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General Discussion => Essentially Flyertalk => Topic started by: Trim on October 01, 2019, 03:11:27 PM
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I couldn't find the home maintenance/care thread and it wouldn't matter anyway b/c I've never read it to know if this is covered.
I finally committed to one of these things this year. Some dipshit in my stack was putting the stuff that fresh food is packed with down their drain, backed up the pipe and caused water in mine. I didn't think it was that bad, but it's going to end up having me replacing the entire floor except for the carpeted bedroom and one tiled bathroom, plus all the cabinetry, countertops and backsplash. Basically, with the water having touched the wood floor and the island that is cabinet material, everything of that material has to be replaced b/c they can't match it.
Anyway, the floors were engineered wood. I can replace it with like-quality engineered wood, but I'm leaning towards getting slightly less expensive luxury vinyl for practical purposes and having more flexibility if more crap happens in the future. I'll utilize the price difference in upgrading the other stuff. Smart? Dumb?
Assuming that's the move, anyone know anything about vinyl flooring? I can't find crap online that clearly says what the "best" one is, and the guy at the store was telling me they're all pretty much the same and that the price differences are in how good the graphics are, which seemed like bullshit. Surely there are different levels of quality in the construction of the floor material itself, right?
It seemed like there's good designs/colors in every brand and sub-type. I want to know the best floor type/brand/model first and then select the design/color out of that field.
What's the best flooring? Within the LV world, I think there's no max price I'm limited by because it's all cheaper than what it would be to get engineered wood.
After the flooring is settled on, this thread will move on to cabinetry, counters and backsplash. T-Y.
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I think you definitely want the click together over the stick down, even with someone else installing it.
I haven't ever really dealt with this stuff but the graphics being the only real price difference checks out in my brain. Maybe some brands have a thicker wear layer? That might be something to explore :dunno:
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Some quick research says the floorte line from shaw is pretty great. Thicker planks and thicker wear layers, plus other stuff. Basically top of the line. Floorte pro is the commercial line and even more durable, but probably overkill.
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I think you definitely want the click together over the stick down, even with someone else installing it.
I haven't ever really dealt with this stuff but the graphics being the only real price difference checks out in my brain. Maybe some brands have a thicker wear layer? That might be something to explore :dunno:
Yes, I've been eliminating the ones that are glue-down.
I think it's weird that there's no chart that lists the brands/models and then has a thing of what features each has, with the higher-end ones having more features whatever they are. I can't even find that within a brand just to distinguish their models.
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I redid my bathroom floor last year with "luxury vinyl". It's very water resistant so it's a good choice for bathrooms and kitchens.
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Some quick research says the floorte line from shaw is pretty great. Thicker planks and thicker wear layers, plus other stuff. Basically top of the line. Floorte pro is the commercial line and even more durable, but probably overkill.
The samples I took home were Mannington's AduraMaxAPEX and COREtec's Pro Plus Enhanced. I grabbed those b/c they were the most expensive at the shop so I assumed they were the best. Looking online, it seems they're not necessarily the most expensive.
I don't remember seeing Shaw Floorte at the shop, but that's not a deal-breaker. I was just hoping to get it all at this one big shop that had all the various things so I could match them up under one roof. The shop that sells Shaw is on the way so I'll check it out when I'm returning these samples tomorrow.
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I redid my bathroom floor last year with "luxury vinyl". It's very water resistant so it's a good choice for bathrooms and kitchens.
This is for a open floor plan, so it'll be the floor for a half-bathroom with laundry, the kitchen, the dining room, the living room and my office.
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I redid my bathroom floor last year with "luxury vinyl". It's very water resistant so it's a good choice for bathrooms and kitchens.
This is for a open floor plan, so it'll be the floor for a half-bathroom with laundry, the kitchen, the dining room, the living room and my office.
Ah gotcha. Sounds like luxury vinyl is the way to go. I installed it myself, and I'm an idiot so you know it's not that difficult. However that was just for a bathroom and not a much larger area like you have so that might be worth hiring someone for the install.
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I redid my bathroom floor last year with "luxury vinyl". It's very water resistant so it's a good choice for bathrooms and kitchens.
This is for a open floor plan, so it'll be the floor for a half-bathroom with laundry, the kitchen, the dining room, the living room and my office.
Ah gotcha. Sounds like luxury vinyl is the way to go. I installed it myself, and I'm an idiot so you know it's not that difficult. However that was just for a bathroom and not a much larger area like you have so that might be worth hiring someone for the install.
For sure, I'm not doing crap. I'll be at a nearby extended stay hotel coming by once in a while and eyeball'n all the work and saying something that makes it seem like I'm contributing.
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Of the ones I took home, these are the color/styles I liked:
https://www.mannington.com/Residential/Adura-Vinyl-Plank/AduraMaxApex/AduraMaxApex/Hampton/APX090
https://coretecfloors.com/en-us/products/coretec-pro-plus-enhanced-tiles/wexford-vv493-02075
That Coretec photo sucks. Those 2 are much closer in color than they appear online, with the Adura one matching irl what you see on the screen. I like the Adura color b/c there's no slight brown tint at all; it's completely on the gray/silver spectrum.
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I ripped out the carpet in our basement and plan on replacing it with tile that looks like wood flooring. Seems like it is similar to what you are looking at. I may need to take a look at the vinyl stuff as the pictures make it seem pretty great.
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what this thread needs is for Trim to diy
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I ripped out the carpet in our basement and plan on replacing it with tile that looks like wood flooring. Seems like it is similar to what you are looking at. I may need to take a look at the vinyl stuff as the pictures make it seem pretty great.
I might have room now for my couch. Fax it on up here.
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what this thread needs is for Trim to diy
Lol, I just had a conversation yesterday on an unrelated matter about paying for what others are good at.
I've been DIY'n the crap out of the hot chicken place that's in the same 'hood as the shop I keep having to go to.
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I've considered the tile that looks like wood floors due to potential water issues from my neighbors.
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What's this tile that looks like wood floors and what's the difference between that and the "luxury vinyl tile" I'm talking about?
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Just did my entire basement and one upstairs bathroom with vinyl plank flooring. Probably not luxury though because it was pretty cheap at Home Depot. Click lock, floating. I think it looks good. Way better than the gross, stained carpet that had been down there for probably 200 years.
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I think all vinyl is luxury vinyl. I see one on home depot right now called luxury for $1.79/sq ft.
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I took a sample of this home and like it in theory but tend to think it flies too close to the sun for my whole place. The ones that look like wood pass off as wood. This tries to pass off as marble (?), but would obviously not be. :dunno:
https://coretecfloors.com/en-us/products/coretec-plus-tile/cardinal-stone-vv032-00111
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I'm not familiar with vinyl. So, my first question is how long the product has been around. If only a couple years, I'd be leery. If longer, I'd read reviews to see if there are any common issues that people are having.
Beyond that, it might make selling your house harder if lots of people think it's a cheap finish.
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I'm not familiar with vinyl. So, my first question is how long the product has been around. If only a couple years, I'd be leery. If longer, I'd read reviews to see if there are any common issues that people are having.
Beyond that, it might make selling your house harder if lots of people think it's a cheap finish.
Here’s some stuff:
https://www.principiaconsulting.com/revitalizing-the-product-life-cycle-3-lessons-learned-from-luxury-vinyl-tile-flooring/
https://www.thespruce.com/how-does-luxury-vinyl-flooring-differ-from-standard-vinyl-4119903
When I first went to the shop, the people there were giving me a shitload of reasons why luxury vinyl is better than wood. I asked what the pro of wood is then and it was basically that it’s really important to some to say they have wood floors. So I guess that’s where the resell factor comes in. Not sure it’s worth it to me if the vinyl will be so much more practical, and conceivably would be replaced again if the dumbfucks keep pouring weird shot down their drain.
The place that I saw that sells the Shaw floors is a floor-only shop. Maybe they’ll have a pro there who can educate me on any reason to get wood again over vinyl and assuming there isn’t anyway, what the best vinyl (or anything else) there is.
My current thought on the resell is even if my new floor is less prestigious than the old floor, any money saved there is going towards upgrading everything else, so it should be a wash. :dunno:
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What’s mumped is before all this, I didn’t care. I actually assumed the floors were luxury vinyl (that’s what my bud said after we scratched the floor and looked up a scratch remover on amazon), only to find it was wood once the workers sawed it up. Same with the cabinets, I’d never noticed that the tops and bottoms were mismatched shaker or slab or whatever. It was all fine by me.
Now that I have to pick all the stuff and live with it for a while and then sell it, it’s a major life decision.
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After I recover from this surgery were putting new flooring in too. We're going with clicking wood laminate. You easiest to install, durable, and most importantly with three kids and two aging pets, waterproof.
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Wood looking ceramic tile. Not classified as luxury though
https://www.flooranddecor.com/wood-look-plank-tile
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Wood looking ceramic tile. Not classified as luxury though
https://www.flooranddecor.com/wood-look-plank-tile
Not vinyl.
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When we moved into our house we had wood laminate. We had three dogs at the time, and their running around would scratch through the top layer, and it looked like crap. It was pretty cheap stuff so maybe not applicable to all.
We replaced that with bamboo flooring about eight years ago when a press fit hose popped off on our washing machine and ruined all of it. We were planning to replace it anyway, so it turned out okay. That stuff was pretty good. Very tough, decent price, and it was attractive. I liked it.
Earlier this summer, the hose from the wall to the refrigerator ice machine developed a slow leak that didn't notice for some ridiculously long amount of time. It dripped down the wall behind the fridge and went under the flooring, and sat there for who knows how long, until discoloration started showing up in the seams of the floor.
So we replaced that with wood look porcelain tile. We considered vinyl planks, but tile is supposed to be more durable and won't fade over time. While the vinyl planks are basically waterproof, there is a chance for water to seep through to the sub-floor if there is any gaping in the floor. Tile is less likely to have that problem, and I don't want to deal with water damage to these dumb floors ever again.
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There should be one of these for each type of flooring material and pro/con of each, and then the same for each brand and model within each flooring type.
(https://www.edrawsoft.com/template/feature-comparison-chart.png)
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Better than vinyl. Even luxury
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Got a bit more educated at a different shop. Definitely going w/LVF. Confirmed the only benefit to getting engineered wood is that some insist on having wood just to say they have wood, but that mindset has dwindled. Also, I'd only have engineered wood, not WOOD wood, so the same dwindling people might turn their nose up at that anyway.
And within LVF at the higher ends, the price difference is solely in how detailed the graphics and feel is and thus what went into creating it, not in how it performs or anything.
So now I've got a much narrower field to select from, but I still hate having to pick and commit.
Suggest your favorite grays from these, leaning towards what goes with black contemporary cabinetry/furniture.
https://www.mannington.com/Residential/Adura-Vinyl-Plank/AduraMaxApex
https://shawfloors.com/flooring/vinyl
https://coretecfloors.com/en-us/products
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We're putting in new flooring in our bathroom right now. It was supposed to go down today but the flooring guy said he has jury duty all next week and wouldn't be able to finish it (yeah right). We have to find a different handyman, whatever. Anyway, the one we chose is almost identical to the first one in your list. Ours is glue down and in hind sight we would have gone with the more waterproof click-style but we picked this stuff out a long time ago. Just been sitting waiting for us to have it installed. I vote for the AduraMax stuff.
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Got a bit more educated at a different shop. Definitely going w/LVF. Confirmed the only benefit to getting engineered wood is that some insist on having wood just to say they have wood, but that mindset has dwindled. Also, I'd only have engineered wood, not WOOD wood, so the same dwindling people might turn their nose up at that anyway.
And within LVF at the higher ends, the price difference is solely in how detailed the graphics and feel is and thus what went into creating it, not in how it performs or anything.
So now I've got a much narrower field to select from, but I still hate having to pick and commit.
Suggest your favorite grays from these, leaning towards what goes with black contemporary cabinetry/furniture.
https://www.mannington.com/Residential/Adura-Vinyl-Plank/AduraMaxApex
https://shawfloors.com/flooring/vinyl
https://coretecfloors.com/en-us/products
I don't think I can do vinyl. Too many stigmas. Did you ask these people about tile wood looking stuff?
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What stigma?
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We're putting in new flooring in our bathroom right now. It was supposed to go down today but the flooring guy said he has jury duty all next week and wouldn't be able to finish it (yeah right). We have to find a different handyman, whatever. Anyway, the one we chose is almost identical to the first one in your list. Ours is glue down and in hind sight we would have gone with the more waterproof click-style but we picked this stuff out a long time ago. Just been sitting waiting for us to have it installed. I vote for the AduraMax stuff.
Hey, I just came back from the floor-specific place and am 90% settled on that gray "driftwood" aduramaxAPEX! It's the only one that has the complete lack of any brown/barn tinge to it at all.
Going back to the all-encompassing place tomorrow morning to do one last compare to the "wexford" and then picking out the cabinetry, counters and backsplash, and then down the street for nashville hot chicken and waffles again.
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I don't think I can do vinyl. Too many stigmas. Did you ask these people about tile wood looking stuff?
Yes, confirmed garbage.
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I don't think I can do vinyl. Too many stigmas. Did you ask these people about tile wood looking stuff?
Yes, confirmed garbage.
Thanks!
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What stigma?
Vinyl flooring is right up there with Formica countertops right?
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If not for the risk of having a fat lady sit on me the whole flight, I'd fly to kc right now and get a lvf sample from the store there and crack it (just like wood) on Phil’s skull.
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If not for the risk of having a fat lady sit on me the whole flight, I'd fly to kc right now and get a lvf sample from the store there and crack it (just like wood) on Phil’s skull.
Flying to KC that is a high probability.
I'll go check them out myself and crack myself on my own noggin when proven wrong. I'm more talking the stigma than modern realities though.
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Do you think we’re talking about this?
(https://contentgrid.homedepot-static.com/hdus/en_US/DTCCOMNEW/fetch/Category_Pages/Flooring/Vinyl_Flooring/Sheet-Vinyl.jpg)
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Do you think we’re talking about this?
(https://contentgrid.homedepot-static.com/hdus/en_US/DTCCOMNEW/fetch/Category_Pages/Flooring/Vinyl_Flooring/Sheet-Vinyl.jpg)
No I think if I told people that was my flooring that is what they would think of (and buyers of my place)
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Do you think we’re talking about this?
(https://contentgrid.homedepot-static.com/hdus/en_US/DTCCOMNEW/fetch/Category_Pages/Flooring/Vinyl_Flooring/Sheet-Vinyl.jpg)
No I think if I told people that was my flooring that is what they would think of (and buyers of my place)
Good, now I know the floor I'm getting will have the added benefit of being a dumbass filter when it comes time to selling.
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If I can confirm this is gray enough, thoughts?
(https://embed.widencdn.net/img/shawfloors/qlacm0lvdt/768x569px/VV497-00790-evp-vinyl-flooring-roomscene.jpeg)
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I like the pattern.
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That herringBONE wasn't in either store for me to see if it was gray enough, and I decided it would be too headache-inducing across my whole place.
I'm down to 3.
https://www.mannington.com/Residential/Adura-Vinyl-Plank/AduraMaxApex/AduraMaxApex/Hampton/APX090 - This is the one I consistently pick out every time I'm looking because it's such a consistent true gray, but it doesn't have as great of feel-to-graphics compared to the others though, and may be more obviously "not wood."
https://coretecfloors.com/en-us/products/coretec-plus-hd/mont-blanc-driftwood-vv031-00652 - this one has the same color name as above, and from far away looks about the same gray-wise, but obviously has more variance in it between white and black. It's the highest-quality (most expensive?) and might be the most flexible/attractive both for anything I could pair it with and for future buyers.
http://www.maslandcarpets.com/forms/LVTDetail.aspx?prodtype=lvt&sId=P2218&cId=Cape%20Cod - just discovered this one today, and it's a bit different. Darker, more brown elements to it, but I still like the overall look. It would be much more distinctive and attention-grabbing, and in turn I'd need to be much more basic on countertops, and definitely would need to stay matte on cabinetry. It may even force me to change off black cabinets entirely due to being darker. This one makes a big deal about being great for pets, but my dog wouldn't necessarily take advantage of it. She's used to slick floors and would never dare piss or crap inside, but maybe it'd be helpful as she gets older.
Thoughts?
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As a veteran of hundreds of thousands of dollars in remodeling I have the correct answer here. You are about to throw your money down the drain but I will not tell you why because you are a bad person that has not made amends with Wackycat
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None of this has happened yet; still fighting w/the HOA about things. But getting closer.
Turns out I'm not going to get the difference in value between the awesome wood floor I had vs. LVF I was thinking I'd put in, in the form of cash. I also don't need it to upgrade other materials because I griped so much that the insurance adjuster authorized the expensive stuff I wanted as to cabinets, counters, etc.
So now it's do I get expensive engineered wood floor to maintain the same value I had, or get the probably more practical LVF and eat the value loss and hope it's made up for by less necessary care/maintenance?
This was the LVF I'd settled on last go-around: https://coretecfloors.com/en-us/products/coretec-plus-hd/mont-blanc-driftwood-vv031-00652
This is the wood that I think looks awesome: https://www.kahrs.com/en-US/wood-floors/black-silver
For that black/silver wood, I'd get light/white cabinetry, counters, etc. Walls are already shades of gray.
How much of a bitch is it to take care of nice wood floors like that and is the LVF more sensible for that reason, even if it means some prospective buyers might think less of my place one day?
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Also, the mystery of what I had was solved, it was this: https://www.kahrs.com/en-US/wood-floors/walnut-montreal
The black/silver is much shinier and glossier.
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Our wood floor takes a beating from the doggos. At some point, we will have to sand and refinish it.
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Our wood floor takes a beating from the doggos. At some point, we will have to sand and refinish it.
Like, from them scratching it, or just because there's multiples of 4 extra legs walking around all the time?
Is eventually having to sand/refinish something I can avoid by doing relatively routine care/maintenance, i.e. paying a housecleaner to do it?
Here's the page with more specs on it: https://www.kahrsflooring.com/en-US/wood/black-silver
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It's mostly from their claws when they are chasing balls or playing with each other. I'm not sure if the darker color will be better or worse. Ours is a light oak. That looks like commercial stuff so it may be a bit more resilient than what we have. At our old crib, I installed Pergo laminate and didn't notice any wear over the 4 years or so it was down.
In our case, we will probably just lightly sand and refinish to keep some of the imperfections in it so it has a distressed look to it. We just spent a eff-ton on windows and doors so that project along with the kitchen remodel will probably be quite a few years down the road.
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Do the "order sample" button on here and have them send you a piece of it so you can see and feel what I'm doing a shitty job of describing as far as how slick and glossy it is. https://www.kahrsflooring.com/en-US/wood/black-silver
I think it's free. If not, PM me your address again and I'll have one sent to you.
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The new house had bamboo installed, I love it.
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I want to spend $10.67/sq.ft on this because that’s what my old stuff was valued at and I don’t get any money for getting anything less.
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New leader: https://hallmarkfloors.com/product/onyx-oak-hardwood/ It's brand new so the place has to order me a sample as the manufacturer didn't even have one to spare when she showed it to them yesterday.
That glossy Kahrs was gonna get mumped up too easily, and I don't think any practicalities of the LVF are going to justify me not getting the money for the value difference.
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Wow. That's amazing. You must be floored.
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That Hallmark Onyx floor is the winner.
Now, I'd intended to get black cabinets, but won't with a black floor. I'm going to match them up to the creamy white that's on all of the trim, doors, etc. both in my place and in the building.
What should I be looking for in terms of material and manufacturers?
I'll be checking out this specific stuff later today, but it's a good example of general options. I've gathered I may be wanting some mdf and some maple - maple for the bigger structural parts and mdf for the smaller parts and/or things next to water/appliances. Am I wrong? Are there brands or specifications I should be looking for within each?
https://www.lectuscabinets.com/products/painted-mdf/
Style-wise, I'm leaning towards "slab" to keep it simple, or maybe the most basic "flat." My regular room and closet doors have a "raised" design, but I think I'd be flying to close to the sun getting something similar but not quite matching.
Counters - 3cm quartz, right? I'm thinking something gray/concrete-looking, or black. Tips?
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Counters - 3cm quartz, right? I'm thinking something gray/concrete-looking, or black. Tips?
are you looking at a honed or polished finish?
i've been planning on granite since forever, but lately have been thinking more about quartz. in either material, i'm leaning towards 2 cm, seems cleaner and more modernish (i don't normally like modern things, though).
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Counters - 3cm quartz, right? I'm thinking something gray/concrete-looking, or black. Tips?
are you looking at a honed or polished finish?
i've been planning on granite since forever, but lately have been thinking more about quartz. in either material, i'm leaning towards 2 cm, seems cleaner and more modernish (i don't normally like modern things, though).
I picked this, and specified I wanted 3cm. Coordinating black backsplash.
https://pentalquartz.com/products/concreto-honed/
For cabinets, I picked this in the vero series and alabaster color that will match all the off-white already in my place: https://www.bellmontcabinets.com/galleries/door-gallery/door-details.html&door_details=Seaside&door_series=VERO%20Series
Now we'll see how much pushback I get.
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very modern.
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This crap's finally happening, like all the stuff is bought and at warehouses in town and I've got installation booked.
Floor: https://shawfloors.com/flooring/vinyl/details/titan-hd-plus-2002v/guardian-oak
Counter: https://www.cosentino.com/usa/colors/dekton/soke/
Cabinets: Basic ones from Lowe's, white chocolate color to match the doors and trim I'm stuck with in the building.
Got all new appliances to put in while this is all happening.
Aside from getting all my crap and myself into my neighbor's unit he's renting out, I need to buy a new kitchen faucet. I think the only parameter is "single hole" as far as the main thing that the water comes up from, but the guy said I can find ones that will also have soap dispensers and other crap and that the counter people will cut the holes in to match.
So let's talk kitchen faucets! And by that I mean post the best one I should get.
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That black floor is going to be aids with you having a dog. Get a good Roomba. I say get a good one because I thought spending $400 on one would have gotten me a good one and I was very wrong.
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That black floor is going to be aids with you having a dog. Get a good Roomba. I say get a good one because I thought spending $400 on one would have gotten me a good one and I was very wrong.
The roomba would terrorize the dog. I’ve got a broom and a polka-dot vacuum and will get a cleaning service.
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:dunno:
https://www.amazon.com/Single-Handle-Technology-Magnetic-Stainless-9159T-AR-DST/dp/B0062OF80K?th=1
https://www.amazon.com/Delta-RP100734AR-RP100734-Trinsic-Dispenser/dp/B082TLT57Z/
Looks like it's required here that I get one of these things too: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Delta-Classic-Kitchen-Air-Gap-in-Arctic-Stainless-72020-AR/202813385
Any other stuff I should be looking at that would be drilled into/through the counter?
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Close to done with all this.
Gooch and I busted one of the feet of my pub table back when I first moved here, and I've exhausted everything I can do to replace it and get it back perfect, so I'm going to replace it and get one that has a bigger table surface. This thing is effectively my "dining room" table.
Closest to what I've had:
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1871/5207/products/L216KnsasS_grande.jpg?v=1601304125)
Others they have now:
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1871/5207/products/L217CHKnsasS_grande.jpg?v=1601552638)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1871/5207/products/L214CHKnsasS_grande.jpg?v=1600697902)
Nothing's changed as far as the stools I have and that they still sell, which has me leaning toward going with the top one and that matches the stools better. Thoughts?
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1871/5207/products/L7C1KnsasS_grande.jpg?v=1600348588) (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1871/5207/products/L7C4KnsasS_grande.jpg?v=1600354448)
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i'm trying to talk myself either into or out of finally going ahead and replacing the cabinets and counter. anyone know if the people that do these are still completely swamped and charging prices accordingly or if things have calmed down a bit?
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i'm trying to talk myself either into or out of finally going ahead and replacing the cabinets and counter. anyone know if the people that do these are still completely swamped and charging prices accordingly or if things have calmed down a bit?
I didn't find it delayed much or marked up. I actually had to push out getting the cabinets done because getting all the stuff in was in such flux, I didn't want to schedule installation before actually having the things, and then I was jammed up getting moved out in time.
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that's encouraging.
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that's encouraging.
It was kind of a clusterfuck how I even had to find out. I'd had a contractor for over a year lined up to do everything except the counters, and by the time I finished whipping ass to get my money and got a date for the cabinets to come in, he'd double-booked himself and gotten COVID. I had to hustle to line up different people to do each thing, but it probably worked out better and getting specialists for each.
For those dekton counters I got, it's not even an option to line someone up. The company sends a guy out to laser measure everything and their own people come in with the counters all precise and affix them to the new cabinetry.
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For those dekton counters I got, it's not even an option to line someone up. The company sends a guy out to laser measure everything and their own people come in with the counters all precise and affix them to the new cabinetry.
that's kind of a negative. i'd much rather just deal with one person doing both the cabinets and counter (and plumbing and whatnot).
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For those dekton counters I got, it's not even an option to line someone up. The company sends a guy out to laser measure everything and their own people come in with the counters all precise and affix them to the new cabinetry.
that's kind of a negative. i'd much rather just deal with one person doing both the cabinets and counter (and plumbing and whatnot).
Oh yeah, having to coordinate all those people and schedules sucked. But in hindsight, I don't think my original one person would've done each piece as well as it turned out.