Post by: TheHamburglar on June 07, 2020, 07:09:30 PM
Post by: wetwillie on June 07, 2020, 07:35:23 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on June 07, 2020, 07:56:58 PM
Post by: TheHamburglar on June 07, 2020, 08:09:27 PM
Post by: TheHamburglar on June 07, 2020, 08:13:31 PM
Where are you seeing this?
My original post was somewhat younger-in-cheek, but starting to see tweets saying things like Kirk is reaching out to old players asking if he needs to move on so Iowa can move forward.
It will be interesting to see where this goes. Like one player tweeted out he quit before his senior year because he had diagnosed & medicated ADHD and the strength and LB coaches had called him dumb and simple Jack to the point his self-esteem was completely shot and he finally just broke.
Post by: bucket on June 07, 2020, 09:08:39 PM
Where are you seeing this?
My original post was somewhat younger-in-cheek, but starting to see tweets saying things like Kirk is reaching out to old players asking if he needs to move on so Iowa can move forward.
It will be interesting to see where this goes. Like one player tweeted out he quit before his senior year because he had diagnosed & medicated ADHD and the strength and LB coaches had called him dumb and simple Jack to the point his self-esteem was completely shot and he finally just broke.
I'd be shocked to see Kirk Ferentz forced out
Post by: treysolid on June 07, 2020, 09:33:14 PM
Post by: wetwillie on June 07, 2020, 09:45:56 PM
Post by: TheHamburglar on June 07, 2020, 09:54:50 PM
it sounds like the s&c coach is the main problem, but obviously he could be just the tip of the culture spear, so to speak.
Player story I included was about LB coach. Another player came out and said Kirk was good, but there was racism in the program coming from the ST coach and Kirk’s son.
Post by: Trim on June 07, 2020, 09:55:15 PM
Post by: manpow5 on June 07, 2020, 10:16:53 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on June 08, 2020, 03:56:56 AM
Also there are no ties with Klieman to The University of Iowa, never played there, never coached there. He's just as tied to Iowa as Dave Doeren is tied to K-State.
Post by: cfbandyman on June 08, 2020, 08:14:59 AM
Post by: TheHamburglar on June 08, 2020, 09:11:45 AM
2. $5 million is the base minimum in the BigTen now. We’re nickle and diming to get a couple extra headcount in the recruiting office, so I doubt we’d come close to that. I have a hard time believing he stays if Iowa offers him the Mel Tucker contract.
I’m not saying I think this is going to happen, but I can see a reasonable path to it. Does Kirk fire his son is the big question.
Post by: MakeItRain on June 08, 2020, 06:02:58 PM
Post by: pissclams on June 15, 2020, 10:51:59 AM
Post by: Pete on June 15, 2020, 11:00:44 AM
the s&c coach is out
Let's invite him to tell the REAL story on EMAW.com
Post by: Pete on June 15, 2020, 11:01:21 AM
the s&c coach is out
Let's invite him to tell the REAL story on EMAW.com
Wait, unless he's a racist prick, and then no deal for the real.
Post by: WildcatNkilt on June 15, 2020, 11:48:59 AM
Post by: WildcatNkilt on June 15, 2020, 11:50:30 AM
WTF
Post by: WildcatNkilt on June 15, 2020, 11:51:34 AM
Post by: wetwillie on June 15, 2020, 01:11:48 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on June 15, 2020, 04:53:20 PM
How much do Strength coaches make? That seems like 3 or 4 full years of pay.
He made $880,000/ year highest paid strength coach in the country
Post by: wetwillie on June 15, 2020, 06:01:08 PM
Post by: bucket on November 16, 2020, 09:11:22 AM
Post by: Gooch on November 16, 2020, 09:15:29 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 16, 2020, 10:44:36 AM
Post by: wiley on November 16, 2020, 05:20:00 PM
S. Carolina could be very happy with Matt Campbell's yearly 7-5 campaigns.Seems like a potential spot for Neal Brown.
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Post by: IPA4Me on November 17, 2020, 05:33:47 AM
His goal is Kentucky. South Carolina is the wrong direction. Although Columbia isn't too bad of a drive to Louisville.S. Carolina could be very happy with Matt Campbell's yearly 7-5 campaigns.Seems like a potential spot for Neal Brown.
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Post by: TheHamburglar on November 29, 2020, 01:21:25 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 29, 2020, 03:27:50 PM
Derek Mason out at Vandy.
“The Vandy job is an interesting case study because with SEC TV deals and a $6.9 billion endowment, they can pay a lot of money”
LOFL. ENDOWMENT!
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2020, 03:58:31 PM
Derek Mason out at Vandy.
“The Vandy job is an interesting case study because with SEC TV deals and a $6.9 billion endowment, they can pay a lot of money”
LOFL. ENDOWMENT!
lol, it is easily the worst job in the P5.
Post by: PurpleOil on November 30, 2020, 08:00:56 AM
Derek Mason out at Vandy.
“The Vandy job is an interesting case study because with SEC TV deals and a $6.9 billion endowment, they can pay a lot of money”
LOFL. ENDOWMENT!
lol, it is easily the worst job in the P5.
No way Vandy is worse than KU, NC State, or Rutgers. I'd also argue that it's better in some cases than WF, BC, and Tennessee because you don't have to deal with unreasonable expectations but have a decent budget to work with.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 30, 2020, 08:07:30 AM
The Vandy athletic department is literally a department within a college at the university.
With that said, it could be a little easier to hide endowment giving to support athletics, or at least make it slightly more difficult for those seeking to find out that information because the endowment giving would be to an academic college.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 30, 2020, 08:14:29 AM
Derek Mason out at Vandy.
“The Vandy job is an interesting case study because with SEC TV deals and a $6.9 billion endowment, they can pay a lot of money”
LOFL. ENDOWMENT!
lol, it is easily the worst job in the P5.
No way Vandy is worse than KU, NC State, or Rutgers. I'd also argue that it's better in some cases than WF, BC, and Tennessee because you don't have to deal with unreasonable expectations but have a decent budget to work with.
Vandy doesn't have an actual stand alone athletic department and unlike all of those other schools, they cannot get any player they want admitted to the university. All those other schools will get a player in once they get past the NCAA Clearinghouse. Also Vandy has to play football in the SEC, they have the steepest hole to dig out of in all of college football.
Post by: PurpleOil on November 30, 2020, 08:31:57 AM
Things I did not know.
Post by: 'taterblast on November 30, 2020, 03:40:37 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 30, 2020, 04:19:39 PM
will Klieman save Herman's job on Saturday? People are asking!
Not even Jesus could save Tom Herman now
Post by: KST8FAN on November 30, 2020, 05:17:25 PM
Tom
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Post by: kashi1965 on November 30, 2020, 06:35:28 PM
How may of UT guys have opted out... OT, LB?i haven't noticed any? have you?
Tom
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Post by: bucket on November 30, 2020, 06:50:19 PM
How may of UT guys have opted out... OT, LB?
Tom
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They had an OT opt out for the NFL draft recently and a DB who transferred to Georgia Tech.
They just had a DB opt out for the NFL draft 13 minutes ago.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on November 30, 2020, 06:53:38 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 30, 2020, 07:04:48 PM
Is any site keeping a running tally on Opt Out/Transfers? Curious is we are still leading by a wide margin
I don't think much has changed since we last discussed it...we have 10 (including the player that died). TCU has 6 and it looks like a few have 5.
https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Football/TransferPortal/
Post by: WillieWatanabe on November 30, 2020, 07:09:51 PM
Is any site keeping a running tally on Opt Out/Transfers? Curious is we are still leading by a wide margin
I don't think much has changed since we last discussed it...we have 10 (including the player that died). TCU has 6 and it looks like a few have 5.
https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Football/TransferPortal/
thanks!
I assume Derek Mason will land somewhere quickly? he seemed pretty respected nationally
Post by: Kat Kid on November 30, 2020, 07:58:38 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 30, 2020, 07:59:07 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on November 30, 2020, 08:01:05 PM
When does the axe fall on The 'Baugh?
soon.
what was the reason he left the NFL again? cuz he's a dick? saw a couple NFL teams may be interested again
Post by: michigancat on November 30, 2020, 08:12:19 PM
When does the axe fall on The 'Baugh?
soon.
what was the reason he left the NFL again? cuz he's a dick? saw a couple NFL teams may be interested again
I don't know, he had a mediocre season also makes more money at Michigan than he did for the niners.
Post by: Kat Kid on November 30, 2020, 09:02:12 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 30, 2020, 09:05:36 PM
All of the Michigan fans on Twitter want Matt Campbell. It is pretty funny. Go ahead, get him out of here I definitely don’t want to see if he is going to keep that program decent.
Also Neal Brown can gtfo to uSC, we are going to need the nortards to suck crap for potato face to have any shot of winning
Post by: michigancat on November 30, 2020, 09:34:35 PM
All of the Michigan fans on Twitter want Matt Campbell. It is pretty funny. Go ahead, get him out of here I definitely don’t want to see if he is going to keep that program decent.
Also Neal Brown can gtfo to uSC, we are going to need the nortards to suck crap for potato face to have any shot of winning
Neal Brown is not scary
Post by: MakeItRain on November 30, 2020, 09:36:50 PM
All of the Michigan fans on Twitter want Matt Campbell. It is pretty funny. Go ahead, get him out of here I definitely don’t want to see if he is going to keep that program decent.
Also Neal Brown can gtfo to uSC, we are going to need the nortards to suck crap for potato face to have any shot of winning
Neal Brown is not scary
They're beating the crap out of us on the field and in recruiting.
Post by: michigancat on November 30, 2020, 09:42:04 PM
They'll tie us in the standings this year and were two games back last year. Got lucky against us last year.All of the Michigan fans on Twitter want Matt Campbell. It is pretty funny. Go ahead, get him out of here I definitely don’t want to see if he is going to keep that program decent.
Also Neal Brown can gtfo to uSC, we are going to need the nortards to suck crap for potato face to have any shot of winning
Neal Brown is not scary
They're beating the crap out of us on the field and in recruiting.
Recruiting is a good point.
Post by: michigancat on November 30, 2020, 10:28:10 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 01, 2020, 08:35:27 AM
Post by: michigancat on December 01, 2020, 09:54:35 AM
It kind of feels like Michigan is going to turn themselves into Nebraska, but they have enough resources that that probably won't happen.
yeah they're in the middle of a densely populated region and actually have roots there and a fantastic reputation academically, too.
TBH I'd probably just ride it out with Harbaugh as long as he keeps this up:
https://247sports.com/college/michigan/Season/2021-Football/Commits/
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 01, 2020, 10:12:38 AM
This season sucks, but it also doesn't really count. Most of the coaches getting fired are getting fired because the school already wanted to get rid of them before the season and waiting until after saves them on the buyout. I can't imagine legitimately wanting to fire someone based on the results of this season, or giving them a big new contract, either, for that matter.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 01, 2020, 10:35:19 AM
Post by: michigancat on December 01, 2020, 10:44:58 AM
That's better than I rememberd, tbh. You may be right. What are his records against rivals? Not sure on Michigan State other than that one embarrassing one they gave away on a blocked punt returned for a TD on the last play of the game, but what about against Ohio State? Has The 'Baugh even been competitive in his games against them, like, at all? They're paying him either $9MM or $10MM a year, right?7.5 million (at least based on a quick Google) and he hasn't beat ohio state. That's the only rival that really matters to then but I'd still ride it out until recruiting starts to dip
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 01, 2020, 10:48:00 AM
Post by: michigancat on December 01, 2020, 10:49:16 AM
He's never won a game against Ohio State. He also loses bowl games regularly, which makes the win totals more impressive, imo. I wouldn't bet on their next coach beating Ohio State, either.Yeah bowl games don't matter. Coaches should never be evaluated based on bowl performance unless they win the CFP
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 01, 2020, 10:55:51 AM
Post by: wetwillie on December 01, 2020, 11:52:37 AM
Post by: PurpleOil on December 01, 2020, 01:10:58 PM
Post by: cas4ksu on December 01, 2020, 04:46:08 PM
Hard to say. Prior to Herman at UT, I wouldn't think that fanbase would go that low. However, they've now had over a decade of frustration and a real string of head scratching losses by multiple coaches. They may just be willing to run a dirty program for a bit to get back on top.
Every fan base should be willing to do that. Also, Urb has never gotten his program on probation IIRC. I guess what I’m saying is there is a difference between being a scumbag and running a dirty program.
Post by: ChiComCat on December 01, 2020, 04:56:46 PM
Post by: PurpleOil on December 01, 2020, 05:28:12 PM
Post by: Spracne on December 01, 2020, 07:50:50 PM
I can't imagine Urban wanting to deal with UT booster crap. That said, ND isn't likely to open anytime soon so if he wants to get back in it then UT is as good a job as he's likely to find this year.
What, in your mind, does "UT booster crap" entail? I think The Urb can handle hanging out at the country club.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 01, 2020, 08:01:05 PM
Hard to say. Prior to Herman at UT, I wouldn't think that fanbase would go that low. However, they've now had over a decade of frustration and a real string of head scratching losses by multiple coaches. They may just be willing to run a dirty program for a bit to get back on top.
What do you mean by "go that low?" Urban Meyer hate is weird a.f. almost all of it is rooted in people hating the dude from quitting Florida before he killed himself.
Also Meyer potentially replacing Herman is hilarious and juicy. Meyer publicly slapped Herman when he took over UT because Herman kept trashing the players in the program and Chuck Strong. Urban was pissed because Will Muschamp did the same thing to Urban after he left Florida, which is hilarious in retrospect. Urban and Tom also had beef over the Zach Smith stuff.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 01, 2020, 08:03:00 PM
I can't imagine Urban wanting to deal with UT booster crap. That said, ND isn't likely to open anytime soon so if he wants to get back in it then UT is as good a job as he's likely to find this year.
What, in your mind, does "UT booster crap" entail? I think The Urb can handle hanging out at the country club.
Also this may seem crazy but UT would be a much more chill job for him than Florida or Ohio State.
Post by: 8manpick on December 01, 2020, 08:03:28 PM
As if Ohio State and Florida didn’t have “Booster crap”I can't imagine Urban wanting to deal with UT booster crap. That said, ND isn't likely to open anytime soon so if he wants to get back in it then UT is as good a job as he's likely to find this year.
What, in your mind, does "UT booster crap" entail? I think The Urb can handle hanging out at the country club.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 01, 2020, 08:05:27 PM
As if Ohio State and Florida didn’t have “Booster crap”I can't imagine Urban wanting to deal with UT booster crap. That said, ND isn't likely to open anytime soon so if he wants to get back in it then UT is as good a job as he's likely to find this year.
What, in your mind, does "UT booster crap" entail? I think The Urb can handle hanging out at the country club.
Could you imagine the backwoods hillbillies and inbreds with a little bit of money he had to deal with at those schools?
Post by: wetwillie on December 01, 2020, 08:06:45 PM
I can't imagine Urban wanting to deal with UT booster crap. That said, ND isn't likely to open anytime soon so if he wants to get back in it then UT is as good a job as he's likely to find this year.
“The Urb” my god it’s the best
What, in your mind, does "UT booster crap" entail? I think The Urb can handle hanging out at the country club.
Post by: Spracne on December 01, 2020, 08:09:47 PM
I can't imagine Urban wanting to deal with UT booster crap. That said, ND isn't likely to open anytime soon so if he wants to get back in it then UT is as good a job as he's likely to find this year.
What, in your mind, does "UT booster crap" entail? I think The Urb can handle hanging out at the country club.
Also this may seem crazy but UT would be a much more chill job for him than Florida or Ohio State.
Yeah, it's a pretty cush job. UT fans aren't super aggressive or over-the-top. If people think Urban would be heading to Midland/Odessa to eat bull nuts fried in crude oil or whatever, that's not the case. It's mostly just mingling with wealthy people in Austin, and I think he would easily fit in with that crowd.
Post by: wetwillie on December 01, 2020, 08:11:56 PM
Post by: Pete on December 01, 2020, 09:56:27 PM
I would enjoy the holy crap out of Bob vs Urban in the Big 12. :love:
Post by: ChiComCat on December 02, 2020, 12:22:38 PM
I can't imagine Urban wanting to deal with UT booster crap. That said, ND isn't likely to open anytime soon so if he wants to get back in it then UT is as good a job as he's likely to find this year.
What, in your mind, does "UT booster crap" entail? I think The Urb can handle hanging out at the country club.
I've just always heard that the boosters there were unbearable. I think Urban was unhappy with Ohio State's discipline/involvement in his program and don't think that he's going to be interested in dealing with billionaire oil people potentially trying to involve themselves in his program, outside of cutting some checks.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on December 03, 2020, 09:19:41 AM
Dare to dream....Bob is rough ridin' around on campus getting his coaching boner going again. Lincoln could take an NFL job and Bob could come back to calm the waters.
I would enjoy the holy crap out of Bob vs Urban in the Big 12. :love:
would need the facial hair to stay :love:
Post by: Kid In the Hall on December 03, 2020, 12:54:46 PM
Meyer's "problem" (if you want to call it that) is that he genuinely believes he can "save" every bad apple on the planet who happens to be very good at football. That probably won't ever change and will cause him issues wherever he goes.
Post by: wetwillie on December 03, 2020, 12:57:57 PM
Post by: bucket on December 04, 2020, 06:24:46 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 04, 2020, 06:25:20 PM
https://twitter.com/kbohls/status/1334879222800773120Let's do this for Texas, and the league
Post by: wetwillie on December 04, 2020, 06:46:25 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on December 04, 2020, 06:48:09 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2020, 01:58:29 AM
Herman's gone right? they just aren't saying it yet, i assume
If he was already gone, they'd say, early signing period and all. If Meyer has said no, or just not yes yet, I can see them keeping him. It seems like their best other options are Sark After Dark, Mario Cristobal, and Eric Bienemy. Those choices make it much tougher to scare up the $30 million buyout for Herman and his staff. If he loses either of the next two, I don't know how he can save his job, no matter who they can line up.
Post by: CHONGS on December 05, 2020, 07:27:51 AM
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Post by: MakeItRain on December 11, 2020, 08:35:53 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on December 13, 2020, 11:19:59 AM
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1338169068780736518
Post by: wetwillie on December 13, 2020, 11:22:00 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2020, 12:42:35 PM
Kevin Sumlin got crap canned at Arizona.
Proud Paul is the interim. They got beat 70-7 and the AD made the defensive coordinator the interim :ROFL: they're supposed to play Cal next Saturday.
Post by: TheHamburglar on December 13, 2020, 01:22:17 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 13, 2020, 01:24:13 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 13, 2020, 01:26:20 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 13, 2020, 01:28:35 PM
Post by: TheHamburglar on December 13, 2020, 01:30:09 PM
Post by: Spracne on December 13, 2020, 01:30:25 PM
Firing your coach this season is pretty ridiculous. It only makes sense if you wanted to fire him last year but couldn't afford the buyout. I don't even support us firing oscar this year.
Somebody (not me) could look at the contracts of these fired coaches and see how much time was left on their respective deals, if they were due retention bonuses if employed next year, etc.
Post by: TheHamburglar on December 13, 2020, 01:31:08 PM
Firing your coach this season is pretty ridiculous. It only makes sense if you wanted to fire him last year but couldn't afford the buyout.
If this was true far any coach, it’s Auburn/Gus.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2020, 02:00:39 PM
These sec jobs seemingly will cause a domino effect but they tend to be incestuous with these positions. They'll be filled by other coaching retreads and SEC coordinators.
Post by: ben ji on December 13, 2020, 02:40:29 PM
Post by: CHONGS on December 13, 2020, 05:01:37 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 13, 2020, 05:09:37 PM
Let's get Gus for OCHe's gonna get a million a year (or a lot more) doing that somewhere in the SEC after a year off
Post by: CHONGS on December 13, 2020, 05:30:59 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 13, 2020, 05:48:28 PM
What is life without hope?Renowned football expert weighs in on our current OC
https://twitter.com/Ian_A_Boyd/status/1337106395313934339?s=19
Post by: michigancat on December 13, 2020, 05:48:54 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 13, 2020, 05:52:30 PM
What is life without hope?Renowned football expert weighs in on our current OC
https://twitter.com/Ian_A_Boyd/status/1337106395313934339?s=19
I feel like Ian Boyd is saying that in the way we said David Beaty just needed more time and Sheahon Zulu was a good AD
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2020, 05:56:14 PM
What is life without hope?Renowned football expert weighs in on our current OC
https://twitter.com/Ian_A_Boyd/status/1337106395313934339?s=19
I feel like Ian Boyd is saying that in the way we said David Beaty just needed more time and Sheahon Zulu was a good AD
He's definitely not. I think outside of _FAN I don't think there's anyone on twitter more familiar with our schemes
Post by: michigancat on December 13, 2020, 05:57:32 PM
Post by: CHONGS on December 13, 2020, 06:01:18 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2020, 06:02:17 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2020, 06:02:58 PM
I mean I'm not blaming messingham for anything or think he did a particularly bad job, I just think Gus is a huge upgrade.
Definitely
Post by: michigancat on December 13, 2020, 06:07:30 PM
Boyd has been hyping this staff since before day one, he thought they were a slam dunk hire and said so before the hire even happened.
He honestly convinced me that Klieman was a good idea before the hire was made.
He's probably doing a bit of the hype to feel better about his early support but he also knows his stuff
Post by: wetwillie on December 13, 2020, 06:54:40 PM
Boyd has been hyping this staff since before day one, he thought they were a slam dunk hire and said so before the hire even happened.
He honestly convinced me that Klieman was a good idea before the hire was made.
He's probably doing a bit of the hype to feel better about his early support but he also knows his stuff
Pretty big gap between shouldn’t fire him and phenomenal job. Also the OL was not the hindrance, it was having an NAIA WR Corp.
Post by: michigancat on December 13, 2020, 06:57:18 PM
Also the OL was not the hindrance, it was having an NAIA WR Corp.
OL was absolutely a hindrance for the first of the year at least. not the only one for sure.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2020, 08:16:11 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 13, 2020, 08:41:32 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2020, 09:04:34 PM
Post by: PurpleOil on December 14, 2020, 06:50:48 AM
Post by: wetwillie on December 14, 2020, 07:14:42 AM
It's hard to properly judge the rest of the offense when you have a quarterback who gave it to the other team more times than he either ran or threw it into the endzone.
A lot of truth to that
Post by: ChiComCat on December 14, 2020, 08:25:31 AM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on December 14, 2020, 08:32:45 AM
will be fun to watch where everyone ends up
Post by: kashi1965 on December 14, 2020, 08:33:02 AM
Agree to disagree on Knowles. Taylor is a #2, including for Kansas State. I included Moore because he's a pass catching tight end, what does it matter if he's 5 steps inside of the slot?i think Knowles and Taylor are definitely #2s at below average B12 programs and maybe #3s. They wouldn't see the field at OU, UT, OSU. Our WR group definitely needs upgraded with a couple slot guys who can change direction on a dime. Messingham basically has to scheme our WRs open because they are unable to lose their defenders on their own. We need some cat who can't be covered like Lockett
Post by: 8manpick on December 14, 2020, 08:37:26 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on December 14, 2020, 09:09:20 AM
Post by: CHONGS on December 14, 2020, 09:15:22 AM
We should definitely get a top 20 NFL receiver type guy, that would help out a lot.While I like the idea, let's go bigger. Let's get top 20 (or 30 if necessary) NFL talent at every position. I've been doing some stats, and if you really dig into the numbers it becomes clear that having the best players leads to more wins.
Post by: PurpleOil on December 14, 2020, 12:09:23 PM
Auburn actually fired Guz. :bwpopcorn:
He'll always have 2013
Having him as OC would certainly help Offensive recruiting. We may even be able to get a decent QB then!
I can dream, right?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 14, 2020, 03:35:12 PM
We should definitely get a top 20 NFL receiver type guy, that would help out a lot.
Right?
Post by: PurpleOil on December 14, 2020, 03:44:57 PM
Rumor mill says he's headed to Liberty.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 14, 2020, 03:52:10 PM
Didn't see it posted here yet, but Briles has officially resigned from his high school coaching position at Mount Vernon, TX.
Rumor mill says he's headed to Liberty.
What job did Freeze take.
Post by: PurpleOil on December 14, 2020, 07:36:17 PM
That's why I separated and clarified those two statements from each other.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 14, 2020, 07:54:11 PM
Rumor Mill =/= Official
That's why I separated and clarified those two statements from each other.
I wasn't questioning you, I think where Freeze goes, if he goes anywhere, is the most intriguing part of the carousel this year.
Post by: PurpleOil on December 15, 2020, 07:27:44 AM
I have to think he's on the short list for Auburn. We know that school has no issues with cheating, and Freeze is one of the very few people to demonstrate the ability to beat Saban. Seems like a fit.
Post by: PurpleOil on December 15, 2020, 07:44:56 AM
Our buddy Blake Anderson is leaving Arkansas State for Utah State. I think Arkansas State is a better job, but it can't be easy remaining in Jonesboro after that man lost his wife.
Arkansas State has hired Butch Jones as their new head coach.
I don't think that's a bad move for the program.
Post by: PurpleOil on December 15, 2020, 08:00:43 AM
Post by: ben ji on December 15, 2020, 10:12:13 AM
Didn't see it posted here yet, but Briles has officially resigned from his high school coaching position at Mount Vernon, TX.
Rumor mill says he's headed to Liberty.
What job did Freeze take.
I've heard Freeze's name mentioned for the Auburn job.
Post by: wetwillie on December 15, 2020, 11:13:06 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 15, 2020, 12:11:23 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2020, 12:52:37 PM
Post by: ben ji on December 15, 2020, 01:05:06 PM
Post by: Kid In the Hall on December 15, 2020, 02:46:45 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 15, 2020, 02:56:28 PM
Post by: Kid In the Hall on December 15, 2020, 03:15:48 PM
Yea that’s not true
Yeah, it is. Take a look at the schools and who's been on probation over the last 20 years (and don't just look in the major sports - some of these schools - like Auburn - cheat in things like swimming and diving). The three schools I mentioned are the only ones that truly/consistently take it seriously across the board.
Post by: wetwillie on December 15, 2020, 03:27:20 PM
Post by: Kid In the Hall on December 15, 2020, 03:31:08 PM
I’m definitely not going to look for NCAA violations going back 20 years for non revenue sports you weirdo
Totally understand. Though, probably best then to not chime in when you don't know what you're talking about.
Post by: wetwillie on December 15, 2020, 03:42:45 PM
I’m definitely not going to look for NCAA violations going back 20 years for non revenue sports you weirdo
Totally understand. Though, probably best then to not chime in when you don't know what you're talking about.
Somehow Georgia landed the #1 recruiting class in 2020 and did it 100% above board because well just take your word for it.
Post by: Kid In the Hall on December 15, 2020, 03:56:31 PM
I’m definitely not going to look for NCAA violations going back 20 years for non revenue sports you weirdo
Totally understand. Though, probably best then to not chime in when you don't know what you're talking about.
Somehow Georgia landed the #1 recruiting class in 2020 and did it 100% above board because well just take your word for it.
Never said they weren't cheating - just that they take compliance more seriously the most of the rest of their league. That's backed up by their lack of citations from the NCAA - aside from Todd Gurley selling autographs, Georgia's football program hasn't been dinged for major infractions in a long time.
Regardless, obviously, it'd be really bizarre for a blue blood program that's about to finish in the top 10 for the fourth-straight year to haul in a great recruiting class.
Believe whatever you want - you're obviously well informed on the subject matter.
Post by: pissclams on December 15, 2020, 04:07:50 PM
do i have proof? no. but it's true.
Post by: Kid In the Hall on December 15, 2020, 04:33:23 PM
Fun fact! #2 - Auburn has been banned from participating in bowl games nine times - three more than any other school in the country.
Fun fact! #3 - Kansas State has been banned from bowls five times (1970, 1971, 1972, 1978, 1979). Only four schools have been banned more times (Auburn, SMU, Mississippi, Houston).
Post by: star seed 7 on December 15, 2020, 04:37:06 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2020, 09:23:18 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 15, 2020, 09:45:42 PM
Fun fact! #3 - Kansas State has been banned from bowls five times (1970, 1971, 1972, 1978, 1979). Only four schools have been banned more times (Auburn, SMU, Mississippi, Houston).
LMAO they showed us
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2020, 10:58:30 PM
Fun fact! #3 - Kansas State has been banned from bowls five times (1970, 1971, 1972, 1978, 1979). Only four schools have been banned more times (Auburn, SMU, Mississippi, Houston).
LMAO they showed us
Who knew Coach O was inspired by 1970's K-State football?
Post by: chum1 on December 19, 2020, 09:16:58 AM
https://twitter.com/IlliniFootball/status/1340295921595265025
Post by: CHONGS on December 19, 2020, 10:57:11 AM
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Post by: MakeItRain on December 19, 2020, 07:16:19 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on December 22, 2020, 08:43:01 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 22, 2020, 09:00:42 AM
https://twitter.com/TexasTechFB/status/1341233634368491521
Post by: PurpleOil on December 22, 2020, 09:27:48 AM
We had Deloss Dodds at Texas for the longest time, Sheahon Zenger did the lords work at KU, and finally Kirby Hocutt at sand aggie.
Post by: michigancat on December 22, 2020, 10:02:41 AM
Post by: wetwillie on December 22, 2020, 10:26:34 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 22, 2020, 10:51:40 AM
I hope he gets that job.https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1341419449228947457?s=20
Post by: Gooch on December 22, 2020, 11:10:19 AM
Post by: IPA4Me on December 22, 2020, 11:13:45 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on December 22, 2020, 11:18:39 AM
Post by: michigancat on December 22, 2020, 11:20:31 AM
Post by: chum1 on December 22, 2020, 12:07:56 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 22, 2020, 12:09:29 PM
I always love it when a school completely whiffs on a bunch of candidates.
Makes it even more tasty when they pay 21MM to the guy they just shitcanned
Post by: wetwillie on December 22, 2020, 01:39:04 PM
Yea that’s not true
Yeah, it is. Take a look at the schools and who's been on probation over the last 20 years (and don't just look in the major sports - some of these schools - like Auburn - cheat in things like swimming and diving). The three schools I mentioned are the only ones that truly/consistently take it seriously across the board.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/ncaa-places-florida-football-on-probation-coach-dan-mullen-given-show-cause-over-recruiting-violations/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/ncaa-places-florida-football-on-probation-coach-dan-mullen-given-show-cause-over-recruiting-violations/amp/)
:lol:
Post by: Pete on December 22, 2020, 01:44:29 PM
He might want to be a head coach but has an unmentionable sin hanging over his head. We don't know what he wants!
I think it's pretty clear that he doesn't want it. There's no way that "the sin" gets exposed if he's a HC, but somehow magically everyone stays quiet about it as a multiple time NC winning DC for eleventy bajillion years.
Post by: michigancat on December 22, 2020, 01:54:00 PM
He might want to be a head coach but has an unmentionable sin hanging over his head. We don't know what he wants!
I think it's pretty clear that he doesn't want it. There's no way that "the sin" gets exposed if he's a HC, but somehow magically everyone stays quiet about it as a multiple time NC winning DC for eleventy bajillion years.
I know. He definitely seems like one of the better Auburn candidates. But I think he's smart to be choosy. He can potentially get a top 15 program when the HC goes to the NFL or something. No need to go to a place where they are completely wacky and just fired a coach because of a downward trend.
I just don't think we can say he definitely doesn't want to be a head coach.
Post by: DQ12 on December 22, 2020, 01:56:04 PM
i'm done fawning over him. F him for 98 and never redeeming himself with us.
Post by: MadCat on December 22, 2020, 01:58:15 PM
Post by: Havs on December 22, 2020, 03:46:22 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on December 22, 2020, 04:50:07 PM
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Post by: michigancat on December 22, 2020, 04:53:49 PM
https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1341514788569051137?s=19
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oddly enough Harsin replaced Malzahn at Arkansas State too
Post by: WillieWatanabe on December 22, 2020, 04:58:54 PM
I always love it when a school completely whiffs on a bunch of candidates.
yes, it's very refreshing
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 22, 2020, 05:07:57 PM
Even if he's unsuccessful and gets fired after 3 years, that's over 10+ years at his current position (which would put him in his 60's) and he can retire or whatever the hell he wants.
But if he's successful, the world is his oyster.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 23, 2020, 04:58:46 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 24, 2020, 01:52:19 AM
Just wondering, because the trend certainly isn’t headed in that direction. Last season, the 120 FBS schools employed 13 Black head coaches. Three were fired and no African Americans have been hired yet this year (10 open positions have been filled by 10 white men).
And, yes, we know, “college football” isn’t a singular entity. Individually, each hire can be justified (well, unless you read fan message boards). Collectively though, a coincidence that has coincidence-ed for decades just keeps coincidence-ing.
It’s embarrassing.
Or it should be for a sport where the vast majority of administrators, fans and boosters want to be fair-minded and are, at the very least, proponents of a meritocracy that rewards the most qualified, deserving and talented person for a job.
If you agree with the above, yet don’t think there are any problems with the current system of identifying that most qualified, deserving or talented candidate, then you would have to also believe that only 10 African Americans exist who are capable of running a college football program.
For generations aspiring Black coaches have been told they need to ascend to the coordinator level of a major program before getting consideration for the head job at a mid-major program. They then need to win at that middle tier level (MAC, Sun Belt, Conference USA) before being a candidate at a big money, Power 5 school (SEC, Big Ten, ACC).
It wasn’t race that was holding them back, they were told, it was experience. Climb the ladder. Put in the time. Boot straps. Things like that.
