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Title: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on May 31, 2020, 10:44:50 AM
From the original:

A lot of journalists have “f) some cnn people were arrested for a little bit” at the top of their lists.
Yes, this reminds me of when Frank was mean to some townie journos and they all lost their minds.

:lol:

(https://i.imgur.com/AxnoD2J_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)


Keep the real victims, the journalists, in your T&P's tonight.

https://twitter.com/chrisvanderveen/status/1266616480004632576
On this theme, journalists are VERY concerned that Trump falsely said DC police weren't helping with protest control last night

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1266771305900187648

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1266771373835407367

Also this lol

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1266755788082761729






https://twitter.com/indynewsguild/status/1266791489503465472?s=20

Heros


https://twitter.com/KyungLahCNN/status/1266763047319691264


Journalists are really pissed about journalists getting shot with rubber bullets

https://twitter.com/MikeGeorgeCBS/status/1266916104951214080


:lol:

https://twitter.com/HuffPostUnion/status/1266941419522048000
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on May 31, 2020, 10:45:03 AM
https://twitter.com/reporterdavidj/status/1266966021077962752
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on May 31, 2020, 10:45:21 AM
https://twitter.com/ChristinaKVUE/status/1267065951385800705
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on May 31, 2020, 10:47:15 AM
Maybe goes better in greatest K-State beat writer threat, but whatever.

https://twitter.com/Matthew_D_Hall/status/1267094247829839875

https://twitter.com/Matthew_D_Hall/status/1267098623285833728
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: catastrophe on May 31, 2020, 10:57:25 AM
How do you “stop” a guy who had no intention of hurting anyone?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: catastrophe on May 31, 2020, 10:58:01 AM
My fav so far is def the pic of the guy’s bruise with an explanation that he’ll be ok.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: wetwillie on May 31, 2020, 11:11:05 AM
Maybe goes better in greatest K-State beat writer threat, but whatever.

https://twitter.com/Matthew_D_Hall/status/1267094247829839875

https://twitter.com/Matthew_D_Hall/status/1267098623285833728

I’m really starting to worry about him
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on May 31, 2020, 11:37:37 AM
Splitting the Matt Hall stuff out, mocking journalists for covering the police going after journalists doesn't show what you think it does.

Journalists have covered war zones with more safety than is being provided on city streets in America. These tough guy cops can't even be as restrained as third world dictators.  The CNN thing should have gotten even more coverage. Knowing what the MPD knew about what is going on in the city and in this country, they couldn't even be bothered to let two black journalists do their job, when there were white media members all over the rough ridin' place. How many black members of the press do you think those cops saw that day, in comparison to the white media members. It wasn't some coincidence that those two guys were the ones arrested.

The media are the only things providing the checks to the cops causing havoc and destruction. God knows the districts attorney won't rough ridin' do anything about these abusive cops. All we have are cameras and potential shame from being exposed.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: michigancat on May 31, 2020, 02:15:12 PM
Splitting the Matt Hall stuff out, mocking journalists for covering the police going after journalists doesn't show what you think it does.

Journalists have covered war zones with more safety than is being provided on city streets in America. These tough guy cops can't even be as restrained as third world dictators.  The CNN thing should have gotten even more coverage. Knowing what the MPD knew about what is going on in the city and in this country, they couldn't even be bothered to let two black journalists do their job, when there were white media members all over the rough ridin' place. How many black members of the press do you think those cops saw that day, in comparison to the white media members. It wasn't some coincidence that those two guys were the ones arrested.

The media are the only things providing the checks to the cops causing havoc and destruction. God knows the districts attorney won't rough ridin' do anything about these abusive cops. All we have are cameras and potential shame from being exposed.
You make good points. I think my issue is that there's this attitude that what is happening to the press is far worse than what is happening to protestors based on the level of condemnation you see from them.

Also you have to admit the CNN sign tweet was pretty bad.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: sys on May 31, 2020, 03:42:29 PM
Splitting the Matt Hall stuff out, mocking journalists for covering the police going after journalists doesn't show what you think it does.

Journalists have covered war zones with more safety than is being provided on city streets in America. These tough guy cops can't even be as restrained as third world dictators.  The CNN thing should have gotten even more coverage. Knowing what the MPD knew about what is going on in the city and in this country, they couldn't even be bothered to let two black journalists do their job, when there were white media members all over the rough ridin' place. How many black members of the press do you think those cops saw that day, in comparison to the white media members. It wasn't some coincidence that those two guys were the ones arrested.

The media are the only things providing the checks to the cops causing havoc and destruction. God knows the districts attorney won't rough ridin' do anything about these abusive cops. All we have are cameras and potential shame from being exposed.

completely agree.  the media can slip into unattractive navel gazing at times, but it is vital that they cover these events (and everything else).  it is a huge deal that law enforcement, broadly speaking, appears to be targeting them and preventing or impeding their ability to observe and communicate the events to the public.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on May 31, 2020, 03:51:10 PM
media navel gazing

I'm keeping my thread title, but yes, that's what this thread is for.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: michigancat on May 31, 2020, 04:52:01 PM
wesley lowery hits at what I was trying to say better than I did (thread):

https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery/status/1267163200979636224

Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on May 31, 2020, 07:47:41 PM
I don't get the impression that the media thinks what is happening to them is any worse than what happens to the protesters. I actually think of the media as a whole the same way that I do the protesters. Their role in this is to tell the story of the protesters, they are right there along side of them. They're getting arrested, gassed, and assaulted just like the protesters are.

The CNN tweet was cringy, but I agree with the sentiment. I also think that the media gets undue crap and not enough credit for doing good, this was before they had to deal with the orange ape and his fake news army. The fact that they're always being mocked, from all sides, probably has a bit to do with the navel gazing.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on May 31, 2020, 07:48:07 PM
https://twitter.com/cjtackett/status/1267065710540455936
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on May 31, 2020, 08:30:24 PM
https://twitter.com/CyrusBeschloss/status/1267264232967548929
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on May 31, 2020, 08:34:22 PM
https://twitter.com/RachelSB/status/1267260438900867074
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2020, 12:00:14 AM
Yahh Violence!!

https://twitter.com/SimoneEli_TV/status/1267313721723858949?s=20

Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: sys on June 01, 2020, 12:02:08 AM
garrett haake (good dude) gets hit by a police projectile (he later said he thought it was a bean bag or something, not one of the rubber bullets). this is kind of a funny clip, but i've seen a couple of photos on twitter of people who have apparently lost an eye or lost vision in an eye from rubber bullets.

https://twitter.com/getti_hulahoops/status/1267293389860384768

Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: bucket on June 01, 2020, 12:09:56 AM
https://twitter.com/JimNelsonTV/status/1267246200102760450
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: nicname on June 01, 2020, 12:12:10 AM
delete
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Spracne on June 01, 2020, 12:13:41 AM
garrett haake (good dude) gets hit by a police projectile (he later said he thought it was a bean bag or something, not one of the rubber bullets). this is kind of a funny clip, but i've seen a couple of photos on twitter of people who have apparently lost an eye or lost vision in an eye from rubber bullets.

https://twitter.com/getti_hulahoops/status/1267293389860384768
Lol. That is pretty funny.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: DQ12 on June 01, 2020, 12:14:24 AM
Yeah I definitely do not envy the journos in the middle of this crap.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2020, 12:16:16 AM
Apparently a rare incident of gun play in BHAM

https://twitter.com/BrittanyDtvNews/status/1267321985475936257?s=20
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on June 01, 2020, 12:24:51 AM
https://twitter.com/MaliqueRankin/status/1267319709265022977
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on June 01, 2020, 08:55:41 AM
https://twitter.com/chrispalmernba/status/1267339163805728770

:lol:

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nba/news/espn-nba-reporter-tweets-george-floyd-protests/1eefhr1gpdx791oxlllizoun9i
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: sys on June 01, 2020, 02:35:06 PM
not good.

https://twitter.com/BresPolitico/status/1267513147604295682
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on June 01, 2020, 09:23:23 PM
My God, I wasn't prepared for how 100% awful that dudes tweets are. Also I've literally been reading NBA stories since ESPN started a website and I've never heard of that dude.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: sys on June 01, 2020, 11:57:56 PM
https://twitter.com/7NewsAustralia/status/1267680496965697536
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 12:34:58 AM


https://twitter.com/7NewsAustralia/status/1267680496965697536

I mean, our president should be doing the same for this and hundreds of other cases that have been filmed in the last five days. At the very least governors and mayors should
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on June 02, 2020, 01:26:22 AM
How in the eff did we miss this?
https://twitter.com/GuthrieGF/status/1266552085870493697
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: catastrophe on June 02, 2020, 09:09:12 AM
Wow those guys are idiots
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: 8manpick on June 02, 2020, 09:09:55 AM
How in the eff did we miss this?
https://twitter.com/GuthrieGF/status/1266552085870493697
That cop should be in jail for years
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: star seed 7 on June 02, 2020, 10:30:48 AM
https://twitter.com/brett_mcgurk/status/1267662905383596032

View from the cameraman assaulted in DC last night
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on June 02, 2020, 03:24:30 PM
This dumb wench writes for the Washington Examiner

https://twitter.com/ewufortheloss/status/1267539200846389249
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on June 02, 2020, 03:26:25 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: star seed 7 on June 02, 2020, 07:50:08 PM
https://twitter.com/uspresstracker/status/1267780353332314114

This account = this thread. The pinned tweet is a running tally of incidents.

https://twitter.com/uspresstracker/status/1267939824461328384
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on June 02, 2020, 09:36:59 PM
https://twitter.com/uspresstracker/status/1267780353332314114


BTW this was 24 hours after Des Moines cops were doing that fake take a knee crap. The officers have generally been good here but the two days they have really gone crazy is when the protesters gathered at the state capitol building, which is what happened here.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on June 02, 2020, 09:44:53 PM
BREAKING!!!
https://twitter.com/byAustinMeek/status/1267982743453028352
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on June 02, 2020, 09:46:10 PM
https://heavy.com/news/2020/06/fiona-moriarty-mclaughlin-instagram-viral-video/
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Institutional Control on June 03, 2020, 10:29:32 AM
https://twitter.com/letsgomathias/status/1268177816526499840?s=20
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: michigancat on June 03, 2020, 10:46:18 AM
I don't know enough about journalism law to know why journalists shouldn't be arrested for doing exactly what other citizens are being arrested for
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: DQ12 on June 03, 2020, 10:48:19 AM
I don't know enough about journalism law to know why journalists shouldn't be arrested for doing exactly what other citizens are being arrested for
And in this day and age where everyone's holding a camera phone with access to twitter, I don't really know that the "journalist"/"other citizens" distinction really even meaningfully exists.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on June 03, 2020, 11:55:25 AM
I don't know enough about journalism law to know why journalists shouldn't be arrested for doing exactly what other citizens are being arrested for

No specific laws, of course the first amendment allows for freedom of speech along with freedom to assemble

I don't know enough about journalism law to know why journalists shouldn't be arrested for doing exactly what other citizens are being arrested for
And in this day and age where everyone's holding a camera phone with access to twitter, I don't really know that the "journalist"/"other citizens" distinction really even meaningfully exists.

He has a press pass, it's just another case of the NYPD acting first, asking questions somewhere else down the line, literally the opposite of what they should be doing. That journalist and the rest of the people those cops were chasing were not in the act of committing a crime. Detain first, ask questions later is exactly what's broken here.

I'll also point out that the NYPD should be questioned as to whether they are targeting media because of the scrutiny they have faced.

I'll also mention again that the police today are treating media much worse than the North Vietnamese communists during the Vietnam War.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: DQ12 on June 03, 2020, 12:25:04 PM
I don't know enough about journalism law to know why journalists shouldn't be arrested for doing exactly what other citizens are being arrested for

No specific laws, of course the first amendment allows for freedom of speech along with freedom to assemble

I don't know enough about journalism law to know why journalists shouldn't be arrested for doing exactly what other citizens are being arrested for
And in this day and age where everyone's holding a camera phone with access to twitter, I don't really know that the "journalist"/"other citizens" distinction really even meaningfully exists.

He has a press pass, it's just another case of the NYPD acting first, asking questions somewhere else down the line, literally the opposite of what they should be doing. That journalist and the rest of the people those cops were chasing were not in the act of committing a crime. Detain first, ask questions later is exactly what's broken here.

I'll also point out that the NYPD should be questioned as to whether they are targeting media because of the scrutiny they have faced.

I'll also mention again that the police today are treating media much worse than the North Vietnamese communists during the Vietnam War.
Yeah all I'm saying (really just wondering about -- haven't thought about it very much) is that using "I'm media!" as a distinct shield in 2020 doesn't make a lot of sense to me.  I'm not excusing what the cops did (to the media or anyone else) at all, I just don't know why a camera guy for CNN should have any more protection or freedom than some guy holding up a phone.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: michigancat on June 03, 2020, 12:29:46 PM
I'm more looking at it that if journalists shouldn't be harassed and beat up and arrested then all the other citizens shouldn't either

(Directed at MiR)
Title: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: catastrophe on June 03, 2020, 12:32:42 PM
I think at a bare minimum you should be entitled to a presumption you’re not any kind of a threat if you’re at a protest repping a major media outlet.

Should be much easier to prove a claim of excessive use of force if you’re a media member displaying credentials.

For rando dudes holding phones, cops would have a much easier time arguing they thought the person was about to attack or some BS like that.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on June 03, 2020, 12:40:54 PM
Who issues press credentials for gathering/protest/riot coverage?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: DQ12 on June 03, 2020, 02:04:10 PM
Who issues press credentials for gathering/protest/riot coverage?
My understanding is that Kenny Lanaou issues press credentials for everything.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on June 03, 2020, 02:14:14 PM
Who issues press credentials for gathering/protest/riot coverage?
My understanding is that Kenny Lanaou issues press credentials for everything.

I was thinking of exactly that when I asked. :lol:

Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on June 03, 2020, 06:55:50 PM
https://twitter.com/JJusseroKIRO7/status/1268316485438472193
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: sys on June 03, 2020, 10:31:53 PM
good headline.

https://twitter.com/markberman/status/1268368940620791809
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on June 04, 2020, 01:33:38 AM
No one thinks the media should not be subjected to more freedoms that any other citizen. Did that really need to be said? When you are hearing these men and women say "I'm media" it's much easier to say that than "Hey, I'm here for my job, someone else is requiring me to be here. I need my job. I like eating and paying my bills. Please don't shoot, gas, beat, or arrest me, I'm working, just like you are."
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: chum1 on June 04, 2020, 07:10:07 AM
https://twitter.com/MelissainJax/status/1268307717241753600
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on June 04, 2020, 12:26:26 PM
https://twitter.com/MelissainJax/status/1268307717241753600

Quote
The world's five deadliest countries for journalists include three — India, Mexico and, for the first time, the United States — where journalists were killed in cold blood, even though those countries weren't at war or in conflict, the group said.

"The hatred of journalists that is voiced ... by unscrupulous politicians, religious leaders and businessmen has tragic consequences on the ground, and has been reflected in this disturbing increase in violations against journalists," Secretary-General Christophe Deloire said in a statement.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: DQ12 on June 04, 2020, 02:00:48 PM
https://twitter.com/MelissainJax/status/1268307717241753600
That article is a year and a half old. 

From the referenced report in the article:

Quote
The United States joined the ranks of the world’s deadliest countries for the media this
year, with a total of six journalists killed. Four journalists were among the five employees
of the Capital Gazette, a local newspaper in Annapolis, Maryland, who were killed on
28 June when a man walked in and opened fire with a shotgun. He had been harassing
the newspaper for six years on Twitter about a 2011 article that named him. It was the
deadliest attack on a media outlet in the US in modern history. Two other journalists, a
local TV anchor and cameraman, were killed by a falling tree while covering Subtropical
Storm Alberto’s extreme weather in North Carolina in May.
https://rsf.org/sites/default/files/worldwilde_round-up.pdf

smh
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on June 04, 2020, 02:09:26 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: DQ12 on June 04, 2020, 02:19:29 PM
The time has come for America to stop falling trees from 2018's subtropical storm Alberto.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: chum1 on June 04, 2020, 10:34:26 PM
Apparently, everyone gets their turn.

https://twitter.com/jangelooff/status/1268703137424121857
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on June 05, 2020, 03:09:49 PM
https://twitter.com/MelissainJax/status/1268307717241753600
That article is a year and a half old. 

