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Title: EMERGENCY!
Post by: catastrophe on February 14, 2019, 04:57:22 PM
This is not a drill.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/02/14/politics/donald-trump-wall-funding-bill/index.html

Hopefully Trump can steer this country out of this dire state.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sys on February 14, 2019, 08:31:58 PM
not great.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 14, 2019, 08:36:26 PM
I think the best part is Pelosi warning that the next Dem pres could use this precedent to grab guns. :lol: Go for it.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Brock Landers on February 14, 2019, 08:49:44 PM
Very disappointed, thought this was a thread about the greatest firefighter/EMT show of all time.

(https://www.goldenglobes.com/sites/default/files/styles/portrait_medium/public/tv-shows/emergency.jpg?itok=TE8sPCqQ)
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 14, 2019, 08:59:22 PM
Very disappointed, thought this was a thread about the greatest firefighter/EMT show of all time.

(https://www.goldenglobes.com/sites/default/files/styles/portrait_medium/public/tv-shows/emergency.jpg?itok=TE8sPCqQ)

Since it’s flu season I thought it was about this:

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190215/8e24118de5b3d0b5f17b0be30921d457.jpg)
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: KST8FAN on February 14, 2019, 09:03:38 PM
Start an IV with ringers lactate and transport immediately.

Tom

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Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: puniraptor on February 14, 2019, 09:09:28 PM
i hope he follows through, this is a premier opportunity for him to get devastatingly and permanently humiliated by congress
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: bucket on February 14, 2019, 09:15:16 PM

 :bwpopcorn:
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: 8manpick on February 14, 2019, 09:22:06 PM
I think the best part is Pelosi warning that the next Dem pres could use this precedent to grab guns. :lol: Go for it.
I mean, why not? It’s an equally ludicrous premise.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sys on February 14, 2019, 09:22:49 PM
i hope he follows through, this is a premier opportunity for him to get devastatingly and permanently humiliated by congress

an ineffectual resolution that he can veto?
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 14, 2019, 09:31:49 PM
I think the best part is Pelosi warning that the next Dem pres could use this precedent to grab guns. :lol: Go for it.
I mean, why not? It’s an equally ludicrous premise.

I wouldn't act like the premises are equal. I mean American citizens are actually dying because of Pelosi's emergency. We are living at a higher rate due to Trump's.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: puniraptor on February 14, 2019, 09:39:17 PM
i hope he follows through, this is a premier opportunity for him to get devastatingly and permanently humiliated by congress

an ineffectual resolution that he can veto?

i guess i didnt pay enought attention to the process and an override is probably impossible

see you in court, i guess
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: catastrophe on February 14, 2019, 10:22:42 PM
Yes it will be a bench beat down this round.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 15, 2019, 06:24:08 AM
I think the best part is Pelosi warning that the next Dem pres could use this precedent to grab guns. :lol: Go for it.
I mean, why not? It’s an equally ludicrous premise.

First, it isn’t an equally ludicrous premises. The government has an obligation to enforce our borders. The government also has an obligation to not infringe upon constitutional rights. So one action would be in keeping with gov responsibility while the other might be contra (depending upon what they do).

But I was referring to the politics of it. Gun control isn’t as popular with people who actually vote as Dems think (or at least publicly acknowledge). Declaring an emergency to confiscate or significantly reduce access to guns would be an absolute political disaster for the Dems. I’m pretty sure they know that. It’s the emptiest of threats.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on February 15, 2019, 07:25:16 AM
Wall national emergency has 30% support, it's even less popular than wall.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on February 15, 2019, 07:36:32 AM
I agree with kdub tho, a gun emergency is stupid (well all these political emergencies are stupid). Healthcare or climate change fit the action must better.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: 8manpick on February 15, 2019, 07:46:27 AM
The point is not that a gun control emergency wouldn’t be stupid. It would be really stupid!  So would declaring a national emergency to build something we’ve gotten by without for 174 years without much problem.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 07:52:05 AM
I'm enjoying the "not much problem" talking point as deadly blue oxy from Mexico claims more victims every day and is the new drug of choice of Mexican Drug Cartels who control vast swaths of the country to the South . . . and as more mass graves are found closer and closer to the border.

Oh and congrats on this new sponsorship liberalization LibDerp Nation . . . let's just give the sex/human traffickers a free run and call it good.



Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: 8manpick on February 15, 2019, 07:53:17 AM
Wall won’t fix it, but you know that
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: 8manpick on February 15, 2019, 07:54:18 AM
The problem I have is more with the absurd presidential power grab, not the wall itself though
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 07:54:41 AM
Wall won’t fix it, but you know that

Wall has to come with much technological counter measures as well.   But keep on pointing to studies from policy wonks shoving paper around on their desk who haven't stepped out of their cubicles in months.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: catastrophe on February 15, 2019, 08:12:33 AM
Yeah, I don’t think a wall emergency will hold up, but if it does, the next dem president will absolutely declare a climate emergency which is 1000x more legit.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Phil Titola on February 15, 2019, 08:45:10 AM
Wall won’t fix it, but you know that

Wall has to come with much technological counter measures as well.   But keep on pointing to studies from policy wonks shoving paper around on their desk who haven't stepped out of their cubicles in months.

Why would one risk running their drugs across unwalled border sections or putting their drugs on people doing so when it's so easy to run them through the legal points of entry by the truckload?

Freaking rubes believe anything this doink tells you. Really embarrassing.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on February 15, 2019, 08:47:00 AM
Legalizing drugs would do much more to lessen cartel control than wall
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: ChiCat on February 15, 2019, 08:52:11 AM
Wall won’t fix it, but you know that

Wall has to come with much technological counter measures as well.   But keep on pointing to studies from policy wonks shoving paper around on their desk who haven't stepped out of their cubicles in months.


The policy wonks are definitely unqualified.  Best let super qualified Trump handle it.

Will probably be more effective to stack singles on the border for how much of this wall will actually get built.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 08:56:57 AM
Wall won’t fix it, but you know that

Wall has to come with much technological counter measures as well.   But keep on pointing to studies from policy wonks shoving paper around on their desk who haven't stepped out of their cubicles in months.

Why would one risk running their drugs across unwalled border sections or putting their drugs on people doing so when it's so easy to run them through the legal points of entry by the truckload?

Freaking rubes believe anything this doink tells you. Really embarrassing.

The hilarious part of your shitty take is that that DHS only knows what's crossing the borders in terms of what they find/catch.   Anecdotally, Federal employee bro relayed an internal security memo to USGA/USDA remote near Southern border field employees that reminded them not to approach border crosser's as they are very likely to be engaged in illegal activities (beyond the illegal activity of crossing the boarder illegally) . . . and to not approach their lookouts stationed on the U.S. side.   Rather report to DHS and again, to stay clear, as DHS response times in some cases are calculated in hours. 

