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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: CHONGS on September 12, 2020, 01:54:17 PM
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Makes me unhappy!
Good thing this season doesn't matter.
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Outside of Deuce and our wideouts, this team is hot garbage.
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Outside of Deuce and our wideouts, this team is hot garbage.
Scratch that. Outside of Deuce.
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I dont even know who half these guys are.
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Stay the course even if we have to start the freshmen
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Blow it up and start the freshmen
This season doesn't count anyway
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Couldn't have picked a better year to suck. Excellent timing.
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Couldn't have picked a better year to suck. Excellent timing.
Absolutely
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Rebuild and get Sky in the NFL.
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the WRs were open all day but skylar missed them too often and they did not make the tough catches ether
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the un-fun-ness of that game reminds me of 2004 fresno state. game started off great and its like this is going to be awesome and after about the first quarter it just disintegrated into complete crap.
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aj parker couldn't stop anything today. i have never understood the praise for him outside of just wearing purple. he gives receivers too much room and is not quick enough out of breaks to make up for it. it is amazing how many just easy run down the field and throw the ball directly to someone he has given up the last couple years. the last TD was literally run straight 10 yds turn and catch ball. i know its a complicated and difficult position but man our secondary really hasn't put up any kind of defense to passing in years. and is good as hubert is ARk st made him look silly several times for just rushing the passer and not playing the run. his lack of discipline cost us a few first downs today
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the un-fun-ness of that game reminds me of 2004 fresno state. game started off great and its like this is going to be awesome and after about the first quarter it just disintegrated into complete crap.
the most disappointing thing may be their DL was much better than our OL and their OL was much better than our DL. Those positions are where there should be the most separation between p5 schools and lower schools like Ark St. Being big OLs isnt as important as being good OLs
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Rebuild and get Sky in the NFL.
lol
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Can we bring that Rubely kid in early? Miss Hazelton’s beard and “havoc” defense.
How does Lynch miss two FGs?? Laces prob weren’t out. New holder and all
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We hired North Dakota’s coach what did you expect
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We hired North Dakota’s coach what did you expect
yea did look like you hired North Dakotas coach!!
NDSU'S coach would NEVER.!
MAYBE YOU TOOK. THE WRONG NDSU COACH... WYOMING Craig Bohl
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Go be a poor, Bison
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Rebuild and get Sky in the NFL.
lol
Looked efficient on today’s stat sheet!
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loved the accountability from klieman in the post-game presser. that is what good leadership looks like. he said they can't make excuses and i agree.
a few notes from his presser...
-he mentioned that thompson didn't have the same mobility after the goal line hit. it was a very good point. obviously that's not an excuse. but for impartial observers, thought it was noteworthy.
-he pointed out that his guys have faced major adversity the last month or so leading up to the first game. i really appreciated this reminder because i had forgotten.
-perhaps his most compelling point was regarding the wide receivers. klieman noted that almost all of them were out this game which obviously hurts your passing game. again, not an excuse, but helpful intel for those unaware.
-finally, he said the starting center and team leader being essentially out for the game was a tough pill to swallow. on top of that, the backup wasn't available.
the last one especially is a great excuse and i would be happy to offer it to klieman, but what's the point? no way he'd take it. he's just a no excuse kinda guy.
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yes, none of that was an excuse because he said "I can't make excuses" before he rattled off a ton of reasons the loss wasn't on him. legend
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This board is so funny about expecting coaches to come out in burlap throwing ashes over their heads.
Literally everyone knows it falls on the coach. In a couple years it will be entirely his team and his staff. Idk what you’re expecting him to say, the W-Ls are his resume.
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Can only hope KU eqaully embarasses themselves....
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This board is so funny about expecting coaches to come out in burlap throwing ashes over their heads.
Literally everyone knows it falls on the coach. In a couple years it will be entirely his team and his staff. Idk what you’re expecting him to say, the W-Ls are his resume.
j rake doesn't count, he's trolling. No one is expecting the coach to say. "we inherited a program with no depth," "our o line isn't good, because they're a bunch of freshmen and sophomores who have never played," "we didn't inherit a single running back on scholarship," "our receivers couldn't catch a cold, and the QB couldn't hit water from a boat," and finally our secondary is small and slow." If a coach did that people would bitch too, so just hit it with a :dunno:
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Can only hope KU eqaully embarasses themselves....
Who cares
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Super disappointing game obviously. We looked out of sync and lethargic.
O line is definitely the biggest culprit in this loss. Barely any push, and pretty pedestrian at doing anything remotely well. They are a massive work in progress. I thought last years o-line was fairly overrated, but boy after this game if we were even half as good as last year's o-line we'd walk away from this one with a comfortable W.
Secondary was a let down, they did not play with any confidence or pressure or swagger. They just kinda let it happen in front of them.
Defense got lucky to be bailed out by their equally bad kicker (sorry Lynch, but barf what a bad day for him) or miscues by their offense that had nothing to do with the defense.
Skylar was disappointing, but I am not that upset with him. He had to scramble too much due to the o-line, and sure, he had some pretty errant down the field throws, but even when he didn't, the WRs didn't help him out much (save Knowles awesome one handed catch). He's never going to be an amazing QB, but he's also not garbage. IMO plenty of other things went wrong besides him that kept us from winning, and in fact, I think his experience definitely saved us in a few instances.
Deuce is going to fun to watch, and despite some pretty bad drops, the WR core is fun too. Moore is a great addition, and I don't care about the Skylar-Moore story, but they clearly work well and he had a good day.
Play calling needed to improve, not counting that two play drive to start the game for the TD, Messingham botched IMO the game plan early and went vertical too much as he tends to do, instead of doing the sweeps, bubble screen, slants, and other "dink and donk" crap that while boring (and after the crap show our o-line proved to be, was the only thing working) at least gets the offense into some sort of rhythm and settles everyone down, especially after such a disjointed offseason.