From the referenced report in the article:

Quote
The United States joined the ranks of the world’s deadliest countries for the media this
year, with a total of six journalists killed. Four journalists were among the five employees
of the Capital Gazette, a local newspaper in Annapolis, Maryland, who were killed on
28 June when a man walked in and opened fire with a shotgun. He had been harassing
the newspaper for six years on Twitter about a 2011 article that named him. It was the
deadliest attack on a media outlet in the US in modern history. Two other journalists, a
local TV anchor and cameraman, were killed by a falling tree while covering Subtropical
Storm Alberto’s extreme weather in North Carolina in May.
https://rsf.org/sites/default/files/worldwilde_round-up.pdf

smh

I know how old the article was, I just found it interesting for the thread, it's not like there's been a new found adoration for the media since 2018. The dudes falling out of the tree is tragic and hilarious.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on June 05, 2020, 03:11:57 PM
Apparently, everyone gets their turn.

https://twitter.com/jangelooff/status/1268703137424121857

NYPD, weird, they're never unhinged.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on July 25, 2020, 01:09:08 PM
:lol:

https://twitter.com/PacNWGuild/status/1286818103557382145

Here's the actual subpoena.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7006585-Subpoena-Duces-Tecum-Seattle-Times-Company-Et-Al.html
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on July 25, 2020, 01:39:06 PM
I'm not going to read a 21 page subpoena, so you're going to have to tell me what's funny about that press release. This seems to be a very clear first amendment infringement.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: catastrophe on July 25, 2020, 01:44:34 PM
Looks like the subpoena is for relevant photos and videos in their possession. Not sure how that implicates the first amendment.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on July 25, 2020, 01:48:08 PM
The request is for footage that exists over the course of 90 minutes within 2 square blocks that could solve the remaining mysteries of an arson and stolen firearms, and the Judge (with knowledge of the first amendment) granted it.

So now press releases like that and other virtual journalism lawn orgies are happening.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: catastrophe on July 25, 2020, 01:52:46 PM
Not that I think the subpoena undermines the press release. I just think the position is kind of ridiculous that just because you’re a journalist you shouldn’t have to provide helpful documents that anyone else would be required to provide.

This isn’t an instance of going after confidential sources of information. MAYBE the photos and videos show identities of informants but that’s not what the press release says.

They should just publicly post the raw footage. Seems much more in line with their mission as journalists.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on July 25, 2020, 02:03:44 PM
So we're to the point where owning the bloggers is more important than the media's need to cover stories without the cops scouring their footage and notes to find "criminals." There's no Pandora's Box potential here at all. Trim, you used to be a prosecutor, right?

https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2020/seattle-times-judge-subpoena-protest-police/
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on July 25, 2020, 02:08:02 PM
So we're to the point where owning the bloggers is more important than the media's need to cover stories without the cops scouring their footage and notes to find "criminals." There's no Pandora's Box potential here at all. Trim, you used to be a prosecutor, right?

https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2020/seattle-times-judge-subpoena-protest-police/

All of the quotes that journalism school student put together in your link and that it was presented that way at all in the link, are more examples of the things I'm lol'n at.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: catastrophe on July 25, 2020, 02:17:41 PM
Yeah, their point is that people might attack journalists if they knew the journalists would have to give over their footage in a criminal investigation? And that is why the First Amendment is at risk?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on July 25, 2020, 02:18:31 PM
So we're to the point where owning the bloggers is more important than the media's need to cover stories without the cops scouring their footage and notes to find "criminals." There's no Pandora's Box potential here at all. Trim, you used to be a prosecutor, right?

https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2020/seattle-times-judge-subpoena-protest-police/

All of the quotes that journalism school student put together in your link and that it was presented that way at all in the link, are more examples of the things I'm lol'n at.

Those quotes are from three different attorneys and none from journalists. Maybe move this to the prosecutors who will let the cops do whatever they want despite the pleas from constitutionalists thread?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on July 25, 2020, 02:28:35 PM
So we're to the point where owning the bloggers is more important than the media's need to cover stories without the cops scouring their footage and notes to find "criminals." There's no Pandora's Box potential here at all. Trim, you used to be a prosecutor, right?

https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2020/seattle-times-judge-subpoena-protest-police/

All of the quotes that journalism school student put together in your link and that it was presented that way at all in the link, are more examples of the things I'm lol'n at.

Those quotes are from three different attorneys and none from journalists. Maybe move this to the prosecutors who will let the cops do whatever they want despite the pleas from constitutionalists thread?

Maybe four!  Not sure about Frank.

Quote
Madeline Lamo, a media litigation fellow for the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press

Frank LoMonte, the director for the Brechner Center for Freedom of Information at the University of Florida

Eric Stahl, the attorney representing the five news outlets

NPPA general counsel Mickey Osterreicher

And it's quite an argument they've presented to constituent media types.  But in the real world and particularly in court, it's lol ridiculous, the court part being especially relevant to attorneys.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on July 25, 2020, 02:51:34 PM
So we're to the point where owning the bloggers is more important than the media's need to cover stories without the cops scouring their footage and notes to find "criminals." There's no Pandora's Box potential here at all. Trim, you used to be a prosecutor, right?

https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2020/seattle-times-judge-subpoena-protest-police/

All of the quotes that journalism school student put together in your link and that it was presented that way at all in the link, are more examples of the things I'm lol'n at.

Those quotes are from three different attorneys and none from journalists. Maybe move this to the prosecutors who will let the cops do whatever they want despite the pleas from constitutionalists thread?

Maybe four!  Not sure about Frank.

Quote
Madeline Lamo, a media litigation fellow for the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press

Frank LoMonte, the director for the Brechner Center for Freedom of Information at the University of Florida

Eric Stahl, the attorney representing the five news outlets

NPPA general counsel Mickey Osterreicher

And it's quite an argument they've presented to constituent media types.  But in the real world and particularly in court, it's lol ridiculous, the court part being especially relevant to attorneys.

So how do you propose this goes down?

Cops: Hey Seattle media, we want to solve some crimes and our investigation has hit a snag, give us your video and photos.
Times, KIRO, KING, KOMO: uh, isn't there a shield law that protects us from giving that to you?
Cops: We're the cops, rough ridin' give it to us.
Media: uh wait. Lawyers, do we have to do this
Media Attorneys: sure why not, give it to them, give them whatever they need, it should be fine, the cops won't overreach at all.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Spracne on July 25, 2020, 02:58:17 PM
This isn't some sort of novel concept. It's a subpoena, like any other.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Justwin on July 25, 2020, 03:08:14 PM
So we're to the point where owning the bloggers is more important than the media's need to cover stories without the cops scouring their footage and notes to find "criminals." There's no Pandora's Box potential here at all. Trim, you used to be a prosecutor, right?

https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2020/seattle-times-judge-subpoena-protest-police/

All of the quotes that journalism school student put together in your link and that it was presented that way at all in the link, are more examples of the things I'm lol'n at.

Those quotes are from three different attorneys and none from journalists. Maybe move this to the prosecutors who will let the cops do whatever they want despite the pleas from constitutionalists thread?

Maybe four!  Not sure about Frank.

Quote
Madeline Lamo, a media litigation fellow for the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press

Frank LoMonte, the director for the Brechner Center for Freedom of Information at the University of Florida

Eric Stahl, the attorney representing the five news outlets

NPPA general counsel Mickey Osterreicher

And it's quite an argument they've presented to constituent media types.  But in the real world and particularly in court, it's lol ridiculous, the court part being especially relevant to attorneys.

So how do you propose this goes down?

Cops: Hey Seattle media, we want to solve some crimes and our investigation has hit a snag, give us your video and photos.
Times, KIRO, KING, KOMO: uh, isn't there a shield law that protects us from giving that to you?
Cops: We're the cops, rough ridin' give it to us.
Media: uh wait. Lawyers, do we have to do this
Media Attorneys: sure why not, give it to them, give them whatever they need, it should be fine, the cops won't overreach at all.

You sure seem to think the First Amendment is important.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on July 25, 2020, 03:28:27 PM
So we're to the point where owning the bloggers is more important than the media's need to cover stories without the cops scouring their footage and notes to find "criminals." There's no Pandora's Box potential here at all. Trim, you used to be a prosecutor, right?

https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2020/seattle-times-judge-subpoena-protest-police/

All of the quotes that journalism school student put together in your link and that it was presented that way at all in the link, are more examples of the things I'm lol'n at.

Those quotes are from three different attorneys and none from journalists. Maybe move this to the prosecutors who will let the cops do whatever they want despite the pleas from constitutionalists thread?

Maybe four!  Not sure about Frank.

Quote
Madeline Lamo, a media litigation fellow for the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press

Frank LoMonte, the director for the Brechner Center for Freedom of Information at the University of Florida

Eric Stahl, the attorney representing the five news outlets

NPPA general counsel Mickey Osterreicher

And it's quite an argument they've presented to constituent media types.  But in the real world and particularly in court, it's lol ridiculous, the court part being especially relevant to attorneys.

So how do you propose this goes down?

Cops: Hey Seattle media, we want to solve some crimes and our investigation has hit a snag, give us your video and photos.
Times, KIRO, KING, KOMO: uh, isn't there a shield law that protects us from giving that to you?
Cops: We're the cops, rough ridin' give it to us.
Media: uh wait. Lawyers, do we have to do this
Media Attorneys: sure why not, give it to them, give them whatever they need, it should be fine, the cops won't overreach at all.

You sure seem to think the First Amendment is important.

lol, when did I indicate that it wasn't? Don't be dense, literally every single person in this county values the first amendment. You think I don't because I interpret it differently than you do? That's MAGA as eff. It's a nebulous 45 word passage created 230 years ago when it was legal to own slaves, there are thousands if not millions of ways to interpret it.

I don't think it should be used as a shield for people who intend on terrorizing people, how very unamerican of me.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on July 25, 2020, 03:32:03 PM
So we're to the point where owning the bloggers is more important than the media's need to cover stories without the cops scouring their footage and notes to find "criminals." There's no Pandora's Box potential here at all. Trim, you used to be a prosecutor, right?

https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2020/seattle-times-judge-subpoena-protest-police/

All of the quotes that journalism school student put together in your link and that it was presented that way at all in the link, are more examples of the things I'm lol'n at.

Those quotes are from three different attorneys and none from journalists. Maybe move this to the prosecutors who will let the cops do whatever they want despite the pleas from constitutionalists thread?

Maybe four!  Not sure about Frank.

Quote
Madeline Lamo, a media litigation fellow for the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press

Frank LoMonte, the director for the Brechner Center for Freedom of Information at the University of Florida

Eric Stahl, the attorney representing the five news outlets

NPPA general counsel Mickey Osterreicher

And it's quite an argument they've presented to constituent media types.  But in the real world and particularly in court, it's lol ridiculous, the court part being especially relevant to attorneys.

So how do you propose this goes down?

Cops: Hey Seattle media, we want to solve some crimes and our investigation has hit a snag, give us your video and photos.
Times, KIRO, KING, KOMO: uh, isn't there a shield law that protects us from giving that to you?
Cops: We're the cops, rough ridin' give it to us.
Media: uh wait. Lawyers, do we have to do this
Media Attorneys: sure why not, give it to them, give them whatever they need, it should be fine, the cops won't overreach at all.

Not quite.

Cops: Well, eff. The piece we need might be in the hands of Times, KIRO, KING, KOMO.  We're gonna need to request a subpoena from the court.
Court: [reviews subpoena].  Yep, this is narrow enough and meets all the criteria, granted.
Media: [upon getting subpoena and deciding to extrapolate it to some ingrained principle] We don't want to obey this, let's talk to lawyers.
Media attorneys: [reviewing and knowing it's a loser but whatever, this isn't a contingency case] Yeah, we'll take your case and argue to court and also argue in the press
Media and media attorneys: [upon losing] let's keep making a thing of this, which is easy as we are the entity that informs people
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on July 25, 2020, 03:38:18 PM
So we're to the point where owning the bloggers is more important than the media's need to cover stories without the cops scouring their footage and notes to find "criminals." There's no Pandora's Box potential here at all. Trim, you used to be a prosecutor, right?

https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2020/seattle-times-judge-subpoena-protest-police/

All of the quotes that journalism school student put together in your link and that it was presented that way at all in the link, are more examples of the things I'm lol'n at.

Those quotes are from three different attorneys and none from journalists. Maybe move this to the prosecutors who will let the cops do whatever they want despite the pleas from constitutionalists thread?

Maybe four!  Not sure about Frank.

Quote
Madeline Lamo, a media litigation fellow for the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press

Frank LoMonte, the director for the Brechner Center for Freedom of Information at the University of Florida

Eric Stahl, the attorney representing the five news outlets

NPPA general counsel Mickey Osterreicher

And it's quite an argument they've presented to constituent media types.  But in the real world and particularly in court, it's lol ridiculous, the court part being especially relevant to attorneys.

So how do you propose this goes down?

Cops: Hey Seattle media, we want to solve some crimes and our investigation has hit a snag, give us your video and photos.
Times, KIRO, KING, KOMO: uh, isn't there a shield law that protects us from giving that to you?
Cops: We're the cops, rough ridin' give it to us.
Media: uh wait. Lawyers, do we have to do this
Media Attorneys: sure why not, give it to them, give them whatever they need, it should be fine, the cops won't overreach at all.

Not quite.

Cops: Well, eff. The piece we need might be in the hands of Times, KIRO, KING, KOMO.  We're gonna need to request a subpoena from the court.
Court: [reviews subpoena].  Yep, this is narrow enough and meets all the criteria, granted.
Media: [upon getting subpoena and deciding to extrapolate it to some ingrained principle] We don't want to obey this, let's talk to lawyers.
Media attorneys: [reviewing and knowing it's a loser but whatever, this isn't a contingency case] Yeah, we'll take your case and argue to court and also argue in the press
Media and media attorneys: [upon losing] let's keep making a thing of this, which is easy as we are the entity that informs people

So your contention isn't that they shouldn't have fought for their right to keep the photos and videos protected, but after they lost the ruling they shouldn't have been worried/pissed about it?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on July 25, 2020, 03:45:27 PM
So your contention isn't that they shouldn't have fought for their right to keep the photos and videos protected, but after they lost the ruling they shouldn't have been worried/pissed about it?

To some extent I think it was a waste of time and/or disingenuous and borderline unethical to fight the subpoena, but yes, my original post today is much more so about the post-loss media blitz. 

There's a similar effect though from both.  What they've argued both to the Court and now about the Court's ruling is so ridiculous when you actually look at the facts of this case hurts their credibility, to me, in any future arguments that may have much more legitimacy.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on July 25, 2020, 03:47:21 PM
So your contention isn't that they shouldn't have fought for their right to keep the photos and videos protected, but after they lost the ruling they shouldn't have been worried/pissed about it?

To some extent I think it was a waste of time and/or disingenuous and borderline unethical to fight the subpoena, but yes, my original post today is much more so about the post-loss media blitz. 

There's a similar effect though from both.  What they've argued both to the Court and now about the Court's ruling is so ridiculous when you actually look at the facts of this case hurts their credibility, to me, in any future arguments that may have much more legitimacy.

So where do you stand with the media covering other entities who lost judgments in court?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on July 25, 2020, 03:50:59 PM
So your contention isn't that they shouldn't have fought for their right to keep the photos and videos protected, but after they lost the ruling they shouldn't have been worried/pissed about it?

To some extent I think it was a waste of time and/or disingenuous and borderline unethical to fight the subpoena, but yes, my original post today is much more so about the post-loss media blitz. 

There's a similar effect though from both.  What they've argued both to the Court and now about the Court's ruling is so ridiculous when you actually look at the facts of this case hurts their credibility, to me, in any future arguments that may have much more legitimacy.

So where do you stand with the media covering other entities who lost judgments in court?

I'll look at an example, but generally #coverage of a court case involving parties that don't have any connections to the coverage'r will include the full perspectives and arguments each side made and the rationale the court used in making its ruling.  And then there'll usually be statements from both sides about their satisfaction or dissatisfaction with the result.  And that's all fine.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on July 25, 2020, 04:19:32 PM
So your contention isn't that they shouldn't have fought for their right to keep the photos and videos protected, but after they lost the ruling they shouldn't have been worried/pissed about it?

To some extent I think it was a waste of time and/or disingenuous and borderline unethical to fight the subpoena, but yes, my original post today is much more so about the post-loss media blitz. 

There's a similar effect though from both.  What they've argued both to the Court and now about the Court's ruling is so ridiculous when you actually look at the facts of this case hurts their credibility, to me, in any future arguments that may have much more legitimacy.

So where do you stand with the media covering other entities who lost judgments in court?

I'll look at an example, but generally #coverage of a court case involving parties that don't have any connections to the coverage'r will include the full perspectives and arguments each side made and the rationale the court used in making its ruling.  And then there'll usually be statements from both sides about their satisfaction or dissatisfaction with the result.  And that's all fine.

So the media can't cover the media?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on July 25, 2020, 04:27:00 PM
So your contention isn't that they shouldn't have fought for their right to keep the photos and videos protected, but after they lost the ruling they shouldn't have been worried/pissed about it?

To some extent I think it was a waste of time and/or disingenuous and borderline unethical to fight the subpoena, but yes, my original post today is much more so about the post-loss media blitz. 

There's a similar effect though from both.  What they've argued both to the Court and now about the Court's ruling is so ridiculous when you actually look at the facts of this case hurts their credibility, to me, in any future arguments that may have much more legitimacy.

So where do you stand with the media covering other entities who lost judgments in court?

I'll look at an example, but generally #coverage of a court case involving parties that don't have any connections to the coverage'r will include the full perspectives and arguments each side made and the rationale the court used in making its ruling.  And then there'll usually be statements from both sides about their satisfaction or dissatisfaction with the result.  And that's all fine.

So the media can't cover the media?

As we see all the time, not very well!
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on July 25, 2020, 04:35:39 PM
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Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 25, 2020, 05:08:53 PM
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Oh my I haven’t seen this one before :love: :love: :love:
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on July 25, 2020, 05:12:05 PM
gif

What's moved?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on July 25, 2020, 06:21:17 PM
T’s & P’s.

https://twitter.com/choeshow/status/1287146902484480000

https://twitter.com/choeshow/status/1287157934690983936
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on July 25, 2020, 07:35:29 PM
T’s & P’s.

https://twitter.com/choeshow/status/1287146902484480000

https://twitter.com/choeshow/status/1287157934690983936

The cops are now allowed to take camera footage from the networks, this is the inevitable result. Who the eff wants to be on camera now that the footage can be used to arrest you, or to pressure you to snitch on someone else. The cops got what they really wanted and it was for the Seattle media to cover protests and riots less. Exactly what we all need. Grats on owning the media though.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on July 25, 2020, 07:38:33 PM
The premise of this entire thread is really rough ridin' stupid. Mock the media actually out documenting the protests while we're at home doing jack crap. Co-oping trump to own the bloggers. Hot crap.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on July 25, 2020, 07:40:15 PM
The cops got what they really wanted and it was for the Seattle media to cover protests and riots less. Exactly what we all need.

Didn't work.

https://komonews.com/watch
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Spracne on July 25, 2020, 08:03:16 PM
The premise of this entire thread is really rough ridin' stupid. Mock the media actually out documenting the protests while we're at home doing jack crap. Co-oping trump to own the bloggers. Hot crap.

(https://images.axios.com/gcutfJYbL46WDQfxWNB4qB3Ir30=/fit-in/1920x1920/2020/05/11/1589206235552.gif)
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on July 25, 2020, 08:36:59 PM
The cops got what they really wanted and it was for the Seattle media to cover protests and riots less. Exactly what we all need.

Didn't work.

https://komonews.com/watch

Yeah, wait until one of those camera people get assaulted by someone who doesn't want to be on camera. Then other media members can talk about media members getting their asses kicked. The cops can use that footage to arrest people and you get more content for your thread. Navel gazing! Everyone wins.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: bucket on July 25, 2020, 08:42:32 PM
The cops got what they really wanted and it was for the Seattle media to cover protests and riots less. Exactly what we all need.

Didn't work.

https://komonews.com/watch

And here we are

Yeah, wait until one of those camera people get assaulted by someone who doesn't want to be on camera. Then other media members can talk about media members getting their asses kicked. The cops can use that footage to arrest people and you get more content for your thread. Navel gazing! Everyone wins.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on July 25, 2020, 08:54:29 PM
Yeah, wait until one of those camera people get assaulted by someone who doesn't want to be on camera. Then other media members can talk about media members getting their asses kicked. The cops can use that footage to arrest people and you get more content for your thread. Navel gazing! Everyone wins.

In this hypothetical, the cops wouldn't be arresting anyone unless either 1) it happened dead smack in front of cops, maybe even snowballing into cops and thus no footage would be needed, or 2) the aggrieved victims proactively delivered their footage to the cops and demanded action taken.  There'd be no request for a subpoena, let alone granting of a subpoena for such footage. 

And yeah, I'm sure whatever principles are being stood by re: footage would be upended when those media types have an interest in seeing justice for themselves.

You should look at that 21-page subpoena and see how narrow the fact pattern really is.  It's not really 21 whole pages of reading; there's a lot of pictures that take up a bunch of space that show the Judge what the deficiencies are in the info they already have and what's needed to potentially assist with solving the crimes of arson and stealing guns*.

*and it's gotta be embarrassing for the cops to have to be solving this crime so publicly now, as the cops whose guns were stolen were/are getting investigated for why they left their guns in their cars to be stolen
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: star seed 7 on July 25, 2020, 09:20:06 PM
Are we concerned about violence against a convience store owner who complies with a subpoena to share security cam footage of a crime down the block?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Spracne on July 25, 2020, 11:07:03 PM
Are we concerned about violence against a convenience store owner who complies with a subpoena to share security cam footage of a crime down the block?

His/her First Amendment rights, tho...
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: catastrophe on July 25, 2020, 11:35:51 PM
Quote
We find this measure to be of the utmost importance, given that the free press is essential to a functioning democracy, while acknowledging the universal maxim that snitches get stitches.

-Floor debate on First Amendment
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 26, 2020, 12:01:20 AM
I haven't followed any of the discussions itt but based on the participating posters and the sequence of posts I know exactly what has happened.        :lol:
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on July 26, 2020, 03:29:35 AM
Are we concerned about violence against a convience store owner who complies with a subpoena to share security cam footage of a crime down the block?

Those two things aren't the same things though, are they? Are news cameras specifically for documenting crime like those security cameras? Are there shield laws created to protect constitutionally granted Freedom of the Quick Mart?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: star seed 7 on July 26, 2020, 11:38:03 AM
Hey man, you're the one that said they shouldn't have to comply because of fear of violence. That has nothing to do with the first amendment and I just wondered if you think the kwik-e-mart should be given the same consideration.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on July 26, 2020, 12:58:39 PM
Hey man, you're the one that said they shouldn't have to comply because of fear of violence. That has nothing to do with the first amendment and I just wondered if you think the kwik-e-mart should be given the same consideration.

I didn't say that's why they shouldn't comply, however It is a high potential consequence of the ruling.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: DQ12 on July 26, 2020, 02:09:05 PM
I don’t really understand the rationale behind protecting video/photographic footage taken in public.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Spracne on July 26, 2020, 04:53:00 PM
There is zero expectation of privacy in public. How is it any different than the hundreds of camera phones capturing video?

Sounds like Trump's bogus "executive privilege" defense to everything. Just because the press and the Executive sometimes have special privileges does not mean they are entirely exempt from complying with legal process.

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Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on July 26, 2020, 08:50:30 PM
I don’t really understand the rationale behind protecting video/photographic footage taken in public.

The issue isn't about the right of privacy of those photographed in public, the issue/problem is what you feel like is and what should be protected information gathered by the media. The fear of media attorneys and watch dog groups is if this is allowed, what's to stop the police from getting information about a source if that source said something publicly, or wherever these slippery slope conversations end up. The media, like attorneys, clergy, doctors, counselors, etc. receive privileged information. There are plenty of people who think that unreleased footage should fall under that privileged umbrella.

The fact that it happened publicly shouldn't make any difference. Even though it happened in public, that doesn't mean the cops are entitled to have it. Their investigations shouldn't entail shaking down media, counselors, etc. If a client told an attorney privileged information in a coffee shop, should that information be available to be subpoenaed because there was a chance that the guy cleaning the tables may have heard what was said?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: DQ12 on July 26, 2020, 09:48:26 PM
I don’t really understand the rationale behind protecting video/photographic footage taken in public.

The issue isn't about the right of privacy of those photographed in public, the issue/problem is what you feel like is and what should be protected information gathered by the media. The fear of media attorneys and watch dog groups is if this is allowed, what's to stop the police from getting information about a source if that source said something publicly, or wherever these slippery slope conversations end up. The media, like attorneys, clergy, doctors, counselors, etc. receive privileged information. There are plenty of people who think that unreleased footage should fall under that privileged umbrella.

The fact that it happened publicly shouldn't make any difference. Even though it happened in public, that doesn't mean the cops are entitled to have it. Their investigations shouldn't entail shaking down media, counselors, etc. If a client told an attorney privileged information in a coffee shop, should that information be available to be subpoenaed because there was a chance that the guy cleaning the tables may have heard what was said?
The answer to the bolded question is "the legislature and the rules of discovery/evidence in the subject jurisdiction."

If you want, I'm happy to point out the distinctions between the coffee shop legal counsel and a journalist having still images of individuals in public.  Though this is a wild example, I don't think a lawyer would be protected by any privilege if asked: "Did you, on the evening of July 26, 2020, see your client on Main Street throw a molotov cocktail."  I think that's the better analogy.

Revealing a confidential source or sharing off the record material are bright lines that don't really lend themselves to slippery slopes, imo.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Spracne on July 26, 2020, 10:18:56 PM
I don’t really understand the rationale behind protecting video/photographic footage taken in public.

The issue isn't about the right of privacy of those photographed in public, the issue/problem is what you feel like is and what should be protected information gathered by the media. The fear of media attorneys and watch dog groups is if this is allowed, what's to stop the police from getting information about a source if that source said something publicly, or wherever these slippery slope conversations end up. The media, like attorneys, clergy, doctors, counselors, etc. receive privileged information. There are plenty of people who think that unreleased footage should fall under that privileged umbrella.

The fact that it happened publicly shouldn't make any difference. Even though it happened in public, that doesn't mean the cops are entitled to have it. Their investigations shouldn't entail shaking down media, counselors, etc. If a client told an attorney privileged information in a coffee shop, should that information be available to be subpoenaed because there was a chance that the guy cleaning the tables may have heard what was said?
The answer to the bolded question is "the legislature and the rules of discovery/evidence in the subject jurisdiction."

If you want, I'm happy to point out the distinctions between the coffee shop legal counsel and a journalist having still images of individuals in public.  Though this is a wild example, I don't think a lawyer would be protected by any privilege if asked: "Did you, on the evening of July 26, 2020, see your client on Main Street throw a molotov cocktail."  I think that's the better analogy.

Revealing a confidential source or sharing off the record material are bright lines that don't really lend themselves to slippery slopes, imo.

Plus, you could just subpoena the busboy... The privilege disappears if you share those communications publicly.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on July 27, 2020, 10:27:49 AM
i would fire the crap out of my attorney if i was like "i have sensitive information i need to discuss w/ you" and the response i got was "understood. let's meet in a coffee shop with lots of people to discuss this matter that could be very damaging to you if this information was obtained by the wrong people"
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: catastrophe on July 27, 2020, 11:38:49 AM
Law firms, btw, get subpoenaed for client documents all the time. It’s really not that hard for the law to distinguish between stuff that is protected and stuff that is simply in a protected person’s possession.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on August 16, 2020, 09:07:27 AM
https://twitter.com/sulliview/status/1294591652988944384
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Institutional Control on September 24, 2020, 11:53:03 AM
https://twitter.com/dhookstead/status/1309139517094408194?s=20
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: steve dave on September 24, 2020, 12:36:30 PM
lmao

https://twitter.com/KT_So_It_Goes/status/1309172196141666305
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Institutional Control on September 24, 2020, 02:24:44 PM
THIS ISN'T CHINA!
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on September 24, 2020, 02:41:43 PM
THIS ISN'T CHINA!

Yet! (dax)
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Institutional Control on September 24, 2020, 06:40:30 PM
https://twitter.com/shelbytalcott/status/1309261838039871488?s=21.


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Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on September 28, 2020, 05:52:56 PM
https://www.q13fox.com/news/brandi-kruse-youre-paying-people-to-play-obstructionist
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on October 15, 2020, 09:40:28 PM
https://twitter.com/AnnieLinskey/status/1316886692142436352
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: wetwillie on October 15, 2020, 10:18:42 PM
Only thing missing is a hand written please take 1 note
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Tobias on October 16, 2020, 01:04:13 AM
top notch main administrating :emawkid:
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on October 16, 2020, 05:18:41 AM
Who was begging for free food and from whom were they begging?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: steve dave on October 19, 2020, 01:23:31 PM
WHO AMONGST US....


https://twitter.com/jason_koebler/status/1318252755601870849


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Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MadCat on October 19, 2020, 01:42:39 PM
Did he complete the full helicopter?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: star seed 7 on October 19, 2020, 01:44:26 PM
"I thought the camera was muted"

Old people, lmao
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 19, 2020, 01:52:27 PM
I don't understand why you would pull your dick out if you thought the camera was off.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: star seed 7 on October 19, 2020, 01:54:30 PM
I don't understand why you would pull your dick out if you thought the camera was off.

(https://external-preview.redd.it/vWy2XgMMiDZZXkma8Rlsf25Im-_mKVJhChxu07KMZtg.jpg?auto=webp&s=838317d17d377d8a559137db0014927dcc4c07a4)
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Brock Landers on October 19, 2020, 02:10:31 PM
He took IT out??  We're gonna need Phil Titola's expertise on this one.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on October 19, 2020, 03:02:14 PM
Hero or persecuted?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Woogy on October 19, 2020, 03:25:44 PM
He took IT out??  We're gonna need Phil Titola's expertise on this one.

 :thumbsup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzU6_3GqbFo

Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on October 19, 2020, 04:46:31 PM
WHO AMONGST US....


https://twitter.com/jason_koebler/status/1318252755601870849


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Oh my god, the only thing more mortifying than being caught beating off is it becoming public. Now he has to take time off to handle personal issues, for jacking off.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: steve dave on October 19, 2020, 06:04:45 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201019/ee39e8d4f0062a97079c356fc6352132.jpg)


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Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: star seed 7 on October 19, 2020, 06:07:10 PM
lol
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on October 19, 2020, 08:35:17 PM
https://twitter.com/TheRealOJ32/status/1318348497272238080
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on October 20, 2020, 03:15:22 PM
https://twitter.com/TheRealOJ32/status/1318348497272238080

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1318372691112579072

Apparently anti-Semitic q-coon, Larry Johnson was caping up for OJ in response to this tweet but he deleted it.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: wetwillie on October 20, 2020, 07:29:26 PM
I wish I knew what that means
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on October 20, 2020, 08:26:05 PM
I wish I knew what that means

What isn't clear?
Jeff Toobin beat off during a zoom call.
OJ Simpson is a murderer, mocking Jeff Toobin because Toobin has spent 25 years calling OJ a murderer.
Jake Tapper reminded OJ that he killed two people and he should shut up
Washed up former running back Larry Johnson, who hates Jews, sells out black people, and often spreads conspiracy theories from QAnon, took up for OJ Simpson before deleting the tweet.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: wetwillie on October 20, 2020, 08:56:34 PM
Well that is much easier to follow
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Spracne on October 22, 2020, 10:30:58 AM
Not sure if real, but I'm enjoying digesting the various facial expressions.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: steve dave on October 22, 2020, 10:32:14 AM
Not sure if real, but I'm enjoying digesting the various facial expressions.

same on both points for me
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: michigancat on October 22, 2020, 10:35:23 AM
I think you guys were sure it wasn't real

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_CYjT16Ou8&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: steve dave on October 22, 2020, 10:38:12 AM
SAD! I'll delete
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on October 22, 2020, 11:37:11 AM
crap, what did we miss? Did someone release the video of ol boy choking his chicken?

Funny video, rusty
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: steve dave on October 22, 2020, 11:45:50 AM
crap, what did we miss? Did someone release the video of ol boy choking his chicken?

Funny video, rusty

twitter was running with an alleged screenshot of him but it was a doctored up screenshot of that video
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: mocat on November 16, 2020, 10:25:47 AM
https://twitter.com/rachelnpr/status/1328324427210252288?s=19
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on November 16, 2020, 02:27:09 PM
https://twitter.com/rachelnpr/status/1328324427210252288?s=19

lol, merge with wife of lineman posts
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: _33 on November 17, 2020, 04:27:10 PM
Journalists wearing "Journalism Matters" masks are incredibly obnoxious.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on November 17, 2020, 05:27:57 PM
Journalists wearing "Journalism Matters" masks are incredibly obnoxious.

Probably wouldn't be necessary if the POTUS and all of his drones didn't spend the last 5 years attempting, literally daily, to delegitimize the entire profession. Even liberals use the term fake news.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 18, 2020, 11:25:34 AM
As good a place as any. 

Stunning

https://nyti.ms/37vrmbb
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on December 18, 2020, 06:21:41 PM
The NYT remains a trash rag echo chamber for elite moderates.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on December 21, 2020, 05:58:30 PM
https://twitter.com/MrOlmos/status/1341137620332552192
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on December 21, 2020, 09:26:41 PM
https://twitter.com/MrOlmos/status/1341137620332552192

There seems to be a pattern of these dudes only getting tough with a man or woman with a camera in their hand.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: 8manpick on December 23, 2020, 10:09:25 AM
https://twitter.com/juliewolfe/status/1341507161181085698?s=21
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on December 23, 2020, 10:50:00 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on December 23, 2020, 10:52:12 AM
Journalists think a journalist hooking up with the guy who price gouged a pill and bought the wu tang record is a very important story.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Spracne on December 23, 2020, 10:53:28 AM
Has there ever been such a perfect fit between a tweet and a thread topic before?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: star seed 7 on December 23, 2020, 10:55:56 AM
Journalists think a journalist hooking up with the guy who price gouged a pill and bought the wu tang record is a very important story.

It's insane that this story is repeatedly in my news feed.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: steve dave on December 23, 2020, 01:25:54 PM
Journalists favorite thing to write and post about is journalists so it makes sense


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Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on December 23, 2020, 07:05:19 PM
Journalists think a journalist hooking up with the guy who price gouged a pill and bought the wu tang record is a very important story.

It's insane that this story is repeatedly in my news feed.

Who's rough ridin' that little rat? I didn't see it. I did see an athlete say they wanted to kick his ass but I forgot which athlete it was.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: ChiComCat on December 24, 2020, 08:38:57 AM
A bunch of people dogging her only kind of want to hear that wu-tang album, but she's wu-tang 4 ever.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on December 24, 2020, 11:58:07 AM
Finally saw the story, if you don't think a woman leaving her husband for a rat faced crap bag in prison, only for the rat faced crap bag to dump the lady from prison via his attorney is funny and the most man bites dog story of 2020 you're just being an insufferable hater. That's an amazing story regardless of the profession of the protagonist.

There's some irony in an attorney starting this thread and constantly misapplying stories that go in it.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on December 24, 2020, 12:41:03 PM
Finally saw the story, if you don't think a woman leaving her husband for a rat faced crap bag in prison, only for the rat faced crap bag to dump the lady from prison via his attorney is funny and the most man bites dog story of 2020 you're just being an insufferable hater. That's an amazing story regardless of the profession of the protagonist.

There's some irony in an attorney starting this thread and constantly misapplying stories that go in it.

It’s a routine story with respect to prisoners. This time the woman was a journalist.

Now on CNN’s home page:

Quote
Opinion: What the obsession with Martin Shkreli and Christie Smythe says about us
Opinion by Jill Filipovic
Updated 9:23 AM ET, Wed December 23, 2020
Jill Filipovic is a journalist based in New York

As soon as the piece hit, the internet went nuts.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/22/opinions/christie-smythe-martin-shkreli-elle-filipovic/index.html

You hadn’t heard of it until this thread. 7 and I heard of it because it’s bizarrely in news feeds (normally filled with news articles written by journalists), not as/for the “news” itself but as holier-than-thou screeds about the alleged journalism ethics breaches of the woman. Did “the internet” go nuts, or was it again simply that:

Journalists favorite thing to write and post about is journalists so it makes sense

and thus that’s the disproportionate content we got? And journalists in turn think/thought that their obsession with journalism is one everyone shares?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on December 24, 2020, 01:25:05 PM
Finally saw the story, if you don't think a woman leaving her husband for a rat faced crap bag in prison, only for the rat faced crap bag to dump the lady from prison via his attorney is funny and the most man bites dog story of 2020 you're just being an insufferable hater. That's an amazing story regardless of the profession of the protagonist.

There's some irony in an attorney starting this thread and constantly misapplying stories that go in it.

It’s a routine story with respect to prisoners. This time the woman was a journalist.


lol, stop, jfc. Yes, I'm certain a well to do woman leaves her comfortable life only to fall in love with a prisoner only to have him dump her using a lawyer, yeah crap happens every day :ROFL: gtfo dude

Yes, people date prisoners all the time, no crap, that's not the newsworthy part and you know it.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on December 24, 2020, 01:43:12 PM
Finally saw the story, if you don't think a woman leaving her husband for a rat faced crap bag in prison, only for the rat faced crap bag to dump the lady from prison via his attorney is funny and the most man bites dog story of 2020 you're just being an insufferable hater. That's an amazing story regardless of the profession of the protagonist.

There's some irony in an attorney starting this thread and constantly misapplying stories that go in it.

It’s a routine story with respect to prisoners. This time the woman was a journalist.


lol, stop, jfc. Yes, I'm certain a well to do woman leaves her comfortable life only to fall in love with a prisoner only to have him dump her using a lawyer, yeah crap happens every day :ROFL: gtfo dude

Yes, people date prisoners all the time, no crap, that's not the newsworthy part and you know it.

OK, you're interested in the actual story.  There will probably be a lifetime movie about it, assuming there aren't already too many with the exact same plot that doing a based-on-real-life-event version would be pointless.  The story isn't what brought it into this thread - it's everything you didn't quote from my post.

If instead one of the guy's accountants had fallen for him and left her husband for him and got subsequently lol dismissed by him via counsel, it would be a big deal among accountants.  goACCOUNTING.com would be ablaze.  But none of us would know because accountants' internal industry talk doesn't - because they're not already plugged in for their words to be mass-produced due to their job responsibilities - get distributed to the rest of us as news or matters of public interest or even interesting gossip.

It's undeniable that journalists have more interest in stories that involve journalists or their industry than an identical story that has no journalism tie-in.  It's natural to want to feel that one's own field and the work they do is more important than others, and that one in turn carries a higher value.  And it's OK for everyone to be cognizant of that.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: MakeItRain on December 24, 2020, 04:34:28 PM
Journalists inevitably have to write stories about other journalists, the relevance of which, is in the eye of the beholder, just like every other story covered by every single person who has written or spoken words in the history of the world. There is some irony in the insistence that every article written by a journalist is only written because the subject is a journalist.

You tried to emphasize your point by linking a think piece about this rat faced shitbag story as if you couldn't find a think piece about every subject ever. There were think pieces written about K-State fans twitter reaction to a football coach being hired. The existence of a think piece about this is proof of nothing other than its the internet age and there are tens of thousands of journalism majors who graduate every year.

The story was funny, you misapplied it to this thread, it's okay we all miss sometimes
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (spinoff from The riot thread)
Post by: Trim on December 24, 2020, 04:51:49 PM
I've put a disclaimer in the thread title to avoid any more confusion.  The original title was insincere from day one.

media navel gazing

I'm keeping my thread title, but yes, that's what this thread is for.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: steve dave on December 24, 2020, 09:04:04 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/4rkl0q.jpg)

https://twitter.com/JoeGoodmanJr/status/1342180075270189056
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on December 25, 2020, 11:55:34 AM
 :ROFL:
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on December 25, 2020, 11:57:25 AM
The replies are amazing
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: michigancat on December 25, 2020, 12:13:54 PM
The replies are amazing
Yes!

https://twitter.com/not_carlisle/status/1342252142778867712
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on December 25, 2020, 05:26:45 PM
https://twitter.com/bobmuellerwkrn/status/1342578347033972737

https://twitter.com/mrnkrkptrck/status/1342519088069963778



Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 8manpick on January 06, 2021, 04:30:44 PM
https://twitter.com/talkopan/status/1346918886726369285?s=21
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Woogy on January 06, 2021, 05:08:53 PM
Every?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on January 06, 2021, 05:51:47 PM
Every?

I mean there's no way OAN or newsmax are out there, so yea, every.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 06, 2021, 07:02:56 PM
I'm sure some of the images are coming directly from the magas.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on January 06, 2021, 07:50:19 PM
https://twitter.com/caseyworks/status/1346941351045197828

https://twitter.com/AnthonyQuintano/status/1346963370205970432

https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1346944301553627136
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on January 06, 2021, 08:33:23 PM
I'm sure some of the images are coming directly from the magas.

Not journos though. Did you not see the video of the thugs in the Capitol asking people with cameras who they are with?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on January 07, 2021, 12:48:42 AM
https://twitter.com/ZoeannMurphy/status/1347040892356616198
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on January 07, 2021, 01:14:03 AM
So one of the 15 people arrested was a reporter from the local newspaper, wearing a credential? lol, bang up crap, 12.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on January 12, 2021, 11:55:20 AM
Should social media professionals' self-declared triumphs (even if those triumphs are simply a reflection of people's long-existing interest in the subject matter) be included in this thread or one of its own?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on January 12, 2021, 12:12:42 PM
Example:

https://twitter.com/DrewinHD/status/1349026031575957504
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: dal9 on January 14, 2021, 01:13:05 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ers9j7VXcAErpfu?format=png&name=medium)
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: dal9 on January 14, 2021, 01:13:55 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiG2wX3VEAAQDP-?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: star seed 7 on January 14, 2021, 01:20:29 PM
Lmao
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on January 14, 2021, 01:43:16 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ers9j7VXcAErpfu?format=png&name=medium)

This is amazing :lol:
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Spracne on January 14, 2021, 01:43:48 PM
Classic mix-up re: the imam.
Title: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: catastrophe on January 14, 2021, 01:46:45 PM
That explains the dearth of theological insight I’ve seen since following Pimpin4Paradise786
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on March 20, 2021, 12:19:22 PM
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1373270543944855554
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 20, 2021, 03:03:15 PM
I’m allowing this

https://twitter.com/crypsis12/status/1373309802508607488?s=21
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on October 13, 2021, 09:58:44 AM
Sports journalists are really fired up about other sports journalists and journalism right now.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: star seed 7 on October 13, 2021, 10:12:32 AM
About what?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on October 13, 2021, 10:22:58 AM
Adam Schefter and Shams Charnia.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 13, 2021, 10:54:34 AM
About what?
This dude, to get a leg up on the competition, sends over stories he's about to publish and let's them fill in the blanks on what they want published with it.

https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1448313854874701830?s=20
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: mocat on October 13, 2021, 11:07:21 AM
Sports journalists are really fired up about other sports journalists and journalism right now.

also came across this subgenre of sports journalist twitter. sports photog twitter is pretty angry at this buffalo bills media guy

https://twitter.com/jcfphotog/status/1447759430133555200?s=20

https://twitter.com/davidphotokc/status/1448027199655849986
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 13, 2021, 11:24:41 AM
Yeah, that's absolutely a big No-No. Just like how you're not suppose to cheer in a courtroom or have a reaction.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on October 13, 2021, 11:40:57 AM
The Schefter stuff is a royal rumble. Lots of sports J’s were shitting on him (mostly @-less) and then darren rough ridin' rovell pushed back on them and now olbermann and many others are putting the boots to him.

https://twitter.com/keitholbermann/status/1448297422992691207
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on October 13, 2021, 11:43:50 AM
Beating up schefter and rovell is too mainstream, so there’s a different J mob on shams.

https://twitter.com/bruce_arthur/status/1448280643662663684
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on October 13, 2021, 11:46:51 AM
Sports journalists are really fired up about other sports journalists and journalism right now.

also came across this subgenre of sports journalist twitter. sports photog twitter is pretty angry at this buffalo bills media guy

https://twitter.com/jcfphotog/status/1447759430133555200?s=20

https://twitter.com/davidphotokc/status/1448027199655849986

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: steve dave on October 13, 2021, 11:54:50 AM
If we’re all going to make less than a living wage in this career then WE’RE GOING TO HAVE SOME GOD DAMN UNWRITTEN RULES ABOUT IT!
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: ChiComCat on October 13, 2021, 11:59:26 AM
Schefter is a sports reporter and not a real journalist.  His job is to build relationships by leaking information that is given to him by someone who wants it leaked.  He works for ESPN, which has billions of dollars tied up in the entity he is reporting on.  Of course he takes care of his sources and does crap like this.  Anyways, what real insight does Schefter provide other than "Player X wants to be traded" and "Player Y is signing with whatever team?"

Also, I'm sorry the unprofessional Bills photographer hurt so many people's feelings.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on October 13, 2021, 12:20:37 PM
Schefter is a sports reporter and not a real journalist.  His job is to build relationships by leaking information that is given to him by someone who wants it leaked.  He works for ESPN, which has billions of dollars tied up in the entity he is reporting on.  Of course he takes care of his sources and does crap like this.  Anyways, what real insight does Schefter provide other than "Player X wants to be traded" and "Player Y is signing with whatever team?"

Also, I'm sorry the unprofessional Bills photographer hurt so many people's feelings.

A reporter is a journalist. What the hell do you think journalism is if not reporting? You say "of course he takes care of his sources and does crap like this." This is not how reporters do their job, on top of it being the height of laziness, it isn't providing impartial information. The literal only worst way to cut a corner there would have been just to completely make up quotes.

Do you know what the story was about that he let oscar Allen write his story for? Do you know the backstory of Allen? I feel like your opinion is formed somewhat by your thought that this story was just breaking a trade. The story was about the lockout. There should have been actual journalism done there. The lockout had real life consequences for people outside the football players on the field. Schefter let "the man" set the narrative when they were trying to justify not paying people. I can't imagine not thinking that isn't a big deal.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on October 13, 2021, 12:25:05 PM
Also, no one gives a eff about the photographer. It's literally one dude complaining on twitter. That tweet had a whole 21 replies and 4 agreeing with the tweet. If I were to guess, that photographer works for the bills.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: ChiComCat on October 13, 2021, 12:36:49 PM
Schefter is a sports reporter and not a real journalist.  His job is to build relationships by leaking information that is given to him by someone who wants it leaked.  He works for ESPN, which has billions of dollars tied up in the entity he is reporting on.  Of course he takes care of his sources and does crap like this.  Anyways, what real insight does Schefter provide other than "Player X wants to be traded" and "Player Y is signing with whatever team?"

