favor not calling the foul with  6 secs left when mcgurl got pushed
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: wetwillie on December 11, 2020, 09:35:53 PM
Miguel, Pack, and Bradford are special.

Word on the street is Kasubke can ball out too.  The 2019 class has really failed to launch.
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: ksupamplemousse on December 11, 2020, 09:41:02 PM
There's a good basketball hiding within Dejuan Gordon, I just know it. It'll kill me if he flames out.
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: BostonPancake on December 11, 2020, 09:58:25 PM
Nice to see some good things.

I don't have a Kenpom sub, but we have to be one of the worst 3-point defensives teams in the nation, don't we?
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: stunted on December 11, 2020, 10:26:10 PM
Have hope the sophomores can at least be decent roleplayers by the time our super stud freshman are juniors. 2 decent roleplayers and Dajuan is an above average class. Bad if they’re our best players but good enough to support the studs. Rudi and EZ look alright too.

It’s very rare a 7 footer that’s not a projected lottery pick makes an immediate impact. Ku fans were saying they didn’t want him and they got their guy in Muscadin. Maybe it was true at the time but looks like our guy is the better player.
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: MakeItRain on December 11, 2020, 10:40:30 PM
It's amazing how badly oscar Weber continually gets disrespected by referees. There were no fewer than 6 calls the last 45 seconds of that game that we were on the wrong side of. Milwaukee got a favorable whistle on the road at K-State. I don't ever remember thinking, "yeah, team x got screwed, we definitely got the calls tonight."

besides the FT hitting the rim, what?

kinda did a small favor not calling the foul with  6 secs left when mcgurl got pushed

The way they called those touch fouls when Milwaukee had to take fouls was brutal. Two of them absolutely weren't fouls and were anticipated, that time was huge. There was a missed travel in the scramble possession where they hit the last three. I suppose it's possible that three pointer got his arm touched when Pollard called the three shot foul, but the shooter's embellishment makes me think he didn't and pollard also anticipated that one too. The foul they called was also not a foul, they didn't give it on the baseline, and they shouldn't have, but then they called the slight touch when McGurl got away. Finally, of course the free throw. That was Sirmons' second screw up btw, he was the one who started the clock when Milwaukee rolled the ball in, they retook the in bounds play and Weber picked up too aggressively and that led to the scramble three that had the travel.
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: wetwillie on December 11, 2020, 10:43:22 PM
Hopefully Shane can coach his ass up
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: MakeItRain on December 11, 2020, 10:50:48 PM
Have hope the sophomores can at least be decent roleplayers by the time our super stud freshman are juniors. 2 decent roleplayers and Dajuan is an above average class. Bad if they’re our best players but good enough to support the studs. Rudi and EZ look alright too.

It’s very rare a 7 footer that’s not a projected lottery pick makes an immediate impact. Ku fans were saying they didn’t want him and they got their guy in Muscadin. Maybe it was true at the time but looks like our guy is the better player.

The only salvageable returning sophomore is Dajuan, and even he won't be what people want him to be. He needs to work on his defending and becoming a better shooter. I think his upside is being a 4 year starter eventually averaging like 10 pts., 3 assists, & 3 boards, but he's got to be more efficient and cut the turnovers. He has a career TOr of 20%
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: dal9 on December 11, 2020, 11:58:56 PM
It's amazing how badly oscar Weber continually gets disrespected by referees. There were no fewer than 6 calls the last 45 seconds of that game that we were on the wrong side of. Milwaukee got a favorable whistle on the road at K-State. I don't ever remember thinking, "yeah, team x got screwed, we definitely got the calls tonight."

besides the FT hitting the rim, what?

kinda did a small favor not calling the foul with  6 secs left when mcgurl got pushed

The way they called those touch fouls when Milwaukee had to take fouls was brutal. Two of them absolutely weren't fouls and were anticipated, that time was huge. There was a missed travel in the scramble possession where they hit the last three. I suppose it's possible that three pointer got his arm touched when Pollard called the three shot foul, but the shooter's embellishment makes me think he didn't and pollard also anticipated that one too. The foul they called was also not a foul, they didn't give it on the baseline, and they shouldn't have, but then they called the slight touch when McGurl got away. Finally, of course the free throw. That was Sirmons' second screw up btw, he was the one who started the clock when Milwaukee rolled the ball in, they retook the in bounds play and Weber picked up too aggressively and that led to the scramble three that had the travel.

i didn't watch that closely so u could be right about the touch fouls...and i think you could be right about the foul on the 3-pointer
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: dal9 on December 12, 2020, 12:00:52 AM
Have hope the sophomores can at least be decent roleplayers by the time our super stud freshman are juniors. 2 decent roleplayers and Dajuan is an above average class. Bad if they’re our best players but good enough to support the studs. Rudi and EZ look alright too.

It’s very rare a 7 footer that’s not a projected lottery pick makes an immediate impact. Ku fans were saying they didn’t want him and they got their guy in Muscadin. Maybe it was true at the time but looks like our guy is the better player.

The only salvageable returning sophomore is Dajuan, and even he won't be what people want him to be. He needs to work on his defending and becoming a better shooter. I think his upside is being a 4 year starter eventually averaging like 10 pts., 3 assists, & 3 boards, but he's got to be more efficient and cut the turnovers. He has a career TOr of 20%

D Gordon's inability to shoot is going to kill him...just can't be a non-shooting SG/SF in today's game...i think M Murphy and A Gordon could still be OK (and they are a lot better than a lot of the young bigs we've seen in recent years), but I don't see where they get playing time if we go 4 out...
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: MakeItRain on December 12, 2020, 02:18:18 AM
Have hope the sophomores can at least be decent roleplayers by the time our super stud freshman are juniors. 2 decent roleplayers and Dajuan is an above average class. Bad if they’re our best players but good enough to support the studs. Rudi and EZ look alright too.

It’s very rare a 7 footer that’s not a projected lottery pick makes an immediate impact. Ku fans were saying they didn’t want him and they got their guy in Muscadin. Maybe it was true at the time but looks like our guy is the better player.

The only salvageable returning sophomore is Dajuan, and even he won't be what people want him to be. He needs to work on his defending and becoming a better shooter. I think his upside is being a 4 year starter eventually averaging like 10 pts., 3 assists, & 3 boards, but he's got to be more efficient and cut the turnovers. He has a career TOr of 20%

D Gordon's inability to shoot is going to kill him...just can't be a non-shooting SG/SF in today's game...i think M Murphy and A Gordon could still be OK (and they are a lot better than a lot of the young bigs we've seen in recent years), but I don't see where they get playing time if we go 4 out...

Agree with all of this. Dajuan can make himself a better shooter though, will he, who knows, but he can.
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: WildcatNkilt on December 12, 2020, 07:29:03 AM
There is hope.  Hell if we played Defense this team could be really good.  These freshman have a high ceiling.
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: stunted on December 13, 2020, 10:22:16 PM
what do you guys think about carlton
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2020, 10:52:40 PM
He's only played 11 minutes :dunno:
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 13, 2020, 11:59:32 PM
 I want Gordon to be great because I just do, but I’m worried that he needs a Kind of love/hate coach to bring that out of him. I think Chet was maybe that but he’s gone. 🙁
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: stunted on December 15, 2020, 11:44:05 PM
He's only played 11 minutes :dunno:

ok so he's amazing :love:
Title: Re: Laverne and Shirley game thread started at the under 4 timeout of the first half
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2020, 11:56:23 PM
He's only played 11 minutes :dunno:

ok so he's amazing :love:

For sure