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Title: Beirut
Post by: Institutional Control on August 04, 2020, 11:18:07 AM
Whoa.

https://twitter.com/romyjournalist/status/1290671518154985472?s=20
Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 04, 2020, 11:45:43 AM
I've seen like 5 different angles of the fireworks mushroom cloud and that's just crazy.
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Post by: steve dave on August 04, 2020, 02:04:51 PM
like tianjin. it's nuts.
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Post by: Brock Landers on August 04, 2020, 02:14:19 PM
Best damn baseball player dat ever lived
Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: LickNeckey on August 04, 2020, 02:29:26 PM
 some are suggesting that it is potentially a Hezbollah arms depot that erupted.

Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 04, 2020, 02:35:47 PM
keeping an arms depot next to/on a harbor would be like a super galaxy brain idea.
Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 04, 2020, 02:50:05 PM
Supposedly "seized" AN is one narrative.

Lots of criticism of storage and lack of security and oversight. 

Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: LickNeckey on August 04, 2020, 02:54:14 PM
keeping an arms depot next to/on a harbor would be like a super galaxy brain idea.

Hezbollah has long been accused of maintaining arms stores in Urban settings. 

Port location would be efficient logistically.

If eliminated by a state actor this could get interesting.

Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 04, 2020, 03:15:14 PM
keeping an arms depot next to/on a harbor would be like a super galaxy brain idea.

Hezbollah has long been accused of maintaining arms stores in Urban settings. 

Port location would be efficient logistically.

If eliminated by a state actor this could get interesting.

I wouldn't disagree with this but it sure would be dumb to try and defend that spot considering they really don't have much of a navy
Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: 8manpick on August 04, 2020, 03:28:58 PM
keeping an arms depot next to/on a harbor would be like a super galaxy brain idea.

Hezbollah has long been accused of maintaining arms stores in Urban settings. 

Port location would be efficient logistically.

If eliminated by a state actor this could get interesting.

I wouldn't disagree with this but it sure would be dumb to try and defend that spot considering they really don't have much of a navy
clearly the defense didn’t work out very well
Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on August 04, 2020, 04:13:43 PM
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The cause of the explosions was not immediately known but a top official, General Security chief Abbas Ibrahim, said confiscated explosive materials had been stored at the city's port.

"It appears that there is a warehouse containing material that was confiscated years ago, and it appears that it was highly explosive material," he said.

Whatever was in the warehouse was "apparently explosive", folks

That was incredible footage of the blast wave moving out from the explosion
Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 04, 2020, 04:16:40 PM
There has to be hundreds dead right?
Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: Institutional Control on August 04, 2020, 04:17:48 PM
Initial reports say 30.
Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: Pete on August 04, 2020, 04:41:23 PM
This one brought me into the pit....wowza.  What can even make an explosion that big in that small of a storage area?
Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on August 04, 2020, 04:49:20 PM
Initial reports say 30.
AP is now reporting 60 but I don't see how it could be less than 100's with the amount of debris and the size of that blast wave.
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Post by: IPA4Me on August 04, 2020, 04:53:33 PM
This one brought me into the pit....wowza.  What can even make an explosion that big in that small of a storage area?
Fertilizer. Murrow Building in OKC came to mind when I saw the initial reports and blast videos.

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Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: Pete on August 04, 2020, 04:56:26 PM
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Lebanon’s Prime Minister Hassan Diab said that those responsible for an explosion at a “dangerous” warehouse in Beirut port area that rocked the capital would pay the price.

“I promise you that this catastrophe will not pass without accountability. ... Those responsible will pay the price,” he said in a televised speech. “Facts about this dangerous warehouse that has been there since 2014 will be announced and I will not preempt the investigations”.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-lebanon-security-blast-primeminsiter/lebanon-pm-says-those-responsible-for-beirut-explosion-will-pay-the-price-idUSKCN2502M3
Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: Pete on August 04, 2020, 04:57:49 PM
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Lebanon’s Prime Minister Hassan Diab said that those responsible for an explosion at a “dangerous” warehouse in Beirut port area that rocked the capital would pay the price.

