Post by: deputy dawg on November 02, 2020, 05:33:06 AM
His story goes back a long time, but may be best remembered as the OU coach that coached the 1988 team that played KU for the national championship. Always wore double-breasted suits, and had a way to connect to players from a lower income demographic--I think he grew up poor himself. Made him a fantastic recruiter.
Did we have any coaches outside of Tom Asbury that regularly wore double-breasted suits?
Post by: steve dave on November 02, 2020, 07:45:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xotnfhDNUyE
Post by: stunted on November 02, 2020, 09:06:43 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 02, 2020, 09:54:32 AM
He had an incredible relationship with Norm Stewart. When Billy was hit by a car while jogging, Norm said he wished the car backed up and finished him off.
Post by: nicname on November 02, 2020, 10:06:28 AM
Post by: IPA4Me on November 02, 2020, 10:11:02 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 02, 2020, 10:18:14 AM
Loved me some Billy Ball. Grew up an OU fan. Didn't really go all-in on KSU until I was on campus in Fall 1989.
Me too, but replace 89 with 96!
Post by: star seed 7 on November 02, 2020, 10:55:09 AM
OU has always been the conference program I hate.
Post by: Brock Landers on November 02, 2020, 11:05:11 AM
Loved me some Billy Ball. Grew up an OU fan. Didn't really go all-in on KSU until I was on campus in Fall 1989.
Me too, but replace 89 with 96!
Me too, but replace 89 with 94!
Post by: 8manpick on November 02, 2020, 11:13:53 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 02, 2020, 12:07:49 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 02, 2020, 12:13:03 PM
I didn’t realize this board was so full of boomers!
I posted an Oklahoma specific video in the Christmas music thread and got nothing, it hurt my feelings.
Post by: ben ji on November 02, 2020, 12:42:25 PM
I didn’t realize this board was so full of boomers!
Wichita/Western KS has a surprising number of T-Shirt Boomer fans. I even have a western KS cousin who is named after an OU football player from the 70's :dunno:
Post by: michigancat on November 02, 2020, 01:28:30 PM
It isn't that surprising if you consider a lot of southern Kansas is closer to Norman than Manhattan and then factor in the level of success of each football program prior to Snyder. (Or even during and after Snyder).I didn’t realize this board was so full of boomers!
Wichita/Western KS has a surprising number of T-Shirt Boomer fans. I even have a western KS cousin who is named after an OU football player from the 70's :dunno:
Post by: IPA4Me on November 02, 2020, 02:39:31 PM
I didn’t realize this board was so full of boomers!I moved to KS in 1986 from OK. Grew up thinking I'd go to college in Norman. :)
Post by: Brock Landers on November 02, 2020, 02:50:59 PM
It isn't that surprising if you consider a lot of southern Kansas is closer to Norman than Manhattan and then factor in the level of success of each football program prior to Snyder. (Or even during and after Snyder).I didn’t realize this board was so full of boomers!
Wichita/Western KS has a surprising number of T-Shirt Boomer fans. I even have a western KS cousin who is named after an OU football player from the 70's :dunno:
That's exactly what it was. Growing up in southern Kansas in the 80's there were a few KU and KState fans because of basketball but as usual football was king so a lot of us were OU fans. I started following OU football in roughly 1984 and then they won a Natty in '85 so that solidified me as a hardcore little kid t shirt fan for almost the next decade.
Post by: 8manpick on November 02, 2020, 05:46:22 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on November 02, 2020, 06:27:28 PM
I thought the double meaning was obvious, but I was calling you geezers old!I'm choosing to ignore you calling me my dad's age.
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Post by: michigancat on November 02, 2020, 06:39:51 PM
I thought the double meaning was obvious, but I was calling you geezers old!
I was replying to Ben ji! :don'tcare:
Post by: 8manpick on November 02, 2020, 06:40:18 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 02, 2020, 06:40:44 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 02, 2020, 09:54:07 PM
I didn’t realize this board was so full of boomers!I moved to KS in 1986 from OK. Grew up thinking I'd go to college in Norman. :)
My parents moved me in '87. I spent a couple of hours last week sending my mother old Oklahoma City commercials like BC Clark, Paul Meade Insurance, Braum's with Earnest, and Linda Soundtrack.
BTW I went to the same church as the babysitter in Borat.
Post by: Woogy on November 03, 2020, 11:41:06 AM
I didn’t realize this board was so full of boomers!I moved to KS in 1986 from OK. Grew up thinking I'd go to college in Norman. :)
My parents moved me in '87. I spent a couple of hours last week sending my mother old Oklahoma City commercials like BC Clark, Paul Meade Insurance, Braum's with Earnest, and Linda Soundtrack.
BTW I went to the same church as the babysitter in Borat.
That is a blast from the past. Spammed the Wichita area also.
Post by: IPA4Me on November 03, 2020, 11:47:35 AM
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Post by: SleepFighter on November 03, 2020, 12:54:57 PM
My favorite Tubbs memory: after a 62-61 win quote headline in the Collegian: "I don't give a crap how good they are. We're going to beat the hell out of them in Norman."
Result in Norman: 67-63 Cats.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 03, 2020, 08:00:11 PM
Middle school me will never forgive him for losing to Danny and the Miracles in the championship game.
My favorite Tubbs memory: after a 62-61 win quote headline in the Collegian: "I don't give a crap how good they are. We're going to beat the hell out of them in Norman."
Result in Norman: 67-63 Cats.
Two days before my 11th birthday, we celebrated it the day of the final four and I had an OU birthday cake. I cried like a baby when OU lost.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 03, 2020, 08:01:00 PM
It was 1987 and it was late in our season. We were playing ou in Norman. Had to bus because of fog in Norman and okc. Got there like 3 hrs before game time. Did walk through in hotel ball room. Fast forward to 1:30 left in game and we’re down 10. ~:10 seconds left and we had cut it to 1. Our ball sideline in front of their bench. Bledsoe inbounded to me, bounce pass to Henson on the run and I still remember either Mookie or Seiger almost poked it away but didn’t. Steve penetrates middle and Mitch pops to left elbow where Steve kicks to him. He catches and elevates for the jumper. As the ball’s in the air I’m under the basket watching it come through to win 90-89 at the buzzer. As we’re finishing the on court celebration Steve and I slowly start heading to the lockerroom when we notice Tubbs coming at us with a purpose. He walks straight up to us and says “great win” and then grabs Steve by the front of his shirt on his chest and says....”Henson, You know what i love about you??” Steve says “uhhhhh no....”. Tubbs says “you’re and ornery little fker just like me!” Didnt crack a smile, turned away and walked off as quickly as he’d come. Never looked back. He was a funny guy and really brought the Big 8 a ton of exposure. The next season 5 of the top 17 picks were from the Big 8. It was a tough, tough, league.
Post by: Fedor on November 04, 2020, 08:50:02 AM
This was a great story from kso
It was 1987 and it was late in our season. We were playing ou in Norman. Had to bus because of fog in Norman and okc. Got there like 3 hrs before game time. Did walk through in hotel ball room. Fast forward to 1:30 left in game and we’re down 10. ~:10 seconds left and we had cut it to 1. Our ball sideline in front of their bench. Bledsoe inbounded to me, bounce pass to Henson on the run and I still remember either Mookie or Seiger almost poked it away but didn’t. Steve penetrates middle and Mitch pops to left elbow where Steve kicks to him. He catches and elevates for the jumper. As the ball’s in the air I’m under the basket watching it come through to win 90-89 at the buzzer. As we’re finishing the on court celebration Steve and I slowly start heading to the lockerroom when we notice Tubbs coming at us with a purpose. He walks straight up to us and says “great win” and then grabs Steve by the front of his shirt on his chest and says....”Henson, You know what i love about you??” Steve says “uhhhhh no....”. Tubbs says “you’re and ornery little fker just like me!” Didnt crack a smile, turned away and walked off as quickly as he’d come. Never looked back. He was a funny guy and really brought the Big 8 a ton of exposure. The next season 5 of the top 17 picks were from the Big 8. It was a tough, tough, league.
Who is the storyteller?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 04, 2020, 09:32:05 AM
This was a great story from kso
It was 1987 and it was late in our season. We were playing ou in Norman. Had to bus because of fog in Norman and okc. Got there like 3 hrs before game time. Did walk through in hotel ball room. Fast forward to 1:30 left in game and we’re down 10. ~:10 seconds left and we had cut it to 1. Our ball sideline in front of their bench. Bledsoe inbounded to me, bounce pass to Henson on the run and I still remember either Mookie or Seiger almost poked it away but didn’t. Steve penetrates middle and Mitch pops to left elbow where Steve kicks to him. He catches and elevates for the jumper. As the ball’s in the air I’m under the basket watching it come through to win 90-89 at the buzzer. As we’re finishing the on court celebration Steve and I slowly start heading to the lockerroom when we notice Tubbs coming at us with a purpose. He walks straight up to us and says “great win” and then grabs Steve by the front of his shirt on his chest and says....”Henson, You know what i love about you??” Steve says “uhhhhh no....”. Tubbs says “you’re and ornery little fker just like me!” Didnt crack a smile, turned away and walked off as quickly as he’d come. Never looked back. He was a funny guy and really brought the Big 8 a ton of exposure. The next season 5 of the top 17 picks were from the Big 8. It was a tough, tough, league.
Who is the storyteller?
Some poster on the site, don't know, presumably a dude who played on the 86-87 cats hoops team
Post by: Fedor on November 04, 2020, 11:32:57 AM
I think I may know the guy is the reason I was asking. What his handle on kso?This was a great story from kso
It was 1987 and it was late in our season. We were playing ou in Norman. Had to bus because of fog in Norman and okc. Got there like 3 hrs before game time. Did walk through in hotel ball room. Fast forward to 1:30 left in game and we’re down 10. ~:10 seconds left and we had cut it to 1. Our ball sideline in front of their bench. Bledsoe inbounded to me, bounce pass to Henson on the run and I still remember either Mookie or Seiger almost poked it away but didn’t. Steve penetrates middle and Mitch pops to left elbow where Steve kicks to him. He catches and elevates for the jumper. As the ball’s in the air I’m under the basket watching it come through to win 90-89 at the buzzer. As we’re finishing the on court celebration Steve and I slowly start heading to the lockerroom when we notice Tubbs coming at us with a purpose. He walks straight up to us and says “great win” and then grabs Steve by the front of his shirt on his chest and says....”Henson, You know what i love about you??” Steve says “uhhhhh no....”. Tubbs says “you’re and ornery little fker just like me!” Didnt crack a smile, turned away and walked off as quickly as he’d come. Never looked back. He was a funny guy and really brought the Big 8 a ton of exposure. The next season 5 of the top 17 picks were from the Big 8. It was a tough, tough, league.
Who is the storyteller?
Some poster on the site, don't know, presumably a dude who played on the 86-87 cats hoops team
Post by: Skipper44 on November 04, 2020, 01:04:51 PM
Post by: Dr. Fausto Rindón on November 04, 2020, 01:26:45 PM
without looking at the box score my guess is Mark DobbinsMy assumption as well (assuming everyone was wanting my opinion).
Post by: Dr. Fausto Rindón on November 04, 2020, 01:28:44 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 04, 2020, 05:42:43 PM
I think I may know the guy is the reason I was asking. What his handle on kso?This was a great story from kso
It was 1987 and it was late in our season. We were playing ou in Norman. Had to bus because of fog in Norman and okc. Got there like 3 hrs before game time. Did walk through in hotel ball room. Fast forward to 1:30 left in game and we’re down 10. ~:10 seconds left and we had cut it to 1. Our ball sideline in front of their bench. Bledsoe inbounded to me, bounce pass to Henson on the run and I still remember either Mookie or Seiger almost poked it away but didn’t. Steve penetrates middle and Mitch pops to left elbow where Steve kicks to him. He catches and elevates for the jumper. As the ball’s in the air I’m under the basket watching it come through to win 90-89 at the buzzer. As we’re finishing the on court celebration Steve and I slowly start heading to the lockerroom when we notice Tubbs coming at us with a purpose. He walks straight up to us and says “great win” and then grabs Steve by the front of his shirt on his chest and says....”Henson, You know what i love about you??” Steve says “uhhhhh no....”. Tubbs says “you’re and ornery little fker just like me!” Didnt crack a smile, turned away and walked off as quickly as he’d come. Never looked back. He was a funny guy and really brought the Big 8 a ton of exposure. The next season 5 of the top 17 picks were from the Big 8. It was a tough, tough, league.
Who is the storyteller?
Some poster on the site, don't know, presumably a dude who played on the 86-87 cats hoops team
cfpcat
Post by: O-town Kat on November 04, 2020, 11:49:30 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 05, 2020, 06:35:50 AM
Post by: nicname on November 05, 2020, 09:09:44 AM
This is all super interesting to me. I’m too young to have experienced the Tubbs glory days in full, but I remember being a young qat when we knocked off a really good OU team in Manhattan that was like #2 in the country or something. I would say it was maybe ‘93 or so. Tubbs said some really mean stuff about Manhattan, that it was a hellhole or something, and that he hopes he never has to bring his ass back there ever again. Because of this and his sideline demeanor, I always saw him as a completely hatable suer villain in the CBB world. Turns out he was actually a lovable super villain, I guess?
