goemaw.com

TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: yoga-like_abana on December 04, 2020, 09:33:49 AM

Title: Cats up Horns down
Post by: yoga-like_abana on December 04, 2020, 09:33:49 AM
Let's talk about texas baby lets talk about you and me..

and I thought we had a crap show going on..  Down two captains that are opting out, ehlinger throwin' shade to his coach.. do we have a slight ray of hope?

lets talk about it here :whornsdown:
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: PurpleOil on December 04, 2020, 10:02:09 AM
Slight ray of hope... maybe.

In all honesty though, I think this is going to look like the WVU game for us.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Gooch on December 04, 2020, 10:12:41 AM
This game is going to be ugly for the Cats.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 04, 2020, 10:15:43 AM
Cakewalk. Cats by 40.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on December 04, 2020, 10:28:12 AM
its no secret herman's seat is oh so toasty...and if we're being completely honest with ourselves, the outcome of the game tomorrow probably won't make any difference, and this is probably his last dance. The season has been in a freefall, and everyone in the program knows its time to move on. Since herman won't be comin around here no more, there is only one question we need ask ourselves: Is Tom petty? Would he intentionally throw a game just as a final eff you to UT? If the answer to that question is no...if he won't back down...then tomorrow's game will probably be a heartbreaker for the fans of the purples. I guess we'll just have to wait to see what happens...and that's the hardest part.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: pissclams on December 04, 2020, 10:45:36 AM
bac   :eek:
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MadCat on December 04, 2020, 11:57:14 AM
Tom Petty
 :D
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: wetwillie on December 04, 2020, 12:25:52 PM
It’s a winnable game if they choose to use Will Howard as a running QB. If we try to use him any other way it’s a 3 TD loss.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: cas4ksu on December 04, 2020, 01:10:11 PM
its no secret herman's seat is oh so toasty...and if we're being completely honest with ourselves, the outcome of the game tomorrow probably won't make any difference, and this is probably his last dance. The season has been in a freefall, and everyone in the program knows its time to move on. Since herman won't be comin around here no more, there is only one question we need ask ourselves: Is Tom petty? Would he intentionally throw a game just as a final eff you to UT? If the answer to that question is no...if he won't back down...then tomorrow's game will probably be a heartbreaker for the fans of the purples. I guess we'll just have to wait to see what happens...and that's the hardest part.

BIG stuff from BIG APPLE CAT right there. Really good work out of him right there on that.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: KST8FAN on December 04, 2020, 01:29:22 PM
SE: Ahead of Final Game, Lewis Looks Back on 14 Years of “First Downs" http://kstatesports.com//news/2020/12/4/sports-extra-se-ahead-of-final-game-lewis-looks-back-on-14-years-of-first-downs.aspx

Win one for the PA guy enough motivation?


Tom

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: KST8FAN on December 04, 2020, 01:53:29 PM
On the clone scale of 1-5 star culture where is UT coming into this game, and where are we at now?


Tom

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on December 04, 2020, 02:07:45 PM
its no secret herman's seat is oh so toasty...and if we're being completely honest with ourselves, the outcome of the game tomorrow probably won't make any difference, and this is probably his last dance. The season has been in a freefall, and everyone in the program knows its time to move on. Since herman won't be comin around here no more, there is only one question we need ask ourselves: Is Tom petty? Would he intentionally throw a game just as a final eff you to UT? If the answer to that question is no...if he won't back down...then tomorrow's game will probably be a heartbreaker for the fans of the purples. I guess we'll just have to wait to see what happens...and that's the hardest part.

BIG stuff from BIG APPLE CAT right there. Really good work out of him right there on that.

thank you and happy belated
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: yoga-like_abana on December 04, 2020, 02:12:13 PM
On the clone scale of 1-5 star culture where is UT coming into this game, and where are we at now?


Tom

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk
to put it into perspective if we were twins we'd be Danny DeVito and they would be Arnold Schwarzenegger
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: cas4ksu on December 04, 2020, 02:17:34 PM
its no secret herman's seat is oh so toasty...and if we're being completely honest with ourselves, the outcome of the game tomorrow probably won't make any difference, and this is probably his last dance. The season has been in a freefall, and everyone in the program knows its time to move on. Since herman won't be comin around here no more, there is only one question we need ask ourselves: Is Tom petty? Would he intentionally throw a game just as a final eff you to UT? If the answer to that question is no...if he won't back down...then tomorrow's game will probably be a heartbreaker for the fans of the purples. I guess we'll just have to wait to see what happens...and that's the hardest part.

BIG stuff from BIG APPLE CAT right there. Really good work out of him right there on that.

thank you and happy belated

Thank YOU!

 :blush:
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 04, 2020, 03:04:26 PM
It'll all work out
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: cas4ksu on December 04, 2020, 03:14:26 PM
I think we will make it competitive. I could see Texas coming in beyond ready for this season to be done with and mailing it in.