Finally the penalties, too many unforced ones. I don't think the game was at all poorly officiated, quite the contrary well done, we just simply made too many mistakes, and often on big plays that cost us. The only time we got bailed out was that roughing the passer on like 2nd an 33 or we the hell that was, and that was also a legit penalty. We played rough.
I guess this will be a write off year. The kids wanted to play, but they sure didn't act like it at times. They'll win some games, they'll probably settle at 5-5 or 4-6. At least we weren't as embarrassing as ISU (which truly lolz, but not as lolz if we had won)
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How many returning starts did we have on the ol? Of course they were gonna suck
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The coach said that on the last play they tried to double team the WR that’s been killing them all day & an upperclassman S, backup or not, goes to double the inside guy and completely ignores the guy he was specifically told to double. That type of disorganization is concerning.
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How many returning starts did we have on the ol? Of course they were gonna suck
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How many returning starts did we have on the ol? Of course they were gonna suck
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Geez you think he could have strategically gotten SOMEONE some reps last year
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How many returning starts did we have on the ol? Of course they were gonna suck
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Geez you think he could have strategically gotten SOMEONE some reps last year
They got reps, Josh Rivas was 3rd team all Big 12, just no starts. I know nuance will make some people have a seizure but losing your center on the 2nd drive is something that a lot of programs would struggle with, that's without accounting for COVID and Snyder not recruiting worth a crap. We played a minimum of three centers today, that's not ideal.
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I'll also add that for the last decade we've struggled with three man defensive fronts.
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I know I'm really not mad
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I'll also add that for the last decade we've struggled with three man defensive fronts.
When they said Ark State was 3-3-5 I had flashbacks of WVU repeatedly goading Dimel into audibling into fly routes we’d complete less than 10% of the time.
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There is still a chance we might be good though.
We have some tasty pieces.
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Yeah, future looks bright :cool:
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Yeah, future looks bright :cool:
What the hell you looking at? We got some talent at the skill positions but we are hot garbage everywhere else.
rough ridin' team looked like crap. Outside of C. Taylor, I can't think of anyone who actually improved from last year.
Lastly, Sky can ride the bench for the rest of this worthless season. Let Howard see if he has what it takes. Sky has proved he is a limp wristed QB who pisses down his leg when it matters most time and time again. He is D. Meier 2.0
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We hired North Dakota’s coach what did you expect
North Dakota’s back ups would’ve beaten that pud team you played. I don’t even remember if it was ULALA or Arkansas St.
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Not saying it's why we lost, but, goodness, name another team that plays its backups for 50% of the time on defense in a highly contested game. Playing/rotating lots of guys is fine (particularly on the DL), but when you rotate in/out the entire front seven... it was like watching NHL lineup changes.
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Yeah, future looks bright :cool:
What the hell you looking at? We got some talent at the skill positions but we are hot garbage everywhere else.
rough ridin' team looked like crap. Outside of C. Taylor, I can't think of anyone who actually improved from last year.
Lastly, Sky can ride the bench for the rest of this worthless season. Let Howard see if he has what it takes. Sky has proved he is a limp wristed QB who pisses down his leg when it matters most time and time again. He is D. Meier 2.0
[youtube]https://youtu.be/xzpndHtdl9A[/youtube]
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I know I'm really not mad
I know, friend.
Not saying it's why we lost, but, goodness, name another team that plays its backups for 50% of the time on defense in a highly contested game. Playing/rotating lots of guys is fine (particularly on the DL), but when you rotate in/out the entire front seven... it was like watching NHL lineup changes.
It was the most insignificant game of the most insignificant college football season of all time. The conditioning of these guys is horrawful. After the Monday COVID tests there was real concern that we could even field a team.Given all of this, not playing lots of players would be malpractice. Unfortunately we spent literally the entirety of the second and third quarter making a mistake on seemingly every play, making the game close so we just couldn't pull the starters late. I wouldn't take anything away from any of this.
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Not saying it's why we lost, but, goodness, name another team that plays its backups for 50% of the time on defense in a highly contested game. Playing/rotating lots of guys is fine (particularly on the DL), but when you rotate in/out the entire front seven... it was like watching NHL lineup changes.
Everyone this season
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Getting 35 put on you at home by Arkie State is unforgivable. Our personnel on D is way too good for that to happen.
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How long has it actually been since we won these sorts of noncon games like 55-10?
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How long has it actually been since we won these sorts of noncon games like 55-10?
Last season vs Charlotte?
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Getting 35 put on you at home by Arkie State is unforgivable. Our personnel on D is way too good for that to happen.
I've forgiven them
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Getting 35 put on you at home by Arkie State is unforgivable. Our personnel on D is way too good for that to happen.
Meh, their offense is good. The QBs are crap, but that receiver is a rough ridin' boss. It certainly wasn't good but crap happens. I thought the linebackers and the rush ends were good, everything else on D wasn't. The fifty billion mistakes are what I felt was terrible but that can be corrected. Hopefully it was just rust and not a lack of focus and discipline, which was were issues last year.
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How long has it actually been since we won these sorts of noncon games like 55-10?
Last season vs Charlotte?
I meant won against a team whose name you could even remember.
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Not saying it's why we lost, but, goodness, name another team that plays its backups for 50% of the time on defense in a highly contested game. Playing/rotating lots of guys is fine (particularly on the DL), but when you rotate in/out the entire front seven... it was like watching NHL lineup changes.
Everyone this season
Meh - other teams are proving this talking point to be incorrect.
And, as far as positioning this season as "meaningless" (responding to others) that's ridiculous. It certainly isn't to the players on the field. And, you could actually make the case that this is as good a chance as ever that a team like K-State "could" actually make the playoffs (of course, it certainly won't happen now).
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LOL at thinking we might have had a shot at the playoffs (even before today)
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Not saying it's why we lost, but, goodness, name another team that plays its backups for 50% of the time on defense in a highly contested game. Playing/rotating lots of guys is fine (particularly on the DL), but when you rotate in/out the entire front seven... it was like watching NHL lineup changes.