Shane Beamer was never an offensive or defensive coordinator. He was most recently the tight ends coach at Oklahoma. South Carolina still made him a first-time head coach earlier this month. Welcome to the SEC.
Jedd Fisch spent one season as a college offensive coordinator — at UCLA in 2017. The Bruins went 6-7. He’s held the title in the NFL, although not of late (he was in his first season as quarterbacks coach for New England). Due to his pro experience, he has limited recruiting experience.
Arizona gave him his first head coaching job this week anyway.
This isn’t fair to Beamer or Fisch, of course. These discussions are never fair. They’ve done nothing wrong. You can’t fault them for accepting really good jobs.
Moreover, it isn’t necessarily fair to Arizona (which just employed an African American coach) or South Carolina. You can’t point and say there is a clear racist element to these hires. It never works that way, though.
And perhaps Beamer and Fisch will turn out to be incredible. Their hirings will be examples of eagle-eyed athletic directors who spotted previously unseen talent.
If so, the skeptics will be proven wrong. At least Fisch and Beamer get the chance to prove it, though.
If it’s no longer a prerequisite to rise to major program coordinator or mid-major head coaching success story, then why do these cast-a-wide-net searches or outside-of-the-box hires rarely seem to happen for an African American?
There isn’t a talented position coach out there (generally pigeon-holed with the running backs or secondary)? No one buried on a NFL staff? No 30-something wunderkind anywhere?
Are there no African American diamonds in the rough? Or are these athletic directors just not combing through all the rough?
What about a Black head coach who could use a second shot? Maybe they got hired once but it didn’t work out perfectly. Through failure they learned and are now ready for a reboot. It happens.
After all, Arkansas State just hired Butch Jones, who was fired at Tennessee in 2017. The University of Louisiana-Monroe went one better and took Terry Bowden, who in the 1990s was a force at Auburn, but most recently produced just one winning season in seven years at Akron.
If Bowden got a third chance, then why is it so rare for a Black head coach to get a second? Is a bad Sun Belt job too much to ask?
It sure seems like ADs, whether they realize it or not, seek out reasons to hire some coaches while finding different reasons to not hire different coaches.
Again, there is no concrete proof. And, again, this is not fair to Jones or Bowden. It’s not their fault.
It’s never anyone’s fault, though. It’s just something that keeps happening. And happening. And happening. Right before our eyes.
Post by: 8manpick on December 24, 2020, 07:33:41 AM
Post by: michigancat on December 24, 2020, 09:51:26 AM
Also worth noting that Karl Dorrell just got a second shot. and as the article mentioned, so did Kevin Sumlin. I think Arizona just loves them some retreads - Sumlin, RichRod, and Mackovic all since 2000
Post by: MakeItRain on December 24, 2020, 10:16:47 AM
I agree it's a real problem.
Also worth noting that Karl Dorrell just got a second shot. and as the article mentioned, so did Kevin Sumlin. I think Arizona just loves them some retreads - Sumlin, RichRod, and Mackovic all since 2000
Sumlin shouldn't be looked at as getting a second chance. He still has the third best winning percentage in program history. He even has a better winning percentage than Bear Bryant and Jimbo.
Post by: ChiComCat on December 24, 2020, 10:18:59 AM
I agree it's a real problem.
Also worth noting that Karl Dorrell just got a second shot. and as the article mentioned, so did Kevin Sumlin. I think Arizona just loves them some retreads - Sumlin, RichRod, and Mackovic all since 2000
Sumlin shouldn't be looked at as getting a second chance. He still has the third best winning percentage in program history. He even has a better winning percentage than Bear Bryant and Jimbo.
If we're talking undeserved second chances then the problem gets a lot more subjective (but probably also a lot more white).
Post by: MakeItRain on December 24, 2020, 10:37:03 AM
I just looked back at UCLA's coaches as well, and Karl Dorrell did much better than I remembered too. He was also over .500, UCLA are really really tough on their coaches. Pretty much every coach there has been over 500, with the exceptions of Neuheisel and Chip, and they've all been fired. Gotta be rough constantly living in USC's shadow.I agree it's a real problem.
Also worth noting that Karl Dorrell just got a second shot. and as the article mentioned, so did Kevin Sumlin. I think Arizona just loves them some retreads - Sumlin, RichRod, and Mackovic all since 2000
Sumlin shouldn't be looked at as getting a second chance. He still has the third best winning percentage in program history. He even has a better winning percentage than Bear Bryant and Jimbo.
If we're talking undeserved second chances then the problem gets a lot more subjective (but probably also a lot more white).
As far as deserved/undeserved second chances I think if you sincerely fail as a coach your next chance should be at a lower level, even if you've spent time as a great assistant since you were fired. Fired as a P5 head coach, your next job should be at a group of 5, and on and on. Prince got his second chance at a FCS. Sark, who failed in multiple ways will get his second chance at a good P5 job, although he's done nothing to show he's capable of running a program without the stress taking him off the rails.
Post by: ChiComCat on December 24, 2020, 10:48:47 AM
I just looked back at UCLA's coaches as well, and Karl Dorrell did much better than I remembered too. He was also over .500, UCLA are really really tough on their coaches. Pretty much every coach there has been over 500, with the exceptions of Neuheisel and Chip, and they've all been fired. Gotta be rough constantly living in USC's shadow.I agree it's a real problem.
Also worth noting that Karl Dorrell just got a second shot. and as the article mentioned, so did Kevin Sumlin. I think Arizona just loves them some retreads - Sumlin, RichRod, and Mackovic all since 2000
Sumlin shouldn't be looked at as getting a second chance. He still has the third best winning percentage in program history. He even has a better winning percentage than Bear Bryant and Jimbo.
If we're talking undeserved second chances then the problem gets a lot more subjective (but probably also a lot more white).
As far as deserved/undeserved second chances I think if you sincerely fail as a coach your next chance should be at a lower level, even if you've spent time as a great assistant since you were fired. Fired as a P5 head coach, your next job should be at a group of 5, and on and on. Prince got his second chance at a FCS. Sark, who failed in multiple ways will get his second chance at a good P5 job, although he's done nothing to show he's capable of running a program without the stress taking him off the rails.
I don't think you're wrong, but could see people arguing about Sumlin or whoever and missing the larger point. I don't know the track record but would think a fired SEC west coach might have a shot elsewhere but struggles in tough division. Sumlin didn't work out but I understand it. Malzahn will be an interesting case as will Big Bert at Illinois.
Post by: wetwillie on December 24, 2020, 11:23:40 AM
Post by: michigancat on December 24, 2020, 11:42:19 AM
Are there lots of black assistant coaches but not very many black head coaches? Like is it a pipeline problem of prospective black coaches not getting into the FBS ranks or is it a matter of they get there but never get a chance to lead the whole program?
without looking at the numbers I'd guess there are many black assistant coaches but few black coordinators. A quick glance of this list only shows one black coordinator among the 15 highest-paid assistants. (Tony Elliott from Clemson)
https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistant#
Post by: wetwillie on December 24, 2020, 11:50:34 AM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 25, 2020, 02:48:00 PM
I want to clown him so badly for not wanting to be a head coach. If auburn actually wanted him that's the best offer he'll get. Turning that down is a clear signal that he will never be a head coach, but it's admirable that he's perfectly content with what he's doing and doesn't feel the need to tie his happiness to being the man.
Or he's waiting on The Call from The Mustang. :Wha: :Wha: :Wha: :Wha: :Wha: :Wha:
Post by: cas4ksu on December 28, 2020, 12:35:56 PM
i don't think brent ever wants to be a head coach.
i'm done fawning over him. F him for 98 and never redeeming himself with us.
I'm not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:love: :love: :love:
Post by: steve dave on January 02, 2021, 10:40:35 AM
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Post by: TheHamburglar on January 02, 2021, 10:48:13 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 02, 2021, 10:51:19 AM
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT?!?!?!?!?!
They gassed homeboy for Sark After Dark!
Post by: chum1 on January 02, 2021, 10:57:15 AM
Post by: wetwillie on January 02, 2021, 11:02:17 AM
Post by: TheHamburglar on January 02, 2021, 11:14:45 AM
He is a really good coach that spiraled out of control with alcohol abuse right?
Yeah
Post by: wiley on January 02, 2021, 11:15:09 AM
He is a really good coach that spiraled out of control with alcohol abuse right?Allegedly, but essentially thats what happened. I think his personal life spiraled pretty hard during that as well. I think he's a solid college OC, id have conerns about him and leading a program like texas though.
Post by: joda on January 02, 2021, 11:15:27 AM
He is a really good coach that spiraled out of control with alcohol abuse right?
Really good is probably a stretch. Possibly, but I don’t know that his coaching results are any better than Mangino.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 02, 2021, 12:07:39 PM
He is a really good coach that spiraled out of control with alcohol abuse right?
Yeah, I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but I'm stunned he's going to get a job this his profile considering what happened to him the last time he had a high profile job. I don't know these ADs are so averse to him working in the sun belt for a couple of years to prove he can handle the responsibility.
Post by: TheHamburglar on January 02, 2021, 12:15:55 PM
https://twitter.com/davidpollack47/status/1345428315419631616?s=21
Post by: wetwillie on January 02, 2021, 12:23:07 PM
Post by: manpow5 on January 02, 2021, 12:25:49 PM
Post by: PurpleOil on January 02, 2021, 12:55:29 PM
The drama around Texas though...
Post by: Spracne on January 02, 2021, 01:03:54 PM
Post by: Kid In the Hall on January 02, 2021, 01:16:51 PM
If this materializes, what a colossal stupid/wasteful hire. And, if you're a UT fan, this is an incredible gut punch to your ego that the program that spends more money on football than anyone else in the nation couldn't get someone better.
Post by: Kat Kid on January 02, 2021, 01:38:22 PM
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Post by: TheHamburglar on January 02, 2021, 01:40:20 PM
Idea— fire kleiman and hire Herman.
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Gross
Post by: wetwillie on January 02, 2021, 01:45:09 PM
Idea— fire kleiman and hire Herman.
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Only if he uses the 15 million to pay out the 4 Million for Klieman
Post by: MakeItRain on January 02, 2021, 02:58:09 PM
Probably no chance this is true, but if it was.
https://twitter.com/davidpollack47/status/1345428315419631616?s=21
Pollack mentioned Brian Kelly earlier today.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 02, 2021, 02:59:49 PM
Idea— fire kleiman and hire Herman.
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Post by: Kat Kid on January 02, 2021, 03:03:02 PM
Idea— fire kleiman and hire Herman.
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lol
Post by: TheHamburglar on January 02, 2021, 03:40:30 PM
Post by: TheHamburglar on January 02, 2021, 03:41:09 PM
Post by: CHONGS on January 02, 2021, 03:41:54 PM
Post by: wetwillie on January 02, 2021, 03:42:17 PM
Did we ever beat Herman?
No sir
Post by: CHONGS on January 02, 2021, 03:45:00 PM
ExcellentDid we ever beat Herman?
No sir
Post by: MakeItRain on January 02, 2021, 03:59:11 PM
Also, I see people shitting all over Brando. I’m blocked, what was he saying?
https://twitter.com/TimBrando/status/1345440861342085121
#humblebrag
https://twitter.com/TimBrando/status/1345456076632809473
Post by: TheHamburglar on January 02, 2021, 04:00:58 PM
Post by: TheHamburglar on January 02, 2021, 04:06:25 PM
If this happens, who gets the tOSU job? Fickell or Campbell?
Post by: Pete on January 02, 2021, 04:08:01 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 02, 2021, 04:35:26 PM
Post by: Pete on January 02, 2021, 06:15:52 PM
https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1345485603316621312?s=21
If this happens, who gets the tOSU job? Fickell or Campbell?
PLEASE TAKE CAMPBELL! :pray:
Post by: wiley on January 02, 2021, 06:19:56 PM
Didnt pray hard enough. They hired Sark apparently.https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1345485603316621312?s=21
If this happens, who gets the tOSU job? Fickell or Campbell?
PLEASE TAKE CAMPBELL! :pray:
Post by: wetwillie on January 02, 2021, 06:21:37 PM
Didnt pray hard enough. They hired Sark apparently.https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1345485603316621312?s=21
If this happens, who gets the tOSU job? Fickell or Campbell?
PLEASE TAKE CAMPBELL! :pray:
Wrong football team, the prayer wants Ohio State to open up and Matt Campbell to take said job.
Post by: wiley on January 02, 2021, 06:24:02 PM
Ahh, thats my fault didn't read the tweet on twitter to get the full context.Didnt pray hard enough. They hired Sark apparently.https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1345485603316621312?s=21
If this happens, who gets the tOSU job? Fickell or Campbell?
PLEASE TAKE CAMPBELL! :pray:
Wrong football team, the prayer wants Ohio State to open up and Matt Campbell to take said job.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 02, 2021, 06:40:05 PM
https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1345485603316621312?s=21
If this happens, who gets the tOSU job? Fickell or Campbell?
They've passed on Fickell twice.
Post by: Cire on January 02, 2021, 07:53:43 PM
I think everyone knows it and no one wants him running their program.
I think he knows it and has parlayed it into a cash cow job at Clemson
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Post by: michigancat on January 02, 2021, 08:46:29 PM
Every program would benefit from good recruiting and superior athletes
Post by: MakeItRain on January 02, 2021, 08:49:55 PM
So he Dick Morris’d that Pollack tweet and then blamed Texas boosters for the firing of Herman. Of course.
I missed this one too, Brando was just being a dick, but K-State fans already knew
https://twitter.com/TimBrando/status/1345423947131719680
Post by: Cire on January 02, 2021, 08:52:16 PM
Stealing signs??? Wtf?https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/danger-sign-how-will-ohio-sate-account-for-clemsons-signal-stealing-reputation-025723575.html
Every program would benefit from good recruiting and superior athletes
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/college/ohiostate/.amp/football/ohio-state-football-acutely-aware-of-clemson-stealing-signs
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/college/2020/11/06/clemson-signal-stealing-dabo-swinney-daily-cover
https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/Article/Ohio-State-football-Justin-Fields-Buckeyes-huddled-more-to-prevent-Clemson-Tigers-sign-stealing-Brent-Venables-College-Football-Playoff-2021-158319669/Amp/
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Post by: Cire on January 02, 2021, 09:28:26 PM
I still think Campbell goes to Michigan.Could have totally misread but I thought I saw that Michigan was looking to extend harbs
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Post by: wetwillie on January 02, 2021, 10:32:22 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on January 03, 2021, 12:15:45 AM
I still think Campbell goes to Michigan.Could have totally misread but I thought I saw that Michigan was looking to extend harbs
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man that is brutal for them.
Post by: TheHamburglar on January 03, 2021, 08:56:57 AM
I still think Campbell goes to Michigan.Could have totally misread but I thought I saw that Michigan was looking to extend harbs
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man that is brutal for them.
Wait & see what the buyout is. The narrative for needing to make a long term decision on Harbaugh was because his contract is up after next year & recruiting. 6 weeks ago when everyone was sure Harbaugh was getting fired/pushed out there were a few whispers of this extension coming, but that he also doesn’t have an agent & was willing to take a greatly reduced buyout that effectively made his contract year-to-year while still having a contract through 2026.
Post by: IPA4Me on January 03, 2021, 10:04:27 AM
They've been talking extension for almost a year now. Must be a big sticking point.I still think Campbell goes to Michigan.Could have totally misread but I thought I saw that Michigan was looking to extend harbs
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man that is brutal for them.
Wait & see what the buyout is. The narrative for needing to make a long term decision on Harbaugh was because his contract is up after next year & recruiting. 6 weeks ago when everyone was sure Harbaugh was getting fired/pushed out there were a few whispers of this extension coming, but that he also doesn’t have an agent & was willing to take a greatly reduced buyout that effectively made his contract year-to-year while still having a contract through 2026.
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Post by: ChiComCat on January 11, 2021, 08:23:56 AM
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/randy-peterson/2021/01/09/iowa-state-football-could-matt-campbell-headed-new-york-jets/6608024002/
Don't get my hopes up
Post by: MakeItRain on January 11, 2021, 10:33:17 AM
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Post by: Pete on January 11, 2021, 05:43:27 PM
I want cambpell to stay at Iowa State as long as possible
Maybe you'd be more comfortable on goEMAC.com, you god damn traitor.
Post by: wetwillie on January 11, 2021, 06:35:20 PM
Post by: Pete on January 11, 2021, 08:32:06 PM
Matt Campbell isn’t making us suck Pete
WELL IT DOESN'T HELP
Post by: michigancat on January 12, 2021, 07:49:46 AM
Matt Campbell isn’t making us suck Pete
WELL IT DOESN'T HELP
I think a strong Iowa State is better for us than a shitty one. Maybe not for our W/L record but definitely for the health of the league. It's better to have good teams in your conference.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 12, 2021, 09:49:26 AM
Matt Campbell isn’t making us suck Pete
WELL IT DOESN'T HELP
I think a strong Iowa State is better for us than a shitty one. Maybe not for our W/L record but definitely for the health of the league. It's better to have good teams in your conference.
How in the world is Iowa State being the 2nd or 3rd best team in any given year any better than anyone else? I don't understand how this argument works for anyone outside of OU and UT.
Post by: ChiComCat on January 12, 2021, 09:50:28 AM
Post by: michigancat on January 12, 2021, 09:54:10 AM
Matt Campbell isn’t making us suck Pete
WELL IT DOESN'T HELP
I think a strong Iowa State is better for us than a shitty one. Maybe not for our W/L record but definitely for the health of the league. It's better to have good teams in your conference.
How in the world is Iowa State being the 2nd or 3rd best team in any given year any better than anyone else?
It isn't, we're better off with multiple teams challenging OU and UT for titles, not OU and a pile of crap. I wish Gundy and Patterson were back to competing for titles, too.
Post by: 'taterblast on January 12, 2021, 10:16:57 AM
https://twitter.com/CoachDreColeman/status/1349021625073676290
Post by: wetwillie on January 12, 2021, 10:18:26 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 12, 2021, 10:34:44 AM
Matt Campbell isn’t making us suck Pete
WELL IT DOESN'T HELP
I think a strong Iowa State is better for us than a shitty one. Maybe not for our W/L record but definitely for the health of the league. It's better to have good teams in your conference.
How in the world is Iowa State being the 2nd or 3rd best team in any given year any better than anyone else?
It isn't, we're better off with multiple teams challenging OU and UT for titles, not OU and a pile of crap. I wish Gundy and Patterson were back to competing for titles, too.
Right, not everyone can be good so Campbell himself being at Iowa State does really nothing for us or the conference anyone could be that #3. The conference was great when Iowa State was shitty.
Post by: michigancat on January 12, 2021, 11:18:22 AM
Matt Campbell isn’t making us suck Pete
WELL IT DOESN'T HELP
I think a strong Iowa State is better for us than a shitty one. Maybe not for our W/L record but definitely for the health of the league. It's better to have good teams in your conference.
How in the world is Iowa State being the 2nd or 3rd best team in any given year any better than anyone else?
It isn't, we're better off with multiple teams challenging OU and UT for titles, not OU and a pile of crap. I wish Gundy and Patterson were back to competing for titles, too.
Right, not everyone can be good so Campbell himself being at Iowa State does really nothing for us or the conference anyone could be that #3. The conference was great when Iowa State was shitty.
I don't quite understand what you're getting at, but in general I think it's healthy for KSU when similar programs in the league keep good coaches.
Post by: tdaver on January 12, 2021, 11:23:54 AM
Post by: CHONGS on January 12, 2021, 11:25:03 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 12, 2021, 11:28:19 AM
We need OU and UT to be legit contenders every year. That’s all that matters for the perception of the B12’s strength. Any team can be #3, so we might as well clear out any hurdles keeping us from that spot.
This.
Post by: michigancat on January 12, 2021, 11:43:04 AM
We need OU and UT to be legit contenders every year. That’s all that matters for the perception of the B12’s strength. Any team can be #3, so we might as well clear out any hurdles keeping us from that spot.
This.
I don't think that's true in the long term. ISU expanding to (and consistently filling) a 70k seat stadium full of crazy fans would be good for the league. Same with TCU, Baylor, OSU, etc. Recruits want to play in big games, they don't want to freeze their balls off in Ames in front of 30k fans for an easy win.
Post by: Justwin on January 12, 2021, 11:52:43 AM
We need OU and UT to be legit contenders every year. That’s all that matters for the perception of the B12’s strength. Any team can be #3, so we might as well clear out any hurdles keeping us from that spot.
This.
I don't think that's true in the long term. ISU expanding to (and consistently filling) a 70k seat stadium full of crazy fans would be good for the league. Same with TCU, Baylor, OSU, etc. Recruits want to play in big games, they don't want to freeze their balls off in Ames in front of 30k fans for an easy win.
I agree that having better teams in the league is good and lifts the league's profile. The main problem I have with Iowa State is that they are very underwhelming in the non-conference games. It does little to lift the profile of the league when a team that is in the championship game lost to Louisiana.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 12, 2021, 11:57:55 AM
We need OU and UT to be legit contenders every year. That’s all that matters for the perception of the B12’s strength. Any team can be #3, so we might as well clear out any hurdles keeping us from that spot.
This.
I don't think that's true in the long term. ISU expanding to (and consistently filling) a 70k seat stadium full of crazy fans would be good for the league. Same with TCU, Baylor, OSU, etc. Recruits want to play in big games, they don't want to freeze their balls off in Ames in front of 30k fans for an easy win.
I'd by this if we didn't literally have the previous 23 years of evidence to the contrary. The last two seasons, the only school that has benefitted from Iowa State being good is Iowa State. K-State, TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma State, and West Virginia have all been a lot better in the recent past, than they were in 2019 & 2020. There is a finite amount of talent in this region and you're never going to convince us that having someone else coming into Wichita and Kansas City to take the players, that the bluebloods in the middle of the country don't want, is good for everyone else.
Post by: michigancat on January 12, 2021, 12:02:50 PM
We need OU and UT to be legit contenders every year. That%u2019s all that matters for the perception of the B12%u2019s strength. Any team can be #3, so we might as well clear out any hurdles keeping us from that spot.
This.
I don't think that's true in the long term. ISU expanding to (and consistently filling) a 70k seat stadium full of crazy fans would be good for the league. Same with TCU, Baylor, OSU, etc. Recruits want to play in big games, they don't want to freeze their balls off in Ames in front of 30k fans for an easy win.
I'd by this if we didn't literally have the previous 23 years of evidence to the contrary. The last two seasons, the only school that has benefitted from Iowa State being good is Iowa State. K-State, TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma State, and West Virginia have all been a lot better in the recent past, than they were in 2019 & 2020. There is a finite amount of talent in this region and you're never going to convince us that having someone else coming into Wichita and Kansas City to take the players, that the bluebloods in the middle of the country don't want, is good for everyone else.
well, I said long-term. I don't think short term success makes a significant difference to KSU or the league overall.
And who, (other than MAYBE LHC Bill Snyder), has been in the second tier league for 23 seasons and was widely regarded as one of the best coaching prospects in the country? I don't think the last 23 years has proven anything.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 13, 2021, 08:31:42 PM
https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1349395139609980928
Post by: bucket on January 17, 2021, 11:45:49 AM
Good luck, Phil!
Post by: MakeItRain on January 17, 2021, 12:50:03 PM
Post by: Pete on January 27, 2021, 06:06:59 PM
Post by: bucket on January 27, 2021, 09:13:54 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 27, 2021, 11:05:39 PM
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30787522/sources-ucf-josh-heupel-tennessee-volunteers-coach
This is hilarious, I hate Tennessee so much, they deserve this.
Post by: bucket on February 08, 2021, 06:20:54 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on February 08, 2021, 07:04:07 PM
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30787522/sources-ucf-josh-heupel-tennessee-volunteers-coach
This is hilarious, I hate Tennessee so much, they deserve this.
Josh Heupel has a gross face
Post by: 'taterblast on November 12, 2021, 11:02:47 AM
Post by: wetwillie on November 12, 2021, 11:38:04 AM
Post by: chum1 on November 12, 2021, 11:47:00 AM
Post by: KCFDcat on November 12, 2021, 12:39:26 PM
A&M losing their coach is funny. Not sure if they'd really even want to keep him, though. Also not sure if they can get a better one.
Isn’t his buyout like 15m or something outrageous?
Post by: chum1 on November 12, 2021, 12:42:17 PM
A&M losing their coach is funny. Not sure if they'd really even want to keep him, though. Also not sure if they can get a better one.
Isn’t his buyout like 15m or something outrageous?
Yes, something outrageous. $95M if they fire him.
Post by: PurpleOil on November 12, 2021, 01:44:50 PM
A&M losing their coach is funny. Not sure if they'd really even want to keep him, though. Also not sure if they can get a better one.
Isn’t his buyout like 15m or something outrageous?
Yes, something outrageous. $95M if they fire him.
WHAT!? That's insanity!
Also, is no one going to point out the discrepancy between the costs of firing him and the cost of another school taking him away? Seems like A&M wasn't too smart there.
Post by: ChiComCat on November 12, 2021, 01:57:48 PM
A&M losing their coach is funny. Not sure if they'd really even want to keep him, though. Also not sure if they can get a better one.
Isn’t his buyout like 15m or something outrageous?
Yes, something outrageous. $95M if they fire him.
WHAT!? That's insanity!
Also, is no one going to point out the discrepancy between the costs of firing him and the cost of another school taking him away? Seems like A&M wasn't too smart there.
A&M was down to put almost anything in that contract to get Jimbo from FSU
Post by: WildcatNkilt on November 16, 2021, 09:18:59 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 16, 2021, 06:44:33 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 17, 2021, 09:27:54 AM
This is already the widest carousel in recent memory, this year definitely deserved its own thread.
Long shot rumors that could make it really wild in the B12...
Matt Campbell to TCU
Lincoln Riley to LSU (or Aranda if they go way down their list?)
Would have 40% (Tech, TCU, ISU, OU/BU) of the conference w/ a new coach in 22... and who the hell knows what could happen at the UT and WVU over the next month.
Post by: PurpleOil on November 17, 2021, 11:35:01 AM
Post by: wetwillie on November 17, 2021, 11:41:06 AM
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 17, 2021, 11:45:22 AM
No way they can Sark, they may force him to fire half his staff but he isn’t going.
I mean, they're probably spending millions as we speak for someone to investigate a way to fire him w/ cause.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 17, 2021, 01:32:07 PM
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Post by: Spracne on November 21, 2021, 12:43:58 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 21, 2021, 03:48:35 PM
Post by: Trim on November 24, 2021, 10:32:44 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2021, 11:13:43 PM
https://twitter.com/wilnerhotline/status/1464413509484093444
Post by: 8manpick on November 26, 2021, 11:18:20 PM
Post by: Houstoncat93 on November 27, 2021, 08:09:52 AM
Post by: wetwillie on November 27, 2021, 08:36:55 AM
The interwebs sure like the Riley to LSU story. Anybody seen anything credible?
He’s now being followed by Will Wade on twitter, that’s all I got.
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 27, 2021, 04:40:18 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 27, 2021, 04:44:19 PM
Post by: pissclams on November 27, 2021, 04:52:55 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 27, 2021, 07:53:42 PM
Well, Florida State isn't open the other three jobs are equal although it's significantly easier to get to the CFP at USC.
I think it's a hell of a lot harder to recruit to USC than the other places
Post by: MakeItRain on November 27, 2021, 09:23:34 PM
Well, Florida State isn't open the other three jobs are equal although it's significantly easier to get to the CFP at USC.
I think it's a hell of a lot harder to recruit to USC than the other places
That's cire level wrong. Rivals class ratings started in 2002. From 2002-2018 USC were in the top 10: every year but one, that one year they were 13th. In that 17 year time frame they had the #1 class 6 times. Helton got fired because he was an awful recruiter, but even he, in his 6 classes had classes ranked 10, 6, 3, and 8 it was the two classes between that 3 and 8 that did him in. Since Rivals started class rankings USC has had 4 coaches, all of them had at least 1 top 3 class, Helton is the only one to not have multiple top 3 classes.
USC is still easily first choice for all California recruits and most recruits west of the Rockies.
Post by: michigancat on November 27, 2021, 09:36:18 PM
Also why was their 2020 class ranked #71???
Post by: MakeItRain on November 27, 2021, 10:02:39 PM
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The point of this is not to pile on. There really are few losers on signing day. USC’s situation is unique and complex enough that it’s hard to actually compare it to anyone else’s class. When can you say you’ve ever seen one of the truly elite traditional powers in college football recruiting end up with results like this?
The facts are these: the Trojans currently have the No. 78 class in the 247Sports Composite rankings, which puts them in between Bowling Green and Louisiana. This is the lowest-rated class in the Pac-12, although the class size (11 signees) is a big part of that. USC has inked one blue-chip recruit in this class so far, OL Jonah Monheim, and he’s the nation’s No. 350 prospect. USC lost the battle for Flowe and failed to pull off a surprise flip for RB Bijan Robinson (Texas), CB Elias Ricks (LSU) or former QB commit Bryce Young (Alabama). Among the top 25 recruits in the state of California for the 2020 cycle, only one signed with an in-state school on Wednesday — and he’s going to Stanford. In fairness, USC can still land four-star WR Gary Bryant Jr., the No. 7 recruit in the state. But adding another great WR to this team is not going to fix much.
As our Antonio Morales wrote, all this does is clearly illustrate the uphill battle that Clay Helton will continue to face as head coach. New AD Mike Bohn retaining Helton for another year does not suddenly establish stability or silence all the negative recruiting. How do you sell kids on spending their next four to five years at USC if they totally believe this staff is here to stay? Holding onto OC Graham Harrell was a step in the right direction, and the Trojans do have a few promising early pledges for 2021. But a class like this only makes it tougher to rally support and change perception.
Post by: muqluk on November 27, 2021, 10:57:20 PM
Post by: Katpappy on November 27, 2021, 11:21:05 PM
rumor now is Campbell turned down USC and is looking at a long term extension at ISU
I think he got one not too long ago.
Post by: ben ji on November 27, 2021, 11:39:06 PM
What's your coaching destination pecking order among LSU, Florida, Florida State and USC? I think mine is as listed.
USC - Easiest path to the CFP and can still pull in top recruits across the nation and there is tons of talent in their backyard.
Florida - Only above LSU until Nick Saban retires. Talent rich state and SEC East is down to you and UGA most years.
LSU - Seems crazy to put them this low since their last 3 coaches have all won national titles. Once Saban retires this will be a better job then FL.
FSU - The only + here is that they are in the ACC and should have an easier path to the CFP but they are also in the BFE portion of FL that is basically SEC Territory. They are the big 12 equivalent of TX Tech when it comes to how far away they are from the main recruiting/population areas of their state.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 28, 2021, 08:46:01 AM
rumor now is Campbell turned down USC and is looking at a long term extension at ISU
Let’s also keep in mind that Campbell is an iowa 8 and a California 2
Post by: michigancat on November 28, 2021, 09:22:31 AM
Post by: michigancat on November 28, 2021, 09:29:47 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2021, 11:20:45 AM
I think the fact that USC has to play one more conference game than LSU or FSU + Notre Dame every year makes their CFP path more difficult than the pure strength of conference might make it seem.
In that conference? No. The ninth conference game in that conference is booty, especially in that division. Besides the SEC will probably go to 9 conference games when they expand.
Not to mention the very real East Coast bias that's a product of their multiple 10pm kickoffs every season
Not for USC, they are the Spider-Man meme with Texas when it comes to overinflated poll rankings.
https://buckeyescoop.com/the-10-most-overrated-college-football-programs/?amp=1
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 28, 2021, 11:40:06 AM
Post by: michigancat on November 28, 2021, 11:41:40 AM
The bottomless NIH opportunities LA offers probably sets USC apart.Compared to LSU? Nah
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2021, 12:56:41 PM
The bottomless NIH opportunities LA offers probably sets USC apart.Compared to LSU? Nah
I'm gonna guess for a big time athlete being in LA would provide more opportunities than being in Baton Rouge. For run of the mill college football players, yeah, Baton Rouge is better. If Matt Leinart played today, he'd get national ad campaigns and television show appearances, he's getting none of that at LSU. Joe Burrow would have gotten more NIL money at LSU.
Watch how much attention Jaxson Dart gets this off season and then the next. If USC is good next year Dart will be the most popular college football player since Manziel.
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 28, 2021, 02:49:25 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 28, 2021, 02:53:32 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2021, 03:00:54 PM
Post by: nicname on November 28, 2021, 03:02:53 PM
Bro wasn't lying when he said he wouldn't be LSU's Head Coach. Very specific.Taking the path of least resistance. A true competitor.
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Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2021, 03:08:08 PM
Post by: outofstate on November 28, 2021, 03:10:31 PM
Post by: Houstoncat93 on November 28, 2021, 03:11:43 PM
I guess we have the answer to which is the better job. You have to think that OU's move to the SEC hurt them in keeping Lincoln. That's a real shame. :ROFL:
Poor, poor Oklahoma. No playoffs, no conference title game, No coach
:ROFL:
Post by: muqluk on November 28, 2021, 03:12:19 PM
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Post by: outofstate on November 28, 2021, 03:19:19 PM
Post by: Trim on November 28, 2021, 03:21:48 PM
https://twitter.com/TheRealOJ32/status/1465065025047969800
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 28, 2021, 03:23:44 PM
Post by: sys on November 28, 2021, 03:24:13 PM
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 28, 2021, 03:28:14 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 28, 2021, 03:28:30 PM
:surprised: Bob Stoops is the interimWhoa
Post by: CHONGS on November 28, 2021, 03:31:19 PM
Mark?
VENABLES!?
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 28, 2021, 03:36:54 PM
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Post by: Trim on November 28, 2021, 03:55:20 PM
Post by: muqluk on November 28, 2021, 03:58:31 PM
Seems like KSU is safe in all of this.
Think we could load up Messingham with a cargo truck of Dr Pepper and convince somebody to take him?
Post by: Trim on November 28, 2021, 04:01:06 PM
Seems like KSU is safe in all of this.
Think we could load up Messingham with a cargo truck of Dr Pepper and convince somebody to take him?
Make it diet and wake forest would.
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 28, 2021, 04:03:42 PM
Post by: muqluk on November 28, 2021, 04:06:23 PM
lets make this happen then!Seems like KSU is safe in all of this.
Think we could load up Messingham with a cargo truck of Dr Pepper and convince somebody to take him?
Make it diet and wake forest would.
Post by: wetwillie on November 28, 2021, 04:17:38 PM
:surprised: Bob Stoops is the interim
Are you serious?!
Post by: Cire on November 28, 2021, 04:19:46 PM
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Post by: EMAWzifried on November 28, 2021, 04:20:11 PM
Calming the waters:surprised: Bob Stoops is the interim
Are you serious?!
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 28, 2021, 04:21:37 PM
Hope they hire venebles and he fails miserablyPoint to where Venebles sniffed coke of your wife's ass
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Post by: muqluk on November 28, 2021, 04:26:28 PM
:surprised: Bob Stoops is the interim
Are you serious?!
https://www.si.com/college/oklahoma/.amp/football/report-bob-stoops-to-serve-as-oklahomas-interim-head-coach
Post by: Houstoncat93 on November 28, 2021, 04:26:48 PM
:bwpopcorn: :bwpopcorn: :bwpopcorn:
Post by: wetwillie on November 28, 2021, 04:27:40 PM
Post by: muqluk on November 28, 2021, 04:29:27 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/florida-hires-louisianas-billy-napier-as-coach-gators-swipe-one-of-most-in-demand-names/
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 28, 2021, 04:40:36 PM
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1465083405532467200?t=iBqFq9SmtjqaZGjFuL23pA&s=19Dykes is 1-3 since taking the TCU job. Slam dunk hire.
:bwpopcorn: :bwpopcorn: :bwpopcorn:
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2021, 04:54:44 PM
Post by: Houstoncat93 on November 28, 2021, 05:01:31 PM
I don't get the Sonny Dykes thing at all. I hope OU gets him, he'll be Gary Gibbs 2.0.
I don't understand it either and probably just internet fodder but I am relishing in the fact the Sooner fans have to go through the anguish of it might being true.
Post by: Hurricane Cat on November 28, 2021, 05:01:42 PM
I just wanted to say eff ou, that's all
I came for this as well
and :bwpopcorn:
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2021, 05:17:06 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 28, 2021, 05:20:16 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2021, 05:29:23 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2021, 05:31:32 PM
Rumor OU has contacted Cliff Kingsbury.
This was started by Schefter so you can dismiss it as Kliff's agent feeding Schefter bullshit.
Post by: wetwillie on November 28, 2021, 05:35:22 PM
Not saying he isn't coming back but why would Klieman inform the team of it happening? That doesn't make any sense at all unless the actual team revolted against Messingham.
I think there was considerable angst from offensive players especially WR group RE Mess. My guess is we see a few more WR transfer out on top of Howell. Garber is most likely candidate imo.
Post by: ben ji on November 28, 2021, 06:14:25 PM
What's your coaching destination pecking order among LSU, Florida, Florida State and USC? I think mine is as listed.
USC - Easiest path to the CFP and can still pull in top recruits across the nation and there is tons of talent in their backyard.
Florida - Only above LSU until Nick Saban retires. Talent rich state and SEC East is down to you and UGA most years.
LSU - Seems crazy to put them this low since their last 3 coaches have all won national titles. Once Saban retires this will be a better job then FL.
FSU - The only + here is that they are in the ACC and should have an easier path to the CFP but they are also in the BFE portion of FL that is basically SEC Territory. They are the big 12 equivalent of TX Tech when it comes to how far away they are from the main recruiting/population areas of their state.
:cool: Definitely did not see USC pulling in Lincoln Riley but congrats to them on keeping it under wraps.
Post by: nicname on November 28, 2021, 06:31:18 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 28, 2021, 07:06:07 PM
If he doesn’t fire Mess, Klieman is as good as dead. Not surprising at all that many of our top pass-catching returnees may be liking elsewhereHow many wins do you think a new OC is worth?
Post by: catastrophe on November 28, 2021, 07:07:40 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 28, 2021, 07:11:38 PM
This year? Two.
you're assuming a different OC would have won every other game, which might not have happened! (I also think a Baylor win would have been a stretch)
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 28, 2021, 07:13:28 PM
If he doesn’t fire Mess, Klieman is as good as dead. Not surprising at all that many of our top pass-catching returnees may be liking elsewhereAre tight ends considered pass-catching returnees or skinny tackles?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2021, 07:29:58 PM
This year? Two.
you're assuming a different OC would have won every other game, which might not have happened! (I also think a Baylor win would have been a stretch)
I think the Baylor game was lost by not being able to get the most out of what we have so you can pin that on the players and the coaches, the execution was horrible. UT was 100% mess. I do agree with you that another OC may have lost another game or two, Southern Illinois, Tech, TCU?
If mess does get fired, I'm not expecting some miracle, I am expecting what happened at Texas to never happen again.
I also like the fact that we play low possession football but we need to find a way to be more dynamic. Baylor, Texas, Oklahoma State, Iowa State and West Virginia all run the types of offense we should be running. They all run ball control, RB centric offenses with the ability to change pace
Post by: Hurricane Cat on November 28, 2021, 07:32:51 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2021, 07:39:08 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 28, 2021, 07:39:39 PM
https://twitter.com/CoachNac/status/1464388738386219012
Post by: michigancat on November 28, 2021, 07:45:57 PM
I missed this yesterday
https://twitter.com/CoachNac/status/1464388738386219012
https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/1465123268373975040
lol I thought it was the other Tim Beck (did not know there were two)
Post by: WillieWatanabe on November 28, 2021, 08:30:18 PM
Post by: Hurricane Cat on November 28, 2021, 08:44:48 PM
"That's old news, doll face"
Yep, :facepalm: missed it in all the OU / Riley to USC fun . . .
Post by: ben ji on November 28, 2021, 08:46:49 PM
I would love nothing more than for OU to turn into the Red Tennessee of the SEC West.
Post by: nicname on November 28, 2021, 08:54:47 PM
If your kicking ass at your job and your boss decides to make your job harder but wants you to perform at the same level wouldn't you take an easier job doing the same thing for more money in a better location?
I would love nothing more than for OU to turn into the Red Tennessee of the SEC West.
Riley is obv not a fan of Henry David Thoreau.
Post by: cfbandyman on November 28, 2021, 10:16:11 PM
Every single team that left this conference for greener pastures is living in purgatory in their new places, they all get what they deserve.
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 28, 2021, 10:21:36 PM
q
Post by: cfbandyman on November 28, 2021, 10:28:49 PM
What's the chances Rattler is the only qb option OU has next fall?
I'm hoping transfer portal for him, obv pie in the sky
Post by: ELL3 on November 28, 2021, 10:37:43 PM
What's the chances Rattler is the only qb option OU has next fall?
I'm hoping transfer portal for him, obv pie in the sky
Messingham would get him straightened out
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2021, 11:03:42 PM
I missed this yesterday
https://twitter.com/CoachNac/status/1464388738386219012
This is ridiculous for New Mexico State and Jerry Kill. Is taking the actual worst job in college football the best thing for his health?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2021, 11:04:35 PM
What's the chances Rattler is the only qb option OU has next fall?
lol, he's 100% out.
Post by: michigancat on November 29, 2021, 07:53:01 AM
I missed this yesterday
https://twitter.com/CoachNac/status/1464388738386219012
This is ridiculous for New Mexico State and Jerry Kill. Is taking the actual worst job in college football the best thing for his health?
Yeah I'd think he could do well back in the MAC if he really wanted to be a head coach again. Maybe he just likes the desert and wants to be near Dana Dimel.
Post by: wetwillie on November 29, 2021, 07:55:41 AM
Post by: GregKSU1027 on November 29, 2021, 09:55:24 AM
Ricky Kahne fired his OC at ODU. I’m guessing Klein will be a name of interest for that job.Please god take him
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2021, 01:35:21 PM
Ricky Kahne fired his OC at ODU. I’m guessing Klein will be a name of interest for that job.Please god take him
You haven't seen my twitter rants. What exactly do you think Klein or any other QB coach does and how is he deficient in his job?
Post by: michigancat on November 29, 2021, 01:41:29 PM
Ricky Kahne fired his OC at ODU. I’m guessing Klein will be a name of interest for that job.Please god take him
You haven't seen my twitter rants. What exactly do you think Klein or any other QB coach does and how is he deficient in his job?
I think one area of weakness we always see is pocket awareness - knowing when to step up into the pocket, when to scramble, when to chuck it out of bounds. I think this is an example of something a QB coach could work on and improve.
What do you think a QB coach does?
Post by: pissclams on November 29, 2021, 02:07:23 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on November 29, 2021, 02:16:57 PM
Post by: ednksu on November 29, 2021, 02:19:57 PM
https://twitter.com/CoachRufus42/status/1465410968054288392does this mean we should chisel his name off the wall capstone?
Post by: chum1 on November 29, 2021, 02:36:22 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2021, 02:54:13 PM
Ricky Kahne fired his OC at ODU. I’m guessing Klein will be a name of interest for that job.Please god take him
You haven't seen my twitter rants. What exactly do you think Klein or any other QB coach does and how is he deficient in his job?
I think one area of weakness we always see is pocket awareness - knowing when to step up into the pocket, when to scramble, when to chuck it out of bounds. I think this is an example of something a QB coach could work on and improve.
What do you think a QB coach does?
Installing the playbook and game plan
making sure they QBs are making proper reads
Yes, a QB coach, when reviewing film, has the ability to inform a QB if he didn't do what was expected in the pocket, a QB coach however cannot slow the game down and give the QB the courage and patience required to hang in the pocket and make the right decisions. Just like a QB coach can show his QBs how to carry the ball when he leaves the pocket but he can't carry the ball for him.
Post by: IPA4Me on November 29, 2021, 02:55:05 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 29, 2021, 03:01:24 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 29, 2021, 03:11:37 PM
Ricky Kahne fired his OC at ODU. I’m guessing Klein will be a name of interest for that job.Please god take him
You haven't seen my twitter rants. What exactly do you think Klein or any other QB coach does and how is he deficient in his job?
I think one area of weakness we always see is pocket awareness - knowing when to step up into the pocket, when to scramble, when to chuck it out of bounds. I think this is an example of something a QB coach could work on and improve.
What do you think a QB coach does?
Installing the playbook and game plan
making sure they QBs are making proper reads
Yes, a QB coach, when reviewing film, has the ability to inform a QB if he didn't do what was expected in the pocket, a QB coach however cannot slow the game down and give the QB the courage and patience required to hang in the pocket and make the right decisions. Just like a QB coach can show his QBs how to carry the ball when he leaves the pocket but he can't carry the ball for him.
you don't think a coach can set up drills/situational practices to simulate dealing with pocket pressure (or fumbling)? You don't think positional coaches have anything to do with technique?
Obviously players need to execute but coaches can and should be working to improve technique and situational awareness in practice.
Post by: chum1 on November 29, 2021, 03:25:12 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2021, 03:25:55 PM
Ricky Kahne fired his OC at ODU. I’m guessing Klein will be a name of interest for that job.Please god take him
You haven't seen my twitter rants. What exactly do you think Klein or any other QB coach does and how is he deficient in his job?
I think one area of weakness we always see is pocket awareness - knowing when to step up into the pocket, when to scramble, when to chuck it out of bounds. I think this is an example of something a QB coach could work on and improve.
What do you think a QB coach does?
Installing the playbook and game plan
making sure they QBs are making proper reads
Yes, a QB coach, when reviewing film, has the ability to inform a QB if he didn't do what was expected in the pocket, a QB coach however cannot slow the game down and give the QB the courage and patience required to hang in the pocket and make the right decisions. Just like a QB coach can show his QBs how to carry the ball when he leaves the pocket but he can't carry the ball for him.
you don't think a coach can set up drills/situational practices to simulate dealing with pocket pressure (or fumbling)? You don't think positional coaches have anything to do with technique?
Obviously players need to execute but coaches can and should be working to improve technique and situational awareness in practice.
Of course they do, but I don't think any one saying Klein should go knows what progression looks like or what the expectations of the head coach is and what the HC and OC are doing to set the QB coach up for success.
Post by: wetwillie on November 29, 2021, 03:31:12 PM
Will Lincoln keep Sean?
I do think he’ll end up in Lincoln yes
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2021, 03:33:01 PM
Will Lincoln keep Sean?
I do think he’ll end up in Lincoln yes
Why didn't that happen the first time?
Post by: ChiComCat on November 29, 2021, 03:35:55 PM
Of course they do, but I don't think any one saying Klein should go knows what progression looks like or what the expectations of the head coach is and what the HC and OC are doing to set the QB coach up for success.
I felt like Skylar hasn't improved enough in some of his weakest areas (pocket awareness/reading progressions) since he's been here. I also don't think that Howard has developed at all so far, which is disappointing given how many starts he's had. I get that Skylar has been banged up but he's also been here 6 years. Howard is still young but that's a lot of starts.
I'm not saying Klein should definitely be gone but I think if he wasn't our former QB, he'd face a lot more scrutiny.
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 29, 2021, 03:38:59 PM
A Scott Frost level Venables disaster is one of my most desired outcomes.
We might be looking for a coach when OU fires BV for going 6-6 in the SEC!
:love:
Post by: catastrophe on November 29, 2021, 03:39:14 PM
Post by: chum1 on November 29, 2021, 03:43:34 PM
I felt like Skylar hasn't improved enough in some of his weakest areas (pocket awareness/reading progressions) since he's been here.
Yeah, right are wrong, these are very much not the sorts of things I think of when I think of Klein. I think of read option.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2021, 03:46:42 PM
Of course they do, but I don't think any one saying Klein should go knows what progression looks like or what the expectations of the head coach is and what the HC and OC are doing to set the QB coach up for success.
I felt like Skylar hasn't improved enough in some of his weakest areas (pocket awareness/reading progressions) since he's been here. I also don't think that Howard has developed at all so far, which is disappointing given how many starts he's had. I get that Skylar has been banged up but he's also been here 6 years. Howard is still young but that's a lot of starts.
I'm not saying Klein should definitely be gone but I think if he wasn't our former QB, he'd face a lot more scrutiny.
I don't know what our passing trees and reads are so I can't comment on his progressions.
As for Howard, number of starts shouldn't be used to judge his progressions. He's only had one spring and summer in the program. This year he has only spent 2 weeks getting #1 reps in practice. He's very young in his experience in the program. That being said, I will still ask what is the expectation of his progression and how do we judge it? We know he has a pretty low floor, what's the ceiling?
Post by: michigancat on November 29, 2021, 03:54:02 PM
I’m not sure I’ve scrutinized a qb coach anywhere. If anything Klein is getting extra scrutiny here because people actually know who he is.
QB coaches are second only to the OC when it comes to fan criticism
Post by: wiley on November 29, 2021, 03:57:06 PM
I feel like OL coaches get way more grief when they are bad.I’m not sure I’ve scrutinized a qb coach anywhere. If anything Klein is getting extra scrutiny here because people actually know who he is.
QB coaches are second only to the OC when it comes to fan criticism
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2021, 03:57:20 PM
I’m not sure I’ve scrutinized a qb coach anywhere. If anything Klein is getting extra scrutiny here because people actually know who he is.
Yep
Post by: ChiComCat on November 29, 2021, 04:02:11 PM
Of course they do, but I don't think any one saying Klein should go knows what progression looks like or what the expectations of the head coach is and what the HC and OC are doing to set the QB coach up for success.
I felt like Skylar hasn't improved enough in some of his weakest areas (pocket awareness/reading progressions) since he's been here. I also don't think that Howard has developed at all so far, which is disappointing given how many starts he's had. I get that Skylar has been banged up but he's also been here 6 years. Howard is still young but that's a lot of starts.
I'm not saying Klein should definitely be gone but I think if he wasn't our former QB, he'd face a lot more scrutiny.
I don't know what our passing trees and reads are so I can't comment on his progressions.
As for Howard, number of starts shouldn't be used to judge his progressions. He's only had one spring and summer in the program. This year he has only spent 2 weeks getting #1 reps in practice. He's very young in his experience in the program. That being said, I will still ask what is the expectation of his progression and how do we judge it? We know he has a pretty low floor, what's the ceiling?
I certainly don't know the route tree but my impression is that Skylar looks to one side of the field and largely stays there. If he doesn't get the ball out within the first couple of seconds, he isn't going to get it out from the pocket, even if he has time. I get Howard is young, but I would've liked to see a better TD/TO ratio this year. He seems intent to chuck a lot of balls deep whether they're open or not. Fortunately, a lot of those throws haven't been close enough to get intercepted. I get building confidence to some extent, but the way they talked about him going into the year would make you think they're awfully proud of his improvement.
Maybe Klein is doing a fine job and Messingham is largely to blame. I just think the fanbase is okay hating Messingham but I've seen a lot defending Klein blindly. My take isn't that Klein needs to be fired, but that everybody on the offensive staff should be considered.
Post by: wetwillie on November 29, 2021, 04:04:55 PM
Of course they do, but I don't think any one saying Klein should go knows what progression looks like or what the expectations of the head coach is and what the HC and OC are doing to set the QB coach up for success.
I felt like Skylar hasn't improved enough in some of his weakest areas (pocket awareness/reading progressions) since he's been here. I also don't think that Howard has developed at all so far, which is disappointing given how many starts he's had. I get that Skylar has been banged up but he's also been here 6 years. Howard is still young but that's a lot of starts.
I'm not saying Klein should definitely be gone but I think if he wasn't our former QB, he'd face a lot more scrutiny.
I don't know what our passing trees and reads are so I can't comment on his progressions.
As for Howard, number of starts shouldn't be used to judge his progressions. He's only had one spring and summer in the program. This year he has only spent 2 weeks getting #1 reps in practice. He's very young in his experience in the program. That being said, I will still ask what is the expectation of his progression and how do we judge it? We know he has a pretty low floor, what's the ceiling?
Did you watch Blake Shapen against us when Baylor’s QB got knocked out? He’s had exact same time in the program at Baylor that Will has had here and looked like a world beater compared to him. Maybe Will was a mis evaluation and doesn’t belong at this level but he can’t even make the basic throws right now and it’s very concerning.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 29, 2021, 04:12:57 PM
It takes at least 6 - 7 years to become functional in our system.Of course they do, but I don't think any one saying Klein should go knows what progression looks like or what the expectations of the head coach is and what the HC and OC are doing to set the QB coach up for success.
I felt like Skylar hasn't improved enough in some of his weakest areas (pocket awareness/reading progressions) since he's been here. I also don't think that Howard has developed at all so far, which is disappointing given how many starts he's had. I get that Skylar has been banged up but he's also been here 6 years. Howard is still young but that's a lot of starts.
I'm not saying Klein should definitely be gone but I think if he wasn't our former QB, he'd face a lot more scrutiny.
I don't know what our passing trees and reads are so I can't comment on his progressions.
As for Howard, number of starts shouldn't be used to judge his progressions. He's only had one spring and summer in the program. This year he has only spent 2 weeks getting #1 reps in practice. He's very young in his experience in the program. That being said, I will still ask what is the expectation of his progression and how do we judge it? We know he has a pretty low floor, what's the ceiling?
Did you watch Blake Shapen against us when Baylor’s QB got knocked out? He’s had exact same time in the program at Baylor that Will has had here and looked like a world beater compared to him. Maybe Will was a mis evaluation and doesn’t belong at this level but he can’t even make the basic throws right now and it’s very concerning.
Post by: michigancat on November 29, 2021, 04:17:05 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on November 29, 2021, 04:33:11 PM
Of course they do, but I don't think any one saying Klein should go knows what progression looks like or what the expectations of the head coach is and what the HC and OC are doing to set the QB coach up for success.
I felt like Skylar hasn't improved enough in some of his weakest areas (pocket awareness/reading progressions) since he's been here. I also don't think that Howard has developed at all so far, which is disappointing given how many starts he's had. I get that Skylar has been banged up but he's also been here 6 years. Howard is still young but that's a lot of starts.
I'm not saying Klein should definitely be gone but I think if he wasn't our former QB, he'd face a lot more scrutiny.
I don't know what our passing trees and reads are so I can't comment on his progressions.
As for Howard, number of starts shouldn't be used to judge his progressions. He's only had one spring and summer in the program. This year he has only spent 2 weeks getting #1 reps in practice. He's very young in his experience in the program. That being said, I will still ask what is the expectation of his progression and how do we judge it? We know he has a pretty low floor, what's the ceiling?
I certainly don't know the route tree but my impression is that Skylar looks to one side of the field and largely stays there. If he doesn't get the ball out within the first couple of seconds, he isn't going to get it out from the pocket, even if he has time. I get Howard is young, but I would've liked to see a better TD/TO ratio this year. He seems intent to chuck a lot of balls deep whether they're open or not. Fortunately, a lot of those throws haven't been close enough to get intercepted. I get building confidence to some extent, but the way they talked about him going into the year would make you think they're awfully proud of his improvement.
Maybe Klein is doing a fine job and Messingham is largely to blame. I just think the fanbase is okay hating Messingham but I've seen a lot defending Klein blindly. My take isn't that Klein needs to be fired, but that everybody on the offensive staff should be considered.
I'm not sure if that is his call or that play calling but it infuriates me honestly we how quickly we get out of the quick short passes/dink and dunk (that I know many here don't love) but honestly it's the best goddamn way to build confidence in a young QB is to get easy, short throws with a lot of success rate, instead of trying to go vertical all the time.
That being said, we did do an awful job of blocking on bubble screens, so probably not the best throw to do either.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2021, 05:00:48 PM
Of course they do, but I don't think any one saying Klein should go knows what progression looks like or what the expectations of the head coach is and what the HC and OC are doing to set the QB coach up for success.
I felt like Skylar hasn't improved enough in some of his weakest areas (pocket awareness/reading progressions) since he's been here. I also don't think that Howard has developed at all so far, which is disappointing given how many starts he's had. I get that Skylar has been banged up but he's also been here 6 years. Howard is still young but that's a lot of starts.
I'm not saying Klein should definitely be gone but I think if he wasn't our former QB, he'd face a lot more scrutiny.
I don't know what our passing trees and reads are so I can't comment on his progressions.
As for Howard, number of starts shouldn't be used to judge his progressions. He's only had one spring and summer in the program. This year he has only spent 2 weeks getting #1 reps in practice. He's very young in his experience in the program. That being said, I will still ask what is the expectation of his progression and how do we judge it? We know he has a pretty low floor, what's the ceiling?
Did you watch Blake Shapen against us when Baylor’s QB got knocked out? He’s had exact same time in the program at Baylor that Will has had here and looked like a world beater compared to him. Maybe Will was a mis evaluation and doesn’t belong at this level but he can’t even make the basic throws right now and it’s very concerning.
I literally made the exact same comp in another one of these posts in another thread. I don't know how you would look at those two players and think any quarterback coach, in the history of the sport, can make Howard as effective as Shapen. They were both 3 stars but there is a grand canyon difference in talent between those two players, but nearly every single person calling for Klein's job will look at Shapen and say "see that guy is better than Will and he's a baseball player." It's ignorant, it's like saying a great acting coach can turn David Spade into Bradley Cooper
Post by: Trim on November 29, 2021, 05:06:03 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 29, 2021, 05:08:49 PM
the exact same comp in another one of these posts in another thread. I don't know how you would look at those two players and think any quarterback coach, in the history of the sport, can make Howard as effective as Shapen. They were both 3 stars but there is a grand canyon difference in talent between those two players, but nearly every single person calling for Klein's job will look at Shapen and say "see that guy is better than Will and he's a baseball player." It's ignorant, it's like saying a great acting coach can turn David Spade into Bradley Cooper
what role did Klein have in Howard's evaluation during recruitment? (I don't know the full extent, but it seems like it should also be an important part of a QB coach's job)
also kind of wild that the entire industry rated them so similarly.
Post by: michigancat on November 29, 2021, 05:10:29 PM
https://kansasstate.rivals.com/news/klein-sees-pennsylvania-qb-will-howard-throw
Post by: michigancat on November 29, 2021, 05:35:22 PM
https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1465463983243100160
Post by: OK_Cat on November 29, 2021, 05:38:09 PM
Also this is so crazy to me. It has to be a lie, right?Of course it is.
https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1465463983243100160
It’s been well documented that Lincoln went ‘missing’ for several days during their bye week before Baylor, and he never gave a straight answer. Everyone down here assumed LSU, but obviously he was in LA
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Post by: michigancat on November 29, 2021, 05:39:30 PM
Well I don't believe that, eitherAlso this is so crazy to me. It has to be a lie, right?Of course it is.
https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1465463983243100160
It’s been well documented that Lincoln went ‘missing’ for several days during their bye week before Baylor, and he never gave a straight answer. Everyone down here assumed LSU, but obviously he was in LA
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Post by: ben ji on November 29, 2021, 05:40:53 PM
Also this is so crazy to me. It has to be a lie, right?Yeah, no way that is true but I understand why he said that.
https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1465463983243100160
It might have been the first time Riley actually spoke to USC himself but I'm sure he laid out all his conditions to his agent who had been talking to USC for a while.
Post by: wetwillie on November 29, 2021, 05:54:24 PM
Of course they do, but I don't think any one saying Klein should go knows what progression looks like or what the expectations of the head coach is and what the HC and OC are doing to set the QB coach up for success.
I felt like Skylar hasn't improved enough in some of his weakest areas (pocket awareness/reading progressions) since he's been here. I also don't think that Howard has developed at all so far, which is disappointing given how many starts he's had. I get that Skylar has been banged up but he's also been here 6 years. Howard is still young but that's a lot of starts.
I'm not saying Klein should definitely be gone but I think if he wasn't our former QB, he'd face a lot more scrutiny.
I don't know what our passing trees and reads are so I can't comment on his progressions.
As for Howard, number of starts shouldn't be used to judge his progressions. He's only had one spring and summer in the program. This year he has only spent 2 weeks getting #1 reps in practice. He's very young in his experience in the program. That being said, I will still ask what is the expectation of his progression and how do we judge it? We know he has a pretty low floor, what's the ceiling?
Did you watch Blake Shapen against us when Baylor’s QB got knocked out? He’s had exact same time in the program at Baylor that Will has had here and looked like a world beater compared to him. Maybe Will was a mis evaluation and doesn’t belong at this level but he can’t even make the basic throws right now and it’s very concerning.
I literally made the exact same comp in another one of these posts in another thread. I don't know how you would look at those two players and think any quarterback coach, in the history of the sport, can make Howard as effective as Shapen. They were both 3 stars but there is a grand canyon difference in talent between those two players, but nearly every single person calling for Klein's job will look at Shapen and say "see that guy is better than Will and he's a baseball player." It's ignorant, it's like saying a great acting coach can turn David Spade into Bradley Cooper
Then Klein is a poor evaluator of talent / poor recruiter.
Post by: catastrophe on November 29, 2021, 05:59:51 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2021, 06:02:07 PM
Of course they do, but I don't think any one saying Klein should go knows what progression looks like or what the expectations of the head coach is and what the HC and OC are doing to set the QB coach up for success.
I felt like Skylar hasn't improved enough in some of his weakest areas (pocket awareness/reading progressions) since he's been here. I also don't think that Howard has developed at all so far, which is disappointing given how many starts he's had. I get that Skylar has been banged up but he's also been here 6 years. Howard is still young but that's a lot of starts.
I'm not saying Klein should definitely be gone but I think if he wasn't our former QB, he'd face a lot more scrutiny.
I don't know what our passing trees and reads are so I can't comment on his progressions.
As for Howard, number of starts shouldn't be used to judge his progressions. He's only had one spring and summer in the program. This year he has only spent 2 weeks getting #1 reps in practice. He's very young in his experience in the program. That being said, I will still ask what is the expectation of his progression and how do we judge it? We know he has a pretty low floor, what's the ceiling?
Did you watch Blake Shapen against us when Baylor’s QB got knocked out? He’s had exact same time in the program at Baylor that Will has had here and looked like a world beater compared to him. Maybe Will was a mis evaluation and doesn’t belong at this level but he can’t even make the basic throws right now and it’s very concerning.
I literally made the exact same comp in another one of these posts in another thread. I don't know how you would look at those two players and think any quarterback coach, in the history of the sport, can make Howard as effective as Shapen. They were both 3 stars but there is a grand canyon difference in talent between those two players, but nearly every single person calling for Klein's job will look at Shapen and say "see that guy is better than Will and he's a baseball player." It's ignorant, it's like saying a great acting coach can turn David Spade into Bradley Cooper
Then Klein is a poor evaluator of talent / poor recruiter.
Very possible, but offers don't get made without the head coach approving them. Given Howard's talking about Carson Wentz's influence on his recruitment and this off season Klieman calling Howard the best backup in college football, I think we have enough evidence of Howard's recruitment being one that the head coach was very high on.
Post by: ben ji on November 29, 2021, 06:03:04 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 29, 2021, 06:10:18 PM
Kelly to LSU is the latest rumor. How quick would Campbell pack his bag and jump on a plane to ND if they had to reach that low?
I think they would offer that job to Luke Fickell before Matt Campbell
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2021, 06:27:54 PM
Post by: OK_Cat on November 29, 2021, 06:56:15 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on November 29, 2021, 06:56:19 PM
I'll eat dlew's hat if Brian Kelly goes to LSU. What are we even talking about there? Why in the hell would he do that?
Get your ketchup handy
https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1465483496718274569?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1465483496718274569%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=
Post by: Houstoncat93 on November 29, 2021, 07:00:53 PM
I'll eat dlew's hat if Brian Kelly goes to LSU. What are we even talking about there? Why in the hell would he do that?
It is just a crazy time to be alive. For God's sake, KU won a road game at Texas. Literally anything can happen
Post by: catastrophe on November 29, 2021, 07:12:29 PM
I'll eat dlew's hat if Brian Kelly goes to LSU. What are we even talking about there? Why in the hell would he do that?It’s definitely a lateral move at best, but as someone else said he’d be entering the SEC carousel which basically guarantees you stints at 3 SEC schools minimum.
Post by: Winters on November 29, 2021, 07:15:51 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 29, 2021, 07:16:40 PM
Maybe he wants to kill a kid at LSU :dunno:
Swamps are easy to hide a body in
Post by: michigancat on November 29, 2021, 07:18:48 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 29, 2021, 07:20:22 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 29, 2021, 07:23:32 PM
Post by: Spracne on November 29, 2021, 07:25:47 PM
Post by: sys on November 29, 2021, 07:35:00 PM
Post by: CHONGS on November 29, 2021, 07:41:31 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 29, 2021, 07:47:43 PM
i bet the underlying reason he's switching schools is money (more).Could Notre Dame not match LSU money?
Post by: wetwillie on November 29, 2021, 07:48:25 PM
Post by: Houstoncat93 on November 29, 2021, 08:31:35 PM
i bet the underlying reason he's switching schools is money (more).Could Notre Dame not match LSU money?
The Athletic article talks about how he wasn't getting the facility upgrades he wants from ND admin as part of the reason.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2021, 08:39:58 PM
Post by: Houstoncat93 on November 29, 2021, 08:41:40 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2021, 08:44:29 PM
Maybe he wants to kill a kid at LSU :dunno:
https://twitter.com/FrozenStupid/status/1465487025939705859
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2021, 08:45:09 PM
Post by: ben ji on November 29, 2021, 08:46:56 PM
Maybe he wants to kill a kid at LSU :dunno:
https://twitter.com/FrozenStupid/status/1465487025939705859
:eek: :lol:
Post by: michigancat on November 29, 2021, 08:48:46 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2021, 08:49:31 PM
His team is going to be in very serious contention for a CFP spot and he's going to dip.
I'll eat dlew's hat if Brian Kelly goes to LSU. What are we even talking about there? Why in the hell would he do that?It’s definitely a lateral move at best, but as someone else said he’d be entering the SEC carousel which basically guarantees you stints at 3 SEC schools minimum.
The SEC carousel only works for cultural fits and he ain't that. It's either going to be a spectacular success, or he doesn't make it to the end of year two.
Post by: wiley on November 29, 2021, 08:52:13 PM
With the Notre Dame job possibly opening, this might be the second thing to fall into Urban Meyer’s lap this year. https://twitter.com/AnnieAgar/status/1465490953775505409?s=20
Post by: dal9 on November 29, 2021, 09:13:01 PM
Post by: mocat on November 29, 2021, 10:02:49 PM
https://twitter.com/WillBlackmon/status/1465512531456266240?t=Pwyyj_tTtioETqqttf4L0g&s=19
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 29, 2021, 10:04:06 PM
Post by: muqluk on November 29, 2021, 10:07:01 PM
The cherry on top would be after all the smoke clears and the bluebloods have their man, then saban announces he’s retiring. The chaos
Be still, my fluttering heart!
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 29, 2021, 10:28:02 PM
Post by: Spracne on November 30, 2021, 12:23:24 AM
The cherry on top would be after all the smoke clears and the bluebloods have their man, then saban announces he’s retiring. The chaos
The horror. The HORROR ....