I wouldn't blame them for not wanting to lace up for that clown Herman.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: GregKSU1027 on December 04, 2020, 05:00:57 PM
cats by 3


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: WillieWatanabe on December 04, 2020, 05:45:08 PM
i have a good feeling about this one
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: KITNfury on December 04, 2020, 06:52:17 PM
i have a good feeling about this one
I couldn't have a good feeling about any game at this point unless it was a KU level team we were playing.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: kashi1965 on December 05, 2020, 08:51:50 AM
we can't move the ball against air and UT has a salty defense especially the DL. I dont see how the Cats score unless its all special teams
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Brock Landers on December 05, 2020, 10:35:11 AM
Hey guys, remember the good old days when we used to routinely kick the crap out of Texas?  How about if we start doing that again?  I know this season doesn't really count but I woke up today and thought how nice it would be if we won today.  Go Cats.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 11:04:18 AM
I’m not going to be upset about the outcome of this game

I’m not going to be upset about the outcome of this game

I’m not going to be upset about the outcome of this game
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 11:05:11 AM
Interesting that some of the ESPN commentators picked KSU by 3!
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: bucket on December 05, 2020, 11:07:16 AM
https://twitter.com/DYoungRivals/status/1335268103253610497

I enjoyed him
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 11:08:04 AM
3 and out to start the game. Woo
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: bucket on December 05, 2020, 11:08:55 AM
I’m not going to be upset about the outcome of this game

I’m not going to be upset about the outcome of this game

I’m not going to be upset about the outcome of this game

I hope we give Gus a reason to be excited.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Pete on December 05, 2020, 11:09:41 AM
I don't think a single national commentator who picked us to win knows about our QB situation.  It's just lazy predictions.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: CHONGS on December 05, 2020, 11:11:30 AM
This is going to be ugly isn't it
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 11:12:12 AM
This is going to be ugly isn't it

Very. We can't move the ball and forgot how to tackle.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: KITNfury on December 05, 2020, 11:13:59 AM
Defense looking stout.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Pete on December 05, 2020, 11:14:47 AM
GOOD NEWS!  Before the sun goes down today, the Jake Rubley era at Kansas State begins!   :ksu:
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 11:16:47 AM
This is going to be ugly isn't it

Yes, yes it is.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: goCats101 on December 05, 2020, 11:17:29 AM
Defense looks slow and small
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 11:19:32 AM
Defense looks slow and small

Might be because we're slow and small. Could be wrong though
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: DaBigTrain on December 05, 2020, 11:20:56 AM
We don’t look like a very good football team.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: bucket on December 05, 2020, 11:21:17 AM
Nice accuracy by Will Howard there!
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Brock Landers on December 05, 2020, 11:22:05 AM
LMAO
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 11:22:44 AM
Hit the official, then hit the upright. That's going to be how this whole game is going to go.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: wiley on December 05, 2020, 11:24:12 AM
I feel like Will hitting the ref in the head and a doink is a great example of the second half of the season.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Purple Derpathy on December 05, 2020, 11:24:51 AM
We look like a bag of ass
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 11:25:22 AM
Nice accuracy by Will Howard there!

I was wrong, I already am upset. Mess is going to keep making Will throw it.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 11:27:25 AM
Serious question: why do we not actually tackle anymore? I see so many guys just throwing a shoulder but not actually wrapping up and bringing players down.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 11:30:45 AM
It’s what those in the industry call giving up on the season.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 11:31:16 AM
GOOD NEWS!  Before the sun goes down today, the Jake Rubley era at Kansas State begins!   :ksu:

Going to a bowl game tho
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: bucket on December 05, 2020, 11:32:53 AM
 :buh-bye:
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 11:33:04 AM
This game is about to be over in the first quarter.

Will Howard is complete crap.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 11:33:14 AM
Nice accuracy by Will Howard there!

I was wrong, I already am upset. Mess is going to keep making Will throw it.

If he doesn't throw the occasional pass we'll be three and out literally every drive. They just need to pull him. Nice int, Will.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: goCats101 on December 05, 2020, 11:33:29 AM
45-0 coming up
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 11:33:55 AM
Gus sounds broken
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: KITNfury on December 05, 2020, 11:34:00 AM
I'm debating turning it off now.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 11:36:00 AM
Nice accuracy by Will Howard there!

I was wrong, I already am upset. Mess is going to keep making Will throw it.

If he doesn't throw the occasional pass we'll be three and out literally every drive. They just need to pull him. Nice int, Will.

Yea probably, it’s a real lose lose situation. 
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Pete on December 05, 2020, 11:36:46 AM
GOOD NEWS!  Before the sun goes down today, the Jake Rubley era at Kansas State begins!   :ksu:

Going to a bowl game tho

 :sdeek: Surely not if we lose thing game?  Losing record in conference and overall gets a bowl game?!?!?
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 11:37:22 AM
Nice accuracy by Will Howard there!

I was wrong, I already am upset. Mess is going to keep making Will throw it.

If he doesn't throw the occasional pass we'll be three and out literally every drive. They just need to pull him. Nice int, Will.

Yea probably, it’s a real lose lose situation.

I wouldn't have him throw another pass down the middle of the field, just bombs away on the outside.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 11:40:07 AM
GOOD NEWS!  Before the sun goes down today, the Jake Rubley era at Kansas State begins!   :ksu:

Going to a bowl game tho

 :sdeek: Surely not if we lose thing game?  Losing record in conference and overall gets a bowl game?!?!?

