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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: DaBigTrain on September 27, 2020, 06:19:00 PM
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This deserves it's own thread since there are apparently going to be even more articles. HOLY crap
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html
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https://twitter.com/DanaSchwartzzz/status/1310342207761653760
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Just another taker paying less taxes than kdub
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So, he's broke and has a debt of $421M due witin the next four years.
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What this also boils down to is he is the biggest conman and the actual legit worst business person in the history of the world.
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A net taker.
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https://twitter.com/tripgabriel/status/1310355898683011072
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So the times acquired 20 years worth of tax returns but didn’t publish any of it?
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Stormy got more than the American taxpayer for getting screwed by him
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There are some doozy excuses on Twitter and Facebook tonight.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/190866856624668672?s=20.
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https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1310361967429853185?s=20.
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Were normal people under the impression that wealthy people pay taxes? This isn’t a “Trump” thing this is a tax policy thing.
As for “he’s broke” that is some of the dumbest crap I’ve ever heard.
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https://twitter.com/juddlegum/status/1310356254922027010?s=21
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Were normal people under the impression that wealthy people pay taxes? This isn’t a “Trump” thing this is a tax policy thing.
As for “he’s broke” that is some of the dumbest crap I’ve ever heard.
I agree that rich people should pay more taxes.
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1310369079438520320
https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1310378561900032001
https://twitter.com/russchoma/status/1310372361980522496
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1) I am happy if people get mad at Trump about this. It would be good and hopefully would lead to good reforms made at the IRS and to our tax code.
2) mitt Romney had some outrageous crap like a multi million dollar IRA where he basically took deferred compensation as shares in some Bain subsidiary or something that were worth millions of dollars. It is all bad. The $750 is only meaningful insofar as it pisses enough people off to demand some changes.
3) the ways in which real estate investment can be manipulated to avoid taxes is something that is particularly pernicious. Democrats making this solely about trump are making a tactical and a strategic mistake.
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You can do this with farms easy AF too
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Or any pud llc
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Were normal people under the impression that wealthy people pay taxes? This isn’t a “Trump” thing this is a tax policy thing.
As for “he’s broke” that is some of the dumbest crap I’ve ever heard.
as i've said before, your media diet is damaging your brain. it's true that there are some fairly egregious tax loopholes for certain classes of income. it's also true that the us income tax is highly progressive (payroll taxes, unfortunately are not) and extremely wealthy people pay a lot in income taxes in the united states.
as perspective on the tweet below. total federal tax receipts in 2016 were 3.3 trillion, 1.7 trillion from income taxes.
https://twitter.com/JamesSurowiecki/status/1310398076583120896
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https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/1310397304634068994
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https://twitter.com/MaxKennerly/status/1310333567428427777?s=19
Trumpers trying to use this to prove how smart he is really show how warped their thinking has gotten.
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That would be great
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Biden needs a better accountant, my goodness. He paid almost 4MM in taxes on 11MM in income?
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possibly relevant.
https://twitter.com/AlexJamesFitz/status/1310398696635461632
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Were normal people under the impression that wealthy people pay taxes? This isn’t a “Trump” thing this is a tax policy thing.
As for “he’s broke” that is some of the dumbest crap I’ve ever heard.
as i've said before, your media diet is damaging your brain. it's true that there are some fairly egregious tax loopholes for certain classes of income. it's also true that the us income tax is highly progressive (payroll taxes, unfortunately are not) and extremely wealthy people pay a lot in income taxes in the united states.
as perspective on the tweet below. total federal tax receipts in 2016 were 3.3 trillion, 1.7 trillion from income taxes.
https://twitter.com/JamesSurowiecki/status/1310398076583120896
You can save the rest because this is the whole point.
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https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1310436509980426240
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Were normal people under the impression that wealthy people pay taxes? This isn’t a “Trump” thing this is a tax policy thing.