“I promise you that this catastrophe will not pass without accountability. ... Those responsible will pay the price,” he said in a televised speech. “Facts about this dangerous warehouse that has been there since 2014 will be announced and I will not preempt the investigations”.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-lebanon-security-blast-primeminsiter/lebanon-pm-says-those-responsible-for-beirut-explosion-will-pay-the-price-idUSKCN2502M3

"One of these days guys, we gotta remember to remove the fiercely, horribly, frighteningly explosive stuff from that warehouse.  DON'T LET ME FORGET, OKAY!"
Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: Institutional Control on August 04, 2020, 05:08:21 PM
https://twitter.com/billneelynbc/status/1290761746291007489?s=21


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Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: Pete on August 04, 2020, 05:15:05 PM
2020 really is the year where it would be best to eliminate murphy's law type things if possible. 
Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: cfbandyman on August 04, 2020, 05:19:51 PM
It is easily the largest non-atomic explosion I've ever seen on film. Just insane.

I agree it has to be something like ammonia nitrate or the like, I would imagine munitions would more explode in waves, not all at once. Like OKC was just a ryder truck of that crap, that is like silos of it.

Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: Institutional Control on August 04, 2020, 05:30:06 PM
OKC was 2.5 tons compared to 2750 tons.


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Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: cfbandyman on August 04, 2020, 05:33:07 PM
OKC was 2.5 tons compared to 2750 tons.


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Yeah just read that (finally have a little time to catch up). Makes sense on the literal several orders of magnitude difference
Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: puniraptor on August 05, 2020, 06:33:45 AM
Just catching up on the videos, holy god.

I am trying to learn from this as I am 100% the person that would have my face glued to the window watching the explosion.
Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: cfbandyman on August 05, 2020, 07:08:34 AM
The before/after is insane

https://twitter.com/AbirGhattas/status/1290971057143283712
Title: Beirut
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2020, 07:37:46 AM
Nice storage arrangement for that stuff. Pic from 8/4.

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Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on August 05, 2020, 09:10:31 AM
For some reason, I thought ammonium nitrate had to be mixed with something like diesel fuel (like OKC bomb) to make an explosive (obvs I was wrong about that). Can someone with chemistry knowledge explain this to me?

Looks like their storage standards were pretty lax. Not sure what they could have done worse other than stack the stuff in the form of a shaped charge pointed toward downtown.

Speaking of bombs, does anyone know EMAW hero Jordan Powell?

[youtube]https://youtu.be/oU31oXrXzFE[/youtube]
Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 05, 2020, 09:15:35 AM
I also did not know that stuff by itself is like super gasoline on steroids.
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Post by: cfbandyman on August 05, 2020, 09:53:29 AM
You all need to watch the OKC doc (I think it's on Netflix still just called Oklahoma City IIRC) and/or get yourself the anarchist cookbook (though get yourself on the FBI watch list I'm sure). Don't bother getting the turner diaries, that is just straight cray cray crap that was MAGA before MAGA knew it was MAGA (see SD's photos of the trailblazer guy, that guy def has the turner diaries)
Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: IPA4Me on August 05, 2020, 10:28:17 AM
Decent explanations of the explosion.

https://theconversation.com/what-is-ammonium-nitrate-the-chemical-that-exploded-in-beirut-143979

https://news.sky.com/story/beirut-explosion-what-is-ammonium-nitrate-and-why-is-it-so-dangerous-12042671

Will be interesting to learn what was actually on fire ahead of the explosion. I read their were fireworks and you can see what looks like that in the videos.
Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on August 05, 2020, 11:20:39 AM
Decent explanations of the explosion.

https://theconversation.com/what-is-ammonium-nitrate-the-chemical-that-exploded-in-beirut-143979

https://news.sky.com/story/beirut-explosion-what-is-ammonium-nitrate-and-why-is-it-so-dangerous-12042671

Will be interesting to learn what was actually on fire ahead of the explosion. I read their were fireworks and you can see what looks like that in the videos.
Thanks. It looked like it could be fireworks from those videos but I guess it could have been something like ammunition for small arms or grenades or something
Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: Institutional Control on August 05, 2020, 02:10:27 PM
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1291047236063961090?s=20
Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on August 05, 2020, 02:12:18 PM
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1291047236063961090?s=20
Awful
Title: Re: Beirut
Post by: Katpappy on August 05, 2020, 04:01:13 PM
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1291047236063961090?s=20

Hope she was wearing her Tena pad.  :horrorsurprise: