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General Discussion => Essentially Flyertalk => Topic started by: ew2x4 on June 05, 2010, 01:26:11 AM
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Anyone here into photography? I've always been interested. I'm thinking about picking up a cheap DSLR. Amazon has a good deal on a Rebel XS. Basically a free telephoto lens with it. What do you guys have? Any recommendations?
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you should talk to cyclist - he's into it.
i want a camera but just haven't dropped the coin yet, i will before this winter holiday season though.
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I've got a Canon 20D; but now I have kids and can't upgrade (hear that SD? kids are expensive) . We shoot Nikon at work - and I think both brands have the selling points. I'm sticking with canon 'cause I've dropped about a grand on Canon lenses and I don't want to switch. I've never shot with a rebel; but I know they basically have the same sensor, so with prime lenses, you should be able to get just as good of an image, it's just slower and may not have the ISO bump.
My advice, spend more $$ on the lens than your camera. Camera's come and go, but a good lens will make or break a shot.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4001/4602578795_300d4bf689_b.jpg)
Here's a shot I've been working lately - Need some new wall art for the living room.
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I want to take a sweet pix of a chick with nice chongas.
CALIENTE!
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I've got a Canon 20D; but now I have kids and can't upgrade (hear that SD? kids are expensive) . We shoot Nikon at work - and I think both brands have the selling points. I'm sticking with canon 'cause I've dropped about a grand on Canon lenses and I don't want to switch. I've never shot with a rebel; but I know they basically have the same sensor, so with prime lenses, you should be able to get just as good of an image, it's just slower and may not have the ISO bump.
My advice, spend more $$ on the lens than your camera. Camera's come and go, but a good lens will make or break a shot.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4001/4602578795_300d4bf689_b.jpg)
Here's a shot I've been working lately - Need some new wall art for the living room.
Thanks for the input. I'm trying to decide on either a low-end DSLR or get a high-end advanced point and shoot. I mean, I don't want to sink my life saving into a hobby that I may or may not be doing for years to come, ya know? What's your opinion on that? I'll probably use it most for landscapes and architecture (and chicks with nice chongas), so wide angle, macro, and telephoto are things I'd want to do. Do I just settle for a high end Nikon PandS or get a cheapo Olympus DSLR from Walmart?
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I want to take a sweet pix of a chick with nice chongas.
CALIENTE!
That's a really funny joke to play on that chick.
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I want to take a sweet pix of a chick with nice chongas.
CALIENTE!
That's a really funny joke to play on that chick.
that's a great idea, i'll tell her it's a joke!
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I've got a Canon 20D; but now I have kids and can't upgrade (hear that SD? kids are expensive) . We shoot Nikon at work - and I think both brands have the selling points. I'm sticking with canon 'cause I've dropped about a grand on Canon lenses and I don't want to switch. I've never shot with a rebel; but I know they basically have the same sensor, so with prime lenses, you should be able to get just as good of an image, it's just slower and may not have the ISO bump.
My advice, spend more $$ on the lens than your camera. Camera's come and go, but a good lens will make or break a shot.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4001/4602578795_300d4bf689_b.jpg)
Here's a shot I've been working lately - Need some new wall art for the living room.
This is a great shot, btw.
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I've got a Canon 20D; but now I have kids and can't upgrade (hear that SD? kids are expensive) . We shoot Nikon at work - and I think both brands have the selling points. I'm sticking with canon 'cause I've dropped about a grand on Canon lenses and I don't want to switch. I've never shot with a rebel; but I know they basically have the same sensor, so with prime lenses, you should be able to get just as good of an image, it's just slower and may not have the ISO bump.
My advice, spend more $$ on the lens than your camera. Camera's come and go, but a good lens will make or break a shot.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4001/4602578795_300d4bf689_b.jpg)
Here's a shot I've been working lately - Need some new wall art for the living room.
Thanks for the input. I'm trying to decide on either a low-end DSLR or get a high-end advanced point and shoot. I mean, I don't want to sink my life saving into a hobby that I may or may not be doing for years to come, ya know? What's your opinion on that? I'll probably use it most for landscapes and architecture (and chicks with nice chongas), so wide angle, macro, and telephoto are things I'd want to do. Do I just settle for a high end Nikon PandS or get a cheapo Olympus DSLR from Walmart?
Typically, P&S cameras aren't ideal for wide angle shots. They do have an enormous depth of field, so getting everything in a landscape shot in focus. But if you ever want to isolate a subject and blur the background, not that great. P&S cameras do have a macro setting, but nowhere near as striking as a DSLR with a macro lens.
Just by the wide gamut of shots you want to take, a DSLR with dedicated lenses for each type of shot, is the ideal (although most expensive) setup. $500 for the body + 18-55mm kit lens. (http://www.amazon.com/Canon-XS-Digital-18-55mm-Black/dp/B001CBKJGG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1275805381&sr=8-1) You can save $100 by getting the body only, but the kit lens is good for a walk-about lens, when you don't want to carry multiple lenses. $400 for the Canon 60mm f/2.8 macro. (http://www.amazon.com/Canon-EF-S-Macro-Digital-Cameras/dp/B0007WK8KS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1275805515&sr=1-1) $500 for the Tamron 10-24 Ultrawide zoom. (http://www.amazon.com/Tamron-10-24mm-3-5-4-5-Aspherical-Digital/dp/B001G7PIBC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1275805977&sr=1-1) $600 for Canon 70-200mm f/4 telephoto (no IS). (http://www.amazon.com/Canon-70-200mm-Telephoto-Zoom-Cameras/dp/B000053HH5/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1275806196&sr=1-1) You can find cheaper lenses out there, but as has been said, the lenses are the real workhorse in the setup, so you get what you pay for. I would also throw in the Canon 50mm f/1.8 (http://www.amazon.com/Canon-50mm-1-8-Camera-Lens/dp/B00007E7JU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1275806571&sr=1-1), as it is cheap and a great portrait lens. Fast, tack sharp, great images. Also, being a prime lens, it forces you to move instead of zooming in or out, teaching you composition and framing techniques. You'll also need a tripod (whether you buy a P&S or DSLR) for macro, landscape and architecture shots. You'll be amazed at how bad holding a camera by hand makes your photos turn out.
P&S cameras are slower to focus and take the actual shot. But for landscape and architecture shots, not really an issue. Definitely annoying for sports and events.
If you really want to get into photography, DSLR's offer the best avenue for learning as you go. They have simple "program' modes all the way up to full manual controls. P&S's offer some manual controls, but really never to the extent that you want/need.
But, P&S's are cheaper, smaller, simpler.
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Honestly giving camera advice on a message board is pretty hard. Mostly you need to get a camera that you're going to be willing to take with you, and that you're comfortable using.
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Thanks for the input. I'm trying to decide on either a low-end DSLR or get a high-end advanced point and shoot PaS camera that will limit what I want to do. I mean, I don't want to sink my life saving into a hobby that I may or may not be doing for years to come, ya know? What's your opinion on that? I'll probably use it most for landscapes and architecture (and chicks with nice chongas), so wide angle, macro, and telephoto are things I'd want to do. Do I just settle for a high end Nikon PandS or get a cheapo Olympus DSLR from Walmart?
Fixed that first sentence for you. High-end advanced point and shoot cameras are marketing gimmicks aimed at novice photogs like yourself. That's not to say they don't serve a purpose, but you're still very limited with the type of shots you can get with them. A PaS camera can only be so "advanced" before it defeats the purpose of being PaS.
You could search around for an old camera body (Nikon or Cannon), which will be available in a range of $200-1k-plus, probably want to be in the $500 range. Anything in the last 5 years is going to have good auto sensors and will handle most of the stuff that a PaS will do but you'll also have the ability to keep adding lenses and experiment with filters. If you're seriously considering getting into photography, you shouldn't be treating this as a one-time investment. Like most hobbies, you start small and gradually keep adding to the collection. You can't really do that with a PaS.
If you're intent on shooting mostly still-life photos, you can probably get a decent rig (body and 18-200ish lens) for $700-1k. And you'll be using that body lens for the next 20 years.
In the Cannon/Nikon debate, Cannons are very user friendly and take excellent pictures but no all lenses fit all bodys. That's the one really big advantage of Nikon. The new versions of each are pretty much identical though.
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Damn...I could have just put a simple THIS after Duncan's post.
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Honestly giving camera advice on a message board is pretty hard. Mostly you need to get a camera that you're going to be willing to take with you, and that you're comfortable using.
Yep. Lugging around a DSLR is a commitment. If you are not willing to do that, than you'll just end up hating to use it.
In the end, you are the reason the photo is great, not the camera. I've seen pretty amazing photos taken with cell phones. Probably not the best image quality, but composition/subject/lighting etc. Cameras are just tools, what is important is how you use them. You also see pretty boring photos taken with Canon 5dmII's.
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Ok, so the Canon is out of stock. So no go on that deal. What do you guys think of Olympus e-620? Obviously not a 5dmII or anything, but I've read some pretty positive reviews. I found a decent deal for one and the kit lens and a telephoto lens 40-150mm.
Thanks for the tips guys. Most of it is reaffirming what I think, but I'd rather hear it from guys that know what they're talking about.
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Can't tell you anything about Olympus DSLR, wouldn't hurt to go to a store and look at these as well. Get a feel for the weight, see how it feels in your hands etc. You may want to visit an actually camera shop before making the purchase and talk to someone there. They'll be able to give you much better information on different brands. I know nothing outside of Nikon and Cannon because those are the only ones I come across at work.
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Ok, so the Canon is out of stock. So no go on that deal. What do you guys think of Olympus e-620? Obviously not a 5dmII or anything, but I've read some pretty positive reviews. I found a decent deal for one and the kit lens and a telephoto lens 40-150mm.
Thanks for the tips guys. Most of it is reaffirming what I think, but I'd rather hear it from guys that know what they're talking about.
I've never held/used an Olympus, but I do hear that they are good cameras. Although from what I've read, they tend to be slightly expensive for what you get, when compared to Canons/Nikons. The E-620 i think is comparable to the Canon XSi, which, with a kit lens, is around $100 cheaper.
I have no clue how the cost of 4/3 lenses are to other lenses.
Olympus uses the four-thirds sensor system (whereas a camera like the XSi is APS-C). It is a smaller sensor than an APS-C sensor. So compared to a full-size 35mm sensor, the Canon APS-C has a crop factor of 1.6x, while the 4/3 is 2x. Nikon APS-C is 1.5x. Basically, it is the scale factor you would need to enlarge to have the same image size as a full-frame sensor.
(http://images.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/tut_digital_sensor-sizes.png)
So while bigger than a P&S sensor, it still is on the smaller end of DSLR. So again, the smaller the sensor, the more noise you'll have, and less control over depth of field.
But it does make the camera smaller and lighter. And lenses are smaller and lighter, especially longer telephoto lenses.
Overall, larger sensors generally provide more control and greater artistic flexibility, but at the cost of requiring larger lenses and more expensive equipment. This flexibility allows one to create a shallower depth of field than possible with a smaller sensor (if desired), but yet still achieve a comparable depth of field to a smaller sensor by using a higher ISO speed and smaller aperture (or when using a tripod).
(link for complete article on this) (http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/digital-camera-sensor-size.htm)
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I've shot with olympus before and it was the suck compared to Canon/Nikon. It could have been because it was a lower end Olympus, but since that's what you're considering, it would probably be similar. I've shot with Canons & Nikon's lower end, and they're solid cameras. SLR's are obviously better, but I wouldn't skimp and buy the cheapest DSLR you can find - IMO, a high end P&S would be better. We've got some old P&S cameras at work that take some pretty great shots. These were like $500 P&S camera's though - which, for not much more you could get a DSLR.
Someone pointed out above though, If you're wanting to "learn" photography, you absolutely need something that you can shoot in manual mode. All those program functions are great for not thinking & just shooting - but camera's are stupid and don't know WHAT you're photographing - it's only seeing light. You can't make it do what you want if there isn't some sort of manual mode; even the ability to specify at least the shutter speed or at least the aperture. A P&S won't even give you the ability to understand the basics of photography.
My advice, if you're not wanting to sink a ton of $$ into, just get a simple DSLR kit with one lens. Just the basic lenses that typically comes with the camera is pretty much going to work for everything if you're just starting out. You don't have to buy it all at once - spend $700 now, and add to it later in lenses. Maybe spend $1500 on a lens here in 2-3 years or so if you're still into it.
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I've shot with olympus before and it was the suck compared to Canon/Nikon. It could have been because it was a lower end Olympus, but since that's what you're considering, it would probably be similar. I've shot with Canons & Nikon's lower end, and they're solid cameras. SLR's are obviously better, but I wouldn't skimp and buy the cheapest DSLR you can find - IMO, a high end P&S would be better. We've got some old P&S cameras at work that take some pretty great shots. These were like $500 P&S camera's though - which, for not much more you could get a DSLR.
Someone pointed out above though, If you're wanting to "learn" photography, you absolutely need something that you can shoot in manual mode. All those program functions are great for not thinking & just shooting - but camera's are stupid and don't know WHAT you're photographing - it's only seeing light. You can't make it do what you want if there isn't some sort of manual mode; even the ability to specify at least the shutter speed or at least the aperture. A P&S won't even give you the ability to understand the basics of photography.
My advice, if you're not wanting to sink a ton of $$ into, just get a simple DSLR kit with one lens. Just the basic lenses that typically comes with the camera is pretty much going to work for everything if you're just starting out. You don't have to buy it all at once - spend $700 now, and add to it later in lenses. Maybe spend $1500 on a lens here in 2-3 years or so if you're still into it.
Thanks for the tips, guys. I've read really good things about the Olympus, but it's not overall as positive as the Canon, obviously. I played with the same model yesterday in the store and it was comfortable and fairly easy to navigate menu. The quality seemed to be good enough, but it's hard to tell until you get it on the computer screen and are able to really pick apart the stuff.
Also, what are your guys' take on the Pentax K-X?
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Ok, so the Canon is out of stock. So no go on that deal. What do you guys think of Olympus e-620? Obviously not a 5dmII or anything, but I've read some pretty positive reviews. I found a decent deal for one and the kit lens and a telephoto lens 40-150mm.
Thanks for the tips guys. Most of it is reaffirming what I think, but I'd rather hear it from guys that know what they're talking about.
I've never held/used an Olympus, but I do hear that they are good cameras. Although from what I've read, they tend to be slightly expensive for what you get, when compared to Canons/Nikons. The E-620 i think is comparable to the Canon XSi, which, with a kit lens, is around $100 cheaper.
I have no clue how the cost of 4/3 lenses are to other lenses.
Olympus uses the four-thirds sensor system (whereas a camera like the XSi is APS-C). It is a smaller sensor than an APS-C sensor. So compared to a full-size 35mm sensor, the Canon APS-C has a crop factor of 1.6x, while the 4/3 is 2x. Nikon APS-C is 1.5x. Basically, it is the scale factor you would need to enlarge to have the same image size as a full-frame sensor.
(http://images.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/tut_digital_sensor-sizes.png)
So while bigger than a P&S sensor, it still is on the smaller end of DSLR. So again, the smaller the sensor, the more noise you'll have, and less control over depth of field.
But it does make the camera smaller and lighter. And lenses are smaller and lighter, especially longer telephoto lenses.
Overall, larger sensors generally provide more control and greater artistic flexibility, but at the cost of requiring larger lenses and more expensive equipment. This flexibility allows one to create a shallower depth of field than possible with a smaller sensor (if desired), but yet still achieve a comparable depth of field to a smaller sensor by using a higher ISO speed and smaller aperture (or when using a tripod).
(link for complete article on this) (http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/digital-camera-sensor-size.htm)
Honestly, the 4/3 is what is making me the most hesitant. The availability of lenses is a concern.
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I've shot with olympus before and it was the suck compared to Canon/Nikon. It could have been because it was a lower end Olympus, but since that's what you're considering, it would probably be similar. I've shot with Canons & Nikon's lower end, and they're solid cameras. SLR's are obviously better, but I wouldn't skimp and buy the cheapest DSLR you can find - IMO, a high end P&S would be better. We've got some old P&S cameras at work that take some pretty great shots. These were like $500 P&S camera's though - which, for not much more you could get a DSLR.
Someone pointed out above though, If you're wanting to "learn" photography, you absolutely need something that you can shoot in manual mode. All those program functions are great for not thinking & just shooting - but camera's are stupid and don't know WHAT you're photographing - it's only seeing light. You can't make it do what you want if there isn't some sort of manual mode; even the ability to specify at least the shutter speed or at least the aperture. A P&S won't even give you the ability to understand the basics of photography.
My advice, if you're not wanting to sink a ton of $$ into, just get a simple DSLR kit with one lens. Just the basic lenses that typically comes with the camera is pretty much going to work for everything if you're just starting out. You don't have to buy it all at once - spend $700 now, and add to it later in lenses. Maybe spend $1500 on a lens here in 2-3 years or so if you're still into it.
Thanks for the tips, guys. I've read really good things about the Olympus, but it's not overall as positive as the Canon, obviously. I played with the same model yesterday in the store and it was comfortable and fairly easy to navigate menu. The quality seemed to be good enough, but it's hard to tell until you get it on the computer screen and are able to really pick apart the stuff.
Also, what are your guys' take on the Pentax K-X?
Pentax K-X is decent according to the one photographer I know that uses Pentax cameras. Of course, I generally only care about how well something will reproduce in print so just about any camera will work given you're using it in a proper manner. Nothing I love more than getting a 1x2, 72dpi photo in an e-mail then getting a call the next day as to why it wasn't in the paper. The answer is all the same, it would look like an image from an Atari in print, but I digress.
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...Nothing I love more than getting a 1x2, 72dpi photo in an e-mail then getting a call the next day as to why it wasn't in the paper. The answer is all the same, it would look like an image from an Atari in print, but I digress.
or when people embed an image into powerpoint, compress it, throw away the original image, because this new .ppt file is so much smaller and looks just as good on the screen, then want the image to be blown up for a poster. :curse: I rough ridin' hate powerpoint. and old people.
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I hear you guys on this one. I have to put together a lot of marketing boards. I ask for a logo. What do I get? The jpeg off their website. Not an eps, gif, or any other acceptable image.
Anyways, I went ahead and picked up the Rebel XS. I figure I'll used the kit lens for a while to learn the camera. After that, I'll decide what path to go down. I have a trip to Yellowstone here in a couple weeks. I'll let you guys know what I come up with.
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Sorta OT, but eff it: I've always wanted to take like a month one summer and visit all the fields in the Cape Cod league. Sports Illustrated did an awesome article about them about 10 years ago and the pictures were incredible. I kinda figured I would take my own pics and frame some of the good ones for my man cave. Is that something a novice can even do, or should I just forget about the framing part now and just save them digitally in hopes that I can bore future guests with a slide show?
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Also, I have a buddy that is huge into the outdoors but just takes pictures, rather than hunting. Dude has had several pics published (?) in some fairly major magazines. Anyway, dude rough ridin' loves Yellowstone. He goes like twice a year, winter and summer. The wildlife and scenery make for some incredible photos.
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Also, I have a buddy that is huge into the outdoors but just takes pictures, rather than hunting. Dude has had several pics published (?) in some fairly major magazines. Anyway, dude rough ridin' loves Yellowstone. He goes like twice a year, winter and summer. The wildlife and scenery make for some incredible photos.
Thanks for really helping me focus on work this week. Just what I needed.
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Also, I have a buddy that is huge into the outdoors but just takes pictures, rather than hunting. Dude has had several pics published (?) in some fairly major magazines. Anyway, dude fracking loves Yellowstone. He goes like twice a year, winter and summer. The wildlife and scenery make for some incredible photos.
Honestly, this is the guy to ask about shooting sports. Sports shooting is similar to wildlife shooting in that it takes big time $$ and proper technique to do it right. Besides that, a lot of venues frown upon you bringing in big bulky camera gear. Looking at the Cape Cod website, it appears that they have a licensing deal with a photography outfit. Chances are those dudes will get all pissy with you if they see you with a big ol' camera.
But if you're really interested, the best thing to do would be to go to a little league and start taking pictures with what you've got and see how you like them. If you have specific questions after that you can ask those and go from there.
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Thinking that taking pics at a little league game may land me in jail or, at least, get my ass kicked. But I see where you're going with this.
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Thinking that taking pics at a little league game may land me in jail or, at least, get my ass kicked. But I see where you're going with this.
If you just tell people the truth, they're usually pretty cool about you taking their, or even their kid's, picture.
As long as you don't have a full beard.
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As for the main which camera to buy question, the fact of the matter is that any, and I do mean any, DSLR that you can buy new is perfectly capable of taking stunning 12"x18" (biggest size I can get at CostCo) or 13"x19" (biggest size you can print on a consumer photo printer). Yes, some have better high ISO performance, and some have better auto focus, etc, but for now that's really beside the point. So what you need to do is figure out two things. What lenses/flashes/accessories do you want to go with your camera, and which camera feels right in your hand/has a control layout that makes sense to you.
And because no one else has mentioned them (or at least I got lazy and didn't read it), you might want to take a look at the micro 4/3 from Olympus and Panasonic and the Sony NEX cameras. They are mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras that give you some of the benefits of DSLRs while not giving you all of the bulk.
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You guys are gonna hate me. Bing Cash Back (google it if you don't know what it is) for Best Buy just hit 20%. I was able to return my Rebel. I picked up the Rebel plus the telephoto lens for $480.
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If you guys want a bunch of scenic pictures of the KU campus, you should talk to Ben.
I mean, taking pictures of anything else is a waste.
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You guys are gonna hate me. Bing Cash Back (google it if you don't know what it is) for Best Buy just hit 20%. I was able to return my Rebel. I picked up the Rebel plus the telephoto lens for $480.
Good timing, bing cash back is being discontinued I believe in July (you still have 12 months to get your cash back rewards though).
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You guys are gonna hate me. Bing Cash Back (google it if you don't know what it is) for Best Buy just hit 20%. I was able to return my Rebel. I picked up the Rebel plus the telephoto lens for $480.
Good timing, bing cash back is being discontinued I believe in July (you still have 12 months to get your cash back rewards though).
Yeah, July 30th. They're going all out right now. HP is at 25%. A few other smaller places around 40-50%.
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Seriously looking at buying a Canon Rebel T2i.
Does anyone have one? Thoughts?
I'm needing a decent "starter" type zoom lens also.
Also, has anyone purchased something like this off of eBay?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Canon-EOS-T2i-550D-Digital-Rebel-2-LENS-16GB-New-Kit-/300483606323?pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item45f637f733
Giant kit with lots of extras...just a little weary.
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One kind of photography thread are you losers running here with one freaking photo in it? JFC. :clack:
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Seriously looking at buying a Canon Rebel T2i.
Does anyone have one? Thoughts?
I'm needing a decent "starter" type zoom lens also.
Also, has anyone purchased something like this off of eBay?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Canon-EOS-T2i-550D-Digital-Rebel-2-LENS-16GB-New-Kit-/300483606323?pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item45f637f733
Giant kit with lots of extras...just a little weary.
Friend has the T2i. Loves it. I looked at getting kits like that off ebay. It seems legit.
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buying a 7d in January after I cash in some vacation time at work. :excited:
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Most of the stuff in that kit (besides the camera and lenses) is garbage. You'd be better off buying here (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/688299-REG/Canon_EOS_Rebel_T2i_Digital.html), IMO.
As to what camera to buy, we've gotten to the point where you can make tremendous pictures with any new camera you happen to buy. Sure there are some things that one camera can do better than another, a feature here and there that one camera has that another doesn't, but the differences are minor enough that they don't matter all that much.
Go somewhere and hold the cameras. Look through the viewfinder. Figure out how to change the aperture, shutter speed, and iso settings. Make those changes while keeping the camera to your eye. Decide which camera feels better to you. Get that camera, Because this is where any real differences that exist show up. Then go out and start taking pictures.
Also, for Steve Dave, from the last couple of months:
(http://www.machafamily.org/Albums/Balloons/20100807_TopekaTripAustinBalloons_1_DTI_5271.JPG)
(http://www.machafamily.org/Albums/Florida/AnimalKingdom/slides/20100914_Florida_1_DTI_5703.JPG)
(http://www.machafamily.org/Albums/Florida/MagicKingdom/slides/20100915_Florida_2_DTI_6192.JPG)
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Most of the stuff in that kit (besides the camera and lenses) is garbage. You'd be better off buying here (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/688299-REG/Canon_EOS_Rebel_T2i_Digital.html), IMO.
As to what camera to buy, we've gotten to the point where you can make tremendous pictures with any new camera you happen to buy. Sure there are some things that one camera can do better than another, a feature here and there that one camera has that another doesn't, but the differences are minor enough that they don't matter all that much.
Go somewhere and hold the cameras. Look through the viewfinder. Figure out how to change the aperture, shutter speed, and iso settings. Make those changes while keeping the camera to your eye. Decide which camera feels better to you. Get that camera, Because this is where any real differences that exist show up. Then go out and start taking pictures.
Also, for Steve Dave, from the last couple of months:
(http://www.machafamily.org/Albums/Balloons/20100807_TopekaTripAustinBalloons_1_DTI_5271.JPG)
(http://www.machafamily.org/Albums/Florida/AnimalKingdom/slides/20100914_Florida_1_DTI_5703.JPG)
(http://www.machafamily.org/Albums/Florida/MagicKingdom/slides/20100915_Florida_2_DTI_6192.JPG)
Balloon Fiesta?? Did you get a delicious breakfast burrito and apple cider??
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Most of the stuff in that kit (besides the camera and lenses) is garbage. You'd be better off buying here (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/688299-REG/Canon_EOS_Rebel_T2i_Digital.html), IMO.
As to what camera to buy, we've gotten to the point where you can make tremendous pictures with any new camera you happen to buy. Sure there are some things that one camera can do better than another, a feature here and there that one camera has that another doesn't, but the differences are minor enough that they don't matter all that much.
Go somewhere and hold the cameras. Look through the viewfinder. Figure out how to change the aperture, shutter speed, and iso settings. Make those changes while keeping the camera to your eye. Decide which camera feels better to you. Get that camera, Because this is where any real differences that exist show up. Then go out and start taking pictures.
Thanks for the advice. I thought the other stuff (bag, tripods, etc) in that kit looked crappy, esp. since they don't list a brand for them (same thing for some lenses in some of their other kits)
Yes, B&H is awesome...spent lots of time at various websites checking out specs reviews, etc. I really like the 60D, but it's a little outside my price-range. I like the T2i also, but didn't feel quite as "camera-y" when I was testing it. Looks like the T2i is the winner for me.
Oh, and nice pics!
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Balloon Fiesta??
A launch over Lake Travis in Austin. Those d00ds like to get up early. :users:
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Bought myself an Olympus E-P1 a couple of weeks ago. Less than 2 years old, but got refurbed off Adorama. Finally found a price point I could handle, and clincher was being able to use the 5 Rokkor lenses I have for my Minolta SRT 101. $15 adapter off eBay and all that glass now works on the micro 4/3 mount.
No viewfinder, but haven't had much trouble using manual focus on the LCD so far as I've been testing it. Thing's built like a tank, too.
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Viewfinders are incredibly overrated on dslr's. you won't miss it.
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Bought myself an Olympus E-P1 a couple of weeks ago. Less than 2 years old, but got refurbed off Adorama. Finally found a price point I could handle, and clincher was being able to use the 5 Rokkor lenses I have for my Minolta SRT 101. $15 adapter off eBay and all that glass now works on the micro 4/3 mount.
No viewfinder, but haven't had much trouble using manual focus on the LCD so far as I've been testing it. Thing's built like a tank, too.
I've got three of these, I collect them like Buicks - very under rated camera. Bought an omega enlarger this winter and looking for sinks & time to build a dark room in my garage. Not in a hurry, just something I thought I'd kick around to teach my kids photography basics so they'll understand where photography came from instead of just the point & click that it's turning into.
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Bought myself an Olympus E-P1 a couple of weeks ago. Less than 2 years old, but got refurbed off Adorama. Finally found a price point I could handle, and clincher was being able to use the 5 Rokkor lenses I have for my Minolta SRT 101. $15 adapter off eBay and all that glass now works on the micro 4/3 mount.
No viewfinder, but haven't had much trouble using manual focus on the LCD so far as I've been testing it. Thing's built like a tank, too.
I've got three of these, I collect them like Buicks - very under rated camera. Bought an omega enlarger this winter and looking for sinks & time to build a dark room in my garage. Not in a hurry, just something I thought I'd kick around to teach my kids photography basics so they'll understand where photography came from instead of just the point & click that it's turning into.
Yeah. Great cameras. Built like tanks, learn to shoot on them and you can shoot with anything. The built in exposure meter (needle/loop) is fantastic for teaching/learning the interrelation between aperture, shutter speed and ISO. So excited that I can use the lenses with my new camera. I already like the quality I get with them better than the 14-42 zoom that came with the camera.
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Anybody bought any cameras lately?
Interesting Pentax announcement the other day...interchangeable lenses with a P&S-sized sensor. $800? Must be going for a non-USA market with that one...
New Panasonic and Olympus mu 4/3 arriving now/soon...
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i bought a canon s95, great point and shoot camera
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I got a Nikon D3100 in March. Love it, I just have the kit lens 18-55mm (for now).
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A few weeks ago I got my first non point and shoot camera. Canon Xti with kit lens. I like it, it takes WAY better pics than any P&S I've used, but there's a lot for me to learn before I can really know even half its capabilities. Got it used off ebay for $250. Seemed like a decent deal to me.
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A few weeks ago I got my first non point and shoot camera. Canon Xti with kit lens. I like it, it takes WAY better pics than any P&S I've used, but there's a lot for me to learn before I can really know even half its capabilities. Got it used off ebay for $250. Seemed like a decent deal to me.
That is a good deal. I loved my dslr, but I didn't have the time or money to keep it up, so I sold it.