Everyone this season
Meh - other teams are proving this talking point to be incorrect.
And, as far as positioning this season as "meaningless" (responding to others) that's ridiculous. It certainly isn't to the players on the field. And, you could actually make the case that this is as good a chance as ever that a team like K-State "could" actually make the playoffs (of course, it certainly won't happen now).
What? Playoffs? First of all, we don't even know if there's going to be any playoffs. Even if we did, having a team make it that didn't even sniff the preseason top 25, I think one vote in either poll, is a ridiculous notion. The only way you rationalized that in your head was because this is a season of a bunch of wild, unforseen crap happening, which is a perfect argument against freaking out when something wild and unforseen happens. Yes, some other teams have looked good after one damn week, who's to say that they won't look like total dogshit the next game?
This season is the ultimate house money season for almost every single team playing, including completely crap teams like KU, Vandy, and Syracuse. The only teams that have any expectations at all are like the 10-15 best teams, everyone else should just prepare for weird crap to happen, especially the first few games. I'm going to choose to celebrate the fun stuff and DNGAF about the bad. I don't think anyone believes that this team won't be better next year, no matter what they do this year.
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This team will not be good at football until it starts running quarterback draws and option plays.
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Not saying it's why we lost, but, goodness, name another team that plays its backups for 50% of the time on defense in a highly contested game. Playing/rotating lots of guys is fine (particularly on the DL), but when you rotate in/out the entire front seven... it was like watching NHL lineup changes.
Everyone this season
Meh - other teams are proving this talking point to be incorrect.
And, as far as positioning this season as "meaningless" (responding to others) that's ridiculous. It certainly isn't to the players on the field. And, you could actually make the case that this is as good a chance as ever that a team like K-State "could" actually make the playoffs (of course, it certainly won't happen now).
What? Playoffs? First of all, we don't even know if there's going to be any playoffs. Even if we did, having a team make it that didn't even sniff the preseason top 25, I think one vote in either poll, is a ridiculous notion. The only way you rationalized that in your head was because this is a season of a bunch of wild, unforseen crap happening, which is a perfect argument against freaking out when something wild and unforseen happens. Yes, some other teams have looked good after one damn week, who's to say that they won't look like total dogshit the next game?
This season is the ultimate house money season for almost every single team playing, including completely crap teams like KU, Vandy, and Syracuse. The only teams that have any expectations at all are like the 10-15 best teams, everyone else should just prepare for weird crap to happen, especially the first few games. I'm going to choose to celebrate the fun stuff and DNGAF about the bad. I don't think anyone believes that this team won't be better next year, no matter what they do this year.
Nobody thinks/thought K-State in the playoffs was likely to happen. Just saying that in the reality of college football (where, normally, a non-elite program wins a title every 20 years), THIS is/was the best year/opportunity for a non-elite program to make the playoffs/win a title, particularly given all the unknowns/potential issues of this season.
Regardless, here we are, making excuses for losing at home to a good Sun Belt team that just got throttled by a good AAC team.
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What's the last "non-elite" program to win a natty? Washington 91 or Dabo's first?
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OU scored on their first 7 drives then only scored 7 points the rest of the game against a really bad FCS team. Should their fans be freaking out more or less than we are? Those backups are going to have to play big minutes in conference play.
Same for UT, scored their first 7 possessions, but have stalled out since.
Texas Tech has a 1 point lead against Houston Baptist? who? with 2 minutes left in the third quarter.
Three other conference schools have COVID delays
Long story short, there's a lot of weird crap going on, I'll save my freakouts for 2021.
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What's the last "non-elite" program to win a natty? Washington 91 or Dabo's first?
If you're going back to Washington you gotta count Georgia Tech and Colorado, but that's it the last 30 years.
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What's the last "non-elite" program to win a natty? Washington 91 or Dabo's first?
If you're going back to Washington you gotta count Georgia Tech and Colorado, but that's it the last 30 years.
Certainly subjective, but Washington and Clemson could qualify. If not either of either of those, Colorado/Ga Tech in 1990 as MIR said. Before that, BYU in 1984. Before that, Pittsburgh in 1976.
Bottom line (and stating the obvious) - the rate of non-traditional powerhouses winning national titles in college football is very, very low in the last 50-60 years (certainly compared to other sports, all of which, have a true tournament to determine the champion).
Back to the modern era - K-State shouldn't lose to Arkansas State and anything suggesting otherwise is a silly excuse.
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What's the last "non-elite" program to win a natty? Washington 91 or Dabo's first?
If you're going back to Washington you gotta count Georgia Tech and Colorado, but that's it the last 30 years.
Well those were before washington
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What's the last "non-elite" program to win a natty? Washington 91 or Dabo's first?
If you're going back to Washington you gotta count Georgia Tech and Colorado, but that's it the last 30 years.
Certainly subjective, but Washington and Clemson could qualify. If not either of either of those, Colorado/Ga Tech in 1990 as MIR said. Before that, BYU in 1984. Before that, Pittsburgh in 1976.
Bottom line (and stating the obvious) - the rate of non-traditional powerhouses winning national titles in college football is very, very low in the last 50-60 years (certainly compared to other sports, all of which, have a true tournament to determine the champion).
Back to the modern era - K-State shouldn't lose to Arkansas State and anything suggesting otherwise is a silly excuse.
Nobody thinks K-State should lose to Arkansas State, it's just not that big of a deal. They aren't horrible, crap happens.
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OU scored on their first 7 drives then only scored 7 points the rest of the game against a really bad FCS team. Should their fans be freaking out more or less than we are? Those backups are going to have to play big minutes in conference play.
Same for UT, scored their first 7 possessions, but have stalled out since.
Texas Tech has a 1 point lead against Houston Baptist? who? with 2 minutes left in the third quarter.
Three other conference schools have COVID delays
Long story short, there's a lot of weird crap going on, I'll save my freakouts for 2021.