Also, I'm sorry the unprofessional Bills photographer hurt so many people's feelings.

A reporter is a journalist. What the hell do you think journalism is if not reporting? You say "of course he takes care of his sources and does crap like this." This is not how reporters do their job, on top of it being the height of laziness, it isn't providing impartial information. The literal only worst way to cut a corner there would have been just to completely make up quotes.

Do you know what the story was about that he let oscar Allen write his story for? Do you know the backstory of Allen? I feel like your opinion is formed somewhat by your thought that this story was just breaking a trade. The story was about the lockout. There should have been actual journalism done there. The lockout had real life consequences for people outside the football players on the field. Schefter let "the man" set the narrative when they were trying to justify not paying people. I can't imagine not thinking that isn't a big deal.

My emphasis was on sports more than the difference between reporter and journalist.  I think people reporting on sports generally have wildly different journalistic standards than you would have reporting actual news.  I never considered that people took Schefter, again who works for ESPN, as a legitimate unbiased journalist/reporter and find it strange that people did/do.  If I want a realistic view of the lockout, ESPN is a pretty poor choice to find that information. 

Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 13, 2021, 12:38:15 PM
If we’re all going to make less than a living wage in this career then WE’RE GOING TO HAVE SOME GOD DAMN UNWRITTEN RULES ABOUT IT!
You take a lot of ethics classes and journalism law in J school.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on October 13, 2021, 12:40:14 PM
Here’s the LA Times story that started the recent schefter stuff.

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https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2021-10-12/nfl-jon-gruden-emails-washington-football-team

Several emails between Allen and journalists are part of the filing too. In one of them from July 2011, ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter sent Allen the draft of an unpublished story that was published later the same day.

“Please let me know if you see anything that should be added, changed, tweaked,” Schefter wrote. “Thanks, Mr. Editor, for that and the trust. Plan to file this to espn about 6 am ….”

ESPN released the following statement in response to the correspondence: “Without sharing all the specifics of the reporter’s process for a story from 10 years ago during the NFL lockout, we believe that nothing is more important to Adam and ESPN than providing fans the most accurate, fair and complete story.”

It’s very lol predictable what is happening today because of an excerpt included in a story about many things one can see if they look at long-available court filings in a really stupid case about supposed defamation in an Indian publication.

As for the thing J’s are mad about today, I’d have to pull the case up and look at the whole email chain to know if schefter was being a stooge or being a snarky ass to someone who’d been difficult with him.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: mocat on October 13, 2021, 12:56:35 PM
Also, no one gives a eff about the photographer. It's literally one dude complaining on twitter. That tweet had a whole 21 replies and 4 agreeing with the tweet. If I were to guess, that photographer works for the bills.

the original tweet is in the hundreds of RT's, but yeah the sports photog subgenre is pretty niche.
fwiw i absolutely love the bills guy's face and highsteppercat pose. it's perfect
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on October 13, 2021, 01:00:05 PM
Also, no one gives a eff about the photographer. It's literally one dude complaining on twitter. That tweet had a whole 21 replies and 4 agreeing with the tweet. If I were to guess, that photographer works for the bills.

the original tweet is in the hundreds of RT's, but yeah the sports photog subgenre is pretty niche.
fwiw i absolutely love the bills guy's face and highsteppercat pose. it's perfect

I wish there’d been a table nearby for him to dive through too.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: chum1 on October 13, 2021, 01:13:10 PM
I just want people to take full advantage of this opportunity to crap all over ESPN.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: catastrophe on October 13, 2021, 01:14:20 PM
Why can’t there just be different kinds of journalists. Like, what if we just say Schefter is more in the rumor business than hard hitting analysis and leave it at that?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 'taterblast on October 13, 2021, 01:46:08 PM
are people actually surprised at the schefter thing
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: star seed 7 on October 13, 2021, 01:49:51 PM
I rank sports reporters at exactly the same level as entertainment reporters and do not expect a level of ethics above entertainment tonight.

One of the funniest thing about sports journalism is the profession takes itself so seriously.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 13, 2021, 01:57:06 PM
are people actually surprised at the schefter thing
Not at all
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 'taterblast on October 13, 2021, 01:58:33 PM
newest on the timeline

https://twitter.com/JerryDunleavy/status/1448343568704278533?s=20
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: mocat on October 13, 2021, 02:44:25 PM
oof
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: mocat on October 13, 2021, 02:46:52 PM
I rank sports reporters at exactly the same level as entertainment reporters and do not expect a level of ethics above entertainment tonight.

One of the funniest thing about sports journalism is the profession takes itself so seriously.

yeah i love it when sports journos congratulate each other like "great scoop by xxxxx" or "great reporting by xxxx". literally anyone can regurgitate a leak from an agent or GM who is looking to leak something
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on October 13, 2021, 03:16:58 PM
Sports journalists wanted to be sports players and then are around sports so much that they end up treating their jobs and profession like it’s sports too.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on October 13, 2021, 03:27:06 PM
4 J's, 0 @'s. :(

https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1448258320897241090
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: mocat on October 13, 2021, 03:46:51 PM
lol
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 8manpick on October 13, 2021, 03:54:57 PM
newest on the timeline

https://twitter.com/JerryDunleavy/status/1448343568704278533?s=20
All written interviews or stories about interviews are edited to tell the story the interviewer wants to tell. Are people just finding out about this? Did they think they were seeing verbatim transcripts?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: DQ12 on October 13, 2021, 03:56:54 PM
As a former real life credentialed journalist, I am extremely qualified to say that that photojournalist is a total piece of crap and should be thrown in JAIL
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 13, 2021, 04:09:46 PM
As a former real life credentialed journalist, I am extremely qualified to say that that photojournalist is a total piece of crap and should be thrown in JAIL

He should be forced to write a human interest piece on X-Factor and submit it to the New York Times. If they decide to publish it, he can come back. If not, well he just got X'd.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 13, 2021, 08:32:14 PM
Tbh, I kinda love the hate on journalism now. Like, we got an “easier” path to a degree. But you guys are acting like it’s a joke now, out of nowhere, when it’s been totally manipulated since 2008 when crap hit the fan. Most of us came out broke with 24k jobs. Now you guys are lol’ing about the field and everyone has left it. It’s honestly been a good lesson; on everything I’ve preached for the past 10 years. It’s all manipulated and washed, and Kurtz left today for it.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Cire on October 13, 2021, 09:41:46 PM
Remember the rough ridin' caping for Kellis after he made Jake cry and Frank yelled at him?


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Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 13, 2021, 10:58:16 PM
Remember the rough ridin' caping for Kellis after he made Jake cry and Frank yelled at him?


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While he went home eating ramen. It totally sucks!
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on October 14, 2021, 04:09:26 AM
Schefter is a sports reporter and not a real journalist.  His job is to build relationships by leaking information that is given to him by someone who wants it leaked.  He works for ESPN, which has billions of dollars tied up in the entity he is reporting on.  Of course he takes care of his sources and does crap like this.  Anyways, what real insight does Schefter provide other than "Player X wants to be traded" and "Player Y is signing with whatever team?"

Also, I'm sorry the unprofessional Bills photographer hurt so many people's feelings.

A reporter is a journalist. What the hell do you think journalism is if not reporting? You say "of course he takes care of his sources and does crap like this." This is not how reporters do their job, on top of it being the height of laziness, it isn't providing impartial information. The literal only worst way to cut a corner there would have been just to completely make up quotes.

Do you know what the story was about that he let oscar Allen write his story for? Do you know the backstory of Allen? I feel like your opinion is formed somewhat by your thought that this story was just breaking a trade. The story was about the lockout. There should have been actual journalism done there. The lockout had real life consequences for people outside the football players on the field. Schefter let "the man" set the narrative when they were trying to justify not paying people. I can't imagine not thinking that isn't a big deal.

My emphasis was on sports more than the difference between reporter and journalist.  I think people reporting on sports generally have wildly different journalistic standards than you would have reporting actual news.  I never considered that people took Schefter, again who works for ESPN, as a legitimate unbiased journalist/reporter and find it strange that people did/do.  If I want a realistic view of the lockout, ESPN is a pretty poor choice to find that information.

Where else are you going to get news about the lockout from, Bloomberg?

Obviously not everyone can be a war correspondent, but journalism is no different than any other industry in which the quality of work can't be tied to their perceived importance. That isn't the case anywhere else and it isn't the case in journalism either.

If a personal injury lawyer breached industry standard they'd be marched in front of the bar the same way a corporate partner would for making the same ethical breach. If a toy manufacturer cut corners on the assembly line, they'd get crap canned the same way an airplane manufacturer would.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on October 14, 2021, 04:26:55 AM
Why can’t there just be different kinds of journalists. Like, what if we just say Schefter is more in the rumor business than hard hitting analysis and leave it at that?

I rank sports reporters at exactly the same level as entertainment reporters and do not expect a level of ethics above entertainment tonight.

One of the funniest thing about sports journalism is the profession takes itself so seriously.

Whatever y'all consider a real journalist, Adam Shefter sat in the same classes, learning the same lessons, adhering to the same standards. If he wanted to be like one of the TMZ guys, or whatever Happy Slapnuts is hosting your local AM talk show, or some blogger, or podcaster that's fine. However, that's not how he nor his employer positioned him. I just saw this dude on Real Sports three weeks ago flexing his big J journo cred and talking about his Michigan J School education. He positioned himself as a journalist, he's certainly paid like one and he's out here letting his subjects write his stories.

That being said if he shouldn't have a problem continuing to get scoops from front office people, and that's probably enough to keep ESPN happy. He's mumped himself with players and agents though.

are people actually surprised at the schefter thing

Very clearly so.

They teach you to not let your subjects write the stories literally on the first day of newspaper class in high school. I remember the very seat I was sitting in when I heard this the first time in early September 1991.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 'taterblast on October 14, 2021, 08:40:36 AM
your points are valid, right or wrong i guess i just view(ed) schefty as a scoop master / hype man and not really a journalist.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: ChiComCat on October 14, 2021, 08:50:39 AM
Schefter is a sports reporter and not a real journalist.  His job is to build relationships by leaking information that is given to him by someone who wants it leaked.  He works for ESPN, which has billions of dollars tied up in the entity he is reporting on.  Of course he takes care of his sources and does crap like this.  Anyways, what real insight does Schefter provide other than "Player X wants to be traded" and "Player Y is signing with whatever team?"

Also, I'm sorry the unprofessional Bills photographer hurt so many people's feelings.

A reporter is a journalist. What the hell do you think journalism is if not reporting? You say "of course he takes care of his sources and does crap like this." This is not how reporters do their job, on top of it being the height of laziness, it isn't providing impartial information. The literal only worst way to cut a corner there would have been just to completely make up quotes.

Do you know what the story was about that he let oscar Allen write his story for? Do you know the backstory of Allen? I feel like your opinion is formed somewhat by your thought that this story was just breaking a trade. The story was about the lockout. There should have been actual journalism done there. The lockout had real life consequences for people outside the football players on the field. Schefter let "the man" set the narrative when they were trying to justify not paying people. I can't imagine not thinking that isn't a big deal.

My emphasis was on sports more than the difference between reporter and journalist.  I think people reporting on sports generally have wildly different journalistic standards than you would have reporting actual news.  I never considered that people took Schefter, again who works for ESPN, as a legitimate unbiased journalist/reporter and find it strange that people did/do.  If I want a realistic view of the lockout, ESPN is a pretty poor choice to find that information.

Where else are you going to get news about the lockout from, Bloomberg?

Obviously not everyone can be a war correspondent, but journalism is no different than any other industry in which the quality of work can't be tied to their perceived importance. That isn't the case anywhere else and it isn't the case in journalism either.

If a personal injury lawyer breached industry standard they'd be marched in front of the bar the same way a corporate partner would for making the same ethical breach. If a toy manufacturer cut corners on the assembly line, they'd get crap canned the same way an airplane manufacturer would.

I wouldn't go to the lawyer representing the client to ask for an impartial take, which is what I feel like you're doing if you're expecting ESPN to be impartial on potentially critical NFL stories. 

I'm not justifying what he did, I'm just totally unsurprised.  If it fucks him with players and agents (I don't have your faith that it will), then I'm glad the system has a way of self-correcting it because I don't expect ESPN to care.  ESPN is tacitly endorsing it, which continues to show why nobody should expect an unbiased piece regarding companies they do billion dollar deals with.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: chum1 on October 14, 2021, 08:52:03 AM
I think sports reporters, editors, publishers, and consumers largely view sports reporting as serious reporting. They just don't distinguish between topics like first round draft picks and labor disputes.
Title: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: catastrophe on October 14, 2021, 09:42:40 AM
If a personal injury lawyer breached industry standard they'd be marched in front of the bar the same way a corporate partner would for making the same ethical breach. If a toy manufacturer cut corners on the assembly line, they'd get crap canned the same way an airplane manufacturer would.

I really think both these examples weigh against your point.

There is a very different perception of prestige and expectation of behavior between different types of attorneys. The fact that you still have to be licensed to practice as an attorney at all and are subject to enforceable rules of ethics just illustrates how different journalists are as a profession.

The toy example is even funnier. There is literally never an acceptable time for airplanes to break. Everyone expects toys to break in like less than six weeks. We had a toy RC truck that a wheel fell off and when we replaced it with a new one THE SAME wheel fell off!
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on October 14, 2021, 04:37:18 PM
Looks like this sports media talent could cash in huge soon despite the journalism uproar.

https://frontofficesports.com/adam-schefter-espnn-caesars-sportsbook-contract-summer-2022/
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on October 14, 2021, 05:44:06 PM
Schefter is a sports reporter and not a real journalist.  His job is to build relationships by leaking information that is given to him by someone who wants it leaked.  He works for ESPN, which has billions of dollars tied up in the entity he is reporting on.  Of course he takes care of his sources and does crap like this.  Anyways, what real insight does Schefter provide other than "Player X wants to be traded" and "Player Y is signing with whatever team?"

Also, I'm sorry the unprofessional Bills photographer hurt so many people's feelings.

A reporter is a journalist. What the hell do you think journalism is if not reporting? You say "of course he takes care of his sources and does crap like this." This is not how reporters do their job, on top of it being the height of laziness, it isn't providing impartial information. The literal only worst way to cut a corner there would have been just to completely make up quotes.

Do you know what the story was about that he let oscar Allen write his story for? Do you know the backstory of Allen? I feel like your opinion is formed somewhat by your thought that this story was just breaking a trade. The story was about the lockout. There should have been actual journalism done there. The lockout had real life consequences for people outside the football players on the field. Schefter let "the man" set the narrative when they were trying to justify not paying people. I can't imagine not thinking that isn't a big deal.

My emphasis was on sports more than the difference between reporter and journalist.  I think people reporting on sports generally have wildly different journalistic standards than you would have reporting actual news.  I never considered that people took Schefter, again who works for ESPN, as a legitimate unbiased journalist/reporter and find it strange that people did/do.  If I want a realistic view of the lockout, ESPN is a pretty poor choice to find that information.

Where else are you going to get news about the lockout from, Bloomberg?

Obviously not everyone can be a war correspondent, but journalism is no different than any other industry in which the quality of work can't be tied to their perceived importance. That isn't the case anywhere else and it isn't the case in journalism either.

If a personal injury lawyer breached industry standard they'd be marched in front of the bar the same way a corporate partner would for making the same ethical breach. If a toy manufacturer cut corners on the assembly line, they'd get crap canned the same way an airplane manufacturer would.