As for “he’s broke” that is some of the dumbest crap I’ve ever heard.
as i've said before, your media diet is damaging your brain. it's true that there are some fairly egregious tax loopholes for certain classes of income. it's also true that the us income tax is highly progressive (payroll taxes, unfortunately are not) and extremely wealthy people pay a lot in income taxes in the united states.
as perspective on the tweet below. total federal tax receipts in 2016 were 3.3 trillion, 1.7 trillion from income taxes.
https://twitter.com/JamesSurowiecki/status/1310398076583120896
You can save the rest because this is the whole point.
a little off topic but i'm going to go out on a limb and say that was a cleverly worded tweet...i'm sure top 1% of taxpayers do pay that much, but i would bet dollars to donuts the top 1% of earners do not.
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You can do this with farms easy AF too
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Yeah, I bet Ted Turner's tax game is on point.
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I think it is fair that when each and everyone of those top 1% run for President (after criticizing former President's taxes) they will be subjected to equal scrutiny.
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It seems some are assuming trump's taxes are low through legal means and some are assuming trump's taxes are low through tax fraud.
I lean to the fraud side personally.
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It seems some are assuming trump's taxes are low through legal means and some are assuming trump's taxes are low through tax fraud.
I lean to the fraud side personally.
As I read it, there is a fairly meaningful tax audit pending that if he loses will require he pay some back (plus interest and fees)
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In addition to the fraud and evasion, there is almost surely some money laundering behind it.
We should probably consider addressing BOTH corruption and legal tax loopholes.
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https://twitter.com/AWeissmann_/status/1310573306781863937
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"American banks won't loan us a red cent because we have failed to repay them on almost all of our loans."
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It seems some are assuming trump's taxes are low through legal means and some are assuming trump's taxes are low through tax fraud.
I lean to the fraud side personally.
The inflation of asset value to get bank loans is fraud alone. There is zero percent chance these returns aren't littered with fraud.
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Not to mention fudging his earnings to qualify for large loans. You can't have both and not be fraudulent, right?
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I think it is pretty well established that those businesses lied their asses off about their assets and value BUT these banks aren't stupid and if they kept giving them money after getting stiffed, how much of that reliance is reasonable?
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Not to mention fudging his earnings to qualify for large loans. You can't have both and not be fraudulent, right?
These aren't car or small home loans he's taking out. The banks have insanely sophisticated underwriting departments and if they believe the Trump name (for example) is worth $250mm of collateral that you can foreclose on then they gotta run the risk that it isn't worth 1/100th of that. I would imagine there are a lot of bankers who got shown the door because they fell for his pitch.
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You can pull forward massive losses to future years in some circumstances. Google “Tax Loss Carry Forward”. Taxes are dumb.
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I’d imagine his accountant is pushing the limits of what is allowed because at that size and complexity there is a lot of grey area and a good accountant will do that. But I bet the actual taxes paid are at least arguably legitimate.
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You can also carry forward capital losses on investments to offset earnings.
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Yeah, there are TONS of ways to screw over your fellow taxpayers. Just don't ask them to vote for you for President if you can't admit you did exactly that.
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1.1 billion in debt. It’s all coming together why he wanted to reopen so fast and doesn’t care if people die from the virus. He’s so far in debt if he doesn’t win re-election he’s going to have to answer to this.
https://twitter.com/danalexander21/status/1310364815710453760
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https://twitter.com/bopinion/status/1310548382042206209
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What gives you the impression he has any plan of repaying those loans? That money is gone. I don't even Putin wants to pick up that tab. If he did, it would be very hard to hide
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I don't see how any of this changes what anyone thought of trump on saturday.
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I don't see how any of this changes what anyone thought of trump on saturday.
There are lots of really uninformed people. Some will see $750 and get pissed off.
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I don't see how any of this changes what anyone thought of trump on saturday.
this.. had to have something else before he debates Joe on Tuesday though..
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It seems some are assuming trump's taxes are low through legal means and some are assuming trump's taxes are low through tax fraud.
I lean to the fraud side personally.
I assume fraud and that fraud is really widespread.
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I don't see how any of this changes what anyone thought of trump on saturday.
There are lots of really uninformed people. Some will see $750 and get pissed off.
He informed that breed of person last night.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1310432401454235650
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I don't see how any of this changes what anyone thought of trump on saturday.
There are lots of really uninformed people. Some will see $750 and get pissed off.
There have to be very few maga who will switch to Biden over that. Trump will have a maga explanation, blame the fake news, say he paid tons of "state and local" taxes and repeat.