2021 will be as bad or worse than this team I think. Lose both senior linebackers, 2/3 best corners , Hubert probably goes to NFL, QB will either be a redshirt freshman or true freshman. Our RB situation can’t get any worse I guess but even if Will Swanson is the crap he won’t be as good as Briley Moore is now at TE. The 2021 class is shaping up to be really solid and 2022 looks promising too but the product on the field the next few years is going to be rough.
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OU scored on their first 7 drives then only scored 7 points the rest of the game against a really bad FCS team. Should their fans be freaking out more or less than we are? Those backups are going to have to play big minutes in conference play.
Same for UT, scored their first 7 possessions, but have stalled out since.
Texas Tech has a 1 point lead against Houston Baptist? who? with 2 minutes left in the third quarter.
Three other conference schools have COVID delays
Long story short, there's a lot of weird crap going on, I'll save my freakouts for 2021.
2021 will be as bad or worse than this team I think. Lose both senior linebackers, 2/3 best corners , Hubert probably goes to NFL, QB will either be a redshirt freshman or true freshman. Our RB situation can’t get any worse I guess but even if Will Swanson is the crap he won’t be as good as Briley Moore is now at TE. The 2021 class is shaping up to be really solid and 2022 looks promising too but the product on the field the next few years is going to be rough.
QB will be just as good if not better, sorry wackycat. The lines will be better, the skill positions will be better. I don't know what Briley Moore's draft prospects are along with Hubert, haven't seen either of them being mentioned in that way, but they both could be back.
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Not saying it's why we lost, but, goodness, name another team that plays its backups for 50% of the time on defense in a highly contested game. Playing/rotating lots of guys is fine (particularly on the DL), but when you rotate in/out the entire front seven... it was like watching NHL lineup changes.
Everyone this season
Meh - other teams are proving this talking point to be incorrect.
And, as far as positioning this season as "meaningless" (responding to others) that's ridiculous. It certainly isn't to the players on the field. And, you could actually make the case that this is as good a chance as ever that a team like K-State "could" actually make the playoffs (of course, it certainly won't happen now).
What? Playoffs? First of all, we don't even know if there's going to be any playoffs. Even if we did, having a team make it that didn't even sniff the preseason top 25, I think one vote in either poll, is a ridiculous notion. The only way you rationalized that in your head was because this is a season of a bunch of wild, unforseen crap happening, which is a perfect argument against freaking out when something wild and unforseen happens. Yes, some other teams have looked good after one damn week, who's to say that they won't look like total dogshit the next game?
This season is the ultimate house money season for almost every single team playing, including completely crap teams like KU, Vandy, and Syracuse. The only teams that have any expectations at all are like the 10-15 best teams, everyone else should just prepare for weird crap to happen, especially the first few games. I'm going to choose to celebrate the fun stuff and DNGAF about the bad. I don't think anyone believes that this team won't be better next year, no matter what they do this year.
Nobody thinks/thought K-State in the playoffs was likely to happen. Just saying that in the reality of college football (where, normally, a non-elite program wins a title every 20 years), THIS is/was the best year/opportunity for a non-elite program to make the playoffs/win a title, particularly given all the unknowns/potential issues of this season.
Regardless, here we are, making excuses for losing at home to a good Sun Belt team that just got throttled by a good AAC team.
I think the AAC is the new Big East and on the verge of becoming a power conference. Look at all the air time this conference gets.
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After doing some other Big 12 scouting tonight the good news is we can probably hang with just about all of them. SEC got it right yet again. Skip all the noncons so there’s no risk of embarrassment.
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Not saying it's why we lost, but, goodness, name another team that plays its backups for 50% of the time on defense in a highly contested game. Playing/rotating lots of guys is fine (particularly on the DL), but when you rotate in/out the entire front seven... it was like watching NHL lineup changes.
Everyone this season
Meh - other teams are proving this talking point to be incorrect.
And, as far as positioning this season as "meaningless" (responding to others) that's ridiculous. It certainly isn't to the players on the field. And, you could actually make the case that this is as good a chance as ever that a team like K-State "could" actually make the playoffs (of course, it certainly won't happen now).
What? Playoffs? First of all, we don't even know if there's going to be any playoffs. Even if we did, having a team make it that didn't even sniff the preseason top 25, I think one vote in either poll, is a ridiculous notion. The only way you rationalized that in your head was because this is a season of a bunch of wild, unforseen crap happening, which is a perfect argument against freaking out when something wild and unforseen happens. Yes, some other teams have looked good after one damn week, who's to say that they won't look like total dogshit the next game?
This season is the ultimate house money season for almost every single team playing, including completely crap teams like KU, Vandy, and Syracuse. The only teams that have any expectations at all are like the 10-15 best teams, everyone else should just prepare for weird crap to happen, especially the first few games. I'm going to choose to celebrate the fun stuff and DNGAF about the bad. I don't think anyone believes that this team won't be better next year, no matter what they do this year.
Nobody thinks/thought K-State in the playoffs was likely to happen. Just saying that in the reality of college football (where, normally, a non-elite program wins a title every 20 years), THIS is/was the best year/opportunity for a non-elite program to make the playoffs/win a title, particularly given all the unknowns/potential issues of this season.
Regardless, here we are, making excuses for losing at home to a good Sun Belt team that just got throttled by a good AAC team.
I think the AAC is the new Big East and on the verge of becoming a power conference. Look at all the air time this conference gets.
Indeed, wannabe AAC member Coastal Carolina destroying our bros 28-3 at half.
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Regardless, here we are, making excuses for losing at home to a good Sun Belt team that just got throttled by a good AAC team.
I think there’s a good argument that the loss actually gave them an advantage. Just look at the 0-1 FCS 40 point underdog that barely lost at TTU.
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This thread is hilarious.
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OU scored on their first 7 drives then only scored 7 points the rest of the game against a really bad FCS team. Should their fans be freaking out more or less than we are? Those backups are going to have to play big minutes in conference play.
Same for UT, scored their first 7 possessions, but have stalled out since.