Everyone is bowl eligible this year and the plan going into today was to play in the Guaranteed Rate Bowl (Arizona) with a win and possibly the Armed Forces Bowl or whatever they are calling the bowl in Ft. Worth with a loss.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 11:43:04 AM
How about that :excited:
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 11:44:18 AM
Look at the homie Deuce getting Gus excited!
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: CHONGS on December 05, 2020, 11:44:27 AM
Goddamn he's good
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 11:46:18 AM
Oh man Duece, those were some dirty cuts!!!
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 11:47:07 AM
If we get a capable QB, he'll be an all timer. He's quicker than Darren as a freshman although Darren was twice as strong.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: CHONGS on December 05, 2020, 11:47:48 AM
If we get a capable QB, he'll be an all timer. He's quicker than Darren as a freshman although Darren was twice as strong.
Could you imagine him with Ell or even CK? Nasty
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 11:48:35 AM
That second cut was on Barry Sanders level
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: zackole1 on December 05, 2020, 11:49:43 AM
will texas punt today????
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 11:50:40 AM
The last three quarters of defensive football have to be the worst in the country. :Yuck:
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 11:54:24 AM
Fletcher is maybe worse than Alex Hrebec
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: CHONGS on December 05, 2020, 11:54:30 AM
The defense is atrocious.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: kashi1965 on December 05, 2020, 11:56:51 AM
The last three quarters of defensive football have to be the worst in the country. :Yuck:
what has happened? the LBs have struggled all year which explains the terrible run defense but the pass defense was solid most of the year. i think other teams figured out how to attack our LBs in passing situations. they offset our pass rush with quick passes and our LBs are very slow in open space.
the DL has got manhandled a lot lately
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Hurricane Cat on December 05, 2020, 11:58:59 AM
what kind of call was that on third and three  :'bye cruel world:
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 11:59:21 AM
Hahahaha 3rd and 3 and we take a 10 yard sack.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Cire on December 05, 2020, 12:00:03 PM
That was awful will, good god


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: kashi1965 on December 05, 2020, 12:01:41 PM
it appears they are trying to get Howard some experience instead of trying to win the game. 3rd and 3 with Howard as your QB should be 2 straight runs for a first down. why would you let him drop back with a true freshman LT blocking a NFL draft pick?
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 12:03:59 PM
The last three quarters of defensive football have to be the worst in the country. :Yuck:
what has happened? the LBs have struggled all year which explains the terrible run defense but the pass defense was solid most of the year. i think other teams figured out how to attack our LBs in passing situations. they offset our pass rush with quick passes and our LBs are very slow in open space.
the DL has got manhandled a lot lately


you had it nailed until the last sentence, those huge runs aren't on the dline, you can blame the LBs for that too. The undoing seemed to be when the Baylor coaches figured out that they shouldn't do anything more than three step drop backs. If the pass rushers are the only thing worth respecting then just eliminate them from the equation.

The secondary has been demolished by COVID, injuries, and transfers. No Eko Island today.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Purple Derpathy on December 05, 2020, 12:04:38 PM
If we get a capable QB, he'll be an all timer. He's quicker than Darren as a freshman although Darren was twice as strong.

Uh, he wasn't nor will he ever be as quick as Sproles. Don't get me wrong, he's as close as you can probably get but Sproles had elite quickness we didn't get to see on display as much because studs such as Scobey, Cartwright, and even Roberson all going to run the ball before true freshman, Sproles.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 12:04:48 PM
Pretty terrible play call with deuce running like he is.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Trim on December 05, 2020, 12:07:30 PM
I’d like to see KSU line up one of the elderly fans on the sideline at the Texas goal line and ask him to walk to the KSU goal line starting at the same time Texas receives a kickoff and see who gets to the KSU end zone first.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Brock Landers on December 05, 2020, 12:07:35 PM
The defense is like a sieve made out of pillow material.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: CHONGS on December 05, 2020, 12:08:24 PM
Texas's punter might as well not have travelled.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 12:09:51 PM
I can't believe I'm going to say this, we're going to lose, and it's only going to be partially Howard's fault.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: chum1 on December 05, 2020, 12:10:03 PM
ANTONYMS FOR stout

thin
lean
skinny
slight
afraid
timid
underweight
weak
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: KITNfury on December 05, 2020, 12:11:34 PM
I know a bowl is good for practice and stuff but holy crap I don't want to suffer watching this dog crap again.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 12:14:13 PM
God dammit Howard. Take off your jersey and transfer to another school
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 12:14:26 PM
If we get a capable QB, he'll be an all timer. He's quicker than Darren as a freshman although Darren was twice as strong.

Uh, he wasn't nor will he ever be as quick as Sproles. Don't get me wrong, he's as close as you can probably get but Sproles had elite quickness we didn't get to see on display as much because studs such as Scobey, Cartwright, and even Roberson all going to run the ball before true freshman, Sproles.

I love Darren Sproles more than any athlete that has walked this planet. If he was as electric as Deuce as a freshman, he wouldn't have gotten the same number of carries as Danny Morris. Darren got quicker, faster, and stronger every year he was here, that's an incredible complement and testament to his work ethic.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 12:14:45 PM
lol Will
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: KITNfury on December 05, 2020, 12:14:55 PM
ANTONYMS FOR stout

thin
lean
skinny
slight
afraid
timid
underweight
weak
Plenty of known dumbasses told me repeatedly this defense was stout.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: zackole1 on December 05, 2020, 12:16:11 PM
I am almost 70 years old....seen alot of K-State football....alot...and I am having a hard time coming up with a worse Wildcat football game...ever!
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: I_have_purplewood on December 05, 2020, 12:16:51 PM
At this point the only reason I'm watching is to see if Howard comes back for our next possession.  :dunno: (ftp://:dunno:)
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Trim on December 05, 2020, 12:17:45 PM
I think the pac 12 has like 2-3 bowl partners that are still holding their games. Does 4-6 KSU get a bowl game over .500+ teams because the big 12’s bowl partners give no fucks?
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 12:20:54 PM
Will has made the best throws I've seen all year from him this game!
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 12:21:27 PM
I think the pac 12 has like 2-3 bowl partners that are still holding their games. Does 4-6 KSU get a bowl game over .500+ teams because the big 12’s bowl partners give no fucks?