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 08:59:10 AM
Wall won’t fix it, but you know that

Wall has to come with much technological counter measures as well.   But keep on pointing to studies from policy wonks shoving paper around on their desk who haven't stepped out of their cubicles in months.


The policy wonks are definitely unqualified.  Best let super qualified Trump handle it.

Will probably be more effective to stack singles on the border for how much of this wall will actually get built.

Yes, because we all know the President has no access to those who actually protect the border.  Your take is  :jerk: :rolleyes: :jerk:
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on February 15, 2019, 09:02:56 AM
I'm not sure the "access to information" argument is valid with trump, he doesn't even believe north korea can launch missiles cause putin told him so.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: 8manpick on February 15, 2019, 09:04:09 AM
Dax, do you think that drugs are here mostly because they are coming across an insecure border? Is there some fantasy that once we secure the borders, Americans won’t love drugs?
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 15, 2019, 09:05:02 AM
The point is not that a gun control emergency wouldn’t be stupid. It would be really stupid!  So would declaring a national emergency to build something we’ve gotten by without for 174 years without much problem.

Don’t we already have hundreds of miles of wall and other barriers along the southern border?
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on February 15, 2019, 09:06:31 AM
Yes, and congress just approved funding for a little more. Kind of proof right there that there is no out of control emergency requiring executive action
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 15, 2019, 09:07:24 AM
Yeah, I don’t think a wall emergency will hold up, but if it does, the next dem president will absolutely declare a climate emergency which is 1000x more legit.

Oooh even better! Declare an emergency to confiscate people’s cars, lightbulbs, working toilets and showerheads, etc. Thats just the ticket for electoral success! :lol:
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on February 15, 2019, 09:09:49 AM
More confiscation obsession, good grief kdub
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: 8manpick on February 15, 2019, 09:11:04 AM
The point is not that a gun control emergency wouldn’t be stupid. It would be really stupid!  So would declaring a national emergency to build something we’ve gotten by without for 174 years without much problem.

Don’t we already have hundreds of miles of wall and other barriers along the southern border?
Sure.  What was the process we went through to build those? Unilateral declaration of a national emergency to appropriate funds and eminent domain to seize land?
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 09:13:51 AM
Dax, do you think that drugs are here mostly because they are coming across an insecure border? Is there some fantasy that once we secure the borders, Americans won’t love drugs?

No, but the drumbeat for what is essentially an unsecure/open border by LibDerp Nation would be absolutely hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.   This is all about politics for you guys.

Sadly, the mega corrupt governments to our South are not capable of controlling their own territories.   It would almost be better for our national security if there was strong armed dictators with huge police states at their disposal then the mega corrupt banana republics that are there now . . . which is extremely sad to say.



Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: ChiCat on February 15, 2019, 09:14:40 AM
Republicans are still the only ones talking about confiscating all the guns.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: ChiCat on February 15, 2019, 09:16:14 AM
Wall won’t fix it, but you know that

Wall has to come with much technological counter measures as well.   But keep on pointing to studies from policy wonks shoving paper around on their desk who haven't stepped out of their cubicles in months.


The policy wonks are definitely unqualified.  Best let super qualified Trump handle it.

Will probably be more effective to stack singles on the border for how much of this wall will actually get built.

Yes, because we all know the President has no access to those who actually protect the border.  Your take is  :jerk: :rolleyes: :jerk:

I mean, the Texas GOP rep on the border probably has better access to those who protect it and he thinks the wall is stupid.  The incredible thing, Trump has dug in so far on the wall thing he probably could get more money for actually useful stuff but instead wants to waste it.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on February 15, 2019, 09:18:17 AM
Republicans are still the only ones talking about confiscating all the guns.

The ironic part is civil forfeiture is likely the largest government confiscation effort in the country and it's extremely popular with the law and order kdub crowd.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 09:23:04 AM
Wall won’t fix it, but you know that

Wall has to come with much technological counter measures as well.   But keep on pointing to studies from policy wonks shoving paper around on their desk who haven't stepped out of their cubicles in months.


The policy wonks are definitely unqualified.  Best let super qualified Trump handle it.

Will probably be more effective to stack singles on the border for how much of this wall will actually get built.

Yes, because we all know the President has no access to those who actually protect the border.  Your take is  :jerk: :rolleyes: :jerk:

I mean, the Texas GOP rep on the border probably has better access to those who protect it and he thinks the wall is stupid.  The incredible thing, Trump has dug in so far on the wall thing he probably could get more money for actually useful stuff but instead wants to waste it.

It's :lol: to read any LibDerp talking about government waste.   

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: 8manpick on February 15, 2019, 09:23:14 AM
Dax, do you think that drugs are here mostly because they are coming across an insecure border? Is there some fantasy that once we secure the borders, Americans won’t love drugs?

No, but the drumbeat for what is essentially an unsecure/open border by LibDerp Nation would be absolutely hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.   This is all about politics for you guys.

Sadly, the mega corrupt governments to our South are not capable of controlling their own territories.   It would almost be better for our national security if there was strong armed dictators with huge police states at their disposal then the mega corrupt banana republics that are there now . . . which is extremely sad to say.
Well you answered the question with the first word, then rambled about unrelated stuff. Thanks.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 09:24:03 AM
Dax, do you think that drugs are here mostly because they are coming across an insecure border? Is there some fantasy that once we secure the borders, Americans won’t love drugs?

No, but the drumbeat for what is essentially an unsecure/open border by LibDerp Nation would be absolutely hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.   This is all about politics for you guys.

Sadly, the mega corrupt governments to our South are not capable of controlling their own territories.   It would almost be better for our national security if there was strong armed dictators with huge police states at their disposal then the mega corrupt banana republics that are there now . . . which is extremely sad to say.
Well you answered the question with the first word, then rambled about unrelated stuff. Thanks.

Tapout noted. Thanks
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: ChiCat on February 15, 2019, 09:31:43 AM

It's :lol: to read any LibDerp talking about government waste.   


As with any dax talking point, Trump can do all the things he hated because Obama did something or Hillary would have.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 15, 2019, 09:35:46 AM
Republicans are still the only ones talking about confiscating all the guns.

The ironic part is civil forfeiture is likely the largest government confiscation effort in the country and it's extremely popular with the law and order kdub crowd.

For the record, I think civil forfeiture is highly subject to abuse and needs to be curtailed. I’m a big due process of law guy. I’d be a card carrying member of the ACLU if they hadn’t been coopted by progressives.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 09:37:01 AM

It's :lol: to read any LibDerp talking about government waste.   