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TONS of people will vote for Trump. Many of them are not MAGA.
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TONS of people will vote for Trump. Many of them are not MAGA.
No doubt.
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is there really anything more embarrassing for the democratic party then they had 4 years to come up with good candidates and they came up with these two? can't wait to hear les miles cousin up there on tuesday
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https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1310436509980426240
God I love her.
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I'm a little bit surprised his debt is as bad as it is.
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is there really anything more embarrassing for the democratic party then they had 4 years to come up with good candidates and they came up with these two? can't wait to hear les miles cousin up there on tuesday
They had good candidates. I think the constituents are to blame, not the party.
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TONS of people will vote for Trump. Many of them are not MAGA.
No, they're all MAGA, every one of them. Those single issue voters can convince themselves otherwise, but they've pulling the lever for the most crooked, amoral presidential candidate in American history. They're all lying to themselves.
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I'm a little bit surprised his debt is as bad as it is.
I’m not. He has such an inferiority complex that he needs as much stuff as he can get. He’s done all of this before, a couple of times.
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is there really anything more embarrassing for the democratic party then they had 4 years to come up with good candidates and they came up with these two? can't wait to hear les miles cousin up there on tuesday
They had good candidates. I think the constituents are to blame, not the party.
It's kind of a combination of both. Joe Biden was not going to win the nomination without the party coordinating everyone else dropping out before super Tuesday. That said, most of the constituents preferred Biden to Sanders.
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https://twitter.com/wilfredchan/status/1310584576058822657
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is there really anything more embarrassing for the democratic party then they had 4 years to come up with good candidates and they came up with these two? can't wait to hear les miles cousin up there on tuesday
They had good candidates. I think the constituents are to blame, not the party.
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is there really anything more embarrassing for the democratic party then they had 4 years to come up with good candidates and they came up with these two? can't wait to hear les miles cousin up there on tuesday
They had good candidates. I think the constituents are to blame, not the party.
It's kind of a combination of both. Joe Biden was not going to win the nomination without the party coordinating everyone else dropping out before super Tuesday. That said, most of the constituents preferred Biden to Sanders.
No they didn't. Every policy poll and exit poll have been very clear that the American public clearly supports what known as progressive platform positions. Three democratic party allowed the "electability" talking point have merit and they scared people into voting against their own interests because they believed the bullshit that moderates wouldn't vote for a progressive.
The dems are like K-State fans who crap on their own school because they're afraid of the KU fans at work making fun of them.
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is there really anything more embarrassing for the democratic party then they had 4 years to come up with good candidates and they came up with these two? can't wait to hear les miles cousin up there on tuesday
They had good candidates. I think the constituents are to blame, not the party.
It's kind of a combination of both. Joe Biden was not going to win the nomination without the party coordinating everyone else dropping out before super Tuesday. That said, most of the constituents preferred Biden to Sanders.
No they didn't. Every policy poll and exit poll have been very clear that the American public clearly supports what known as progressive platform positions. Three democratic party allowed the "electability" talking point have merit and they scared people into voting against their own interests because they believed the bullshit that moderates wouldn't vote for a progressive.
The dems are like K-State fans who crap on their own school because they're afraid of the KU fans at work making fun of them.
The primaries showed very clearly that people preferred biden once there were no longer 10 other similar candidates in the race.
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is there really anything more embarrassing for the democratic party then they had 4 years to come up with good candidates and they came up with these two? can't wait to hear les miles cousin up there on tuesday
They had good candidates. I think the constituents are to blame, not the party.
It's kind of a combination of both. Joe Biden was not going to win the nomination without the party coordinating everyone else dropping out before super Tuesday. That said, most of the constituents preferred Biden to Sanders.
No they didn't. Every policy poll and exit poll have been very clear that the American public clearly supports what known as progressive platform positions. Three democratic party allowed the "electability" talking point have merit and they scared people into voting against their own interests because they believed the bullshit that moderates wouldn't vote for a progressive.
The dems are like K-State fans who crap on their own school because they're afraid of the KU fans at work making fun of them.
The primaries showed very clearly that people preferred biden once there were no longer 10 other similar candidates in the race.
