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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: Trim on May 31, 2020, 10:44:50 AM
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From the original:
A lot of journalists have “f) some cnn people were arrested for a little bit” at the top of their lists.
Yes, this reminds me of when Frank was mean to some townie journos and they all lost their minds.
:lol:
(https://i.imgur.com/AxnoD2J_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Keep the real victims, the journalists, in your T&P's tonight.
https://twitter.com/chrisvanderveen/status/1266616480004632576
On this theme, journalists are VERY concerned that Trump falsely said DC police weren't helping with protest control last night
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1266771305900187648
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1266771373835407367
Also this lol
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1266755788082761729
https://twitter.com/indynewsguild/status/1266791489503465472?s=20
Heros
https://twitter.com/KyungLahCNN/status/1266763047319691264
Journalists are really pissed about journalists getting shot with rubber bullets
https://twitter.com/MikeGeorgeCBS/status/1266916104951214080
:lol:
https://twitter.com/HuffPostUnion/status/1266941419522048000
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https://twitter.com/reporterdavidj/status/1266966021077962752
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https://twitter.com/ChristinaKVUE/status/1267065951385800705
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Maybe goes better in greatest K-State beat writer threat, but whatever.
https://twitter.com/Matthew_D_Hall/status/1267094247829839875
https://twitter.com/Matthew_D_Hall/status/1267098623285833728
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How do you “stop” a guy who had no intention of hurting anyone?
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My fav so far is def the pic of the guy’s bruise with an explanation that he’ll be ok.
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Maybe goes better in greatest K-State beat writer threat, but whatever.
https://twitter.com/Matthew_D_Hall/status/1267094247829839875
https://twitter.com/Matthew_D_Hall/status/1267098623285833728
I’m really starting to worry about him
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Splitting the Matt Hall stuff out, mocking journalists for covering the police going after journalists doesn't show what you think it does.
Journalists have covered war zones with more safety than is being provided on city streets in America. These tough guy cops can't even be as restrained as third world dictators. The CNN thing should have gotten even more coverage. Knowing what the MPD knew about what is going on in the city and in this country, they couldn't even be bothered to let two black journalists do their job, when there were white media members all over the rough ridin' place. How many black members of the press do you think those cops saw that day, in comparison to the white media members. It wasn't some coincidence that those two guys were the ones arrested.
The media are the only things providing the checks to the cops causing havoc and destruction. God knows the districts attorney won't rough ridin' do anything about these abusive cops. All we have are cameras and potential shame from being exposed.
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Splitting the Matt Hall stuff out, mocking journalists for covering the police going after journalists doesn't show what you think it does.
Journalists have covered war zones with more safety than is being provided on city streets in America. These tough guy cops can't even be as restrained as third world dictators. The CNN thing should have gotten even more coverage. Knowing what the MPD knew about what is going on in the city and in this country, they couldn't even be bothered to let two black journalists do their job, when there were white media members all over the rough ridin' place. How many black members of the press do you think those cops saw that day, in comparison to the white media members. It wasn't some coincidence that those two guys were the ones arrested.
The media are the only things providing the checks to the cops causing havoc and destruction. God knows the districts attorney won't rough ridin' do anything about these abusive cops. All we have are cameras and potential shame from being exposed.
You make good points. I think my issue is that there's this attitude that what is happening to the press is far worse than what is happening to protestors based on the level of condemnation you see from them.
Also you have to admit the CNN sign tweet was pretty bad.
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Splitting the Matt Hall stuff out, mocking journalists for covering the police going after journalists doesn't show what you think it does.
Journalists have covered war zones with more safety than is being provided on city streets in America. These tough guy cops can't even be as restrained as third world dictators. The CNN thing should have gotten even more coverage. Knowing what the MPD knew about what is going on in the city and in this country, they couldn't even be bothered to let two black journalists do their job, when there were white media members all over the rough ridin' place. How many black members of the press do you think those cops saw that day, in comparison to the white media members. It wasn't some coincidence that those two guys were the ones arrested.
The media are the only things providing the checks to the cops causing havoc and destruction. God knows the districts attorney won't rough ridin' do anything about these abusive cops. All we have are cameras and potential shame from being exposed.
completely agree. the media can slip into unattractive navel gazing at times, but it is vital that they cover these events (and everything else). it is a huge deal that law enforcement, broadly speaking, appears to be targeting them and preventing or impeding their ability to observe and communicate the events to the public.
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media navel gazing
I'm keeping my thread title, but yes, that's what this thread is for.
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wesley lowery hits at what I was trying to say better than I did (thread):
https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery/status/1267163200979636224
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I don't get the impression that the media thinks what is happening to them is any worse than what happens to the protesters. I actually think of the media as a whole the same way that I do the protesters. Their role in this is to tell the story of the protesters, they are right there along side of them. They're getting arrested, gassed, and assaulted just like the protesters are.
The CNN tweet was cringy, but I agree with the sentiment. I also think that the media gets undue crap and not enough credit for doing good, this was before they had to deal with the orange ape and his fake news army. The fact that they're always being mocked, from all sides, probably has a bit to do with the navel gazing.
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https://twitter.com/cjtackett/status/1267065710540455936
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https://twitter.com/CyrusBeschloss/status/1267264232967548929
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https://twitter.com/RachelSB/status/1267260438900867074
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Yahh Violence!!
https://twitter.com/SimoneEli_TV/status/1267313721723858949?s=20
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garrett haake (good dude) gets hit by a police projectile (he later said he thought it was a bean bag or something, not one of the rubber bullets). this is kind of a funny clip, but i've seen a couple of photos on twitter of people who have apparently lost an eye or lost vision in an eye from rubber bullets.
https://twitter.com/getti_hulahoops/status/1267293389860384768
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https://twitter.com/JimNelsonTV/status/1267246200102760450
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delete
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garrett haake (good dude) gets hit by a police projectile (he later said he thought it was a bean bag or something, not one of the rubber bullets). this is kind of a funny clip, but i've seen a couple of photos on twitter of people who have apparently lost an eye or lost vision in an eye from rubber bullets.
https://twitter.com/getti_hulahoops/status/1267293389860384768
Lol. That is pretty funny.
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Yeah I definitely do not envy the journos in the middle of this crap.
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Apparently a rare incident of gun play in BHAM
https://twitter.com/BrittanyDtvNews/status/1267321985475936257?s=20
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https://twitter.com/MaliqueRankin/status/1267319709265022977
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https://twitter.com/chrispalmernba/status/1267339163805728770
:lol:
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nba/news/espn-nba-reporter-tweets-george-floyd-protests/1eefhr1gpdx791oxlllizoun9i
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not good.
https://twitter.com/BresPolitico/status/1267513147604295682
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My God, I wasn't prepared for how 100% awful that dudes tweets are. Also I've literally been reading NBA stories since ESPN started a website and I've never heard of that dude.
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https://twitter.com/7NewsAustralia/status/1267680496965697536
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https://twitter.com/7NewsAustralia/status/1267680496965697536
I mean, our president should be doing the same for this and hundreds of other cases that have been filmed in the last five days. At the very least governors and mayors should
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How in the eff did we miss this?
https://twitter.com/GuthrieGF/status/1266552085870493697
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Wow those guys are idiots
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How in the eff did we miss this?
https://twitter.com/GuthrieGF/status/1266552085870493697
That cop should be in jail for years
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https://twitter.com/brett_mcgurk/status/1267662905383596032
View from the cameraman assaulted in DC last night
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This dumb wench writes for the Washington Examiner
https://twitter.com/ewufortheloss/status/1267539200846389249
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:lol:
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https://twitter.com/uspresstracker/status/1267780353332314114
This account = this thread. The pinned tweet is a running tally of incidents.
https://twitter.com/uspresstracker/status/1267939824461328384
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https://twitter.com/uspresstracker/status/1267780353332314114
BTW this was 24 hours after Des Moines cops were doing that fake take a knee crap. The officers have generally been good here but the two days they have really gone crazy is when the protesters gathered at the state capitol building, which is what happened here.
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BREAKING!!!
https://twitter.com/byAustinMeek/status/1267982743453028352
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https://heavy.com/news/2020/06/fiona-moriarty-mclaughlin-instagram-viral-video/
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https://twitter.com/letsgomathias/status/1268177816526499840?s=20
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I don't know enough about journalism law to know why journalists shouldn't be arrested for doing exactly what other citizens are being arrested for
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I don't know enough about journalism law to know why journalists shouldn't be arrested for doing exactly what other citizens are being arrested for
And in this day and age where everyone's holding a camera phone with access to twitter, I don't really know that the "journalist"/"other citizens" distinction really even meaningfully exists.
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I don't know enough about journalism law to know why journalists shouldn't be arrested for doing exactly what other citizens are being arrested for
No specific laws, of course the first amendment allows for freedom of speech along with freedom to assemble
I don't know enough about journalism law to know why journalists shouldn't be arrested for doing exactly what other citizens are being arrested for
And in this day and age where everyone's holding a camera phone with access to twitter, I don't really know that the "journalist"/"other citizens" distinction really even meaningfully exists.
He has a press pass, it's just another case of the NYPD acting first, asking questions somewhere else down the line, literally the opposite of what they should be doing. That journalist and the rest of the people those cops were chasing were not in the act of committing a crime. Detain first, ask questions later is exactly what's broken here.
I'll also point out that the NYPD should be questioned as to whether they are targeting media because of the scrutiny they have faced.
I'll also mention again that the police today are treating media much worse than the North Vietnamese communists during the Vietnam War.
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I don't know enough about journalism law to know why journalists shouldn't be arrested for doing exactly what other citizens are being arrested for
No specific laws, of course the first amendment allows for freedom of speech along with freedom to assemble
I don't know enough about journalism law to know why journalists shouldn't be arrested for doing exactly what other citizens are being arrested for
And in this day and age where everyone's holding a camera phone with access to twitter, I don't really know that the "journalist"/"other citizens" distinction really even meaningfully exists.
He has a press pass, it's just another case of the NYPD acting first, asking questions somewhere else down the line, literally the opposite of what they should be doing. That journalist and the rest of the people those cops were chasing were not in the act of committing a crime. Detain first, ask questions later is exactly what's broken here.
I'll also point out that the NYPD should be questioned as to whether they are targeting media because of the scrutiny they have faced.
I'll also mention again that the police today are treating media much worse than the North Vietnamese communists during the Vietnam War.
Yeah all I'm saying (really just wondering about -- haven't thought about it very much) is that using "I'm media!" as a distinct shield in 2020 doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I'm not excusing what the cops did (to the media or anyone else) at all, I just don't know why a camera guy for CNN should have any more protection or freedom than some guy holding up a phone.
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I'm more looking at it that if journalists shouldn't be harassed and beat up and arrested then all the other citizens shouldn't either
(Directed at MiR)
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I think at a bare minimum you should be entitled to a presumption you’re not any kind of a threat if you’re at a protest repping a major media outlet.
Should be much easier to prove a claim of excessive use of force if you’re a media member displaying credentials.
For rando dudes holding phones, cops would have a much easier time arguing they thought the person was about to attack or some BS like that.
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Who issues press credentials for gathering/protest/riot coverage?
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Who issues press credentials for gathering/protest/riot coverage?
My understanding is that Kenny Lanaou issues press credentials for everything.
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Who issues press credentials for gathering/protest/riot coverage?
My understanding is that Kenny Lanaou issues press credentials for everything.
I was thinking of exactly that when I asked. :lol:
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https://twitter.com/JJusseroKIRO7/status/1268316485438472193
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good headline.
https://twitter.com/markberman/status/1268368940620791809
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No one thinks the media should not be subjected to more freedoms that any other citizen. Did that really need to be said? When you are hearing these men and women say "I'm media" it's much easier to say that than "Hey, I'm here for my job, someone else is requiring me to be here. I need my job. I like eating and paying my bills. Please don't shoot, gas, beat, or arrest me, I'm working, just like you are."
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https://twitter.com/MelissainJax/status/1268307717241753600
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https://twitter.com/MelissainJax/status/1268307717241753600
The world's five deadliest countries for journalists include three — India, Mexico and, for the first time, the United States — where journalists were killed in cold blood, even though those countries weren't at war or in conflict, the group said.
"The hatred of journalists that is voiced ... by unscrupulous politicians, religious leaders and businessmen has tragic consequences on the ground, and has been reflected in this disturbing increase in violations against journalists," Secretary-General Christophe Deloire said in a statement.
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https://twitter.com/MelissainJax/status/1268307717241753600
That article is a year and a half old.
From the referenced report in the article:
The United States joined the ranks of the world’s deadliest countries for the media this
year, with a total of six journalists killed. Four journalists were among the five employees
of the Capital Gazette, a local newspaper in Annapolis, Maryland, who were killed on
28 June when a man walked in and opened fire with a shotgun. He had been harassing
the newspaper for six years on Twitter about a 2011 article that named him. It was the
deadliest attack on a media outlet in the US in modern history. Two other journalists, a
local TV anchor and cameraman, were killed by a falling tree while covering Subtropical
Storm Alberto’s extreme weather in North Carolina in May.
https://rsf.org/sites/default/files/worldwilde_round-up.pdf
smh
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:lol:
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The time has come for America to stop falling trees from 2018's subtropical storm Alberto.
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Apparently, everyone gets their turn.
https://twitter.com/jangelooff/status/1268703137424121857
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https://twitter.com/MelissainJax/status/1268307717241753600
That article is a year and a half old.
From the referenced report in the article:
The United States joined the ranks of the world’s deadliest countries for the media this
year, with a total of six journalists killed. Four journalists were among the five employees
of the Capital Gazette, a local newspaper in Annapolis, Maryland, who were killed on
28 June when a man walked in and opened fire with a shotgun. He had been harassing
the newspaper for six years on Twitter about a 2011 article that named him. It was the
deadliest attack on a media outlet in the US in modern history. Two other journalists, a
local TV anchor and cameraman, were killed by a falling tree while covering Subtropical
Storm Alberto’s extreme weather in North Carolina in May.
https://rsf.org/sites/default/files/worldwilde_round-up.pdf
smh
I know how old the article was, I just found it interesting for the thread, it's not like there's been a new found adoration for the media since 2018. The dudes falling out of the tree is tragic and hilarious.
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Apparently, everyone gets their turn.
https://twitter.com/jangelooff/status/1268703137424121857
NYPD, weird, they're never unhinged.
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:lol:
https://twitter.com/PacNWGuild/status/1286818103557382145
Here's the actual subpoena.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7006585-Subpoena-Duces-Tecum-Seattle-Times-Company-Et-Al.html
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I'm not going to read a 21 page subpoena, so you're going to have to tell me what's funny about that press release. This seems to be a very clear first amendment infringement.
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Looks like the subpoena is for relevant photos and videos in their possession. Not sure how that implicates the first amendment.
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The request is for footage that exists over the course of 90 minutes within 2 square blocks that could solve the remaining mysteries of an arson and stolen firearms, and the Judge (with knowledge of the first amendment) granted it.
So now press releases like that and other virtual journalism lawn orgies are happening.
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Not that I think the subpoena undermines the press release. I just think the position is kind of ridiculous that just because you’re a journalist you shouldn’t have to provide helpful documents that anyone else would be required to provide.
This isn’t an instance of going after confidential sources of information. MAYBE the photos and videos show identities of informants but that’s not what the press release says.
They should just publicly post the raw footage. Seems much more in line with their mission as journalists.
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So we're to the point where owning the bloggers is more important than the media's need to cover stories without the cops scouring their footage and notes to find "criminals." There's no Pandora's Box potential here at all. Trim, you used to be a prosecutor, right?
https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2020/seattle-times-judge-subpoena-protest-police/
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So we're to the point where owning the bloggers is more important than the media's need to cover stories without the cops scouring their footage and notes to find "criminals." There's no Pandora's Box potential here at all. Trim, you used to be a prosecutor, right?
https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2020/seattle-times-judge-subpoena-protest-police/
All of the quotes that journalism school student put together in your link and that it was presented that way at all in the link, are more examples of the things I'm lol'n at.
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Yeah, their point is that people might attack journalists if they knew the journalists would have to give over their footage in a criminal investigation? And that is why the First Amendment is at risk?
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So we're to the point where owning the bloggers is more important than the media's need to cover stories without the cops scouring their footage and notes to find "criminals." There's no Pandora's Box potential here at all. Trim, you used to be a prosecutor, right?
https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2020/seattle-times-judge-subpoena-protest-police/
All of the quotes that journalism school student put together in your link and that it was presented that way at all in the link, are more examples of the things I'm lol'n at.
Those quotes are from three different attorneys and none from journalists. Maybe move this to the prosecutors who will let the cops do whatever they want despite the pleas from constitutionalists thread?
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So we're to the point where owning the bloggers is more important than the media's need to cover stories without the cops scouring their footage and notes to find "criminals." There's no Pandora's Box potential here at all. Trim, you used to be a prosecutor, right?
https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2020/seattle-times-judge-subpoena-protest-police/
All of the quotes that journalism school student put together in your link and that it was presented that way at all in the link, are more examples of the things I'm lol'n at.
Those quotes are from three different attorneys and none from journalists. Maybe move this to the prosecutors who will let the cops do whatever they want despite the pleas from constitutionalists thread?
Maybe four! Not sure about Frank.
Madeline Lamo, a media litigation fellow for the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press
Frank LoMonte, the director for the Brechner Center for Freedom of Information at the University of Florida
Eric Stahl, the attorney representing the five news outlets
NPPA general counsel Mickey Osterreicher
And it's quite an argument they've presented to constituent media types. But in the real world and particularly in court, it's lol ridiculous, the court part being especially relevant to attorneys.
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So we're to the point where owning the bloggers is more important than the media's need to cover stories without the cops scouring their footage and notes to find "criminals." There's no Pandora's Box potential here at all. Trim, you used to be a prosecutor, right?
https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2020/seattle-times-judge-subpoena-protest-police/
All of the quotes that journalism school student put together in your link and that it was presented that way at all in the link, are more examples of the things I'm lol'n at.
Those quotes are from three different attorneys and none from journalists. Maybe move this to the prosecutors who will let the cops do whatever they want despite the pleas from constitutionalists thread?
Maybe four! Not sure about Frank.
Madeline Lamo, a media litigation fellow for the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press
Frank LoMonte, the director for the Brechner Center for Freedom of Information at the University of Florida
Eric Stahl, the attorney representing the five news outlets
NPPA general counsel Mickey Osterreicher
And it's quite an argument they've presented to constituent media types. But in the real world and particularly in court, it's lol ridiculous, the court part being especially relevant to attorneys.
So how do you propose this goes down?
Cops: Hey Seattle media, we want to solve some crimes and our investigation has hit a snag, give us your video and photos.
Times, KIRO, KING, KOMO: uh, isn't there a shield law that protects us from giving that to you?
Cops: We're the cops, rough ridin' give it to us.
Media: uh wait. Lawyers, do we have to do this
Media Attorneys: sure why not, give it to them, give them whatever they need, it should be fine, the cops won't overreach at all.
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This isn't some sort of novel concept. It's a subpoena, like any other.
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So we're to the point where owning the bloggers is more important than the media's need to cover stories without the cops scouring their footage and notes to find "criminals." There's no Pandora's Box potential here at all. Trim, you used to be a prosecutor, right?
https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2020/seattle-times-judge-subpoena-protest-police/
All of the quotes that journalism school student put together in your link and that it was presented that way at all in the link, are more examples of the things I'm lol'n at.
Those quotes are from three different attorneys and none from journalists. Maybe move this to the prosecutors who will let the cops do whatever they want despite the pleas from constitutionalists thread?
Maybe four! Not sure about Frank.
Madeline Lamo, a media litigation fellow for the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press
Frank LoMonte, the director for the Brechner Center for Freedom of Information at the University of Florida
Eric Stahl, the attorney representing the five news outlets
NPPA general counsel Mickey Osterreicher
And it's quite an argument they've presented to constituent media types. But in the real world and particularly in court, it's lol ridiculous, the court part being especially relevant to attorneys.
So how do you propose this goes down?
Cops: Hey Seattle media, we want to solve some crimes and our investigation has hit a snag, give us your video and photos.
Times, KIRO, KING, KOMO: uh, isn't there a shield law that protects us from giving that to you?
Cops: We're the cops, rough ridin' give it to us.
Media: uh wait. Lawyers, do we have to do this
Media Attorneys: sure why not, give it to them, give them whatever they need, it should be fine, the cops won't overreach at all.
You sure seem to think the First Amendment is important.
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So we're to the point where owning the bloggers is more important than the media's need to cover stories without the cops scouring their footage and notes to find "criminals." There's no Pandora's Box potential here at all. Trim, you used to be a prosecutor, right?
https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2020/seattle-times-judge-subpoena-protest-police/
All of the quotes that journalism school student put together in your link and that it was presented that way at all in the link, are more examples of the things I'm lol'n at.
Those quotes are from three different attorneys and none from journalists. Maybe move this to the prosecutors who will let the cops do whatever they want despite the pleas from constitutionalists thread?
Maybe four! Not sure about Frank.
Madeline Lamo, a media litigation fellow for the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press
Frank LoMonte, the director for the Brechner Center for Freedom of Information at the University of Florida
Eric Stahl, the attorney representing the five news outlets
NPPA general counsel Mickey Osterreicher
And it's quite an argument they've presented to constituent media types. But in the real world and particularly in court, it's lol ridiculous, the court part being especially relevant to attorneys.
So how do you propose this goes down?
Cops: Hey Seattle media, we want to solve some crimes and our investigation has hit a snag, give us your video and photos.
Times, KIRO, KING, KOMO: uh, isn't there a shield law that protects us from giving that to you?
Cops: We're the cops, rough ridin' give it to us.
Media: uh wait. Lawyers, do we have to do this
Media Attorneys: sure why not, give it to them, give them whatever they need, it should be fine, the cops won't overreach at all.
You sure seem to think the First Amendment is important.
lol, when did I indicate that it wasn't? Don't be dense, literally every single person in this county values the first amendment. You think I don't because I interpret it differently than you do? That's MAGA as eff. It's a nebulous 45 word passage created 230 years ago when it was legal to own slaves, there are thousands if not millions of ways to interpret it.
I don't think it should be used as a shield for people who intend on terrorizing people, how very unamerican of me.
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So we're to the point where owning the bloggers is more important than the media's need to cover stories without the cops scouring their footage and notes to find "criminals." There's no Pandora's Box potential here at all. Trim, you used to be a prosecutor, right?
https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2020/seattle-times-judge-subpoena-protest-police/
All of the quotes that journalism school student put together in your link and that it was presented that way at all in the link, are more examples of the things I'm lol'n at.
Those quotes are from three different attorneys and none from journalists. Maybe move this to the prosecutors who will let the cops do whatever they want despite the pleas from constitutionalists thread?
Maybe four! Not sure about Frank.
Madeline Lamo, a media litigation fellow for the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press
Frank LoMonte, the director for the Brechner Center for Freedom of Information at the University of Florida
Eric Stahl, the attorney representing the five news outlets
NPPA general counsel Mickey Osterreicher
And it's quite an argument they've presented to constituent media types. But in the real world and particularly in court, it's lol ridiculous, the court part being especially relevant to attorneys.
So how do you propose this goes down?
Cops: Hey Seattle media, we want to solve some crimes and our investigation has hit a snag, give us your video and photos.
Times, KIRO, KING, KOMO: uh, isn't there a shield law that protects us from giving that to you?
Cops: We're the cops, rough ridin' give it to us.
Media: uh wait. Lawyers, do we have to do this
Media Attorneys: sure why not, give it to them, give them whatever they need, it should be fine, the cops won't overreach at all.
Not quite.
Cops: Well, eff. The piece we need might be in the hands of Times, KIRO, KING, KOMO. We're gonna need to request a subpoena from the court.
Court: [reviews subpoena]. Yep, this is narrow enough and meets all the criteria, granted.
Media: [upon getting subpoena and deciding to extrapolate it to some ingrained principle] We don't want to obey this, let's talk to lawyers.
Media attorneys: [reviewing and knowing it's a loser but whatever, this isn't a contingency case] Yeah, we'll take your case and argue to court and also argue in the press
Media and media attorneys: [upon losing] let's keep making a thing of this, which is easy as we are the entity that informs people
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So we're to the point where owning the bloggers is more important than the media's need to cover stories without the cops scouring their footage and notes to find "criminals." There's no Pandora's Box potential here at all. Trim, you used to be a prosecutor, right?
https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2020/seattle-times-judge-subpoena-protest-police/
All of the quotes that journalism school student put together in your link and that it was presented that way at all in the link, are more examples of the things I'm lol'n at.
Those quotes are from three different attorneys and none from journalists. Maybe move this to the prosecutors who will let the cops do whatever they want despite the pleas from constitutionalists thread?
Maybe four! Not sure about Frank.
Madeline Lamo, a media litigation fellow for the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press
Frank LoMonte, the director for the Brechner Center for Freedom of Information at the University of Florida
Eric Stahl, the attorney representing the five news outlets
NPPA general counsel Mickey Osterreicher
And it's quite an argument they've presented to constituent media types. But in the real world and particularly in court, it's lol ridiculous, the court part being especially relevant to attorneys.
So how do you propose this goes down?
Cops: Hey Seattle media, we want to solve some crimes and our investigation has hit a snag, give us your video and photos.
Times, KIRO, KING, KOMO: uh, isn't there a shield law that protects us from giving that to you?
Cops: We're the cops, rough ridin' give it to us.
Media: uh wait. Lawyers, do we have to do this
Media Attorneys: sure why not, give it to them, give them whatever they need, it should be fine, the cops won't overreach at all.
Not quite.
Cops: Well, eff. The piece we need might be in the hands of Times, KIRO, KING, KOMO. We're gonna need to request a subpoena from the court.