I wouldn't go to the lawyer representing the client to ask for an impartial take, which is what I feel like you're doing if you're expecting ESPN to be impartial on potentially critical NFL stories. 

I'm not justifying what he did, I'm just totally unsurprised.  If it fucks him with players and agents (I don't have your faith that it will), then I'm glad the system has a way of self-correcting it because I don't expect ESPN to care.  ESPN is tacitly endorsing it, which continues to show why nobody should expect an unbiased piece regarding companies they do billion dollar deals with.

ESPN definitely doesn't care, being the voice of the front office and rough ridin' over players is exactly what their consumer wants, especially for pro football. His clicks won't reduce a single bit.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on October 14, 2021, 05:54:32 PM
If a personal injury lawyer breached industry standard they'd be marched in front of the bar the same way a corporate partner would for making the same ethical breach. If a toy manufacturer cut corners on the assembly line, they'd get crap canned the same way an airplane manufacturer would.

I really think both these examples weigh against your point.

There is a very different perception of prestige and expectation of behavior between different types of attorneys. The fact that you still have to be licensed to practice as an attorney at all and are subject to enforceable rules of ethics just illustrates how different journalists are as a profession.

The toy example is even funnier. There is literally never an acceptable time for airplanes to break. Everyone expects toys to break in like less than six weeks. We had a toy RC truck that a wheel fell off and when we replaced it with a new one THE SAME wheel fell off!

I'm going to sound like a dick here, but you don't actually get the point at all. You're talking about perceived prestige of these jobs and I'm telling you it doesn't matter what you or anyone else thinks about the prestige of the job, he violated the very well defined industry standards. People who don't know what the eff they are talking about are arguing whether or not it's a big deal or if it matters, no actual journalist is even thinking twice about this, there's no doubt.

Your and almost everyone's understanding of media ethics is way off. When this dude sat in all of those UMich J School classes, almost all of them are about adherence to ethics and standards. Feel free to keep debating whether or not he violated the tenets of industry, he did. Also feel free to mock the fact that sports journalists have professional standards, won't change the fact they exist in sports journalism and literally every other industry in the world. Even drug dealers have industry standards.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Phil Titola on October 14, 2021, 05:55:19 PM
This is opposite of this thread and probably belongs in some Missouri POS thread.  This is insane.

https://twitter.com/webster/status/1448728585804603392
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on October 14, 2021, 06:01:43 PM
Tony Webster's tweet belongs regardless of the underlying story.  This one's better as he attacks the journalism of other journalists and how they journalized their tweet/headline about the initial journalist incident.

https://twitter.com/webster/status/1448745328841306123
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on October 14, 2021, 06:02:05 PM
Looks like this sports media talent could cash in huge soon despite the journalism uproar.

https://frontofficesports.com/adam-schefter-espnn-caesars-sportsbook-contract-summer-2022/

See, this is blogging, not journalism. A journalist would have known that Schefter got in hot water last month for investing in a sports gaming app, a competitor of Caesars by the way.

When he leaves ESPN either after this football season or next summer, he'll go to NBC. Boom Entertainment, who he's investing with, along with Robert Kraft, are partners with the NBC Sports Predictor App.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on October 14, 2021, 06:06:34 PM
Tony Webster's tweet belongs regardless of the underlying story.  This one's better as he attacks the journalism of other journalists and how they journalized their tweet/headline about the initial journalist incident.

https://twitter.com/webster/status/1448745328841306123

I'm not the most computer literate person in the world, but does this not constitute a hack or is the Gov lying?

Quote
Officials say through a multi-step process, an individual took the records of at least three educators, unencrypted the source code from the webpage, and viewed the social security number (SSN) of those specific educators.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Phil Titola on October 14, 2021, 06:09:43 PM
Here is your first hacking lesson.  Right click anywhere on this page, select View Source.  You just "unencrypted the source code from the webpage".  Except it wasn't encrypted in the first place. 

Enjoy gE prision hacker!
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 14, 2021, 06:46:56 PM
Pretty much this. Time to heal turn to making fun of journalism and their ethics to cover this noise up- gE

https://twitter.com/sunnyright/status/1448418383133880325?s=21
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: star seed 7 on October 14, 2021, 09:09:01 PM
Gov parsons has definitely been gunning for crap bag of the year
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: catastrophe on October 15, 2021, 02:07:46 PM
If a personal injury lawyer breached industry standard they'd be marched in front of the bar the same way a corporate partner would for making the same ethical breach. If a toy manufacturer cut corners on the assembly line, they'd get crap canned the same way an airplane manufacturer would.

I really think both these examples weigh against your point.

There is a very different perception of prestige and expectation of behavior between different types of attorneys. The fact that you still have to be licensed to practice as an attorney at all and are subject to enforceable rules of ethics just illustrates how different journalists are as a profession.

The toy example is even funnier. There is literally never an acceptable time for airplanes to break. Everyone expects toys to break in like less than six weeks. We had a toy RC truck that a wheel fell off and when we replaced it with a new one THE SAME wheel fell off!

I'm going to sound like a dick here, but you don't actually get the point at all. You're talking about perceived prestige of these jobs and I'm telling you it doesn't matter what you or anyone else thinks about the prestige of the job, he violated the very well defined industry standards. People who don't know what the eff they are talking about are arguing whether or not it's a big deal or if it matters, no actual journalist is even thinking twice about this, there's no doubt.

Your and almost everyone's understanding of media ethics is way off. When this dude sat in all of those UMich J School classes, almost all of them are about adherence to ethics and standards. Feel free to keep debating whether or not he violated the tenets of industry, he did. Also feel free to mock the fact that sports journalists have professional standards, won't change the fact they exist in sports journalism and literally every other industry in the world. Even drug dealers have industry standards.
I get it. We just completely disagree on the frame of reference here.

You tried comparing journalists to attorneys. It’s a bad example because attorneys have codified rules of ethics and a clear disciplinary process for violating those rules.

Then you compared journalism to…I guess the entire manufacturing industry? Which, come on.

Sure, there are unofficial rules of journalists that any professional in the industry should be aware of. Whether a journalist chooses to follow those rules purely comes down to reputational integrity.

So go ahead and rake them over the unwritten coals all you want, but at the end of the day each journalist is generally going to take actions calculated to further the particular type of career they’re pursuing. Most people reading Schefter aren’t going to GAF about him running stories by a GM about their draft strategy or whatever. And even among those people, if they’re looking for trustworthy in depth reporting about something like the Gruden thing, they’ll probably look elsewhere.

Journalists calling for any more than that definitely belongs ITT.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: mocat on October 23, 2021, 08:59:49 AM
https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/1451652130033618948?t=BkImXZF7va2c6L6strKVzA&s=19
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on October 23, 2021, 08:35:28 PM
https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/1451652130033618948?t=BkImXZF7va2c6L6strKVzA&s=19

I don't understand what the hell ESPN is waiting on and why Sopan is acting like it's everyone else's fault they haven't published a story so many people know about.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on October 29, 2021, 11:56:19 AM
https://twitter.com/byAustinMeek/status/1454127418587942914
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on November 02, 2021, 11:01:34 AM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1455521526263033858
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: catastrophe on November 02, 2021, 12:58:16 PM
Godspeed the fourth estate.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Spracne on November 02, 2021, 07:50:36 PM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1455521526263033858

This reminds me of many experiences I've had trying to get a drink at crowded college bars. It's an outrage.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on November 03, 2021, 12:51:48 AM
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1455521526263033858

This is about a reporter trying to get the commissioner on record about a team employee raping a player, covering it up, letting him celebrate a Stanley Cup, putting his name on the Stanley Cup, then allowing him to work with youth at Hockey USA where he raped a kid. The commissioner also lied about a racial abuse investigation about the same organization. This doesn't belong here at all, I would think everyone would want this called out. If anything they should be even louder about this.

Although this tweeter had this point about the PHWA
https://twitter.com/alanhull/status/1455532530371866629
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on November 03, 2021, 01:41:20 AM
The tweet and statement is about the commissioner “freezing out” a reporter. That’s what has the Journalists mad at the moment, not the raping, etc.

Something that doesn’t show in my post that also highlights it’s relevance to my thread is how I possibly could’ve come across that tweet. It was RT’d by at least one local sports Journalist who doesn’t cover hockey and hasn’t T’d or RT’d a single thing about the hockey/rape story. They RT’d that tweet because of Journalism.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: catastrophe on November 03, 2021, 08:10:32 AM
Yeah it’s actually pretty incredible how hard the letter/press release tries to avoid talking about the story that is allegedly being covered up.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on November 03, 2021, 08:18:04 AM
The tweet and statement is about the commissioner “freezing out” a reporter. That’s what has the Journalists mad at the moment, not the raping, etc.

Something that doesn’t show in my post that also highlights it’s relevance to my thread is how I possibly could’ve come across that tweet. It was RT’d by at least one local sports Journalist who doesn’t cover hockey and hasn’t T’d or RT’d a single thing about the hockey/rape story. They RT’d that tweet because of Journalism.

But the appearance is that the commissioner did freeze out that journalist. It's well known that he's been doing investigative journalism on the two issues I wrote about. This was the commissioners first press conference since the Kyle Beach story broke and they tried to avoid answering questions from the only journalist on that call who did the original reporting on not only Kyle Beach but the racial abuse "investigation" that's being covered up.

They tried to avoid answering questions about these issues,, period. I know you're averse to admitting wrong, I don't think mocking media for calling out an attempt by a league to not answer questions about sexual and racial abuse investigations belong here.

I guess it's possible that you think that institutions can do whatever the eff they want without having to answer for it.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on November 03, 2021, 09:16:59 AM
The tweet and statement is about the commissioner “freezing out” a reporter. That’s what has the Journalists mad at the moment, not the raping, etc.

Something that doesn’t show in my post that also highlights it’s relevance to my thread is how I possibly could’ve come across that tweet. It was RT’d by at least one local sports Journalist who doesn’t cover hockey and hasn’t T’d or RT’d a single thing about the hockey/rape story. They RT’d that tweet because of Journalism.

But the appearance is that the commissioner did freeze out that journalist. It's well known that he's been doing investigative journalism on the two issues I wrote about. This was the commissioners first press conference since the Kyle Beach story broke and they tried to avoid answering questions from the only journalist on that call who did the original reporting on not only Kyle Beach but the racial abuse "investigation" that's being covered up.

They tried to avoid answering questions about these issues,, period. I know you're averse to admitting wrong, I don't think mocking media for calling out an attempt by a league to not answer questions about sexual and racial abuse investigations belong here.

I guess it's possible that you think that institutions can do whatever the eff they want without having to answer for it.

There would/will be no Journalism association statement about the NHL not complying with any prosecutorial process or civil investigation of all of that, or about the league and commissioner being pieces of crap for the actual crimes or neglect.

And if a civil investigation was being thwarted or anything like that and THAT entity put out a statement, or even if the non-compliance was hard news, Journalists would not be T’n and RT’n it, because that’s not interesting to them and it doesn’t advance (in their minds) their profession.

The subject matter of Rick Westhead’s work is irrelevant to that statement/tweet/RT being a great example for this thread.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: chum1 on November 10, 2021, 11:07:08 AM
This guy again! He seems kinda bad at his job.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FD2OuR4WEAE0f3a?format=jpg&name=900x900)

https://twitter.com/rochelleolson/status/1458275666500235264
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: mocat on November 10, 2021, 11:09:42 AM
"according to his agent" is carrying a ton of freight there
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 10, 2021, 11:14:46 AM
Where's the lie?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Kat Kid on November 10, 2021, 11:23:47 AM
Where's the lie?

what do you mean?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: bucket on November 10, 2021, 11:25:28 AM
Where's the lie?

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1458238218650914822
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 10, 2021, 11:43:43 AM
He’s reporting what he was told. Keep going… A lot of you could learn a lot from the Hill case. That chick could be Brooke Pryor’ing everything right now.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: bucket on November 10, 2021, 11:47:03 AM
He’s reporting what he was told. Keep going… A lot of you could learn a lot from the Hill case. That chick could be Brooke Pryor’ing everything right now.

I'm probably confused. My problem is with Rochelle Olson. A lot of people jumped to conclusions yesterday when a text message between Dalvin Cook and Gracelyn Trimble was released. Adam Schefter's report showed this was from last year and how Dalvin Cook may very well be the victim.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 10, 2021, 11:50:01 AM
Correct. Chum is trying to drag him, because he’s gullible and reads everything he wants to online. Rochelle sucks ass here! Brooke Pryor 2.0.

https://twitter.com/sotoes16/status/1458417743846420484?s=21
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: chum1 on November 10, 2021, 12:19:17 PM
The issue people have with Schefter on this issue is the same one as before (and before and before). Their issue is that he's not reporting, but carrying water for one side in exchange for access.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 10, 2021, 12:21:29 PM
 :rolleyes:
Title: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 10, 2021, 12:30:25 PM
Well, if there’s one thing that chum has been historically all about, and that’s ensuring all sides are properly represented, and all sides and viewpoints are heard.

They’ll be no more knee jerk hyper partisan Twitter cut and pastes from Chum.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: chum1 on November 10, 2021, 12:47:14 PM
Maybe I shouldn't have said he seems kinda bad at his job. Maybe I should have said he has questionable ethics.

https://twitter.com/RobertKlemko/status/1458484929164345345
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 10, 2021, 12:56:33 PM
Well, if there’s one thing that chum has been historically all about, and that’s ensuring all sides are properly represented, and all sides and viewpoints are heard.

They’ll be no more knee jerk hyper partisan Twitter cut and pastes from Chum.
Lol. He knows he looks stupid now. He's going to copy and paste every future deleted tweet he can find now to prove his case!
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: bucket on November 10, 2021, 06:09:29 PM
https://twitter.com/MichaelDavSmith/status/1458572451114328066
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 10, 2021, 06:35:04 PM
Lol @ that PFF reporter. They didn’t even want football to be played a year ago, that’s how liberal they are. Good stuff.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 10, 2021, 06:39:21 PM
PFF is a CBS extension too.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: star seed 7 on November 10, 2021, 06:51:02 PM
Are you calling Michael David Smith a liar? Because that's a serious accusation.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: mocat on November 10, 2021, 08:24:47 PM
Lol @ that PFF reporter. They didn’t even want football to be played a year ago, that’s how liberal they are. Good stuff.
You're conflating pro football talk with pro football focus
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: mocat on November 10, 2021, 08:25:24 PM
PFF is a CBS extension too.  :rolleyes:
You're conflating pro football talk with pro football focus, and also cbs with nbc
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 8manpick on November 10, 2021, 09:11:43 PM
Lol
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 11, 2021, 08:19:32 AM
lol. This is a civil matter. She wants $ for getting her assed kick for breaking and entering into her exes house, while threatening to kill him with a gun.

Chum: "NOT SO FAST!!!!"
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: LickNeckey on November 11, 2021, 08:23:19 AM
fwiw i think it is possible that both of your narrative are true
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: chum1 on November 11, 2021, 08:34:42 AM
lol. This is a civil matter. She wants $ for getting her assed kick for breaking and entering into her exes house, while threatening to kill him with a gun.

Chum: "NOT SO FAST!!!!"

I was talking about Schefter doing the thing he apologized for doing. Can you please get mad over someone else's posts and just ignore me? Trying to explain things to you is tedious.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 11, 2021, 09:34:57 AM
99% of journalist get paid dick. He didn't have an agenda here. Out of all the people in the world, you shouldn't be giving job reviews.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: mocat on November 11, 2021, 10:11:21 AM
wacky what are you doing. adam schefter famously rides a limo like an hour and a half every day to work and back.
is it ok to point out it's kind of F'd up to just take whatever a players agent tells him regarding a domestic assault case and just parrot it out to his 9MM followers?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 11, 2021, 10:21:07 AM
wacky what are you doing. adam schefter famously rides a limo like an hour and a half every day to work and back.
is it ok to point out it's kind of F'd up to just take whatever a players agent tells him regarding a domestic assault case and just parrot it out to his 9MM followers?
He's made his earnings by being the first on the scene. Like Woj. What he reported was correct. Chum saw some random reply to it with a cute little fake story about the chick getting beat involuntarily and couldn't wait to post about it and said the dude sucks at his job. He apologized because woke culture went after him.