Obvs it would be Leipold. The greatest there ever was.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on November 30, 2021, 09:00:39 AM
Post by: outofstate on November 30, 2021, 11:16:54 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 30, 2021, 11:56:46 AM
Sonny Cumbie to Louisiana Tech
Interesting. I wonder if Wells tried to get that job
Post by: wetwillie on November 30, 2021, 12:23:13 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on November 30, 2021, 12:25:51 PM
I realize its patently absurd but this carousel is spinning so fast that the screws and bolts are flying in every direction and it’s the stuff dreams are made of
It's like the conference realignment version this year, it's a mad house.
Post by: pissclams on November 30, 2021, 12:40:56 PM
Post by: Pete on November 30, 2021, 01:16:13 PM
does kelly poach sean from riley?
The obvious answer is "yes." But, this year is madness, so probably not.
Post by: mocat on November 30, 2021, 02:39:20 PM
https://twitter.com/WoodsFootball/status/1465723573092466689?t=8ZVOmP8GHb-4aiSWd2_gUw&s=19
Post by: star seed 7 on November 30, 2021, 02:43:25 PM
Post by: Stupid Fitz on November 30, 2021, 03:50:42 PM
Not only did he kill a kid but also
https://twitter.com/WoodsFootball/status/1465723573092466689?t=8ZVOmP8GHb-4aiSWd2_gUw&s=19
I know nothing matters as long as you win, but I don't think I have ever heard a "good" story about this dick. He just looks and acts like a complete bad person at all times. Him hanging around Bayou folk seems like a complete disaster waiting to happen.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 30, 2021, 03:57:11 PM
Post by: chum1 on November 30, 2021, 04:00:45 PM
Him hanging around Bayou folk seems like a complete disaster waiting to happen.
It's a REALLY terrible fit.
Post by: wetwillie on November 30, 2021, 04:02:48 PM
https://twitter.com/yungcoff/status/1465517369883779074?s=21
Post by: mocat on November 30, 2021, 04:04:14 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on November 30, 2021, 05:30:46 PM
Him hanging around Bayou folk seems like a complete disaster waiting to happen.
It's a REALLY terrible fit.
Very much, it'll be amazing to watch from afar
Post by: MakeItRain on November 30, 2021, 06:37:15 PM
Not only did he kill a kid but also
https://twitter.com/WoodsFootball/status/1465723573092466689?t=8ZVOmP8GHb-4aiSWd2_gUw&s=19
He's got two bodies. Read about Lizzy Seeburg.
Post by: Winters on November 30, 2021, 06:51:35 PM
:runaway: :frown:Not only did he kill a kid but also
https://twitter.com/WoodsFootball/status/1465723573092466689?t=8ZVOmP8GHb-4aiSWd2_gUw&s=19
He's got two bodies. Read about Lizzy Seeburg.
Post by: Winters on November 30, 2021, 06:53:26 PM
Quote
Don't do anything you would regret, messing with Notre Dame football is a bad idea.
Post by: pissclams on November 30, 2021, 08:33:19 PM
Post by: Spracne on November 30, 2021, 08:41:58 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 30, 2021, 10:02:21 PM
Post by: pissclams on November 30, 2021, 10:30:52 PM
Nick Saban was also a Yankee who coached in Michiganbut zero teardrops
Post by: pissclams on November 30, 2021, 10:32:05 PM
Brian Kelly haters and losers--of which there are many--are soft.of course they’re soft, but everyone is compared to bk
Post by: MakeItRain on November 30, 2021, 11:17:50 PM
Nick Saban was also a Yankee who coached in Michigan
He's from West Virginia, he ain't no Yankee.
Post by: Pete on December 01, 2021, 06:57:15 AM
Nick Saban was also a Yankee who coached in Michigan
He's from West Virginia, he ain't no Yankee.
Fought for the Union against the Confederacy.
Post by: michigancat on December 01, 2021, 07:15:56 AM
I'll admit civil war era history is doing a lot of the legwork in my premiseNick Saban was also a Yankee who coached in Michigan
He's from West Virginia, he ain't no Yankee.
Fought for the Union against the Confederacy.
Post by: mocat on December 01, 2021, 08:39:38 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 01, 2021, 08:49:22 AM
Post by: bucket on December 01, 2021, 08:52:56 AM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on December 01, 2021, 09:04:50 AM
Post by: Woogy on December 01, 2021, 09:14:19 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 01, 2021, 11:01:18 AM
i don't think the "fit" issue is a yankee / southern clash. it's more that brian kelly has massive cop energy
Ding ding ding, dirty killer cop
Post by: PurpleOil on December 01, 2021, 11:07:23 AM
Post by: wetwillie on December 01, 2021, 11:47:01 AM
Post by: Pete on December 01, 2021, 09:23:14 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 01, 2021, 09:29:09 PM
Post by: Pete on December 01, 2021, 09:54:38 PM
Lots of smoke that it’s Venzy for OUI wonder if Venzy would come back to OU as DC and work for Bob?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 01, 2021, 10:03:23 PM
Notre Dame really legitimately hiring their DC for the long haul, or just giving him a very fancy and expensive bowl game promotion? I kinda had my heart set on ND taking Campbell away from ISU. :cry:
I cared about this a lot more two years ago when I thought he was building a monster, but going 7-5 with a preseason top 10 team has done a lot for me not caring what the hell he does. Even with their decent class this year, I'm over thinking he's ever going to build a monster there. Baylor and BYU are the much more serious threats.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 01, 2021, 10:21:13 PM
Post by: catastrophe on December 01, 2021, 10:43:17 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 01, 2021, 11:27:55 PM
Yeah if Venzy is smart he’s negotiating a massive 10 year deal knowing the fans will be calling for his like $20 million buyout after year 5.
Year 5? If he makes it to 5 he's a made man. Whomever takes that job has 2 years, you aren't allowed a slow build at OU.
Post by: Pete on December 02, 2021, 06:52:39 AM
Yeah if Venzy is smart he’s negotiating a massive 10 year deal knowing the fans will be calling for his like $20 million buyout after year 5.
Year 5? If he makes it to 5 he's a made man. Whomever takes that job has 2 years, you aren't allowed a slow build at OU.
Yeah, I agree. If someone was willing to humble themselves and accept "losing" and disappointing their employer and fans in exchange for millions of dollars, it's an easy way to pass the time for 2 - 3 years. I kinda hope Venzy takes the job with this in mind and sets his great grandchildren up for life at the expense of OU.
Post by: Cire on December 02, 2021, 06:55:09 AM
Eff Brent venables
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Post by: ChiComCat on December 02, 2021, 08:38:34 AM
If Campbell misses that job, he has to start going hard after OU or any other top-tier opening. As with MIR's opinion, the shine is off a little bit and nothing elite in the B10/ND looks to be opening any time soon. He's staring down a lot of years at Iowa State with no end in sight.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 02, 2021, 09:26:08 AM
Notre Dame really legitimately hiring their DC for the long haul, or just giving him a very fancy and expensive bowl game promotion? I kinda had my heart set on ND taking Campbell away from ISU. :cry:
I cared about this a lot more two years ago when I thought he was building a monster, but going 7-5 with a preseason top 10 team has done a lot for me not caring what the hell he does. Even with their decent class this year, I'm over thinking he's ever going to build a monster there. Baylor and BYU are the much more serious threats.
Not only that, but this conference really needs its teams to maintain quality. We won't have anyone that will be ranked in the preseason immediately after finishing below .500 after Texas leaves.
Post by: TheHamburglar on December 02, 2021, 04:15:07 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 02, 2021, 04:17:38 PM
Post by: TheHamburglar on December 02, 2021, 04:22:53 PM
Vaccine related?They released a glowing press release about it, no mention of vaccine. Also, no quotes from him either. It looks more like he’s done with them or a disagreement with his AD.
Post by: steve dave on December 02, 2021, 05:29:18 PM
Post by: Katpappy on December 02, 2021, 06:36:21 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 02, 2021, 08:17:32 PM
https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1466590796304453634
Post by: wetwillie on December 02, 2021, 08:24:11 PM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on December 02, 2021, 09:10:55 PM
Post by: Spracne on December 02, 2021, 09:44:54 PM
Post by: catastrophe on December 02, 2021, 09:50:24 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 02, 2021, 11:05:54 PM
lmbo. Maybe he's just been *hiding* his southern accent all these years?!?!
Yeah, definitely sounds that way. When I close my eyes I'm hearing a man who has spent his life eating pigs feet and moon pies.
Post by: wetwillie on December 03, 2021, 12:38:04 PM
https://twitter.com/joeymulinaro/status/1466789400042483715?s=21
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 03, 2021, 12:46:22 PM
Post by: Houstoncat93 on December 03, 2021, 01:08:20 PM
Post by: OK_Cat on December 03, 2021, 01:11:20 PM
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Post by: Pete on December 03, 2021, 01:15:46 PM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on December 03, 2021, 01:16:10 PM
I can’t get enough of the Brian Kelly southern accent stuff, inject it into my veins.Awesome
https://twitter.com/joeymulinaro/status/1466789400042483715?s=21
Post by: Woogy on December 03, 2021, 01:27:20 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 03, 2021, 01:40:12 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if they stole the Baylor coaching staff.
Then the Baylor AD will completely nail the next hire, further clown suiting Gene
Post by: LickNeckey on December 03, 2021, 01:50:44 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if they stole the Baylor coaching staff.
Then the Baylor AD will completely nail the next hire, further clown suiting Gene
weird post
Post by: muqluk on December 03, 2021, 02:06:18 PM
I'm wondering if the dog in the cone of shame walking around in the LSU portion of that is going to be a premonition of how its going to work out.
This is what we in the biz call ‘foreshadowing’
:ROFL:
Post by: PurpleOil on December 03, 2021, 02:24:35 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if they stole the Baylor coaching staff.
I would absolutely bathe in all the Rapelor tears if that happened.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 03, 2021, 03:33:15 PM
Post by: CHONGS on December 03, 2021, 03:35:03 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 03, 2021, 06:36:44 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if they stole the Baylor coaching staff.
Then the Baylor AD will completely nail the next hire, further clown suiting Gene
weird post
Right? For most of these programs the coaching hire is a complete dice roll. Mack Rhoades doesn't have some magic bullet. Dave Aranda certainly wasn't thought of some home run hire even 3 months ago, they were picked to finish 8 in the conference this year.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 04, 2021, 01:40:05 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 04, 2021, 09:44:26 PM
Where THE eff is @SkinnyBenny to tell us about how bad this fit is.
https://twitter.com/yungcoff/status/1465517369883779074?s=21
I think so far it's going really well.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 05, 2021, 07:45:23 AM
Post by: pissclams on December 05, 2021, 10:05:31 AM
Post by: wiley on December 07, 2021, 06:24:51 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 07, 2021, 06:39:23 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 07, 2021, 06:51:31 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 08, 2021, 05:35:13 AM
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1467880945092943878
Post by: Cire on December 08, 2021, 05:45:27 AM
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Post by: Kid In the Hall on December 08, 2021, 12:53:07 PM
Of course, pretty much dog poo since then (minus one year when McElwain went 10-3).
Post by: Cire on December 10, 2021, 05:58:00 AM
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Post by: KST8FAN on December 17, 2021, 07:32:36 PM
Tom
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Post by: fatdamon on December 21, 2021, 11:44:43 PM
https://goleathernecks.com/news/2021/12/17/returning-home-myers-hendrickson-named-head-football-coach-at-wiu.aspx
Tom
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Post by: Katpappy on December 22, 2021, 04:03:18 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 22, 2021, 04:20:07 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 22, 2021, 04:20:33 PM
Don't listen to them Tom, FCS matters too particularly our leathernecks.
yep
Post by: 1863 on December 28, 2021, 09:11:18 AM
Don't listen to them Tom, FCS matters too particularly our leathernecks.
Its good to keep an eye on the comings and goings of the old conference!
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 28, 2021, 11:52:56 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on December 28, 2021, 12:23:22 PM
Post by: KST8FAN on December 28, 2021, 12:29:56 PM
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Post by: Katpappy on December 29, 2021, 12:05:26 AM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 03, 2022, 12:02:33 PM
Post by: nicname on January 03, 2022, 12:18:06 PM
Think Matt wells is a done deal
Went from :excited: early, to :dunno: after seeing his OC results. Not sure what to think about this. Having a former B12 HC as OC should generally be a good thing, I guess.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 03, 2022, 12:35:57 PM
Think it's going to be a co-oc with klein or lesser titleThink Matt wells is a done deal
Went from :excited: early, to :dunno: after seeing his OC results. Not sure what to think about this. Having a former B12 HC as OC should generally be a good thing, I guess.
Post by: Skipper44 on January 03, 2022, 12:57:30 PM
Post by: nicname on January 03, 2022, 01:22:54 PM
Think it's going to be a co-oc with klein or lesser titleThink Matt wells is a done deal
Went from :excited: early, to :dunno: after seeing his OC results. Not sure what to think about this. Having a former B12 HC as OC should generally be a good thing, I guess.
Cautiously optimistic about Klein. Excited for Tuesday.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 03, 2022, 01:24:29 PM
maybe he will take an analyst role to maximize his TT's buyout money?
That would be fantastic. It looks as if Collin has made quite an impression already.
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1477792579408343040
Post by: nicname on January 03, 2022, 01:28:45 PM
maybe he will take an analyst role to maximize his TT's buyout money?
That would be fantastic. It looks as if Collin has made quite an impression already.
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1477792579408343040
:love: :love: :love:
Post by: Katpappy on January 03, 2022, 09:57:09 PM
Post by: Stupid Fitz on January 04, 2022, 08:33:49 AM
I will give my opinion of CK as our new OC after tomorrow's game.
Yeah, this makes me very nervous.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 04, 2022, 11:42:40 AM
Post by: cfbandyman on January 04, 2022, 12:29:47 PM
I will give my opinion of CK as our new OC after tomorrow's game.
Yeah, this makes me very nervous.
Doesn't make me nervous but I will reserve judgement until after tonight. One thing Klein was 1000% top notch at and why we did so well in 2011/2012 was his decision making and that's not gEing or anything. He was a very effective leader and director of the offense and if he's able to instill that into coaching (and I get on field management is not the same as sideline) than it will bode well.
Post by: outofstate on January 10, 2022, 01:21:50 PM
Post by: outofstate on January 10, 2022, 02:20:20 PM
Post by: wetwillie on January 10, 2022, 02:35:58 PM
Post by: CNS on January 10, 2022, 02:59:26 PM
USC QB Jaxson Dart entered the portal. Will be interesting to see if he follows Harrell to WVU.
Jesus. Can you imagine going from USC to WVU?
:BlowsBrainsOut:
Post by: wetwillie on January 10, 2022, 03:02:49 PM
Post by: pissclams on January 10, 2022, 03:55:58 PM
https://twitter.com/WVUfootball/status/1480600881901015052i’ve not been able to stop crying, someone tell me that it’s going to be ok
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 10, 2022, 04:01:48 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 10, 2022, 05:31:56 PM
Post by: Katpappy on January 13, 2022, 01:00:13 PM
Post by: KCFDcat on January 13, 2022, 01:18:47 PM
What's this I heard about Matt Cambell to be HC of the Vikings. Last game he was seen walking the sidelines. The Athletic is reporting this speculation.
This would be such a dumb hire for the Vikings, so makes total sense then.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 13, 2022, 01:55:22 PM
What's this I heard about Matt Cambell to be HC of the Vikings. Last game he was seen walking the sidelines. The Athletic is reporting this speculation.
This sounds like bullshit to me but it's worth noting that it's also rumored his defensive coordinator is going to Notre Dame. I don't believe any Iowa State rumor, it's hard for me to believe that now these guys are in demand. Seems like they didn't strike when the iron was hot.
Post by: Katpappy on January 13, 2022, 02:01:14 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on January 13, 2022, 02:05:19 PM
Post by: WildcatNkilt on January 13, 2022, 02:23:11 PM
What's this I heard about Matt Cambell to be HC of the Vikings. Last game he was seen walking the sidelines. The Athletic is reporting this speculation.
This sounds like bullshit to me but it's worth noting that it's also rumored his defensive coordinator is going to Notre Dame. I don't believe any Iowa State rumor, it's hard for me to believe that now these guys are in demand. Seems like they didn't strike when the iron was hot.
Transfer portal should be highly entertaining if this happens.
Post by: Katpappy on January 13, 2022, 02:30:43 PM
What's this I heard about Matt Cambell to be HC of the Vikings. Last game he was seen walking the sidelines. The Athletic is reporting this speculation.
This sounds like bullshit to me but it's worth noting that it's also rumored his defensive coordinator is going to Notre Dame. I don't believe any Iowa State rumor, it's hard for me to believe that now these guys are in demand. Seems like they didn't strike when the iron was hot.
The transfer portal should be highly entertaining if this happens.
So will the Iowa State fans' responses. :lol:
Post by: MakeItRain on January 13, 2022, 06:19:51 PM
What's this I heard about Matt Cambell to be HC of the Vikings. Last game he was seen walking the sidelines. The Athletic is reporting this speculation.
This sounds like bullshit to me but it's worth noting that it's also rumored his defensive coordinator is going to Notre Dame. I don't believe any Iowa State rumor, it's hard for me to believe that now these guys are in demand. Seems like they didn't strike when the iron was hot.
Transfer portal should be highly entertaining if this happens.
There's not much there, a couple of defensive guys who could change their minds and declare for the draft.
Post by: Katpappy on January 13, 2022, 09:55:06 PM
What's this I heard about Matt Cambell to be HC of the Vikings. Last game he was seen walking the sidelines. The Athletic is reporting this speculation.
This sounds like bullshit to me but it's worth noting that it's also rumored his defensive coordinator is going to Notre Dame. I don't believe any Iowa State rumor, it's hard for me to believe that now these guys are in demand. Seems like they didn't strike when the iron was hot.
Transfer portal should be highly entertaining if this happens.
There's not much there, a couple of defensive guys who could change their minds and declare for the draft.
Is Hall sticking around?
Post by: MakeItRain on January 13, 2022, 10:08:54 PM
What's this I heard about Matt Cambell to be HC of the Vikings. Last game he was seen walking the sidelines. The Athletic is reporting this speculation.
This sounds like bullshit to me but it's worth noting that it's also rumored his defensive coordinator is going to Notre Dame. I don't believe any Iowa State rumor, it's hard for me to believe that now these guys are in demand. Seems like they didn't strike when the iron was hot.
Transfer portal should be highly entertaining if this happens.
There's not much there, a couple of defensive guys who could change their minds and declare for the draft.
Is Hall sticking around?
No
Post by: chum1 on January 13, 2022, 10:24:28 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 13, 2022, 10:51:51 PM
Given how much you see his name out there, Campbell must have a pretty sleazy agent.
He doesn't have one. There is a thought here that he isn't feeding his name for all of these jobs but it's national CFB media doing it. I didn't believe that until he was tied to USC job. That was complete bullshit, they never contacted him, but there were reports that he took the job, literally minutes later they hired Lincoln Riley.
Post by: michigancat on January 13, 2022, 11:02:40 PM
Post by: WildcatNkilt on January 14, 2022, 08:28:24 AM
Post by: wetwillie on January 14, 2022, 08:32:33 AM
Not having an agent seems pretty dumb
Yea I don’t understand that at all, seems wildly irresponsible.
Post by: Kat Kid on January 14, 2022, 10:33:46 AM
Other famous examples:
Curt Schilling
Bob Knight
Ricky Williams
Jim Harbaugh
Post by: KCFDcat on January 14, 2022, 10:58:35 AM
Not having an agent is a 100% dumb guy who thinks he’s smart thing:
Other famous examples:
Curt Schilling
Bob Knight
Ricky Williams
Jim Harbaugh
Lamar Jackson
Post by: chum1 on January 14, 2022, 11:15:08 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 14, 2022, 02:30:19 PM
Not having an agent is a 100% dumb guy who thinks he’s smart thing:
Other famous examples:
Curt Schilling
Bob Knight
Ricky Williams
Jim Harbaugh
Lamar Jackson
He does have an agent, just not a licenced one. His mother can focus on all that crap and he can focus on other stuff. Also NFL salaries, especially for superstars, are mostly prescriptive.
Post by: Kat Kid on January 14, 2022, 02:55:31 PM
I think a mom would at least have fiduciary duty’s, but Ricky Williams signed one of the worst contracts of all time as a first rounder and then signed another one when his agent was Master P or some crap that was even worse although he had been out of the league I think. I may have the order wrong here.Not having an agent is a 100% dumb guy who thinks he’s smart thing:
Other famous examples:
Curt Schilling
Bob Knight
Ricky Williams
Jim Harbaugh
Lamar Jackson
He does have an agent, just not a licenced one. His mother can focus on all that crap and he can focus on other stuff. Also NFL salaries, especially for superstars, are mostly prescriptive.
Post by: KCFDcat on January 14, 2022, 03:19:12 PM
Not having an agent is a 100% dumb guy who thinks he’s smart thing:
Other famous examples:
Curt Schilling
Bob Knight
Ricky Williams
Jim Harbaugh
Lamar Jackson
He does have an agent, just not a licenced one. His mother can focus on all that crap and he can focus on other stuff. Also NFL salaries, especially for superstars, are mostly prescriptive.
yeah I don't count his mom w/ no experience managing athletes. I know next to nothing about the field but I imagine a manager does a hell of a lot more than negotiate a contract every 5-7 years. Having someone on your side with contacts in the advertising field, helping their clients w portfolio managers etc...
I'm sure his mom is a great lady and has his best interests at heart, doesn't mean she's qualified or is actually helping him promote himself. But maybe she is super qualified and great at it, I dunno. Don't see him getting much, if any, exposure via commercials and the like. I'd think one of the superstars of the league would be pulling at least a few ads here and there.
Post by: KCFDcat on January 14, 2022, 03:20:45 PM
Not having an agent is a 100% dumb guy who thinks he’s smart thing:
Other famous examples:
Curt Schilling
Bob Knight
Ricky Williams
Jim Harbaugh
Lamar Jackson
He does have an agent, just not a licenced one. His mother can focus on all that crap and he can focus on other stuff. Also NFL salaries, especially for superstars, are mostly prescriptive.
yeah I don't count his mom w/ no experience managing athletes. I know next to nothing about the field but I imagine a manager does a hell of a lot more than negotiate a contract every 5-7 years. Having someone on your side with contacts in the advertising field, helping their clients w portfolio managers etc...
I'm sure his mom is a great lady and has his best interests at heart, doesn't mean she's qualified or is actually helping him promote himself. But maybe she is super qualified and great at it, I dunno. Don't see him getting much, if any, exposure via commercials and the like. I'd think one of the superstars of the league would be pulling at least a few ads here and there.
also mixing family and business is almost always a bad idea, can attest to this first hand.
Post by: steve dave on January 14, 2022, 04:13:23 PM
Not having an agent is a 100% dumb guy who thinks he’s smart thing:
Other famous examples:
Curt Schilling
Bob Knight
Ricky Williams
Jim Harbaugh
Lamar Jackson
He does have an agent, just not a licenced one. His mother can focus on all that crap and he can focus on other stuff. Also NFL salaries, especially for superstars, are mostly prescriptive.
yeah I don't count his mom w/ no experience managing athletes. I know next to nothing about the field but I imagine a manager does a hell of a lot more than negotiate a contract every 5-7 years. Having someone on your side with contacts in the advertising field, helping their clients w portfolio managers etc...
I'm sure his mom is a great lady and has his best interests at heart, doesn't mean she's qualified or is actually helping him promote himself. But maybe she is super qualified and great at it, I dunno. Don't see him getting much, if any, exposure via commercials and the like. I'd think one of the superstars of the league would be pulling at least a few ads here and there.
also mixing family and business is almost always a bad idea, can attest to this first hand.
My family has a very positive experience with it but I think probably small towns and especially farm/ranch stuff is an assumed exception.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 14, 2022, 06:44:56 PM
Not having an agent is a 100% dumb guy who thinks he’s smart thing:
Other famous examples:
Curt Schilling
Bob Knight
Ricky Williams
Jim Harbaugh
Lamar Jackson
He does have an agent, just not a licenced one. His mother can focus on all that crap and he can focus on other stuff. Also NFL salaries, especially for superstars, are mostly prescriptive.
yeah I don't count his mom w/ no experience managing athletes. I know next to nothing about the field but I imagine a manager does a hell of a lot more than negotiate a contract every 5-7 years. Having someone on your side with contacts in the advertising field, helping their clients w portfolio managers etc...
I'm sure his mom is a great lady and has his best interests at heart, doesn't mean she's qualified or is actually helping him promote himself. But maybe she is super qualified and great at it, I dunno. Don't see him getting much, if any, exposure via commercials and the like. I'd think one of the superstars of the league would be pulling at least a few ads here and there.
also mixing family and business is almost always a bad idea, can attest to this first hand.
It's his mother, not some long lost second cousin.
He's about to sign a $40 million per year contract. I think the decision to use her worked out just fine
Post by: ben ji on January 15, 2022, 10:51:50 AM
Post by: Kat Kid on January 15, 2022, 12:09:00 PM
Did Snyder ever have an agent? I'm going to assume no but I honestly have no idea.If he didn’t then he was a master negotiator for all the special clauses and carve outs. He definitely had a tax advisor because he deferred compensation multiple times.
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HEYY OH
Thank you thank you. I'll be here all week. Don't forget to hug your children and kiss your wife!
Post by: KST8FAN on January 30, 2022, 09:33:17 AM
I thought this was cool.
Tom
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Post by: bucket on February 14, 2022, 08:46:01 PM
I'm glad he's sticking around for the Big 12.
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Post by: chum1 on March 10, 2022, 07:19:21 PM
https://twitter.com/FOS/status/1501971624777637899
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 07:53:29 PM
Nice place
https://twitter.com/FOS/status/1501971624777637899
OU fans are legitimately in the replies comparing this to lakefront property in Oklahoma. These people are certifiable
https://twitter.com/ibcgood/status/1502045137857359875
Post by: OB_Won on March 10, 2022, 09:39:36 PM
Yeah, but you can't get all 4 seasons in LA, bub!
OU fans are legitimately in the replies comparing this to lakefront property in Oklahoma. These people are certifiable
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Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 11, 2022, 09:09:59 AM
I don't think I'd call that oceanfrontwhatever you say george strait
Post by: michigancat on March 11, 2022, 09:35:02 AM
I think in real estate terms it is "ocean view"That is fair
Post by: MakeItRain on March 11, 2022, 10:34:31 AM
I think in real estate terms it is "ocean view"
The view of Lake Thunderbird is way better
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https://twitter.com/StormeJones/status/1518957858850807808
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Edit: nvm, their fight song was from Yale
Post by: Katpappy on April 28, 2022, 04:22:51 PM
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Post by: ELL3 on July 03, 2022, 03:12:32 PM
https://twitter.com/NextPageSports1/status/1541846038423691264?s=20&t=1GVb0Bwjs6FFvWEz58OPig
Two former Cats on that staff, Cook and Crash
Post by: michigancat on July 03, 2022, 04:05:39 PM
Post by: michigancat on July 03, 2022, 04:06:21 PM
What is assistant wide receiver coachSounds like a Tang coaching position
Post by: Spracne on July 03, 2022, 04:07:36 PM
What is assistant wide receiver coach
Director of Hands
Post by: ben ji on July 03, 2022, 04:19:10 PM
Hopefully he can become a stud D1 recruiter then come home and help Klein build a monster.
Also he is one of my favorite players from the ho-hum late snyder2.0 years. Loved him playing QB after everyone else got hurt.
Post by: wetwillie on July 03, 2022, 04:38:55 PM
What is assistant wide receiver coach
We call it a quality control analyst or some crap like that
Post by: wiley on September 18, 2022, 05:28:59 PM
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Post by: GregKSU1027 on September 22, 2022, 04:38:48 PM
Post by: bucket on October 02, 2022, 08:56:04 PM
Isn't Leonhard pretty highly thought of? Maybe this is what they wanted all along.
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 03, 2022, 08:55:45 AM
Post by: wetwillie on October 03, 2022, 08:59:16 AM
Post by: Pete on October 03, 2022, 09:43:23 AM
What’s the story with Leonhard, is he like the Scott Frost of Wisky football?Kinda their Venzy. He didn’t coach until recently tho. Chryst brought him in, but they love him.
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 03, 2022, 09:45:15 AM
What’s the story with Leonhard, is he like the Scott Frost of Wisky football?
He’s their Jordy with a less successful (but still long) NFL career if Jordy came back to be our WRs coach then OC. He was an in-state walk-on who went on to have a 10 year NFL career, then returned to his alma mater to coach after taking a year after after retiring from the NFL. In his year off he was still around the Wisconsin program hanging out with Dave Aranda as basically an internship to learn about the college game in preparation of becoming a college coach.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 03, 2022, 10:54:47 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 03, 2022, 10:59:48 AM
I'm going to need to know how he pronounces his last name. Because right now I'm only pronouncing it the very wrong way.
Like Leonard
Post by: Brock Landers on October 03, 2022, 11:25:02 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 03, 2022, 11:29:56 AM
Looks like Colorado whacked Karl Dorrell yesterday. They have really fallen off a cliff.
They fell off that cliff nearly 20 years ago and have been dead on the ground for over a decade.
Post by: nicname on October 03, 2022, 11:41:09 AM
Looks like Colorado whacked Karl Dorrell yesterday. They have really fallen off a cliff.
They fell off that cliff nearly 20 years ago and have been dead on the ground for over a decade.
Since Snyder hater Gary Barnett left after 2005 they've gone thru six head coaches. None have had a career winning record; conference or overall.
They're 63-120 (36-91) since 2006.
Post by: michigancat on October 03, 2022, 11:48:36 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 03, 2022, 01:45:56 PM
I legit think CU is one of the toughest p5 jobs because it's so isolated geographically
Seriously?
Post by: Spracne on October 03, 2022, 01:49:18 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 03, 2022, 01:59:13 PM
Looks like Colorado whacked Karl Dorrell yesterday. They have really fallen off a cliff.
They fell off that cliff nearly 20 years ago and have been dead on the ground for over a decade.
Since Snyder hater Gary Barnett left after 2005 they've gone thru six head coaches. None have had a career winning record; conference or overall.
They're 63-120 (36-91) since 2006.
That's nightmarish. I'm a conference that's not anything close to a gauntlet.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 03, 2022, 02:01:14 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 03, 2022, 02:06:23 PM
I legit think CU is one of the toughest p5 jobs because it's so isolated geographically
Seriously?
yeah. Obviously some are worse but you aren't gonna have a full program of Colorado kids and their neighboring states are all low population states.
Post by: I_have_purplewood on October 03, 2022, 02:10:03 PM
I legit think CU is one of the toughest p5 jobs because it's so isolated geographically
Seriously?
yeah. Obviously some are worse but you aren't gonna have a full program of Colorado kids and their neighboring states are all low population states.
I'm not sure I agree with that either. It might not be the easiest to get too but I think that can be made up from it's beauty alone and things to do there?
Post by: MakeItRain on October 03, 2022, 02:18:01 PM
I legit think CU is one of the toughest p5 jobs because it's so isolated geographically
Seriously?
yeah. Obviously some are worse but you aren't gonna have a full program of Colorado kids and their neighboring states are all low population states.
Nah, man. Colorado produces more talent than all the states around them and they are the only P5 program in their state and Utah and BYU are the only programs even close to them. They've done an awful job keeping what talent they do have in state. When they've been good they have the ability to recruit Texas and California the way we can only recruit Texas, it's one of the reasons why they left. They are routinely behind K-State, KU, Tech, Utah, and BYU in recruiting and that's unacceptable. They don't recruit their state or any of their neighboring states, worth a damn. They should be on the same kids as we are, but they aren't. Off the top of my head, since they've been bad we've gotten two guys, from Colorado, who both may be in the college football Hall of Fame one day. Not to mention a lot of good young players like Rubley and Pastore.
I don't know what their recruiting budget is, but the problem isn't the availability of players, but who they are targeting.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 03, 2022, 02:24:28 PM
I legit think CU is one of the toughest p5 jobs because it's so isolated geographically
Seriously?
yeah. Obviously some are worse but you aren't gonna have a full program of Colorado kids and their neighboring states are all low population states.
Nah, man. Colorado produces more talent than all the states around them and they are the only P5 program in their state and Utah and BYU are the only programs even close to them. They've done an awful job keeping what talent they do have in state. When they've been good they have the ability to recruit Texas and California the way we can only recruit Texas, it's one of the reasons why they left. They are routinely behind K-State, KU, Tech, Utah, and BYU in recruiting and that's unacceptable. They don't recruit their state or any of their neighboring states, worth a damn. They should be on the same kids as we are, but they aren't. Off the top of my head, since they've been bad we've gotten two guys, from Colorado, who both may be in the college football Hall of Fame one day. Not to mention a lot of good young players like Rubley and Pastore.
I don't know what their recruiting budget is, but the problem isn't the availability of players, but who they are targeting.
I just checked their media guide and they have the same amount of Arizonans as we do, three, how in the hell is that possible?
Post by: catastrophe on October 03, 2022, 02:41:34 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 03, 2022, 04:41:13 PM
Post by: Spracne on October 03, 2022, 04:57:19 PM
I don't understand Wisconsin firing Paul Chryst. Seems like he's been one of the most successful coaches they have had.
War on religion.
Post by: michigancat on October 04, 2022, 07:49:28 AM
I don't understand Wisconsin firing Paul Chryst. Seems like he's been one of the most successful coaches they have had.
https://twitter.com/dirkchatelain/status/1576714626426773504
Post by: stunted on October 04, 2022, 08:20:32 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 04, 2022, 08:34:09 AM
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 04, 2022, 09:02:46 AM
With their schedule the rest of the way out, it isn’t hard to see him finishing 4-3 then having a mess of firing with a bowl game in order to keep Leonhard.
They can also start working on Lance along with Nebraska in case Leonhard bombs.
Post by: konofo on October 04, 2022, 09:12:45 AM
Paul Chryst's win percentage was about 10 points higher than Barry Alvarez's, for a better point of reference.Not really a good comparison. Alvarez took over a terribad program, and didn't benefit from having OSU/Michigan/PSU in another division. There were some very poor years, but he also won three Big Ten titles, three Rose Bowls, and finished top 5 those years.
Chryst's teams were more consistent performers and went to a bowl every year. The Pelini comparisons are a better fit, in terms of situation and results. Alvarez seems more like Wisconsin's Snyder.
kono
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2022, 12:16:47 PM
They fired him now because they’d rather have of 10+ season with Leonhard starting now over a couple more of Chryst then having to pay Chryst’s buyout & Leonhard’s buyout from wherever he’s at.
With their schedule the rest of the way out, it isn’t hard to see him finishing 4-3 then having a mess of firing with a bowl game in order to keep Leonhard.
They can also start working on Lance along with Nebraska in case Leonhard bombs.
Yep!
Post by: wetwillie on October 04, 2022, 12:39:31 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 04, 2022, 01:10:13 PM
They fired him now because they’d rather have of 10+ season with Leonhard starting now over a couple more of Chryst then having to pay Chryst’s buyout & Leonhard’s buyout from wherever he’s at.
With their schedule the rest of the way out, it isn’t hard to see him finishing 4-3 then having a mess of firing with a bowl game in order to keep Leonhard.
They can also start working on Lance along with Nebraska in case Leonhard bombs.
Yep!
man that just seems like a huge risk and I don't think the start of the season exactly warrants a firing.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 04, 2022, 01:18:03 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 04, 2022, 01:54:24 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on October 04, 2022, 03:02:45 PM
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 04, 2022, 04:30:29 PM
The decision process is no longer “does this guy deserve the job?” Every year it’s “is this guy the best available to us moving forward that we can afford?” If the answer is no, they’ll make a change.
Wisconsin asked if they’re better off with (a) Chryst & a new DC or (b) Leonhard or Lance. They answered b & can now afford it, so they choose b.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2022, 04:40:24 PM
Bert left for Arkansas after a pretty successful tenure (a little strange) and the dude who replaced him left for Oregon rough ridin' State (stranger still). To be fair, both of those coaches have proven to be pretty strange themselves. I don't know that there's a logical explanation for what goes on at Wisconsin.
Bert left because Wisconsin has been historically cheap with assistant coaches. Andersen left because the administration wouldn't admit recruits he wanted, I'm sure this was also an issue for Bielema, but that was never reported.
The administration has been problematic there since Alvarez left. It's less an issue with Alvarez and more of an issue of them refusing to evolve with college football trends.
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 04, 2022, 06:34:27 PM
Bert left for Arkansas after a pretty successful tenure (a little strange) and the dude who replaced him left for Oregon rough ridin' State (stranger still). To be fair, both of those coaches have proven to be pretty strange themselves. I don't know that there's a logical explanation for what goes on at Wisconsin.
Bert left because Wisconsin has been historically cheap with assistant coaches. Andersen left because the administration wouldn't admit recruits he wanted, I'm sure this was also an issue for Bielema, but that was never reported.
The administration has been problematic there since Alvarez left. It's less an issue with Alvarez and more of an issue of them refusing to evolve with college football trends.
For a long time Alvarez put a $300k cap on assistants. You’re right, they just refused to evolve.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 06, 2022, 10:12:37 AM
https://theathletic.com/3661745/2022/10/06/paul-chryst-fired-wisconsin-jim-leonhard/
Essentially he hasn't responded to the NIL era of recruiting very well, plus having a barebones recruiting staff for a period of time. Also they had some key recruiting misses lately. He's made some odd staff hires and the locker "culture" is "off". Does sound like it's the DC's job if he does well.
Post by: Pete on October 13, 2022, 01:29:20 PM
Post by: wetwillie on October 13, 2022, 01:30:54 PM
Post by: bucket on October 31, 2022, 12:30:18 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on October 31, 2022, 12:35:04 PM
Post by: chum1 on October 31, 2022, 12:38:26 PM
Post by: chum1 on October 31, 2022, 12:44:01 PM
It's entertaining.
See what I mean! :lol:
https://twitter.com/247Sports/status/1587137242287419395
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 31, 2022, 12:46:53 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 31, 2022, 01:39:50 PM
It's entertaining.
See what I mean! :lol:
https://twitter.com/247Sports/status/1587137242287419395
lol, these boosters are really rough ridin'
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 31, 2022, 01:50:48 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 31, 2022, 01:53:59 PM
I'm no expert on SEC fball but I don't know why you'd go from Ole Miss to Auburn when you got things somewhat rolling there.They're a little looser with money at Auburn
Post by: CHONGS on October 31, 2022, 01:54:44 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 31, 2022, 01:57:14 PM
I'm no expert on SEC fball but I don't know why you'd go from Ole Miss to Auburn when you got things somewhat rolling there.you wouldn't, Lane Kiffin doesn't give two shits about 2010. Them winning the Cam Newton sweepstakes 12 years ago isn't indicative that program is any better than most other SEC schools. I'm certain coaches care a lot more about their boosters lying to the media about their first year coach sleeping with a 23 year old staffer, just because they didn't like how the first year went.
Auburn made Brian Harsin sympathetic, that's damn near impossible.
Post by: Pete on October 31, 2022, 01:57:32 PM
I kinda like this quick trigger coach firing/huge buyout insanity. It's entertaining.I too am entertained. It’s getting crazier now that everyone is getting closer to admitting publicly that big time D1 football has nothing to do with education.
Post by: kstater on October 31, 2022, 02:05:17 PM
I'm no expert on SEC fball but I don't know why you'd go from Ole Miss to Auburn when you got things somewhat rolling there.Stability duh
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 31, 2022, 02:28:10 PM
Or maybe I'm just being obtuse. Maybe you go to Auburn, fail, and get paid and paid and paid.
Either way, how embarrassing for what is otherwise a pretty good school, with a solid reputation and growth trajectory.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 31, 2022, 02:28:52 PM
Post by: pissclams on October 31, 2022, 04:40:59 PM
I kinda like this quick trigger coach firing/huge buyout insanity. It's entertaining.
after you account for SEC huge buyout insanity, the SEC television deal dilutes to ACC levels per team
Post by: MakeItRain on October 31, 2022, 06:31:30 PM
Post by: WildcatNkilt on November 01, 2022, 10:04:21 AM
Post by: wetwillie on November 01, 2022, 11:08:27 AM
Outside of payday, coaching in the SEC seems miserable.
Leach seems to be doing ok
Post by: MakeItRain on November 01, 2022, 11:55:59 AM
Outside of payday, coaching in the SEC seems miserable.
Leach seems to be doing ok
Let's revisit this again on black friday, the day after Lane beats his ass and he's 0-3 in the egg bowl.
Post by: Pete on November 02, 2022, 08:25:39 AM
Post by: muqluk on November 06, 2022, 08:38:01 PM
Post by: Spracne on November 06, 2022, 08:40:56 PM
https://twitter.com/walterkfriedman/status/1589413285970923521
I'm hearing that Neal Brown is gritting his way through a painful crap in this photo.
Post by: muqluk on November 06, 2022, 08:53:19 PM
https://twitter.com/walterkfriedman/status/1589413285970923521
I'm hearing that Neal Brown is gritting his way through a painful crap in this photo.
Who is Neal brown? I thought it was Ben Shapiro
Post by: bucket on November 21, 2022, 07:50:48 PM
Post by: chum1 on November 21, 2022, 07:55:44 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 21, 2022, 07:58:27 PM
https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin/status/1594870642595201024
Post by: cfbandyman on November 21, 2022, 09:34:34 PM
Post by: ELL3 on November 21, 2022, 09:44:28 PM
https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1587795158682173440?s=21
Gosh, hard to see any difference in these two guys. I wonder why Jimbo has a longer leash.
Post by: OB_Won on November 21, 2022, 11:31:19 PM
Probably nothing to do with a National Title or $85M buyout.https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1587795158682173440?s=21
Gosh, hard to see any difference in these two guys. I wonder why Jimbo has a longer leash.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 22, 2022, 12:37:10 AM
He didn't win that national championship at A&M, he was in the process of already ruining one program. He went 5-6 at Florida State the season he was hired to take over at A&M. You think they would have given Sumlin that job if he was in the process of missing a bowl game and finishing 6th in the ACC Atlantic division, at Florida State?Probably nothing to do with a National Title or $85M buyout.https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1587795158682173440?s=21
Gosh, hard to see any difference in these two guys. I wonder why Jimbo has a longer leash.
Jimbo was given the extension that called for his ridiculous buyout after his third season, he was 17-8 in conference, definitely good, but he didn't even win a division, does that merit a $100 million buyout? Sumlin was also given a generous buyout on his extension but it was nowhere close to $100 million.
I don't think that A&M were explicit in giving Jimbo more money and a longer rope "because he's white." I do think they were wreckless with hiring him and with his extension, in a way that they wouldn't have with Sumlin.
Post by: Pete on November 22, 2022, 07:46:37 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 22, 2022, 08:38:12 AM
Post by: Kat Kid on November 22, 2022, 09:22:50 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 22, 2022, 11:10:21 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 22, 2022, 12:14:39 PM
How many games did Sumlin end up coaching before he was fired?
51. They were also 7-4 when he was fired. They'd murder a black man walking on their grass for 7-4 right now.
Post by: Houstoncat93 on November 22, 2022, 12:23:01 PM
How many games did Sumlin end up coaching before he was fired?
51. They were also 7-4 when he was fired. They'd murder a black man walking on their grass for 7-4 right now.
Wiki says his record at A&M was 51 - 26 over 6 seasons.
Post by: chum1 on November 22, 2022, 12:36:46 PM
Post by: OB_Won on November 22, 2022, 02:57:32 PM
Mostly agree. I have little doubt there are some racist decision makers at a&m. However, I don't think that has anything to do with giving Jimbo a stupid contract, and then locking themselves into it for nearly a decade. After all, it was the same admin that gave Sumlin the job first. I think it has more to do with unrealistic expectations, and going scorched earth in pursuit of them. Now they have to sleep in the bed the poo'd in.He didn't win that national championship at A&M, he was in the process of already ruining one program. He went 5-6 at Florida State the season he was hired to take over at A&M. You think they would have given Sumlin that job if he was in the process of missing a bowl game and finishing 6th in the ACC Atlantic division, at Florida State?Probably nothing to do with a National Title or $85M buyout.https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1587795158682173440?s=21
Gosh, hard to see any difference in these two guys. I wonder why Jimbo has a longer leash.
Jimbo was given the extension that called for his ridiculous buyout after his third season, he was 17-8 in conference, definitely good, but he didn't even win a division, does that merit a $100 million buyout? Sumlin was also given a generous buyout on his extension but it was nowhere close to $100 million.
I don't think that A&M were explicit in giving Jimbo more money and a longer rope "because he's white." I do think they were wreckless with hiring him and with his extension, in a way that they wouldn't have with Sumlin.
Post by: Katpappy on November 22, 2022, 03:03:15 PM
Mostly agree. I have little doubt there are some racist decision makers at a&m. However, I don't think that has anything to do with giving Jimbo a stupid contract, and then locking themselves into it for nearly a decade. After all, it was the same admin that gave Sumlin the job first. I think it has more to do with unrealistic expectations, and going scorched earth in pursuit of them. Now they have to sleep in the bed the poo'd in.He didn't win that national championship at A&M, he was in the process of already ruining one program. He went 5-6 at Florida State the season he was hired to take over at A&M. You think they would have given Sumlin that job if he was in the process of missing a bowl game and finishing 6th in the ACC Atlantic division, at Florida State?Probably nothing to do with a National Title or $85M buyout.https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1587795158682173440?s=21
Gosh, hard to see any difference in these two guys. I wonder why Jimbo has a longer leash.
Jimbo was given the extension that called for his ridiculous buyout after his third season, he was 17-8 in conference, definitely good, but he didn't even win a division, does that merit a $100 million buyout? Sumlin was also given a generous buyout on his extension but it was nowhere close to $100 million.
I don't think that A&M were explicit in giving Jimbo more money and a longer rope "because he's white." I do think they were wreckless with hiring him and with his extension, in a way that they wouldn't have with Sumlin.
His FSU team beat Alabama in the BCS NC and that is what they dream of, hence they get him at all costs.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 22, 2022, 03:04:10 PM
Post by: Katpappy on November 22, 2022, 03:05:15 PM
Post by: ben ji on November 22, 2022, 03:19:09 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 22, 2022, 05:53:15 PM
I read that question as wins.How many games did Sumlin end up coaching before he was fired?
51. They were also 7-4 when he was fired. They'd murder a black man walking on their grass for 7-4 right now.
Wiki says his record at A&M was 51 - 26 over 6 seasons.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 22, 2022, 05:54:20 PM
Mostly agree. I have little doubt there are some racist decision makers at a&m. However, I don't think that has anything to do with giving Jimbo a stupid contract, and then locking themselves into it for nearly a decade. After all, it was the same admin that gave Sumlin the job first. I think it has more to do with unrealistic expectations, and going scorched earth in pursuit of them. Now they have to sleep in the bed the poo'd in.He didn't win that national championship at A&M, he was in the process of already ruining one program. He went 5-6 at Florida State the season he was hired to take over at A&M. You think they would have given Sumlin that job if he was in the process of missing a bowl game and finishing 6th in the ACC Atlantic division, at Florida State?Probably nothing to do with a National Title or $85M buyout.https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1587795158682173440?s=21
Gosh, hard to see any difference in these two guys. I wonder why Jimbo has a longer leash.
Jimbo was given the extension that called for his ridiculous buyout after his third season, he was 17-8 in conference, definitely good, but he didn't even win a division, does that merit a $100 million buyout? Sumlin was also given a generous buyout on his extension but it was nowhere close to $100 million.
I don't think that A&M were explicit in giving Jimbo more money and a longer rope "because he's white." I do think they were wreckless with hiring him and with his extension, in a way that they wouldn't have with Sumlin.
fully agree
Post by: ksuchris2000 on November 22, 2022, 10:03:54 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on November 22, 2022, 10:10:14 PM
Yeah, they gave him a stupid fully guaranteed contract to get him to leave the dumpster fire he created in FSU then gave him another fully guaranteed extension after they went 9-1 during the COVID year when no one was trying.
That's the rough ridin' life, getting a crap ton of $$$ with nothing really to show, Charlie Weis should take some notes, except he's wiping his ass with his own millions
Post by: cfbandyman on November 22, 2022, 10:11:15 PM
https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/1595252773351985152?s=61&t=BXOHRVra9tB_1GhP5pRAbg
Actual facilities upgrade or gridiron club upgrades?
Post by: pissclams on November 23, 2022, 09:42:10 AM
https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/1595252773351985152?s=61&t=BXOHRVra9tB_1GhP5pRAbg
Actual facilities upgrade or gridiron club upgrades?
does this extension indicate he’s staying in lawrence?
Post by: Pete on November 23, 2022, 09:47:22 AM
Post by: Pete on November 23, 2022, 09:50:03 AM
Post by: Skipper44 on November 23, 2022, 10:01:56 AM
i am rooting for Bill O'Brien to get it and be the outsider that talks crap on Nebraska and it's tradition as he flames out.
Post by: Pete on November 23, 2022, 12:48:48 PM
Dennis Dodd has reported Rhule turned Neb down but he has been wrong often and Neb's offer is likely to keep increasing as candidates like Leipold use them for leverage.Oh man. I change my wish to this also.
i am rooting for Bill O'Brien to get it and be the outsider that talks crap on Nebraska and it's tradition as he flames out.
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 23, 2022, 12:54:02 PM
Did I miss anything on his buyout being increased?
Post by: Spracne on November 23, 2022, 12:54:50 PM
Leipold's only received contract extensions, right? His original buyout was only $6 million (think it is $5 million this year), unless they massively increased his buyout, this all means nothing as far as him taking another job.
Did I miss anything on his buyout being increased?
No details have been released, but it has been said (rumored?) that this includes a substantial pay increase and a higher buyout.
Post by: catastrophe on November 23, 2022, 01:34:26 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 23, 2022, 01:38:43 PM
What would even be the point of extending the contract if his buyout didn't go up? That would be a pretty big red flag if LL agreed to more money but with just as much freedom to leave, no?
I was told by some big time Hawks that the reason they have a terrible recruiting class is because of the questions around LL staying and that announcing an extension helps with that commitment.
I asked about the buyout, and was told it doesn't matter.
Post by: catastrophe on November 23, 2022, 02:53:39 PM
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 23, 2022, 02:55:03 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 23, 2022, 09:45:06 PM
What would even be the point of extending the contract if his buyout didn't go up? That would be a pretty big red flag if LL agreed to more money but with just as much freedom to leave, no?
I was told by some big time Hawks that the reason they have a terrible recruiting class is because of the questions around LL staying and that announcing an extension helps with that commitment.
I asked about the buyout, and was told it doesn't matter.
Yeah, I'm guessing him signing some undefined extension will get them from having no commitments to a respectable class, in less than a month.
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 23, 2022, 10:04:46 PM
What would even be the point of extending the contract if his buyout didn't go up? That would be a pretty big red flag if LL agreed to more money but with just as much freedom to leave, no?
I was told by some big time Hawks that the reason they have a terrible recruiting class is because of the questions around LL staying and that announcing an extension helps with that commitment.
I asked about the buyout, and was told it doesn't matter.
Yeah, I'm guessing him signing some undefined extension will get them from having no commitments to a respectable class, in less than a month.
They also said this doesn’t matter either because they will continue to kill it in the portal. Pointing out their 21st ranked transfer class last year.
It wasn’t ranked 21st simply because they had the 7th most transfers in the country either…..
Post by: Houstoncat93 on November 26, 2022, 09:14:00 AM
Post by: wetwillie on November 26, 2022, 09:27:01 AM
Post by: Houstoncat93 on November 26, 2022, 10:22:21 AM
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1596539195715354625?s=20&t=v4Ed60ka00ipMUkNQext5Q
Post by: Houstoncat93 on November 26, 2022, 10:32:36 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2022, 12:13:16 PM
Post by: KSNimrod on November 26, 2022, 12:14:24 PM
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Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 26, 2022, 12:40:49 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 26, 2022, 01:19:56 PM
I don't think much of Deion but I think him taking the Colorado job is mutually a very poor choice.
I can’t think of a worse pairing. I assume only an SEC or ACC team can get him to accept.
Post by: pissclams on November 26, 2022, 03:16:32 PM
Post by: kstater on November 26, 2022, 03:20:07 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on November 26, 2022, 03:28:39 PM
Post by: Houstoncat93 on November 27, 2022, 11:15:29 AM
This one kind of surprises me.
Post by: michigancat on November 27, 2022, 11:31:10 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 27, 2022, 01:44:26 PM
The Shaw news is shocking to me. I watched his press conference. I hope he doesn't take a job right away but does some TV. He's a smart dude, I'm sure he'd be good on TV.
Post by: Pete on November 27, 2022, 01:46:46 PM
Post by: Pete on November 27, 2022, 01:49:50 PM
I forgot who I owe $100 to in the bet that Wisconsin would hire Leipold, but I owe one of you guys $100.
@ me or DM with the original post please!
Post by: CHONGS on November 27, 2022, 02:14:30 PM
Post by: I_have_purplewood on November 27, 2022, 02:22:13 PM
I forgot who I owe $100 to in the bet that Wisconsin would hire Leipold, but I owe one of you guys $100.
@ me or DM with the original post please!
I think it was me? I'll try and find the thread. And we can always roll that into another bet if it was.
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 27, 2022, 04:13:37 PM
i think deion would be a great fit for iowa state when campbell inevitably leaves for alabama
Yeah Bama has a real jones for last-place conference coaches.
Post by: Pete on November 27, 2022, 06:44:33 PM
Just DM me your Venmo or PayPalI forgot who I owe $100 to in the bet that Wisconsin would hire Leipold, but I owe one of you guys $100.
@ me or DM with the original post please!
I think it was me? I'll try and find the thread. And we can always roll that into another bet if it was.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 28, 2022, 11:35:02 AM
On Jox 94.5 (Finebaum's original station) they were saying a fairly connected reporter in that area is reporting that Meyer is the front runner.
If I ran the place, I'd never even answer the calls from his agents.
I just don't see how a school can hire that serial abuser, but it's major college football. :dunno:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 28, 2022, 11:45:22 AM
Post by: Pete on November 28, 2022, 12:38:52 PM
https://twitter.com/thejasonkirk/status/1597238606418317313?s=20&t=Gk9aL7iTuQ7Iw2BFxVwVNwWould definitely add some spice to the conference
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2022, 02:09:29 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 28, 2022, 03:25:06 PM
Post by: CHONGS on November 28, 2022, 03:35:26 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 28, 2022, 03:38:20 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2022, 03:53:06 PM
Post by: ben ji on November 28, 2022, 04:20:53 PM
lol, "just hookers" he was also using his state owned cell phone for booking said hookers iirc. I also think he paid by check.
And this while at liberty
https://twitter.com/chelsandrews/status/1545983057232027648?t=AGsWgwYLgLrgloiJrU2I6w&s=19
Post by: wetwillie on November 28, 2022, 04:38:32 PM
lol, "just hookers" he was also using his state owned cell phone for booking said hookers iirc. I also think he paid by check.
I don’t put him on the same level as Briles, probably somewhere in the ballpark of Meyer.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2022, 06:00:16 PM
lol, "just hookers" he was also using his state owned cell phone for booking said hookers iirc. I also think he paid by check.
I don’t put him on the same level as Briles, probably somewhere in the ballpark of Meyer.
For as sloppy as urban was, he had some soccer mom sitting in his lap, he didn't use his state issued cell phone to break the law. I'd compare him to a jesus'y hypocrite version of Bobby Petrino.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2022, 06:04:35 PM
lol, "just hookers" he was also using his state owned cell phone for booking said hookers iirc. I also think he paid by check.
And this while at liberty
https://twitter.com/chelsandrews/status/1545983057232027648?t=AGsWgwYLgLrgloiJrU2I6w&s=19
Yeah, worth noting that his stint at Liberty likely made him more of a scumbag, not less. I've recommended it before and I'll recommend it again but the latest season of the Gangster Capitalism podcast over Liberty and the institutional scandal happening there now, independent of Jerry Falwell, is shocking and should be a national scandal.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 28, 2022, 06:12:39 PM
You crap can a generally good person for not being immediately successful to hire a POS like Freeze.
Post by: CHONGS on November 28, 2022, 06:20:41 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 28, 2022, 06:45:00 PM
Post by: CHONGS on November 28, 2022, 06:57:07 PM
I don't know how much of the mistress stuff was the truth or Yella Wood Mafia throwing dirt around because they wanted the AD gone and wanted Harsin gone.It was most likely BS from the Usual Suspects.
The new AD is tainted permanently now too. Total crap show. Auburn fans better get out there breaking sinks.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 28, 2022, 07:06:50 PM
But they’re not Bama so . . .
Post by: wetwillie on November 28, 2022, 07:34:32 PM
Post by: ednksu on November 28, 2022, 07:39:55 PM
lol, "just hookers" he was also using his state owned cell phone for booking said hookers iirc. I also think he paid by check.
I don’t put him on the same level as Briles, probably somewhere in the ballpark of Meyer.
For as sloppy as urban was, he had some soccer mom sitting in his lap, he didn't use his state issued cell phone to break the law. I'd compare him to a jesus'y hypocrite version of Bobby Petrino.
Yeah, but if you include his UF days just under the Jesusbow veneer he gets pretty scummy pretty fast.
Post by: CHONGS on November 28, 2022, 08:04:22 PM
This thing basically done spinning now?Did Stanford hire someone?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2022, 08:18:28 PM
This thing basically done spinning now?
Not even close
Post by: wetwillie on November 28, 2022, 08:19:52 PM
This thing basically done spinning now?Did Stanford hire someone?
I think the openings are Cinci, Colorado, Stanford. Didn’t think any of them would nab a sitting P5 coach.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 28, 2022, 08:53:38 PM
Post by: Pete on November 28, 2022, 09:27:42 PM
Post by: ben ji on November 28, 2022, 09:34:39 PM
Urban and Hugh Freeze aren't even in the same ball park. Freeze isn't much better than Briles.Yeah, urban had some shady guys as players and got a picture taken of him with a 20 something girls grinding on his leg.
Freeze got his university a 2 year bowl ban for giving out bags (totally legal now) but blamed it on the previous coach....then the previous coach sued him for defamation and they found out freeze had been calling hookers from his ole miss issued cell phone for years.....Not to mention the whole DM'n someone who is suing your university for sexual assault to stick up for the AD
These are different
Post by: wetwillie on November 28, 2022, 09:59:32 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2022, 10:36:02 PM
This thing basically done spinning now?Did Stanford hire someone?
I think the openings are Cinci, Colorado, Stanford. Didn’t think any of them would nab a sitting P5 coach.
Boy do I have some news for you.
oscar Feldman works for Urban Meyer, understand that when I give you his list, in order.
ready?
Matt Campbell, Iowa State head coach
The biggest name I think will get serious consideration for the job is Campbell. He’s an Ohio native who starred at Mount Union before getting the Toledo job, where he was excellent. He led Iowa State to its best season ever, finishing No. 9 in 2020. The past two seasons Iowa State has tailed off, going 13-14, but no one in the business doubts how good a coach he is. Would Campbell think the timing is right to leave Ames for Cincinnati? We’re not so sure. He’s got a good situation in Iowa, but Ohio is home and he recruits the state very well. There is a lot more talent locally for him to mine.
The rest of the list, in order
Gino Gudidugli
Jim Leonhard
Alex Golesh
Brian Hartline
Jesse Minter
Sheronne Moore
Matt House
Please please please let them pick Campbell, I love chaos
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2022, 10:38:07 PM
Post by: CHONGS on November 28, 2022, 10:57:28 PM
Don't forget perving out on middle school girlsUrban and Hugh Freeze aren't even in the same ball park. Freeze isn't much better than Briles.Yeah, urban had some shady guys as players and got a picture taken of him with a 20 something girls grinding on his leg.
Freeze got his university a 2 year bowl ban for giving out bags (totally legal now) but blamed it on the previous coach....then the previous coach sued him for defamation and they found out freeze had been calling hookers from his ole miss issued cell phone for years.....Not to mention the whole DM'n someone who is suing your university for sexual assault to stick up for the AD
These are different
Post by: nicname on November 29, 2022, 07:50:29 AM
How can you go from this man giving this speech after an interim run (not saying Cadillac Williams should have been brought in), and then turn around and hire a human like Freeze?
Post by: MadCat on November 29, 2022, 07:52:20 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2022, 08:49:07 AM
https://youtu.be/BGkQGPmHO-M
How can you go from this man giving this speech after an interim run (not saying Cadillac Williams should have been brought in), and then turn around and hire a human like Freeze?
It's interesting that they made Cadillac the interim head coach given he wasn't a coordinator nor has he ever been. Cadillac's first year as a RB coach at Auburn his OC was a 29 year old named Kenny Dillingham. Dillingham has just been named the head coach of Arizona State at just 32 years old and 7 years, 5 damn schools in those 7 years. Cadillac has earned the right to be put on a similar track, let's see if that happens.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 29, 2022, 08:49:14 AM
Post by: DQ12 on November 29, 2022, 09:02:25 AM
i really like dave clawson.
Post by: wetwillie on November 29, 2022, 09:07:51 AM
Post by: Skipper44 on November 29, 2022, 09:09:23 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 29, 2022, 09:21:01 AM
They’re saying Williams will be retained on staff.
Why would he want to be on Hugh Freeze's staff?
Post by: Kid In the Hall on November 29, 2022, 09:23:08 AM
They’re saying Williams will be retained on staff.
Why would he want to be on Hugh Freeze's staff?
Access to escorts paid by the state?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 29, 2022, 09:25:54 AM
They’re saying Williams will be retained on staff.
Why would he want to be on Hugh Freeze's staff?
:dunno:
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2022, 09:30:07 AM
someone mentioned dave clawson for stanford. not sure if he'd take that job, but seems at least possible.
i really like dave clawson.
His job is infinitely better than Stanford. I love Stanford, I hope all three of my kids go there, they are not close to being equipped to being able to compete in Power 5 football in 2022. They aren't players in nil, at all, and I can't see that changing anytime soon. They can't take transfers, which is crazy. I heard on the solid verbal that USC football took more transfers for 2022 than Stanford took for their entire university.
They are also not going to pay Clawson or any other current P5 head coach.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 29, 2022, 09:44:54 AM
Post by: wetwillie on November 29, 2022, 09:52:44 AM
Post by: DQ12 on November 29, 2022, 10:14:22 AM
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 29, 2022, 10:18:49 AM
Post by: wetwillie on November 29, 2022, 10:36:59 AM
Post by: chum1 on November 29, 2022, 10:55:39 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on November 29, 2022, 11:55:54 AM
If I was an Iowa State fan, I'd be praying for someone else to hire Campbell.
I don't think that he's as good as they think he is. I also don't think that they'll do any better.
Post by: Kid In the Hall on November 29, 2022, 12:33:32 PM
If I was an Iowa State fan, I'd be praying for someone else to hire Campbell.
I don't think that he's as good as they think he is. I also don't think that they'll do any better.
That's a bingo - look at their history. They've had one coach leave there with a record above .500 in the last 80 years. Arguably, McCarney is their all-time third best coach (behind oscar and Campbell) and he was 56-85 overall and 27-68 in league play (5 bowls in 11 years and one season with more than seven wins).
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 29, 2022, 01:21:56 PM
Post by: KSNimrod on November 29, 2022, 01:24:32 PM
https://twitter.com/bmarcello/status/1597631197630369804
Tell me you're an entitled tone-deaf prick without telling me...
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 29, 2022, 03:34:55 PM
https://julieroys.com/if-liberty-u-football-coach-hugh-freeze-is-repentant-why-doesnt-his-story-check-out/ (https://julieroys.com/if-liberty-u-football-coach-hugh-freeze-is-repentant-why-doesnt-his-story-check-out/)
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According to Steven Godfrey, a senior reporter with SB Nation, Hugh Freeze was hated among fellow college head coaches—not because he called escort services or violated NCAA rules. Freeze committed the “same kind of cuts and cheats” that “real college football powerhouses make consistently,” Godfrey wrote.
The difference was that Freeze “sold the absolute sh-t out of holy rolling—as a recruiting tool, an ethos, and as a marketing tool for his great Rebels campaign.” To rival head coaches and programs, “Freeze was a loathsome archetype: Christian celebrity in public, arrogant cheater in private.”
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 29, 2022, 03:47:47 PM
Hugh Freeze is the dude that invites you over for dinner. Then when you're at his house for dinner he tries to talk you into going to his church. When you decline he never talks to you again. Rinse-repeat :thumbsup:
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2022, 08:18:37 PM
Wasn’t Shaw making over 8 million a year? I think the pay isn’t the problem it’s the ability remain competitive given the constraints.
Reportedly just under 9 mil, but that's after several extensions. They historically have not hired a current fbs coach; they've hired assistants, retirees, or FCS coaches. They have hired 2 sitting major college coaches the last 100 years, ironically enough both Pitt coaches. Pop Warner in 1924 and Walt Harris in. Harris only made it two years and he once had his team punt on 3rd down.
Post by: KCFDcat on December 02, 2022, 08:19:27 AM
Post by: wetwillie on December 02, 2022, 08:28:09 AM
Iowa State fired their OC...I'm sure Messingham is still available
He’s on staff with Bert at Illinois
Post by: MakeItRain on December 02, 2022, 09:10:17 AM
Iowa State fired their OC...I'm sure Messingham is still available
lol, two seasons removed from them calling him the best OC in college football
Post by: wetwillie on December 02, 2022, 09:45:36 AM
Post by: Houstoncat93 on December 02, 2022, 11:18:16 AM
Colorado, Cincy and Stanford look to be the only major ones left. I doubt any of them pull a sitting P5 head coach.
Post by: nicname on December 02, 2022, 11:21:02 AM
Oh man, that's just something you don't see in the South that often.
Hugh Freeze is the dude that invites you over for dinner. Then when you're at his house for dinner he tries to talk you into going to his church. When you decline he never talks to you again. Rinse-repeat :thumbsup:
But not before hitting on your teenage daughter.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 02, 2022, 08:48:49 PM
Nice additionOh man, that's just something you don't see in the South that often.
Hugh Freeze is the dude that invites you over for dinner. Then when you're at his house for dinner he tries to talk you into going to his church. When you decline he never talks to you again. Rinse-repeat :thumbsup:
But not before hitting on your teenage daughter.
Post by: kstater on December 03, 2022, 10:19:48 PM
https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/1598723963068321797?s=20&t=YBGmPm5nvJhytWqOp4hEpQPrimetime to After Dark
Colorado, Cincy and Stanford look to be the only major ones left. I doubt any of them pull a sitting P5 head coach.
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Post by: Spracne on December 03, 2022, 10:21:40 PM
Post by: Pete on December 03, 2022, 10:29:17 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on December 03, 2022, 10:32:36 PM
I was hoping he'd stay and continue to champion HBCU's. :frown:
Yeah, same
Post by: MakeItRain on December 03, 2022, 10:53:50 PM
I was hoping he'd stay and continue to champion HBCU's. :frown:
Yeah, same
He's not really championing HCBUs though, he's been championing Deion. He's garnered attention from people who haven't previously paid attention but other than that he's done nothing but advance Deion's brand.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 03, 2022, 11:08:19 PM
I was hoping he'd stay and continue to champion HBCU's. :frown:
Yeah, same
He's not really championing HCBUs though, he's been championing Deion. He's garnered attention from people who haven't previously paid attention but other than that he's done nothing but advance Deion's brand.
Yeah, I don't see anything wrong with advancing your own brand. That's what college coaches do. If anything, I am glad the facade that he is doing some sort of charity for the HBCUs is going away.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 03, 2022, 11:40:35 PM
I was hoping he'd stay and continue to champion HBCU's. :frown:
Yeah, same
He's not really championing HCBUs though, he's been championing Deion. He's garnered attention from people who haven't previously paid attention but other than that he's done nothing but advance Deion's brand.
Yeah, I don't see anything wrong with advancing your own brand. That's what college coaches do. If anything, I am glad the facade that he is doing some sort of charity for the HBCUs is going away.
Oh there's nothing wrong with him advancing his own brand, not at all, just pointing out that he didn't do anything for the SWAC and I'm not sure he did much for Jackson State University, turned the football team into a wagon though, I don't want to discount that.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 04, 2022, 10:53:04 AM
https://twitter.com/BDunnsports/status/1599208695711207424
Post by: star seed 7 on December 04, 2022, 11:27:46 AM
lol at this answer from Jamey Chudwell, he's perfect for liberty
https://twitter.com/BDunnsports/status/1599208695711207424
:jerk:
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 04, 2022, 04:52:24 PM
lol at this answer from Jamey Chudwell, he's perfect for liberty
https://twitter.com/BDunnsports/status/1599208695711207424
:jerk:
Liberty's paying him $4 mil. :surprised:
Post by: wetwillie on December 04, 2022, 05:08:25 PM
Post by: Houstoncat93 on December 04, 2022, 05:54:17 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 04, 2022, 07:13:00 PM
Post by: ednksu on December 04, 2022, 09:26:46 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 04, 2022, 11:27:43 PM
https://twitter.com/northtexaseagle/status/1599575528578899968
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Man, between him and Gottlieb we here at goEMAW really know how to pick them. I've noticed it's been at while since @Trim has mentioned Amy Button-Renz.
Post by: Trim on December 05, 2022, 12:01:52 AM
https://twitter.com/northtexaseagle/status/1599575528578899968
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Man, between him and Gottlieb we here at goEMAW really know how to pick them. I've noticed it's been at while since @Trim has mentioned Amy Button-Renz.
Close enough.
I'd read a blog entry of winters of some longtime gE'r going on and staying on that alumni association trip all the way through.
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2022, 06:58:08 AM
https://twitter.com/CoachSamz/status/1599749582144970752
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2022, 07:00:18 AM
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2022, 07:04:04 AM
Damn, they did get a sitting P5. Carousel keeps spinning.Kind of a Holgo to Houston move
Post by: konofo on December 05, 2022, 07:26:37 AM
That was B12 to AAC (at the time), an obvious step down. This is ACC to B12, quite the opposite.Damn, they did get a sitting P5. Carousel keeps spinning.Kind of a Holgo to Houston move
kono
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2022, 10:25:12 AM
That was B12 to AAC (at the time), an obvious step down. This is ACC to B12, quite the opposite.Damn, they did get a sitting P5. Carousel keeps spinning.Kind of a Holgo to Houston move
kono
I think he means job reset. Satterfield was definitely not beloved by his fan base, he's only one game above .500 Weird move by Cincinnati.
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2022, 11:19:00 AM
That was B12 to AAC (at the time), an obvious step down. This is ACC to B12, quite the opposite.Damn, they did get a sitting P5. Carousel keeps spinning.Kind of a Holgo to Houston move
kono
I think he means job reset. Satterfield was definitely not beloved by his fan base, he's only one game above .500 Weird move by Cincinnati.
Will Brohm go to UL? Seems like he would want to but their AD is a dumpster fire.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2022, 09:23:52 PM
That was B12 to AAC (at the time), an obvious step down. This is ACC to B12, quite the opposite.Damn, they did get a sitting P5. Carousel keeps spinning.Kind of a Holgo to Houston move
kono
I think he means job reset. Satterfield was definitely not beloved by his fan base, he's only one game above .500 Weird move by Cincinnati.
Will Brohm go to UL? Seems like he would want to but their AD is a dumpster fire.
Those rumors have been there for a while. I don't know why he'd want to leave Purdue for Louisville but it's home and maybe it's easier to get players there, dunno.
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2022, 09:27:28 PM
That was B12 to AAC (at the time), an obvious step down. This is ACC to B12, quite the opposite.Damn, they did get a sitting P5. Carousel keeps spinning.Kind of a Holgo to Houston move
kono
I think he means job reset. Satterfield was definitely not beloved by his fan base, he's only one game above .500 Weird move by Cincinnati.
Will Brohm go to UL? Seems like he would want to but their AD is a dumpster fire.
Those rumors have been there for a while. I don't know why he'd want to leave Purdue for Louisville but it's home and maybe it's easier to get players there, dunno.
I can't imagine the location trumps big 10 money but yeah who knows
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2022, 10:19:18 PM
That was B12 to AAC (at the time), an obvious step down. This is ACC to B12, quite the opposite.Damn, they did get a sitting P5. Carousel keeps spinning.Kind of a Holgo to Houston move
kono
I think he means job reset. Satterfield was definitely not beloved by his fan base, he's only one game above .500 Weird move by Cincinnati.
Will Brohm go to UL? Seems like he would want to but their AD is a dumpster fire.
Those rumors have been there for a while. I don't know why he'd want to leave Purdue for Louisville but it's home and maybe it's easier to get players there, dunno.
I can't imagine the location trumps big 10 money but yeah who knows
That money doesn't make Purdue any less rural Indiana. They also can't use any institutional money for NIL. I don't imagine that Purdue has a significantly higher nil collective war chest than Louisville.
Post by: mocat on December 07, 2022, 08:53:35 AM
https://twitter.com/AuburnFootball/status/1600137546175983618?s=20&t=e7HULvwiFpLMr3dimFeoug
Post by: KCFDcat on December 07, 2022, 11:17:50 AM
My entire extended family, including my parents, went to Purdue (I grew a massive Purdue fan). They’re all certain Klieman is high on the list there. Don’t think he’d be interested, but you never know.
Post by: wetwillie on December 07, 2022, 12:12:00 PM
Post by: Woogy on December 07, 2022, 12:42:26 PM
Sounds like Brohm is gone to Louisville. 6mm/yr. Purdue either decided he wasn’t worth that, or was confident they can hire someone better.
My entire extended family, including my parents, went to Purdue (I grew a massive Purdue fan). They’re all certain Klieman is high on the list there. Don’t think he’d be interested, but you never know.
Interesting. Half the wife's fam are Purdue grads, and BiL is a big (bball mostly) fan. That would be a pretty favorable hire in his eyes; be interesting to see what any of the rest of the fam thinks.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 07, 2022, 12:56:16 PM
Post by: catastrophe on December 07, 2022, 01:05:09 PM
Sounds like Brohm is gone to Louisville. 6mm/yr. Purdue either decided he wasn’t worth that, or was confident they can hire someone better.Would be interesting. Kind of crazy that since Snyder 1.0 we never had a FB coach who was a serious flight risk. Kleiman has a strong AD relationship and could be positioned to sit atop the Big 12 for a while, but agree with WW that there will be salaries we just can’t match if that’s what he’s after.
My entire extended family, including my parents, went to Purdue (I grew a massive Purdue fan). They’re all certain Klieman is high on the list there. Don’t think he’d be interested, but you never know.
Post by: KCFDcat on December 07, 2022, 01:18:22 PM
Sounds like Brohm is gone to Louisville. 6mm/yr. Purdue either decided he wasn’t worth that, or was confident they can hire someone better.Would be interesting. Kind of crazy that since Snyder 1.0 we never had a FB coach who was a serious flight risk. Kleiman has a strong AD relationship and could be positioned to sit atop the Big 12 for a while, but agree with WW that there will be salaries we just can’t match if that’s what he’s after.
My entire extended family, including my parents, went to Purdue (I grew a massive Purdue fan). They’re all certain Klieman is high on the list there. Don’t think he’d be interested, but you never know.
I think we'll get his next contract to average 6m/yr. If a school from the big 10 wants to pay him 8+ then yeah I'm not sure we'll be able to match that. But, if the rumors are true he only wants to coach for another 5ish years, I doubt he wants to spend those 5 years building another program. I dunno, maybe he loves doing that. If I was him I'd make another 30+ million here, try to win as many big 12 championships as I could, and get my own damn statue outside the stadium.
Post by: catastrophe on December 07, 2022, 01:21:06 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 07, 2022, 01:34:33 PM
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As we made pretty clear, head coach Chris Klieman was a very wanted man by Nebraska during the search. When the Huskers were turned away initially by Matt Rhule and made it a national search, the Kansas State coach was at the top of the list.
Multiple sources, from inside and outside the program, believe that he was likely the number one candidate for Trev Alberts when he realized Rhule was not attainable at first. However, that does not mean that meaningful conversations took place.
In fact, they didn’t. While Nebraska was prepared to offer him a significant contract, Klieman and his representation made it very clear from the onset that they had no interest in the job in Lincoln, and that was due to all the blood, sweat and tears he poured in to the K-State job for four years.
The below video illustrates that. And Klieman made that clear to those around him as well. He has every intention of making the Kansas State job his last one in college football. They are very excited for bowl prep, to open up the new practice facility and to finish the recruiting cycle with a bang.
Post by: michigancat on December 07, 2022, 01:36:27 PM
QuoteAs we made pretty clear, head coach Chris Klieman was a very wanted man by Nebraska during the search. When the Huskers were turned away initially by Matt Rhule and made it a national search, the Kansas State coach was at the top of the list.
Multiple sources, from inside and outside the program, believe that he was likely the number one candidate for Trev Alberts when he realized Rhule was not attainable at first. However, that does not mean that meaningful conversations took place.
In fact, they didn’t. While Nebraska was prepared to offer him a significant contract, Klieman and his representation made it very clear from the onset that they had no interest in the job in Lincoln, and that was due to all the blood, sweat and tears he poured in to the K-State job for four years.
The below video illustrates that. And Klieman made that clear to those around him as well. He has every intention of making the Kansas State job his last one in college football. They are very excited for bowl prep, to open up the new practice facility and to finish the recruiting cycle with a bang.
listen I'll believe it when I see it
Incidentally Klieman is a month and a half younger than Coach Prime
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 07, 2022, 01:44:03 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 07, 2022, 01:50:21 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 07, 2022, 02:01:32 PM
I'd like to do whatever we can to keep this staff together as much as possible for the next few years to see what they can build off of.
Post by: KCFDcat on December 07, 2022, 02:04:37 PM
I mean, if we can afford to pay $6 million, we can afford $8 million. You guys are acting like Purdue is paying $20 million or something.
Likely yes, if Gene can raise the money they’ll pay him pretty much anything. No idea how the new TV contract will affect the budget, I’m not the resident budget guy here.
Also, I absolutely do not think Purdue is a threat to steal CK. Was just relaying what some random family members mentioned to me today, do not think they have any inside info on this.
Post by: Woogy on December 07, 2022, 02:15:58 PM
I hasn’t heard that rumor. If true (and good on him if so) then I think he’s ours for the remainder. With a 12 team playoff on the way, Kleiman’s best chance of getting a natty before he retires is at Cats U.
This is a great point, along with this *is* his program now. The overall environment seems to have a pretty good vibe and looks to be "a place to be" fball/bball wise for a while at least.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 07, 2022, 09:55:01 PM
I mean, if we can afford to pay $6 million, we can afford $8 million. You guys are acting like Purdue is paying $20 million or something.
If he truly wants to stay here, he isn't going to ask for $8 million for his salary because he would want money for assistants and staff.
Post by: Katpappy on December 07, 2022, 10:49:10 PM
I mean, if we can afford to pay $6 million, we can afford $8 million. You guys are acting like Purdue is paying $20 million or something.
Likely yes, if Gene can raise the money they’ll pay him pretty much anything. No idea how the new TV contract will affect the budget, I’m not the resident budget guy here.
Also, I absolutely do not think Purdue is a threat to steal CK. Was just relaying what some random family members mentioned to me today, do not think they have any inside info on this.
They are just rough ridin' with you, knowing it would rile you up. :thumbsup:
Post by: Katpappy on December 07, 2022, 10:53:24 PM
I mean, if we can afford to pay $6 million, we can afford $8 million. You guys are acting like Purdue is paying $20 million or something.
If he truly wants to stay here, he isn't going to ask for $8 million for his salary because he would want money for assistants and staff.
Sony Dykes is in the process of an extension with annual payments to be the highest in the conference, which is 7.5 million paid to Gundry at OSU.
Post by: wetwillie on December 08, 2022, 05:23:46 AM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on December 08, 2022, 08:26:40 AM
Post by: mocat on December 08, 2022, 08:36:50 AM
We don’t know what Aranda makes, but it could very easily be more than Gundy. KU just gave Leipold 5 million a year so Klieman is going to get 6M at a minimum.
Gundy has been at OSU for 18 seasons, and he has the exact same amount of B12 titles as Kleiman
Post by: mocat on December 08, 2022, 08:40:11 AM
We don’t know what Aranda makes, but it could very easily be more than Gundy. KU just gave Leipold 5 million a year so Klieman is going to get 6M at a minimum.
Gundy has been at OSU for 18 seasons, and he has the exact same amount of B12 titles as Kleiman
and also exact same number of wins against Oklahoma (3)
Post by: Woogy on December 08, 2022, 09:01:12 AM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on December 08, 2022, 09:12:43 AM
We don’t know what Aranda makes, but it could very easily be more than Gundy. KU just gave Leipold 5 million a year so Klieman is going to get 6M at a minimum.
Gundy has been at OSU for 18 seasons, and he has the exact same amount of B12 titles as Kleiman
and also exact same number of wins against Oklahoma (3)
Absolutely no way that could possibly be true
Post by: ChiComCat on December 08, 2022, 09:24:05 AM
Post by: wetwillie on December 08, 2022, 09:31:23 AM
We don’t know what Aranda makes, but it could very easily be more than Gundy. KU just gave Leipold 5 million a year so Klieman is going to get 6M at a minimum.
Gundy has been at OSU for 18 seasons, and he has the exact same amount of B12 titles as Kleiman
LHC Bill Snyder coached for 25 years and only got two of them suckers and he is in the Hall of Fame!
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 08, 2022, 11:38:47 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 08, 2022, 12:18:20 PM
Does he have any ties to Purdue? Their fans seem oddly confident he would seriously consider it. I know they're not a bad program but they are meh city, imo
No. These mediocre Big 10 and SEC programs have a very inflated sense of what they are because all of the media hype and self-fellating. It's a lateral move and they aren't going to pay him any more than we would. They just lost their coach to Louisville but they think they are going to take K-State's coach, it's an insane level of delusion.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on December 08, 2022, 01:17:42 PM
Does he have any ties to Purdue? Their fans seem oddly confident he would seriously consider it. I know they're not a bad program but they are meh city, imo
No. These mediocre Big 10 and SEC programs have a very inflated sense of what they are because all of the media hype and self-fellating. It's a lateral move and they aren't going to pay him any more than we would. They just lost their coach to Louisville but they think they are going to take K-State's coach, it's an insane level of delusion.
OK, makes sense. I don't think it's smart to puff out the chests too much and laugh in their faces on twitter about it, as it seems like its tempting the gods. I will continue to laugh at them behind their backs tho
Post by: michigancat on December 08, 2022, 01:55:07 PM
Post by: mocat on December 08, 2022, 02:30:06 PM
We don’t know what Aranda makes, but it could very easily be more than Gundy. KU just gave Leipold 5 million a year so Klieman is going to get 6M at a minimum.
Gundy has been at OSU for 18 seasons, and he has the exact same amount of B12 titles as Kleiman
and also exact same number of wins against Oklahoma (3)
Absolutely no way that could possibly be true
it really is bananas
Post by: ednksu on December 08, 2022, 02:30:17 PM
Surprised you didn't end up as a coordinator somewhere (NFL) already
Post by: WillieWatanabe on December 08, 2022, 03:43:41 PM
Current HC:
Dino Babers
Troy Calhoun
Jason Candle
Kane Wommack
Current AC:
Todd Monken
Jim Leonhard
Herrone Moore
Ryan Walters
Brian Hartline
Wildcards:
Kevin Sumlin
Dan Mullen
https://theathletic.com/3980562/2022/12/07/purdue-coach-candidates-jeff-brohm/
Post by: Kid In the Hall on December 08, 2022, 03:58:19 PM
ftr, Feldman has the following candidates on his list
Current HC:
Dino Babers
Troy Calhoun
Jason Candle
Kane Wommack
Current AC:
Todd Monken
Jim Leonhard
Herrone Moore
Ryan Walters
Brian Hartline
Wildcards:
Kevin Sumlin
Dan Mullen
https://theathletic.com/3980562/2022/12/07/purdue-coach-candidates-jeff-brohm/
Leonhard would be fun for all sorts of reasons
Post by: Pete on December 08, 2022, 04:01:25 PM
Frank Martin has shown we can lose a coach to a place like Purdue. But I think Klieman and Gene have a slightly better relationship than Frank and Currie.Excellent points
Post by: Skipper44 on December 08, 2022, 04:02:20 PM
he would complete the quadrangleftr, Feldman has the following candidates on his list
Current HC:
Dino Babers
Troy Calhoun
Jason Candle
Kane Wommack
Current AC:
Todd Monken
Jim Leonhard
Herrone Moore
Ryan Walters
Brian Hartline
Wildcards:
Kevin Sumlin
Dan Mullen
https://theathletic.com/3980562/2022/12/07/purdue-coach-candidates-jeff-brohm/
Leonhard would be fun for all sorts of reasons
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 09, 2022, 09:49:06 AM
Frank Martin has shown we can lose a coach to a place like Purdue. But I think Klieman and Gene have a slightly better relationship than Frank and Currie.Excellent points
I think there was pressure coming from some large doners that didn`t like Frank's antics. Frank said "adios".
Post by: MakeItRain on December 09, 2022, 11:12:37 AM
Frank Martin has shown we can lose a coach to a place like Purdue. But I think Klieman and Gene have a slightly better relationship than Frank and Currie.Excellent points
I think there was pressure coming from some large doners that didn`t like Frank's antics. Frank said "adios".
The situations aren't even remotely close. Frank went to South Carolina because of things having nothing to do with on field items, money, or resources. If Chris Klieman had a contentious relationship with his athletic director and a segment of the donor base, no one would be surprised if he left for Purdue. What makes this scenario laughable is because he has a low pressure job, which he's achieved success, with a boss who he has a wonderful relationship with and a fan and donor base who universally loves him. He's got what seems to be a pro quarterback returning, and seemingly a generational quarterback in his best recruiting class. He wouldn't be making more money and he wouldn't be getting better facilities or a better recruiting base.
The Purdue thing was laughable and made no sense because, right now, there's no reason for him to take that job, just like Frank wouldn't have taken the South Carolina job in April 2010.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 09, 2022, 09:10:41 PM
Frank Martin has shown we can lose a coach to a place like Purdue. But I think Klieman and Gene have a slightly better relationship than Frank and Currie.Excellent points
I think there was pressure coming from some large doners that didn`t like Frank's antics. Frank said "adios".
The situations aren't even remotely close. Frank went to South Carolina because of things having nothing to do with on field items, money, or resources. If Chris Klieman had a contentious relationship with his athletic director and a segment of the donor base, no one would be surprised if he left for Purdue. What makes this scenario laughable is because he has a low pressure job, which he's achieved success, with a boss who he has a wonderful relationship with and a fan and donor base who universally loves him. He's got what seems to be a pro quarterback returning, and seemingly a generational quarterback in his best recruiting class. He wouldn't be making more money and he wouldn't be getting better facilities or a better recruiting base.
The Purdue thing was laughable and made no sense because, right now, there's no reason for him to take that job, just like Frank wouldn't have taken the South Carolina job in April 2010.
Klieman is the prefect fit for KSU and the donors, they love him and will pay to keep him as long as he produces min 8-9 wins a year. I believe him when he says this is his last coaching gig, and how could you have a better situation than he has here as long as the mustang is AD.
Post by: star seed 7 on December 09, 2022, 09:16:02 PM
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Post by: wiley on December 11, 2022, 09:14:45 PM
The rumor mill on social media and reddit is extremely negative for Leach. Hoping for some good news.Seems to be the person people are referencing for updates (mostly behind the 247 paywall though).
https://twitter.com/robbiefaulk247/status/1602127375722061826?s=20&t=7W4KsBvgoljUop6I0VCWFQ
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Post by: nicname on December 11, 2022, 09:56:40 PM
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=13634.msg312960#msg312960
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=10126.msg2169801#msg2169801
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=9721.msg207155#msg207155
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=6970.msg163194#msg163194
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=9185.msg200640#msg200640
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=9185.msg200640#msg200640
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=8632.msg694255#msg694255
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=9620.msg1835056#msg1835056
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=13964.msg323322#msg323322
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=16478.msg390875#msg390875
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=6428.msg140565#msg140565
You've been a bulwark of gE conversation.
Post by: wiley on December 11, 2022, 09:57:23 PM
An argument against mike leach right now.Definitely something that needs to be considered
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Post by: pissclams on December 11, 2022, 10:14:53 PM
Post by: ednksu on December 11, 2022, 10:33:57 PM
The rumor mill on social media and reddit is extremely negative for Leach. Hoping for some good news.Seems to be the person people are referencing for updates (mostly behind the 247 paywall though).
https://twitter.com/robbiefaulk247/status/1602127375722061826?s=20&t=7W4KsBvgoljUop6I0VCWFQ
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Weird to see the people with sources and claims of details. Lile that's fine for finding flight tail numbers and speculating on cruits. But the I live a block away from the hospital and know people who know people or I know things but HIPPA.... Gmafb.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 11, 2022, 10:37:40 PM
The rumor mill on social media and reddit is extremely negative for Leach. Hoping for some good news.Seems to be the person people are referencing for updates (mostly behind the 247 paywall though).
https://twitter.com/robbiefaulk247/status/1602127375722061826?s=20&t=7W4KsBvgoljUop6I0VCWFQ
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Weird to see the people with sources and claims of details. Lile that's fine for finding flight tail numbers and speculating on cruits. But the I live a block away from the hospital and know people who know people or I know things but HIPPA.... Gmafb.
agreed, it's weird that people just can't shut the eff up and feel the need to be first about insignificant crap
Post by: deputy dawg on December 13, 2022, 10:47:45 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2022, 11:52:00 AM
Does he have any ties to Purdue? Their fans seem oddly confident he would seriously consider it. I know they're not a bad program but they are meh city, imo
No. These mediocre Big 10 and SEC programs have a very inflated sense of what they are because all of the media hype and self-fellating. It's a lateral move and they aren't going to pay him any more than we would. They just lost their coach to Louisville but they think they are going to take K-State's coach, it's an insane level of delusion.
OK, makes sense. I don't think it's smart to puff out the chests too much and laugh in their faces on twitter about it, as it seems like its tempting the gods. I will continue to laugh at them behind their backs tho
These bozos ended up having to hire the Illinois DC :lol: no wonder their bloggers were creaming themselves over Klieman. Could you imagine us hiring Iowa State's DC as our head coach :Yuck:
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Post by: pissclams on December 31, 2022, 07:43:19 PM
Sonny Dykes to some SEC team sometime.would be incredibly dumb move on his part because of exactly where he has his team rn
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Post by: ben ji on January 04, 2023, 07:00:31 PM
how long were andy ludwig and Rex Ryan at K-State?
Never knew it Rex was at Kstate for a quick second. Looks like 1 month
https://web.archive.org/web/20121009164412/http://cjonline.com/stories/020999/cat_ryanravens.shtml
Post by: WillieWatanabe on January 05, 2023, 08:40:20 AM
Post by: Skipper44 on January 05, 2023, 08:46:44 AM
holy crap, didn't realize Petrino had a Head Coach gig. Didn't this happen to UNLV before? Maybe basketball?Chris Beard took the UNLV hoops job for a minute before going to TT
Post by: michigancat on January 05, 2023, 08:48:22 AM
holy crap, didn't realize Petrino had a Head Coach gig. Didn't this happen to UNLV before? Maybe basketball?
Chris Beard
And to be fair Petrino was only OC at UNLV. He was head coach at Missouri State (and actually played a game at Arkansas this year!)
Post by: ChiComCat on January 05, 2023, 08:52:32 AM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on January 05, 2023, 08:57:30 AM
holy crap, didn't realize Petrino had a Head Coach gig. Didn't this happen to UNLV before? Maybe basketball?
Chris Beard
And to be fair Petrino was only OC at UNLV. He was head coach at Missouri State (and actually played a game at Arkansas this year!)
ah i'm dumb. thanks
Post by: wetwillie on January 05, 2023, 09:38:05 AM
Post by: Pete on January 05, 2023, 09:46:11 AM
If harbaugh takes an NFL gig who is going to Michigan?They should got after Matt Rhule or Urban Meyer. :fatty:
Post by: wiley on January 05, 2023, 10:00:13 AM
If harbaugh takes an NFL gig who is going to Michigan?Lance
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If harbaugh takes an NFL gig who is going to Michigan?Lance
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Wait... is THIS what hawk fans mean when they keep saying "they" are going to the Big 10? I think I've been misunderstanding.
Post by: Pete on January 05, 2023, 11:30:31 AM
Would be super cosmically strange to have almost landed Harbaugh as the HC of the Jayhawks, only to later lose a promising coach to Michigan as Harbaugh’s successorIf harbaugh takes an NFL gig who is going to Michigan?Lance
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Agreed. Also, there is absolutely no chance that they would entertain Lance for HC.Would be super cosmically strange to have almost landed Harbaugh as the HC of the Jayhawks, only to later lose a promising coach to Michigan as Harbaugh’s successorIf harbaugh takes an NFL gig who is going to Michigan?Lance
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Post by: wiley on January 18, 2023, 06:30:46 PM
Arkansas finally push him out?I feel like Arkansas’s post season/offseason has been a borderline train wreck, outside of the liberty bowl.
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Post by: Katpappy on January 19, 2023, 09:58:59 PM
I figured Kendall would get a HC job by now but the stink must still be on him
It is. I listened to a 365 podcast today about TCU hiring him and they had a TCU sports journalist saying he's the only one left on Art's staff that can't shake it due to his last name.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 20, 2023, 08:23:33 AM
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Briles was, however, named in a 2017 Title IX lawsuit which alleged he told a Dallas-area recruit: “Do you like white women? Because we have a lot of them at Baylor and they love football players.”
And according to a 2017 piece written by former Houston Chronicle columnist Jenny Dial Creech, three Houston-area players who went to other programs said Briles told them during their recruitment that female students at Baylor were “very available” to football players.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/college/article/Kendal-Briles-TCU-Baylor-scandal-17729029.php
Seems like there might be a little more to it than just his last name.
Post by: ChiComCat on January 20, 2023, 08:25:40 AM
QuoteBriles was, however, named in a 2017 Title IX lawsuit which alleged he told a Dallas-area recruit: “Do you like white women? Because we have a lot of them at Baylor and they love football players.”
And according to a 2017 piece written by former Houston Chronicle columnist Jenny Dial Creech, three Houston-area players who went to other programs said Briles told them during their recruitment that female students at Baylor were “very available” to football players.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/college/article/Kendal-Briles-TCU-Baylor-scandal-17729029.php
Seems like there might be a little more to it than just his last name.
There was a sexual assault survivor they brought it to talk to athletes that tweeted out some pretty despicable interactions with Kendal too.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on January 20, 2023, 08:58:06 AM
https://twitter.com/TCUFootball/status/1616438832664301569
Post by: wetwillie on January 20, 2023, 09:03:00 AM
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 20, 2023, 09:10:31 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 20, 2023, 11:32:27 AM
Also I don't really have a problem with a recruiter telling kids that the sheltered baptist chicks love to eff football players.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 20, 2023, 03:11:54 PM
Associate Head Coach too? geeze
https://twitter.com/TCUFootball/status/1616438832664301569
Confirmation of his love of white women
Post by: muqluk on January 20, 2023, 04:46:38 PM
Post by: Katpappy on January 20, 2023, 05:56:07 PM
I'm sure the lord has forgiven him for his sins and is now leading an exemplary personal and professional life.
Also I don't really have a problem with a recruiter telling kids that the sheltered baptist chicks love to eff football players.
Were your strokes soft and gentle or hard and aggressive while having those thoughts? :Booty Shake: :Yikes: :U R STUPID:
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 23, 2023, 02:46:20 PM
I'm sure the lord has forgiven him for his sins and is now leading an exemplary personal and professional life.
Also I don't really have a problem with a recruiter telling kids that the sheltered baptist chicks love to eff football players.
It's a very cringey line, made a whole lot worse by the rape scandal.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 23, 2023, 03:37:00 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 23, 2023, 09:46:05 PM
The Christian school rich kids both K-12 and college are usually partying pretty hard. Parents just (often) think they’re not.
I worked with a lot of Mormons in AZ right out of college and they were def the biggest partiers with everything, 'shrooms, weed, coke, alcohol, whatever. Some went to BYU, but most ASU.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 24, 2023, 01:33:34 PM
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Post by: michigancat on January 24, 2023, 03:30:18 PM
Not that it wasn't already obvious, but when Gundy feels the need to pluck a career I-AA/D-2 coach for a Co-DC role with Joe Bob, that pretty much says it all - both with respect to the status of his program and for Joe Bob's prospects to move up the coaching ladder.
to be fair Gundy has done this before (when the program was seemingly in much better shape)
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21862192/oklahoma-state-cowboys-mike-gundy-offensive-coordinator-internet
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 24, 2023, 03:32:31 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on January 24, 2023, 05:11:07 PM
They might be the worst team in the Big 12 next year.
IDK about that but they're in awful shape on the outside looking in. I seriously thought after last season (the 2021 one) that OSU was going to
1) Be back in Arlighton
2) Be the team in the Big 12 most likely to go to the CFP
3) Be the team that would essentially lead the way in the Nu Big 12.
None of those things look likely, and if anything we (US!) seem to be the one most poised after TCU briles'd themselves up to take that step.
Post by: Pete on January 25, 2023, 09:53:39 AM
I am very, very cool with the Cats being an annual contender for top 4.
Post by: Shooter Jones on January 25, 2023, 02:02:20 PM
They might be the worst team in the Big 12 next year.
IDK about that but they're in awful shape on the outside looking in. I seriously thought after last season (the 2021 one) that OSU was going to
1) Be back in Arlighton
2) Be the team in the Big 12 most likely to go to the CFP
3) Be the team that would essentially lead the way in the Nu Big 12.
None of those things look likely, and if anything we (US!) seem to be the one most poised after TCU briles'd themselves up to take that step.
Also kind of scary think about how much a seemingly steady program can change in just a year these days.
Post by: michigancat on January 25, 2023, 02:50:50 PM
They might be the worst team in the Big 12 next year.
IDK about that but they're in awful shape on the outside looking in. I seriously thought after last season (the 2021 one) that OSU was going to
1) Be back in Arlighton
2) Be the team in the Big 12 most likely to go to the CFP
3) Be the team that would essentially lead the way in the Nu Big 12.
None of those things look likely, and if anything we (US!) seem to be the one most poised after TCU briles'd themselves up to take that step.
Also kind of scary think about how much a seemingly steady program can change in just a year these days.
I think it was probably lingering a while but I'm not surprised at all things have gone this way after Gundy claimed that Newsmax just spits facts during the George Floyd summer
Post by: wetwillie on January 25, 2023, 03:42:44 PM
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Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 25, 2023, 06:29:14 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 25, 2023, 07:48:59 PM
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Post by: Hurricane Cat on January 25, 2023, 08:33:03 PM
Kendall wanted to leave arkansas because pitman would overrule him on offense calls and he was frustrated there. Didn’t exactly like Pittman. Looked at miss st and the two really considered each other but he apparently decided on tcu. There is good history between dykes and the briles family. Also and this I didn’t know. The OU offensive coordinater (Libby) is married to Kendall’s sister. And that’s been your Kendall briles minute with Rick Daris.
:thumbsup: minute well spent!
Post by: chum1 on January 25, 2023, 11:13:04 PM
Post by: Winters on January 26, 2023, 10:50:39 AM
if this week’s KBM left your jaw on the floor, just wait until next week’s. I heard it’s a real doozy, and I, for one, can’t waitThe hits never stop on gE.com
Post by: WillieWatanabe on January 30, 2023, 04:22:28 PM
https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1620183678004641806
Post by: Winters on January 30, 2023, 04:30:14 PM
well crap:frown:
https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1620183678004641806
Post by: wetwillie on January 30, 2023, 05:00:42 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 30, 2023, 08:10:21 PM
Post by: TaqMan on January 30, 2023, 08:13:45 PM
Can our wide receiver situation get worse with him leaving?
Well, apparently we've had a running backs coach teaching our wideouts this whole time so that might explain a lot.
Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 31, 2023, 02:52:16 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 31, 2023, 03:09:02 PM
Call Jordy
This would be amazing. Imagine the recruiting......
Post by: MakeItRain on January 31, 2023, 03:24:43 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 31, 2023, 03:28:15 PM
As far as I can tell, no major program is looking for an OC right now, so lets go get Josh Gaddis and make him a WR coach.
I just remembered that Michigan fired their OC for hacking into people's email accounts from the damn football complex.
Post by: wetwillie on January 31, 2023, 03:57:51 PM
As far as I can tell, no major program is looking for an OC right now, so lets go get Josh Gaddis and make him a WR coach.
