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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: sys on August 28, 2019, 08:32:25 PM
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don't look back at the previous polling results before voting, if you vote other, specify who in the comments, if you either can't or won't vote in the upcoming dem primary, don't participate in this poll.
as always, i reserve the right to change any incorrect, fraudulent or ambiguous votes to the correct candidate.
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Please clarify, “will you vote for?” seems different to “do you prefer?“ Which should we choose?
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if you believe you will vote for a candidate different than the candidate you prefer, you should answer with name of the candidate you will vote for.
however, i would caution you that this is not an exercise in predicting the future. i am not asking you to divine the candidates that will be still actively campaigning by the time your state votes.
you may resolve any tension inherent to the clarifying statements above as you best see fit.
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If the primary were held today I would vote for Warren
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I invested a bit of time last night trying to figure out if I'll be able to vote in this thing and/or a republican one and failed.
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I believe Warren will win the primary and I guess I will vote for her in the general. I’ll probably vote for that awful Walsh guy in the primary unless some hero moderate pub congressperson steps up.
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I want to vote for whoever keeps the largest number of potential Trump voters from voting for Trump. At this point, I'm not sure who that is, so I'll vote for Gen X and vote for Beto.
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All in on ChiCom Joe.
A Sino-Russian show down for 2020!!
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Dax, zero percent of this board believes you are voting for anyone but Trump.
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Dax, zero percent of this board believes you are voting for anyone but Trump.
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That wasn't the point, dummy.
My gawd, you've been just awful lately.
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I think I’m still team Pete, so that’s who I voted for. 18 primaries will have been completed before I vote, so it will come down to a practicality decision. I’ll vote for almost anyone outside of the top 3 with a chance to beat Warren/Sanders, and I’m not optimistic on how the next six months are going to go for Geezer Joe
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I would vote for the police if the election were today.
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I would vote for the police if the election were today.
Racist!
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I would vote for the police if the election were today.
Racist!
She’s black police though
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I voted Warren because I don't think Pete will be around much longer so adjust as you see fit, sys
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i voted beto due to sys overwhelming my timeline into submission
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Figured it out, I'll get a ballot and will be able to vote for anyone in the primary but to vote for a democrat or a republican will require me to say I'm a democrat or a republican and that info going to the parties and them sending me mail and calling me. I'll only do that if it's looking like a close call between a normal and a weirdo.
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Michael Bennet all the way! :emawkid:
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Figured it out, I'll get a ballot and will be able to vote for anyone in the primary but to vote for a democrat or a republican will require me to say I'm a democrat or a republican and that info going to the parties and them sending me mail and calling me. I'll only do that if it's looking like a close call between a normal and a weirdo.
Yeah, I have no interest in declaring a party so I don't do primaries
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sys, I screwed up your poll again. I voted Warren based on my comment and should have abstained.
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Gabbard. Bernie if/when she quits. Then Yang. None of the others.
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Gabbard. Bernie if/when she quits. Then Yang. None of the others.
LMAO at that being your top 3 then rejecting everyone else
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Gabbard. Bernie if/when she quits. Then Yang. None of the others.
LMAO at that being your top 3 then rejecting everyone else
All the rest are garbage imo.
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Gabbard. Bernie if/when she quits. Then Yang. None of the others.
LMAO at that being your top 3 then rejecting everyone else
All the rest are garbage imo.
honest question: are you a single issue (have they been on joe rogan) voter?
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Gabbard. Bernie if/when she quits. Then Yang. None of the others.
LMAO at that being your top 3 then rejecting everyone else
All the rest are garbage imo.
honest question: are you a single issue (have they been on joe rogan) voter?
No, funny coincidence tho. Main issue is reigning in war profiteering and protecting civil liberties. Obv very anti establishment as well.
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Gabbard. Bernie if/when she quits. Then Yang. None of the others.
LMAO at that being your top 3 then rejecting everyone else
All the rest are garbage imo.
honest question: are you a single issue (have they been on joe rogan) voter?
No, funny coincidence tho. Main issue is reigning in war profiteering and protecting civil liberties. Obv very anti establishment as well.
I don't get supporting Bernie but not Warren. I see them as very similar, with Warren having the advantage of not being quite as old, but still being way too old to be the ideal candidate for me.
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Warren is slightly less socialist which is good imo
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I think Warren is fake. Great speaker and great organizer tho.
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Why do you think that?
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Interesting, I think she's very authentic
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sys, I screwed up your poll again. I voted Warren based on my comment and should have abstained.
i'll adjust totals for voter fraud and any other issues after voting closes.
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sys, I screwed up your poll again. I voted Warren based on my comment and should have abstained.
i'll adjust totals for voter fraud and any other issues after voting closes.
If it makes a difference, Beto is top 3 for me
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it doesn't matter for the poll, but it certainly speaks well of your character and taste.
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Why do you think that?
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I guess because to me it seems like Sanders is still fighting the same fight he has been for decades. He seems to have a lot of conviction and a true mission to help working and middle class Americans. He’s an outsider, and one I don’t think the DNC is too fond of.
I can’t say the same for Warren. I think she’s taken a lot of Sanders’ platforms and kinda tried to make them her own, because that’s what a decent amount of voters want to hear. It also concerns me that the DNC and mainstream dems are embracing/ pushing her as the progressive alternative. It’s like they know she’ll fall in line when push comes to shove.
Obviously, just my opinion — semi-educated. Who knows, if Warren is the nominee, I may vote for her over Trump, but she’ll have to convince me.
I’ll say again that I’m always impressed when she’s on stage or rallying a crowd. She’s super smart no doubt.
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I think Warren is gonna win the nom tho. I think that’s been the DNC plan since Biden started talking gibberish.
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You think the DNC is in for Warren? Wut
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You think the DNC is in for Warren? Wut
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I do! DNC and big media outlets.
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Warren is really rough ridin' smart and accomplished. Dont know if that translates to being the best President, but no one can argue her bona fides.
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Heap big bona fides
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if she were smart, she wouldn't advocate so many stupid policies.
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Warren would completely emasculate your boy toy h2h. Good Lord...
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Warren would completely emasculate your boy toy h2h. Good Lord...
Except for all of her bad policies, sure
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Warren would completely emasculate your boy toy h2h. Good Lord...
Except for all of her bad policies, sure
I'm sorry, but I think you might be mistaken about how our Constitutional Republic functions.
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I believe Warren will win the primary and I guess I will vote for her in the general. I’ll probably vote for that awful Walsh guy in the primary unless some hero moderate pub congressperson steps up.
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Bill Weld
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I would vote for the police if the election were today.
I am constantly questioning my dislike of her because every black woman over 50 in America loves her like Dax loves MAGA.
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Figured it out, I'll get a ballot and will be able to vote for anyone in the primary but to vote for a democrat or a republican will require me to say I'm a democrat or a republican and that info going to the parties and them sending me mail and calling me. I'll only do that if it's looking like a close call between a normal and a weirdo.
Yeah, I have no interest in declaring a party so I don't do primaries
Iowa lets you do it when you report to the caucus then you can change back right after. I am a democrat 1 day every 4 or 8 years.
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Gabbard. Bernie if/when she quits. Then Yang. None of the others.
LMAO at that being your top 3 then rejecting everyone else
All the rest are garbage imo.
You know you're my guy and have been for a very long time. I see you trying, futilely, to do so, but there is no rational justification for this, it's batshit crazy. You've picked three candidates all over the place on the left side of the spectrum. Completely disregarding the fact that Elizabeth Warren is essentially the exact same thing as Bernie Sanders, just in more electable packaging, I don't know how you with an informed view can distinguish Sanders from Castro. Gabbard, for all of her posturing with the police, isn't different from her hardly at all, nor Booker, nor Biden, especially how they would govern if elected. Her policy positions are just as establishment as everyone else. It isn't like she is going to get elected then throw open the jail cell doors to everyone who has had a drug conviction.
When you split hairs with a hatchet, you end up making wild, foolish, nonsensical, distinctions. Aren't you a democrat anyway?
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I don't have a ton of time for this but nicname very rightly ID'd a real issue. Warren was a Republican until she was quite a bit older than I am now. She is not exactly crystal clear on whether there is daylight between Bernie and her on Medicare for All and nic is absolutely correct that given the choice, the DNC would deal with Warren but is absolutely dead set against Bernie. There are obvious downsides to this for Bernie (they are basically all that get talked about) but the upside is no one is worried Bernie doesn't mean what he says.
I certainly think Warren is a decent back up plan and am pretty happy that polling suggests that Bernie/Warren have a pretty good share of the democratic primary locked down. I just think that Warren has a ton of very apparent weaknesses as a candidate if electability is the only difference you really see between her and Bernie (and that can't be right, because they are still pretty different on policy!)
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I disagree with people calling out political evolving as a negative. I certainly have different views now than I did 10 years ago. We grow from our experiences.
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Other than straight up demagogue stuff obv. But I don’t believe that is Warren. I think she just legitimately evolved into a shitty socialist.
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I don't have a ton of time for this but nicname very rightly ID'd a real issue. Warren was a Republican until she was quite a bit older than I am now. She is not exactly crystal clear on whether there is daylight between Bernie and her on Medicare for All and nic is absolutely correct that given the choice, the DNC would deal with Warren but is absolutely dead set against Bernie. There are obvious downsides to this for Bernie (they are basically all that get talked about) but the upside is no one is worried Bernie doesn't mean what he says.
I certainly think Warren is a decent back up plan and am pretty happy that polling suggests that Bernie/Warren have a pretty good share of the democratic primary locked down. I just think that Warren has a ton of very apparent weaknesses as a candidate if electability is the only difference you really see between her and Bernie (and that can't be right, because they are still pretty different on policy!)
Sure, there are some, I think minor differences, between her and Bernie but they're not significant enough for a Democrat to essentially say it's Bernie and no one else, and try to justify it with policy positioning, that's ludicrous.
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I like that Warren seems to have the best grasp of racial injustice in the US (along with Beto, I suppose). IMO it's probably our biggest issue along with health care
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I like that Warren seems to have the best grasp of racial injustice in the US (along with Beto, I suppose). IMO it's probably our biggest issue along with health care
The biggest issue is foreign policy.
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I like that Warren seems to have the best grasp of racial injustice in the US (along with Beto, I suppose). IMO it's probably our biggest issue along with health care
The biggest issue is foreign policy.
Eh a general reduction in spending and replacing a whackadoo would be great but mostly for having money to spend on other stuff. Not sure what aspect of foreign policy you find most important though
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I like that Warren seems to have the best grasp of racial injustice in the US (along with Beto, I suppose). IMO it's probably our biggest issue along with health care
this analysis is insane to me.
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I like that Warren seems to have the best grasp of racial injustice in the US (along with Beto, I suppose). IMO it's probably our biggest issue along with health care
The biggest issue is foreign policy.
Eh a general reduction in spending and replacing a whackadoo would be great but mostly for having money to spend on other stuff. Not sure what aspect of foreign policy you find most important though
Telling Russia to eff off?
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I like that Warren seems to have the best grasp of racial injustice in the US (along with Beto, I suppose). IMO it's probably our biggest issue along with health care
The biggest issue is foreign policy.
Eh a general reduction in spending and replacing a whackadoo would be great but mostly for having money to spend on other stuff. Not sure what aspect of foreign policy you find most important though
The money spent by the public to finance the “wars” that large corporations profit from is the most important aspect. The safety aspect of occupying state after state, toppling regime after regime and creating blowback that puts Americans (military and civilian) in danger is right there. The moral aspect of leaving regions shittier than when we arrived and killing tons innocent people also matters to me.
But yes, the money wasted on our continuous warmongering would do a lot better serving people here.
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Everyone has their big issues. Except me. I dabble in a little bit of all of them. Like a true moderate thoroughbred.
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I like that Warren seems to have the best grasp of racial injustice in the US (along with Beto, I suppose). IMO it's probably our biggest issue along with health care
this analysis is insane to me.
How so, because this is also my differentiator. She was the loudest voice willing to speak up for Ilhan Omar when the racist right decided to make her their cause. Most of the candidates have been vocal about some race based reforms, namely criminal justice. However, defending Omar as vocally as she did showed me that she isn't going to cut and run when it gets hard.
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I like that Warren seems to have the best grasp of racial injustice in the US (along with Beto, I suppose). IMO it's probably our biggest issue along with health care
this analysis is insane to me.
which part?
I like that Warren seems to have the best grasp of racial injustice in the US (along with Beto, I suppose). IMO it's probably our biggest issue along with health care
The biggest issue is foreign policy.
Eh a general reduction in spending and replacing a whackadoo would be great but mostly for having money to spend on other stuff. Not sure what aspect of foreign policy you find most important though
The money spent by the public to finance the “wars” that large corporations profit from is the most important aspect. The safety aspect of occupying state after state, toppling regime after regime and creating blowback that puts Americans (military and civilian) in danger is right there. The moral aspect of leaving regions shittier than when we arrived and killing tons innocent people also matters to me.
But yes, the money wasted on our continuous warmongering would do a lot better serving people here.
I hear ya, but the number of Americans in danger because of our foreign policy is wayyyyy smaller than the number of Americans in danger due to inadequate affordable healthcare or mass incarceration caused by war on drugs in poor minority communities. (the occupation of other nations is also morally wrong and I agree should be addressed)
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I like that Warren seems to have the best grasp of racial injustice in the US (along with Beto, I suppose). IMO it's probably our biggest issue along with health care
this analysis is insane to me.
which part?
I like that Warren seems to have the best grasp of racial injustice in the US (along with Beto, I suppose). IMO it's probably our biggest issue along with health care
The biggest issue is foreign policy.
Eh a general reduction in spending and replacing a whackadoo would be great but mostly for having money to spend on other stuff. Not sure what aspect of foreign policy you find most important though
The money spent by the public to finance the “wars” that large corporations profit from is the most important aspect. The safety aspect of occupying state after state, toppling regime after regime and creating blowback that puts Americans (military and civilian) in danger is right there. The moral aspect of leaving regions shittier than when we arrived and killing tons innocent people also matters to me.
But yes, the money wasted on our continuous warmongering would do a lot better serving people here.
I hear ya, but the number of Americans in danger because of our foreign policy is wayyyyy smaller than the number of Americans in danger due to inadequate affordable healthcare or mass incarceration caused by war on drugs in poor minority communities. (the occupation of other nations is also morally wrong and I agree should be addressed)
Tuition free K-16, M4A EDIT to add: Living Wage, and such programs would be a lot easier to afford if we weren’t spending billions each month on military engagements that do us more harm than good.
I hate the prison industrial complex as much as I hate the military industrial complex.
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I like that Warren seems to have the best grasp of racial injustice in the US (along with Beto, I suppose). IMO it's probably our biggest issue along with health care
this analysis is insane to me.
How so, because this is also my differentiator. She was the loudest voice willing to speak up for Ilhan Omar when the racist right decided to make her their cause. Most of the candidates have been vocal about some race based reforms, namely criminal justice. However, defending Omar as vocally as she did showed me that she isn't going to cut and run when it gets hard.
yeah
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1132405469853753344?s=20
https://medium.com/@teamwarren/rethinking-public-safety-to-reduce-mass-incarceration-and-strengthen-communities-90e8591c6255
I'd also add that IMO Warren does a good job addressing racial inequality in a way that doesn't make someone who makes me uncomfortable whites feel like there's reverse racism or taking something away from them
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Tuition free K-16, M4A and such programs would be a lot easier to afford if we weren’t spending billions each month on military engagements that do us more harm than good.
I hate the prison industrial complex as much as I hate the military industrial complex.
I mean apparently you hate the military industrial complex more. which is fine!
but I don't think you can entirely make the social changes or the foreign policy changes in a vacuum. They're definitely related. I'm just saying that I would prefer get universal health care without ending our perpetual foreign wars rather than ending perpetual war without universal health care. :twocents:
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I should say I probably spoke a bit strong throwing Warren out with the rest of the democrats. She could win me over, but I’m skeptical. A lot of that does come from the DNC, mainstream dems and media seeming more favorable to her than other progressive types.
I’m not an ideologue. My pipe dream is a small federal government with state/counties/cities being anywhere on the left to right spectrum as they see fit. I don’t think we’ll ever have a true republic like that again anyway if we ever did.
I mean I’m all for Tuition Free K-16, M4A, $15 min wage, etc. I would have never said that 5 years ago.
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I mean apparently you hate the military industrial complex more. which is fine!
but I don't think you can entirely make the social changes or the foreign policy changes in a vacuum. They're definitely related.
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Of course they are related. Haven’t I said as much? Excuse me if I didn’t. I think the reason I feel the military stuff is more pressing is that the president actually wields great power in foreign policy. The president needs a lot more help and time with regard to the other stuff.
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I mean apparently you hate the military industrial complex more. which is fine!
but I don't think you can entirely make the social changes or the foreign policy changes in a vacuum. They're definitely related.
Of course they are related. Haven’t I said as much? Excuse me if I didn’t.
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Yeah I was agreeing with you
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I mean apparently you hate the military industrial complex more. which is fine!
but I don't think you can entirely make the social changes or the foreign policy changes in a vacuum. They're definitely related.
Of course they are related. Haven’t I said as much? Excuse me if I didn’t.
Yeah I was agreeing with you
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And I ... YOU!
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I should say I probably spoke a bit strong throwing Warren out with the rest of the democrats.
don't let them browbeat you. warren is complete trash. you're better off voting for sanders (and i hate him).
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I should say I probably spoke a bit strong throwing Warren out with the rest of the democrats.
don't let them browbeat you. warren is complete trash. you're better off voting for sanders (and i hate him).
No one is telling him to vote for Warren instead of Sanders
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yeah, and i'm not suggesting he should vote for sanders.
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warren - 26%
beto - 19%
sanders - 13%
buttigieg - 10%
delaney - 10%
biden - 6%
harris - 3%
yang - 3%
castro - 3%
gabbard - 3%
bennet -3%
two votes for warren were discarded because the voters were not registered democrats, a third was reassigned to sanders because no one believes michigancat isn't a berniebro. three voters did not specify the candidate to receive their votes for "other", all three votes were assigned to delaney as the most likely intended candidate.
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warren - 26%
beto - 19%
sanders - 13%
buttigieg - 10%
delaney - 10%
biden - 6%
harris - 3%
yang - 3%
castro - 3%
gabbard - 3%
bennet -3%
two votes for warren were discarded because the voters were not registered democrats, a third was reassigned to sanders because no one believes michigancat isn't a berniebro. three voters did not specify the candidate to receive their votes for "other", all three votes were assigned to delaney as the most likely intended candidate.
damn
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remember you have to sign your name on the ballot in california, michigancat, so i recommend you don't lie about who you support when you vote. i'm not a lawyer, but i'm pretty sure that'd be perjury.