My guess is that they anticipate a lot of teams just shutting down. They are also seeking bowls outside of the Big 12 partnerships. I know that three bowls have decided not to go since they've been lobbying to get in one, that can't help.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 12:23:21 PM
I am almost 70 years old....seen alot of K-State football....alot...and I am having a hard time coming up with a worse Wildcat football game...ever!

The Iowa State game was much worse. They legitimately could have scored 80 if they wanted and we never were going to score.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 12:24:08 PM
Offense has a pulse this game!
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 12:24:47 PM
Since they covered this guys leg with towels, I'm guessing he has a compound fracture. I was considering rewinding to see what happened but now I'll pass.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 12:25:14 PM
A defensive stop!
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 12:25:18 PM
Stop by the defense!
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 12:25:34 PM
A defensive stop!
:cheers:
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: GregKSU1027 on December 05, 2020, 12:25:45 PM
Big time compound fracture.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Trim on December 05, 2020, 12:26:12 PM
I think the pac 12 has like 2-3 bowl partners that are still holding their games. Does 4-6 KSU get a bowl game over .500+ teams because the big 12’s bowl partners give no fucks?

My guess is that they anticipate a lot of teams just shutting down. They are also seeking bowls outside of the Big 12 partnerships. I know that three bowls have decided not to go since they've been lobbying to get in one, that can't help.

Well I hope we get one because it’ll keep both the total and non-con games relatively aligned for the RP record comparison tracker despite all the scheduling quirks this year.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 12:30:56 PM
I think the pac 12 has like 2-3 bowl partners that are still holding their games. Does 4-6 KSU get a bowl game over .500+ teams because the big 12’s bowl partners give no fucks?

My guess is that they anticipate a lot of teams just shutting down. They are also seeking bowls outside of the Big 12 partnerships. I know that three bowls have decided not to go since they've been lobbying to get in one, that can't help.

Well I hope we get one because it’ll keep both the total and non-con games relatively aligned for the RP record comparison tracker despite all the scheduling quirks this year.

Okay cool, hook em'
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 12:31:10 PM
Also, this is the most ridiculous talent gap we've seen this year. Not a surprise but my god their WR's look like they could start at tackle for us
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 12:33:09 PM
Malik has had a good two weeks
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 12:34:58 PM
Malik has had a good two weeks

Yea he has really shown out
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 05, 2020, 12:35:57 PM
We’re going to win this game.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 12:36:26 PM
Very good drive by Will.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: TheHamburglar on December 05, 2020, 12:37:15 PM
Not replaying gruesome injuries has been a good step for Fox.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: CHONGS on December 05, 2020, 12:37:20 PM
Deuce makes me wet.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: chum1 on December 05, 2020, 12:38:41 PM
Sonehow only down by two touchdowns.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: KITNfury on December 05, 2020, 12:38:47 PM
Dear lord, please let Rubley be good so I can watch him and Deuce shred defenses.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 12:39:22 PM
We’re going to win this game.

Get a stop  :ROFL: and we should cut the lead to 7 in the third quarter.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 12:41:25 PM
Can we just skip the 3rd quarter?
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 12:42:12 PM
Holy crap!
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: TheHamburglar on December 05, 2020, 12:44:04 PM
I don’t think it’s fair to compare Deuce to Sproles. Sproles did stuff I don’t think I’ll ever see in person again. I know I shouldn’t try to project a true freshman to what Sproles was as a junior, but today I can’t help it. Deuce is starting to play faster than he did 2 months ago. He has the potential to be just as productive as Darren was.

I think Darren will always be #1 in my mind because nostalgia, but I’m starting to shift from hoping Deuce can become to 1B to thinking he has a better than 50/50 shot at becoming 1B.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 12:44:26 PM
Why burn the timeout if you're just going to run out the clock???
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: chum1 on December 05, 2020, 12:44:46 PM
Dumb end to half. Throw deep!
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: wiley on December 05, 2020, 12:50:22 PM
Why burn the timeout if you're just going to run out the clock???
I think if they got a decent return it would've been played different.  But Will's turnovers are a real problem ans being that backed up in UT territory it's not worth the risk.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 05, 2020, 12:51:57 PM
We’re going to win this game.

Get a stop  :ROFL: and we should cut the lead to 7 in the third quarter.
:pray:
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 12:52:23 PM
Why burn the timeout if you're just going to run out the clock???

To force them to punt. Again with the short memories from y'all.

Dumb end to half. Throw deep!