Court: [reviews subpoena]. Yep, this is narrow enough and meets all the criteria, granted.
Media: [upon getting subpoena and deciding to extrapolate it to some ingrained principle] We don't want to obey this, let's talk to lawyers.
Media attorneys: [reviewing and knowing it's a loser but whatever, this isn't a contingency case] Yeah, we'll take your case and argue to court and also argue in the press
Media and media attorneys: [upon losing] let's keep making a thing of this, which is easy as we are the entity that informs people
So your contention isn't that they shouldn't have fought for their right to keep the photos and videos protected, but after they lost the ruling they shouldn't have been worried/pissed about it?
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So your contention isn't that they shouldn't have fought for their right to keep the photos and videos protected, but after they lost the ruling they shouldn't have been worried/pissed about it?
To some extent I think it was a waste of time and/or disingenuous and borderline unethical to fight the subpoena, but yes, my original post today is much more so about the post-loss media blitz.
There's a similar effect though from both. What they've argued both to the Court and now about the Court's ruling is so ridiculous when you actually look at the facts of this case hurts their credibility, to me, in any future arguments that may have much more legitimacy.
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So your contention isn't that they shouldn't have fought for their right to keep the photos and videos protected, but after they lost the ruling they shouldn't have been worried/pissed about it?
To some extent I think it was a waste of time and/or disingenuous and borderline unethical to fight the subpoena, but yes, my original post today is much more so about the post-loss media blitz.
There's a similar effect though from both. What they've argued both to the Court and now about the Court's ruling is so ridiculous when you actually look at the facts of this case hurts their credibility, to me, in any future arguments that may have much more legitimacy.
So where do you stand with the media covering other entities who lost judgments in court?
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So your contention isn't that they shouldn't have fought for their right to keep the photos and videos protected, but after they lost the ruling they shouldn't have been worried/pissed about it?
To some extent I think it was a waste of time and/or disingenuous and borderline unethical to fight the subpoena, but yes, my original post today is much more so about the post-loss media blitz.
There's a similar effect though from both. What they've argued both to the Court and now about the Court's ruling is so ridiculous when you actually look at the facts of this case hurts their credibility, to me, in any future arguments that may have much more legitimacy.
So where do you stand with the media covering other entities who lost judgments in court?
I'll look at an example, but generally #coverage of a court case involving parties that don't have any connections to the coverage'r will include the full perspectives and arguments each side made and the rationale the court used in making its ruling. And then there'll usually be statements from both sides about their satisfaction or dissatisfaction with the result. And that's all fine.
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So your contention isn't that they shouldn't have fought for their right to keep the photos and videos protected, but after they lost the ruling they shouldn't have been worried/pissed about it?
To some extent I think it was a waste of time and/or disingenuous and borderline unethical to fight the subpoena, but yes, my original post today is much more so about the post-loss media blitz.
There's a similar effect though from both. What they've argued both to the Court and now about the Court's ruling is so ridiculous when you actually look at the facts of this case hurts their credibility, to me, in any future arguments that may have much more legitimacy.
So where do you stand with the media covering other entities who lost judgments in court?
I'll look at an example, but generally #coverage of a court case involving parties that don't have any connections to the coverage'r will include the full perspectives and arguments each side made and the rationale the court used in making its ruling. And then there'll usually be statements from both sides about their satisfaction or dissatisfaction with the result. And that's all fine.
So the media can't cover the media?
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So your contention isn't that they shouldn't have fought for their right to keep the photos and videos protected, but after they lost the ruling they shouldn't have been worried/pissed about it?
To some extent I think it was a waste of time and/or disingenuous and borderline unethical to fight the subpoena, but yes, my original post today is much more so about the post-loss media blitz.
There's a similar effect though from both. What they've argued both to the Court and now about the Court's ruling is so ridiculous when you actually look at the facts of this case hurts their credibility, to me, in any future arguments that may have much more legitimacy.
So where do you stand with the media covering other entities who lost judgments in court?
I'll look at an example, but generally #coverage of a court case involving parties that don't have any connections to the coverage'r will include the full perspectives and arguments each side made and the rationale the court used in making its ruling. And then there'll usually be statements from both sides about their satisfaction or dissatisfaction with the result. And that's all fine.
So the media can't cover the media?
As we see all the time, not very well!
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Oh my I haven’t seen this one before :love: :love: :love:
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What's moved?
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T’s & P’s.
https://twitter.com/choeshow/status/1287146902484480000
https://twitter.com/choeshow/status/1287157934690983936
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T’s & P’s.
https://twitter.com/choeshow/status/1287146902484480000
https://twitter.com/choeshow/status/1287157934690983936
The cops are now allowed to take camera footage from the networks, this is the inevitable result. Who the eff wants to be on camera now that the footage can be used to arrest you, or to pressure you to snitch on someone else. The cops got what they really wanted and it was for the Seattle media to cover protests and riots less. Exactly what we all need. Grats on owning the media though.
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The premise of this entire thread is really rough ridin' stupid. Mock the media actually out documenting the protests while we're at home doing jack crap. Co-oping trump to own the bloggers. Hot crap.
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The cops got what they really wanted and it was for the Seattle media to cover protests and riots less. Exactly what we all need.
Didn't work.
https://komonews.com/watch
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The premise of this entire thread is really rough ridin' stupid. Mock the media actually out documenting the protests while we're at home doing jack crap. Co-oping trump to own the bloggers. Hot crap.
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The cops got what they really wanted and it was for the Seattle media to cover protests and riots less. Exactly what we all need.
Didn't work.
https://komonews.com/watch
Yeah, wait until one of those camera people get assaulted by someone who doesn't want to be on camera. Then other media members can talk about media members getting their asses kicked. The cops can use that footage to arrest people and you get more content for your thread. Navel gazing! Everyone wins.
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The cops got what they really wanted and it was for the Seattle media to cover protests and riots less. Exactly what we all need.
Didn't work.
https://komonews.com/watch
And here we are
Yeah, wait until one of those camera people get assaulted by someone who doesn't want to be on camera. Then other media members can talk about media members getting their asses kicked. The cops can use that footage to arrest people and you get more content for your thread. Navel gazing! Everyone wins.
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Yeah, wait until one of those camera people get assaulted by someone who doesn't want to be on camera. Then other media members can talk about media members getting their asses kicked. The cops can use that footage to arrest people and you get more content for your thread. Navel gazing! Everyone wins.
In this hypothetical, the cops wouldn't be arresting anyone unless either 1) it happened dead smack in front of cops, maybe even snowballing into cops and thus no footage would be needed, or 2) the aggrieved victims proactively delivered their footage to the cops and demanded action taken. There'd be no request for a subpoena, let alone granting of a subpoena for such footage.
And yeah, I'm sure whatever principles are being stood by re: footage would be upended when those media types have an interest in seeing justice for themselves.
You should look at that 21-page subpoena and see how narrow the fact pattern really is. It's not really 21 whole pages of reading; there's a lot of pictures that take up a bunch of space that show the Judge what the deficiencies are in the info they already have and what's needed to potentially assist with solving the crimes of arson and stealing guns*.
*and it's gotta be embarrassing for the cops to have to be solving this crime so publicly now, as the cops whose guns were stolen were/are getting investigated for why they left their guns in their cars to be stolen
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Are we concerned about violence against a convience store owner who complies with a subpoena to share security cam footage of a crime down the block?
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Are we concerned about violence against a convenience store owner who complies with a subpoena to share security cam footage of a crime down the block?
His/her First Amendment rights, tho...
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We find this measure to be of the utmost importance, given that the free press is essential to a functioning democracy, while acknowledging the universal maxim that snitches get stitches.
-Floor debate on First Amendment
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I haven't followed any of the discussions itt but based on the participating posters and the sequence of posts I know exactly what has happened. :lol:
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Are we concerned about violence against a convience store owner who complies with a subpoena to share security cam footage of a crime down the block?
Those two things aren't the same things though, are they? Are news cameras specifically for documenting crime like those security cameras? Are there shield laws created to protect constitutionally granted Freedom of the Quick Mart?
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Hey man, you're the one that said they shouldn't have to comply because of fear of violence. That has nothing to do with the first amendment and I just wondered if you think the kwik-e-mart should be given the same consideration.
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Hey man, you're the one that said they shouldn't have to comply because of fear of violence. That has nothing to do with the first amendment and I just wondered if you think the kwik-e-mart should be given the same consideration.
I didn't say that's why they shouldn't comply, however It is a high potential consequence of the ruling.
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I don’t really understand the rationale behind protecting video/photographic footage taken in public.
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There is zero expectation of privacy in public. How is it any different than the hundreds of camera phones capturing video?
Sounds like Trump's bogus "executive privilege" defense to everything. Just because the press and the Executive sometimes have special privileges does not mean they are entirely exempt from complying with legal process.
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I don’t really understand the rationale behind protecting video/photographic footage taken in public.
The issue isn't about the right of privacy of those photographed in public, the issue/problem is what you feel like is and what should be protected information gathered by the media. The fear of media attorneys and watch dog groups is if this is allowed, what's to stop the police from getting information about a source if that source said something publicly, or wherever these slippery slope conversations end up. The media, like attorneys, clergy, doctors, counselors, etc. receive privileged information. There are plenty of people who think that unreleased footage should fall under that privileged umbrella.
The fact that it happened publicly shouldn't make any difference. Even though it happened in public, that doesn't mean the cops are entitled to have it. Their investigations shouldn't entail shaking down media, counselors, etc. If a client told an attorney privileged information in a coffee shop, should that information be available to be subpoenaed because there was a chance that the guy cleaning the tables may have heard what was said?
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I don’t really understand the rationale behind protecting video/photographic footage taken in public.
The issue isn't about the right of privacy of those photographed in public, the issue/problem is what you feel like is and what should be protected information gathered by the media. The fear of media attorneys and watch dog groups is if this is allowed, what's to stop the police from getting information about a source if that source said something publicly, or wherever these slippery slope conversations end up. The media, like attorneys, clergy, doctors, counselors, etc. receive privileged information. There are plenty of people who think that unreleased footage should fall under that privileged umbrella.
The fact that it happened publicly shouldn't make any difference. Even though it happened in public, that doesn't mean the cops are entitled to have it. Their investigations shouldn't entail shaking down media, counselors, etc. If a client told an attorney privileged information in a coffee shop, should that information be available to be subpoenaed because there was a chance that the guy cleaning the tables may have heard what was said?
The answer to the bolded question is "the legislature and the rules of discovery/evidence in the subject jurisdiction."
If you want, I'm happy to point out the distinctions between the coffee shop legal counsel and a journalist having still images of individuals in public. Though this is a wild example, I don't think a lawyer would be protected by any privilege if asked: "Did you, on the evening of July 26, 2020, see your client on Main Street throw a molotov cocktail." I think that's the better analogy.
Revealing a confidential source or sharing off the record material are bright lines that don't really lend themselves to slippery slopes, imo.
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I don’t really understand the rationale behind protecting video/photographic footage taken in public.
The issue isn't about the right of privacy of those photographed in public, the issue/problem is what you feel like is and what should be protected information gathered by the media. The fear of media attorneys and watch dog groups is if this is allowed, what's to stop the police from getting information about a source if that source said something publicly, or wherever these slippery slope conversations end up. The media, like attorneys, clergy, doctors, counselors, etc. receive privileged information. There are plenty of people who think that unreleased footage should fall under that privileged umbrella.
The fact that it happened publicly shouldn't make any difference. Even though it happened in public, that doesn't mean the cops are entitled to have it. Their investigations shouldn't entail shaking down media, counselors, etc. If a client told an attorney privileged information in a coffee shop, should that information be available to be subpoenaed because there was a chance that the guy cleaning the tables may have heard what was said?
The answer to the bolded question is "the legislature and the rules of discovery/evidence in the subject jurisdiction."
If you want, I'm happy to point out the distinctions between the coffee shop legal counsel and a journalist having still images of individuals in public. Though this is a wild example, I don't think a lawyer would be protected by any privilege if asked: "Did you, on the evening of July 26, 2020, see your client on Main Street throw a molotov cocktail." I think that's the better analogy.
Revealing a confidential source or sharing off the record material are bright lines that don't really lend themselves to slippery slopes, imo.
Plus, you could just subpoena the busboy... The privilege disappears if you share those communications publicly.
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i would fire the crap out of my attorney if i was like "i have sensitive information i need to discuss w/ you" and the response i got was "understood. let's meet in a coffee shop with lots of people to discuss this matter that could be very damaging to you if this information was obtained by the wrong people"
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Law firms, btw, get subpoenaed for client documents all the time. It’s really not that hard for the law to distinguish between stuff that is protected and stuff that is simply in a protected person’s possession.
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https://twitter.com/sulliview/status/1294591652988944384
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https://twitter.com/dhookstead/status/1309139517094408194?s=20
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lmao
https://twitter.com/KT_So_It_Goes/status/1309172196141666305
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THIS ISN'T CHINA!
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THIS ISN'T CHINA!
Yet! (dax)
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https://twitter.com/shelbytalcott/status/1309261838039871488?s=21.
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https://www.q13fox.com/news/brandi-kruse-youre-paying-people-to-play-obstructionist
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https://twitter.com/AnnieLinskey/status/1316886692142436352
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Only thing missing is a hand written please take 1 note
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top notch main administrating :emawkid:
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Who was begging for free food and from whom were they begging?
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WHO AMONGST US....
https://twitter.com/jason_koebler/status/1318252755601870849
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Did he complete the full helicopter?
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"I thought the camera was muted"
Old people, lmao
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I don't understand why you would pull your dick out if you thought the camera was off.
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I don't understand why you would pull your dick out if you thought the camera was off.
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He took IT out?? We're gonna need Phil Titola's expertise on this one.
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Hero or persecuted?
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He took IT out?? We're gonna need Phil Titola's expertise on this one.
:thumbsup:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzU6_3GqbFo
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WHO AMONGST US....
https://twitter.com/jason_koebler/status/1318252755601870849
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Oh my god, the only thing more mortifying than being caught beating off is it becoming public. Now he has to take time off to handle personal issues, for jacking off.
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lol
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https://twitter.com/TheRealOJ32/status/1318348497272238080
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https://twitter.com/TheRealOJ32/status/1318348497272238080
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1318372691112579072
Apparently anti-Semitic q-coon, Larry Johnson was caping up for OJ in response to this tweet but he deleted it.
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I wish I knew what that means
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I wish I knew what that means
What isn't clear?
Jeff Toobin beat off during a zoom call.
OJ Simpson is a murderer, mocking Jeff Toobin because Toobin has spent 25 years calling OJ a murderer.
Jake Tapper reminded OJ that he killed two people and he should shut up
Washed up former running back Larry Johnson, who hates Jews, sells out black people, and often spreads conspiracy theories from QAnon, took up for OJ Simpson before deleting the tweet.
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Well that is much easier to follow
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Not sure if real, but I'm enjoying digesting the various facial expressions.
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Not sure if real, but I'm enjoying digesting the various facial expressions.
same on both points for me
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I think you guys were sure it wasn't real
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_CYjT16Ou8&feature=youtu.be
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SAD! I'll delete
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crap, what did we miss? Did someone release the video of ol boy choking his chicken?
Funny video, rusty
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crap, what did we miss? Did someone release the video of ol boy choking his chicken?
Funny video, rusty
twitter was running with an alleged screenshot of him but it was a doctored up screenshot of that video
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https://twitter.com/rachelnpr/status/1328324427210252288?s=19
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https://twitter.com/rachelnpr/status/1328324427210252288?s=19
lol, merge with wife of lineman posts
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Journalists wearing "Journalism Matters" masks are incredibly obnoxious.
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Journalists wearing "Journalism Matters" masks are incredibly obnoxious.
Probably wouldn't be necessary if the POTUS and all of his drones didn't spend the last 5 years attempting, literally daily, to delegitimize the entire profession. Even liberals use the term fake news.
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As good a place as any.
Stunning
https://nyti.ms/37vrmbb
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The NYT remains a trash rag echo chamber for elite moderates.
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https://twitter.com/MrOlmos/status/1341137620332552192
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https://twitter.com/MrOlmos/status/1341137620332552192
There seems to be a pattern of these dudes only getting tough with a man or woman with a camera in their hand.
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https://twitter.com/juliewolfe/status/1341507161181085698?s=21
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:lol:
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Journalists think a journalist hooking up with the guy who price gouged a pill and bought the wu tang record is a very important story.
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Has there ever been such a perfect fit between a tweet and a thread topic before?
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Journalists think a journalist hooking up with the guy who price gouged a pill and bought the wu tang record is a very important story.
It's insane that this story is repeatedly in my news feed.
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Journalists favorite thing to write and post about is journalists so it makes sense
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Journalists think a journalist hooking up with the guy who price gouged a pill and bought the wu tang record is a very important story.
It's insane that this story is repeatedly in my news feed.
Who's rough ridin' that little rat? I didn't see it. I did see an athlete say they wanted to kick his ass but I forgot which athlete it was.
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A bunch of people dogging her only kind of want to hear that wu-tang album, but she's wu-tang 4 ever.
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Finally saw the story, if you don't think a woman leaving her husband for a rat faced crap bag in prison, only for the rat faced crap bag to dump the lady from prison via his attorney is funny and the most man bites dog story of 2020 you're just being an insufferable hater. That's an amazing story regardless of the profession of the protagonist.
There's some irony in an attorney starting this thread and constantly misapplying stories that go in it.
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Finally saw the story, if you don't think a woman leaving her husband for a rat faced crap bag in prison, only for the rat faced crap bag to dump the lady from prison via his attorney is funny and the most man bites dog story of 2020 you're just being an insufferable hater. That's an amazing story regardless of the profession of the protagonist.
There's some irony in an attorney starting this thread and constantly misapplying stories that go in it.
It’s a routine story with respect to prisoners. This time the woman was a journalist.
Now on CNN’s home page:
Opinion: What the obsession with Martin Shkreli and Christie Smythe says about us
Opinion by Jill Filipovic
Updated 9:23 AM ET, Wed December 23, 2020
Jill Filipovic is a journalist based in New York
As soon as the piece hit, the internet went nuts.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/22/opinions/christie-smythe-martin-shkreli-elle-filipovic/index.html
You hadn’t heard of it until this thread. 7 and I heard of it because it’s bizarrely in news feeds (normally filled with news articles written by journalists), not as/for the “news” itself but as holier-than-thou screeds about the alleged journalism ethics breaches of the woman. Did “the internet” go nuts, or was it again simply that:
Journalists favorite thing to write and post about is journalists so it makes sense
and thus that’s the disproportionate content we got? And journalists in turn think/thought that their obsession with journalism is one everyone shares?
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Finally saw the story, if you don't think a woman leaving her husband for a rat faced crap bag in prison, only for the rat faced crap bag to dump the lady from prison via his attorney is funny and the most man bites dog story of 2020 you're just being an insufferable hater. That's an amazing story regardless of the profession of the protagonist.
There's some irony in an attorney starting this thread and constantly misapplying stories that go in it.
It’s a routine story with respect to prisoners. This time the woman was a journalist.
lol, stop, jfc. Yes, I'm certain a well to do woman leaves her comfortable life only to fall in love with a prisoner only to have him dump her using a lawyer, yeah crap happens every day :ROFL: gtfo dude
Yes, people date prisoners all the time, no crap, that's not the newsworthy part and you know it.
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Finally saw the story, if you don't think a woman leaving her husband for a rat faced crap bag in prison, only for the rat faced crap bag to dump the lady from prison via his attorney is funny and the most man bites dog story of 2020 you're just being an insufferable hater. That's an amazing story regardless of the profession of the protagonist.
There's some irony in an attorney starting this thread and constantly misapplying stories that go in it.
It’s a routine story with respect to prisoners. This time the woman was a journalist.
lol, stop, jfc. Yes, I'm certain a well to do woman leaves her comfortable life only to fall in love with a prisoner only to have him dump her using a lawyer, yeah crap happens every day :ROFL: gtfo dude
Yes, people date prisoners all the time, no crap, that's not the newsworthy part and you know it.
OK, you're interested in the actual story. There will probably be a lifetime movie about it, assuming there aren't already too many with the exact same plot that doing a based-on-real-life-event version would be pointless. The story isn't what brought it into this thread - it's everything you didn't quote from my post.
If instead one of the guy's accountants had fallen for him and left her husband for him and got subsequently lol dismissed by him via counsel, it would be a big deal among accountants. goACCOUNTING.com would be ablaze. But none of us would know because accountants' internal industry talk doesn't - because they're not already plugged in for their words to be mass-produced due to their job responsibilities - get distributed to the rest of us as news or matters of public interest or even interesting gossip.
It's undeniable that journalists have more interest in stories that involve journalists or their industry than an identical story that has no journalism tie-in. It's natural to want to feel that one's own field and the work they do is more important than others, and that one in turn carries a higher value. And it's OK for everyone to be cognizant of that.
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Journalists inevitably have to write stories about other journalists, the relevance of which, is in the eye of the beholder, just like every other story covered by every single person who has written or spoken words in the history of the world. There is some irony in the insistence that every article written by a journalist is only written because the subject is a journalist.
You tried to emphasize your point by linking a think piece about this rat faced shitbag story as if you couldn't find a think piece about every subject ever. There were think pieces written about K-State fans twitter reaction to a football coach being hired. The existence of a think piece about this is proof of nothing other than its the internet age and there are tens of thousands of journalism majors who graduate every year.
The story was funny, you misapplied it to this thread, it's okay we all miss sometimes
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I've put a disclaimer in the thread title to avoid any more confusion. The original title was insincere from day one.
media navel gazing
I'm keeping my thread title, but yes, that's what this thread is for.
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https://twitter.com/JoeGoodmanJr/status/1342180075270189056
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:ROFL:
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The replies are amazing
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The replies are amazing
Yes!
https://twitter.com/not_carlisle/status/1342252142778867712
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https://twitter.com/bobmuellerwkrn/status/1342578347033972737
https://twitter.com/mrnkrkptrck/status/1342519088069963778
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https://twitter.com/talkopan/status/1346918886726369285?s=21
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Every?
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Every?
I mean there's no way OAN or newsmax are out there, so yea, every.
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I'm sure some of the images are coming directly from the magas.
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https://twitter.com/caseyworks/status/1346941351045197828
https://twitter.com/AnthonyQuintano/status/1346963370205970432
https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1346944301553627136
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I'm sure some of the images are coming directly from the magas.
Not journos though. Did you not see the video of the thugs in the Capitol asking people with cameras who they are with?
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https://twitter.com/ZoeannMurphy/status/1347040892356616198
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So one of the 15 people arrested was a reporter from the local newspaper, wearing a credential? lol, bang up crap, 12.
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Should social media professionals' self-declared triumphs (even if those triumphs are simply a reflection of people's long-existing interest in the subject matter) be included in this thread or one of its own?
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Example:
https://twitter.com/DrewinHD/status/1349026031575957504
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Lmao
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This is amazing :lol:
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Classic mix-up re: the imam.
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That explains the dearth of theological insight I’ve seen since following Pimpin4Paradise786
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https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1373270543944855554
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I’m allowing this
https://twitter.com/crypsis12/status/1373309802508607488?s=21
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Sports journalists are really fired up about other sports journalists and journalism right now.
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About what?
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Adam Schefter and Shams Charnia.
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About what?
This dude, to get a leg up on the competition, sends over stories he's about to publish and let's them fill in the blanks on what they want published with it.
https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1448313854874701830?s=20
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Sports journalists are really fired up about other sports journalists and journalism right now.
also came across this subgenre of sports journalist twitter. sports photog twitter is pretty angry at this buffalo bills media guy
https://twitter.com/jcfphotog/status/1447759430133555200?s=20
https://twitter.com/davidphotokc/status/1448027199655849986
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Yeah, that's absolutely a big No-No. Just like how you're not suppose to cheer in a courtroom or have a reaction.
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The Schefter stuff is a royal rumble. Lots of sports J’s were shitting on him (mostly @-less) and then darren rough ridin' rovell pushed back on them and now olbermann and many others are putting the boots to him.
https://twitter.com/keitholbermann/status/1448297422992691207
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Beating up schefter and rovell is too mainstream, so there’s a different J mob on shams.
https://twitter.com/bruce_arthur/status/1448280643662663684
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Sports journalists are really fired up about other sports journalists and journalism right now.
also came across this subgenre of sports journalist twitter. sports photog twitter is pretty angry at this buffalo bills media guy
https://twitter.com/jcfphotog/status/1447759430133555200?s=20
https://twitter.com/davidphotokc/status/1448027199655849986
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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If we’re all going to make less than a living wage in this career then WE’RE GOING TO HAVE SOME GOD DAMN UNWRITTEN RULES ABOUT IT!
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Schefter is a sports reporter and not a real journalist. His job is to build relationships by leaking information that is given to him by someone who wants it leaked. He works for ESPN, which has billions of dollars tied up in the entity he is reporting on. Of course he takes care of his sources and does crap like this. Anyways, what real insight does Schefter provide other than "Player X wants to be traded" and "Player Y is signing with whatever team?"
Also, I'm sorry the unprofessional Bills photographer hurt so many people's feelings.
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Schefter is a sports reporter and not a real journalist. His job is to build relationships by leaking information that is given to him by someone who wants it leaked. He works for ESPN, which has billions of dollars tied up in the entity he is reporting on. Of course he takes care of his sources and does crap like this. Anyways, what real insight does Schefter provide other than "Player X wants to be traded" and "Player Y is signing with whatever team?"
Also, I'm sorry the unprofessional Bills photographer hurt so many people's feelings.
A reporter is a journalist. What the hell do you think journalism is if not reporting? You say "of course he takes care of his sources and does crap like this." This is not how reporters do their job, on top of it being the height of laziness, it isn't providing impartial information. The literal only worst way to cut a corner there would have been just to completely make up quotes.
Do you know what the story was about that he let oscar Allen write his story for? Do you know the backstory of Allen? I feel like your opinion is formed somewhat by your thought that this story was just breaking a trade. The story was about the lockout. There should have been actual journalism done there. The lockout had real life consequences for people outside the football players on the field. Schefter let "the man" set the narrative when they were trying to justify not paying people. I can't imagine not thinking that isn't a big deal.
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Also, no one gives a eff about the photographer. It's literally one dude complaining on twitter. That tweet had a whole 21 replies and 4 agreeing with the tweet. If I were to guess, that photographer works for the bills.
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Schefter is a sports reporter and not a real journalist. His job is to build relationships by leaking information that is given to him by someone who wants it leaked. He works for ESPN, which has billions of dollars tied up in the entity he is reporting on. Of course he takes care of his sources and does crap like this. Anyways, what real insight does Schefter provide other than "Player X wants to be traded" and "Player Y is signing with whatever team?"
Also, I'm sorry the unprofessional Bills photographer hurt so many people's feelings.
A reporter is a journalist. What the hell do you think journalism is if not reporting? You say "of course he takes care of his sources and does crap like this." This is not how reporters do their job, on top of it being the height of laziness, it isn't providing impartial information. The literal only worst way to cut a corner there would have been just to completely make up quotes.
Do you know what the story was about that he let oscar Allen write his story for? Do you know the backstory of Allen? I feel like your opinion is formed somewhat by your thought that this story was just breaking a trade. The story was about the lockout. There should have been actual journalism done there. The lockout had real life consequences for people outside the football players on the field. Schefter let "the man" set the narrative when they were trying to justify not paying people. I can't imagine not thinking that isn't a big deal.
My emphasis was on sports more than the difference between reporter and journalist. I think people reporting on sports generally have wildly different journalistic standards than you would have reporting actual news. I never considered that people took Schefter, again who works for ESPN, as a legitimate unbiased journalist/reporter and find it strange that people did/do. If I want a realistic view of the lockout, ESPN is a pretty poor choice to find that information.
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If we’re all going to make less than a living wage in this career then WE’RE GOING TO HAVE SOME GOD DAMN UNWRITTEN RULES ABOUT IT!
You take a lot of ethics classes and journalism law in J school.
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Here’s the LA Times story that started the recent schefter stuff.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2021-10-12/nfl-jon-gruden-emails-washington-football-team
Several emails between Allen and journalists are part of the filing too. In one of them from July 2011, ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter sent Allen the draft of an unpublished story that was published later the same day.
“Please let me know if you see anything that should be added, changed, tweaked,” Schefter wrote. “Thanks, Mr. Editor, for that and the trust. Plan to file this to espn about 6 am ….”
ESPN released the following statement in response to the correspondence: “Without sharing all the specifics of the reporter’s process for a story from 10 years ago during the NFL lockout, we believe that nothing is more important to Adam and ESPN than providing fans the most accurate, fair and complete story.”
It’s very lol predictable what is happening today because of an excerpt included in a story about many things one can see if they look at long-available court filings in a really stupid case about supposed defamation in an Indian publication.
As for the thing J’s are mad about today, I’d have to pull the case up and look at the whole email chain to know if schefter was being a stooge or being a snarky ass to someone who’d been difficult with him.
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Also, no one gives a eff about the photographer. It's literally one dude complaining on twitter. That tweet had a whole 21 replies and 4 agreeing with the tweet. If I were to guess, that photographer works for the bills.
the original tweet is in the hundreds of RT's, but yeah the sports photog subgenre is pretty niche.
fwiw i absolutely love the bills guy's face and highsteppercat pose. it's perfect
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Also, no one gives a eff about the photographer. It's literally one dude complaining on twitter. That tweet had a whole 21 replies and 4 agreeing with the tweet. If I were to guess, that photographer works for the bills.
the original tweet is in the hundreds of RT's, but yeah the sports photog subgenre is pretty niche.
fwiw i absolutely love the bills guy's face and highsteppercat pose. it's perfect
I wish there’d been a table nearby for him to dive through too.
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I just want people to take full advantage of this opportunity to crap all over ESPN.
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Why can’t there just be different kinds of journalists. Like, what if we just say Schefter is more in the rumor business than hard hitting analysis and leave it at that?
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are people actually surprised at the schefter thing
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I rank sports reporters at exactly the same level as entertainment reporters and do not expect a level of ethics above entertainment tonight.
One of the funniest thing about sports journalism is the profession takes itself so seriously.
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are people actually surprised at the schefter thing
Not at all
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newest on the timeline
https://twitter.com/JerryDunleavy/status/1448343568704278533?s=20
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oof
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I rank sports reporters at exactly the same level as entertainment reporters and do not expect a level of ethics above entertainment tonight.
One of the funniest thing about sports journalism is the profession takes itself so seriously.
yeah i love it when sports journos congratulate each other like "great scoop by xxxxx" or "great reporting by xxxx". literally anyone can regurgitate a leak from an agent or GM who is looking to leak something
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Sports journalists wanted to be sports players and then are around sports so much that they end up treating their jobs and profession like it’s sports too.
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4 J's, 0 @'s. :(
https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1448258320897241090
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lol
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newest on the timeline
https://twitter.com/JerryDunleavy/status/1448343568704278533?s=20
All written interviews or stories about interviews are edited to tell the story the interviewer wants to tell. Are people just finding out about this? Did they think they were seeing verbatim transcripts?
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As a former real life credentialed journalist, I am extremely qualified to say that that photojournalist is a total piece of crap and should be thrown in JAIL
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As a former real life credentialed journalist, I am extremely qualified to say that that photojournalist is a total piece of crap and should be thrown in JAIL
He should be forced to write a human interest piece on X-Factor and submit it to the New York Times. If they decide to publish it, he can come back. If not, well he just got X'd.
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Tbh, I kinda love the hate on journalism now. Like, we got an “easier” path to a degree. But you guys are acting like it’s a joke now, out of nowhere, when it’s been totally manipulated since 2008 when crap hit the fan. Most of us came out broke with 24k jobs. Now you guys are lol’ing about the field and everyone has left it. It’s honestly been a good lesson; on everything I’ve preached for the past 10 years. It’s all manipulated and washed, and Kurtz left today for it.
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Remember the rough ridin' caping for Kellis after he made Jake cry and Frank yelled at him?
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Remember the rough ridin' caping for Kellis after he made Jake cry and Frank yelled at him?
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While he went home eating ramen. It totally sucks!
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Schefter is a sports reporter and not a real journalist. His job is to build relationships by leaking information that is given to him by someone who wants it leaked. He works for ESPN, which has billions of dollars tied up in the entity he is reporting on. Of course he takes care of his sources and does crap like this. Anyways, what real insight does Schefter provide other than "Player X wants to be traded" and "Player Y is signing with whatever team?"
Also, I'm sorry the unprofessional Bills photographer hurt so many people's feelings.
A reporter is a journalist. What the hell do you think journalism is if not reporting? You say "of course he takes care of his sources and does crap like this." This is not how reporters do their job, on top of it being the height of laziness, it isn't providing impartial information. The literal only worst way to cut a corner there would have been just to completely make up quotes.
Do you know what the story was about that he let oscar Allen write his story for? Do you know the backstory of Allen? I feel like your opinion is formed somewhat by your thought that this story was just breaking a trade. The story was about the lockout. There should have been actual journalism done there. The lockout had real life consequences for people outside the football players on the field. Schefter let "the man" set the narrative when they were trying to justify not paying people. I can't imagine not thinking that isn't a big deal.
My emphasis was on sports more than the difference between reporter and journalist. I think people reporting on sports generally have wildly different journalistic standards than you would have reporting actual news. I never considered that people took Schefter, again who works for ESPN, as a legitimate unbiased journalist/reporter and find it strange that people did/do. If I want a realistic view of the lockout, ESPN is a pretty poor choice to find that information.
Where else are you going to get news about the lockout from, Bloomberg?
Obviously not everyone can be a war correspondent, but journalism is no different than any other industry in which the quality of work can't be tied to their perceived importance. That isn't the case anywhere else and it isn't the case in journalism either.
If a personal injury lawyer breached industry standard they'd be marched in front of the bar the same way a corporate partner would for making the same ethical breach. If a toy manufacturer cut corners on the assembly line, they'd get crap canned the same way an airplane manufacturer would.
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Why can’t there just be different kinds of journalists. Like, what if we just say Schefter is more in the rumor business than hard hitting analysis and leave it at that?
I rank sports reporters at exactly the same level as entertainment reporters and do not expect a level of ethics above entertainment tonight.
One of the funniest thing about sports journalism is the profession takes itself so seriously.
Whatever y'all consider a real journalist, Adam Shefter sat in the same classes, learning the same lessons, adhering to the same standards. If he wanted to be like one of the TMZ guys, or whatever Happy Slapnuts is hosting your local AM talk show, or some blogger, or podcaster that's fine. However, that's not how he nor his employer positioned him. I just saw this dude on Real Sports three weeks ago flexing his big J journo cred and talking about his Michigan J School education. He positioned himself as a journalist, he's certainly paid like one and he's out here letting his subjects write his stories.
That being said if he shouldn't have a problem continuing to get scoops from front office people, and that's probably enough to keep ESPN happy. He's mumped himself with players and agents though.
are people actually surprised at the schefter thing
Very clearly so.
They teach you to not let your subjects write the stories literally on the first day of newspaper class in high school. I remember the very seat I was sitting in when I heard this the first time in early September 1991.
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your points are valid, right or wrong i guess i just view(ed) schefty as a scoop master / hype man and not really a journalist.
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Schefter is a sports reporter and not a real journalist. His job is to build relationships by leaking information that is given to him by someone who wants it leaked. He works for ESPN, which has billions of dollars tied up in the entity he is reporting on. Of course he takes care of his sources and does crap like this. Anyways, what real insight does Schefter provide other than "Player X wants to be traded" and "Player Y is signing with whatever team?"
Also, I'm sorry the unprofessional Bills photographer hurt so many people's feelings.
A reporter is a journalist. What the hell do you think journalism is if not reporting? You say "of course he takes care of his sources and does crap like this." This is not how reporters do their job, on top of it being the height of laziness, it isn't providing impartial information. The literal only worst way to cut a corner there would have been just to completely make up quotes.
Do you know what the story was about that he let oscar Allen write his story for? Do you know the backstory of Allen? I feel like your opinion is formed somewhat by your thought that this story was just breaking a trade. The story was about the lockout. There should have been actual journalism done there. The lockout had real life consequences for people outside the football players on the field. Schefter let "the man" set the narrative when they were trying to justify not paying people. I can't imagine not thinking that isn't a big deal.
My emphasis was on sports more than the difference between reporter and journalist. I think people reporting on sports generally have wildly different journalistic standards than you would have reporting actual news. I never considered that people took Schefter, again who works for ESPN, as a legitimate unbiased journalist/reporter and find it strange that people did/do. If I want a realistic view of the lockout, ESPN is a pretty poor choice to find that information.
Where else are you going to get news about the lockout from, Bloomberg?
Obviously not everyone can be a war correspondent, but journalism is no different than any other industry in which the quality of work can't be tied to their perceived importance. That isn't the case anywhere else and it isn't the case in journalism either.
If a personal injury lawyer breached industry standard they'd be marched in front of the bar the same way a corporate partner would for making the same ethical breach. If a toy manufacturer cut corners on the assembly line, they'd get crap canned the same way an airplane manufacturer would.
I wouldn't go to the lawyer representing the client to ask for an impartial take, which is what I feel like you're doing if you're expecting ESPN to be impartial on potentially critical NFL stories.
I'm not justifying what he did, I'm just totally unsurprised. If it fucks him with players and agents (I don't have your faith that it will), then I'm glad the system has a way of self-correcting it because I don't expect ESPN to care. ESPN is tacitly endorsing it, which continues to show why nobody should expect an unbiased piece regarding companies they do billion dollar deals with.
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I think sports reporters, editors, publishers, and consumers largely view sports reporting as serious reporting. They just don't distinguish between topics like first round draft picks and labor disputes.
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If a personal injury lawyer breached industry standard they'd be marched in front of the bar the same way a corporate partner would for making the same ethical breach. If a toy manufacturer cut corners on the assembly line, they'd get crap canned the same way an airplane manufacturer would.
I really think both these examples weigh against your point.
There is a very different perception of prestige and expectation of behavior between different types of attorneys. The fact that you still have to be licensed to practice as an attorney at all and are subject to enforceable rules of ethics just illustrates how different journalists are as a profession.
The toy example is even funnier. There is literally never an acceptable time for airplanes to break. Everyone expects toys to break in like less than six weeks. We had a toy RC truck that a wheel fell off and when we replaced it with a new one THE SAME wheel fell off!
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Looks like this sports media talent could cash in huge soon despite the journalism uproar.
https://frontofficesports.com/adam-schefter-espnn-caesars-sportsbook-contract-summer-2022/
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Schefter is a sports reporter and not a real journalist. His job is to build relationships by leaking information that is given to him by someone who wants it leaked. He works for ESPN, which has billions of dollars tied up in the entity he is reporting on. Of course he takes care of his sources and does crap like this. Anyways, what real insight does Schefter provide other than "Player X wants to be traded" and "Player Y is signing with whatever team?"
Also, I'm sorry the unprofessional Bills photographer hurt so many people's feelings.
A reporter is a journalist. What the hell do you think journalism is if not reporting? You say "of course he takes care of his sources and does crap like this." This is not how reporters do their job, on top of it being the height of laziness, it isn't providing impartial information. The literal only worst way to cut a corner there would have been just to completely make up quotes.
Do you know what the story was about that he let oscar Allen write his story for? Do you know the backstory of Allen? I feel like your opinion is formed somewhat by your thought that this story was just breaking a trade. The story was about the lockout. There should have been actual journalism done there. The lockout had real life consequences for people outside the football players on the field. Schefter let "the man" set the narrative when they were trying to justify not paying people. I can't imagine not thinking that isn't a big deal.
My emphasis was on sports more than the difference between reporter and journalist. I think people reporting on sports generally have wildly different journalistic standards than you would have reporting actual news. I never considered that people took Schefter, again who works for ESPN, as a legitimate unbiased journalist/reporter and find it strange that people did/do. If I want a realistic view of the lockout, ESPN is a pretty poor choice to find that information.
Where else are you going to get news about the lockout from, Bloomberg?
Obviously not everyone can be a war correspondent, but journalism is no different than any other industry in which the quality of work can't be tied to their perceived importance. That isn't the case anywhere else and it isn't the case in journalism either.
If a personal injury lawyer breached industry standard they'd be marched in front of the bar the same way a corporate partner would for making the same ethical breach. If a toy manufacturer cut corners on the assembly line, they'd get crap canned the same way an airplane manufacturer would.
I wouldn't go to the lawyer representing the client to ask for an impartial take, which is what I feel like you're doing if you're expecting ESPN to be impartial on potentially critical NFL stories.
I'm not justifying what he did, I'm just totally unsurprised. If it fucks him with players and agents (I don't have your faith that it will), then I'm glad the system has a way of self-correcting it because I don't expect ESPN to care. ESPN is tacitly endorsing it, which continues to show why nobody should expect an unbiased piece regarding companies they do billion dollar deals with.
ESPN definitely doesn't care, being the voice of the front office and rough ridin' over players is exactly what their consumer wants, especially for pro football. His clicks won't reduce a single bit.
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If a personal injury lawyer breached industry standard they'd be marched in front of the bar the same way a corporate partner would for making the same ethical breach. If a toy manufacturer cut corners on the assembly line, they'd get crap canned the same way an airplane manufacturer would.
I really think both these examples weigh against your point.
There is a very different perception of prestige and expectation of behavior between different types of attorneys. The fact that you still have to be licensed to practice as an attorney at all and are subject to enforceable rules of ethics just illustrates how different journalists are as a profession.
The toy example is even funnier. There is literally never an acceptable time for airplanes to break. Everyone expects toys to break in like less than six weeks. We had a toy RC truck that a wheel fell off and when we replaced it with a new one THE SAME wheel fell off!
I'm going to sound like a dick here, but you don't actually get the point at all. You're talking about perceived prestige of these jobs and I'm telling you it doesn't matter what you or anyone else thinks about the prestige of the job, he violated the very well defined industry standards. People who don't know what the eff they are talking about are arguing whether or not it's a big deal or if it matters, no actual journalist is even thinking twice about this, there's no doubt.
Your and almost everyone's understanding of media ethics is way off. When this dude sat in all of those UMich J School classes, almost all of them are about adherence to ethics and standards. Feel free to keep debating whether or not he violated the tenets of industry, he did. Also feel free to mock the fact that sports journalists have professional standards, won't change the fact they exist in sports journalism and literally every other industry in the world. Even drug dealers have industry standards.
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This is opposite of this thread and probably belongs in some Missouri POS thread. This is insane.
https://twitter.com/webster/status/1448728585804603392
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Tony Webster's tweet belongs regardless of the underlying story. This one's better as he attacks the journalism of other journalists and how they journalized their tweet/headline about the initial journalist incident.
https://twitter.com/webster/status/1448745328841306123
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Looks like this sports media talent could cash in huge soon despite the journalism uproar.
https://frontofficesports.com/adam-schefter-espnn-caesars-sportsbook-contract-summer-2022/
See, this is blogging, not journalism. A journalist would have known that Schefter got in hot water last month for investing in a sports gaming app, a competitor of Caesars by the way.
When he leaves ESPN either after this football season or next summer, he'll go to NBC. Boom Entertainment, who he's investing with, along with Robert Kraft, are partners with the NBC Sports Predictor App.
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Tony Webster's tweet belongs regardless of the underlying story. This one's better as he attacks the journalism of other journalists and how they journalized their tweet/headline about the initial journalist incident.
https://twitter.com/webster/status/1448745328841306123
I'm not the most computer literate person in the world, but does this not constitute a hack or is the Gov lying?
Officials say through a multi-step process, an individual took the records of at least three educators, unencrypted the source code from the webpage, and viewed the social security number (SSN) of those specific educators.
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Here is your first hacking lesson. Right click anywhere on this page, select View Source. You just "unencrypted the source code from the webpage". Except it wasn't encrypted in the first place.
Enjoy gE prision hacker!
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Pretty much this. Time to heal turn to making fun of journalism and their ethics to cover this noise up- gE
https://twitter.com/sunnyright/status/1448418383133880325?s=21
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Gov parsons has definitely been gunning for crap bag of the year
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If a personal injury lawyer breached industry standard they'd be marched in front of the bar the same way a corporate partner would for making the same ethical breach. If a toy manufacturer cut corners on the assembly line, they'd get crap canned the same way an airplane manufacturer would.
I really think both these examples weigh against your point.
There is a very different perception of prestige and expectation of behavior between different types of attorneys. The fact that you still have to be licensed to practice as an attorney at all and are subject to enforceable rules of ethics just illustrates how different journalists are as a profession.
The toy example is even funnier. There is literally never an acceptable time for airplanes to break. Everyone expects toys to break in like less than six weeks. We had a toy RC truck that a wheel fell off and when we replaced it with a new one THE SAME wheel fell off!
I'm going to sound like a dick here, but you don't actually get the point at all. You're talking about perceived prestige of these jobs and I'm telling you it doesn't matter what you or anyone else thinks about the prestige of the job, he violated the very well defined industry standards. People who don't know what the eff they are talking about are arguing whether or not it's a big deal or if it matters, no actual journalist is even thinking twice about this, there's no doubt.
Your and almost everyone's understanding of media ethics is way off. When this dude sat in all of those UMich J School classes, almost all of them are about adherence to ethics and standards. Feel free to keep debating whether or not he violated the tenets of industry, he did. Also feel free to mock the fact that sports journalists have professional standards, won't change the fact they exist in sports journalism and literally every other industry in the world. Even drug dealers have industry standards.
I get it. We just completely disagree on the frame of reference here.
You tried comparing journalists to attorneys. It’s a bad example because attorneys have codified rules of ethics and a clear disciplinary process for violating those rules.
Then you compared journalism to…I guess the entire manufacturing industry? Which, come on.
Sure, there are unofficial rules of journalists that any professional in the industry should be aware of. Whether a journalist chooses to follow those rules purely comes down to reputational integrity.
So go ahead and rake them over the unwritten coals all you want, but at the end of the day each journalist is generally going to take actions calculated to further the particular type of career they’re pursuing. Most people reading Schefter aren’t going to GAF about him running stories by a GM about their draft strategy or whatever. And even among those people, if they’re looking for trustworthy in depth reporting about something like the Gruden thing, they’ll probably look elsewhere.
Journalists calling for any more than that definitely belongs ITT.
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https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/1451652130033618948?t=BkImXZF7va2c6L6strKVzA&s=19
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https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/1451652130033618948?t=BkImXZF7va2c6L6strKVzA&s=19
I don't understand what the hell ESPN is waiting on and why Sopan is acting like it's everyone else's fault they haven't published a story so many people know about.
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https://twitter.com/byAustinMeek/status/1454127418587942914
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https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1455521526263033858
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Godspeed the fourth estate.
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https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1455521526263033858
This reminds me of many experiences I've had trying to get a drink at crowded college bars. It's an outrage.
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https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1455521526263033858
This is about a reporter trying to get the commissioner on record about a team employee raping a player, covering it up, letting him celebrate a Stanley Cup, putting his name on the Stanley Cup, then allowing him to work with youth at Hockey USA where he raped a kid. The commissioner also lied about a racial abuse investigation about the same organization. This doesn't belong here at all, I would think everyone would want this called out. If anything they should be even louder about this.
Although this tweeter had this point about the PHWA
https://twitter.com/alanhull/status/1455532530371866629
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The tweet and statement is about the commissioner “freezing out” a reporter. That’s what has the Journalists mad at the moment, not the raping, etc.
Something that doesn’t show in my post that also highlights it’s relevance to my thread is how I possibly could’ve come across that tweet. It was RT’d by at least one local sports Journalist who doesn’t cover hockey and hasn’t T’d or RT’d a single thing about the hockey/rape story. They RT’d that tweet because of Journalism.
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Yeah it’s actually pretty incredible how hard the letter/press release tries to avoid talking about the story that is allegedly being covered up.
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The tweet and statement is about the commissioner “freezing out” a reporter. That’s what has the Journalists mad at the moment, not the raping, etc.
Something that doesn’t show in my post that also highlights it’s relevance to my thread is how I possibly could’ve come across that tweet. It was RT’d by at least one local sports Journalist who doesn’t cover hockey and hasn’t T’d or RT’d a single thing about the hockey/rape story. They RT’d that tweet because of Journalism.
But the appearance is that the commissioner did freeze out that journalist. It's well known that he's been doing investigative journalism on the two issues I wrote about. This was the commissioners first press conference since the Kyle Beach story broke and they tried to avoid answering questions from the only journalist on that call who did the original reporting on not only Kyle Beach but the racial abuse "investigation" that's being covered up.
They tried to avoid answering questions about these issues,, period. I know you're averse to admitting wrong, I don't think mocking media for calling out an attempt by a league to not answer questions about sexual and racial abuse investigations belong here.
I guess it's possible that you think that institutions can do whatever the eff they want without having to answer for it.
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The tweet and statement is about the commissioner “freezing out” a reporter. That’s what has the Journalists mad at the moment, not the raping, etc.
Something that doesn’t show in my post that also highlights it’s relevance to my thread is how I possibly could’ve come across that tweet. It was RT’d by at least one local sports Journalist who doesn’t cover hockey and hasn’t T’d or RT’d a single thing about the hockey/rape story. They RT’d that tweet because of Journalism.
But the appearance is that the commissioner did freeze out that journalist. It's well known that he's been doing investigative journalism on the two issues I wrote about. This was the commissioners first press conference since the Kyle Beach story broke and they tried to avoid answering questions from the only journalist on that call who did the original reporting on not only Kyle Beach but the racial abuse "investigation" that's being covered up.
They tried to avoid answering questions about these issues,, period. I know you're averse to admitting wrong, I don't think mocking media for calling out an attempt by a league to not answer questions about sexual and racial abuse investigations belong here.
I guess it's possible that you think that institutions can do whatever the eff they want without having to answer for it.
There would/will be no Journalism association statement about the NHL not complying with any prosecutorial process or civil investigation of all of that, or about the league and commissioner being pieces of crap for the actual crimes or neglect.
And if a civil investigation was being thwarted or anything like that and THAT entity put out a statement, or even if the non-compliance was hard news, Journalists would not be T’n and RT’n it, because that’s not interesting to them and it doesn’t advance (in their minds) their profession.
The subject matter of Rick Westhead’s work is irrelevant to that statement/tweet/RT being a great example for this thread.
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This guy again! He seems kinda bad at his job.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FD2OuR4WEAE0f3a?format=jpg&name=900x900)
https://twitter.com/rochelleolson/status/1458275666500235264
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"according to his agent" is carrying a ton of freight there
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Where's the lie?
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Where's the lie?
what do you mean?
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Where's the lie?
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1458238218650914822
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He’s reporting what he was told. Keep going… A lot of you could learn a lot from the Hill case. That chick could be Brooke Pryor’ing everything right now.
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He’s reporting what he was told. Keep going… A lot of you could learn a lot from the Hill case. That chick could be Brooke Pryor’ing everything right now.
I'm probably confused. My problem is with Rochelle Olson. A lot of people jumped to conclusions yesterday when a text message between Dalvin Cook and Gracelyn Trimble was released. Adam Schefter's report showed this was from last year and how Dalvin Cook may very well be the victim.
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Correct. Chum is trying to drag him, because he’s gullible and reads everything he wants to online. Rochelle sucks ass here! Brooke Pryor 2.0.
https://twitter.com/sotoes16/status/1458417743846420484?s=21
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The issue people have with Schefter on this issue is the same one as before (and before and before). Their issue is that he's not reporting, but carrying water for one side in exchange for access.