Was this supposed to be a rebuttal to what I posted?
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is there really anything more embarrassing for the democratic party then they had 4 years to come up with good candidates and they came up with these two? can't wait to hear les miles cousin up there on tuesday
They had good candidates. I think the constituents are to blame, not the party.
It's kind of a combination of both. Joe Biden was not going to win the nomination without the party coordinating everyone else dropping out before super Tuesday. That said, most of the constituents preferred Biden to Sanders.
No they didn't. Every policy poll and exit poll have been very clear that the American public clearly supports what known as progressive platform positions. Three democratic party allowed the "electability" talking point have merit and they scared people into voting against their own interests because they believed the bullshit that moderates wouldn't vote for a progressive.
The dems are like K-State fans who crap on their own school because they're afraid of the KU fans at work making fun of them.
The primaries showed very clearly that people preferred biden once there were no longer 10 other similar candidates in the race.
Was this supposed to be a rebuttal to what I posted?
Sigh
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Al little off course fellas. Let's discuss captain business who can't make any money except taxpayer handouts
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Grifting in America at the Beginning of the Millennium:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1310399932067729410
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The general consensus of mid-western white middle age persons on Facebook is "all politicians are crooks".
Carry on, guys.
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The general consensus of mid-western white middle age persons on Facebook is "all politicians are crooks".
Carry on, guys.
"and given the choice I'll take the racisty one"
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Every policy poll and exit poll have been very clear that the American public clearly supports what known as progressive platform positions.
this is not true.
and for everyone saying the dems choose a poor candidate, they should consider that said candidate is just completely mopping the floor with trump.
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You can save the rest because this is the whole point.
if what you meant is what i wrote, you should have said that, because what you wrote (below) is not the same thing. it is poor form to not only say something untrue but to also imply people are fools if they believe what is actually true rather than the untrue thing.
Were normal people under the impression that wealthy people pay taxes? This isn’t a “Trump” thing this is a tax policy thing.
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Every policy poll and exit poll have been very clear that the American public clearly supports what known as progressive platform positions.
this is not true.
and for everyone saying the dems choose a poor candidate, they should consider that said candidate is just completely mopping the floor with trump.
Is he or are a lot of people just fed up with trump as a person?
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Is he or are a lot of people just fed up with trump as a person?
biden is giving people that are fed up with trump as little reason to not vote for him as possible, and he's doing it very well. it's obviously impossible to know how alternatives would have fared, but i personally don't think any of the others would be as skilled at being inoffensive to older, non-college white voters who don't already like democrats.
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Is he or are a lot of people just fed up with trump as a person?
biden is giving people that are fed up with trump as little reason to not vote for him as possible, and he's doing it very well. it's obviously impossible to know how alternatives would have fared, but i personally don't think any of the others would be as skilled at being inoffensive to older, non-college white voters who don't already like democrats.
pretty easy when your party puts a muzzle on you though.
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pretty easy when your party puts a muzzle on you though.
good grief.
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pretty easy when your party puts a muzzle on you though.
good grief.
republican party should do more of that to trump if they were smarter
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pretty easy when your party puts a muzzle on you though.
good grief.
republican party should do more of that to trump if they were smarter
They've tried. He throws a tantrum
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The Republican party doesn't control Trump, it's very much vice versa.
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guess thats the difference between alphas and jomegas
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I am not at all upset that the tax code allows horrible total buffoons who suck total crap at business to write forward massive financial losses they incurred because they are easily fooled and suck at deals and business.
Is anyone?
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I am not at all upset that the tax code allows horrible total buffoons who suck total crap at business to write forward massive financial losses they incurred because they are easily fooled and suck at deals and business.
Is anyone?
It's hardly the only thing to take away from the NYT story.
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maga-like_abana is bumming me out :frown:
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I also not upset he used the bankruptcy law to screw the daylights of most businesses that were foolish enough to extend him credit. There is an exception for the contractors who kept working without getting paid on his projects because they couldn't just walk away or they risk incurring LD's. That is absolute bullshit and he ruined some family businesses.
If you are a legitimate lending institution now, you don't give him a penny. That is why he has to sell his influence to get loans that he will then never, ever, in a billion years pay back. He isn't getting loans from anyone anymore, he is getting campaign or other "contributions" disguised as loans.
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You can save the rest because this is the whole point.
if what you meant is what i wrote, you should have said that, because what you wrote (below) is not the same thing. it is poor form to not only say something untrue but to also imply people are fools if they believe what is actually true rather than the untrue thing.
Were normal people under the impression that wealthy people pay taxes? This isn’t a “Trump” thing this is a tax policy thing.
I mean what trump is doing is not the only example. People like warren buffet have very low rates too. Obviously not $750, but people that funnel money through a corporation can defer compensation or show losses and do all kinds of wild crap. Farmers as steve dave brought up are infamous for this.
What is your disagreement?
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Were normal people under the impression that wealthy people pay taxes? This isn’t a “Trump” thing this is a tax policy thing.
What is your disagreement?
i thought i was pretty clear in my previous post. you said something that was clearly and demonstrably false. you implied that not believing your false statement was naive. i disagree with both of those things.
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Every policy poll and exit poll have been very clear that the American public clearly supports what known as progressive platform positions.
this is not true.
WTF? Is kim carnes your sock? Don't you study this stuff? I know you are aware of these numbers because I gave them to you during the primary season, I don't know why you'd even dispute this, it's overwhelming.
Green New Deal
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/4/22/18510518/green-new-deal-fox-news-poll
Medicare for all
https://www.newsweek.com/87-democrats-support-medicare-all-though-joe-biden-doesnt-1522833
Tuition free college
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/461106-majority-of-voters-support-free-college-eliminating-student-debt
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maga-like_abana is bumming me out :frown:
No maga here dog. Just can’t believe these are the best two dipshits we could come up with. Frustrated with politics/politicians in general
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Green New Deal
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/4/22/18510518/green-new-deal-fox-news-poll
that's an 18 month old poll that finds support at 43% and opposition at 46%. furthermore 43% strongly oppose, whereas just 24% strongly supported. if you're going to cherrypick ancient polls, i'd appreciate it if you'd at least take the time to find one that supports your point.
Medicare for all
https://www.newsweek.com/87-democrats-support-medicare-all-though-joe-biden-doesnt-1522833
Tuition free college
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/461106-majority-of-voters-support-free-college-eliminating-student-debt
as has been discussed on this board before, poll findings on mfa vary wildly depending on how the question is framed. although i haven't looked at the numbers, i'd be amazed if the same isn't true of eliminating student debt.
scher provides a good accounting of the dynamic in this article.
https://twitter.com/billscher/status/1248087292784279552
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Frustrated with politics/politicians in general
honestly, i prefer maga to this braindead crap.
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It’s pretty easy to play either role/party.
Dem- you’re racist, you like the Orangeman, look at his taxes
Pub- snowflakes, sleepy joe, economy
It’s incredibly annoying that everyone you go online it’s just a buncha dumbasses arguing trying to change the mind of one another.
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Honestly they should blow up the 2 party system and get rid of career talking heads/politicians
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Every policy poll and exit poll have been very clear that the American public clearly supports what known as progressive platform positions.
this is not true.
WTF? Is kim carnes your sock? Don't you study this stuff? I know you are aware of these numbers because I gave them to you during the primary season, I don't know why you'd even dispute this, it's overwhelming.
Green New Deal
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/4/22/18510518/green-new-deal-fox-news-poll
Medicare for all
https://www.newsweek.com/87-democrats-support-medicare-all-though-joe-biden-doesnt-1522833
Tuition free college
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/461106-majority-of-voters-support-free-college-eliminating-student-debt
The number one objective in the Dem primary was to remove Trump. Not the policies you reference. A moderate was the most logical choice even if they weren't your preferred choice.
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Honestly they should blow up the 2 party system and get rid of career talking heads/politicians
you and 34 can abstain from participating in our democracy and wax on about how you're above such mediocre concerns as choosing policies with life-altering and sometimes life-ending results for your fellow citizens.
don't ask me to respect that choice.