From TCU bbs Killerfrogs.com
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Although I wasn't there, I remember when TCU played at Las Vegas and Tubbs handed the players sparklers that were lit when the lights went down at the Thomas & Mack Center for the Runnin' Rebels laser light introduction show. I believe this was when Billy Bayno was the coach at UNLV. He and Tubbs had a running on-going feud.
Small mention of the incident in the article.
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I remember when he was flown down to the Houston Alumni Golf Extravaganza right after he signed. Billy was handed the mic at dinner and off he went:
"I don't see why everybody's so worked up over the Big XII..." he said in his deranged Jack Nicholson manner. "They get to go to Columbia, Missouri and Manhattan, Kansas. We get to go to San Diego and Las Vegas. Las Vegas."
"I've been to Manhattan, Kansas. It sucks."
:lol: :lol:
Post by: Woogy on November 05, 2020, 09:13:30 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 06, 2020, 09:29:23 AM
This is all super interesting to me. I’m too young to have experienced the Tubbs glory days in full, but I remember being a young qat when we knocked off a really good OU team in Manhattan that was like #2 in the country or something. I would say it was maybe ‘93 or so. Tubbs said some really mean stuff about Manhattan, that it was a hellhole or something, and that he hopes he never has to bring his ass back there ever again. Because of this and his sideline demeanor, I always saw him as a completely hatable suer villain in the CBB world. Turns out he was actually a lovable super villain, I guess?
When he left OU for TCU a media member asked him why he left and he said "you can only take so many trips to Manhattan, Kansas."
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 06, 2020, 09:56:29 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 07, 2020, 10:06:56 PM
That’s right! I had forgotten that. And then, like either his first or second year at TCU, Tubbs and TCU got into the NIT and had to play an away game in...Manhattan, KS. :cool:
They beat our asses, I was in the front row of that game with about 6000 other people in bramlage.
Post by: schreds21 on November 15, 2020, 06:13:46 PM
This was my freshman year. I will never forget that headline. Also loved the way the student section would antagonize him whenever he would get on the refs by simply chanting Biiiilly...Biiiilly...Biiiilly over and over. The Big 8 was so much fun.
My favorite Tubbs memory: after a 62-61 win quote headline in the Collegian: "I don't give a crap how good they are. We're going to beat the hell out of them in Norman."
Result in Norman: 67-63 Cats.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 15, 2020, 10:45:18 PM
So YouTube has a few of those full early 90's Sooners @ Kats games, but I can't find that 62-61 one from 1993.
1990 Big 8 Basketball: Oklahoma at Kansas State (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iOhbIM4-Mk)
1991 Big 8 Basketball: Oklahoma at Kansas State (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlgjEgzSPd4)
There are probably some others too, but those are a few if you wanna take a walk down memory lane. My God. The ESPN opening graphic at the beginning of the 1991 video is top notch. TOP NOTCH. Then they use the GOAT wildcat logo next to John Saunders' head! :love:
What jumps out to me in that 1991 one is that we were 11-8, with 1 conference win at the time. We were playing a 15-6 OU team who was #23 in the nation. Not exactly a battle of the titans. And yet, Bramlage was like at least 90% full, and man it seems live. Can you imagine Bramlage being 90% full now to watch an 11-8 Bruceketball team? Nope. Sad. The Big 8 used to be wild.
Also LOLLERS, at 2:55 of the 1991 game, the ESPN announcers A) are so close that it looks like they could kiss, and B) One of them accidentally calls Kermit Holmes "Sherlock Holmes".
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 15, 2020, 11:02:35 PM
Guy must mostly be a KU fan because it's like 50% KU, with some Chiefs/Royals/Random thrown in, but there are some K-State Gems in there as well. Like this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aew8zY5fHlk) that shows highlights of our 1990 Footballers pummeling Tom's own Western Illinois Leathernecks!
Post by: IPA4Me on November 16, 2020, 07:17:12 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 16, 2020, 11:27:36 AM
I cut out that Collegian and hung it on my wall. I was in 4th grade. It stayed up for years. :gocho:
So YouTube has a few of those full early 90's Sooners @ Kats games, but I can't find that 62-61 one from 1993.
1990 Big 8 Basketball: Oklahoma at Kansas State (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iOhbIM4-Mk)
1991 Big 8 Basketball: Oklahoma at Kansas State (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlgjEgzSPd4)
There are probably some others too, but those are a few if you wanna take a walk down memory lane. My God. The ESPN opening graphic at the beginning of the 1991 video is top notch. TOP NOTCH. Then they use the GOAT wildcat logo next to John Saunders' head! :love:
What jumps out to me in that 1991 one is that we were 11-8, with 1 conference win at the time. We were playing a 15-6 OU team who was #23 in the nation. Not exactly a battle of the titans. And yet, Bramlage was like at least 90% full, and man it seems live. Can you imagine Bramlage being 90% full now to watch an 11-8 Bruceketball team? Nope. Sad. The Big 8 used to be wild.
