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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: Shooter Jones on April 02, 2019, 08:54:58 AM
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Another year down, so it's time to discuss who the blue bloods are again.
Obvious choices?
UCLA: 11 titles
Kentucky: 8 titles
North Carolina: 6 titles
Duke: 5 titles
On the edge?
Villanova: 3 titles, 2 in the last 5 years.
UCONN: 4 titles in the last 20 years.
Indiana: 5 titles, 0 in the last 25 years.
Not close, but could be taken seriously if they can win 1 or 2 titles soon:
Louisville: 3 nattys, 1 in the last 25 years.
Kansas: 3 nattys, 1 in the last 30 years.
Thoughts?
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Michigan State has been to 5 of the last 15 Final Fours, Duke has only been to 2. I think Sparty is in.
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i disagree. playing to play in the national championship shouldn't qualify you as elite.
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i disagree. playing to play in the national championship shouldn't qualify you as elite.
I disagree with your disagreeing
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I dont think you can base this metric off of titles alone or you would have some random teams on this list, i think its more about consistently being in the running year in and year out. I mean San Fransisco, Oklahoma a&m, and Cincinnati have as many titles as KU but obviously you cant put them in the same argument. I would say the true 5 blue bloods are
Duke
Kentucky
Kansas
UCLA
North Carolina
HM
Indiana
Uconn
Villanova
Michigan State
Florida
Louisville (before the titles are vacated)
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in this thread, kslim makes a huge ass out of himself
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Redo the statistics to incorporate the last 30 years and lets see how it looks.
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Redo the statistics to incorporate the last 30 years and lets see how it looks.
top 5 are
duke with 5
UNC with 4
UK with 3
Uconn with 3
florida with 2
bunch of teams with 1
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Bluest aka True Bluebloods and will always be bluebloods
Kansas
Kentucky
North Carolina
Duke: Currently =/> the top group but without the historical significance
UCLA/Indiana: historical significance, but current has beens
UCONN, L’Ville, Michigan St, Cuse, Ohio State, Michigan: a rung below for one reason or another
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LOL at UCLA
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Redo the statistics to incorporate the last 30 years and lets see how it looks.
Interesting decision on that 30 years.
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Redo the statistics to incorporate the last 30 years and lets see how it looks.
Interesting decision on that 30 years.
My 30-year comment was random, but I now see your concern. Lets to 40 years for Spracs.
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Redo the statistics to incorporate the last 30 years and lets see how it looks.
Interesting decision on that 30 years.
Pretty transparent but really who gives a crap about 1988? When having discussions of this nature, anything beyond the current generation isn't particularly relevant.
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yes, nothing is more relevant than short shorts/no 3 point line era basketball
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Yeah, I'm not really trying to inject myself in the conversation, for obvious reasons. But I do join MIR's opinion regarding UCLA.
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Yeah you're both right about UCLA, they might as well have 1 title instead of 11 since most of the world's population has died of old age since the end of their 60's-70's run.
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Kentucky only won 1 title over like a 30-some year stretch before being good off and on over the last 20 or so years.
UCLA only needs to win another one and they're the bluest of blues and it's not close. 2 and they're light years ahead of everyone. If Indiana can win 1 or 2 more, they're up there too.
Obviously their programs are in no position to do that, but the right coaching hire can make it happen quickly (appears neither will make the needed hire, though)
To me, there are currently 3 True Blue Bloods, I'll categorize the others.
True Blue: PEOPLE KNOW
Kentucky: 8 titles
North Carolina: 6 titles
Duke: 5 titles
Faded Blue: No recent success, need a resurrection
UCLA: 11 titles
Indiana: 5 titles
Sky Blue: Not enough historical or recent success, but you know they're there.
Louisville: 3 nattys, 1 in the last 25 years.
Kansas: 3 nattys, 1 in the last 30 years.
Michigan St: 2 nattys, going for 3rd this year.
Bright Blue: Mostly recent success, high school recruits see them.
Villanova: 3 titles, 2 in the last 4 years.
UCONN: 4 titles in the last 20 years.
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I mean San Fransisco, Oklahoma a&m, and Cincinnati have as many titles as KU but obviously you cant put them in the same argument.
Well, for beginners, that's just not true at all. Those teams all have 2, and KU has 3.
But anyway, there have been what, over 80 tourney's now? Blue Blood means Elite, and teams with 3 or less tourney titles are not what I would consider Elite.
Even without recent success, UCLA has won over 13% of NCAA tourneys. That's crazy to think about.
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Guys KU has 5 what are you talking about?
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I mean San Fransisco, Oklahoma a&m, and Cincinnati have as many titles as KU but obviously you cant put them in the same argument.
Well, for beginners, that's just not true at all. Those teams all have 2, and KU has 3.
But anyway, there have been what, over 80 tourney's now? Blue Blood means Elite, and teams with 3 or less tourney titles are not what I would consider Elite.
Even without recent success, UCLA has won over 13% of NCAA tourneys. That's crazy to think about.
we are obviously using different websites for these stats. point remains and i agree with you for the most part
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Another year down, so it's time to discuss who the blue bloods are again.
Obvious choices?
UCLA: 11 titles
Kentucky: 8 titles
North Carolina: 6 titles
Duke: 5 titles
On the edge?
Villanova: 3 titles, 2 in the last 5 years.
UCONN: 4 titles in the last 20 years.
Indiana: 5 titles, 0 in the last 25 years.
Not close, but could be taken seriously if they can win 1 or 2 titles soon:
Louisville: 3 nattys, 1 in the last 25 years.
Kansas: 3 nattys, 1 in the last 30 years.
Thoughts?
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Blue Bloods -
UK
UNC
DUKE
KU
UCONN
Faded Glory Blue Bloods -
Indiana
UCLA
On the cusp of being a blue blood -
Villanova
Louisville
Michigan State
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Both UCLA and KU have 1 title in the last 30 years.
What makes one so faded, and one a true blue blood?
Hell, Louisville has 3 with one being as recent as 7 tourneys ago.
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Both UCLA and KU have 1 title in the last 30 years.
What makes one so faded, and one a true blue blood?
Hell, Louisville has 3 with one being as recent as 7 tourneys ago.
2 titles, actually. 2008 and 2020. And if you go back 32 years, then that makes 3.
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Both UCLA and KU have 1 title in the last 30 years.
What makes one so faded, and one a true blue blood?
Hell, Louisville has 3 with one being as recent as 7 tourneys ago.
2 titles, actually. 2008 and 2020. And if you go back 32 years, then that makes 3.
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Both UCLA and KU have 1 title in the last 30 years.
What makes one so faded, and one a true blue blood?
Hell, Louisville has 3 with one being as recent as 7 tourneys ago.
KU is a contender to win the title every year and has made the elite 8 half of the years Self has been their coach. UCLA/Louisville.....not so much.
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I'd put Gonzaga and KU in the same category. Always contenders going into the tourney, elite eights here and there, but never get titles (between the two of them there have been 160 tourneys and they've won 1.66% of them).
I guess I value tourney titles for blue blood status.
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If you're going to be in an elite club, especially in a sport with no parity, at all, you gotta have ships. Butler has recent back to back elite 8s, that can't be a blue blood metric.
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Locked In:
UCLA: 11 titles
Kentucky: 8 titles
North Carolina: 6 titles
Duke: 5 titles
UCONN: 5 titles
Kind of forgotten, but close?:
Indiana: 5 titles, 0 in the last 25 years.
Kansas: 4 titles, 2 in the last 35 years.
Villanova: 3 titles, 2 recently.
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Locked In:
UCLA: 11 titles
Kentucky: 8 titles
North Carolina: 6 titles
Duke: 5 titles
UCONN: 5 titles
Kind of forgotten, but close?:
Indiana: 5 titles, 0 in the last 25 years.
Kansas: 4 titles, 2 in the last 35 years.
Villanova: 3 titles, 2 recently.
Point of personal privilege, but Kansas has 3 in the last 35 years.
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I should’ve waited 25 hours.
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Pretty crazy that UCONN has won as many nattys as Duke and Indiana now.
Vilanova's 2018 team sticks out in my mind as one of the greatest ever. So many weapons on that team. How far back do you have to go to find another team on that level?
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Best school of the century by far.
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Don't lose track, KU has a couple of Helms titles in there too.
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Don't lose track, KU has a couple of Helms titles in there too.
KU also has a participation title for the 2020 season that they claim since they totally would have won if not for COVID.
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Ucla and especially indiana can gtfo of the conversation, blue bloods don’t go 25+ years without winning a title. They’re has beens.
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Ucla and especially indiana can gtfo of the conversation, blue bloods don’t go 25+ years without winning a title. They’re has beens.
Indiana hasn't even been to an Elite Eight since 2002 under Mike Davis. And that was their only Elite Eight since 1993. At least UCLA has been to a few final fours over the last few years
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Another knock on ucla is they’ve won only one title outside of their 12 year stretch of domination from 1964-75.
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There’s really only one blue blood left in college basketball… uconn
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Ucla and especially indiana can gtfo of the conversation, blue bloods don’t go 25+ years without winning a title. They’re has beens.
Indiana hasn't even been to an Elite Eight since 2002 under Mike Davis. And that was their only Elite Eight since 1993. At least UCLA has been to a few final fours over the last few years
Holy moly
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Phog.net is having several very pointed conversations about this topic RN.
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It's hilarious that anyone cares who is or isn't a blueblood
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Phog.net is having several very pointed conversations about this topic RN.
Do NOT read the Phog Hoops Board (unless for trolling purposes only). It will make you more stupider.
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There’s really only one blue blood left in college basketball… uconn
In the 32 years I've been alive, UCONN/Duke/UNC/Kentucky have won 53% of the National Championships.
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On twitter, some Phoggies were wanting to be very clear that UCLA's titles are too old and UConn's are too new. You can have fewer titles, as long as they're spread out appropriately.
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Phog.net is having several very pointed conversations about this topic RN.
Do NOT read the Phog Hoops Board (unless for trolling purposes only). It will make you more stupider.
Syntax and grammar, Spracne, mastering it will earn you a lot more respect.
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Phog.net is having several very pointed conversations about this topic RN.
Do NOT read the Phog Hoops Board (unless for trolling purposes only). It will make you more stupider.
Syntax and grammar, Spracne, mastering it will earn you a lot more respect.
Like Mozart, a Maestro is free to break the supposed rules for intentional effect.
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Good grief, this topic was even on the local non-sports talk radio this afternoon.