As with any dax talking point, Trump can do all the things he hated because Obama did something or Hillary would have.

Both Obama and Hillary talked repeatedly (when it was politically expedient) about border security and immigration reform.   As Senators they got little to nothing done on both when it came time to act, as President, Obama was a woeful failure on both . . . with, what in retrospect was the most whack-a-doo policies, a stupid combination of detainment, deportation and catch and release.   Unfortunately, the useful idiots of LibDerp Nation had nothing to say at the time about detainment/deportation/geo-relocation (into the hands of drug cartels)/interrogation and return (into the hands of Drug Cartels who thought they were spies).



Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 15, 2019, 09:42:19 AM
More confiscation obsession, good grief kdub

I’m (probably) exaggerating, of course. The point I’m trying to make is that comparing the use of emergency power by pubs, to secure our border, to a future progressive president’s use of emergency power to further the progressive agenda, is silly. I expect that any such progressive actions would be wildly unpopular and politically damaging. I don’t think the same is true for increasing border security, no matter what the results of selectively worded and sampled polling might suggest to you.

People like Occassional Cortex may be too stupid or radical to care, the folks who are still in charge of the Dem party know better. It’s an empty threat.
Title: EMERGENCY!
Post by: catastrophe on February 15, 2019, 09:47:50 AM
Yeah, I don’t think a wall emergency will hold up, but if it does, the next dem president will absolutely declare a climate emergency which is 1000x more legit.

Oooh even better! Declare an emergency to confiscate people’s cars, lightbulbs, working toilets and showerheads, etc. Thats just the ticket for electoral success! :lol:

Or maybe just dip into the massive military budget like Trump wants to do and start funding more green energy projects.

And/or use eminent domain (also like Trump wants to do) for setting up large solar & wind farms.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: 8manpick on February 15, 2019, 09:52:19 AM
Dax, do you think that drugs are here mostly because they are coming across an insecure border? Is there some fantasy that once we secure the borders, Americans won’t love drugs?

No, but the drumbeat for what is essentially an unsecure/open border by LibDerp Nation would be absolutely hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.   This is all about politics for you guys.

Sadly, the mega corrupt governments to our South are not capable of controlling their own territories.   It would almost be better for our national security if there was strong armed dictators with huge police states at their disposal then the mega corrupt banana republics that are there now . . . which is extremely sad to say.
Well you answered the question with the first word, then rambled about unrelated stuff. Thanks.

Tapout noted. Thanks
Which non-sequitur would you like me to address?  The part where I’m a member of “LibDerp nation”? I guess if you’ve defined it as anything to the left of Ann Coulter, sure, but I’ve rarely voted Democrat and always show up as an outlier on the political quizzes that are posted here. Maybe we should talk about your diatribe expressing Trumpian lust for powerful dictators leading police states?

And of course it’s politics, the most dangerous threat to The United States is currently the president. We would all be wise to oppose him at every turn.  Especially when he tries to seize additional power.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Phil Titola on February 15, 2019, 09:56:35 AM
This presser is something.

"I'm going to sign a national emergency. Great thing"
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: catastrophe on February 15, 2019, 09:57:58 AM
Emergencies are great, and so easy to win.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 15, 2019, 09:58:57 AM
using executive power to seize private citizen's land to then throw billions of dollars at a dubious solution to a premise that is mostly supported due to scare tactics ripped from a Netflix movie will be the rube's defining moment.

I cannot wait
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: catastrophe on February 15, 2019, 09:59:32 AM
I heard today that the house can force a vote on whether to uphold the national emergency. Unlikely to go anywhere but will be interesting to see which pubs if any don’t want this mark in their record.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 10:08:53 AM
Dax, do you think that drugs are here mostly because they are coming across an insecure border? Is there some fantasy that once we secure the borders, Americans won’t love drugs?

No, but the drumbeat for what is essentially an unsecure/open border by LibDerp Nation would be absolutely hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.   This is all about politics for you guys.

Sadly, the mega corrupt governments to our South are not capable of controlling their own territories.   It would almost be better for our national security if there was strong armed dictators with huge police states at their disposal then the mega corrupt banana republics that are there now . . . which is extremely sad to say.
Well you answered the question with the first word, then rambled about unrelated stuff. Thanks.

Tapout noted. Thanks
Which non-sequitur would you like me to address?  The part where I’m a member of “LibDerp nation”? I guess if you’ve defined it as anything to the left of Ann Coulter, sure, but I’ve rarely voted Democrat and always show up as an outlier on the political quizzes that are posted here. Maybe we should talk about your diatribe expressing Trumpian lust for powerful dictators leading police states?

And of course it’s politics, the most dangerous threat to The United States is currently the president. We would all be wise to oppose him at every turn.  Especially when he tries to seize additional power.

 :lol: at the most dangerous threat to the United States being the president.   The president that wants to extract the United States from wars that LibDerp Nation and play every side to fit your personal agenda types such as yourself, used to vehemently oppose?  The president that's tired of sons and daughters being sent to far off lands to nation build and die in countries that don't want us, where we still spend billions of billions of dollars to build their infrastructure while ignoring our own?  That president?

The president that has repeatedly called for Congress to produce real immigration reform?  That president?   But Congress refuses to do so merely because they don't want Trump to have any political victories and of which a large part want to see an open and dangerous border so Trump can't fulfill a campaign promise? 

The president who wants to talk to North Korea and try to bring peace to the Korean peninsula but because LibDerp Nation and people like can't stand the thought of Trump building political cache you continually oppose and mock?  Apparently preferring that North Korea continue lob missiles over the heads of our Allies and continue to act in a bellicose manner? 

A president that actually wants to get along with the country that has the 2nd largest nuclear stock pile in the world?   But oh my garsh Trump is just a Russian puppet!  Yet it can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt the real bendover cuck boy to Russia was Lib Hero Barry Obama . . . while Trump moves to move nearly every Russian client state away from the Russian sphere of influence and into the U.S. sphere of influence . . . except the one that's in the midst of the greatest humanitarian crisis of our time where it's better to actually bring peace, rather than the war that Barry Obama helped bring.  That president?





Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dlew12 on February 15, 2019, 10:10:22 AM
using executive power to seize private citizen's land to then throw billions of dollars at a dubious solution to a premise that is mostly supported due to scare tactics ripped from a Netflix movie will be the rube's defining moment.

I cannot wait
Which congress expressly opposes. 

So much for the party of limited government.  It's crazy that the Dubs and Daxs of the world have been conned/memed into viewing this kind of governance as favorable/neutral.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 10:12:52 AM
using executive power to seize private citizen's land to then throw billions of dollars at a dubious solution to a premise that is mostly supported due to scare tactics ripped from a Netflix movie will be the rube's defining moment.

I cannot wait
Which congress expressly opposes. 

So much for the party of limited government.

So now we can chalk LibDerp Nation up to opposing government land grabs?   Multiple decades late to that table, but welcome none-the-less I suppose.

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dlew12 on February 15, 2019, 10:14:46 AM
using executive power to seize private citizen's land to then throw billions of dollars at a dubious solution to a premise that is mostly supported due to scare tactics ripped from a Netflix movie will be the rube's defining moment.

I cannot wait
Which congress expressly opposes. 

So much for the party of limited government.

So now we can chalk LibDerp Nation up to opposing government land grabs?   Multiple decades late to that table, but welcome none-the-less I suppose.
Good grief.  I'm not a lib, dax.

I don't like overreaching uses of imminent domain.  Just because Don has an R next to his name and slashes taxes doesn't mean I have to rah rah him for doing bullshit like this.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: bucket on February 15, 2019, 10:16:10 AM
This presser is something.

"I'm going to sign a national emergency. Great thing"


I wish I could have watched it.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 10:18:14 AM
In some regards I really miss President Teleprompter.   
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: ChiCat on February 15, 2019, 10:20:45 AM
This presser is something.

"I'm going to sign a national emergency. Great thing"


I wish I could have watched it.

The transcripts are my favorite part.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 15, 2019, 10:22:25 AM
using executive power to seize private citizen's land to then throw billions of dollars at a dubious solution to a premise that is mostly supported due to scare tactics ripped from a Netflix movie will be the rube's defining moment.

I cannot wait
Which congress expressly opposes. 

So much for the party of limited government.

So now we can chalk LibDerp Nation up to opposing government land grabs?   Multiple decades late to that table, but welcome none-the-less I suppose.

I've always been opposed to it.  It's weird as hell to see you so in support of the federal government seizing private citizens land to build a ridiculous wall.  What if they won't give it up?  Arrest them?  Take by force?

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 15, 2019, 10:26:11 AM
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: bucket on February 15, 2019, 10:28:31 AM

 :buh-bye:
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dlew12 on February 15, 2019, 10:30:13 AM
using executive power to seize private citizen's land to then throw billions of dollars at a dubious solution to a premise that is mostly supported due to scare tactics ripped from a Netflix movie will be the rube's defining moment.

I cannot wait
Which congress expressly opposes. 

So much for the party of limited government.

So now we can chalk LibDerp Nation up to opposing government land grabs?   Multiple decades late to that table, but welcome none-the-less I suppose.

I've always been opposed to it.  It's weird as hell to see you so in support of the federal government seizing private citizens land to build a ridiculous wall.  What if they won't give it up?  Arrest them?  Take by force?
It's mindblowing the lack of self-awareness on display here.  Dax - take a moment and think about what you're supporting.  You're arguing that the president is right to declare a national emergency -- not because of any existential security threat -- but instead to give him the power to seize land from private citizens to construct an expensive and dubious solution to a dramatized problem.  And you're calling me a lib?

It's OK (and good!) to say "wait a minute, this isn't what we agreed to!" You're still allowed to support the party and even the president, while recognizing that this move is complete, complete bullshit.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 15, 2019, 10:34:01 AM
Imminent domain has always been fairly popular with both parties. It's also very necessary for building any sort of public works project.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on February 15, 2019, 10:43:20 AM
More confiscation obsession, good grief kdub

I’m (probably) exaggerating, of course. The point I’m trying to make is that comparing the use of emergency power by pubs, to secure our border, to a future progressive president’s use of emergency power to further the progressive agenda, is silly. I expect that any such progressive actions would be wildly unpopular and politically damaging. I don’t think the same is true for increasing border security, no matter what the results of selectively worded and sampled polling might suggest to you.

People like Occassional Cortex may be too stupid or radical to care, the folks who are still in charge of the Dem party know better. It’s an empty threat.

I know you never believe any polling, but anecdotally TexAgs (where you will be banned if you don't fall somewhere to the right of Ted cruz) is at least 1/3rd against this national emergency nonsense.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dlew12 on February 15, 2019, 10:49:43 AM
Imminent domain has always been fairly popular with both parties. It's also very necessary for building any sort of public works project.
The Republican Platform literally opposes expansion of eminent domain. 

For something as dodgy and novel as building a border wall to curtail illegal immigration, you would think the Republican viewpoint would err on the side of protecting individuals' property rights.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Phil Titola on February 15, 2019, 10:50:19 AM
"I didn't need to do this"

Definition of an national emergency
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: LickNeckey on February 15, 2019, 10:54:38 AM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/republicans-warned-the-left-would-gut-the-constitution-trump-did-it-instead

man remember when pubs loved the constitution and hated executive overreach

those were the days...
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 15, 2019, 11:04:54 AM
so who will take these citizen's land by force?  Can the president mobilize the US Army to use its weapons against our citizens to take their private property?
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 15, 2019, 11:08:19 AM
Imminent domain has always been fairly popular with both parties. It's also very necessary for building any sort of public works project.
The Republican Platform literally opposes expansion of eminent domain. 

For something as dodgy and novel as building a border wall to curtail illegal immigration, you would think the Republican viewpoint would err on the side of protecting individuals' property rights.

I don't think this would qualify as an expansion of imminent domain. If I were to support building the wall, I would also have to support paying every landowner fair market value for their land through condemnation, just like governments do all the time for highway expansions. It's not inconsistent with the republican ideology in the slightest.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Phil Titola on February 15, 2019, 11:11:32 AM
Maybe this is what we've been keeping all these guns for? Someone organize this militia!
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 11:14:02 AM
using executive power to seize private citizen's land to then throw billions of dollars at a dubious solution to a premise that is mostly supported due to scare tactics ripped from a Netflix movie will be the rube's defining moment.

I cannot wait
Which congress expressly opposes. 

So much for the party of limited government.

So now we can chalk LibDerp Nation up to opposing government land grabs?   Multiple decades late to that table, but welcome none-the-less I suppose.

I've always been opposed to it.  It's weird as hell to see you so in support of the federal government seizing private citizens land to build a ridiculous wall.  What if they won't give it up?  Arrest them?  Take by force?
It's mindblowing the lack of self-awareness on display here.  Dax - take a moment and think about what you're supporting.  You're arguing that the president is right to declare a national emergency -- not because of any existential security threat -- but instead to give him the power to seize land from private citizens to construct an expensive and dubious solution to a dramatized problem.  And you're calling me a lib?

It's OK (and good!) to say "wait a minute, this isn't what we agreed to!" You're still allowed to support the party and even the president, while recognizing that this move is complete, complete bullshit.

The only reason you're opposing this, is because 1.  It's Trump 2.  You want an open border.

First of all, the border which is the demarcation point for a nations sovereign territory absolutely falls under the purview of the Government, anything to the contrary is laughable.   The fact that LibDerp Nation is trying to say a border and border security wall falls into the category of Bill or Barry stroking a pen and grabbing hundreds of thousands of acres of land in Utah or Nevada is comical in every respect.


Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 15, 2019, 11:17:09 AM
I had not considered that the wall will not require the use of ED.  Still pretty sure that there was a promise that Mexico would pay but the rubes who believed that can reconcile that in their little heads.

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: LickNeckey on February 15, 2019, 11:21:15 AM
using executive power to seize private citizen's land to then throw billions of dollars at a dubious solution to a premise that is mostly supported due to scare tactics ripped from a Netflix movie will be the rube's defining moment.

I cannot wait
Which congress expressly opposes. 

So much for the party of limited government.

So now we can chalk LibDerp Nation up to opposing government land grabs?   Multiple decades late to that table, but welcome none-the-less I suppose.

I've always been opposed to it.  It's weird as hell to see you so in support of the federal government seizing private citizens land to build a ridiculous wall.  What if they won't give it up?  Arrest them?  Take by force?
It's mindblowing the lack of self-awareness on display here.  Dax - take a moment and think about what you're supporting.  You're arguing that the president is right to declare a national emergency -- not because of any existential security threat -- but instead to give him the power to seize land from private citizens to construct an expensive and dubious solution to a dramatized problem.  And you're calling me a lib?

It's OK (and good!) to say "wait a minute, this isn't what we agreed to!" You're still allowed to support the party and even the president, while recognizing that this move is complete, complete bullshit.

The only reason you're opposing this, is because 1.  It's Trump 2.  You want an open border.

First of all, the border which is the demarcation point for a nations sovereign territory absolutely falls under the purview of the Government, anything to the contrary is laughable.   The fact that LibDerp Nation is trying to say a border and border security wall falls into the category of Bill or Barry stroking a pen and grabbing hundreds of thousands of acres of land in Utah or Nevada is comical in every respect.

now tell me why you support the use of the "national emergency" declarartion in this instance..

 :bwpopcorn:
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: ChiCat on February 15, 2019, 11:27:25 AM
You can tell someone is losing an argument when they tell the other side what they believe. 

"I'm not going to argue with what you're saying, I'm going to argue with what I say you believe!"
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 11:29:21 AM
using executive power to seize private citizen's land to then throw billions of dollars at a dubious solution to a premise that is mostly supported due to scare tactics ripped from a Netflix movie will be the rube's defining moment.

I cannot wait
Which congress expressly opposes. 

So much for the party of limited government.

So now we can chalk LibDerp Nation up to opposing government land grabs?   Multiple decades late to that table, but welcome none-the-less I suppose.

I've always been opposed to it.  It's weird as hell to see you so in support of the federal government seizing private citizens land to build a ridiculous wall.  What if they won't give it up?  Arrest them?  Take by force?
It's mindblowing the lack of self-awareness on display here.  Dax - take a moment and think about what you're supporting.  You're arguing that the president is right to declare a national emergency -- not because of any existential security threat -- but instead to give him the power to seize land from private citizens to construct an expensive and dubious solution to a dramatized problem.  And you're calling me a lib?

It's OK (and good!) to say "wait a minute, this isn't what we agreed to!" You're still allowed to support the party and even the president, while recognizing that this move is complete, complete bullshit.

The only reason you're opposing this, is because 1.  It's Trump 2.  You want an open border.

First of all, the border which is the demarcation point for a nations sovereign territory absolutely falls under the purview of the Government, anything to the contrary is laughable.   The fact that LibDerp Nation is trying to say a border and border security wall falls into the category of Bill or Barry stroking a pen and grabbing hundreds of thousands of acres of land in Utah or Nevada is comical in every respect.

now tell me why you support the use of the "national emergency" declarartion in this instance..

 :bwpopcorn:

Lotta flailing going in LibDerp Nation about all of this . . .not unusual at all, but still very  :lol:

You don't want it dubbed as a national emergency because you want open borders.

Any other modern nation facing the prospect of thousands upon thousands of undocumented/unknown people crossing it's borders at once (nearly 2,000 at once at one single point the other day) would classify the situation as a national emergency.    Particularly knowing that those people crossed through millions of miles of territory not controlled by any government and rife with a powerful national/international criminal enterprises.

How many more mass graves are they going to need to find near the border before LibDerp nation finally gets it?



Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: LickNeckey on February 15, 2019, 11:31:09 AM
You can tell someone is losing an argument when they tell the other side what they believe. 

"I'm not going to argue with what you're saying, I'm going to argue with what I say you believe!"

this makes me sad 

:cry:

if it is true then it means Dax never wins



but really though Dax why do you support this use of executive overrreach?

because of poor guatemalans?
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 11:31:32 AM
You can tell someone is losing an argument when they tell the other side what they believe. 

"I'm not going to argue with what you're saying, I'm going to argue with what I say you believe!"

I am just reaffirming what is quite clear.

More ragey than usual today, Chi.  What's a matter?



Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on February 15, 2019, 11:33:27 AM
Won't someone think of the lake houses?
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 11:34:19 AM
You can tell someone is losing an argument when they tell the other side what they believe. 

"I'm not going to argue with what you're saying, I'm going to argue with what I say you believe!"

this makes me sad 

:cry:

if it is true then it means Dax never wins



but really though Dax why do you support this use of executive overrreach?

because of poor guatemalans?

So in your world immigration and national security does not fall under the executive branch?

The "poor Guatemalans" falls on deaf ears because I'll just redirect you back to your guy lovin all over those Central American thugs running those countries.   

You are complicit in helping to create those "poor Guatemalans". 
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 15, 2019, 11:37:43 AM
We should come to an agreement with Mexico and Canada that lets us move freely between the countries without a passport and even live and work there if we want to. That would be great.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 11:40:27 AM
We should come to an agreement with Mexico and Canada that lets us move freely between the countries without a passport and even live and work there if we want to. That would be great.

Hmm, sounds like comprehensive immigration reform.



Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: wetwillie on February 15, 2019, 11:42:05 AM
We should come to an agreement with Mexico and Canada that lets us move freely between the countries without a passport and even live and work there if we want to. That would be great.

Where is the capital of this North American Union?
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: 8manpick on February 15, 2019, 11:43:18 AM
When arguing with Dax, it’s important to remember that he is a 9/11 truther (and JFK!).  Nothing is going to convince him.  Questionable propaganda is his bible.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 15, 2019, 11:43:35 AM
We should come to an agreement with Mexico and Canada that lets us move freely between the countries without a passport and even live and work there if we want to. That would be great.

Where is the capital of this North American Union?

Somewhere in Texas, probably.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: LickNeckey on February 15, 2019, 11:45:03 AM
You can tell someone is losing an argument when they tell the other side what they believe. 

"I'm not going to argue with what you're saying, I'm going to argue with what I say you believe!"

this makes me sad 

:cry:

if it is true then it means Dax never wins



but really though Dax why do you support this use of executive overrreach?

because of poor guatemalans?

So in your world immigration and national security does not fall under the executive branch?

The "poor Guatemalans" falls on deaf ears because I'll just redirect you back to your guy lovin all over those Central American thugs running those countries.   

You are complicit in helping to create those "poor Guatemalans".

 :jerk:

so for future discourse you believe this to be a legitimate use of the "national emergency" declaration?
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on February 15, 2019, 11:45:42 AM
When arguing with Dax, it’s important to remember that he is a 9/11 truther (and JFK!).  Nothing is going to convince him.  Questionable propaganda is his bible.

He's also been pushing the rbg is secretly dead conspiracy (she came back to work today)
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: chum1 on February 15, 2019, 11:51:09 AM
How great would it be if we could get the AU capital to be in Kansas!? Pompeo??? Maybe we should invite the UK to be a part of the AU.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: wetwillie on February 15, 2019, 11:53:24 AM
How great would it be if we could get the AU capital to be in Kansas!? Pompeo??? Maybe we should invite the UK to be a part of the AU.

Salina has been building 100 years for this very day
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 15, 2019, 11:54:03 AM
How great would it be if we could get the AU capital to be in Kansas!? Pompeo??? Maybe we should invite the UK to be a part of the AU.

I think the UK would probably join us if we asked them nicely enough.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on February 15, 2019, 11:55:16 AM
How great would it be if we could get the AU capital to be in Kansas!? Pompeo??? Maybe we should invite the UK to be a part of the AU.

Salina has been building 100 years for this very day

Stormy Daniels was just there 2 days ago!
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: chum1 on February 15, 2019, 11:56:51 AM
How great would it be if we could get the AU capital to be in Kansas!? Pompeo??? Maybe we should invite the UK to be a part of the AU.

I think the UK would probably join us if we asked them nicely enough.

We'd definitely have them stay in the Bluemont Hotel!
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 15, 2019, 12:00:09 PM
I bet the people in the UK would call the union the BU, sort of like the hayseeds in Kansas say Ar-KANSAS river. :lol:
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: LickNeckey on February 15, 2019, 01:03:39 PM
You can tell someone is losing an argument when they tell the other side what they believe. 

"I'm not going to argue with what you're saying, I'm going to argue with what I say you believe!"

this makes me sad 

:cry:

if it is true then it means Dax never wins



but really though Dax why do you support this use of executive overrreach?

because of poor guatemalans?

So in your world immigration and national security does not fall under the executive branch?

The "poor Guatemalans" falls on deaf ears because I'll just redirect you back to your guy lovin all over those Central American thugs running those countries.   

You are complicit in helping to create those "poor Guatemalans".

Conservative provocateur Ann Coulter fired shots at Trump on Friday for saying he’ll sign a bill that would avert another government shutdown and instead declaring a national emergency to build his Mexico border wall. Replying to a tweet that claimed “the goal of a national emergency is to end illegal immigration and cartel smuggling,” Coulter wrote that “no, the goal of a national emergency is for Trump to scam the stupidest people in his base for 2 more years.” In a subsequent tweet, she added that “The goal is to get Trump’s stupidest voters to say ‘HE’S FIGHTING!’ No he’s not. If he signs this bill, it’s over.”

 :ROFL:
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 01:05:30 PM
You can tell someone is losing an argument when they tell the other side what they believe. 

"I'm not going to argue with what you're saying, I'm going to argue with what I say you believe!"

this makes me sad 

:cry:

if it is true then it means Dax never wins



but really though Dax why do you support this use of executive overrreach?

because of poor guatemalans?

So in your world immigration and national security does not fall under the executive branch?

The "poor Guatemalans" falls on deaf ears because I'll just redirect you back to your guy lovin all over those Central American thugs running those countries.   

You are complicit in helping to create those "poor Guatemalans".

 :jerk:

so for future discourse you believe this to be a legitimate use of the "national emergency" declaration?

First of all, it's absolutely pathetic (but not at all unexpected) that resident LibDerps never want to talk about the root cause.

Congress has had ample time to act.   Think about it (well, let me think about it for your, since you won't) . . . you guys have absolutely melted down about the border but your only solution is just an open border free-for-all (and then to be able to go out and run on that with legions of new voters . . . weirdly, LibDerp Nation always forgets about the impact of local elections and the ascendance to power . . . which likely driven by the fact that numerous icons of the Lib movement ascended to power on the back of voter fraud in local elections . . . but I digress). 

The president has asked for comprehensive immigration reform and the best that's been come up with is idiocy:  Insta-Amnesty and additional mechanisms which only play straight into the hands of the traffickers.   Like the idiocy of the expanded sponsorship status in this current bill.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on February 15, 2019, 01:07:39 PM
Literally unable to answer a simple question lol
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 15, 2019, 01:09:31 PM
Immigrants can't vote, dax. You have to be a citizen to vote.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 15, 2019, 01:12:03 PM
yes legitimate
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 01:15:41 PM
Literally unable to answer a simple question lol
:lol: Oh LibDerp7, you never answer anything.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Spracne on February 15, 2019, 01:19:24 PM
Immigrants can't vote, dax. You have to be a citizen to vote.

In most elections, yes. But some local governments do allow all residents, regardless of immigration status, to vote in local elections for stuff like school boards.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 15, 2019, 01:21:55 PM
School boards must be the first step in the ascendance to power.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Spracne on February 15, 2019, 01:23:01 PM
School boards must be the first step in the ascendance to power.

It starts in the schools--the Great Incubator for indoctrinating Ghosts of Libtard Future.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 15, 2019, 01:24:58 PM
This is all because we kicked god out of our schools, isn't it?
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 01:26:12 PM
Immigrants can't vote, dax. You have to be a citizen to vote.

LOL, first of all, there's a move to allow non-citizens to vote, and as Sprac's said, in some places, in some elections you only have to live there, or say you do.

What part of insta-amnesty (likely insta citizenship if LibDerp Nation has their way) is confusing?



Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 15, 2019, 01:26:53 PM
looking back T-dawg should have asked for a wall deal immediately after taking office and transitioned to the Emergency if it failed, we would be secure by now.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: LickNeckey on February 15, 2019, 01:31:01 PM
You can tell someone is losing an argument when they tell the other side what they believe. 