Texas Tech has a 1 point lead against Houston Baptist? who? with 2 minutes left in the third quarter.
Three other conference schools have COVID delays
Long story short, there's a lot of weird crap going on, I'll save my freakouts for 2021.
2021 will be as bad or worse than this team I think. Lose both senior linebackers, 2/3 best corners , Hubert probably goes to NFL, QB will either be a redshirt freshman or true freshman. Our RB situation can’t get any worse I guess but even if Will Swanson is the crap he won’t be as good as Briley Moore is now at TE. The 2021 class is shaping up to be really solid and 2022 looks promising too but the product on the field the next few years is going to be rough.
QB will be just as good if not better, sorry wackycat. The lines will be better, the skill positions will be better. I don't know what Briley Moore's draft prospects are along with Hubert, haven't seen either of them being mentioned in that way, but they both could be back.
Elevated QB play would be a pleasant surprise but I just don’t see it for next year. 2022 and 2023 could be really good. I like the long term outlook with Klieman, just need to suffer through a few more years of transition.
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OU scored on their first 7 drives then only scored 7 points the rest of the game against a really bad FCS team. Should their fans be freaking out more or less than we are? Those backups are going to have to play big minutes in conference play.
Same for UT, scored their first 7 possessions, but have stalled out since.
Texas Tech has a 1 point lead against Houston Baptist? who? with 2 minutes left in the third quarter.
Three other conference schools have COVID delays
Long story short, there's a lot of weird crap going on, I'll save my freakouts for 2021.
2021 will be as bad or worse than this team I think. Lose both senior linebackers, 2/3 best corners , Hubert probably goes to NFL, QB will either be a redshirt freshman or true freshman. Our RB situation can’t get any worse I guess but even if Will Swanson is the crap he won’t be as good as Briley Moore is now at TE. The 2021 class is shaping up to be really solid and 2022 looks promising too but the product on the field the next few years is going to be rough.
QB will be just as good if not better, sorry wackycat. The lines will be better, the skill positions will be better. I don't know what Briley Moore's draft prospects are along with Hubert, haven't seen either of them being mentioned in that way, but they both could be back.
Elevated QB play would be a pleasant surprise but I just don’t see it for next year. 2022 and 2023 could be really good. I like the long term outlook with Klieman, just need to suffer through a few more years of transition.
Well he did lose his DC just like Prince did after the first season. We'll see how long he keeps his OC.
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Memphis would have beat us by a bajillion yesterday. :frown:
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Dudes! We suck!
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the thing that sticks with me the most was how badly we would have gotten slaughtered if not for their dumb mistakes. i mean, you take away the blocked punt, the fumble when its like 2nd and goal, and most crucially when it was 2nd and california and sky throws it away so its going to be 3rd and 33 but the ASU guy is like "lmao this is boring" and decides to get a roughing the passer. I mean seriously we should have lost by 3 scores. if you look at all the other stats besides the score, you would have thought we lost by 3 scores.
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All three of their starting LBs were out with dang Covid!
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After doing some other Big 12 scouting tonight the good news is we can probably hang with just about all of them. SEC got it right yet again. Skip all the noncons so there’s no risk of embarrassment.
Very astute reputation protection by the SEC. Kings of CFB yet again.
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This team will not be good at football until it starts running quarterback draws and option plays.
Yes, and QB leads/power. Bill was crotchety old geezer at the end who didn’t recruit, but he never failed to put taking an offensive advantage over the head health of his quarterbacks.
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https://247sports.com/Article/Kansas-State-bettor-loses-65000-Arkansas-State-upset-151384044/
Tom
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peggy po: beers in the stadium.. the boys were buzzin
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https://247sports.com/Article/Kansas-State-bettor-loses-65000-Arkansas-State-upset-151384044/
Tom
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Idiotic
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I too prefer being good.
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Our safeties are either atroctious or very poorly coached. I'm worried its very much both.
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Our safeties are either atroctious or very poorly coached. I'm worried its very much both.
I think we’ve been decimated by injuries and dudes opting out. The guys we have left are Hrebec (no disrespect) level.
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OU is gonna enjoy every bite of this game in a few weeks for "revenge" The cats aren't ready for Big 12 play at all and it showed.
MakeitRain was also very right with the covid tests. I just hope we are able to field an entire team without any complications. I don't think we will be in great shape this season and just be thankful we can even watch the cats lose. :ksu:
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the thing that sticks with me the most was how badly we would have gotten slaughtered if not for their dumb mistakes. i mean, you take away the blocked punt, the fumble when its like 2nd and goal, and most crucially when it was 2nd and california and sky throws it away so its going to be 3rd and 33 but the ASU guy is like "lmao this is boring" and decides to get a roughing the passer. I mean seriously we should have lost by 3 scores. if you look at all the other stats besides the score, you would have thought we lost by 3 scores.
We also had like 2 sure TDs dropped, and if Sky had been accurate on a few others maybe a few more. The place we got outplayed was on the line, which is obv important, but we weren't crushed, or were going to be crushed by 3 scores. You could tell this once we got plays in the open. They had dumb mistakes, but we had plenty too.
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Agree w/ @cfbandyman
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the thing that sticks with me the most was how badly we would have gotten slaughtered if not for their dumb mistakes. i mean, you take away the blocked punt, the fumble when its like 2nd and goal, and most crucially when it was 2nd and california and sky throws it away so its going to be 3rd and 33 but the ASU guy is like "lmao this is boring" and decides to get a roughing the passer. I mean seriously we should have lost by 3 scores. if you look at all the other stats besides the score, you would have thought we lost by 3 scores.
We also had like 2 sure TDs dropped, and if Sky had been accurate on a few others maybe a few more. The place we got outplayed was on the line, which is obv important, but we weren't crushed, or were going to be crushed by 3 scores. You could tell this once we got plays in the open. They had dumb mistakes, but we had plenty too.
i hope you're right. but this did not feel like UMass or EKU or LA Tech games of yore where snyder refused to open the playbook and then finally at the end they did just enough to get the W. We looked overmatched across the board, with the exception of the deep ball where we just dropped a few but big12 defenses will shut that down in a hurry. I want to be wrong but this feels like a 4 win season with a lot of games not being even remotely competitive. and i'm not trying to catzacker it up or anything i mean we just really looked that un-good.
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It's also been a very strange offseason. We had less preparation and less conditioning than normal. We also are going to struggle with depth all season due to players testing positive for COVID. I think we can expect to get destroyed by teams with more depth, like OU and Texas, and expect weird things, both positive and negative, against everyone else all year long.
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the thing that sticks with me the most was how badly we would have gotten slaughtered if not for their dumb mistakes. i mean, you take away the blocked punt, the fumble when its like 2nd and goal, and most crucially when it was 2nd and california and sky throws it away so its going to be 3rd and 33 but the ASU guy is like "lmao this is boring" and decides to get a roughing the passer. I mean seriously we should have lost by 3 scores. if you look at all the other stats besides the score, you would have thought we lost by 3 scores.
We also had like 2 sure TDs dropped, and if Sky had been accurate on a few others maybe a few more. The place we got outplayed was on the line, which is obv important, but we weren't crushed, or were going to be crushed by 3 scores. You could tell this once we got plays in the open. They had dumb mistakes, but we had plenty too.
i hope you're right. but this did not feel like UMass or EKU or LA Tech games of yore where snyder refused to open the playbook and then finally at the end they did just enough to get the W. We looked overmatched across the board, with the exception of the deep ball where we just dropped a few but big12 defenses will shut that down in a hurry. I want to be wrong but this feels like a 4 win season with a lot of games not being even remotely competitive. and i'm not trying to catzacker it up or anything i mean we just really looked that un-good.
Eh, we were up 21-7 and looked fine, it was more like to me we got too cute and really didn't play our hand well (o line being meh as previously discussed). I didn't think we look overmatched, it looked more like 2011 k-state where instead of us being us, we were the other team we eeked the win out against. They exploited our weaknesses, and we just acted like we could bully them and it didn't work.
I also said it a bit earlier ITT but our offensive plan was pretty trash, Messingham (I get it's exciting and it could work) has us throw the ball vertically way too much, especially early, and early in a game with a super green o-line, is a bad recipe for when it doesn't work. We needed a better plan to get the offense into a groove with some easy plays, and then go big. Probably too much my opinion but the results in this game seem to speak for themselves, we got out of sync and stayed there until we finally went to the edges and did more sweeps and bubble screens and quick slants.
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Our defense was poop. They had a chance to win the game and couldn't do it.
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I’m pretty sure I could catch a pass if it was a spiral and not thrown super hard and only AJ Parker covering me.
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I’m pretty sure I could catch a pass if it was a spiral and not thrown super hard and only AJ Parker covering me.
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Only because you can practice it against one of your children.
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Not that AJ is some kind of world beater but he’s clearly better than Robinson and Thomas.
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Yeah, I picked him because he was the best one
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Ou is going to put an all timer ass beating on us
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Ou is going to put an all timer ass beating on us
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How many points will you give me?
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What's the line? -21?
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https://twitter.com/GeorgeStoia/status/1305955907034124289
They had COVID and we couldn't beat them. :blindfold:
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we had covid too. everyone in CFB has covid
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we had covid too. everyone in CFB has covid
O is admitting it!
https://twitter.com/BrodyAMiller/status/1305902674223730688
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OFFENSE
Being without Duffie hurt us -- Beebe was totally inept out there. Hopefully when Duffie returns that can get shored up a little bit. Although he's listed as a tackle on the depth chart, Beebe strikes me as more of a natural guard -- 6'3 326 is not the ideal height/weight dimension there. FWIW, I thought Leveston did a bad job on the left side too, so chin-up Beebe. Logan Long must be pretty terrible. Between Beebe/Leveston and our 3rd string Center, the performance on saturday pretty much makes sense.
Harry Trotter? More like Charles Jones, imo. God bless him, but there's no way he should ever be getting 16 touches in a game. Deuce is my favorite offensive player on our team and is going to have a bonkers career, IMO! Everything I hoped Warmack could be.
Skylar Thompson still looks like a sophomore. I like CK as a human and football player and recruiter, but i think he's done a remarkably bad job of developing Skylar Thompson.
DEFENSE
Our poor, depleted safeties. Ryan Hennington will spend very little time in purgatory because of the undeserved abuse he got on Saturday, so he has that going for him. Hubert needs to stop doing everything he possibly can to get a sack on every single play, because sometimes, Wyatt, offenses will decide to hand the ball off. Parker needs to stop reading his own press clippings in the Manhattan Mercury! He's a pretty good CB, but if he wants that 1st team all conference stuff, he better play better.
Our DTs got some fun pass rushing oppys -- probably due to a bad interior line. Front 7 was astoundingly bad against the run.
All in all, a horrible performance, though understandable under the circumstances. This year will likely suck. I'm encouraged by the OL help we have coming down the pike -- but that fruit probably won't bear until '22 or so.
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Agreed on Beebe. He looked very chonky and inept out there. Didn't realize he is a RS Freshman tho. Can get better!
I was grumbling the whole game about Trotter, but kept telling myself "it's the line, not him". But he is what he is and it shouldn't be a big 12 starter, imo. He did have a few good runs towards the end of the 4th.
Deuce has "it". This cut made something move.
https://twitter.com/WIBWMitchel/status/1304858769919299584
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Lynch Mob not back?
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OFFENSE
Harry Trotter? More like Charles Jones, imo. God bless him, but there's no way he should ever be getting 16 touches in a game. Deuce is my favorite offensive player on our team and is going to have a bonkers career, IMO! Everything I hoped Warmack could be.
