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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: steve dave on September 15, 2019, 06:18:50 PM
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Early results point to yes
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Very good at writing slanted thank you notes IMO
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His poor understanding of the spread/air raid offense was infuriating. It's like a phone scam designed to trick old people, and he fell for it every time. :frown:
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He was very close to a sure bet to lose to a higher ranked team. Damn, I could have made a lot of money on that fact. :facepalm:
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He held himself to just12 Goals.
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Kiss the rings
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At the end, yeah. For the most part? Nah, he was p great imo.
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That’s why a piece of art commemorating 1.0 is so valuable.
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everything that made him great in 1.0 he didn't do in 2.0. he made 2.0 all about him, making money, and making sure his buds got paid too.
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How about looking forward instead of kicking someone who's gone?
Even if you can't or won't, how about at least acknowledging that in all probability, we couldn't find anyone to take the job when HCBS was first hired so in that regard, he was the right man for the job and with out that hire, we'd be lucky to even have a football team let alone have one that would have led to what we potentially have today.
Kind of along the same lines as all those people that hollered and screamed about what a piss poor hire we'd made to replace HCBS and even went so far as to say they wouldn't be renewing their season tickets. Kind of like the people threatening to move to Canada in 2016. Bet the numbers are about the same - 0.
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How about looking forward instead of kicking someone who's gone?
Even if you can't or won't, how about at least acknowledging that in all probability, we couldn't find anyone to take the job when HCBS was first hired so in that regard, he was the right man for the job and with out that hire, we'd be lucky to even have a football team let alone have one that would have led to what we potentially have today.
Kind of along the same lines as all those people that hollered and screamed about what a piss poor hire we'd made to replace HCBS and even went so far as to say they wouldn't be renewing their season tickets. Kind of like the people threatening to move to Canada in 2016. Bet the numbers are about the same - 0.
great post
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people who get super defensive when people call out snyder's coaching the last couple years is a great litmus test for k-state karl tucks
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people who get super defensive when people call out snyder's coaching the last couple years is a great litmus test for k-state karl tucks
YOUR FACE IS A GREAT LITMUS TEST FOR A K-STATE KARL TUCK! :curse:
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relax, it's monday
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people who get super defensive when people call out snyder's coaching the last couple years is a great litmus test for k-state karl tucks
No one was being defensive, let alone super defensive.
It's jus too easy to look backwards and be critical of someone or something that's no longer there. Apparently for some it's also way too difficult to look forward and either acknowledge the success of someone or something or worst case, just let it go and again, look forward to the future which is, at least at this point (or about 197ish wins from any type of fair comparison), apparently pretty damn positive looking.
But I guess someone's got to drink the Kool-Aid in order for the glass to half empty.
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Bill who?
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Bill 1.0 was amazing......guess you had to be there.
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people who get super defensive when people call out snyder's coaching the last couple years is a great litmus test for k-state karl tucks
No one was being defensive, let alone super defensive.
It's jus too easy to look backwards and be critical of someone or something that's no longer there. Apparently for some it's also way too difficult to look forward and either acknowledge the success of someone or something or worst case, just let it go and again, look forward to the future which is, at least at this point (or about 197ish wins from any type of fair comparison), apparently pretty damn positive looking.
But I guess someone's got to drink the Kool-Aid in order for the glass to half empty.
there's plenty of people on twitter that get super butthurt when a former player just tweets something like "sure makes a difference when the players are allowed to have fun"
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It enrages them
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By the end K-State had a bunch of grumpy Snyderites on the staff and a grumpy old football coach just hanging on out of hope his son would be installed as the next coach.
The wholesale clean-out of the staff, except for Klein was long overdue.
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Amazing that it took the catastrophic event of KSU losing to flood aggie for the first time in history for his ass to be canned.
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I enjoyed the vast majority of LHOFCBS's tenure at K-State. Lot of good times. I'm not a tuck, but I found it strange how angry, and frankly cruel, a lot of cat fans were during the last year or so of Snyder's tenure, as well as during the coaching search. Made little sense to me. Guy held on a year or two too long. Not unheard of for competitive people like coach. I don't think someone who coached for 27 years should be judged on the performance of just a few of those, anymore than a new coach should be judged based on the performance of 3 games.
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I enjoyed the vast majority of LHOFCBS's tenure at K-State. Lot of good times. I'm not a tuck, but I found it strange how angry, and frankly cruel, a lot of cat fans were during the last year or so of Snyder's tenure, as well as during the coaching search. Made little sense to me. Guy held on a year or two too long. Not unheard of for competitive people like coach. I don't think someone who coached for 27 years should be judged on the performance of just a few of those, anymore than a new coach should be judged based on the performance of 3 games.
Come on bro, anyone with a brain knew what was going on and it was well beyond just a coach hanging on too long . . . there was an agenda behind the hanging on.
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JUDGED
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losing to iowa state literally blew his mind
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people who get super defensive when people call out snyder's coaching the last couple years is a great litmus test for k-state karl tucks
I feel personally attacked.
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people who get super defensive when people call out snyder's coaching the last couple years is a great litmus test for k-state karl tucks
I feel personally attacked.
Alright, I'll play your silly game. Who or what is karl tucks?
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I enjoyed the vast majority of LHOFCBS's tenure at K-State. Lot of good times. I'm not a tuck, but I found it strange how angry, and frankly cruel, a lot of cat fans were during the last year or so of Snyder's tenure, as well as during the coaching search. Made little sense to me. Guy held on a year or two too long. Not unheard of for competitive people like coach. I don't think someone who coached for 27 years should be judged on the performance of just a few of those, anymore than a new coach should be judged based on the performance of 3 games.
Come on bro, anyone with a brain knew what was going on and it was well beyond just a coach hanging on too long . . . there was an agenda behind the hanging on.
people put together all kinds of conspiracy theories about his motives, the AD's motives, all kinds of things. But none of them panned out. He stated several times he thought his son would be a good coaching hire, he's free to say that. But at the end of the day, he did NOTHING to interfere with the coaching search and coaching hire, no matter how many times people tried to accuse him of doing so. Remember when the story for a day was that LittreLL didn't come here because Snyder demanded that certain coaches had to be retained? Everyone was all up in arms about it . . . except it was complete BS. The guy stuck around a year or two longer than he probably should have. Its not like irrevocable harm was done during that time. It's nothing more than that. He left the program in better shape than when he got it - both times. Snyder's time was done, and I'm excited about the Klieman era, but don't understand why people feel the need to re-write what LHOFCBS accomplished here . . .
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I enjoyed the vast majority of LHOFCBS's tenure at K-State. Lot of good times. I'm not a tuck, but I found it strange how angry, and frankly cruel, a lot of cat fans were during the last year or so of Snyder's tenure, as well as during the coaching search. Made little sense to me. Guy held on a year or two too long. Not unheard of for competitive people like coach. I don't think someone who coached for 27 years should be judged on the performance of just a few of those, anymore than a new coach should be judged based on the performance of 3 games.
Come on bro, anyone with a brain knew what was going on and it was well beyond just a coach hanging on too long . . . there was an agenda behind the hanging on.
people put together all kinds of conspiracy theories about his motives, the AD's motives, all kinds of things. But none of them panned out. He stated several times he thought his son would be a good coaching hire, he's free to say that. But at the end of the day, he did NOTHING to interfere with the coaching search and coaching hire, no matter how many times people tried to accuse him of doing so. Remember when the story for a day was that LittreLL didn't come here because Snyder demanded that certain coaches had to be retained? Everyone was all up in arms about it . . . except it was complete BS. The guy stuck around a year or two longer than he probably should have. Its not like irrevocable harm was done during that time. It's nothing more than that. He left the program in better shape than when he got it - both times. Snyder's time was done, and I'm excited about the Klieman era, but don't understand why people feel the need to re-write what LHOFCBS accomplished here . . .
I wont even broach the coaching search because that's not really the point of your original post. It is well known that at one point LHC Bill Snyder was openly campaigning the power brokers to make Sean the coach not merely suggesting or hoping. He stayed longer in order to win a second war of attrition with an AD. There's little doubt that had K-State won the ISU game and been bowl eligible the power struggle would have been ratcheted up dramatically . . . for a second time in Snyder 2.0. All you had to do was listen to Gene Taylor mid-season on KMAN and you could tell that he was not happy, and that he was most unhappy with the tone of the program and the attrition in the program. There's little doubt that having to deal with a bowl eligible LHC Bill Snyder would have been a colossal pain in the ass on multiple fronts. That's what drove the animosity with Snyder.
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:lol: dax
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"an agenda" :lol:
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blast, you only started caring about snyder agendas in 2017......SAD!
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WTF
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this idea that snyder kept coaching ONLY because he wanted to hang on until there was an AD that would hire Sean, is insane and not based in reality. did he want Sean to be head coach? sure, he said as much. but there is no evidence he went to any meaningful lengths to make sure that was going to happen.
snyder is a stubborn, weird, old man that knows coaching and coaching only, and wanted to keep doing it as long as he could. it is as simple as that. he held on too long and became ineffective in his last few years, and for what it's worth i was ready to see him leave.
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this idea that snyder kept coaching ONLY because he wanted to hang on until there was an AD that would hire Sean, is insane and not based in reality. did he want Sean to be head coach? sure, he said as much. but there is no evidence he went to any meaningful lengths to make sure that was going to happen.
snyder is a stubborn, weird, old man that knows coaching and coaching only, and wanted to keep doing it as long as he could. it is as simple as that.
Yet there are people who give enough money to get invited to BMD events who will tell you that Snyder was at one point openly campaigning for Sean. So it's not insane in the least.
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ah, totally legit then
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ah, totally legit then
:lol: it's no more or less legit than ol tater on a message board. When the topic originally came up Bill didn't use words like "think, feel, hope" he would come right right out and say Sean should replace him as HC. It was only later that he started to add the verbs.
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welcome back to the football board dax :cheers:
would love to know how ku karl celebrated the big win friday night
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welcome back to the football board dax :cheers:
would love to know how ku karl celebrated the big win friday night
KU Karl immediately emailed Jeff Long to double check that not a penny of his $150 annual donation to KU athletics be used for any other sport besides Men's Basketball. Karl is still waiting on Mr. Long's response, but will email again if driven to do so. . .
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welcome back to the football board dax :cheers:
would love to know how ku karl celebrated the big win friday night
KU Karl immediately emailed Jeff Long to double check that not a penny of his $150 annual donation to KU athletics be used for any other sport besides Men's Basketball. Karl is still waiting on Mr. Long's response, but will email again if driven to do so. . .
If J-Lo does not respond promptly, does Karl craft an entirely new email or does he go to his sent mail folder then reply to the original and say something like "just wanted to circle back regarding my original correspondence (see below)..."
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welcome back to the football board dax :cheers:
would love to know how ku karl celebrated the big win friday night
KU Karl immediately emailed Jeff Long to double check that not a penny of his $150 annual donation to KU athletics be used for any other sport besides Men's Basketball. Karl is still waiting on Mr. Long's response, but will email again if driven to do so. . .
If J-Lo does not respond promptly, does Karl craft an entirely new email or does he go to his sent mail folder then reply to the original and say something like "just wanted to circle back regarding my original correspondence (see below)..."
With an edited email header, adding "2nd attempt" and so on.
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Amazing that it took the catastrophic event of KSU losing to flood aggie for the first time in history for his ass to be canned.
as it should
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I would say it should be added to a coach’s contract as grounds for firing for cause, but I think it’s well enough understood already.
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From a current JUCO player who was on the team last year:
Bill may have been at practice but Sean was running the show.
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We might end up sucking saggy balls, but it sure is nice to see some excitement/swagger back into the players.
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relax, it's monday
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losing to iowa state literally blew his mind
NO! It was the way they lost. 2nd half come back (beat down) is what did it.
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losing to iowa state literally blew his mind
NO! It was the way they lost. 2nd half come back (beat down) is what did it.
Saying 2nd half is generous. We scored a TD with under 12 minutes left in the game to go up by 17 and then hit that meltdown button
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but there is no evidence he went to any meaningful lengths to make sure that was going to happen.
What would constitute meaningful lengths to make sure Sean got the job? You seem to be much closer to the program than most but it seems like he did many things to try to get Sean the job.
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From a current JUCO player who was on the team last year:
Bill may have been at practice but Sean was running the show.
Well yeah, he was 80.
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I enjoyed the vast majority of LHOFCBS's tenure at K-State. Lot of good times. I'm not a tuck, but I found it strange how angry, and frankly cruel, a lot of cat fans were during the last year or so of Snyder's tenure, as well as during the coaching search. Made little sense to me. Guy held on a year or two too long. Not unheard of for competitive people like coach. I don't think someone who coached for 27 years should be judged on the performance of just a few of those, anymore than a new coach should be judged based on the performance of 3 games.
You're not going to get anywhere talking to the most ardent, angry anti-Snyderites. They are at best hypocrites but in most cases they are weirdo conspiracy theorists with real short memories. He deserved to go, no doubt, but the people who take it farther than that deserve to be laughed at. I'll straight up @ people on this too. Although aside from two exceptions the regular posters on this site aren't the vocal weirdos, I think for the most part everyone on here just wanted him gone because he wasn't a good football coach anymore.
Dax is a weirdo, who gives a flying eff if his only motivation was to get Sean the job. Completely ignoring the fact that it's a completely stupid talking point, the guy literally risked his well being to continue coaching while he was driving to KC twice a week for cancer treatments. If he wanted Sean to be the head coach he would have quit in August of '17. Sisco was coming back, everyone thought that was going to be a 9 win team. He wanted Sean to coach, but he wanted it when he was done, he clearly didn't think he was done.
@scottwildcat calls Snyder all kinds of bad names because now that he has talked to a couple of players he's been enlightened to some of the crap Snyder has done to players. He rough ridin' did crap like that the whole time he was here. Was there anything worse than what he did to Ell? He literally shortened Collin Klein's life right in front of our eyes and people like SC fistpumped right along. People getting in their feelings about held bowl rings more than the players did.
LHC Bill Snyder spent thirty years being an unctuous, surly, single minded, control freak who won a crap ton of football games at great expense to him and the people around him. That's what he felt was needed to be successful and he was right. We were all complicit because we all fed into the machine and when outsiders asked questions, we got offended, shut them out. The guy lost some games late in his career and some people have the nerve to get offended at the behavior he exhibits, that he did for years without impunity, to build all of this crap.
Whining about him being mean and cashing in on all he did for the program is really rough ridin' rich.
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:lynchmob: :clap:
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I blocked SWC on twitter almost 2 years ago and it’s one of the best social media things I ever have done.
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I enjoyed the vast majority of LHOFCBS's tenure at K-State. Lot of good times. I'm not a tuck, but I found it strange how angry, and frankly cruel, a lot of cat fans were during the last year or so of Snyder's tenure, as well as during the coaching search. Made little sense to me. Guy held on a year or two too long. Not unheard of for competitive people like coach. I don't think someone who coached for 27 years should be judged on the performance of just a few of those, anymore than a new coach should be judged based on the performance of 3 games.
You're not going to get anywhere talking to the most ardent, angry anti-Snyderites. They are at best hypocrites but in most cases they are weirdo conspiracy theorists with real short memories. He deserved to go, no doubt, but the people who take it farther than that deserve to be laughed at. I'll straight up @ people on this too. Although aside from two exceptions the regular posters on this site aren't the vocal weirdos, I think for the most part everyone on here just wanted him gone because he wasn't a good football coach anymore.
Dax is a weirdo, who gives a flying eff if his only motivation was to get Sean the job. Completely ignoring the fact that it's a completely stupid talking point, the guy literally risked his well being to continue coaching while he was driving to KC twice a week for cancer treatments. If he wanted Sean to be the head coach he would have quit in August of '17. Sisco was coming back, everyone thought that was going to be a 9 win team. He wanted Sean to coach, but he wanted it when he was done, he clearly didn't think he was done.
@scottwildcat calls Snyder all kinds of bad names because now that he has talked to a couple of players he's been enlightened to some of the crap Snyder has done to players. He rough ridin' did crap like that the whole time he was here. Was there anything worse than what he did to Ell? He literally shortened Collin Klein's life right in front of our eyes and people like SC fistpumped right along. People getting in their feelings about held bowl rings more than the players did.
LHC Bill Snyder spent thirty years being an unctuous, surly, single minded, control freak who won a crap ton of football games at great expense to him and the people around him. That's what he felt was needed to be successful and he was right. We were all complicit because we all fed into the machine and when outsiders asked questions, we got offended, shut them out. The guy lost some games late in his career and some people have the nerve to get offended at the behavior he exhibits, that he did for years without impunity, to build all of this crap.
Whining about him being mean and cashing in on all he did for the program is really rough ridin' rich.
MIR, I couldn't have said it better... well maybe. JK :cheers:
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if bill quit a year earlier there would be some chance that sean is the coach, and he would definitely push for it. last year he mumped up so bad he knew there was no shot.
his motivation was for sure #1 get sean the job, and #2, if he could just hang on one more year as the figurehead that's another 3.5 million for his #family.
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if bill quit a year earlier there would be some chance that sean is the coach, and he would definitely push for it. last year he mumped up so bad he knew there was no shot.
his motivation was for sure #1 get sean the job, and #2, if he could just hang on one more year as the figurehead that's another 3.5 million for his #family.
Nah, his motivation was the exact same as anyone else who built anything of substance. He didn't think anyone was more suited to do his job than him. Let's not forget that he saw it get mumped up once.
Also there was no chance Sean was getting hired by Gene. The only way it would have worked is if Sean was the interim and was so good that he got a groundswell of support.
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i'm still going with my angle so i can be :curse: at something
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i'm still going with my angle so i can be :curse: at something
:Woot:
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I personally don't see anything wrong with someone taking issue with Snyder's bad person approach to player treatment/being an bad person in 2018 but accepting it in 1998. Times change.
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You can be a giant bad person when you get results. Being a giant bad person and sucking is sad and losery.
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but there is no evidence he went to any meaningful lengths to make sure that was going to happen.
What would constitute meaningful lengths to make sure Sean got the job? You seem to be much closer to the program than most but it seems like he did many things to try to get Sean the job.
i'm having a hard time naming anything, and that's kind of the point. neither john currie nor gene taylor were ever going even consider hiring sean, so it didn't really matter what bill did. it's my opinion that people talked about bill wanting sean to be head coach so much, that it became this accepted talking point with way more attention than it deserved.
the point is bill kept coaching because he wanted to keep coaching.
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but he wasn't exactly coaching...
he was banking on sean and him going 9-3 and then having a good argument for being coach
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It's funny how he was like, "Sean is basically the head coach right now," trying to prop him up, and then we went 5-7. Whoops. That backfired.
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We should be EXTREMELY thankful that we didn't get Sean Suttoned/Pat Knighted.
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YES!
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I was kind of hoping we were going to be Tony Bennetted.
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By the end K-State had a bunch of grumpy Snyderites on the staff and a grumpy old football coach just hanging on to get paid massive amounts of $$, lose to Mack Brown intentionally and out of hope his son would be installed as the next coach.
The wholesale clean-out of the staff, except for Klein was long overdue.
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LOL @MakeItRain . . . risking your life driving to KC for cancer treatments was/is a personal choice, no one, not a soul, at K-State was forcing LHC Bill Snyder to continue coaching through cancer.
Having no other life outside of coaching football is also a personal choice, why should K-State pay a price for the fact that LHC Bill Snyder made a life choice to not enjoy any other aspects of life besides coaching football? It's one of the most over played talking points out of Snyderites out of many.
To say or think no one else was suited for the job of K-State is like . . . peak arrogance.
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but he wasn't exactly coaching...
he was banking on sean and him going 9-3 and then having a good argument for being coach
That would have been a good argument coming off 9 and 8 wins seasons with bowl victories. But the bottom fell out finally exposing a program suffering from a lack of innovation and recruiting.
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LOL @MakeItRain . . . risking your life driving to KC for cancer treatments was/is a personal choice, no one, not a soul, at K-State was forcing LHC Bill Snyder to continue coaching through cancer.
Having no other life outside of coaching football is also a personal choice, why should K-State pay a price for the fact that LHC Bill Snyder made a life choice to not enjoy any other aspects of life besides coaching football? It's one of the most over played talking points out of Snyderites out of many.
To say or think no one else was suited for the job of K-State is like . . . peak arrogance.
i don't know what you're arguing at this point. most kstate fans believed it was time for snyder to go at the end of last season, and that's what happened.
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Great, now we have a football stadium named after a whole family that actually completely sucked. :frown:
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and a highway
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Dax literally thinks every single person in the world has a secret nefarious agenda to screw him. Yes it's insane, but it also provides some great bbs material.
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LOL @MakeItRain . . . risking your life driving to KC for cancer treatments was/is a personal choice, no one, not a soul, at K-State was forcing LHC LHC Bill Snyder to continue coaching through cancer.
Having no other life outside of coaching football is also a personal choice, why should K-State pay a price for the fact that LHC LHC Bill Snyder made a life choice to not enjoy any other aspects of life besides coaching football? It's one of the most over played talking points out of Snyderites out of many.
To say or think no one else was suited for the job of K-State is like . . . peak arrogance.
what elite coach doesn't exhibit peak arrogance?
Bill built and then rebuilt a program we can be proud of but hung on a little longer than was ideal.
that being said how many competitiors hang it up when they are on top?
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but he wasn't exactly coaching...
he was banking on sean and him going 9-3 and then having a good argument for being coach
That would have been a good argument coming off 9 and 8 wins seasons with bowl victories. But the bottom fell out finally exposing a program suffering from a lack of innovation and recruiting.
I think this season is showing that the recruiting was just fine and that the main issue toward the end has been poor game management and discipline.
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LHCBS did not suck. His ability to coach and recruit just declined to the point where it made sense to replace him. He's still a legend, and still the savior of our football program. No allegations of poor payer treatment, or pushing for Sean, will change that. LHCBS has endeared himself to me and my fellow 'Cat fans, and I'm sure they'll embrace Klieman as well.
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but he wasn't exactly coaching...
he was banking on sean and him going 9-3 and then having a good argument for being coach
That would have been a good argument coming off 9 and 8 wins seasons with bowl victories. But the bottom fell out finally exposing a program suffering from a lack of innovation and recruiting.
I think this season is showing that the recruiting was just fine and that the main issue toward the end has been poor game management and discipline.
Definitely the main issue, but Kleiman brought in some stud transfers as well.
Still, you simply can’t put a team on the field year 1 looking this good so far (admittedly against inferior competition) without a solid foundation.
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LOL @MakeItRain . . . risking your life driving to KC for cancer treatments was/is a personal choice, no one, not a soul, at K-State was forcing LHC Bill Snyder to continue coaching through cancer.
Having no other life outside of coaching football is also a personal choice, why should K-State pay a price for the fact that LHC Bill Snyder made a life choice to not enjoy any other aspects of life besides coaching football? It's one of the most over played talking points out of Snyderites out of many.
To say or think no one else was suited for the job of K-State is like . . . peak arrogance.
i don't know what you're arguing at this point. most kstate fans believed it was time for snyder to go at the end of last season, and that's what happened.
Your problem is you have no idea what you're even arguing . . . did I say anything that indicated that I don't recognize that people finally realized it was time for Snyder to step down?
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LOL @MakeItRain . . . risking your life driving to KC for cancer treatments was/is a personal choice, no one, not a soul, at K-State was forcing LHC LHC Bill Snyder to continue coaching through cancer.
Having no other life outside of coaching football is also a personal choice, why should K-State pay a price for the fact that LHC LHC Bill Snyder made a life choice to not enjoy any other aspects of life besides coaching football? It's one of the most over played talking points out of Snyderites out of many.
To say or think no one else was suited for the job of K-State is like . . . peak arrogance.
what elite coach doesn't exhibit peak arrogance?
Bill built and then rebuilt a program we can be proud of but hung on a little longer than was ideal.
that being said how many competitiors hang it up when they are on top?
Why does what everyone else does have to apply to K-State all the time?
Who isn't proud?
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Dax literally thinks every single person in the world has a secret nefarious agenda to screw him. Yes it's insane, but it also provides some great bbs material.
:lol: you're such a little weirdo and you and Dug need to quit taking The Pit outside of The Pit.
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Dax literally thinks every single person in the world has a secret nefarious agenda to screw him. Yes it's insane, but it also provides some great bbs material.
:lol: you're such a little weirdo and you and Dug need to quit taking The Pit outside of The Pit.
I don't take the pit outside of the pit. I think I agree with you in literally every non pit thread there is. I agree with your Snyder take. I think it also bears mentioning that KSU had to give Bill $3mm to go quietly and not round up his donors to try and force shawn in.
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Dax literally thinks every single person in the world has a secret nefarious agenda to screw him. Yes it's insane, but it also provides some great bbs material.
:lol: you're such a little weirdo and you and Dug need to quit taking The Pit outside of The Pit.
I don't take the pit outside of the pit. I think I agree with you in literally every non pit thread there is. I agree with your Snyder take. I think it also bears mentioning that KSU had to give Bill $3mm to go quietly and not round up his donors to try and force shawn in.
They didn't want to appear as though the fired Snyder, so it cost an extra $3 million to retire/fire him. So Snyder gets $1.25 million dollars for the next 3 years and then another $250K a year for as long as he is physically capable of performing whatever non-duties he supposedly performs. Plus the suite in the stadium.
All in K-State will pay the Snyder's $1.6 million this year.
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I personally don't see anything wrong with someone taking issue with Snyder's bad person approach to player treatment/being an bad person in 2018 but accepting it in 1998. Times change.
That's fine, do what you want but if you do that be intellectually honest enough to say it's about the winning, because it sure as hell isn't about a change in Bill. If anything all signs pointed to him softening more at the end.
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Dax literally thinks every single person in the world has a secret nefarious agenda to screw him. Yes it's insane, but it also provides some great bbs material.
:lol: you're such a little weirdo and you and Dug need to quit taking The Pit outside of The Pit.
I don't take the pit outside of the pit. I think I agree with you in literally every non pit thread there is. I agree with your Snyder take. I think it also bears mentioning that KSU had to give Bill $3mm to go quietly and not round up his donors to try and force shawn in.
No, that didn't need to be done, not at all, especially if Gene was going to hire Klieman. Gene did that because it was the easiest way, but the only thing he was required to do is what was contractually obligated. He chose not to play hardball, just like Bill chose to ask for all of that money. He used the leverage he earned, good for him for being so good at his job for so long.
A lot of this sounds like rich shaming.
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LOL @MakeItRain . . . risking your life driving to KC for cancer treatments was/is a personal choice, no one, not a soul, at K-State was forcing LHC Bill Snyder to continue coaching through cancer.
Having no other life outside of coaching football is also a personal choice, why should K-State pay a price for the fact that LHC Bill Snyder made a life choice to not enjoy any other aspects of life besides coaching football? It's one of the most over played talking points out of Snyderites out of many.
To say or think no one else was suited for the job of K-State is like . . . peak arrogance.
Yeah bud, I know it was a personal choice, that was the point. I'm confused about what you mean by "K-State paying a price" so I'm not going to touch that.
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I personally don't see anything wrong with someone taking issue with Snyder's bad person approach to player treatment/being an bad person in 2018 but accepting it in 1998. Times change.
That's fine, do what you want but if you do that be intellectually honest enough to say it's about the winning, because it sure as hell isn't about a change in Bill. If anything all signs pointed to him softening more at the end.
of course that's part of it, but it's not ALL there is and it's not exactly black and white. First of all, what we accept as a society today is a lot different than what we accepted in 1991. Also, an approach to discipline that worked for the shittiest program in history in 1990 could make you far less likely to win today with a program that's had a pretty good 20 year run.
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The skill set required to build >> maintain >> grow a thing are 3 completely different things.
There's some overlap in the middle there - but very little between build & grow.
He'd outlived his value to the program and it was exacerbated by refusal to adjust and change.
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All in K-State will pay the Snyder's $1.6 million this year.
who gives a eff
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Bill made a lot of money and got to give his friends and family a lot of money because he was outrageously successful. That’s also why he got away with being an bad person for 25 years. That isn’t unique to Bill, or KSU, or even the sport of college football. That’s the way it is and no intelligent person cares
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All in K-State will pay the Snyder's $1.6 million this year.
who gives a eff
The people who could get hired for support roles on the football team if that money wasn’t being spent on them.
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LHC Bill Snyder may have kick-started the whole thing, but kansas state became bigger than LHC Bill Snyder. k-state didn't act like it though, and it was getting pathetic. if you're an athlete who just got drafted, do you keep your hs sweetheart, or do you can her ass for ig models?
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LHC Bill Snyder may have kick-started the whole thing, but kansas state became bigger than LHC Bill Snyder. k-state didn't act like it though, and it was getting pathetic. if you're an athlete who just got drafted, do you keep your hs sweetheart, or do you can her ass for ig models?
ask our guy patrick :love:
https://twitter.com/brittanylynne8/status/1174077179371630592?s=20
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:love:
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Dax literally thinks every single person in the world has a secret nefarious agenda to screw him. Yes it's insane, but it also provides some great bbs material.
:lol: you're such a little weirdo and you and Dug need to quit taking The Pit outside of The Pit.
I don't take the pit outside of the pit. I think I agree with you in literally every non pit thread there is. I agree with your Snyder take. I think it also bears mentioning that KSU had to give Bill $3mm to go quietly and not round up his donors to try and force shawn in.
No, that didn't need to be done, not at all, especially if Gene was going to hire Klieman. Gene did that because it was the easiest way, but the only thing he was required to do is what was contractually obligated. He chose not to play hardball, just like Bill chose to ask for all of that money. He used the leverage he earned, good for him for being so good at his job for so long.
A lot of this sounds like rich shaming.
Are you really good at your job if your employer is forcing you to leave from poor performance?
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Meadowlark is the greatest thing to hit Manhattan Kansas since myself
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Welp, the ol "Rich shaming" line is now out on gEmaw. :lol:
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I'll let you interpret these stats however you like...
(https://i.ibb.co/Wvd369t/KSU-30-Year-Per-Play-Stats.png)
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really early but dang
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Our last 5 years defense looks bad, but I wonder if it was adjusted to modern offenses how it would change.
It was nice to play a quality team and not give up an automatic 5-10 on first down. I hope it stays this way.
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Holy crap those stats are meaningless right now.
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I'll let you interpret these stats however you like...
(https://i.ibb.co/Wvd369t/KSU-30-Year-Per-Play-Stats.png)
That does look good until you remember that the 2019 numbers are against 2/3 scrubs and not like 1/3 scrubs like the final season numbers will be.
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2002 :love:
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I personally don't see anything wrong with someone taking issue with Snyder's bad person approach to player treatment/being an bad person in 2018 but accepting it in 1998. Times change.
That's fine, do what you want but if you do that be intellectually honest enough to say it's about the winning, because it sure as hell isn't about a change in Bill. If anything all signs pointed to him softening more at the end.
of course that's part of it, but it's not ALL there is and it's not exactly black and white. First of all, what we accept as a society today is a lot different than what we accepted in 1991. Also, an approach to discipline that worked for the shittiest program in history in 1990 could make you far less likely to win today with a program that's had a pretty good 20 year run.
All true
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Dax literally thinks every single person in the world has a secret nefarious agenda to screw him. Yes it's insane, but it also provides some great bbs material.
:lol: you're such a little weirdo and you and Dug need to quit taking The Pit outside of The Pit.
I don't take the pit outside of the pit. I think I agree with you in literally every non pit thread there is. I agree with your Snyder take. I think it also bears mentioning that KSU had to give Bill $3mm to go quietly and not round up his donors to try and force shawn in.
No, that didn't need to be done, not at all, especially if Gene was going to hire Klieman. Gene did that because it was the easiest way, but the only thing he was required to do is what was contractually obligated. He chose not to play hardball, just like Bill chose to ask for all of that money. He used the leverage he earned, good for him for being so good at his job for so long.
A lot of this sounds like rich shaming.
Are you really good at your job if your employer is forcing you to leave from poor performance?
A person's value is literally what someone is willing to pay them.
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Holy crap those stats are meaningless right now.
YES!*
*But I don't care.
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Holy crap those stats are meaningless right now.
YES!*
*But I don't care.
okay
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oof
https://twitter.com/jamsdans/status/1269111881429647362
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oof
https://twitter.com/jamsdans/status/1269111881429647362
Did you look at the rest of the pdf? Also had the highest 2 year increase from 26%.
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Yes, it makes that significantly worse because that's the number after the increase. In 2016 the graduation percentage was 26%, that appears to be the lowest percentage by any school and it wasn't particularly close.
That's shameful.
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The university as a whole isn't very good at graduating students.
https://www.scholarships.com/colleges/kansas-state-university/graduation-rates/
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Glad I could help boost those 6 year numbers :gocho:
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The university as a whole isn't very good at graduating students.
https://www.scholarships.com/colleges/kansas-state-university/graduation-rates/
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Well the K-State also accepts like 95% of all applicants....so if you have a pulse you're in. This means that there are quite a bit of students not well prepared for college that were accepted. The 4 year degree in 4 years is also becoming a myth as more (including other Universities) are seeing students graduate in 4.5 to 5 years instead of 4.
The university as a whole isn't very good at graduating students.
https://www.scholarships.com/colleges/kansas-state-university/graduation-rates/
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The black athlete numbers were 6 year graduation rates, which are lower than the student body numbers. I think the list as a whole would be better if the athlete rates were ranked as a comparison to student body rates, though.
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Athlete numbers can be skewed though, if say, 3/4 if the basketball team transfers out
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Athlete numbers can be skewed though, if say, 3/4 if the basketball team transfers out
True, but your coach would have to be incompetent for that to ever happen.
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Athlete numbers can be skewed though, if say, 3/4 if the basketball team transfers out
That's part of the reason why the numbers are bad and part of the problem. Why did the program lose so many black football players?
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Completely suck, FFS
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Fire Klieman