Also LOLLERS, at 2:55 of the 1991 game, the ESPN announcers A) are so close that it looks like they could kiss, and B) One of them accidentally calls Kermit Holmes "Sherlock Holmes".
OU games were also strangely hyped in the Asbury/Wooly days. We almost always played them on Saturday afternoons instead of weekdays.
Post by: hatingfrancisco on November 16, 2020, 01:36:38 PM
This was my freshman year. I will never forget that headline. Also loved the way the student section would antagonize him whenever he would get on the refs by simply chanting Biiiilly...Biiiilly...Biiiilly over and over. The Big 8 was so much fun.
My favorite Tubbs memory: after a 62-61 win quote headline in the Collegian: "I don't give a crap how good they are. We're going to beat the hell out of them in Norman."
Result in Norman: 67-63 Cats.
Anthony Beane was so good. We rushed the court after that one.
Post by: KST8FAN on November 16, 2020, 04:11:43 PM
So actually that KSportsArchive YouTube account has tons of gems. https://www.youtube.com/user/KSportsArchives/videosOne of Stan Parrish's two win was against the Leathernecks too.
Guy must mostly be a KU fan because it's like 50% KU, with some Chiefs/Royals/Random thrown in, but there are some K-State Gems in there as well. Like this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aew8zY5fHlk) that shows highlights of our 1990 Footballers pummeling Tom's own Western Illinois Leathernecks!
Tom
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Post by: KST8FAN on November 16, 2020, 04:15:46 PM
Tom
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Post by: schreds21 on November 16, 2020, 04:25:17 PM
Cardiac Cats!This was my freshman year. I will never forget that headline. Also loved the way the student section would antagonize him whenever he would get on the refs by simply chanting Biiiilly...Biiiilly...Biiiilly over and over. The Big 8 was so much fun.
My favorite Tubbs memory: after a 62-61 win quote headline in the Collegian: "I don't give a crap how good they are. We're going to beat the hell out of them in Norman."
Result in Norman: 67-63 Cats.
Anthony Beane was so good. We rushed the court after that one.
Post by: SleepFighter on December 07, 2020, 03:47:06 PM
This was my freshman year. I will never forget that headline. Also loved the way the student section would antagonize him whenever he would get on the refs by simply chanting Biiiilly...Biiiilly...Biiiilly over and over. The Big 8 was so much fun.
My favorite Tubbs memory: after a 62-61 win quote headline in the Collegian: "I don't give a crap how good they are. We're going to beat the hell out of them in Norman."
Result in Norman: 67-63 Cats.
That was my freshman year too! That team wasn't great, but they were fun to watch.
:cheers:
:cyclist:
Post by: michigancat on December 07, 2020, 04:41:25 PM
I cut out that Collegian and hung it on my wall. I was in 4th grade. It stayed up for years. :gocho:
So YouTube has a few of those full early 90's Sooners @ Kats games, but I can't find that 62-61 one from 1993.
1990 Big 8 Basketball: Oklahoma at Kansas State (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iOhbIM4-Mk)
1991 Big 8 Basketball: Oklahoma at Kansas State (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlgjEgzSPd4)
There are probably some others too, but those are a few if you wanna take a walk down memory lane. My God. The ESPN opening graphic at the beginning of the 1991 video is top notch. TOP NOTCH. Then they use the GOAT wildcat logo next to John Saunders' head! :love:
What jumps out to me in that 1991 one is that we were 11-8, with 1 conference win at the time. We were playing a 15-6 OU team who was #23 in the nation. Not exactly a battle of the titans. And yet, Bramlage was like at least 90% full, and man it seems live. Can you imagine Bramlage being 90% full now to watch an 11-8 Bruceketball team? Nope. Sad. The Big 8 used to be wild.
Also LOLLERS, at 2:55 of the 1991 game, the ESPN announcers A) are so close that it looks like they could kiss, and B) One of them accidentally calls Kermit Holmes "Sherlock Holmes".
I watched some of that 1990 game. A couple things stood out:
1) The fashion of the KSU student section. So many great vintage sweatshirts are out there!
2) OU was averaging 122 points per game coming into that game. Really! https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/oklahoma/1990-schedule.html (also kinda wild they beat the #1 ranked team in consecutive games late in the season)
3) When the game was played, KSU had more Big 8 wins than anyone :sdeek: