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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: Kat Kid on March 19, 2020, 10:33:00 AM
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I don’t want this to be comprehensive, but let’s start with the ground rules.
KSUW gets to drop in and decide, which was worse: Jared Kushner’s recent action, or Hunter Biden getting a no show job for a corrupt Ukrainian oil/gas company Burisma.
To save on time we will use the > symbol with the big mouth alligator saying the action is BETTER meaning more good or less bad than the other action
Score card so far (May be missing some)
Kushner getting security clearance > Hunter Biden
Kushner Middle East peace plan > Hunter Biden
New question!
Was Jared Kushner building his own team to respond to the COVID-19 outbreak better or worse than Hunter Biden’s Burisma shame?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kushner-coronavirus-team-sparks-confusion-plaudits-inside-white-house-response-efforts/2020/03/18/02038a16-6874-11ea-9923-57073adce27c_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kushner-coronavirus-team-sparks-confusion-plaudits-inside-white-house-response-efforts/2020/03/18/02038a16-6874-11ea-9923-57073adce27c_story.html)
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Kushner bringing conspiracy theories about experimental treatments directly to Trump better or worse than Hunter Biden's no-show job?
Trump’s view that he can ignore Fauci’s opinion may be influenced by advice he’s getting from Jared Kushner, whose outside-the-box efforts have often rankled those in charge of managing the crisis. According to two sources, Kushner has told Trump about experimental treatments he’s heard about from executives in Silicon Valley. “Jared is bringing conspiracy theories to Trump about potential treatments,” a Republican briefed on the conversations told me. (The White House did not respond to a request for comment.)
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Just to save some time, here is my answer to all your questions....
(https://www.agencymabu.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/tommyboy-719742-560x344.jpg)
Jared > Hunter.
And my serious answer to all your questions is that you are comparing steak to spam. Yes, they’re both technically meat products. But even if you believe that both are incidents of nepotism rewarding incompetence (and I don’t agree), Hunter is the incompetent nepotism plus a heap of good old fashioned grift on the side.
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sorry kk, really thought you had him there
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Which one was the serious answer again?
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Which one was the serious answer again?
"you are comparing steak to spam"
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not surprised, but glad we got it on the record.
i won't bother updating, but others can feel free to post dumb kushner crap here.
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Just to save some time, here is my answer to all your questions....
(https://www.agencymabu.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/tommyboy-719742-560x344.jpg)
Jared > Hunter.
And my serious answer to all your questions is that you are comparing steak to spam. Yes, they’re both technically meat products. But even if you believe that both are incidents of nepotism rewarding incompetence (and I don’t agree), Hunter is the incompetent nepotism plus a heap of good old fashioned grift on the side.
So Hunter is the one who sells all of the brake pads and saves the town and Jared is the guy who is supposed to be competent but never manages to do anything but sit around bitching and whining the whole time. Sounds about right.
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Come on now. That was a pretty good movie reference.
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I guess the part I come back to that makes it impossible to compare the two:
One of them traded on their name to personally enrich themselves at the hands of Amtrak and some Ukranian oil and gas company.
The other one traded on their name to personally enrich themselves and have 24/7 access to the president and make a bunch of important decisions that impact billions of people.
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Hunter also parties hard and Kush is a nudge
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Kush as the creepy weirdo who spies on girls and bates?
Checks out
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Jared Kushner is on the verge of solving all the world's problems. Glad we threw the virus at him too. He'll have the knocked out by nap time
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/03/kushner-coronavirus-testing-oscar-company/609139/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/03/kushner-coronavirus-testing-oscar-company/609139/)
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https://twitter.com/AustinUXgirl/status/1245449684157693952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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thank you to sys for providing the above info
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as a taxpayer, i'd be happy to offer him a 50k/month stipend to stay out of government.
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It’s incredible that the absolute most success that guy could have is him just doing nothing for his entire life.
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https://twitter.com/geoffrbennett/status/1245830399059787777
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https://twitter.com/geoffrbennett/status/1245830399059787777
This fuckin guy
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1245852517474295809
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very smart. what would happen if they gave out federal supplies to the states for covid 19 and then they suddenly had some sort of medical emergency in the federal?
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Why do there have to be so many people who are prone to major eff ups here? Ugh.
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very smart. what would happen if they gave out federal supplies to the states for covid 19 and then they suddenly had some sort of medical emergency in the federal?
kushner and his federal team would be mumped. can't have that happen
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very smart. what would happen if they gave out federal supplies to the states for covid 19 and then they suddenly had some sort of medical emergency in the federal?
This sort of ability to think 2 steps ahead is exactly how our guy Kush has made peace in the Middle East a reality.
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I don't think it was in this thread, but Kushner was advising Trump to ride it out rather than listen to the experts a couple weeks ago. Ugh.
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lol. Nice series of posts, guys :emawkid:
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https://twitter.com/windsormann/status/1245836424773021701?s=21
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i could read delusional jared stories for the rest of my life.
Very much reminds me of Jared's brother's buds that I worked with. Harvard, privileged backgrounds. Absolute confidence that they could handle anything that anyone had ever done before because they were at least as smart as anyone who'd ever done it before (but probably smarter and could do it better). This was also when tech startups were all the rage. Breaking, disrupting, etc. So, that totally just fed right into their unconditional confidence in their own abilities.
https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1246055576343379968
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https://twitter.com/franklinleonard/status/1245836535762579456
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https://twitter.com/franklinleonard/status/1245836535762579456
LOL the NYT story in there
The culture clash between public and private sectors has been jarring. The senior official described the Kushner team as a “frat party” that descended from a U.F.O. and invaded the federal government. To government officials, the outsiders demonstrated a lax attitude to policy discussions, at one point using the website FreeConferenceCall.com to arrange high-level meetings.
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lmao
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omg
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i could read delusional jared stories for the rest of my life.
Very much reminds me of Jared's brother's buds that I worked with. Harvard, privileged backgrounds. Absolute confidence that they could handle anything that anyone had ever done before because they were at least as smart as anyone who'd ever done it before (but probably smarter and could do it better). This was also when tech startups were all the rage. Breaking, disrupting, etc. So, that totally just fed right into their unconditional confidence in their own abilities.
https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1246055576343379968
Dang you nailed it.
Also reminds me of Elon Musk saying he can easily build ventilators
https://twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1245524854306009089
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Well, I was told yesterday that if those are different at all, the home use ones are probably more complicated.
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Really wasn't wanting to kick ass in this thread cause this is supposed to be about what an idiot Kushner is, but whatev.
1. I don't think Musk deserves much grief for offering to donate ventilators that are not rated for continuous life-sustaining support. If they were used for COVID it would be purely as a stop gap measure. I mean how can we have commentators decrying Musk's effort but celebrating this monstrosity: https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/rice-engineers-ventilator-shortage-coronavirus/
2. https://aeroflowinc.com/need-ventilator-instead-bipap-cpap/
CPAPs are most commonly used for obstructive sleep apnea treatment. Pressurized air is forced down the airway to keep the airway open and free from obstruction. This prevents sleep apnea from occurring.
BiPAP is a more complex type of sleep therapy machine that is used when CPAP can not be tolerated, the airway can not open adequately with a CPAP, or when a patient has central sleep apnea.
There is a common misconception that ventilators are large pieces of equipment for bed-bound patients. However, there are options like the Trilogy Ventilator or Astral, that are small and mobile. By only weighing 11 pounds with a compact design patients are still able to maintain their freedom.
https://www.usa.philips.com/healthcare/product/HC1054260/trilogy100-portable-ventilator/specifications
https://www.somatechnology.com/blog/products/trilogy-ventilator-philips-respironics-trilogy-202-trilogy-machine/
What is a trilogy device?
A trilogy machine is one that is also a ventilator. This ventilator helps to treat respiratory infections or respiratory diseases where a person needs assistance because they can not breathe on their own.
What is the difference between a trilogy and a BiPAP?
The trilogy can deliver either BiPAP or CPAP ventilation. BiPAP ventilation is when there are two pressure levels to the ventilation. The trilogy machine works on CPAP.
What is the difference between BiPAP and CPAP?
BiPAP and CPAP are both different modes of ventilation. CPAP is a continuous level of ventilation. BiPAP is used when there are two pressure levels. This is for people who need positive air pressure.
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Anything Elon Musk does to help out is a bonus. The fact that he is catching crap for doing *something* speaks to how inadequate our government response has been
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Really wasn't wanting to kick ass in this thread cause this is supposed to be about what an idiot Kushner is, but whatev.
1. I don't think Musk deserves much grief for offering to donate ventilators that are not rated for continuous life-sustaining support. If they were used for COVID it would be purely as a stop gap measure. I mean how can we have commentators decrying Musk's effort but celebrating this monstrosity: https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/rice-engineers-ventilator-shortage-coronavirus/
2. https://aeroflowinc.com/need-ventilator-instead-bipap-cpap/
CPAPs are most commonly used for obstructive sleep apnea treatment. Pressurized air is forced down the airway to keep the airway open and free from obstruction. This prevents sleep apnea from occurring.
BiPAP is a more complex type of sleep therapy machine that is used when CPAP can not be tolerated, the airway can not open adequately with a CPAP, or when a patient has central sleep apnea.
There is a common misconception that ventilators are large pieces of equipment for bed-bound patients. However, there are options like the Trilogy Ventilator or Astral, that are small and mobile. By only weighing 11 pounds with a compact design patients are still able to maintain their freedom.
https://www.usa.philips.com/healthcare/product/HC1054260/trilogy100-portable-ventilator/specifications
https://www.somatechnology.com/blog/products/trilogy-ventilator-philips-respironics-trilogy-202-trilogy-machine/
What is a trilogy device?
A trilogy machine is one that is also a ventilator. This ventilator helps to treat respiratory infections or respiratory diseases where a person needs assistance because they can not breathe on their own.
What is the difference between a trilogy and a BiPAP?
The trilogy can deliver either BiPAP or CPAP ventilation. BiPAP ventilation is when there are two pressure levels to the ventilation. The trilogy machine works on CPAP.
What is the difference between BiPAP and CPAP?
BiPAP and CPAP are both different modes of ventilation. CPAP is a continuous level of ventilation. BiPAP is used when there are two pressure levels. This is for people who need positive air pressure.
The point is Musk said he could easily build ventilators for hospitals, got some good press that he was supplying 1000, but the stories didn't actually acknowledge that he bought them or that they weren't certified for hospital use. Good on him for donating, but he can eff off for tricking people into thinking he built them.
https://twitter.com/vijayshekhar/status/1245211380526886912
https://twitter.com/walletcheck/status/1245385205327654913
And that senior design project at Rice shouldn't be celebrated, either. It's another example of young people who went to elite or semi-elite schools thinking they're smarter than the entire medical device industry who gee whiz never thought that a low price ventilator would be good for business.
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Anything Elon Musk does to help out is a bonus. The fact that he is catching crap for doing *something* speaks to how inadequate our government response has been
Those machines increase the spread of the virus by aerosolizing it and they are not adequate for patients that need the more invasive hospital-grade ventilator, anyway.
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Not to make this into a Musk thread, but as a resident Tesla owner, his whole schtick this entire pandemic is just frustrating bordering on being opening angry at him. He pretty much trump'd it as the beginning (I actually mean that seriously, to me Elon is very much like trump at least ego wise, he's just obviously actually smarter, just not as smart as he thinks he is) calling it everything from the hysteria was too much, to claiming that kids were "essentially immune" to this crap promising he can build ventilators, when in the end they are CPAP machine that he clearly bought passing them off as Tesla built.
Just like trump he has an absolute sheep-like following that sees he can do no wrong, and opposition that sees wrong in everything he does. He makes wild ass claims (we can build 1000 ventilators in a week, when Ford/GM can't do that for weeks, cave submarine idea) /deadlines (Model 3 timeline) on things with very little blow back for when he's shown wrong or missed the deadlines. He's dealt in some pretty shady ethical practices both before this crisis (funding secured/the SEC removing from being the chair of Tesla, calling the cave guy a pedo) and ever since it started (easiest of this being trying to keep the factory open claiming it was an essential business), treats many employees and subordinates like crap. Also, Tesla as a company consistently struggles to turn profits yet until this whole crisis happened was magically worth more than Ford or GM, who sells orders of magnitudes of cars more than Tesla, but yet "cause Elon's awesome" it gets valued way more.
Yet, I want his overall mission to getting to sustainable transport and a less emissions to happen. Quite the pickle honestly. Like the idea, worried about the methods of implementation, and definitely a compromised individual with a giant outsized ego who often thinks he's literally the smartest person in the room, yet doesn't realize that he doesn't know everything about everything, and if you cross him he'll find ways to send his hoards of rabid followers to slam you on twitter.
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Not to make this into a Musk thread, but as a resident Tesla owner, his whole schtick this entire pandemic is just frustrating bordering on being opening angry at him. He pretty much trump'd it as the beginning (I actually mean that seriously, to me Elon is very much like trump at least ego wise, he's just obviously actually smarter, just not as smart as he thinks he is) calling it everything from the hysteria was too much, to claiming that kids were "essentially immune" to this crap promising he can build ventilators, when in the end they are CPAP machine that he clearly bought passing them off as Tesla built.
Just like trump he has an absolute sheep-like following that sees he can do no wrong, and opposition that sees wrong in everything he does. He makes wild ass claims (we can build 1000 ventilators in a week, when Ford/GM can't do that for weeks, cave submarine idea) /deadlines (Model 3 timeline) on things with very little blow back for when he's shown wrong or missed the deadlines. He's dealt in some pretty shady ethical practices both before this crisis (funding secured/the SEC removing from being the chair of Tesla, calling the cave guy a pedo) and ever since it started (easiest of this being trying to keep the factory open claiming it was an essential business), treats many employees and subordinates like crap. Also, Tesla as a company consistently struggles to turn profits yet until this whole crisis happened was magically worth more than Ford or GM, who sells orders of magnitudes of cars more than Tesla, but yet "cause Elon's awesome" it gets valued way more.
Yet, I want his overall mission to getting to sustainable transport and a less emissions to happen. Quite the pickle honestly. Like the idea, worried about the methods of implementation, and definitely a compromised individual with a giant outsized ego who often thinks he's literally the smartest person in the room, yet doesn't realize that he doesn't know everything about everything, and if you cross him he'll find ways to send his hoards of rabid followers to slam you on twitter.
read the NYT Kushner article - this post fits in here! It's about the problem of false confidence in your abilities and dismissal of people who know what they're doing.
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Anything Elon Musk does to help out is a bonus. The fact that he is catching crap for doing *something* speaks to how inadequate our government response has been
Those machines increase the spread of the virus by aerosolizing it and they are not adequate for patients that need the more invasive hospital-grade ventilator, anyway.
Agree that he sucks, but he can't be expected to be any part of a realistic solution. I just don't have the energy to be outraged about his expected fuckery. I honestly don't think that he's making the problem worse by donating problematic machines as they'll get shoved in a storage container by the knowledgeable people.
read the NYT Kushner article - this post fits in here! It's about the problem of false confidence in your abilities and dismissal of people who know what they're doing.
This. The government's expected fuckery at the hands of these billionaire grifters is where I channel my outrage.
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Anything Elon Musk does to help out is a bonus. The fact that he is catching crap for doing *something* speaks to how inadequate our government response has been
Those machines increase the spread of the virus by aerosolizing it and they are not adequate for patients that need the more invasive hospital-grade ventilator, anyway.