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:rolleyes:
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Well, if there’s one thing that chum has been historically all about, and that’s ensuring all sides are properly represented, and all sides and viewpoints are heard.
They’ll be no more knee jerk hyper partisan Twitter cut and pastes from Chum.
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Maybe I shouldn't have said he seems kinda bad at his job. Maybe I should have said he has questionable ethics.
https://twitter.com/RobertKlemko/status/1458484929164345345
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Well, if there’s one thing that chum has been historically all about, and that’s ensuring all sides are properly represented, and all sides and viewpoints are heard.
They’ll be no more knee jerk hyper partisan Twitter cut and pastes from Chum.
Lol. He knows he looks stupid now. He's going to copy and paste every future deleted tweet he can find now to prove his case!
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https://twitter.com/MichaelDavSmith/status/1458572451114328066
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Lol @ that PFF reporter. They didn’t even want football to be played a year ago, that’s how liberal they are. Good stuff.
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PFF is a CBS extension too. :rolleyes:
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Are you calling Michael David Smith a liar? Because that's a serious accusation.
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Lol @ that PFF reporter. They didn’t even want football to be played a year ago, that’s how liberal they are. Good stuff.
You're conflating pro football talk with pro football focus
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PFF is a CBS extension too. :rolleyes:
You're conflating pro football talk with pro football focus, and also cbs with nbc
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Lol
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lol. This is a civil matter. She wants $ for getting her assed kick for breaking and entering into her exes house, while threatening to kill him with a gun.
Chum: "NOT SO FAST!!!!"
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fwiw i think it is possible that both of your narrative are true
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lol. This is a civil matter. She wants $ for getting her assed kick for breaking and entering into her exes house, while threatening to kill him with a gun.
Chum: "NOT SO FAST!!!!"
I was talking about Schefter doing the thing he apologized for doing. Can you please get mad over someone else's posts and just ignore me? Trying to explain things to you is tedious.
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99% of journalist get paid dick. He didn't have an agenda here. Out of all the people in the world, you shouldn't be giving job reviews.
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wacky what are you doing. adam schefter famously rides a limo like an hour and a half every day to work and back.
is it ok to point out it's kind of F'd up to just take whatever a players agent tells him regarding a domestic assault case and just parrot it out to his 9MM followers?
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wacky what are you doing. adam schefter famously rides a limo like an hour and a half every day to work and back.
is it ok to point out it's kind of F'd up to just take whatever a players agent tells him regarding a domestic assault case and just parrot it out to his 9MM followers?
He's made his earnings by being the first on the scene. Like Woj. What he reported was correct. Chum saw some random reply to it with a cute little fake story about the chick getting beat involuntarily and couldn't wait to post about it and said the dude sucks at his job. He apologized because woke culture went after him.
Honestly, chum and adam have a lot in common. Always the first on the scene with their narratives.
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wacky what are you doing. adam schefter famously rides a limo like an hour and a half every day to work and back.
is it ok to point out it's kind of F'd up to just take whatever a players agent tells him regarding a domestic assault case and just parrot it out to his 9MM followers?
He's made his earnings by being the first on the scene. Like Woj. What he reported was correct. Chum saw some random reply to it with a cute little fake story about the chick getting beat involuntarily and couldn't wait to post about it and said the dude sucks at his job. He apologized because woke culture went after him.
Honestly, chum and adam have a lot in common. Always the first on the scene with their narratives.
Have you not read the criticisms about his reporting on the Washington Football Team?
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Schefter sourced it which I think can contribute to a reasonable person taking it with some skepticism. I do think there is some reasonable expectation of getting additional information, particularly when having the first narrative to the scene can carry a lot of weight. My takeaway from a Schefter tweet just goes as far as the football field though, it's been made abundantly clear that he reports and doesn't investigate/research anything.
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wacky what are you doing. adam schefter famously rides a limo like an hour and a half every day to work and back.
is it ok to point out it's kind of F'd up to just take whatever a players agent tells him regarding a domestic assault case and just parrot it out to his 9MM followers?
He's made his earnings by being the first on the scene. Like Woj. What he reported was correct. Chum saw some random reply to it with a cute little fake story about the chick getting beat involuntarily and couldn't wait to post about it and said the dude sucks at his job. He apologized because woke culture went after him.
Honestly, chum and adam have a lot in common. Always the first on the scene with their narratives.
Have you not read the criticisms about his reporting on the Washington Football Team?
I have and I forgot you all went to Journalism school. My bad. His Washington crap was bad, this was not. He's reported thousands and thousands of stories. His Washington crap was the worse. Stop making this into something that it's not.
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"according to his agent" is carrying a ton of freight there
this is all i'm saying
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Schefter sourced it which I think can contribute to a reasonable person taking it with some skepticism. I do think there is some reasonable expectation of getting additional information, particularly when having the first narrative to the scene can carry a lot of weight. My takeaway from a Schefter tweet just goes as far as the football field though, it's been made abundantly clear that he reports and doesn't investigate/research anything.
Yup!
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Adam Schefter doing what's best for Adam Schefter doesn't go in this thread, nor does anything about the countering assertions in the Dalvin Cook matter. Journalists whipping Schefter's ass (usually w/o @'n) citing his failure to live up to the Journalism ethics and standards does.
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Well, if there’s one thing that chum has been historically all about, and that’s ensuring all sides are properly represented, and all sides and viewpoints are heard.
They’ll be no more knee jerk hyper partisan Twitter cut and pastes from Chum.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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PFF is a CBS extension too. :rolleyes:
They love our man Sky Thompson tho!
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Adam Schefter doing what's best for Adam Schefter doesn't go in this thread, nor does anything about the countering assertions in the Dalvin Cook matter. Journalists whipping Schefter's ass (usually w/o @'n) citing his failure to live up to the Journalism ethics and standards does.
Whipping Shefter's ass/whining. potato potahto.
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I hope Mr schefter is able to survive the woke mob #cancelled
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If there’s anything we’ve learned from Chum, it’s be “fair and balanced” or get the eff out of Kites!
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every thread can't just be a wacky persecution thread
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It’s not, this one is a Chum persecution, for believing every dumbshit lefty theory he reads on Twitter and rushing to post it here. It’s hilarious how gullible he is.
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every thread can't just be a wacky persecution thread
It can be wacky copying dax's posts though!
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every thread can't just be a wacky persecution thread
It can be wacky copying dax's posts though!
More tazing jokes, bud.
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I don't get the political angle here
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I don't get the political angle here
Feminist chum had to rush to defend his girl, who threatened a mans life and broke into his house, but he didn't have time to look into that. Black man did a crime. It has to be him. Ala Tyreek. - Chum
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me neither
i really don't understand much of what is happening with thsi little dust up
schefter criticism for carrying water seems fair and he seems to agree
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Wow, not everything is political, feminist chum, maybe take a step back next time
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Wow, not everything is political, feminist chum, maybe take a step back next time
Sometimes you guys are just too close to the mirror, when you can't see everything is a hot topic in your eyes. Cancel this journalist tho!
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I'm with you 420seriouscat69. If feminist chum would realize that sports reporters are equal to tmz then his expectation of ethical standards would be properly calibrated.
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"ethical standards". lol
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culture warriors need a culture war
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Nobody backs their leftist brothers like blueanon or whatever it is that dax calls you dorks.
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I'm with you 420seriouscat69. If feminist chum would realize that sports reporters are equal to tmz then his expectation of ethical standards would be properly calibrated.
OK, I take this back. Espn is tmz if tmz also had a financial interest in protecting the celebrities they report on.
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I'm not just looking forward to a "both sides" posting future for chum
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Wacky has become a parody of maga twitter bots.
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I was waiting for your late night bullshit. Just in time. Glorious! I was expecting a 3 am response with full rage tbh.
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Adam reported OBJ first today FWIW. Seems like he’s good at his job.
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But hey, when giving job reviews, in chum we trust!- #blueanon
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Adam reported OBJ first today FWIW. Seems like he’s good at his job.
I think the argument is that he gets this access because it the water he carries.
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Adam reported OBJ first today FWIW. Seems like he’s good at his job.
I think the argument is that he gets this access because it the water he carries.
Yeah, he did zero work to get where he’s at. Good point.
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Lib’s are shivering right now with this latest report
https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1459627218188046339?s=21
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Don’t know where to put this but seems like a good deal if you read, like, stuff
https://twitter.com/danbalz/status/1463555340667129871
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i'm mostly on the media's side in these things, but this is just an absolutely insane framing.
https://twitter.com/bernybelvedere/status/1464765117770387457
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Don’t know where to put this but seems like a good deal if you read, like, stuff
https://twitter.com/danbalz/status/1463555340667129871
that's a great deal, i'm gonna take that.
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https://twitter.com/latbbolch/status/1470141438298050572
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Some journalists have been candid about post traumatic stress disorder following the insurrection. Walker said one hallmark of PTSD is to have eerily clear flashbacks -- something he has experienced when reflecting on Jan. 6.
"It was immediately apparent to me (that day) that a shooting could break out from either side at any moment, just because people had breached such a secure building," Hunter Walker said.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/01/02/media/reliable-sources-jan-6-insurrection-anniversary/index.html
There is a video interview with Brian Stelter as well.
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https://twitter.com/SimoneReports/status/1484346679994175495
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Most on site reporters make a shitty salary starting out. She probably does get paid that, for being on site for one 2 minute piece a day.
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Wacky loves caping for MegaCorp over working folk because he had a job that didn’t pay well for a few years.
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Most on site reporters make a shitty salary starting out. She probably does get paid that, for being on site for one 2 minute piece a day.
That plus the other 7.9 hours of her shift when she's working on other stories...
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Wacky loves caping for MegaCorp over working folk because he had a job that didn’t pay well for a few years.
Makes perfect sense
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Got me, 8man!
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you know it's not much difference than your stance on student loans. you suffered, therefore others in your situation should also suffer.
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Most of those people didn't live at home for 7 years after college and didn't work two jobs to make up for it, so yeah, you're right.
I was just confirming what that reporter probably makes and you and 8man made this a thing, somehow.
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Most of those people didn't live at home for 7 years after college and didn't work two jobs to make up for it, so yeah, you're right.
I was just confirming what that reporter probably makes and you and 8man made this a thing, somehow.
yeah that's just what you were doing
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:rolleyes: :buh-bye:
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thread title checks out
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@michigancat has been paid handsomely before by big cooperate, so I'm a bit bewildered on what he's doing here.
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you know it's not much difference than your stance on student loans. you suffered, therefore others in your situation should also suffer.
I’d love to hear you explain your stance on student loans, michigancat
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Most of those people didn't live at home for 7 years after college and didn't work two jobs to make up for it, so yeah, you're right.
I was just confirming what that reporter probably makes and you and 8man made this a thing, somehow.
wait what?
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@michigancat has been paid handsomely before by big cooperate, so I'm a bit bewildered on what he's doing here.
Is Big Cooperate like another name for the Democratic Socialists of America? :confused:
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My teachers union lets me bully kids out their lunch money obviously, but in the new contract we can now go shake down parents for Amazon gift cards and make them give us Christmas presents so things are going pretty well.
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@michigancat has been paid handsomely before by big cooperate, so I'm a bit bewildered on what he's doing here.
Is Big Cooperate like another name for the Democratic Socialists of America? :confused:
:D
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https://twitter.com/CareyAMurdock/status/1489801939189739524
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https://twitter.com/petersagal/status/1496856881893150722?s=20&t=sXvwFnMKeYadSKuORKma4A
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Matthew Rosenberg of the NYT's on 1/6 reporters: Rosenberg: “These rough ridin' little dweebs who keep going on about their trauma. Shut the eff up. They’re rough ridin' bitches.”
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Matthew Rosenberg of the NYT's on 1/6 reporters: Rosenberg: “These rough ridin' little dweebs who keep going on about their trauma. Shut the eff up. They’re rough ridin' bitches.”
Black people been saying this, y'all steal everything.
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The person you are looking for is Matt Rosenberg
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Matthew Rosenberg of the NYT's on 1/6 reporters: Rosenberg: “These rough ridin' little dweebs who keep going on about their trauma. Shut the eff up. They’re rough ridin' bitches.”
Don't know who this is, but I suddenly like him.
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Matt summarizes the entire meltdown about 1/6 quit well.
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Lots of action coming out of the saudi golf thing.
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Lots of action coming out of the saudi golf thing.
iknorite, don't even get me started on that bullshit
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https://twitter.com/pewresearch/status/1536728963132932097
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https://twitter.com/ashtonpittman/status/1575673367700508672
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Anyone following the WaPo/Vogue beef re: Biden's granddaughter's wedding and the access/lack of access thereto? It's hilarious.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1595152633442205697?s=20&t=ndIgDMSfNMYmyYYDRwoZOg
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That headline...
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Anyone following the WaPo/Vogue beef re: Biden's granddaughter's wedding and the access/lack of access thereto? It's hilarious.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1595152633442205697?s=20&t=ndIgDMSfNMYmyYYDRwoZOg
The most appropriate use of this thread ever, my goodness.
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Not sure (time zones) if the body's cold yet.
https://twitter.com/MicahAdams13/status/1601406602598559745
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https://twitter.com/choeshow/status/1601792462003261440
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So much going on there.
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https://twitter.com/JennaLaineESPN/status/1604654008991420419
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Bless u Jenna. It’s time the fourth estate started demanding answers.
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https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1608134566765645830
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“Write whatever the hell you want” still living rent free in Kurtz head.
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sports journalists are the worst
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“Write whatever the hell you want” still living rent free in Kurtz head.
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1608160608909942784
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It’s so bizarre he’s looking to die on this hill when the only discussion is about how stupid the question was.
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it was a stupid question that certainly doesn't HAVE to be asked, but also Gundy threatening to ban the journalist is pretty weak. Team Nobody.
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This continues to be the dumbest thread on this board.
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I also don't want to tell homeboy's business without his permission but y'all have no idea what happened between John and the Snyder's, it goes far beyond Bill being testy with one question, way beyond.
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sports journalists are the worst
Yeah, they shouldn't take their jobs seriously because they don't do real journalism anyway.
https://web.archive.org/web/20070107224027/http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/the_bonus/01/04/corey.herring/index.html
https://www.pennlive.com/midstate/2011/11/exclusive_jerry_sandusky_inter.html
https://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/us/ncaa-athletes-reading-scores/
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/11/sports/ncaafootball/ncaa-baylor-sexual-assault.html
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/25/us/larry-nassar-indy-star/index.html
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/02/21/michigan-doctor-fired-sex-abuse-served-football-team-doctor-24-more-years/4835017002/
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I also don't want to tell homeboy's business without his permission but y'all have no idea what happened between John and the Snyder's, it goes far beyond Bill being testy with one question, way beyond.
Looks like you just did
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sports journalists are the worst
Yeah, they shouldn't take their jobs seriously because they don't do real journalism anyway.
https://web.archive.org/web/20070107224027/http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/the_bonus/01/04/corey.herring/index.html
https://www.pennlive.com/midstate/2011/11/exclusive_jerry_sandusky_inter.html
https://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/us/ncaa-athletes-reading-scores/
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/11/sports/ncaafootball/ncaa-baylor-sexual-assault.html
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/25/us/larry-nassar-indy-star/index.html
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/02/21/michigan-doctor-fired-sex-abuse-served-football-team-doctor-24-more-years/4835017002/
For every one guy that breaks something important, there are 20 Kurtz's who ask questions that nobody cares about and get twitter butthurt.
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NC State radio guy decided to go out in a blaze of glory for some reason
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35349790/nc-state-radio-voice-gary-hahn-suspended-illegal-aliens-reference
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https://twitter.com/rachelvscott/status/1669023036559826962
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lol
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"I has THE NEWS!!!!"
Meanwhile, phones were allowed, and they were texting updates in real time.
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they are all really honkin' off to this right now
https://twitter.com/ShehanJeyarajah/status/1677330255059599361
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:lol: :lol: :lol: That particularly :lol: :lol: :lol: in the context of what I just posted in the life and times of #blueanon/#blueanongE thread.
The desperation on both sides of the "journalist" domain to continually be invited to the table and to continually be invited to be room fillers on the cocktail party circuit is just an amazing follow.
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they are all really honkin' off to this right now
https://twitter.com/ShehanJeyarajah/status/1677330255059599361
For anyone who's ever been in a TV newsroom and a print newsroom it's not... terribly inaccurate
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:lol: :lol: :lol: That particularly :lol: :lol: :lol: in the context of what I just posted in the life and times of #blueanon/#blueanongE thread.
The desperation on both sides of the "journalist" domain to continually be invited to the table and to continually be invited to be room fillers on the cocktail party circuit is just an amazing follow.
Literally was thinking the same thing
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they are all really honkin' off to this right now
https://twitter.com/ShehanJeyarajah/status/1677330255059599361
For anyone who's ever been in a TV newsroom and a print newsroom it's not... terribly inaccurate
This is true
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wait, people on tv are better looking than those who aren't?
wtf?
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This is probably why Bill blocked Shehan’s ass.
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https://twitter.com/GlobeBobRyan/status/1678524567969488899
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https://twitter.com/GlobeBobRyan/status/1678524567969488899
Sorry bud, this doesn't fit. He said a day of infamy for American sports journalism. He knows exactly what the lane is and isn't straying from it. Now if he had just said American history, then yeah, persecution for sure. I think it's a pretty fair and accurate description that the newspapers in the two largest cities in America slashing their sports coverage is not a great day for American sports journalism.
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Capitalizing day and infamy is what qualified it.
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Capitalizing day and infamy is what qualified it.
He also got the date wrong but in the replies he gave himself crap about not having a copy editor
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https://twitter.com/lebatardshow/status/1678812154638499840
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Oh man
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Isn’t sports “Journalism” closer to Entertainment Tonight and US magazine than it is to the rest of the work done at the Times and the Post?
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Half the stuff on the Athletic reads like someone read a box score or looked at the standings and churned out a few paragraphs.
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Half the stuff on the Athletic reads like someone read a box score or looked at the standings and churned out a few paragraphs.
Probably plugged a few nuggets into ChatGPT and let it rip.
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Half the stuff on the Athletic reads like someone read a box score or looked at the standings and churned out a few paragraphs.
Probably plugged a few nuggets into ChatGPT and let it rip.
Yeah, it reads like the auto generated Gamechanger write ups for youth baseball games.
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Isn’t sports “Journalism” closer to Entertainment Tonight and US magazine than it is to the rest of the work done at the Times and the Post?
Maybe, but he didn't try to draw any further significance of sports journalism. This thread is watered down as hell. If he went on to draw some Watergate or Boston Globe uncovering abuse in the Catholic Church parallels, I mean then yeah, but he didn't do that.
Also that student newspaper absolutely single handedly got Pat Fitzgerald fired and the UP and his initial 2 week suspension for Fitzgerald might be next. They reported on that hazing when no one else had it. They stayed with it even when the school seemingly dropped the ball.
It's pretty hard, for just me I guess, to simultaneously compare sports journalism to Us Weekly and dismiss sports journalists who uncovered widespread bullying and racial issues within a football program at one of America's most prestigious universities.
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Were the student reporters SPORTS journalists, or journalists covering a story that was related to sports?
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I just checked, the student journalism appears to have been done by real news journalists and not sports entertainment followers.
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Your research didn't lead you to discover that the Daily Northwestern doesn't have dedicated sports writers? All of the journalists working on that Fitzgerald story have written other sports pieces outside of that. One of them wrote an article about the NBA Summer League right before they broke the Fitzgerald story.
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That's good, I'm glad for them that they write about more than just sports, OR are they are forced to write about sports in addition to real news as a part of a balanced curriculum? Though if someone wanted to waste a Northwestern education learning to write about entertainment then free country I guess.
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What a dumb rough ridin' dickhead. Even made her own hashtag :ROFL:
https://twitter.com/sagesteele/status/1691437577797337088?t=dNQm0rpMkXDyJkd-DSLShg&s=19
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I have no idea what this is about and don't care to find out but it reminded me how aggressively sports journos honk off to buzz.
https://twitter.com/ByPatForde/status/1691999191428411867
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Listen up: I have no patience for any chucklehead who thinks our kids can't watch Friday Night Lights. In fact, I'm rewatching it currently. And guess what? I'm enjoying the hell out of it. But I also have no patience to learn the name Buzz Bissinger, so me and Kyle Chandler are quietly quitting.
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One of my favorite things about Coach Taylor is how when he says he appreciates something…most of the time he actually does not, in fact, appreciate that thing. Probably resents it, if anything.
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One of my favorite things about Coach Taylor is how when he says he appreciates something…most of the time he actually does not, in fact, appreciate that thing. Probably resents it, if anything.
Deal with it, IMO
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Front page of this morning's Daily Tar Heel:
https://twitter.com/caitlyn_yaede/status/1696678904683970574?s=20
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Trim are you okay?
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Persecution grievance somewhat walked back. Awkward!
https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1702118049107615818
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Again you have watered down this thread to the point that it makes no sense.
I'm inclined to say she shouldn't have apologized but if was flatly lying about him then yeah she should have apologized and probably fired.
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Just a clarifying point - team reporters aren't real reporters. They're mouthpieces for the teams. Some of them - not all, but certainly some - try and project themselves as real reporters (usually the ones who previously were real reporters who got laid off and then turned to the "dark side"). But, they aren't. They're basically PR people who write stories.
So, if I'm the Bills, and I'm paying a salary to someone to write favorable coverage for my own team's website, social channels, etc., yeah, I'd probably be irritated by this "reporter's" oopsie.
Note - one could also argue that the vast majority of reporters who cover sports aren't "real" reporters and that's a fair viewpoint. It's certainly the viewpoint of many reporters who cover non-sports...
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https://twitter.com/MirjamSwanson/status/1704260390509817954
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Mirjam should be a gE event
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https://twitter.com/MirjamSwanson/status/1704260390509817954
If I'm reading this correctly, someone wrote a story and used quotes he got from eavesdropping on two players talking to each other? That's shady as crap, confused as to why he thought that was something he should have done.
Mirjam should be a gE event
Am I the only graduate of the Alexander Quintella Miller School of Journalism and Communication left on this board? :cry:
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https://twitter.com/MirjamSwanson/status/1704260390509817954
If I'm reading this correctly, someone wrote a story and used quotes he got from eavesdropping on two players talking to each other? That's shady as crap, confused as to why he thought that was something he should have done.
Mirjam should be a gE event
Am I the only graduate of the Alexander Quintella Miller School of Journalism and Communication left on this board? :cry:
You aren't, but "integrity" and "sports journalism" are an increasingly rare pairing.
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You aren't, but "integrity" and "sports journalism" are an increasingly rare pairing.
I noticed today at lunch that ESPN now features Chris "Mad Dog" Russo on the Stephen A. Smith show. Saw him just screaming at the camera and waving his hands around like a rough ridin' lunatic...and this is on top of an already totally unhinged production. Who can actually stand to watch that idiocy any more?
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https://twitter.com/BillPlaschke/status/1704614352219971728
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You aren't, but "integrity" and "sports journalism" are an increasingly rare pairing.
I noticed today at lunch that ESPN now features Chris "Mad Dog" Russo on the Stephen A. Smith show. Saw him just screaming at the camera and waving his hands around like a rough ridin' lunatic...and this is on top of an already totally unhinged production. Who can actually stand to watch that idiocy any more?
Nah brotha, you're wrong on this one.
https://twitter.com/JimmyTraina/status/1704519270791573949
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https://twitter.com/GaryParrishCBS/status/1704679539794723001
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Nah brotha, you're wrong on this one.
Clearly. ESPN wouldn't put this crap on TV if it wasn't wildly popular. I just happen to think it's horribly idiotic. My question was rhetorical.
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:frown:
https://twitter.com/AnnLHaley/status/1704983002290463080
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https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/1711538511206089213
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the braves clubhouse reporter thing is lol in a very this thread type of way
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the braves clubhouse reporter thing is lol in a very this thread type of way
:excited:
https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1712604715207520303
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So much today. :excited:
https://x.com/kathryntappen/status/1725288317384556651
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:lol:
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Uh oh.
https://twitter.com/Cassidy_Rob/status/1725521072819229048
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:lol:
https://twitter.com/afeldMMA/status/1725556535646953733
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Oh wow I saw that clip a while back and didn't really think anything of it.
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https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1725514671908868443
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That is actually hilarious that she just made up stupid coachspeak instead of just, like, not cutting to her just to make up a story.
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https://twitter.com/TreyWallace_/status/1728497681465504201
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https://twitter.com/MJAcostaTV/status/1731765459882573872
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https://twitter.com/bepryor/status/1747060614705418633
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I mean it was a bullshit question, but he didn't have to make a big thing about it.
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I mean it was a bullshit question, but he didn't have to make a big thing about it.
I felt like both of their actions were appropriate.
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I was confused by the clip I watched. It looked like they had already asked all their questions and then after a pause some guy was like "annnnyone else"? And then she started that question and Tomlin just left.
If that's the case, it's not nearly as dramatic as some have reported. He just knew he wasn't going to have any kind of answer (or already answered the question) and instead of saying as much he peaced out.
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Her tweeting about it is what got her here much more so than the event.
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First thoughts . . . Thank the FSM for that 1.5 trillion dollar plus Federal deficit spending
https://twitter.com/mualphaxi/status/1761386185916600385?s=46&t=-jwPwnR3rKHM9sk9hA7h8g
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https://themercury.com/opinion/from-the-publisher-how-we-control-the-weather/article_503cdfd7-c147-590f-ad34-a945df138d3b.html
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Thought this was gonna be about the Gregg Doyel cringe fest featuring Caitlin Clark