Honestly, chum and adam have a lot in common. Always the first on the scene with their narratives.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: bucket on November 11, 2021, 10:24:15 AM
wacky what are you doing. adam schefter famously rides a limo like an hour and a half every day to work and back.
is it ok to point out it's kind of F'd up to just take whatever a players agent tells him regarding a domestic assault case and just parrot it out to his 9MM followers?
He's made his earnings by being the first on the scene. Like Woj. What he reported was correct. Chum saw some random reply to it with a cute little fake story about the chick getting beat involuntarily and couldn't wait to post about it and said the dude sucks at his job. He apologized because woke culture went after him.

Honestly, chum and adam have a lot in common. Always the first on the scene with their narratives.

Have you not read the criticisms about his reporting on the Washington Football Team?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: ChiComCat on November 11, 2021, 10:33:04 AM
Schefter sourced it which I think can contribute to a reasonable person taking it with some skepticism.  I do think there is some reasonable expectation of getting additional information, particularly when having the first narrative to the scene can carry a lot of weight.  My takeaway from a Schefter tweet just goes as far as the football field though, it's been made abundantly clear that he reports and doesn't investigate/research anything.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 11, 2021, 10:34:31 AM
wacky what are you doing. adam schefter famously rides a limo like an hour and a half every day to work and back.
is it ok to point out it's kind of F'd up to just take whatever a players agent tells him regarding a domestic assault case and just parrot it out to his 9MM followers?
He's made his earnings by being the first on the scene. Like Woj. What he reported was correct. Chum saw some random reply to it with a cute little fake story about the chick getting beat involuntarily and couldn't wait to post about it and said the dude sucks at his job. He apologized because woke culture went after him.

Honestly, chum and adam have a lot in common. Always the first on the scene with their narratives.

Have you not read the criticisms about his reporting on the Washington Football Team?
I have and I forgot you all went to Journalism school. My bad. His Washington crap was bad, this was not. He's reported thousands and thousands of stories. His Washington crap was the worse. Stop making this into something that it's not.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: mocat on November 11, 2021, 10:35:10 AM
"according to his agent" is carrying a ton of freight there

this is all i'm saying
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 11, 2021, 10:35:35 AM
Schefter sourced it which I think can contribute to a reasonable person taking it with some skepticism.  I do think there is some reasonable expectation of getting additional information, particularly when having the first narrative to the scene can carry a lot of weight.  My takeaway from a Schefter tweet just goes as far as the football field though, it's been made abundantly clear that he reports and doesn't investigate/research anything.
Yup!
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on November 11, 2021, 10:35:52 AM
Adam Schefter doing what's best for Adam Schefter doesn't go in this thread, nor does anything about the countering assertions in the Dalvin Cook matter.  Journalists whipping Schefter's ass (usually w/o @'n) citing his failure to live up to the Journalism ethics and standards does.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: nicname on November 11, 2021, 10:50:47 AM
Well, if there’s one thing that chum has been historically all about, and that’s ensuring all sides are properly represented, and all sides and viewpoints are heard.

They’ll be no more knee jerk hyper partisan Twitter cut and pastes from Chum.

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: nicname on November 11, 2021, 10:52:26 AM
PFF is a CBS extension too.  :rolleyes:

They love our man Sky Thompson tho!
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: nicname on November 11, 2021, 10:56:38 AM
Adam Schefter doing what's best for Adam Schefter doesn't go in this thread, nor does anything about the countering assertions in the Dalvin Cook matter.  Journalists whipping Schefter's ass (usually w/o @'n) citing his failure to live up to the Journalism ethics and standards does.

Whipping Shefter's ass/whining. potato potahto.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: star seed 7 on November 11, 2021, 11:02:41 AM
I hope Mr schefter is able to survive the woke mob #cancelled
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 11, 2021, 11:04:39 AM
If there’s anything we’ve learned from Chum, it’s be “fair and balanced” or get the eff out of Kites!
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: mocat on November 11, 2021, 11:06:07 AM
every thread can't just be a wacky persecution thread
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 11, 2021, 11:08:36 AM
It’s not, this one is a Chum persecution, for believing every dumbshit lefty theory he reads on Twitter and rushing to post it here. It’s hilarious how gullible he is.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 11, 2021, 11:15:24 AM
every thread can't just be a wacky persecution thread

It can be wacky copying dax's posts though!
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 11, 2021, 11:17:57 AM
every thread can't just be a wacky persecution thread

It can be wacky copying dax's posts though!
More tazing jokes, bud.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: star seed 7 on November 11, 2021, 11:20:03 AM
I don't get the political angle here
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 11, 2021, 11:23:37 AM
I don't get the political angle here
Feminist chum had to rush to defend his girl, who threatened a mans life and broke into his house, but he didn't have time to look into that. Black man did a crime. It has to be him. Ala Tyreek. - Chum
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: LickNeckey on November 11, 2021, 11:24:17 AM
me neither


i really don't understand much of what is happening with thsi little dust up


schefter criticism for carrying water seems fair and he seems to agree

Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: star seed 7 on November 11, 2021, 11:29:30 AM
Wow, not everything is political, feminist chum, maybe take a step back next time
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 11, 2021, 11:31:47 AM
Wow, not everything is political, feminist chum, maybe take a step back next time
Sometimes you guys are just too close to the mirror, when you can't see everything is a hot topic in your eyes. Cancel this journalist tho!
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: star seed 7 on November 11, 2021, 11:45:22 AM
I'm with you 420seriouscat69. If feminist chum would realize that sports reporters are equal to tmz then his expectation of ethical standards would be properly calibrated.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 11, 2021, 11:47:17 AM
"ethical standards". lol
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: LickNeckey on November 11, 2021, 11:57:24 AM
culture warriors need a culture war
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 11, 2021, 12:08:30 PM
Nobody backs their leftist brothers like blueanon or whatever it is that dax calls you dorks.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: star seed 7 on November 11, 2021, 12:15:13 PM
I'm with you 420seriouscat69. If feminist chum would realize that sports reporters are equal to tmz then his expectation of ethical standards would be properly calibrated.

OK, I take this back. Espn is tmz if tmz also had a financial interest in protecting the celebrities they report on.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 11, 2021, 12:53:15 PM
I'm not just looking forward to a "both sides" posting future for chum

Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on November 11, 2021, 07:17:40 PM
(https://c.tenor.com/-4JnI4XlnhIAAAAd/jesus-christ-jesus-truck.gif)

Wacky has become a parody of maga twitter bots.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 11, 2021, 08:21:12 PM
I was waiting for your late night bullshit. Just in time. Glorious! I was expecting a 3 am response with full rage tbh.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 11, 2021, 08:22:50 PM
Adam reported OBJ first today FWIW. Seems like he’s good at his job.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 11, 2021, 08:25:42 PM
But hey, when giving job reviews, in chum we trust!- #blueanon
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: LickNeckey on November 13, 2021, 12:01:35 AM
Adam reported OBJ first today FWIW. Seems like he’s good at his job.

I think the argument is that he gets this access because it the water he carries.

Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 13, 2021, 10:55:45 AM
Adam reported OBJ first today FWIW. Seems like he’s good at his job.

I think the argument is that he gets this access because it the water he carries.
Yeah, he did zero work to get where he’s at. Good point.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 13, 2021, 03:06:57 PM
Lib’s are shivering right now with this latest report

https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1459627218188046339?s=21
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: steve dave on November 25, 2021, 09:25:48 AM
Don’t know where to put this but seems like a good deal if you read, like, stuff

https://twitter.com/danbalz/status/1463555340667129871
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: sys on November 27, 2021, 07:25:05 PM
i'm mostly on the media's side in these things, but this is just an absolutely insane framing.

https://twitter.com/bernybelvedere/status/1464765117770387457
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: sys on November 27, 2021, 07:31:14 PM
Don’t know where to put this but seems like a good deal if you read, like, stuff

https://twitter.com/danbalz/status/1463555340667129871

that's a great deal, i'm gonna take that.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on December 12, 2021, 11:44:27 PM
https://twitter.com/latbbolch/status/1470141438298050572
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: nicname on January 06, 2022, 08:33:55 PM
Some journalists have been candid about post traumatic stress disorder following the insurrection. Walker said one hallmark of PTSD is to have eerily clear flashbacks -- something he has experienced when reflecting on Jan. 6.

"It was immediately apparent to me (that day) that a shooting could break out from either side at any moment, just because people had breached such a secure building,"  Hunter Walker said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/01/02/media/reliable-sources-jan-6-insurrection-anniversary/index.html


There is a video interview with Brian Stelter as well.

Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on January 20, 2022, 09:39:13 PM
https://twitter.com/SimoneReports/status/1484346679994175495
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 20, 2022, 09:41:45 PM
Most on site reporters make a shitty salary starting out. She probably does get paid that, for being on site for one 2 minute piece a day.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 8manpick on January 20, 2022, 09:59:36 PM
Wacky loves caping for MegaCorp over working folk because he had a job that didn’t pay well for a few years.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Kid In the Hall on January 20, 2022, 10:04:56 PM
Most on site reporters make a shitty salary starting out. She probably does get paid that, for being on site for one 2 minute piece a day.

That plus the other 7.9 hours of her shift when she's working on other stories...
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2022, 05:22:39 AM
Wacky loves caping for MegaCorp over working folk because he had a job that didn’t pay well for a few years.

Makes perfect sense
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 21, 2022, 08:41:06 AM
Got me, 8man!
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2022, 09:55:12 AM
you know it's not much difference than your stance on student loans. you suffered, therefore others in your situation should also suffer.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 21, 2022, 09:58:42 AM
Most of those people didn't live at home for 7 years after college and didn't work two jobs to make up for it, so yeah, you're right.

I was just confirming what that reporter probably makes and you and 8man made this a thing, somehow.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2022, 10:01:04 AM
Most of those people didn't live at home for 7 years after college and didn't work two jobs to make up for it, so yeah, you're right.

I was just confirming what that reporter probably makes and you and 8man made this a thing, somehow.

yeah that's just what you were doing
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 21, 2022, 10:10:07 AM
 :rolleyes: :buh-bye:
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Tobias on January 21, 2022, 10:10:59 AM
thread title checks out
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 21, 2022, 10:13:11 AM
@michigancat has been paid handsomely before by big cooperate, so I'm a bit bewildered on what he's doing here.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: kim carnes on January 21, 2022, 10:18:00 AM
you know it's not much difference than your stance on student loans. you suffered, therefore others in your situation should also suffer.

I’d love to hear you explain your stance on student loans, michigancat
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: LickNeckey on January 21, 2022, 12:00:00 PM
Most of those people didn't live at home for 7 years after college and didn't work two jobs to make up for it, so yeah, you're right.

I was just confirming what that reporter probably makes and you and 8man made this a thing, somehow.

wait what?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Spracne on January 21, 2022, 02:20:09 PM
@michigancat has been paid handsomely before by big cooperate, so I'm a bit bewildered on what he's doing here.

Is Big Cooperate like another name for the Democratic Socialists of America?  :confused:
Title: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Kat Kid on January 21, 2022, 03:17:09 PM
My teachers union lets me bully kids out their lunch money obviously, but in the new contract we can now go shake down parents for Amazon gift cards and make them give us Christmas presents so things are going pretty well.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2022, 03:40:59 PM
@michigancat has been paid handsomely before by big cooperate, so I'm a bit bewildered on what he's doing here.

Is Big Cooperate like another name for the Democratic Socialists of America?  :confused:

:D
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on February 05, 2022, 12:20:51 PM
https://twitter.com/CareyAMurdock/status/1489801939189739524
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: mocat on February 24, 2022, 12:12:04 PM
https://twitter.com/petersagal/status/1496856881893150722?s=20&t=sXvwFnMKeYadSKuORKma4A
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 09, 2022, 11:11:20 AM
Matthew Rosenberg of the NYT's on 1/6 reporters:  Rosenberg: “These rough ridin' little dweebs who keep going on about their trauma. Shut the eff up. They’re rough ridin' bitches.”
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on March 09, 2022, 11:47:55 AM
Matthew Rosenberg of the NYT's on 1/6 reporters:  Rosenberg: “These rough ridin' little dweebs who keep going on about their trauma. Shut the eff up. They’re rough ridin' bitches.”

Black people been saying this, y'all steal everything.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 09, 2022, 12:25:27 PM
The person you are looking for is Matt Rosenberg
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Spracne on March 09, 2022, 12:37:50 PM
Matthew Rosenberg of the NYT's on 1/6 reporters:  Rosenberg: “These rough ridin' little dweebs who keep going on about their trauma. Shut the eff up. They’re rough ridin' bitches.”

Don't know who this is, but I suddenly like him.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 09, 2022, 01:42:57 PM
Matt summarizes the entire meltdown about 1/6 quit well.



Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on June 09, 2022, 01:49:13 PM
Lots of action coming out of the saudi golf thing.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on June 09, 2022, 05:31:32 PM
Lots of action coming out of the saudi golf thing.

iknorite, don't even get me started on that bullshit
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: nicname on June 21, 2022, 11:45:21 PM
https://twitter.com/pewresearch/status/1536728963132932097
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on September 30, 2022, 04:12:21 PM
https://twitter.com/ashtonpittman/status/1575673367700508672
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Spracne on November 23, 2022, 01:10:31 PM
Anyone following the WaPo/Vogue beef re: Biden's granddaughter's wedding and the access/lack of access thereto? It's hilarious.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1595152633442205697?s=20&t=ndIgDMSfNMYmyYYDRwoZOg
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 23, 2022, 02:41:01 PM
That headline...
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on November 24, 2022, 09:01:31 AM
Anyone following the WaPo/Vogue beef re: Biden's granddaughter's wedding and the access/lack of access thereto? It's hilarious.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1595152633442205697?s=20&t=ndIgDMSfNMYmyYYDRwoZOg

The most appropriate use of this thread ever, my goodness.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on December 09, 2022, 09:26:24 PM
Not sure (time zones) if the body's cold yet.

https://twitter.com/MicahAdams13/status/1601406602598559745
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on December 11, 2022, 12:09:25 PM
https://twitter.com/choeshow/status/1601792462003261440
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Spracne on December 11, 2022, 06:19:50 PM
So much going on there.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on December 19, 2022, 10:14:18 AM
https://twitter.com/JennaLaineESPN/status/1604654008991420419
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: catastrophe on December 19, 2022, 11:00:46 AM
Bless u Jenna. It’s time the fourth estate started demanding answers.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on December 28, 2022, 10:20:09 AM
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1608134566765645830
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: wetwillie on December 28, 2022, 12:27:32 PM
“Write whatever the hell you want” still living rent free in Kurtz head.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: OK_Cat on December 28, 2022, 12:33:15 PM
sports journalists are the worst
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on December 28, 2022, 12:35:44 PM
“Write whatever the hell you want” still living rent free in Kurtz head.

https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1608160608909942784
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: catastrophe on December 28, 2022, 02:45:44 PM
It’s so bizarre he’s looking to die on this hill when the only discussion is about how stupid the question was.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: 'taterblast on December 28, 2022, 03:06:57 PM
it was a stupid question that certainly doesn't HAVE to be asked, but also Gundy threatening to ban the journalist is pretty weak. Team Nobody.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on December 29, 2022, 02:12:20 AM
This continues to be the dumbest thread on this board.

Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on December 29, 2022, 02:15:16 AM
I also don't want to tell homeboy's business without his permission but y'all have no idea what happened between John and the Snyder's, it goes far beyond Bill being testy with one question, way beyond.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on December 29, 2022, 02:35:27 AM
sports journalists are the worst

Yeah, they shouldn't take their jobs seriously because they don't do real journalism anyway.

https://web.archive.org/web/20070107224027/http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/the_bonus/01/04/corey.herring/index.html

https://www.pennlive.com/midstate/2011/11/exclusive_jerry_sandusky_inter.html

https://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/us/ncaa-athletes-reading-scores/

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/11/sports/ncaafootball/ncaa-baylor-sexual-assault.html

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/25/us/larry-nassar-indy-star/index.html

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/02/21/michigan-doctor-fired-sex-abuse-served-football-team-doctor-24-more-years/4835017002/
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on December 29, 2022, 08:10:01 AM
I also don't want to tell homeboy's business without his permission but y'all have no idea what happened between John and the Snyder's, it goes far beyond Bill being testy with one question, way beyond.
Looks like you just did
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: OK_Cat on December 29, 2022, 11:54:54 AM
sports journalists are the worst

Yeah, they shouldn't take their jobs seriously because they don't do real journalism anyway.

https://web.archive.org/web/20070107224027/http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/the_bonus/01/04/corey.herring/index.html

https://www.pennlive.com/midstate/2011/11/exclusive_jerry_sandusky_inter.html

https://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/us/ncaa-athletes-reading-scores/

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/11/sports/ncaafootball/ncaa-baylor-sexual-assault.html

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/25/us/larry-nassar-indy-star/index.html

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/02/21/michigan-doctor-fired-sex-abuse-served-football-team-doctor-24-more-years/4835017002/

For every one guy that breaks something important, there are 20 Kurtz's who ask questions that nobody cares about and get twitter butthurt.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: dal9 on December 30, 2022, 11:50:46 PM
NC State radio guy decided to go out in a blaze of glory for some reason
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35349790/nc-state-radio-voice-gary-hahn-suspended-illegal-aliens-reference
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on June 14, 2023, 01:55:29 PM
https://twitter.com/rachelvscott/status/1669023036559826962
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: mocat on June 14, 2023, 02:40:28 PM
lol
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Spracne on June 14, 2023, 02:52:59 PM
"I has THE NEWS!!!!"

Meanwhile, phones were allowed, and they were texting updates in real time.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: steve dave on July 07, 2023, 09:57:04 AM
they are all really honkin' off to this right now

https://twitter.com/ShehanJeyarajah/status/1677330255059599361
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 07, 2023, 10:08:47 AM
 :lol: :lol: :lol:  That particularly  :lol: :lol: :lol: in the context of what I just posted in the life and times of #blueanon/#blueanongE thread.

The desperation on both sides of the "journalist" domain to continually be invited to the table and to continually be invited to be room fillers on the cocktail party circuit is just an amazing follow.




 
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Kid In the Hall on July 07, 2023, 11:56:27 AM
they are all really honkin' off to this right now

https://twitter.com/ShehanJeyarajah/status/1677330255059599361

For anyone who's ever been in a TV newsroom and a print newsroom it's not... terribly inaccurate
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: star seed 7 on July 07, 2023, 12:27:23 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol:  That particularly  :lol: :lol: :lol: in the context of what I just posted in the life and times of #blueanon/#blueanongE thread.

The desperation on both sides of the "journalist" domain to continually be invited to the table and to continually be invited to be room fillers on the cocktail party circuit is just an amazing follow.

Literally was thinking the same thing
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: nicname on July 07, 2023, 12:37:52 PM
they are all really honkin' off to this right now

https://twitter.com/ShehanJeyarajah/status/1677330255059599361

For anyone who's ever been in a TV newsroom and a print newsroom it's not... terribly inaccurate

This is true
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 07, 2023, 12:38:58 PM
wait, people on tv are better looking than those who aren't?

wtf?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: bucket on July 07, 2023, 12:56:06 PM
This is probably why Bill blocked Shehan’s ass.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on July 10, 2023, 11:22:09 PM
https://twitter.com/GlobeBobRyan/status/1678524567969488899
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on July 11, 2023, 12:17:43 PM
https://twitter.com/GlobeBobRyan/status/1678524567969488899

Sorry bud, this doesn't fit. He said a day of infamy for American sports journalism. He knows exactly what the lane is and isn't straying from it. Now if he had just said American history, then yeah, persecution for sure. I think it's a pretty fair and accurate description that the newspapers in the two largest cities in America slashing their sports coverage is not a great day for American sports journalism.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on July 11, 2023, 01:47:15 PM
Capitalizing day and infamy is what qualified it.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on July 11, 2023, 01:51:23 PM
Capitalizing day and infamy is what qualified it.

He also got the date wrong but in the replies he gave himself crap about not having a copy editor
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on July 11, 2023, 11:51:14 PM
https://twitter.com/lebatardshow/status/1678812154638499840
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: steve dave on July 12, 2023, 05:24:25 AM
Oh man


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Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Pete on July 12, 2023, 07:28:26 AM
Isn’t sports “Journalism” closer to Entertainment Tonight and US magazine than it is to the rest of the work done at the Times and the Post?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: ChiComCat on July 12, 2023, 08:27:04 AM
Half the stuff on the Athletic reads like someone read a box score or looked at the standings and churned out a few paragraphs.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: XocolateThundarr on July 12, 2023, 08:46:22 AM
Half the stuff on the Athletic reads like someone read a box score or looked at the standings and churned out a few paragraphs.

Probably plugged a few nuggets into ChatGPT and let it rip.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: steve dave on July 12, 2023, 08:54:34 AM
Half the stuff on the Athletic reads like someone read a box score or looked at the standings and churned out a few paragraphs.

Probably plugged a few nuggets into ChatGPT and let it rip.
Yeah, it reads like the auto generated Gamechanger write ups for youth baseball games.

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Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on July 13, 2023, 05:24:29 AM
Isn’t sports “Journalism” closer to Entertainment Tonight and US magazine than it is to the rest of the work done at the Times and the Post?

Maybe, but he didn't try to draw any further significance of sports journalism. This thread is watered down as hell. If he went on to draw some Watergate or Boston Globe uncovering abuse in the Catholic Church parallels, I mean then yeah, but he didn't do that.

Also that student newspaper absolutely single handedly got Pat Fitzgerald fired and the UP and his initial 2 week suspension for Fitzgerald might be next. They reported on that hazing when no one else had it. They stayed with it even when the school seemingly dropped the ball.

It's pretty hard, for just me I guess, to simultaneously compare sports journalism to Us Weekly and dismiss sports journalists who uncovered widespread bullying and racial issues within a football program at one of America's most prestigious universities.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Pete on July 13, 2023, 07:05:55 AM
Were the student reporters SPORTS journalists, or journalists covering a story that was related to sports?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Pete on July 13, 2023, 07:38:50 AM
I just checked, the student journalism appears to have been done by real news journalists and not sports entertainment followers.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on July 14, 2023, 12:06:47 AM
Your research didn't lead you to discover that the Daily Northwestern doesn't have dedicated sports writers? All of the journalists working on that Fitzgerald story have written other sports pieces outside of that. One of them wrote an article about the NBA Summer League right before they broke the Fitzgerald story.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Pete on July 14, 2023, 07:11:15 AM
That's good, I'm glad for them that they write about more than just sports, OR are they are forced to write about sports in addition to real news as a part of a balanced curriculum?  Though if someone wanted to waste a Northwestern education learning to write about entertainment then free country I guess. 
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on August 15, 2023, 02:40:17 PM
What a dumb rough ridin' dickhead. Even made her own hashtag :ROFL:
https://twitter.com/sagesteele/status/1691437577797337088?t=dNQm0rpMkXDyJkd-DSLShg&s=19
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: steve dave on August 16, 2023, 09:37:41 PM
I have no idea what this is about and don't care to find out but it reminded me how aggressively sports journos honk off to buzz.

https://twitter.com/ByPatForde/status/1691999191428411867
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Spracne on August 16, 2023, 10:47:30 PM
Listen up: I have no patience for any chucklehead who thinks our kids can't watch Friday Night Lights. In fact, I'm rewatching it currently. And guess what? I'm enjoying the hell out of it. But I also have no patience to learn the name Buzz Bissinger, so me and Kyle Chandler are quietly quitting.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on August 16, 2023, 11:52:51 PM
One of my favorite things about Coach Taylor is how when he says he appreciates something…most of the time he actually does not, in fact, appreciate that thing. Probably resents it, if anything.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Spracne on August 16, 2023, 11:59:22 PM
One of my favorite things about Coach Taylor is how when he says he appreciates something…most of the time he actually does not, in fact, appreciate that thing. Probably resents it, if anything.

Deal with it, IMO

(https://ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2017/03/ap_tv_friday_night_lights_19694075-e1488892229353.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1)
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on August 21, 2023, 10:30:03 PM
(https://i.imgur.io/PRo0dqR_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on August 21, 2023, 10:44:09 PM
(https://i.imgur.io/cXp8ove_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on August 30, 2023, 08:52:23 AM
Front page of this morning's  Daily Tar Heel:

https://twitter.com/caitlyn_yaede/status/1696678904683970574?s=20
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on August 30, 2023, 03:29:50 PM
Trim are you okay?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on September 13, 2023, 07:48:38 PM
Persecution grievance somewhat walked back. Awkward!

https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1702118049107615818
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on September 18, 2023, 12:59:36 AM
Again you have watered down this thread to the point that it makes no sense.

I'm inclined to say she shouldn't have apologized but if was flatly lying about him then yeah she should have apologized and probably fired.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Kid In the Hall on September 18, 2023, 12:56:25 PM
Just a clarifying point - team reporters aren't real reporters. They're mouthpieces for the teams. Some of them - not all, but certainly some - try and project themselves as real reporters (usually the ones who previously were real reporters who got laid off and then turned to the "dark side"). But, they aren't. They're basically PR people who write stories.

So, if I'm the Bills, and I'm paying a salary to someone to write favorable coverage for my own team's website, social channels, etc., yeah, I'd probably be irritated by this "reporter's" oopsie.

Note - one could also argue that the vast majority of reporters who cover sports aren't "real" reporters and that's a fair viewpoint. It's certainly the viewpoint of many reporters who cover non-sports...
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on September 19, 2023, 10:44:37 PM
https://twitter.com/MirjamSwanson/status/1704260390509817954
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: star seed 7 on September 19, 2023, 10:46:42 PM
Mirjam should be a gE event
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on September 20, 2023, 11:39:46 AM
https://twitter.com/MirjamSwanson/status/1704260390509817954

If I'm reading this correctly, someone wrote a story and used quotes he got from eavesdropping on two players talking to each other? That's shady as crap, confused as to why he thought that was something he should have done.

Mirjam should be a gE event

Am I the only graduate of the Alexander Quintella Miller School of Journalism and Communication left on this board?  :cry:
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Kid In the Hall on September 20, 2023, 12:32:13 PM
https://twitter.com/MirjamSwanson/status/1704260390509817954

If I'm reading this correctly, someone wrote a story and used quotes he got from eavesdropping on two players talking to each other? That's shady as crap, confused as to why he thought that was something he should have done.

Mirjam should be a gE event

Am I the only graduate of the Alexander Quintella Miller School of Journalism and Communication left on this board?  :cry:

You aren't, but "integrity" and "sports journalism" are an increasingly rare pairing.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: passranch on September 20, 2023, 03:28:22 PM

You aren't, but "integrity" and "sports journalism" are an increasingly rare pairing.


I noticed today at lunch that ESPN now features Chris "Mad Dog" Russo on the Stephen A. Smith show.  Saw him just screaming at the camera and waving his hands around like a rough ridin' lunatic...and this is on top of an already totally unhinged production.  Who can actually stand to watch that idiocy any more?
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on September 20, 2023, 09:38:31 PM
https://twitter.com/BillPlaschke/status/1704614352219971728
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: MakeItRain on September 20, 2023, 10:12:47 PM

You aren't, but "integrity" and "sports journalism" are an increasingly rare pairing.


I noticed today at lunch that ESPN now features Chris "Mad Dog" Russo on the Stephen A. Smith show.  Saw him just screaming at the camera and waving his hands around like a rough ridin' lunatic...and this is on top of an already totally unhinged production.  Who can actually stand to watch that idiocy any more?

Nah brotha, you're wrong on this one.
https://twitter.com/JimmyTraina/status/1704519270791573949
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on September 21, 2023, 02:18:27 AM
https://twitter.com/GaryParrishCBS/status/1704679539794723001
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: passranch on September 21, 2023, 01:52:58 PM


Nah brotha, you're wrong on this one.


Clearly.  ESPN wouldn't put this crap on TV if it wasn't wildly popular.  I just happen to think it's horribly idiotic.  My question was rhetorical.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on September 21, 2023, 08:35:00 PM
:frown:

https://twitter.com/AnnLHaley/status/1704983002290463080
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on October 09, 2023, 08:44:00 PM
https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/1711538511206089213
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: mocat on October 13, 2023, 11:33:44 AM
the braves clubhouse reporter thing is lol in a very this thread type of way
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on October 13, 2023, 03:26:35 PM
the braves clubhouse reporter thing is lol in a very this thread type of way

:excited:

https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1712604715207520303
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on November 16, 2023, 11:47:26 PM
So much today. :excited:

https://x.com/kathryntappen/status/1725288317384556651
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: star seed 7 on November 17, 2023, 12:26:58 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on November 17, 2023, 09:20:51 AM
Uh oh.
https://twitter.com/Cassidy_Rob/status/1725521072819229048
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on November 17, 2023, 12:01:32 PM
:lol:

https://twitter.com/afeldMMA/status/1725556535646953733
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: wetwillie on November 17, 2023, 12:26:42 PM
Oh wow I saw that clip a while back and didn't really think anything of it.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on November 17, 2023, 08:08:26 PM
https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1725514671908868443
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: catastrophe on November 17, 2023, 08:32:47 PM
That is actually hilarious that she just made up stupid coachspeak instead of just, like, not cutting to her just to make up a story.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on November 25, 2023, 04:34:13 PM
https://twitter.com/TreyWallace_/status/1728497681465504201
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on December 04, 2023, 07:09:48 PM
https://twitter.com/MJAcostaTV/status/1731765459882573872
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on January 16, 2024, 02:33:00 PM
https://twitter.com/bepryor/status/1747060614705418633
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Spracne on January 16, 2024, 02:38:56 PM
I mean it was a bullshit question, but he didn't have to make a big thing about it.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: bucket on January 16, 2024, 02:55:55 PM
I mean it was a bullshit question, but he didn't have to make a big thing about it.

I felt like both of their actions were appropriate.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: catastrophe on January 16, 2024, 03:55:22 PM
I was confused by the clip I watched. It looked like they had already asked all their questions and then after a pause some guy was like "annnnyone else"? And then she started that question and Tomlin just left.

If that's the case, it's not nearly as dramatic as some have reported. He just knew he wasn't going to have any kind of answer (or already answered the question) and instead of saying as much he peaced out.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on January 16, 2024, 04:49:52 PM
Her tweeting about it is what got her here much more so than the event.
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2024, 10:08:12 PM
First thoughts . . . Thank the FSM for that 1.5 trillion dollar plus Federal deficit spending

https://twitter.com/mualphaxi/status/1761386185916600385?s=46&t=-jwPwnR3rKHM9sk9hA7h8g


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Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: Trim on April 17, 2024, 11:04:34 PM
https://themercury.com/opinion/from-the-publisher-how-we-control-the-weather/article_503cdfd7-c147-590f-ad34-a945df138d3b.html
Title: Re: Journalist persecution/heroism (lol, thread is re: journalist self-importance)
Post by: nicname on April 18, 2024, 03:21:54 AM
Thought this was gonna be about the Gregg Doyel cringe fest featuring Caitlin Clark