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(http://www.digitalcamerareview.com/assets/23641.jpg)
(http://www.droiddog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/htc-evo-4g-camera.jpg)
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(http://www.digitalcamerareview.com/assets/23641.jpg)
Just bought two of these for work - very solid P&S camera for under $300
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(http://www.digitalcamerareview.com/assets/23641.jpg)
Just bought two of these for work - very solid P&S camera for under $300
What kind of job could you have that requires you to double-fist point & shoots?
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(http://www.droiddog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/htc-evo-4g-camera.jpg)
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http://www.lytro.com/
Click on an image and play around with it. Supposedly they aren't supposed to be too expensive when they come out.
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http://www.lytro.com/
Click on an image and play around with it. Supposedly they aren't supposed to be too expensive when they come out.
Thats pretty great.
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(http://www.digitalcamerareview.com/assets/23641.jpg)
Just bought two of these for work - very solid P&S camera for under $300
What kind of job could you have that requires you to double-fist point & shoots?
a place where we check out cameras to Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) employees that can't figure out how to take a picture unless there's a switch that says "Auto"
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Has anyone used one of these before?
http://store.sony.com/smartphone-attachable-lens-style-camera-zid27-DSCQX100/B/cat-27-catid-All-Cyber-shot-Q-Series-Cameras?_t=pfm%3Dcategory
Attaches to smart phone.
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you should talk to cyclist - he's into it.
i want a camera but just haven't dropped the coin yet, i will before this winter holiday season though.
i forgot about this thread.
update from a few years ago- i went with the 5D mark II and a 24-70 f/2.8L series lens
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(http://www.digitalcamerareview.com/assets/23641.jpg)
(http://www.droiddog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/htc-evo-4g-camera.jpg)
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(http://www.crutchfield.com.edgesuite.net/pix.crutchfield.com/ImageHandler/fixedscale/400/300/products/2012/6/280/x280SX260K-o_leftflash.jpeg)
(http://iserialized.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/LG_Optimus_G_thumbnail_1.jpg11beac32-b824-4372-96eb-897b6892c1e3Large.jpg)
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RIP 400mm lens murdered by OU thug.
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Hey look a tree!
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did you plant that?
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No, but his father planted that tree fity years ago to the day.
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i have a d3400 now :cool:
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Kit lens?
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duhhhh
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How's that compare with an iPhone?
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I have a D5300 and I just got a GH4. The GH4 is amazing for video. Still figuring out the best settings. I've never used a mirrorless camera before.
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How's that compare with an iPhone?
Making gains but still nowhere near Apple perfection.
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How's that compare with an iPhone?
Making gains but still nowhere near Apple perfection.
no camera can compare to the iphone grain
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x-post with CotC thread: photographing CotC up close requires aperture set to approx f/0.7
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What in the world kit lens is that fast?
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What in the world kit lens is that fast?
I don't think the 5 heart mom uses a kit lens
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yes this is chiefs related but my heavens sakes. pros are pros.
https://twitter.com/davidphotokc/status/912190167791812608
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Any photography dorks have a drone?
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Any photography dorks have a drone?
Not a big photography buff, but I do have a Parrot Bebob 2 video drone. I bought it to take aerial shots of our property to keep my Grandparents up to speed on all of our projects. They can't make the 20+ hr drive from KS to NC any more so this is a good substitute. The new model has 4K video and is built like the DJI Mavic (also cheaper last I checked)
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I have a drone and am trying to be more photography dorky with it. Here's a drotograph (that's what I call a drone photograph) of historic downtown St Joe MO from earlier this summer.
(https://i.ibb.co/Y8VpWmd/DJI-0081.jpg)
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Also lately I've been trying to make drone timelapses. Here's one of the MO River just north of historic downtown St Joe MO overlooking the Remington Nature Center. I've posted it in GIF form for your viewing pleasure.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/S3iLLF8l44uVYcPJ7N/giphy.gif)
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And while I'm photo dorking, here's a milky way photo I shot on Friday outside of a little town called Highland KS.
(https://i.ibb.co/3YGt6Bc/Milky-Way-Highland.jpg)
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Phil, thanks for the oppo to post about drone (and astro) photography. Why do you need a drone tho?
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And while I'm photo dorking, here's a milky way photo I shot on Friday outside of a little town called Highland KS.
(https://i.ibb.co/3YGt6Bc/Milky-Way-Highland.jpg)
:love: :love: :love:
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Very nice drotographs
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I don't need a drone but I bought a mavic air on prime day and trying to find reasons I need it and get better at videoing stuff.
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Sweet. I have a Phantom 3 Pro but I'd like to upgrade to a Mavic II within a year or so.
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I lived in highland Kansas for a year so this hits close to home
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It's super fun to just go out and fly but want to get better at actually doing some video stuff. My videos now look like I'm having a seizure.
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And while I'm photo dorking, here's a milky way photo I shot on Friday outside of a little town called Highland KS.
(https://i.ibb.co/3YGt6Bc/Milky-Way-Highland.jpg)
Speaking of drotography and Highland (not my pic but one of my faves)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190730/18c651feb3c5e19b4ff97a57e0ea0e98.jpg)
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Whoa :Wha:
Nazca Lines watch out there's a new sheriff in town
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It's super fun to just go out and fly but want to get better at actually doing some video stuff. My videos now look like I'm having a seizure.
Like they’re shaky? Mavic air video should very smooth with minimal effort. Unless you are jerking the controls around. You want to barely touch the controls when you are panning, changing direction, etc. also check out autonomous flight modes like “point of interest” “waypoints” “follow me” etc. The drone will basically fly itself based on how you set it up. That will take your shaky seizure hands out of the equation.
Lastly, if you want good looking drone video, it’s all about time of day. Within an hour or 2 of sunrise and sunset. A lot of dynamic range during these times which, with a little editing in post, can make your drone footage look amazing with bright brights and dark darks. Flying in bright sun or solid gray clouds in the middle of the day will never produce a great image no matter your flying expertise.
Also lastly, if you want really great images/video you’ll need some way to edit/color correct them. I use Adobe Lightroom for photos and adobe premiere pro or after effects for video. There are a lot of cheap (maybe some free?) options out there for editing/color correction.
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_33, can you make a cat vid with your drone? like football cats.
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It's super fun to just go out and fly but want to get better at actually doing some video stuff. My videos now look like I'm having a seizure.
Like they’re shaky? Mavic air video should very smooth with minimal effort. Unless you are jerking the controls around. You want to barely touch the controls when you are panning, changing direction, etc. also check out autonomous flight modes like “point of interest” “waypoints” “follow me” etc. The drone will basically fly itself based on how you set it up. That will take your shaky seizure hands out of the equation.
Lastly, if you want good looking drone video, it’s all about time of day. Within an hour or 2 of sunrise and sunset. A lot of dynamic range during these times which, with a little editing in post, can make your drone footage look amazing with bright brights and dark darks. Flying in bright sun or solid gray clouds in the middle of the day will never produce a great image no matter your flying expertise.
Also lastly, if you want really great images/video you’ll need some way to edit/color correct them. I use Adobe Lightroom for photos and adobe premiere pro or after effects for video. There are a lot of cheap (maybe some free?) options out there for editing/color correction.
Thanks! Yeah it's all from me jerking the controls at this point die to being new at the whole thing.
The AI flight modes are awesome.
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The automated authorization with LAANC for flying close to an airport is pretty awesome.
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Recently upgraded to the Mavic Air 2. I really like it. This is my first panorama I've done with it.
(https://i.redd.it/57l56elqknf51.jpg)
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@_33 where was this awesome photo taken? it kind of looks like topeka but there's no dome!
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I bought a tripod!
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Recently upgraded to the Mavic Air 2. I really like it. This is my first panorama I've done with it.
(https://i.redd.it/57l56elqknf51.jpg)
What did you have before the Mavic Air 2? Mavic Air 1?
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I bought my dad the mavic air (do t know if it was 1 or 2) for Christmas.
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@_33 where was this awesome photo taken? it kind of looks like topeka but there's no dome!
That is St Joe MO and the mighty MO river!
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Recently upgraded to the Mavic Air 2. I really like it. This is my first panorama I've done with it.
(https://i.redd.it/57l56elqknf51.jpg)
What did you have before the Mavic Air 2? Mavic Air 1?
Phantom 3 Adv
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Another pano, this time of a lake! $5,000 to the first person to name the lake. Just kidding, but try to name the lake if you want.
(https://i.ibb.co/prj2mp7/Mozingo-Pano5.jpg)
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Tuttle Creek Lake!
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Tuttle Creek Lake!
I wish. But no.
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Milford Lake
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El Dorado Lake
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Perry
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Perry
That's my guess too
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Nope, it's none of those. I probably should have just told you because it's probably a lake none of you have ever heard of.
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Pomona?
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It's Mozingo Lake. OK? Mozingo.
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Hmm....looked like Tuttle but w/e
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Just some corn fields and dirt road and stuff. Can you name this county? HINT: It's in the state of KANSAS.
(https://i.ibb.co/nDYxHmv/Corn-Field-Tower-Pano-final.jpg)
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Water tower ends in HAN, going with Doniphan
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Water tower ends in HAN, going with Doniphan
Damn. I didn't realize you could see the name on the water tower. Great job though cfbhandyman.
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would have guessed Doniphan without the hint, since 1) hills 2) right by where you live
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As a former resident of Doniphan County, I knew this without even resorting to cheating like old cfgoogleman
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Water tower ends in HAN, going with Doniphan
Damn. I didn't realize you could see the name on the water tower. Great job though cfbhandyman.
Luckily it was a very high res photo and you can blow is up ;) else I would've chosen Wabaunsee
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would have guessed Doniphan without the hint, since 1) hills 2) right by where you live
That's good deducing.
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As a former resident of Doniphan County, I knew this without even resorting to cheating like old cfgoogleman
Where did you live in the 'phan?
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I don’t think I believe that Doniphan county is a real place
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The quiet metropolis of highland, Kansas. Go scotties.
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I don’t think I believe that Doniphan county is a real place
It's not the Flint Hills, but the majestic farm covered Glacial Hills of Doniphan County KS provides some of the most beautiful scenery in the state. IMO.
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The quiet metropolis of highland, Kansas. Go scotties.
Nice, I went to a game there one time and Butler beat them 89-0.
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Lucky you caught a close one :surprised:
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Clinton Lake
Tom
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