72 yards away with 30 seconds no timeouts and a mistake prone true freshman. There isn't a coach in the world trying to push the issue there.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: GregKSU1027 on December 05, 2020, 01:01:03 PM
I think running the clock out was smart, Klieman was banking on a return. Taking a shot there and throwing a pick would have taken the wind out of our sails.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 01:07:19 PM
YEESH
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: CHONGS on December 05, 2020, 01:07:26 PM
Lol

So bad
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 01:10:17 PM
Also, Herman should definitely be fired. My god, how did they lose to TCU with these players
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 01:10:40 PM
Wow, this is a high school defense.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 01:14:48 PM
OL and offense overall have really played OK outside of the TO's. Best we've looked with Will by far.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 01:17:15 PM
I am very happy for Malik and hope you all feel bad about the mean things you said about him.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 01:17:15 PM
Also, Herman should definitely be fired. My god, how did they lose to TCU with these players

ISU and OU games were pretty awful coaching too
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: CHONGS on December 05, 2020, 01:17:25 PM
Defense has to try to stop being shitty
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 01:19:22 PM
Defense has to try to stop being shitty
Did I see correctly that Sullivan started at safety???? I missed the start of the game
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 01:19:32 PM
I think you onside kick here
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 01:20:35 PM
Why do we not want to win
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: CHONGS on December 05, 2020, 01:20:37 PM
JFC
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 01:21:17 PM
Great job by Thomas sweeping the leg
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 01:21:48 PM
Is this what it's like when the football gods hate you?
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: TheHamburglar on December 05, 2020, 01:21:54 PM
Defense has to try to stop being shitty
Did I see correctly that Sullivan started at safety???? I missed the start of the game

Correct.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: sys on December 05, 2020, 01:22:27 PM
100 point game.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 01:22:36 PM
I think you onside kick here

good call
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 01:23:01 PM
texas athletes are just unreal
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Cire on December 05, 2020, 01:25:32 PM
Beebe and Poitier are really good guards


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 01:27:07 PM
Beebe and Poitier are really good guards


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Put Warner at center and let’s rough ridin' maul people
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Hurricane Cat on December 05, 2020, 01:30:58 PM
That might have been the best play I've seen Howard make this season; stepped up into the pocket instead of throwing off his back foot
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: CHONGS on December 05, 2020, 01:31:31 PM
This L is on the d and sts.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: sys on December 05, 2020, 01:32:00 PM
i'm just going to root for both offenses for the rest of the game.  no point in fighting it.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 01:33:17 PM
Nancy Neg- the defense is prince era bad right now
Peggy Po- this previously moribund offense marching up and down the field on UT will absolutely infuriate the Texas boosters and this win will feel like a giant L, out with Herman.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Hurricane Cat on December 05, 2020, 01:36:13 PM
i'm just going to root for both offenses for the rest of the game.  no point in fighting it.

Agreed  :cheers:
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 01:37:21 PM
Defense has to try to stop being shitty
Did I see correctly that Sullivan started at safety???? I missed the start of the game

Correct.

And he got hurt on that drive and hasn't been back since. This is a horrendous performance but I don't think they have any more than like 30 defenders dressed.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: KITNfury on December 05, 2020, 01:37:26 PM
You only get to fire one coordinator, which one do you choose?
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Cire on December 05, 2020, 01:38:09 PM
Klando jfc


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: HELLHAMMER on December 05, 2020, 01:39:01 PM
Cats defense is soooooo sloooooow
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: chum1 on December 05, 2020, 01:39:23 PM
This game is exactly what I expect in a covid season.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 01:40:01 PM
This L is on the d and sts.

Seriously, why do we have no one that can stop them?
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: CHONGS on December 05, 2020, 01:41:13 PM
How bad must D2 coaches be for a total rummy like Klieman to dominate? The whole staff is lost at this level.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: TheHamburglar on December 05, 2020, 01:41:17 PM
Defense has to try to stop being shitty
Did I see correctly that Sullivan started at safety???? I missed the start of the game

Correct.

And he got hurt on that drive and hasn't been back since. This is a horrendous performance but I don't think they have any more than like 30 defenders dressed.

I forgot. I was coming here to ask why Henry was playing safety, but Fletcher was still at LB.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: TheHamburglar on December 05, 2020, 01:42:09 PM
Has Daniel Green not played today? Is he out? Has the been mentioned anywhere?
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 01:42:29 PM
This game is exactly what I expect in a covid season.
Yeah it feels right. I feel like we're a turnover from making it a game
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 01:44:58 PM
This game is exactly what I expect in a covid season.
Yeah it feels right. I feel like we're a turnover from making it a game
Welp the punt ended that fantasy
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 01:45:15 PM
Has Daniel Green not played today? Is he out? Has the been mentioned anywhere?

I saw him in the first half
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 01:45:35 PM
This game is exactly what I expect in a covid season.
Yeah it feels right. I feel like we're a turnover from making it a game
Welp the punt ended that fantasy

That was idiotic
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 01:46:00 PM
Is Macpherson out too?
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 01:47:04 PM
Klando jfc


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Do y'all not think the actual talent matters at all?
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 01:47:29 PM
This game is exactly what I expect in a covid season.
Yeah it feels right. I feel like we're a turnover from making it a game
Welp the punt ended that fantasy

That was idiotic
The punt or me thinking we could make it a game?
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 01:48:02 PM
Is Macpherson out too?

He's playing
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 01:48:23 PM
We've got to recruit better athletes if we're ever going to win this conference again
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 01:48:38 PM
This game is exactly what I expect in a covid season.
Yeah it feels right. I feel like we're a turnover from making it a game
Welp the punt ended that fantasy

That was idiotic
The punt or me thinking we could make it a game?

The punt, I don't think I've ever called you an idiot.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 01:50:21 PM
Oh my god, young fella just stopped
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Hurricane Cat on December 05, 2020, 01:51:25 PM
Is Macpherson out too?