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maga-like_abana is bumming me out :frown:
No maga here dog. Just can’t believe these are the best two dipshits we could come up with. Frustrated with politics/politicians in general
I'm just razzin' ya cause we are friends :)
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Honestly they should blow up the 2 party system and get rid of career talking heads/politicians
you and 34 can abstain from participating in our democracy and wax on about how you're above such mediocre concerns as choosing policies with life-altering and sometimes life-ending results for your fellow citizens.
don't ask me to respect that choice.
Where did I say anything about choosing policies with life alternating or life ending results? :confused:
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maga-like_abana is bumming me out :frown:
No maga here dog. Just can’t believe these are the best two dipshits we could come up with. Frustrated with politics/politicians in general
I'm just razzin' ya cause we are friends :)
Don’t do it again cause that one stung a bit
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Man sys burns hit different man.
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Green New Deal
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/4/22/18510518/green-new-deal-fox-news-poll
that's an 18 month old poll that finds support at 43% and opposition at 46%. furthermore 43% strongly oppose, whereas just 24% strongly supported. if you're going to cherrypick ancient polls, i'd appreciate it if you'd at least take the time to find one that supports your point.
What are you doing sys, can you rough ridin' read man? That 43% and 46% are of ALL VOTERS, why would I care what Republicans think? I certainly don't care when we're discussing the choice that democrats had to make. And stop with the bullshit about the date, we both know that the GND is just as popular now as it was then.
Medicare for all
https://www.newsweek.com/87-democrats-support-medicare-all-though-joe-biden-doesnt-1522833
Tuition free college
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/461106-majority-of-voters-support-free-college-eliminating-student-debt
as has been discussed on this board before, poll findings on mfa vary wildly depending on how the question is framed. although i haven't looked at the numbers, i'd be amazed if the same isn't true of eliminating student debt.
scher provides a good accounting of the dynamic in this article.
https://twitter.com/billscher/status/1248087292784279552
This article is rough ridin' stupid and only stupid people who don't read or comprehend anything would buy it. He rebutts the polling data of democratic primary voters buy using polling of the "general electorate." From his article
Polling from early 2019 of the general electorate also showed opposition to junking all private insurance.
Early 2019? Didn't you just wag my finger at using polling from that time frame? Also comparing the general electorate to democratic primary voters is a very obvious dirty trick.
Either you're being very hypocritical or you didn't read anything either you or I posted.
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Where did I say anything about choosing policies with life alternating or life ending results? :confused:
the career politician you choose helps determine policies for your town, county, state or country.
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Were normal people under the impression that wealthy people pay taxes? This isn’t a “Trump” thing this is a tax policy thing.
What is your disagreement?
i thought i was pretty clear in my previous post. you said something that was clearly and demonstrably false. you implied that not believing your false statement was naive. i disagree with both of those things.
k, i could've been more clear that i wasn't saying wealthy people never pay taxes. i don't think anyone was actually confused by that.
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That 43% and 46% are of ALL VOTERS, why would I care what Republicans think?
1. because you said "the american public clearly supports", not "democratic primary participants clearly support"
2. because nothing is getting passed into law without broad public support.
Either you're being very hypocritical or you didn't read anything either you or I posted.
i'm many things, but hypocritical is seldom among them and i read all three of your links as well as the article i linked. support among the general public is both the claim i responded to as well as the relevant metric for evaluating biden's calibration as a candidate in the general election, which is the framework that kicked off this discussion.
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Where did I say anything about choosing policies with life alternating or life ending results? :confused:
the career politician you choose helps determine policies for your town, county, state or country.
What does blowing up the normal 2 party system have to do with that? A lot better than the career politician that says flip flop flippity flop. They are all about themself
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Get way too many multigenerational career this or that voters with no clue. Guess that makes for funny videos on late night shows and YouTube though
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That 43% and 46% are of ALL VOTERS, why would I care what Republicans think?
1. because you said "the american public clearly supports", not "democratic primary participants clearly support"
2. because nothing is getting passed into law without broad public support.
Either you're being very hypocritical or you didn't read anything either you or I posted.
i'm many things, but hypocritical is seldom among them and i read all three of your links as well as the article i linked. support among the general public is both the claim i responded to as well as the relevant metric for evaluating biden's calibration as a candidate in the general election, which is the framework that kicked off this discussion.
In lieu of a contextual merry-go-round I'll just dip here and acknowledge that we disagree.