"I'm not going to argue with what you're saying, I'm going to argue with what I say you believe!"

this makes me sad 

:cry:

if it is true then it means Dax never wins



but really though Dax why do you support this use of executive overrreach?

because of poor guatemalans?

So in your world immigration and national security does not fall under the executive branch?

The "poor Guatemalans" falls on deaf ears because I'll just redirect you back to your guy lovin all over those Central American thugs running those countries.   

You are complicit in helping to create those "poor Guatemalans".

 :jerk:

so for future discourse you believe this to be a legitimate use of the "national emergency" declaration?

First of all, it's absolutely pathetic (but not at all unexpected) that resident LibDerps never want to talk about the root cause.

Congress has had ample time to act.   Think about it (well, let me think about it for your, since you won't) . . . you guys have absolutely melted down about the border but your only solution is just an open border free-for-all (and then to be able to go out and run on that with legions of new voters . . . weirdly, LibDerp Nation always forgets about the impact of local elections and the ascendance to power . . . which likely driven by the fact that numerous icons of the Lib movement ascended to power on the back of voter fraud in local elections . . . but I digress). 

The president has asked for comprehensive immigration reform and the best that's been come up with is idiocy:  Insta-Amnesty and additional mechanisms which only play straight into the hands of the traffickers.   Like the idiocy of the expanded sponsorship status in this current bill.

so yes
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 01:32:53 PM
You can tell someone is losing an argument when they tell the other side what they believe. 

"I'm not going to argue with what you're saying, I'm going to argue with what I say you believe!"

this makes me sad 

:cry:

if it is true then it means Dax never wins



but really though Dax why do you support this use of executive overrreach?

because of poor guatemalans?

So in your world immigration and national security does not fall under the executive branch?

The "poor Guatemalans" falls on deaf ears because I'll just redirect you back to your guy lovin all over those Central American thugs running those countries.   

You are complicit in helping to create those "poor Guatemalans".

 :jerk:

so for future discourse you believe this to be a legitimate use of the "national emergency" declaration?

First of all, it's absolutely pathetic (but not at all unexpected) that resident LibDerps never want to talk about the root cause.

Congress has had ample time to act.   Think about it (well, let me think about it for your, since you won't) . . . you guys have absolutely melted down about the border but your only solution is just an open border free-for-all (and then to be able to go out and run on that with legions of new voters . . . weirdly, LibDerp Nation always forgets about the impact of local elections and the ascendance to power . . . which likely driven by the fact that numerous icons of the Lib movement ascended to power on the back of voter fraud in local elections . . . but I digress). 

The president has asked for comprehensive immigration reform and the best that's been come up with is idiocy:  Insta-Amnesty and additional mechanisms which only play straight into the hands of the traffickers.   Like the idiocy of the expanded sponsorship status in this current bill.

so yes

Amazing perception.

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 01:46:28 PM
?s=21
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Phil Titola on February 15, 2019, 01:47:26 PM
The great deal maker can't move Congress (which his team controls) in two years to act on an initiative rubes we're chanting about with bloodthirst and dax is over hear blaming everybody else in 2019.

Great stuff.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dlew12 on February 15, 2019, 01:48:09 PM
The only reason you're opposing this, is because 1.  It's Trump 2.  You want an open border.

First of all, the border which is the demarcation point for a nations sovereign territory absolutely falls under the purview of the Government, anything to the contrary is laughable.   The fact that LibDerp Nation is trying to say a border and border security wall falls into the category of Bill or Barry stroking a pen and grabbing hundreds of thousands of acres of land in Utah or Nevada is comical in every respect.
I do not care that it's Trump.  The border is one of the issues I care about least either way.  I'm opposed to an "open border," but I'm not sure a wall is the best allocation of resources.  Maybe it is? Who am i to say? If Congress put money up for it, I don't care.  If Congress didn't, I don't care.  But honestly - wall/no wall.  I don't give a crap.  My beef has little to do with the wall itself. 

My main beef with this is the president unilaterally expanding his power.  This is why we have congress.  This is why we have separation of powers.  Letting the president unilaterally push through what amounts to legislation of his campaign promise tosses all that crap right in the garbage. 

I griped about Obama doing similar stuff (just as I'm sure you did). 
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Phil Titola on February 15, 2019, 01:49:24 PM
Not one person has ever posted."all I want is an open border" on here but dax needs that stawman to base his wall of text on.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 15, 2019, 01:50:31 PM
I think advocating for the American Union is pretty close to saying I want an open border, and I really do think it would be great.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 01:50:46 PM
The great deal maker can't move Congress (which his team controls) in two years to act on an initiative rubes we're chanting about with bloodthirst and dax is over hear blaming everybody else in 2019.

Great stuff.

Pubs control the House?  Revisionism on display right there.

8 long years to pass comprehensive immigration reform:  Phil's guy gets a solid F-
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 01:51:55 PM
Not one person has ever posted."all I want is an open border" on here but dax needs that stawman to base his wall of text on.

The policies and politicians you support belie this statement in it's entirety.

Quit lying, Phil.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 15, 2019, 01:54:34 PM
if you are not for open borders just shut up and let Trump secure it, it will have no negative impact on your lives.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 01:54:53 PM
Speaking of root cause:

1 of 31 active national emergencies:

Nov 27, 2018: The National Emergency With Respect to Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Nicaragua was declared by President Trump in response to violence and the Ortega regime’s “systematic dismantling and undermining of democratic institutions and the rule of law” that constitutes an “unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States.”

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aS-RfD_5XZ0/WHWmr_bk9-I/AAAAAAAAODg/VPOKQoEebcIo-vrEEW-r43KKVFbcvITPgCLcB/s400/ortegeaImage4.jpg)

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-MtDwPr9pAGo/WHWnf8ta6lI/AAAAAAAAODk/ZwK8NuTWfu0srVT-ska_5eRhyb9KixvtQCLcB/s400/WHT202_SUMMIT-AMERICAS_0419.jpg)
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Phil Titola on February 15, 2019, 01:57:07 PM
The great deal maker can't move Congress (which his team controls) in two years to act on an initiative rubes we're chanting about with bloodthirst and dax is over hear blaming everybody else in 2019.

Great stuff.

Pubs control the House?  Revisionism on display right there.

8 long years to pass comprehensive immigration reform:  Phil's guy gets a solid F-

Rubes aren't the best at reading.

I already agreed prior administrations (plural) have failed partly due to nobody was that into this topic until you got hoarse chanting build the wall. I also asked you to expand on what you think comprehensive immigration reform looks like.