Agree that he sucks, but he can't be expected to be any part of a realistic solution. I just don't have the energy to be outraged about his expected fuckery. I honestly don't think that he's making the problem worse by donating problematic machines as they'll get shoved in a storage container by the knowledgeable people.
I mean it's all the same problem, I have plenty of energy to be pissed at the government (and public) reaction to the billionaire grifters but also be pissed at the billionaire grifters for trying the grift
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Anything Elon Musk does to help out is a bonus. The fact that he is catching crap for doing *something* speaks to how inadequate our government response has been
Those machines increase the spread of the virus by aerosolizing it and they are not adequate for patients that need the more invasive hospital-grade ventilator, anyway.
Agree that he sucks, but he can't be expected to be any part of a realistic solution. I just don't have the energy to be outraged about his expected fuckery. I honestly don't think that he's making the problem worse by donating problematic machines as they'll get shoved in a storage container by the knowledgeable people.
I mean it's all the same problem, I have plenty of energy to be pissed at the government (and public) reaction to the billionaire grifters but also be pissed at the billionaire grifters for trying the grift
This more succinctly puts where I'm at. Lots of opportunists and grifters both private and public (and often enabled because of this admin) and it's just frustrating to watch actual experts have to deal with the dumbassery of the rich and powerful.
read the NYT Kushner article - this post fits in here! It's about the problem of false confidence in your abilities and dismissal of people who know what they're doing.
I'll have to read it, I got a lot of that kinda info from the new season of Dirty Money, so I expect it's a lot of the same high handedness just instead of just screwing over tenants it's the entire country.
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https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1246109260104294406
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can this just be the master fail son/daughter and fail son/daughter in law thread?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUwYZp0XQAAv--w?format=jpg&name=large)
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At least there is no chance that a good self made boot strap MAGA organization like Trump will take SOCIALIST wealth redistribution from the government
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Radio now mocking TF out of changing the wording on the web page. Kushner made a huge dumb eff of himself and his FIL
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Advantage: Kush
https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/964453/58
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President Xi and the Bank of China are getting a little upset about the lack of return phone calls of late from the Biden's. They'll be requesting documentation on how the BoC's investment(s) in the Biden's are performing during these troubling times.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/495212-kushner-predicts-much-of-the-country-will-be-back-to-normal-in-june (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/495212-kushner-predicts-much-of-the-country-will-be-back-to-normal-in-june)
White House senior adviser Jared Kushner on Wednesday expressed optimism that much of the country could be "back to normal" by June as several states prepare to lift restrictions meant to slow the spread of the coronavirus.
"I think what you’ll see in May as the states are reopening now is May will be a transition month, you’ll see a lot of states starting to phase in the different reopening based on the safety guidelines that President Trump outlined on April 19," Kushner said on "Fox & Friends."
"I think you’ll see by June that a lot of the country should be back to normal, and the hope is that by July the country’s really rocking again," the president's son-in-law continued.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/495212-kushner-predicts-much-of-the-country-will-be-back-to-normal-in-june (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/495212-kushner-predicts-much-of-the-country-will-be-back-to-normal-in-june)
White House senior adviser Jared Kushner on Wednesday expressed optimism that much of the country could be "back to normal" by June as several states prepare to lift restrictions meant to slow the spread of the coronavirus.
"I think what you’ll see in May as the states are reopening now is May will be a transition month, you’ll see a lot of states starting to phase in the different reopening based on the safety guidelines that President Trump outlined on April 19," Kushner said on "Fox & Friends."
"I think you’ll see by June that a lot of the country should be back to normal, and the hope is that by July the country’s really rocking again," the president's son-in-law continued.
https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1255497432500232192
May have been included in the article, but I enjoyed this quote best.
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Absolute mush brain.
https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1260340245465309186?s=21
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DNC ballot harvesting pre-planning must be going well.
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https://twitter.com/JustinWolfers/status/1260900671127158785
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https://twitter.com/DefTechPat/status/1371927617029480454?s=20