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https://twitter.com/adamdavidson/status/1310929478030426112
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seems bad!
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He’s way way too stupid to do any of this and that will be his defense
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He’s way way too stupid to do any of this and that will be his defense
https://twitter.com/adamdavidson/status/1310941200061521927?s=21
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Trump being one of the worst businessmen in history and a huge tax cheat killed Dax.
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He has been quiet lately. I'm sure he'll make a triumphant return to the Pit later tonight when Biden says something dumb in the debate.
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Trump being one of the worst businessmen in history and a huge tax cheat killed Dax.
Might've been the shirt thing.
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Drumpf being one of the worst businessmen in history and a huge tax cheat killed Dax.
he's just recalibrating, remember hillary did things too! And worse (but not really).
It is funny to me that people have ever thought he was a good businessman, goddamn the apprentice, seriously. Tons of docs (dirty money, trump: an American dream, hell, interviews with Ivanka with her saying her dad was in a bad spot back in the early 90s, all the stuff John Oliver digs up which isn't all the surprising) all reinforce just how shitty of a businessman he is, and how often he screws people over. It's such wash rinse repeat and the fact it works is probably just as infuriating as any of his "policies" he has.
His failures with the farmers, his failures with China, his failures with the pandemic, his failures with the economy and taxes, his fanning of the flames with the racial stuff, to me are a mere backdrop to his utter failure of the core of what he says he is, a successful businessman. I hated him and could see the farce he was since the apprentice, the gliding down the escalator was like "are you serious" moment. It's been a continual crap show since. He's always been a clown to me, just became more dire when he like actually wanted to do something with his clown show.
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Can someone link me to the tax returns? I got to read these things, sounds wild.
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It’s a shame, Dax was a feisty debater
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He can't defend someone with more debt than KU Athletics.
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I know some of you are super obsessed with me.
But I was traveling, and Mrs. Dax is also recovering from 4 days in the MICU (non Covid related) and it's been the end of our sales month, and the end/beginning of a FFY, and some of our Federal agencies procrastinate.
So continue raging on without me for awhile.
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I know some of you are super obsessed with me.
But I was traveling, and Mrs. Dax is also recovering from 4 days in the MICU (non Covid related) and it's been the end of our sales month, and the end/beginning of a FFY, and some of our Federal agencies procrastinate.
So continue raging on without me for awhile.
How's Mrs. Dax doing?
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Positive vibes sent to mrs dax
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He can't defend someone with more debt than KU Athletics.
:ROFL:
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I hope Mrs. Dax gets better soon.
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Positive vibes sent to mrs dax
This
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I know some of you are super obsessed with me.
But I was traveling, and Mrs. Dax is also recovering from 4 days in the MICU (non Covid related) and it's been the end of our sales month, and the end/beginning of a FFY, and some of our Federal agencies procrastinate.
So continue raging on without me for awhile.
Hope the Mrs is on the mend
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Agreed
Hope the wife is well.
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Agreed
Hope the wife is well.
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very cool and legal I'm sure
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/10/09/us/donald-trump-taxes-las-vegas.html
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Smart people get out of paying taxes, Phil. Haven't you heard.
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https://twitter.com/ScottMStedman/status/1323541534763970561
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https://twitter.com/ScottMStedman/status/1323541534763970561
I'd prefer they rot with those loans. They wanted to dance with the devil now that they've been exposed they want out. Suck it DB.
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https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1364944351940538376
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The rage in this thread was and is amazing.
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This should be good for a few laughs.
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:bwpopcorn:
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I can't imagine the shenanigans that these guys pulled over the decades.
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When threatened, Trump will revert to the MAGAs instinctive defense: too stupid to understand.
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Just think, the head of legal for a supposed multi-billion dollar company was Michael Cohen.
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only the best
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When threatened, Trump will revert to the MAGAs instinctive defense: too stupid to understand.
gonna put maga in a weird box.
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Don should have gone into politics sooner and then just set up a grifting foundation.
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He set up a grifting foundation WAAAAY before he got into politics
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He set up a grifting foundation WAAAAY before he got into politics
I know that dummy, re-read what I said.
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Don should have gone into politics sooner and then just set up a grifting foundation.