He's playing

Heard during halftime he wasn't going to return. . .
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 01:53:52 PM
This game is exactly what I expect in a covid season.
Yeah it feels right. I feel like we're a turnover from making it a game
Welp the punt ended that fantasy

That was idiotic
The punt or me thinking we could make it a game?

The punt, I don't think I've ever called you an idiot.
It wasn't my smartest take, to be sure
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: wiley on December 05, 2020, 01:55:38 PM
2 straight games we've give up 28 points in a quarter.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: CHONGS on December 05, 2020, 01:57:13 PM
Time to sit Deuce... Don't take a stupid chance
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 01:57:13 PM
2 straight games we've give up 28 points in a quarter.
Huh?
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 01:58:33 PM
There's the Will we know and love.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 01:58:48 PM
rough ridin' Howard
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Hurricane Cat on December 05, 2020, 01:59:04 PM
2 straight games we've give up 28 points in a quarter.
Huh?

2 out of 3
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 01:59:38 PM
Time to sit Deuce... Don't take a stupid chance

I was thinking the same thing, I'm sure there are people pissed he isn't getting every carry.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 01:59:43 PM
Jesus... What the hell has happened to our defense!?!?!?

This is KU levels of inept
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: TheHamburglar on December 05, 2020, 02:00:09 PM
Put Elder in, he immediately let’s WR get behind him for an easy TD.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 02:00:22 PM
I think that was Ross Elder's first play in the game.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: goCats101 on December 05, 2020, 02:00:49 PM
Only watching to see Deuce play
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: wiley on December 05, 2020, 02:00:51 PM
2 straight games we've give up 28 points in a quarter.
Huh?

2 out of 3
Right, i completely forgot we sandwiched Baylor in there, my bad.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: sys on December 05, 2020, 02:01:01 PM
in some ways a quick turnover is more efficient at scoring the ball than a long drive.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 02:01:05 PM
2 straight games we've give up 28 points in a quarter.
Huh?

2 out of 3
Jokes on you, we gave up 35 this quarter
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 02:01:30 PM
Jesus... What the hell has happened to our defense!?!?!?

This is KU levels of inept

We have like 8 players, are you watching?
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: wiley on December 05, 2020, 02:02:29 PM
2 straight games we've give up 28 points in a quarter.
Huh?

2 out of 3
Jokes on you, we gave up 35 this quarter
Indeed it is
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: I_have_purplewood on December 05, 2020, 02:04:21 PM
At this point the only reason I'm watching is to see if Howard comes back for our next possession.  :dunno: (ftp://:dunno:)

Now I'm only watching to see if Howard finishes the game.  Oh and to see if they score 80 points.   :billdance: (ftp://:billdance:)
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 02:05:14 PM
If the defense is this decimated I don't get playing in a bowl.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 02:07:33 PM
If the defense is this decimated I don't get playing in a bowl.

Who is out for us on D? EBD couldn’t go to today, who else?
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: TheHamburglar on December 05, 2020, 02:08:13 PM
I think that was Ross Elder's first play in the game.

He put his hands on the WR 8 yards downfield, let’s the WR run by him & just stands there. I know I don’t know the coverage called, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a safety literally touch the WR then just stand there while the WR runs straight down field like he’s passing the WR off to another safety directly behind him.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Hurricane Cat on December 05, 2020, 02:13:52 PM
I think that was Ross Elder's first play in the game.

He put his hands on the WR 8 yards downfield, let’s the WR run by him & just stands there. I know I don’t know the coverage called, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a safety literally touch the WR then just stand there while the WR runs straight down field like he’s passing the WR off to another safety directly behind him.

Elder was in to whiff on the TX tight end score as well.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: KITNfury on December 05, 2020, 02:14:24 PM
Good call, 4th down and shortish, let's put it in Wills hands.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 02:15:01 PM
God damn you Howard! You needed a half yard and instead found a way to lose two.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 02:15:56 PM
And then can't hit a wide open Duece
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 02:17:15 PM
Lol at getting mad at Will Howard today
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 02:18:47 PM
Will should have young gotten the 1st on third down but that 4th down play call was amateurish.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: KITNfury on December 05, 2020, 02:18:56 PM
Lol at getting mad at Will Howard today
I'm mad at everyone except Malik and Deuce.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Pete on December 05, 2020, 02:19:32 PM
Lol at getting mad at Will Howard today

He's not extra-shitty, he's just is usual shitty.  Is that what you mean?
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 02:19:58 PM
Lol at getting mad at Will Howard today

Yeah, he's had some wtf moments, otherwise he's been fine.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 02:20:05 PM
Lol at getting mad at Will Howard today
I'm mad at everyone except Malik and Deuce.

Entire offense honestly played well.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 02:20:11 PM
Jesus... What the hell has happened to our defense!?!?!?

This is KU levels of inept

We have like 8 players, are you watching?

Unfortunately, haven't missed a snap
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 02:20:42 PM
Lol at getting mad at Will Howard today
I'm mad at everyone except Malik and Deuce.

Pretty much
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 02:21:04 PM
Lol at getting mad at Will Howard today

He's not extra-shitty, he's just is usual shitty.  Is that what you mean?
It's been his best game!
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: KITNfury on December 05, 2020, 02:21:21 PM
Lol at getting mad at Will Howard today
I'm mad at everyone except Malik and Deuce.

Entire offense honestly played well.
Turnovers are the biggest plays of a game outside of TDs.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 02:21:33 PM
Lol at getting mad at Will Howard today

He's not extra-shitty, he's just is usual shitty.  Is that what you mean?

I think he means that it's impressive that with his limitations he led the offense to 31 points in 3 quarters.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 02:22:14 PM
Lol at getting mad at Will Howard today
I'm mad at everyone except Malik and Deuce.

Entire offense honestly played well.
Turnovers are the biggest plays of a game outside of TDs.

  :ROFL: this is a joke right?
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 02:23:17 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Pete on December 05, 2020, 02:24:00 PM
Nice!

Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: chum1 on December 05, 2020, 02:24:25 PM
Personally, I ignore the Howard talk because it's all pretty dumb. He's not bad for a true freshman. Probably even good.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 02:25:56 PM
Nice!

Nice
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Pete on December 05, 2020, 02:26:06 PM
Personally, I ignore the Howard talk because it's all pretty dumb. He's not bad for a true freshman. Probably even good.

I think you are probably wrong.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: PurpleOil on December 05, 2020, 02:26:43 PM
Personally, I ignore the Howard talk because it's all pretty dumb. He's not bad for a true freshman. Probably even good.

He has more interceptions than touchdowns. Throw in total turnovers that he's caused and it starts looking real bad
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Spracne on December 05, 2020, 02:30:16 PM
TEXAS
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 02:32:32 PM
Personally, I ignore the Howard talk because it's all pretty dumb. He's not bad for a true freshman. Probably even good.

He has more interceptions than touchdowns. Throw in total turnovers that he's caused and it starts looking real bad

I don't think his ratio for a true freshman qb on a middle-of-the pack team is that bad.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: I_have_purplewood on December 05, 2020, 02:33:27 PM
Lol at getting mad at Will Howard today

He's not extra-shitty, he's just is usual shitty.  Is that what you mean?

I think he means that it's impressive that with his limitations he led the offense to 31 points in 3 quarters.

I think this is definitely a better way to phrase it.  I was just honestly curious how Klieman was going to handle his tournover issues and if he was going to get Ast some more playing time.  If you're going to go with him he should definitely continue to throw the ball.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: bucket on December 05, 2020, 02:36:15 PM
Personally, I ignore the Howard talk because it's all pretty dumb. He's not bad for a true freshman. Probably even good.

He has more interceptions than touchdowns. Throw in total turnovers that he's caused and it starts looking real bad

I don't think his ratio for a true freshman qb on a middle-of-the pack team is that bad.

So does LSU's freshman that they had to thrust in
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: TheHamburglar on December 05, 2020, 02:38:30 PM
Brock Monty out there on D now. Has he regressed so much that even when available he behind Elder, which they benched to convert Sullivan to S in 1 week.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Cire on December 05, 2020, 02:48:13 PM
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1335324091432177667?s=21


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: chum1 on December 05, 2020, 02:49:08 PM
Lol stout
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 05, 2020, 02:52:06 PM
Cakewalk. Cats by 40.


i rough ridin' told you clowns
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: WillieWatanabe on December 05, 2020, 02:56:36 PM
well i was wrong. whoops
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Cire on December 05, 2020, 03:02:31 PM
I get the “lots of starters out”, “lost to transfer portal” “covid” etc

But the absolute collapse of the defense is worse than all that.

We’ve seen untalented defense get beat because they can’t make a play. This has been completely different. Absolutely quit/gave up.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 05, 2020, 03:08:23 PM
TEXAS


missing u, plz come visit when life returns to normal
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 03:11:25 PM
I get the “lots of starters out”, “lost to transfer portal” “covid” etc

But the absolute collapse of the defense is worse than all that.

We’ve seen untalented defense get beat because they can’t make a play. This has been completely different. Absolutely quit/gave up.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

TBH who the hell cares if someone quits on D when they've given up 60 points through three quarters

but still, it's all depth and talent
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Spracne on December 05, 2020, 03:15:40 PM
TEXAS


missing u, plz come visit when life returns to normal

Sorry, the answer we were looking for was "FIGHT!"
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 03:16:34 PM
How does someone asses when someone else quits? Why can't it be that they're just shitty? Does the quitting stop and start? Like did they quit against Iowa State, then unquit in the first half against Baylor, only to quit again in the second half while they were leading?
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 03:25:39 PM
What was the talent difference between last year and this year on defense?
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: Brock Landers on December 05, 2020, 03:39:10 PM
That was a Tibesar-esque performance on defense today.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 03:42:33 PM
What was the talent difference between last year and this year on defense?