I just remembered that Michigan fired their OC for hacking into people's email accounts from the damn football complex.
Why would we want that guy when Stanton Weber is available?
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 02, 2023, 10:53:29 AM
if this week’s KBM left your jaw on the floor, just wait until next week’s. I heard it’s a real doozy, and I, for one, can’t wait
:impatient:
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 02, 2023, 04:49:53 PM
if this week’s KBM left your jaw on the floor, just wait until next week’s. I heard it’s a real doozy, and I, for one, can’t wait
:impatient:
i think i had a Killer Bowel Movement (KBM) as i was waiting with bated breath for this week's KBM.
Post by: TheHamburglar on February 07, 2023, 11:09:58 AM
Post by: Katpappy on February 07, 2023, 06:47:43 PM
Post by: Justwin on February 07, 2023, 10:28:33 PM
This Brian Ferentz contract is thing is the best. Average 25ppg & get a bonus. Average 24.9ppg & get fired.
Iowa really wants to run up the score in their pud non-con games.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 09, 2023, 01:35:19 PM
Post by: wetwillie on February 09, 2023, 01:39:40 PM
Post by: wiley on February 13, 2023, 01:56:36 PM
Matthew Middleton?
Post by: Shooter Jones on February 13, 2023, 02:05:13 PM
https://gousfbulls.com/news/2023/1/3/matthew-middleton-named-wide-receivers-coach-for-usf-football.aspx (https://gousfbulls.com/news/2023/1/3/matthew-middleton-named-wide-receivers-coach-for-usf-football.aspx)
Post by: 'taterblast on February 13, 2023, 02:19:32 PM
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Post by: wiley on July 11, 2023, 12:50:52 PM
Pat Fitzgerald is outRumors Mike Kafka might be #1 on the list
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Post by: MakeItRain on July 11, 2023, 12:54:42 PM
Pat Fitzgerald is outRumors Mike Kafka might be #1 on the list
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Seems lazy but I guess timing is a real issue here
Post by: Katpappy on July 11, 2023, 09:51:59 PM
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Post by: deputy dawg on July 13, 2023, 12:24:50 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on July 13, 2023, 01:11:31 PM
I read somewhere that Klieman and Lance Lightpole are on NW's radar....only place i've seen that is Andy Staples saying it due to it being a Big 2 opening.
Post by: wetwillie on July 13, 2023, 04:37:07 PM
Post by: michigancat on July 13, 2023, 08:36:02 PM
It's like people forget about Indiana's coaching search
purdue?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 13, 2023, 11:43:28 PM
I read somewhere that Klieman and Lance Lightpole are on NW's radar....only place i've seen that is Andy Staples saying it due to it being a Big 2 opening.
I hate him, such a cfb elitist prick
Post by: WillieWatanabe on July 14, 2023, 08:42:52 AM
I read somewhere that Klieman and Lance Lightpole are on NW's radar....only place i've seen that is Andy Staples saying it due to it being a Big 2 opening.
I hate him, such a cfb elitist prick
been more annoying since he lost weight
Post by: wetwillie on November 12, 2023, 02:13:38 PM
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Post by: Spracne on November 12, 2023, 09:21:31 PM
eff, if a sane person were leading aTm’s coaching search they would be looking to hire someone who can just flat out coach, and who gives a crap what their record is on recruiting. Pay crap money and dare them to make you extend them.
Saw a tweet earlier floating Klieman as 1 of like 5 candidates. Too lazy to go find it.
Post by: cfbandyman on November 13, 2023, 04:49:25 AM
Post by: I_have_purplewood on November 13, 2023, 08:23:54 AM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on November 13, 2023, 08:34:20 AM
eff, if a sane person were leading aTm’s coaching search they would be looking to hire someone who can just flat out coach, and who gives a crap what their record is on recruiting. Pay crap money and dare them to make you extend them.
Saw a tweet earlier floating Klieman as 1 of like 5 candidates. Too lazy to go find it.
LL was in several lists as well.
besides becoming rich, idk why anyone outside of SEC types would want that job
Post by: MakeItRain on November 13, 2023, 08:48:48 AM
Post by: michigancat on November 13, 2023, 08:52:16 AM
Three P4 jobs open with two weeks left in the regular season, there's going to be at least one, Arkansas, added for sure. Gotta think Baylor gonna happen too. This is shaping up to be a wild carousel year.
Saturday I couldn't stop thinking about how Shapen came in and outplayed 6th year skylar thompson and then went on to when the dr. pepper. wild shift there
Post by: MakeItRain on November 13, 2023, 09:05:15 AM
Three P4 jobs open with two weeks left in the regular season, there's going to be at least one, Arkansas, added for sure. Gotta think Baylor gonna happen too. This is shaping up to be a wild carousel year.
Saturday I couldn't stop thinking about how Shapen came in and outplayed 6th year skylar thompson and then went on to when the dr. pepper. wild shift there
I was reading Baylor twitter, surprisingly civil BTW, on Saturday and they attribute Aranda's early success to Rhule's players and they said he hasn't recruited or developed anyone good since he's been there. Also while listening to one of our postgame podcasts they said going into the game on Saturday Baylor had 17 starts by true freshmen on the offensive line, the rest of the conference has a combined 3.
The last time I saw such a disjointed coaching performance in person was right before Kliff was fired in 2018. They came to a cold ass BSFS with no cold weather gear and his team didn't show up against a shitty K-State team.
Post by: cfbandyman on November 13, 2023, 09:13:00 AM
eff, if a sane person were leading aTm’s coaching search they would be looking to hire someone who can just flat out coach, and who gives a crap what their record is on recruiting. Pay crap money and dare them to make you extend them.
Saw a tweet earlier floating Klieman as 1 of like 5 candidates. Too lazy to go find it.
LL was in several lists as well.
besides becoming rich, idk why anyone outside of SEC types would want that job
Rich is the answer. They are a slot machine that always pays out. I can't blame anyone wanting so much money for doing nothing. Who cares, those dumb effers will forever be chasing what near Bryant gave them for a few years decades ago. Eff them.
Post by: ChiComCat on November 13, 2023, 09:50:27 AM
Post by: deputy dawg on November 13, 2023, 09:57:58 AM
eff, if a sane person were leading aTm’s coaching search they would be looking to hire someone who can just flat out coach, and who gives a crap what their record is on recruiting. Pay crap money and dare them to make you extend them.
Doesn't that fit the profile of Lance Lightpole and Klieman?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 13, 2023, 10:20:36 AM
LL and Klieman are not sexy enough for a top tier job. Both would be more likely to picked off by a traditionally frisky but mid-SEC or B10 job. Nebraska (if not a dumpster fire), Michigan State (if not a dumpster fire), Arkansas, and Wisconsin are the ones that I could see going for them if available. Other B10 or SEC jobs are too good, too delusional, or too shitty to hire them.
The Jimbo hire was outside of the norm for A&M. I do think they will at least try to hire a Klieman, Leopold, Elko program builder type. Also no idea why no one is mentioning Jamey Chadwell, but he's definitely going to be a P4 head coach in 2024.
Post by: wetwillie on November 13, 2023, 10:31:44 AM
Post by: catastrophe on November 13, 2023, 10:32:04 AM
LL and Klieman are not sexy enough for a top tier job. Both would be more likely to picked off by a traditionally frisky but mid-SEC or B10 job. Nebraska (if not a dumpster fire), Michigan State (if not a dumpster fire), Arkansas, and Wisconsin are the ones that I could see going for them if available. Other B10 or SEC jobs are too good, too delusional, or too shitty to hire them.
The Jimbo hire was outside of the norm for A&M. I do think they will at least try to hire a Klieman, Leopold, Elko program builder type. Also no idea why no one is mentioning Jamey Chadwell, but he's definitely going to be a P4 head coach in 2024.
It seemed pretty in the norm for me. Before Sumlin (who I would argue was more about being the hottest name at the time rather than a "program builder") they hired an NFL coach for goodness sake.
Post by: catastrophe on November 13, 2023, 10:36:35 AM
Klieman couldn't handle any of the smoke at A&M, he barely functions here.
The A&M job is very attractive to established coaches who want to cash in an early retirement. Otherwise it's hard to imagine anyone with a bunch of experience wanting to coach a team that somehow thinks it's always a year or two away from a national title while simultaneously being mostly irrelevant for the better part of 20 years.
Post by: CNS on November 13, 2023, 01:51:08 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 13, 2023, 02:04:24 PM
Klieman couldn't handle any of the smoke at A&M, he barely functions here.
The A&M job is very attractive to established coaches who want to cash in an early retirement. Otherwise it's hard to imagine anyone with a bunch of experience wanting to coach a team that somehow thinks it's always a year or two away from a national title while simultaneously being mostly irrelevant for the better part of 20 years.
To be clear I think if they just let him coach football like Gene has here, he would be successful. His assistants at KSU attend and represent the football team at a lot of functions the HC normally would. He also gets pretty bristly with any amount of negativity from the media/fanbase around the program and it would be 100x that in college station.
Post by: michigancat on November 13, 2023, 02:22:33 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 13, 2023, 02:33:38 PM
klieman gets bristly at the media? what are some examples?
Several games during the covid years he was chastising the media that the kids needed positivity. His weird one sentence answer and then sprint off halftime interview against Baylor was another recent one.
Post by: michigancat on November 13, 2023, 02:41:41 PM
klieman gets bristly at the media? what are some examples?
Several games during the covid years he was chastising the media that the kids needed positivity. His weird one sentence answer and then sprint off halftime interview against Baylor was another recent one.
yeah I guess that covid year there was something like that. And he's had decent enough success since then that hasn't led to much contention. But are you referring to the interview at halftime Saturday? That interview wasn't weird at all - he gave a pretty long answer about momentum and Baylor coming out and a quick one sentence answer about liking Will Howard in the offense.
Like, I think most of the SEC coaches are just as whiny/thin-skinned if not moreso, with Lane probably being the only exception but I'm sure he's very whiny if you pay attention.
Post by: wetwillie on November 13, 2023, 02:49:00 PM
Post by: Spracne on November 13, 2023, 02:53:50 PM
The "Will Howard. Period" thing was weird imo. Seems like it was in the same vein as Sinnott last week. In light of the body of work thru week 10 our fanbase has (myself included) been overly harsh to Will and it seems like the staff/team are vocally pushing back on that. I don't think Klieman is whiny at all relative to other coaches, I just think he would hate the crap out of every single day he coached at A&M.
I think any self-respecting coach would. If A&M were a Twitter poster, it would be a total beta who has "(Alpha Male)" in its handle. If you have to continuously tell people you're an alpha, I've got some bad news for you ....
Post by: MakeItRain on November 13, 2023, 03:36:46 PM
klieman gets bristly at the media? what are some examples?
Several games during the covid years he was chastising the media that the kids needed positivity.
He did that once and it was three years ago.
Post by: bananaeater on November 13, 2023, 03:40:20 PM
Spracs in here speaking truth about aTm weirdos.The "Will Howard. Period" thing was weird imo. Seems like it was in the same vein as Sinnott last week. In light of the body of work thru week 10 our fanbase has (myself included) been overly harsh to Will and it seems like the staff/team are vocally pushing back on that. I don't think Klieman is whiny at all relative to other coaches, I just think he would hate the crap out of every single day he coached at A&M.
I think any self-respecting coach would. If A&M were a Twitter poster, it would be a total beta who has "(Alpha Male)" in its handle. If you have to continuously tell people you're an alpha, I've got some bad news for you ....
Post by: Stevesie60 on November 13, 2023, 03:48:10 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 13, 2023, 03:48:35 PM
Sumlin was a g5 head coachLL and Klieman are not sexy enough for a top tier job. Both would be more likely to picked off by a traditionally frisky but mid-SEC or B10 job. Nebraska (if not a dumpster fire), Michigan State (if not a dumpster fire), Arkansas, and Wisconsin are the ones that I could see going for them if available. Other B10 or SEC jobs are too good, too delusional, or too shitty to hire them.
The Jimbo hire was outside of the norm for A&M. I do think they will at least try to hire a Klieman, Leopold, Elko program builder type. Also no idea why no one is mentioning Jamey Chadwell, but he's definitely going to be a P4 head coach in 2024.
It seemed pretty in the norm for me. Before Sumlin (who I would argue was more about being the hottest name at the time rather than a "program builder") they hired an NFL coach for goodness sake.
Sherman was the offensive coordinator, of the freaking Houston Texans
Dennis Franchione was at Alabama but he was 17-8 and they were facing a 2 year bowl van and loss of 21 scholarships
RC Slocum was the A&M defensive coordinator
Jimbo is the anomaly here, by far.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 13, 2023, 03:49:20 PM
What are the odds that Harbaugh is coaching Michigan next year?
Eh, fair I think. Can he find an NFL job?
Post by: Stevesie60 on November 13, 2023, 03:54:38 PM
What are the odds that Harbaugh is coaching Michigan next year?
Eh, fair I think. Can he find an NFL job?
Absolutely he can. How many available coaches will have "made it to a Super Bowl" on their resume?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 13, 2023, 04:16:17 PM
What are the odds that Harbaugh is coaching Michigan next year?
Eh, fair I think. Can he find an NFL job?
Absolutely he can. How many available coaches will have "made it to a Super Bowl" on their resume?
When he left, there was lots of rumors about him wearing his welcome out
Post by: ShellShock on November 13, 2023, 04:23:22 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 13, 2023, 04:28:37 PM
If you guys think that A&M (or their donor base) want CK, you're crazy. No way they reach out to the levels of picking up coaches from KSU, KU, Tulane, etc. They'll go after a big/hot name and overspend like they always do.I don’t know if you know this but we ARE the standard in college football now. We have to worry about these kinds of things. Because we are at the top.
Post by: Spracne on November 13, 2023, 04:32:18 PM
If you guys think that A&M (or their donor base) want CK, you're crazy. No way they reach out to the levels of picking up coaches from KSU, KU, Tulane, etc. They'll go after a big/hot name and overspend like they always do.
I think you're probably right, because they want to keep that money pump flowing with their rich, dumb donors who should be focusing their philanthropy on things that actually matter (but it's a cult). And they'll continue to be mediocre for it. If aTm hired a CK or a LL who had the full support of the AD and UP (sorry for all the initialisms), they would seriously be a powerhouse. As it is, I'm sure they'll continue to throw good money after bad because big brother is back in town, and death is better than losing to Texas University.
Post by: Katpappy on November 13, 2023, 04:38:23 PM
klieman gets bristly at the media? what are some examples?
Several games during the covid years he was chastising the media that the kids needed positivity. His weird one sentence answer and then sprint off halftime interview against Baylor was another recent one.
yeah I guess that covid year there was something like that. And he's had decent enough success since then that hasn't led to much contention. But are you referring to the interview at halftime Saturday? That interview wasn't weird at all - he gave a pretty long answer about momentum and Baylor coming out and a quick one sentence answer about liking Will Howard in the offense.
Like, I think most of the SEC coaches are just as whiny/thin-skinned if not moreso, with Lane probably being the only exception but I'm sure he's very whiny if you pay attention.
It's funny you mention that because Lane said about a week ago that if you want to coach a team that doesn't win very many games and get paid unreal money, go talk to A&M. LOL
Post by: Katpappy on November 13, 2023, 04:46:31 PM
What are the odds that Harbaugh is coaching Michigan next year?
About the same odds, Art Briles had with Baylor.
Post by: Katpappy on November 13, 2023, 04:51:23 PM
If you guys think that A&M (or their donor base) want CK, you're crazy. No way they reach out to the levels of picking up coaches from KSU, KU, Tulane, etc. They'll go after a big/hot name and overspend like they always do.
Those dumb effs were broke when they left the Big XII and I would bet their on their way to blowing all their AD cash if not now it will be soon.
Post by: catastrophe on November 13, 2023, 04:55:30 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 13, 2023, 05:11:32 PM
What are the odds that Harbaugh is coaching Michigan next year?
Eh, fair I think. Can he find an NFL job?
Absolutely he can. How many available coaches will have "made it to a Super Bowl" on their resume?
I could see the Raiders being dumb enough to hire him
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 13, 2023, 05:28:00 PM
Likely openings:
Raiders (already are)
Bears
Chargers
Possible openings:
Patriots
Packers
Saints
Giants
Falcons maybe?
Who knows how long Pete Carrol wants to coach. I don't see Mike Tomlin changing anytime soon.
I bet someone would give Harbaugh another shot (which would be stupid)
Post by: ben ji on November 13, 2023, 05:42:50 PM
If you guys think that A&M (or their donor base) want CK, you're crazy. No way they reach out to the levels of picking up coaches from KSU, KU, Tulane, etc. They'll go after a big/hot name and overspend like they always do.
I think you're probably right, because they want to keep that money pump flowing with their rich, dumb donors who should be focusing their philanthropy on things that actually matter (but it's a cult). And they'll continue to be mediocre for it. If aTm hired a CK or a LL who had the full support of the AD and UP (sorry for all the initialisms), they would seriously be a powerhouse. As it is, I'm sure they'll continue to throw good money after bad because big brother is back in town, and death is better than losing to Texas University.
Agreed which is why I can't wait for Urban Meyer and his Fully Guaranteed 10 year 150 million dollar contract.
(Although I do think there is a fair chance Urban could be successful at AM)
Post by: wetwillie on November 13, 2023, 05:47:32 PM
Post by: chum1 on November 13, 2023, 05:50:59 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 13, 2023, 05:55:49 PM
Is Pierce not a legit candidate to get the raiders job?
He definitely is, but their schedule now is Dolphins, Chiefs, Vikings, Chargers, Chiefs, Colts, Broncos. His two wins are the NY teams so I don't think that's going to be enough. Mark Davis is a weirdo. Total unknown.
Post by: Katpappy on November 13, 2023, 06:11:29 PM
If you guys think that A&M (or their donor base) want CK, you're crazy. No way they reach out to the levels of picking up coaches from KSU, KU, Tulane, etc. They'll go after a big/hot name and overspend like they always do.
Those dumb effs were broke when they left the Big XII and I would bet their on their way to blowing all their AD cash if not now it will be soon.
WOW!!! I just found out that the dumbass AD who you would think has someone in mind; was presented at half-time Saturday by the A&M 12th Man Foundation with a huge oversized check for 160 million. The next day the stupid eff Broak fired Jimbo since he is now loaded. He also asked if the foundation would make the yearly buyout payments and they agreed.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 13, 2023, 06:35:28 PM
If you guys think that A&M (or their donor base) want CK, you're crazy. No way they reach out to the levels of picking up coaches from KSU, KU, Tulane, etc. They'll go after a big/hot name and overspend like they always do.
I think you're probably right, because they want to keep that money pump flowing with their rich, dumb donors who should be focusing their philanthropy on things that actually matter (but it's a cult). And they'll continue to be mediocre for it. If aTm hired a CK or a LL who had the full support of the AD and UP (sorry for all the initialisms), they would seriously be a powerhouse. As it is, I'm sure they'll continue to throw good money after bad because big brother is back in town, and death is better than losing to Texas University.
Their donors use their money for academics, too. Like that time they ran off the lady who got hired to run their journalism department because she was black and used to work for the New York Times.
Post by: Spracne on November 13, 2023, 06:42:15 PM
If you guys think that A&M (or their donor base) want CK, you're crazy. No way they reach out to the levels of picking up coaches from KSU, KU, Tulane, etc. They'll go after a big/hot name and overspend like they always do.
I think you're probably right, because they want to keep that money pump flowing with their rich, dumb donors who should be focusing their philanthropy on things that actually matter (but it's a cult). And they'll continue to be mediocre for it. If aTm hired a CK or a LL who had the full support of the AD and UP (sorry for all the initialisms), they would seriously be a powerhouse. As it is, I'm sure they'll continue to throw good money after bad because big brother is back in town, and death is better than losing to Texas University.
Their donors use their money for academics, too. Like that time they ran off the lady who got hired to run their journalism department because she was black and used to work for the New York Times.
And even worse ... from the University of Texas *gasp*
Post by: MakeItRain on November 13, 2023, 07:21:02 PM
If you guys think that A&M (or their donor base) want CK, you're crazy. No way they reach out to the levels of picking up coaches from KSU, KU, Tulane, etc. They'll go after a big/hot name and overspend like they always do.
Nobody thinks Klieman is going to be their coach. They don't always go after "a big/hot name and overspend." They've done that exactly once.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 13, 2023, 07:23:15 PM
Didn’t CK also support players speaking out against racial issues on campus. That seems like enough to get blackballed for the A&M gig.
Yeah, kinda. Did wear BLM patches for a game though.
Post by: Pete on November 13, 2023, 08:27:58 PM
Sumlin was a hot name at the time.If you guys think that A&M (or their donor base) want CK, you're crazy. No way they reach out to the levels of picking up coaches from KSU, KU, Tulane, etc. They'll go after a big/hot name and overspend like they always do.
Nobody thinks Klieman is going to be their coach. They don't always go after "a big/hot name and overspend." They've done that exactly once.
Post by: deputy dawg on November 13, 2023, 08:33:38 PM
If you guys think that A&M (or their donor base) want CK, you're crazy. No way they reach out to the levels of picking up coaches from KSU, KU, Tulane, etc. They'll go after a big/hot name and overspend like they always do.
Nobody thinks Klieman is going to be their coach. They don't always go after "a big/hot name and overspend." They've done that exactly once.
Since 2012, they've had Sumlin and Fisher. It's enough to impress me that they find trendy coaches and overspend on them.
Post by: ben ji on November 13, 2023, 09:13:05 PM
If you guys think that A&M (or their donor base) want CK, you're crazy. No way they reach out to the levels of picking up coaches from KSU, KU, Tulane, etc. They'll go after a big/hot name and overspend like they always do.
I think you're probably right, because they want to keep that money pump flowing with their rich, dumb donors who should be focusing their philanthropy on things that actually matter (but it's a cult). And they'll continue to be mediocre for it. If aTm hired a CK or a LL who had the full support of the AD and UP (sorry for all the initialisms), they would seriously be a powerhouse. As it is, I'm sure they'll continue to throw good money after bad because big brother is back in town, and death is better than losing to Texas University.
Agreed which is why I can't wait for Urban Meyer and his Fully Guaranteed 10 year 150 million dollar contract.
(Although I do think there is a fair chance Urban could be successful at AM)
Actually Dabo would be the perfect AM hire. Past success? YES. Down home country boy aw shucks demeanor? YES. Fading at his current job and maybe looking for one last generational pay day? YES.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 13, 2023, 09:51:38 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 13, 2023, 10:00:19 PM
Sumlin was a hot name at the time.If you guys think that A&M (or their donor base) want CK, you're crazy. No way they reach out to the levels of picking up coaches from KSU, KU, Tulane, etc. They'll go after a big/hot name and overspend like they always do.
Nobody thinks Klieman is going to be their coach. They don't always go after "a big/hot name and overspend." They've done that exactly once.
He was the head coach at Houston, they weren't even in the AAC then. He was a CUSA coach, essentially Neil Brown. When he was hired he was the lowest paid coach in the SEC. Jimbo was three years removed from writing the national championship. Sorry to belabor the point but those two guys were no where close to the same candidate.
Post by: ben ji on November 13, 2023, 10:13:02 PM
Sumlin was a hot name at the time.If you guys think that A&M (or their donor base) want CK, you're crazy. No way they reach out to the levels of picking up coaches from KSU, KU, Tulane, etc. They'll go after a big/hot name and overspend like they always do.
Nobody thinks Klieman is going to be their coach. They don't always go after "a big/hot name and overspend." They've done that exactly once.
He was the head coach at Houston, they weren't even in the AAC then. He was a CUSA coach, essentially Neil Brown. When he was hired he was the lowest paid coach in the SEC. Jimbo was three years removed from writing the national championship. Sorry to belabor the point but those two guys were no where close to the same candidate.
They did money whip jackie sherrill from pitt in the 80's (when pitt was good) and stole ole dennis from bama(sanctions etc but they still stole a coach from BAMA)....seems like they have a pattern of lashing out and paying for headlines once every 20ish years...I'm thinking Elko is the next coach at A&M and the aggies will still aggie.
Post by: catastrophe on November 13, 2023, 10:32:45 PM
Agree Dabo would be a great fit for them.If you guys think that A&M (or their donor base) want CK, you're crazy. No way they reach out to the levels of picking up coaches from KSU, KU, Tulane, etc. They'll go after a big/hot name and overspend like they always do.
I think you're probably right, because they want to keep that money pump flowing with their rich, dumb donors who should be focusing their philanthropy on things that actually matter (but it's a cult). And they'll continue to be mediocre for it. If aTm hired a CK or a LL who had the full support of the AD and UP (sorry for all the initialisms), they would seriously be a powerhouse. As it is, I'm sure they'll continue to throw good money after bad because big brother is back in town, and death is better than losing to Texas University.
Agreed which is why I can't wait for Urban Meyer and his Fully Guaranteed 10 year 150 million dollar contract.
(Although I do think there is a fair chance Urban could be successful at AM)
Actually Dabo would be the perfect AM hire. Past success? YES. Down home country boy aw shucks demeanor? YES. Fading at his current job and maybe looking for one last generational pay day? YES.
Post by: Pete on November 14, 2023, 07:53:29 AM
Yeah, Dabo would be rough ridin' perfect.Agree Dabo would be a great fit for them.If you guys think that A&M (or their donor base) want CK, you're crazy. No way they reach out to the levels of picking up coaches from KSU, KU, Tulane, etc. They'll go after a big/hot name and overspend like they always do.
I think you're probably right, because they want to keep that money pump flowing with their rich, dumb donors who should be focusing their philanthropy on things that actually matter (but it's a cult). And they'll continue to be mediocre for it. If aTm hired a CK or a LL who had the full support of the AD and UP (sorry for all the initialisms), they would seriously be a powerhouse. As it is, I'm sure they'll continue to throw good money after bad because big brother is back in town, and death is better than losing to Texas University.
Agreed which is why I can't wait for Urban Meyer and his Fully Guaranteed 10 year 150 million dollar contract.
(Although I do think there is a fair chance Urban could be successful at AM)
Actually Dabo would be the perfect AM hire. Past success? YES. Down home country boy aw shucks demeanor? YES. Fading at his current job and maybe looking for one last generational pay day? YES.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 14, 2023, 08:18:06 AM
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Post by: pissclams on November 14, 2023, 08:26:10 AM
people need to quit using klieman and leipold’s names interchangeably. klieman has done things to deserve some mention in the conversations, leipold has finished 10th and 7th in the b12.eff, if a sane person were leading aTm’s coaching search they would be looking to hire someone who can just flat out coach, and who gives a crap what their record is on recruiting. Pay crap money and dare them to make you extend them.
Doesn't that fit the profile of Lance Lightpole and Klieman?
Post by: Pete on November 14, 2023, 08:35:44 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 14, 2023, 08:41:28 AM
Post by: WildcatNkilt on November 14, 2023, 10:10:45 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 14, 2023, 10:36:37 AM
Post by: Pete on November 14, 2023, 10:43:51 AM
He was bang average at Florida State without Jameis and their fans blamed his shitty roster management for the issues they had after he left.BUT, imagine the memes of $ per KSU win paid for by aTm.
Post by: wetwillie on November 14, 2023, 10:56:50 AM
Post by: Spracne on November 14, 2023, 01:27:58 PM
Deion and A&M is like oil and water. Deion deserves way better than that :opcat: heap of a fanbase.
Agree 100. I'm sure Deion, as a long-time Texas resident, knows enough about aTm culture to know better.
Post by: wetwillie on November 14, 2023, 01:29:31 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on November 14, 2023, 01:39:38 PM
Deion and A&M is like oil and water. Deion deserves way better than that :opcat: heap of a fanbase.
It's not just that, but I think A&M is a poor fit for Deion's strength, which is recruiting, that's not been A&M's problem.
Realistically, A&M is in the same issue Texas was in for so long, tons of talent but no the right coach to take them to the next level. Dabo is perfect for the culture but again, I don't think what A&M needs either. They need like a Dan Lanning type (and I know he said he isn't going anywhere) but some sort of former Saban/Saban tree coach that can pull them up, which clearly has helped Texas with Sark.
Post by: TheHamburglar on November 14, 2023, 01:51:00 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 14, 2023, 03:48:43 PM
Post by: CNS on November 14, 2023, 03:56:28 PM
Post by: bananaeater on November 14, 2023, 04:01:53 PM
Deion and A&M would be like one of those late 80's movies where a dork pays a cool chick to pretend to be his girlfriend hoping that it would make him cool and popular.
spot on.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 14, 2023, 04:02:09 PM
Post by: Pete on November 14, 2023, 04:47:11 PM
I think Dabo is perfect because those dipshits deserve each other.Deion and A&M is like oil and water. Deion deserves way better than that :opcat: heap of a fanbase.
It's not just that, but I think A&M is a poor fit for Deion's strength, which is recruiting, that's not been A&M's problem.
Realistically, A&M is in the same issue Texas was in for so long, tons of talent but no the right coach to take them to the next level. Dabo is perfect for the culture but again, I don't think what A&M needs either. They need like a Dan Lanning type (and I know he said he isn't going anywhere) but some sort of former Saban/Saban tree coach that can pull them up, which clearly has helped Texas with Sark.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 14, 2023, 05:11:44 PM
I think Dabo is perfect because those dipshits deserve each other.Deion and A&M is like oil and water. Deion deserves way better than that :opcat: heap of a fanbase.
It's not just that, but I think A&M is a poor fit for Deion's strength, which is recruiting, that's not been A&M's problem.
Realistically, A&M is in the same issue Texas was in for so long, tons of talent but no the right coach to take them to the next level. Dabo is perfect for the culture but again, I don't think what A&M needs either. They need like a Dan Lanning type (and I know he said he isn't going anywhere) but some sort of former Saban/Saban tree coach that can pull them up, which clearly has helped Texas with Sark.
I'm guessing he's holding out for Alabama. I'd love him at A&M though, it would be rough ridin' hilarious watching him also lose there.
Post by: Katpappy on November 14, 2023, 05:22:50 PM
Post by: ben ji on November 14, 2023, 06:36:27 PM
I think Dabo is perfect because those dipshits deserve each other.Deion and A&M is like oil and water. Deion deserves way better than that :opcat: heap of a fanbase.
It's not just that, but I think A&M is a poor fit for Deion's strength, which is recruiting, that's not been A&M's problem.
Realistically, A&M is in the same issue Texas was in for so long, tons of talent but no the right coach to take them to the next level. Dabo is perfect for the culture but again, I don't think what A&M needs either. They need like a Dan Lanning type (and I know he said he isn't going anywhere) but some sort of former Saban/Saban tree coach that can pull them up, which clearly has helped Texas with Sark.
I'm guessing he's holding out for Alabama. I'd love him at A&M though, it would be rough ridin' hilarious watching him also lose there.
I don't think Bama wants him anymore.
Post by: mocat on November 14, 2023, 08:57:13 PM
Is Dabo a loser now? Lol what happened, exactly?I think Dabo is perfect because those dipshits deserve each other.Deion and A&M is like oil and water. Deion deserves way better than that :opcat: heap of a fanbase.
It's not just that, but I think A&M is a poor fit for Deion's strength, which is recruiting, that's not been A&M's problem.
Realistically, A&M is in the same issue Texas was in for so long, tons of talent but no the right coach to take them to the next level. Dabo is perfect for the culture but again, I don't think what A&M needs either. They need like a Dan Lanning type (and I know he said he isn't going anywhere) but some sort of former Saban/Saban tree coach that can pull them up, which clearly has helped Texas with Sark.
I'm guessing he's holding out for Alabama. I'd love him at A&M though, it would be rough ridin' hilarious watching him also lose there.
Post by: Pete on November 14, 2023, 09:31:09 PM
Post by: mocat on November 14, 2023, 09:33:23 PM
He’s Dan Hawkinsy I guess.He won two national championships and was in another one three GD seasons ago
Post by: MakeItRain on November 14, 2023, 09:43:36 PM
They're going to finish either 6-6 or 7-5 this year, he's gotta get over his bullshit with nil and the portal, it's really losery in 2023.He’s Dan Hawkinsy I guess.He won two national championships and was in another one three GD seasons ago
Post by: star seed 7 on November 15, 2023, 02:22:41 AM
Post by: Cats-aholic on November 15, 2023, 07:32:47 AM
I hope those idiots keep emptying their pockets for mediocrity.
Post by: Skipper44 on November 15, 2023, 07:43:22 AM
i bet a guy like Dan Lanning and even Kiffin is higher on Alabama's list than Dabo at this point.They're going to finish either 6-6 or 7-5 this year, he's gotta get over his bullshit with nil and the portal, it's really losery in 2023.He’s Dan Hawkinsy I guess.He won two national championships and was in another one three GD seasons ago
Post by: Katpappy on November 15, 2023, 08:16:52 AM
Post by: Pete on November 15, 2023, 01:14:59 PM
Don't you guys know Saban didn't like Kiffin and pretty sure he ran him off?No one has ever “liked” Kiffin. Probably not even his mom.
Post by: Pete on November 15, 2023, 01:16:47 PM
I think Dabo is being exposed as having had some great AC’s. Heck, it happened to Bill, too. Let’s see if Dabo can reinvent the program with a fresh staff.They're going to finish either 6-6 or 7-5 this year, he's gotta get over his bullshit with nil and the portal, it's really losery in 2023.He’s Dan Hawkinsy I guess.He won two national championships and was in another one three GD seasons ago
Post by: MakeItRain on November 15, 2023, 02:21:48 PM
Don't you guys know Saban didn't like Kiffin and pretty sure he ran him off?
By ran him off do you mean fired him a week and a half before the national championship game, because that's what happened.
Post by: Katpappy on November 15, 2023, 06:42:10 PM
Post by: deputy dawg on November 17, 2023, 09:41:27 AM
Post by: michigancat on November 17, 2023, 09:46:46 AM
Is there a chance A&M would go for Gary Patterson? I don't think Patterson had to put up with a bunch of alumni nonsense at TCU, could he overcome the cult in College Station?
I'd guess there's about a 0% chance
Post by: deputy dawg on November 17, 2023, 09:51:30 AM
Is there a chance A&M would go for Gary Patterson? I don't think Patterson had to put up with a bunch of alumni nonsense at TCU, could he overcome the cult in College Station?
I'd guess there's about a 0% chance
Is your assessment based on:
A. Patterson has some type of hidden history that makes him poison, or
B. His coaching style wouldn't be a fit for the program, or
C. Makes too much sense, and A&M doesn't do things that makes sense
Post by: tdaver on November 17, 2023, 10:07:42 AM
Post by: michigancat on November 17, 2023, 10:48:46 AM
Is there a chance A&M would go for Gary Patterson? I don't think Patterson had to put up with a bunch of alumni nonsense at TCU, could he overcome the cult in College Station?
I'd guess there's about a 0% chance
Is your assessment based on:
A. Patterson has some type of hidden history that makes him poison, or
B. His coaching style wouldn't be a fit for the program, or
C. Makes too much sense, and A&M doesn't do things that makes sense
mostly because he was fired for losing too much
Post by: ben ji on November 17, 2023, 02:05:28 PM
So was Andy Reid!Is there a chance A&M would go for Gary Patterson? I don't think Patterson had to put up with a bunch of alumni nonsense at TCU, could he overcome the cult in College Station?
I'd guess there's about a 0% chance
Is your assessment based on:
A. Patterson has some type of hidden history that makes him poison, or
B. His coaching style wouldn't be a fit for the program, or
C. Makes too much sense, and A&M doesn't do things that makes sense
mostly because he was fired for losing too much
Post by: michigancat on November 17, 2023, 02:07:59 PM
Post by: ELL3 on November 17, 2023, 11:37:08 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 18, 2023, 12:43:10 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 19, 2023, 11:40:03 AM
Post by: cfbandyman on November 19, 2023, 11:52:29 AM
Holgerson is going to get fired if Houston does not go to a bowl. His buyout is 15 million and Houston has two big money boosters. Gary to Houston makes sense.
ngl that seems pretty dramatic, every new big 12 team this season has been pretty damn meh and will clearly have to grow some to make it. Which is why to me UCF will be quite the team to reckon with in 3-4 years
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 21, 2023, 11:52:45 AM
Post by: muqluk on November 22, 2023, 11:24:57 AM
https://coacheshotseat.com/
Post by: cfbandyman on November 22, 2023, 11:53:44 AM
Apparently Rhule’s seat is already ‘red hot’
https://coacheshotseat.com/
They will never learn, if they fire him after this year
Post by: ELL3 on November 22, 2023, 10:59:55 PM
Apparently Rhule’s seat is already ‘red hot’
https://coacheshotseat.com/
Back to Baylor
Post by: bananaeater on November 23, 2023, 06:06:42 PM
have a buddy that works in the Nebraska AD. said they knew frost should have been fired midway through his second year, but held on too long. personally, I think rhule is a fraud. many there do so as well.Apparently Rhule’s seat is already ‘red hot’
https://coacheshotseat.com/
They will never learn, if they fire him after this year
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 23, 2023, 07:54:16 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 24, 2023, 01:31:24 AM
My BIL is a Michigan Man and he alleges that when Ohio state loses on Saturday that Ryan Day will be announced as the new head coach of the fighting Texas aggies on Sunday. Seems incredibly sure of himself on this one:ROFL:
Post by: CNS on November 24, 2023, 09:06:49 AM
My BIL is a Michigan Man and he alleges that when Ohio state loses on Saturday that Ryan Day will be announced as the new head coach of the fighting Texas aggies on Sunday. Seems incredibly sure of himself on this one
I saw this in a pro-Aggie Top 5 replacement list article.
rough ridin' delusional.
Post by: Katpappy on November 24, 2023, 01:26:57 PM
My BIL is a Michigan Man and he alleges that when Ohio state loses on Saturday that Ryan Day will be announced as the new head coach of the fighting Texas aggies on Sunday. Seems incredibly sure of himself on this one
I saw this in a pro-Aggie Top 5 replacement list article.
rough ridin' delusional.
It would be more believable if it was Harbaugh they were talking about. Everyone knows he is moving on after the season.
Post by: chum1 on November 25, 2023, 11:15:31 PM
https://twitter.com/LateKickJosh/status/1728631960405508389
Post by: catastrophe on November 25, 2023, 11:20:36 PM
Post by: chum1 on November 25, 2023, 11:24:13 PM
https://twitter.com/BarrettSallee/status/1728644935761469627
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 26, 2023, 12:24:08 AM
Gah that was the greatest few days in football history.
Post by: Houstoncat93 on November 26, 2023, 09:34:10 AM
https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1728646243671224588?s=20
https://x.com/UKCoachStoops/status/1728655482317869099?s=20
Post by: wetwillie on November 26, 2023, 09:44:44 AM
Post by: Houstoncat93 on November 26, 2023, 09:48:37 AM
Quote
Texas A&M
Kentucky head coach Mark Stoops is no longer a candidate for the A&M head coaching vacancy, a source briefed on the hiring process tells The Athletic, confirming multiple reports. Stoops confirmed he was staying at Kentucky in a post to Twitter/X late Saturday night. A number of other current head coaches have been linked to the job as well, but it’s not clear how seriously.
The Aggies also like Kansas coach Lance Leipold, Duke coach Mike Elko (a former A&M defensive coordinator) and Kansas State coach Chris Klieman, sources tell The Athletic. Each is regarded as a strong leader who knows how to establish and build a strong culture. Elko had also been linked to the Michigan State vacancy until last weekend, when he informed Duke that he intended to stay, two sources briefed on the decision told The Athletic. But Michigan State is different than Texas A&M, and if the A&M brass were serious about Elko, sources expect him to be receptive.
There is one big wild card here looming. Texas A&M does have some interest in Ohio State’s Ryan Day, program sources tell The Athletic. Day is 56-7 as a head coach and 39-3 in the Big Ten after Saturday’s loss to Michigan. He came within a last-second field goal of beating Georgia last year in the College Football Playoff, but losing back-to-back games to arch-rival Michigan hangs heavy over Columbus. After that loss, Day might be more open to listening to A&M’s pitch.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2023, 09:56:53 AM
I have no idea who A&M is going to end up with. Who the hell is going to want that job?
Post by: wetwillie on November 26, 2023, 10:15:11 AM
Post by: IPA4Me on November 26, 2023, 10:30:44 AM
https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/1728791203695526025?t=-KzaalkcwHCvCOM9TtPmfw&s=19
Post by: muqluk on November 26, 2023, 10:54:13 AM
Post by: Houstoncat93 on November 26, 2023, 11:06:53 AM
https://x.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1728819467046809761?s=20
Post by: pissclams on November 26, 2023, 11:29:53 AM
Post by: Houstoncat93 on November 26, 2023, 11:55:40 AM
https://x.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1728833942315552930?s=20
Post by: catastrophe on November 26, 2023, 12:03:57 PM
https://twitter.com/reeseclarett13/status/1728514359821816153?s=61&t=kHH-k8anwIfPUMhwWRaDiAThis really is the only way A&M could land Day. tOSU fans literally only care about championships and beating Michigan. And not necessarily in that order.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2023, 01:19:40 PM
Post by: Pete on November 26, 2023, 02:24:46 PM
I actually hope Day goes, A&M is still going to be mediocre and OSU will almost certainly get worse. If I'm Day there's no way I'm leaving the best job in the Big 10 to a mid tier job in the SEC, crybaby OSU fans be damned. Keep doing what you're doing at OSU and if you get fired for going 12-1 13-2 every year, you'll bounce back real easily and find a great job.Might be able to get a raise from OSU in the process as well.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 26, 2023, 02:45:14 PM
The problem with A&M's tantrum about Stoops is that they are going to have the same tantrum about everyone not named Ryan Day, because they've convinced themselves that they are the type of program that can't take a coach like Ryan Day from Ohio State. Day has only lost 3 regular season games in 4 seasons and all 3 are to top 5 Michigan teams. He literally has the second or third best program in the country, I can't imagine he's going to leave that for a program with no championships and can barely make bowl games.
I have no idea who A&M is going to end up with. Who the hell is going to want that job?
I think the only person who would want that job would be someone who wants to receive over $100 million in compensation even if they are mediocre at best at their job
Post by: Houstoncat93 on November 26, 2023, 04:09:26 PM
https://twitter.com/JasonKirk_fyi/status/1728889902937628982?t=pjajuBDfgPEsdBKbc5P-7w&s=19
Post by: pissclams on November 26, 2023, 07:13:56 PM
Post by: pissclams on November 26, 2023, 07:37:31 PM
Post by: Pete on November 26, 2023, 07:42:21 PM
https://twitter.com/sicem365_/status/1728875625870676293?s=61&t=kHH-k8anwIfPUMhwWRaDiABlamed it on ol’ Grimey
Post by: Pete on November 26, 2023, 07:53:19 PM
Sure but like half that is taxes.The problem with A&M's tantrum about Stoops is that they are going to have the same tantrum about everyone not named Ryan Day, because they've convinced themselves that they are the type of program that can't take a coach like Ryan Day from Ohio State. Day has only lost 3 regular season games in 4 seasons and all 3 are to top 5 Michigan teams. He literally has the second or third best program in the country, I can't imagine he's going to leave that for a program with no championships and can barely make bowl games.
I have no idea who A&M is going to end up with. Who the hell is going to want that job?
I think the only person who would want that job would be someone who wants to receive over $100 million in compensation even if they are mediocre at best at their job
Post by: star seed 7 on November 26, 2023, 08:15:50 PM
Sure but like half that is taxes.The problem with A&M's tantrum about Stoops is that they are going to have the same tantrum about everyone not named Ryan Day, because they've convinced themselves that they are the type of program that can't take a coach like Ryan Day from Ohio State. Day has only lost 3 regular season games in 4 seasons and all 3 are to top 5 Michigan teams. He literally has the second or third best program in the country, I can't imagine he's going to leave that for a program with no championships and can barely make bowl games.
I have no idea who A&M is going to end up with. Who the hell is going to want that job?
I think the only person who would want that job would be someone who wants to receive over $100 million in compensation even if they are mediocre at best at their job
What a headache
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 26, 2023, 09:18:24 PM
Tell me you haven’t read the Panama Papers without telling me you haven’t read the Panama PapersSure but like half that is taxes.The problem with A&M's tantrum about Stoops is that they are going to have the same tantrum about everyone not named Ryan Day, because they've convinced themselves that they are the type of program that can't take a coach like Ryan Day from Ohio State. Day has only lost 3 regular season games in 4 seasons and all 3 are to top 5 Michigan teams. He literally has the second or third best program in the country, I can't imagine he's going to leave that for a program with no championships and can barely make bowl games.
I have no idea who A&M is going to end up with. Who the hell is going to want that job?
I think the only person who would want that job would be someone who wants to receive over $100 million in compensation even if they are mediocre at best at their job
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 26, 2023, 09:26:04 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on November 27, 2023, 08:59:47 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 27, 2023, 09:38:31 AM
I actually hope Day goes, A&M is still going to be mediocre and OSU will almost certainly get worse. If I'm Day there's no way I'm leaving the best job in the Big 10 to a mid tier job in the SEC, crybaby OSU fans be damned. Keep doing what you're doing at OSU and if you get fired for going 12-1 13-2 every year, you'll bounce back real easily and find a great job.
You would think that, but the best Frank Solich could do after getting fired at Nebraska for losing 1-3 games every year was Ohio. If I'm Day, I take the A&M money and retire early. Coaching would be super stressful and I wouldn't want to do it in my late 60s.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 27, 2023, 10:01:11 AM
The A&M job is gone.I actually hope Day goes, A&M is still going to be mediocre and OSU will almost certainly get worse. If I'm Day there's no way I'm leaving the best job in the Big 10 to a mid tier job in the SEC, crybaby OSU fans be damned. Keep doing what you're doing at OSU and if you get fired for going 12-1 13-2 every year, you'll bounce back real easily and find a great job.
You would think that, but the best Frank Solich could do after getting fired at Nebraska for losing 1-3 games every year was Ohio. If I'm Day, I take the A&M money and retire early. Coaching would be super stressful and I wouldn't want to do it in my late 60s.
Worth noting that Solich was old and was thought of as just Osborne's assistant. Day isn't old, nor is he only closely tied to the success of another long time coach.
Post by: Skipper44 on November 27, 2023, 11:03:55 AM
regardless he needs a better QB than what he sent out there saturday
Post by: IPA4Me on November 28, 2023, 03:27:39 PM
https://twitter.com/CFBRep/status/1729589245453451369
Post by: wetwillie on November 28, 2023, 04:41:25 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 28, 2023, 04:55:57 PM
Post by: ben ji on November 28, 2023, 06:00:17 PM
Post by: Kid In the Hall on November 28, 2023, 08:37:43 PM
Petrino back to pig aggie as OC is hilarious
Absolutely fitting to have that situation in the SEC
Post by: bucket on November 28, 2023, 08:58:43 PM
Petrino back to pig aggie as OC is hilarious
Yes! I loved seeing the pics of him in the neck brace today and remembering that wonderful time. Also appreciated how awkward a situation that is and will be for everyone involved.
Post by: PurpleOil on November 29, 2023, 03:30:12 AM
Petrino back to pig aggie as OC is hilarious
Yes! I loved seeing the pics of him in the neck brace today and remembering that wonderful time. Also appreciated how awkward a situation that is and will be for everyone involved.
It's what arKansas deserves.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2023, 06:02:39 AM
Petrino back to pig aggie as OC is hilarious
Yes! I loved seeing the pics of him in the neck brace today and remembering that wonderful time. Also appreciated how awkward a situation that is and will be for everyone involved.
Including his poor wife
Post by: deputy dawg on November 29, 2023, 09:16:53 AM
That dude just keeps getting jobs despite all the evidence that he isn't a good head coach.
He seems to always find really good QB's. If I were him, I'd set up shop as an independent consultant for NFL teams wanting to draft a QB. I know a paltry few hundred thousand $$ is not going to pay as well as being a head coach, but man, it would be tons less stressful.
Post by: michigancat on November 29, 2023, 09:18:17 AM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 29, 2023, 09:21:05 AM
Big if true...Welcome back to the Big XII, Cliff!
https://twitter.com/CFBRep/status/1729589245453451369
Post by: ben ji on November 29, 2023, 01:48:06 PM
https://twitter.com/OU_Football/status/1729939335472885803?t=Qj5eme9hjJD7Kc1PHhGZ1w&s=19
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2023, 02:28:15 PM
Old friend alert
https://twitter.com/OU_Football/status/1729939335472885803?t=Qj5eme9hjJD7Kc1PHhGZ1w&s=19
lol, running the program like the old family farm. Venables did learn a thing or two from Bill.
Post by: kstater on November 29, 2023, 02:39:08 PM
Petrino back to pig aggie as OC is hilariousCertainly did not have that on my bingo card.
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Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 30, 2023, 08:35:51 AM
Petrino back to pig aggie as OC is hilariousCertainly did not have that on my bingo card.
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Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on December 04, 2023, 02:08:19 PM
Tulane guy took the Houston gig
Duke’s like OC or some crap took the aTm job
What else is new?
Post by: wetwillie on December 04, 2023, 02:14:23 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on December 04, 2023, 02:16:32 PM
Oregon St coach to Michigan St
KU OC to Penn St OC
JMU coach to Indiana
OU OC to Miss St
Oregon St promoted former player DC
Boise promoted DC as well
Baylor keeping Aranda which was a little surprising to me
The remaining P5 openings are Duke and Vandy, I believe
Post by: michigancat on December 04, 2023, 02:20:36 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 04, 2023, 06:19:46 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on December 04, 2023, 08:13:33 PM
Petrino back to pig aggie as OC is hilarious
Yes! I loved seeing the pics of him in the neck brace today and remembering that wonderful time. Also appreciated how awkward a situation that is and will be for everyone involved.
Including his poor wife
Yup, but still my favorite development of this year so far
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2023, 11:24:44 AM
Pretty pud cycle
Oregon St coach to Michigan St
KU OC to Penn St OC
JMU coach to Indiana
OU OC to Miss St
Oregon St promoted former player DC
Boise promoted DC as well
Baylor keeping Aranda which was a little surprising to me
The remaining P5 openings are Duke and Vandy, I believe
Vandy didn't fire Clark Lea. He did fire his OC & DC though, he's going to call his own defense which means he will be fired next season.
Post by: CNS on January 16, 2024, 03:32:18 PM
Quote
“Harbaugh is seeking language that would grant him immunity from termination from any finding or sanction that could arise from multiple current NCAA investigations into the football program,” Wetzel wrote. “Harbaugh is also seeking a delay in the start date of the new contract to maintain a lower buyout that NFL teams would have to pay Michigan to hire him away.”
Harbaugh telling his boss that he cheated while telling them to shut up and pay him. Oh, also, he may still leave them.
Post by: Spracne on January 16, 2024, 03:38:24 PM
Post by: catastrophe on January 16, 2024, 03:45:54 PM
Post by: Pete on January 16, 2024, 07:31:12 PM
Post by: bucket on January 24, 2024, 07:15:27 PM
Klieman and Lance both mentioned
Post by: Pete on January 24, 2024, 07:18:05 PM
Post by: wetwillie on January 24, 2024, 07:20:52 PM
Post by: Houstoncat93 on January 24, 2024, 07:34:36 PM
Post by: Woogy on January 24, 2024, 07:38:45 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 24, 2024, 11:14:12 PM
No one is turning down the Michigan job if offered.
Probably should though. Next season is going to be pretty rough for them and it doesn't help that they've essentially been without a head coach for the month of January. They haven't done jack crap in the portal. Moore is going to get the job and he's going to fail.
Post by: Pete on January 25, 2024, 08:16:10 AM
OSU: 4
UO: 2
PSU: 2
USC: 1
Mich: 1
That’s my guess.
Post by: Pete on January 25, 2024, 08:22:52 AM
Wisconsin: 4
Iowa: 2
Northwestern: 2
Purdue: 1
None of those is likely to get another appearance in the next decade.
Post by: Pete on January 25, 2024, 08:24:16 AM
Post by: OB_Won on January 25, 2024, 09:52:12 AM
By the way, in 9 years the West never won a championship game. Not even in the 1 year that the champ wasn’t OSU/UM/PSU…that year went to MSU.K-State is the only “north” team to win (twice) the Big 12 since Colorado in 2001.
Post by: Pete on January 25, 2024, 10:19:47 AM
In the SEC though it’s unlikely, it does seem possible that a Mizzou/Arkansas/Ole Miss/Miss State/Kentucky/South Carolina booster group have a nice run.
I just can’t see it in the big 10. I have a hard time believing that the big 10 will be anything other than 5 or 6 schools, then a bunch of schedule fillers.
My pastor told me that all things are possible through Christ, but I don’t think even the Son of Man can get Nebraska a big 10 championship game appearance.
Post by: michigancat on February 09, 2024, 01:19:24 PM
https://twitter.com/On3sports/status/1756030888075317558
Post by: wetwillie on February 09, 2024, 01:20:54 PM
Post by: michigancat on February 09, 2024, 01:26:19 PM
https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1756033301276688384
Post by: Pete on February 09, 2024, 01:44:37 PM
Post by: wetwillie on February 09, 2024, 01:48:34 PM
Post by: deputy dawg on February 09, 2024, 02:07:43 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-p-j-fleck-may-194006422.html
Post by: MadCat on February 09, 2024, 02:09:29 PM
therefore
UCLA HC < BC HC
*transitive property of inequalities in athletics
Post by: wetwillie on February 09, 2024, 02:40:05 PM
Post by: deputy dawg on February 09, 2024, 02:53:55 PM
I assume the PJ Fleck to UCLA is a troll
It depends on whether you'd want to be a Golden Gopher or a Trojan.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 09, 2024, 03:13:40 PM
Post by: CNS on February 09, 2024, 03:15:27 PM
Post by: wetwillie on February 09, 2024, 03:47:05 PM
Post by: passranch on February 09, 2024, 04:15:11 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 09, 2024, 04:39:24 PM
Post by: meow meow on February 09, 2024, 04:40:27 PM
Post by: ben ji on February 09, 2024, 06:38:51 PM
It will definitely be interesting to see how this impacts Will.
Post by: michigancat on February 09, 2024, 07:12:50 PM
Chip hates recruiting/schmoozing with donors and had basically quit doing it at UCLA , lost alot of his team this year and was staring down the barrel of a 3-4 win season in the big10. UCLA is broke and couldn't fire him so he was a dead man walking this year.
It will definitely be interesting to see how this impacts Will.
I don't understand why he didn't just stay and get the money. He can always get a coordinator gig. Also I can't imagine being offensive coordinator at Ohio State and not having to recruit or schmooze
Post by: Pete on February 09, 2024, 09:56:23 PM
Post by: Pete on February 09, 2024, 09:58:03 PM
Chip hates recruiting/schmoozing with donors and had basically quit doing it at UCLA , lost alot of his team this year and was staring down the barrel of a 3-4 win season in the big10. UCLA is broke and couldn't fire him so he was a dead man walking this year.
It will definitely be interesting to see how this impacts Will.
I don't understand why he didn't just stay and get the money. He can always get a coordinator gig. Also I can't imagine being offensive coordinator at Ohio State and not having to recruit or schmooze
If I was Day, I'd give Chip that job and let him do what he wanted.
Post by: wetwillie on February 09, 2024, 10:12:21 PM
If Fleck leaves Minnesota, we could easily loose CK.
If he didn't leave for Nebraska he sure as hell isn't leaving for Minn
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 10, 2024, 08:51:52 AM
Post by: wetwillie on February 10, 2024, 09:08:57 AM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 10, 2024, 12:33:26 PM
Post by: Pete on February 10, 2024, 01:30:08 PM
If Fleck leaves Minnesota, we could easily loose CK.
If he didn't leave for Nebraska he sure as hell isn't leaving for Minn
Fargo is 3 hours from Minneapolis. It's the same culture and recruiting area that won him national championships. Zero expectations like Nebraska. Better stadium than Nebraska. big 10 money. He'd be crazy not to take the MN job.
Post by: star seed 7 on February 10, 2024, 01:49:35 PM
Post by: wetwillie on February 10, 2024, 01:49:42 PM
Post by: Houstoncat93 on February 10, 2024, 06:17:28 PM
If Fleck leaves Minnesota, we could easily loose CK.
https://twitter.com/Coach_Fleck/status/1756469281590481389?t=nE-Wdo3uaYeiYaGdRqnSpQ&s=19
Bullet dodged for now
Post by: MakeItRain on February 11, 2024, 12:36:21 PM
I think Minnesota is a better job than UCLA. Lower expectations, same ceiling.
This is wild
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 11, 2024, 01:16:59 PM
UCLA football doesn’t have full sized practice fields and the only way to get 100 yards is to go across the two 80 yard East-West fields but then there’s not enough room for full endzones on both ends.
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Post by: MakeItRain on February 11, 2024, 01:26:14 PM
Minnesota has never won the Big 10 West, the worst division in football. Minnesota hasn't won the Big 10 since 1967.
Minnesota has had a recruiting class finish ahead of Nebraska exactly twice, 2003 and 2008. I believe those were both coaching change seasons for Nebraska.
Only Northwestern*, Maryland, Rutgers, and Purdue have smaller football budgets in the Big 10.
Yes, Minnesota has a newer stadium but no one goes to games there. They've averaged 44,000 fans a game the last 5 non covid years.
The Minnesota job would have been great for Klieman when he was at NDSU, now that he has a P4 job and has it humming, he has nothing to gain by going to Minnesota. By the time Klieman retires he'll have more conference championships than Minnesota has had since 1941.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 11, 2024, 01:30:09 PM
Why anyone would want to deal with playing home games 45 minutes off campus in Los Angeles is beyond me.
UCLA football doesn’t have full sized practice fields and the only way to get 100 yards is to go across the two 80 yard East-West fields but then there’s not enough room for full endzones on both ends.
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UCLA absolutely has problems, but a lot of them can be overcome by the right coach, they have natural recruiting advantages that most of the P4 does not. They have a national championship ceiling with a good coaching staff and a committed administration.
Post by: michigancat on February 11, 2024, 01:33:25 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 11, 2024, 02:00:30 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 11, 2024, 03:12:05 PM
https://twitter.com/jasonscheer/status/1756487767125864843
Post by: Pete on February 11, 2024, 04:09:16 PM
Minnesota and UCLA are both capable of finishing 4th or 5th in the Big 10 in a good year.Yep.
Power 2 jobs.
Post by: Pete on February 11, 2024, 04:11:20 PM
Post by: michigancat on February 11, 2024, 04:23:20 PM
There is no such thing as a P4 job any more. There is Power 2 and Second 2. Some guys will be OK with settling for Second 2 jobs. Do we want one that is?
I think more precisely, there's teams that can realistically win national titles, and teams that cannot. And there's a whole lotta "P2" jobs that won't realistically win national titles and are not automatically better than any job outside of the P2. (Minnesota included).
Post by: star seed 7 on February 11, 2024, 04:30:09 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 11, 2024, 04:31:23 PM
There is no such thing as a P4 job any more. There is Power 2 and Second 2. Some guys will be OK with settling for Second 2 jobs. Do we want one that is?
:ROFL:
Now I'm certain you are 100% trolling. A program who is expected to compete for the ACC and Big 12 is a significantly better job than a program in the Big 10 and SEC who hopes to win 9 games and isn't even thinking about the CFP. Fans obsessed with TV payouts will be studied and laughed at in a generation from now much like we laugh about people who think college athletes should only get scholarships.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 11, 2024, 04:44:50 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on February 11, 2024, 04:59:32 PM
Post by: michigancat on February 11, 2024, 05:41:35 PM
Sure we can only pay 60% what Minnesota can, but at least you have an opportunity to win a conference over ucf and west Virginia!How long will Minnesota play 67% more for an 8-4 ceiling? I don't know but I don't think they will spend proportionately more on an already inflated salary forever
Post by: star seed 7 on February 11, 2024, 07:39:07 PM
Sure we can only pay 60% what Minnesota can, but at least you have an opportunity to win a conference over ucf and west Virginia!How long will Minnesota play 67% more for an 8-4 ceiling? I don't know but I don't think they will spend proportionately more on an already inflated salary forever
Do you think this stops
Post by: michigancat on February 11, 2024, 07:49:19 PM
Sure we can only pay 60% what Minnesota can, but at least you have an opportunity to win a conference over ucf and west Virginia!How long will Minnesota play 67% more for an 8-4 ceiling? I don't know but I don't think they will spend proportionately more on an already inflated salary forever
Do you think this stops fcs coaches from going to "the second 2"?
I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at but do you think the gap from FCS to the Big 12 is equal to or smaller than the gap from the Big 12 to the Big 10?
My general point is that the best/hottest coach in the Big 12 won't automatically take any Big 10 job if offered, especially if it's the bottom half of the Big 10.
Post by: wetwillie on February 11, 2024, 08:00:01 PM
Post by: michigancat on February 11, 2024, 08:08:25 PM
Well the hottest b12 coordinators sure as hell doLike CK to aTm or the KU guy to Penn State? Do you think they would have taken the same role at Minnesota or Purdue or Kentucky or South Carolina or Mississippi State or Mizzou or......
Post by: wetwillie on February 11, 2024, 08:33:06 PM
Well the hottest b12 coordinators sure as hell doLike CK to aTm or the KU guy to Penn State? Do you think they would have taken the same role at Minnesota or Purdue or Kentucky or South Carolina or Mississippi State or Mizzou or......
How could I know what they would do? A&M isn't better than any of those programs if that's what you mean.
Post by: michigancat on February 11, 2024, 08:41:46 PM
A&M isn't better than any of those programs if that's what you mean.
If you genuinely think Purdue and Minnesota and aTm would all compete for the same coordinator and head coaching candidates, I think we're done here
Post by: star seed 7 on February 11, 2024, 10:09:38 PM
Sure we can only pay 60% what Minnesota can, but at least you have an opportunity to win a conference over ucf and west Virginia!How long will Minnesota play 67% more for an 8-4 ceiling? I don't know but I don't think they will spend proportionately more on an already inflated salary forever
Do you think this stops fcs coaches from going to "the second 2"?
I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at but do you think the gap from FCS to the Big 12 is equal to or smaller than the gap from the Big 12 to the Big 10?
My general point is that the best/hottest coach in the Big 12 won't automatically take any Big 10 job if offered, especially if it's the bottom half of the Big 10.
I edited too late and meant g5. The gap between 2 and second 2 is small right now, but I don't see any reason to believe it's not going to increase.
Post by: Pete on February 11, 2024, 10:50:02 PM
There is no such thing as a P4 job any more. There is Power 2 and Second 2. Some guys will be OK with settling for Second 2 jobs. Do we want one that is?
:ROFL:
Now I'm certain you are 100% trolling. A program who is expected to compete for the ACC and Big 12 is a significantly better job than a program in the Big 10 and SEC who hopes to win 9 games and isn't even thinking about the CFP. Fans obsessed with TV payouts will be studied and laughed at in a generation from now much like we laugh about people who think college athletes should only get scholarships.
Dude, you are wrong about everthing ever that has to do with the combination of $ and college football.
Post by: Pete on February 11, 2024, 10:51:51 PM
Sure we can only pay 60% what Minnesota can, but at least you have an opportunity to win a conference over ucf and west Virginia!How long will Minnesota play 67% more for an 8-4 ceiling? I don't know but I don't think they will spend proportionately more on an already inflated salary forever
Do you think this stops fcs coaches from going to "the second 2"?
I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at but do you think the gap from FCS to the Big 12 is equal to or smaller than the gap from the Big 12 to the Big 10?
My general point is that the best/hottest coach in the Big 12 won't automatically take any Big 10 job if offered, especially if it's the bottom half of the Big 10.
I edited too late and meant g5. The gap between 2 and second 2 is small right now, but I don't see any reason to believe it's not going to increase.
The gap is going to get bigger and bigger, and will eventually be just those two doing their own thing in both mens football and mens basketball. Wouldn't be surprised if it turned into all sports.
Post by: Pete on February 11, 2024, 11:03:21 PM
Well, everything is too harsh. But A LOT! :shakesfist:There is no such thing as a P4 job any more. There is Power 2 and Second 2. Some guys will be OK with settling for Second 2 jobs. Do we want one that is?
:ROFL:
Now I'm certain you are 100% trolling. A program who is expected to compete for the ACC and Big 12 is a significantly better job than a program in the Big 10 and SEC who hopes to win 9 games and isn't even thinking about the CFP. Fans obsessed with TV payouts will be studied and laughed at in a generation from now much like we laugh about people who think college athletes should only get scholarships.
Dude, you are wrong about everthing ever that has to do with the combination of $ and college football.
Post by: michigancat on February 12, 2024, 06:36:14 AM
Sure we can only pay 60% what Minnesota can, but at least you have an opportunity to win a conference over ucf and west Virginia!How long will Minnesota play 67% more for an 8-4 ceiling? I don't know but I don't think they will spend proportionately more on an already inflated salary forever
Do you think this stops fcs coaches from going to "the second 2"?
I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at but do you think the gap from FCS to the Big 12 is equal to or smaller than the gap from the Big 12 to the Big 10?
My general point is that the best/hottest coach in the Big 12 won't automatically take any Big 10 job if offered, especially if it's the bottom half of the Big 10.
I edited too late and meant g5. The gap between 2 and second 2 is small right now, but I don't see any reason to believe it's not going to increase.
G5 coaches have been turning down "Second 2" jobs forever. Especially if they're at the best G5 jobs.
But my general point is there's no clear ranking of coaching jobs based entirely on conference affiliation - every coach and opening will be unique. I mean, this discussion was set off by a P2 head coach taking a coordinator role in the same conference, which should never happen in your theoretical ranking system.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 12, 2024, 09:48:03 PM
Sure we can only pay 60% what Minnesota can, but at least you have an opportunity to win a conference over ucf and west Virginia!How long will Minnesota play 67% more for an 8-4 ceiling? I don't know but I don't think they will spend proportionately more on an already inflated salary forever
Do you think this stops fcs coaches from going to "the second 2"?
I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at but do you think the gap from FCS to the Big 12 is equal to or smaller than the gap from the Big 12 to the Big 10?
My general point is that the best/hottest coach in the Big 12 won't automatically take any Big 10 job if offered, especially if it's the bottom half of the Big 10.
I edited too late and meant g5. The gap between 2 and second 2 is small right now, but I don't see any reason to believe it's not going to increase.
The gap is going to get bigger and bigger, and will eventually be just those two doing their own thing in both mens football and mens basketball. Wouldn't be surprised if it turned into all sports.
Link? The thread is right here, can't be hard to find.
My take is that there always have and will be a gap between the haves and have nots. I'm not particularly sure why this media contract is freaking you out so badly, I have no idea what's different. The thought that all 16 Big 10 schools are better jobs than every school in the Big 12 and ACC is asinine. An already multigenerationally rich coach isn't going to leave a perennial top 25 job for a job with less chance of success and less job security for a few more bucks. Rich, successful people don't move like that. It's the same as the dumb ass talking point that every player is up for the highest bidder, no matter the other circumstances, it's ludicrous.