He would have been a democrat.
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Don should have gone into politics sooner and then just set up a grifting foundation.
He would have been a democrat.
As a center right national infrastructure advocate, that's fine with me.
Politics and then a grifting foundation is the preferred ascent to power plan/money laundering operation of your average Lib politician. So BAU. Don Trump would have been beloved across the whole of mainstream, all that matters is the (D) ProgLibDom. He could have rolled out a little ProgFascism to win the 'hold my nose' vote and dominated for decades. A real missed opportunity for Don on that one. Granted, later he would have had a tough sell into the all meltdown all the time white lib/Karen world.
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Don should have gone into politics sooner and then just set up a grifting foundation.
He would have been a democrat.
As a center right national infrastructure advocate, that's fine with me.
Politics and then a grifting foundation is the preferred ascent to power plan/money laundering operation of your average Lib politician. So BAU. Don Trump would have been beloved across the whole of mainstream, all that matters is the (D) ProgLibDom. He could have rolled out a little ProgFascism to win the 'hold my nose' vote and dominated for decades. A real missed opportunity for Don on that one. Granted, later he would have had a tough sell into the all meltdown all the time white lib/Karen world.
DJT is a demorat
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I thought they already leaked his returns and he was basically bankrupt?
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Did dax forget that trump tried politics as a democrat and was rightfully laughed at so he tried being a republican and became the most popular party figure since Reagan?
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Did dax forget that trump tried politics as a democrat and was rightfully laughed at so he tried being a republican and became the most popular party figure since Reagan?
Oh and also lol at trying to disparage hypothetical people for voting for the guy you irl actually voted for. You're a total mental case man lmfao
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Did dax forget that trump tried politics as a democrat and was rightfully laughed at so he tried being a republican and became the most popular party figure since Reagan?
He was Bill Clinton's buddy in the '90's. :ROFL:
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Did dax forget that trump tried politics as a democrat and was rightfully laughed at so he tried being a republican and became the most popular party figure since Reagan?
He was Bill Clinton's buddy in the '90's. :ROFL:
yeah, trump and Billary were very close.
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Don Trump is far far far too little of a hegemonic corporatist warmonger for the modern Democratic party.
That still doesn't change the fact that he should have been a politician first and then established a grifting foundation.
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Trump wrote that the US still did not know the true status of Iraq’s nuclear program. He then wrote, “I’m no warmonger. But the fact is, if we decide a strike against Iraq is necessary, it is madness not to carry the mission to its conclusion. When we don’t, we have the worst of all worlds: Iraq remains a threat, and now has more incentive than ever to attack us.”
He continued: “Am I being contradictory here, by presenting myself as a deal-maker and then recommending preemptive strikes? I don’t think so. There’s nothing really comparable to unleashing a squadron of bombers, but in the world of business sometimes you have to make quick, secret, decisive moves in order to gain a negotiating advantage.”
When radio host Howard Stern asked Trump in September 2002 if he is “for invading Iraq,” Trump responded, “Yeah, I guess so. I wish the first time it was done correctly.”
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Congrats to Don Trump for not being a monolithic thinker.
LOL, 2002
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Congrats for getting his way on the invasion of Iraq
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Congrats for getting his way on the invasion of Iraq
SlowDug actually thinks Don Trump-Private Citizen controlled things back then.
Goodness
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Congrats for getting his way on the invasion of Iraq
SlowDug actually thinks Don Trump-Private Citizen controlled things back then.
Goodness
lol yeah that's what I think brain genius.
Nice tap out tho
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I will forever :lol: :lol: at any simpleton that quotes what a private citizen said about a geo-political act 14 years before they held political office and/or held no sway over policy at the time. Now, in a recurring theme, had this been say, Bill Kristol doing a 180 it would have been open for scorn and ridicule because Kristol/PNAC held tremendous sway over the Bush Administration.
Any non-simpleton no understands 20 years later that these perpetual wars are ridiculous which makes the current ProgFascist movements internally dominate culture of forever war so fascinating. Maybe that will change now that OrangeMan bad isn't around to meltdown about every 17 seconds. But given the extremely low amount of push back on iPOTUS 'bombs away' Biden, it looks like perpetual war is still BAU.