I think they're missing three starters. The larger issue is what the two deep looks like now as opposed to what it did this summer, then again after the KU game. They lost 3 d lineman and 4 out of the secondary to the portal alone. The injuries and COVID stuff is a lot harder to track, but Joel Klatt mentioned how many players we've had who have missed 2-3 weeks with COVID. I think the initial lack of depth also is relevant when you're having a 5th year linebacker starting his senior day at safety.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 04:05:47 PM
It’s basically the same defense but Patton appears to have been our best linebacker by far last year.  Losing Hazelton really hurt.  No doubt our talent is crap but we aren’t exactly stacking our recruiting classes with instant impact studs. The staff not being able to properly manage Will Jones and Tyrone Lewis really sucks.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 04:13:57 PM
It’s basically the same defense but Patton appears to have been our best linebacker by far last year.  Losing Hazelton really hurt.  No doubt our talent is crap but we aren’t exactly stacking our recruiting classes with instant impact studs. The staff not being able to properly manage Will Jones and Tyrone Lewis really sucks.

goolsby was a pretty significant loss IMO. As a whole, so were Reggie Walker and Mittie and Dishon. The DL we have are pretty good players, but I think against Baylor especially you really saw how they needed to be rotating more.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 04:22:13 PM
Goolsby was terrible and we played Jonathan Durham significant snaps all last year. Khalid Duke is every bit as good as Reggie Walker and Wiley and Pickle are as good as Mittie and Dishon were.  Klandermen isn’t getting fired so we will get to see if he can adjust in year 2 but year one was a dumpster fire.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2020, 04:28:36 PM
Goolsby was terrible and we played Jonathan Durham significant snaps all last year. Khalid Duke is every bit as good as Reggie Walker and Wiley and Pickle are as good as Mittie and Dishon were.  Klandermen isn’t getting fired so we will get to see if he can adjust in year 2 but year one was a dumpster fire.

the first half of the year was outstanding. OSU was a very nice performance. 10 out of the last 12 quarters were a dumpster fire, to be sure, but overall it wasn't a disaster.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: sys on December 05, 2020, 04:34:44 PM
we should have just cancelled all of the games after ku and gone out like heroes.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 07:22:07 PM
It’s basically the same defense but Patton appears to have been our best linebacker by far last year.  Losing Hazelton really hurt.  No doubt our talent is crap but we aren’t exactly stacking our recruiting classes with instant impact studs. The staff not being able to properly manage Will Jones and Tyrone Lewis really sucks.

If your question was rhetorical, I wish you would have said so. I said we have 7 missing from the 2 deep, off the rip, without even accounting for injuries and COVID, but you ignored that and said it's basically the same defense. If you're sure that losing Hazelton hurt, can you explain to me the differences in schemes from this year to last as they relate to available personnel? I'm not nearly savvy enough about football to recognize that.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 07:41:19 PM
Goolsby was terrible and we played Jonathan Durham significant snaps all last year.

Goolsby was second on the team in tackles and interceptions. He was a 3 year starter who started every game last year and 33 for his career. I don't know what constitutes significant snaps but Durham was 17th on the defense on snaps played. He only played 9 games, one start, and that was at the nickel, not safety.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2020, 07:53:40 PM
Goolsby was terrible and we played Jonathan Durham significant snaps all last year.

Goolsby was second on the team in tackles and interceptions. He was a  3 year starter who started every game last year and 33 for his career. I don't know what constitutes significant snaps but Durham was 17th on the defense on snaps played. He only played 9 games, one start, and that was at the nickel, not safety.

Yea Wayne Jones played opposite Goolsby, which he has done again this year.  It’s basically sub J Mac for Goolsby and the same linebackers but Hughes for Patton.  I still don’t understand how TF they lost Will Jones to the portal, and couldn’t develop Tyrone Lewis enough to even get rotational depth, that feels like shooting our own foot off.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 08:04:18 PM
Goolsby was terrible and we played Jonathan Durham significant snaps all last year.

Goolsby was second on the team in tackles and interceptions. He was a  3 year starter who started every game last year and 33 for his career. I don't know what constitutes significant snaps but Durham was 17th on the defense on snaps played. He only played 9 games, one start, and that was at the nickel, not safety.

Yea Wayne Jones played opposite Goolsby, which he has done again this year.  It’s basically sub J Mac for Goolsby and the same linebackers but Hughes for Patton.  I still don’t understand how TF they lost Will Jones to the portal, and couldn’t develop Tyrone Lewis enough to even get rotational depth, that feels like shooting our own foot off.

J Mac is playing out of position because we don't have safeties. The Will Jones thing is baffling, no one really talked about it but of all of the portal guys, his story is the one I'm most interested in hearing, maybe he got tired of seeing Elder playing snaps.

I think year two, even in aa non COVID year is too early to make judgements about player development, especially for freshmen. That dude could have been out multiple times with COVID and contact tracing for all we know.
Title: Re: Cats up Horns down
Post by: kashi1965 on December 05, 2020, 10:26:26 PM
Goolsby was terrible and we played Jonathan Durham significant snaps all last year.

Goolsby was second on the team in tackles and interceptions. He was a  3 year starter who started every game last year and 33 for his career. I don't know what constitutes significant snaps but Durham was 17th on the defense on snaps played. He only played 9 games, one start, and that was at the nickel, not safety.

Yea Wayne Jones played opposite Goolsby, which he has done again this year.  It’s basically sub J Mac for Goolsby and the same linebackers but Hughes for Patton.  I still don’t understand how TF they lost Will Jones to the portal, and couldn’t develop Tyrone Lewis enough to even get rotational depth, that feels like shooting our own foot off.

J Mac is playing out of position because we don't have safeties. The Will Jones thing is baffling, no one really talked about it but of all of the portal guys, his story is the one I'm most interested in hearing, maybe he got tired of seeing Elder playing snaps.

I think year two, even in aa non COVID year is too early to make judgements about player development, especially for freshmen. That dude could have been out multiple times with COVID and contact tracing for all we know.
i watched wayne jones today and he was absolutely terrible all day. no wonder he lost his job. it helps explain how Elder could get playing time. the safety position might be the worst collection of talent of any position group since the 1980s.