Skylar Thompson still looks like a sophomore. I like CK as a human and football player and recruiter, but i think he's done a remarkably bad job of developing Skylar Thompson.
agree fully on these points. i had a mini-argument via text during the game about trotter after i dubbed him harry "two-yard" trotter. he is not a threat. he seems like a stud IRL, fwiw.
was disappointed in Skylar but i think he was in pretty intense pain most of the game.
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yeah i'm sure trotter is a baller IRL, but he's a crappy big 12 runningback. they say runningbacks are a dime a dozen, and I think that's pretty much true for 90% of them -- with the exception of 5% at the top and 5% at the bottom. trotter may be that bottom 5%.
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Hopefully Lamar Jackson wasn't watching Trotter :|
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Charles Jones is an excellent comparo
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We got Jonathan Adams some Heisman "votes"
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/page/HeismanWatch200915/heisman-watch-trevor-lawrence-picks-where-left-spencer-rattler-joins-race
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We got Jonathan Adams some Heisman "votes"
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/page/HeismanWatch200915/heisman-watch-trevor-lawrence-picks-where-left-spencer-rattler-joins-race
Wait until you see what we do for Spencer Rattler.
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What's the line? -21?
The game is in two weeks bub. If this is going to be an "all timer ass beating" you're going to need to give me more than 21.
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I’ve seen-24
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What happened to Jarcadia Wright?
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What happened to Jarcadia Wright?
my guess is he's out due to covid stuff and hasn't been able to practice much.
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What happened to Jarcadia Wright?
Doesn't matter, the Deuce is loose.
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What happened to Jarcadia Wright?
my guess is he's out due to covid stuff and hasn't been able to practice much.
I think he got dinged up in fall camp a little bit -- if memory serves it wasn't a covid issue that kept him out on saturday. maybe like a shoulder or elbow or something.
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What happened to Jarcadia Wright?
Doesn't matter, the Deuce is loose.
I loved Deuce this game, but we need a Wright or hell Trotter to be our 1-3 yard guys. Using Duece to run between tackles is very loller to me. Love the kid, but being 5'5" and 165 isn't going to cut it.
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You say that, but I trust Deuce to get that yardage more than the others. Dog fight size all that.
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Often times, those short yardage situations are where you bust the big ones.
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You say that, but I trust Deuce to get that yardage more than the others. Dog fight size all that.
wright was pretty good last year. had a really good game against ISU
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LRBIQ here. Did we lose our running back by committee from last season? Is
Trotter all that was left? De V. is a true freshman, correct?
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LRBIQ here. Did we lose our running back by committee from last season? Is
Trotter all that was left? De V. is a true freshman, correct?
The other two from last year were grad transfers. This year will also be running back by committee, all Klieman teams have been, but the other dudes are hurt or rona'd.
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I take it that we are not very experienced at RB.
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Klieman inherited a roster with 0 scholarship running backs so yea I’d say that’s a fair assessment
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Is there a recording of the game I can watch while teleworking so that I can make some competent posts about gridiron football?
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Is there a recording of the game I can watch while teleworking so that I can make some competent posts about gridiron football?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndPYbbM2rwc
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Is there a recording of the game I can watch while teleworking so that I can make some competent posts about gridiron football?
Can/have you made posts about the work situ abroad? In the appropriate thread of course.
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Look at Dlew! Talkin’ football again here on lil ol’ gE. :cheers:
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Earvin opted out. Probably good because he had concussion/s last year.
I thought he looked great in his opportunities.
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It was a terrible loss. Rona or not, personnel shortage or not.
Reading people trying to explain it away is comedy.
K-State spends more on football than AState's entire athletic budget.
The K-State budget line item(s) for football coaches is more than every line item for AState's entire football operation.
Losing to AState is by every measure a terrible loss.
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Earvin opted out. Probably good because he had concussion/s last year.
I thought he looked great in his opportunities.
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I'd forgotten about him, didn't realize he opted out
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Is there a list somewhere of all the opter outers? Also who was the two year starter at CB that entered the portal and is not currently on a roster?
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It was a terrible loss. Rona or not, personnel shortage or not.
Reading people trying to explain it away is comedy.
K-State spends more on football than AState's entire athletic budget.
The K-State budget line item(s) for football coaches is more than every line item for AState's entire football operation.
Losing to AState is by every measure a terrible loss.
Yep, embarrassing
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Still doesn't mean anything
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It's embarrassing like having toilet paper stuck to your shoe when you leave the bathroom. Like "LMAO how embarrassing" but it doesn't matter at all. You just put it in the trash and move on and everyone forgets about it
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Bad Loss now defined as “embarrassing loss”.
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Dax this isn’t a real season, good grief.
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I would say the NDSU fans agree.
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Dax this isn’t a real season, good grief.
Then hopefully K-State has increased the salary reductions of the coaching staff substantially if they aren’t coaching a real season.
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https://www.kwch.com/content/news/K-States-Chris-Klieman-oscar-Weber-agree-to-salary-reduction-amid-COVID-19-pandemic-570053251.html
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Dax this isn’t a real season, good grief.
this is the kind of season a super try hard/x's o's coach can take advantage of.
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What's the line? -21?
The game is in two weeks bub. If this is going to be an "all timer ass beating" you're going to need to give me more than 21.
Looks like Vegas is prepared to give you -27
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Is there a recording of the game I can watch while teleworking so that I can make some competent posts about gridiron football?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndPYbbM2rwc
i haven't watched it yet, please no spoilers anybody
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What's the line? -21?
The game is in two weeks bub. If this is going to be an "all timer ass beating" you're going to need to give me more than 21.
Looks like Vegas is prepared to give you -27
Not that I'd bet anything this season but I'd be inclined to snatch those points right up. What an absolute ridiculous line.
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Don't think will be playing Saturday anyhow.... :Chirp:
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https://twitter.com/highlight_q/status/1308481544072429568
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Sky has been in treatment all week and has barely practiced. It's pretty concerning he got banged up so severely in week 1 that he can barely continue the season. :dunno:
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I thought he took last week off and practiced this week :dunno:
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a lot of P5 programs have as many as 8 legit OTs on their roster and at least 6. Snyder left us with 0 for this year and Klieman couldn't find one ready to play for the last 2 recruiting classes. I sincerely believe ksu has the worst OT situation in college fb
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a lot of P5 programs have as many as 8 legit OTs on their roster and at least 6. Snyder left us with 0 for this year and Klieman couldn't find one ready to play for the last 2 recruiting classes. I sincerely believe ksu has the worst OT situation in college fb
Today I learned every scholarship OT on most P5 rosters are legit, except for ours.
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a lot of P5 programs have as many as 8 legit OTs on their roster and at least 6. Snyder left us with 0 for this year and Klieman couldn't find one ready to play for the last 2 recruiting classes. I sincerely believe ksu has the worst OT situation in college fb
Today I learned every scholarship OT on most P5 rosters are legit, except for ours.
we dont have any
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Is there a recording of the game I can watch while teleworking so that I can make some competent posts about gridiron football?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndPYbbM2rwc
i haven't watched it yet, please no spoilers anybody
rolling to purp :ksu: these BLM patches have me all rough ridin' revved to seize the means of production
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the knowing that we suck and lost allows me to watch and enjoy stress free
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duece looks even smaller than i imagined :love:
gus's love for duece is infectious
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knowles with the gnarly one handed snag :emawkid: did you guys see that???
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knowles with the gnarly one handed snag :emawkid: did you guys see that???
obv would have been a walk in TD if skyye didnt make him lay out for it
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21-7 feeling pretty good. are you sure we lose this?
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oh. :goodbyecruelworld:
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lol that onside kick. this is a prank game for a joke season
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is trotter a coach's son or something?
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taunting while standing over persons is a penalty? pussification of america has made it to my gridiron.
i want that taunting fullback to get (more) touches. seems like a stud
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hubert is overusing the selfy emote, but he is doing good
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hubert is overusing the selfy emote, but he is doing good
oh i accidentally rewound it and watched the same sack twice
i have my work computer and home computer next to each other with the keyboards back to front so i keep typing on the wrong keyboard :curse:
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we look really bad in the third. before that, it wasnt so bad. this is bad.
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4th looks worse. That snap...
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The ending was extra pitiful.
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I'm ready for competent football posting.
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puni i appreciated experiencing your journey over the course of like 10-15 uninterrupted posts. the highs, the lows, the wtfs.
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It was really hard because this xenophobic website made me captcha every 5 minutes
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thank you puni
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There you go, d-rew.
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So k-state is down 12 guys after being down 10 against Central Arkansas. We will never truly know who is out for OU because they quit sharing that information a few weeks ago.
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My God. Remember when we stuffed Arkansas State on the first drive of the season to make them go 3 and out, then we blocked the punt and recovered, then we scored a TD on our second play from scrimmage with a perfect throw from Skyler to a perfect route from Phillip Brooks? And I thought we were gonna run the table and win a natty? Life comes at you fast. :frown:
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When is the absolute time when it’s known if this game will be played or not?
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they test tomorrow
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Ou by 30
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You like OU to cover then, how much you putting on it?
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All the farms
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I think OU will win by 30+ but wouldn't bet a fraction of a farm on it! It's a wacky college football season!
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I like the cats to cover
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I like the cats to cover
Same
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Good news, guys. Kansas State Football Wildcats will shown in 4K on directv this Saturday!
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Good news, guys. Kansas State Football Wildcats will shown in 4K on directv this Saturday!
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The first game was as well. The best part about it is they don't play ads, they stick with in stadium cameras and audio during the ad breaks.
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Busses have left so maybe they will play :driving:
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our defense is going to be missing some key pieces tomorrow. with all our pieces our defense was a disaster against a lower level program. can't imagine what OU is going to do to us. i miss the days when our D put a hurt on people. seems like we've had undersized DBs for 20 years now.
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our defense is going to be missing some key pieces tomorrow. with all our pieces our defense was a disaster against a lower level program. can't imagine what OU is going to do to us. i miss the days when our D put a hurt on people. seems like we've had undersized DBs for 20 years now.
Who cares man
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our defense is going to be missing some key pieces tomorrow. with all our pieces our defense was a disaster against a lower level program. can't imagine what OU is going to do to us. i miss the days when our D put a hurt on people. seems like we've had undersized DBs for 20 years now.
Who cares man
yeah.. anyone taking this season serious needs their head checked
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I'm starting to think that a season with like 1 win would at least be more interesting than a super mediocre season.
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Defense sucks and has no discipline. Offense isn't that good either.
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Our defense sucking surprises me, our best and most experienced athletes are on that side and our head coach is a defensive guy.
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I think our defense has been pretty good so far today.
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Why do you think that chum1? Bc they're only giving up like 8 ypp?
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Why do you think that chum1? Bc they're only giving up like 8 ypp?
Maybe my expectations are low, but they've given up 14 points halfway through the second quarter. Two interceptions. Good open field tackling.
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I'm so sick of Dylan Meier. Put in the freshman.
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Defense is a mess
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Hubert is incredibly aggressive at getting completely out of position. Big motor at sucking.
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Hubert is incredibly aggressive at getting completely out of position. Big motor at sucking.
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I am owned
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He’s a hell of an athlete but he makes a crap ton of plays that make you think he is a complete dumbass
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It looks like losing Sean was a bigger deal than the haters would like to admit
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It looks like losing Sean was a bigger deal than the haters would like to admit
Was thinking same on the last KOR
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Really have to give Klanderman credit for regrouping for this game.
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I am not a smart man
MIR fbiq is much much higher than mine
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Well said, Chings! Hope you enjoyed the game!
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Duke is a beast
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Never a doubt in my mind that we would be a legit contender to win the big12
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gE and Cat football. Rising again together!
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https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/1309943794700353536?s=20
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EMAW NATION IS RISING!
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Can’t wait for Studs & duds
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Can’t wait for Sky in the NFL!
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Who was that team that showed up in the second half?
:horrorsurprise:
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