Crickets.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: bucket on February 15, 2019, 01:57:47 PM
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Phil Titola on February 15, 2019, 01:59:19 PM
Not one person has ever posted."all I want is an open border" on here but dax needs that stawman to base his wall of text on.

The policies and politicians you support belie this statement in it's entirety.

Quit lying, Phil.

Your tapout is noted. Moving on.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 02:01:35 PM
The great deal maker can't move Congress (which his team controls) in two years to act on an initiative rubes we're chanting about with bloodthirst and dax is over hear blaming everybody else in 2019.

Great stuff.

Pubs control the House?  Revisionism on display right there.

8 long years to pass comprehensive immigration reform:  Phil's guy gets a solid F-

Rubes aren't the best at reading.

I already agreed prior administrations (plural) have failed partly due to nobody was that into this topic until you got hoarse chanting build the wall. I also asked you to expand on what you think comprehensive immigration reform looks like.

Crickets.

The president called on Congress to bring immigration reform legislation repeatedly.    Your guy stood up on multiple occasions as a Sen and extolled the need for comprehensive immigration reform while in the same breath saying that the U.S. needed much tougher border security.   You people talked about walls all the time, except it was virtual walls using high tech gear.   That was before your guy and his minions went about propping up the Central American thugs and the humanitarian and human rights crisis that entailed.





Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 02:02:49 PM
Not one person has ever posted."all I want is an open border" on here but dax needs that stawman to base his wall of text on.

The policies and politicians you support belie this statement in it's entirety.

Quit lying, Phil.

Your tapout is noted. Moving on.

It's either one of two things, Phil.  Either you guys are playing politics with national security, or you want open borders.   Which is it?

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 02:05:33 PM
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The wall is just an offshoot of a previous Trump national emergency, a national emergency declaration made necessary by a previous administration and their support of Central American thugs.

The levels of illegal border crossing/attempted illegal border is at unprecedented levels.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: bucket on February 15, 2019, 02:06:14 PM
Not one person has ever posted."all I want is an open border" on here but dax needs that stawman to base his wall of text on.

The policies and politicians you support belie this statement in it's entirety.

Quit lying, Phil.

Your tapout is noted. Moving on.

It's either one of two things, Phil.  Either you guys are playing politics with national security, or you want open borders.   Which is it?

The third option is missing.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 02:07:23 PM
What's that Captain Cryptic?
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: bucket on February 15, 2019, 02:09:13 PM
Fixing the border without a rough ridin' medieval wall.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: bucket on February 15, 2019, 02:10:08 PM
The levels of illegal border crossing/attempted illegal border is at unprecedented levels.

Good one, Dax!

 :lol:
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 02:12:00 PM
Fixing the border without a rough ridin' medieval wall.

Trump should claim that most of the border crossers are devout hyper conservative Catholics and big fans of MAGA.   There'd already be $25 billion earmarked in the House.

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Phil Titola on February 15, 2019, 02:12:28 PM
The great deal maker can't move Congress (which his team controls) in two years to act on an initiative rubes we're chanting about with bloodthirst and dax is over hear blaming everybody else in 2019.

Great stuff.

Pubs control the House?  Revisionism on display right there.

8 long years to pass comprehensive immigration reform:  Phil's guy gets a solid F-

Rubes aren't the best at reading.

I already agreed prior administrations (plural) have failed partly due to nobody was that into this topic until you got hoarse chanting build the wall. I also asked you to expand on what you think comprehensive immigration reform looks like.

Crickets.

The president called on Congress to bring immigration reform legislation repeatedly.    Your guy stood up on multiple occasions as a Sen and extolled the need for comprehensive immigration reform while in the same breath saying that the U.S. needed much tougher border security.   You people talked about walls all the time, except it was virtual walls using high tech gear.   That was before your guy and his minions went about propping up the Central American thugs and the humanitarian and human rights crisis that entailed.

Dealmakers gets things done when he holds all the cards for 2 years. Just admit he failed. 
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: chum1 on February 15, 2019, 02:12:50 PM
I had no idea that dax was this horny for an emergency wall.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 02:18:12 PM
The levels of illegal border crossing/attempted illegal border is at unprecedented levels.

Good one, Dax!

 :lol:

At current pace, it will at minimum blow by the previous 5 Federal Fiscal Years by a wide margin, likely months early.   The current FFY avg is 60K caught/inadmissible a month . . . that's just what they catch. 



 
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 02:20:31 PM
The great deal maker can't move Congress (which his team controls) in two years to act on an initiative rubes we're chanting about with bloodthirst and dax is over hear blaming everybody else in 2019.

Great stuff.

Pubs control the House?  Revisionism on display right there.

8 long years to pass comprehensive immigration reform:  Phil's guy gets a solid F-

Rubes aren't the best at reading.

I already agreed prior administrations (plural) have failed partly due to nobody was that into this topic until you got hoarse chanting build the wall. I also asked you to expand on what you think comprehensive immigration reform looks like.

Crickets.

The president called on Congress to bring immigration reform legislation repeatedly.    Your guy stood up on multiple occasions as a Sen and extolled the need for comprehensive immigration reform while in the same breath saying that the U.S. needed much tougher border security.   You people talked about walls all the time, except it was virtual walls using high tech gear.   That was before your guy and his minions went about propping up the Central American thugs and the humanitarian and human rights crisis that entailed.

Dealmakers gets things done when he holds all the cards for 2 years. Just admit he failed.

It was a 2 part mandate, Phil.  The only reason the first part didn't pass is that icons/leaders of your movement have pulled a complete 180 from what they extolled in years past, all for political reasons.  Translation:  Playing politics with national security

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 02:21:36 PM
I had no idea that dax was this horny for an emergency wall.

Recognizing you're beat is a good first step, Chum.

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Phil Titola on February 15, 2019, 02:21:55 PM
And let's not forget we weren't even paying for it.

Failure. Just a microcosm of the entire administration
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: bucket on February 15, 2019, 02:24:21 PM
The levels of illegal border crossing/attempted illegal border is at unprecedented levels.

Good one, Dax!

 :lol:

At current pace, it will at minimum blow by the previous 5 Federal Fiscal Years by a wide margin, likely months early.   The current FFY avg is 60K caught/inadmissible a month . . . that's just what they catch.

Where'd you get your numbers, Dax?
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 02:27:42 PM
The levels of illegal border crossing/attempted illegal border is at unprecedented levels.

Good one, Dax!

 :lol:

At current pace, it will at minimum blow by the previous 5 Federal Fiscal Years by a wide margin, likely months early.   The current FFY avg is 60K caught/inadmissible a month . . . that's just what they catch.

Where'd you get your numbers, Dax?

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: XocolateThundarr on February 15, 2019, 02:29:28 PM
The only reason you're opposing this, is because 1.  It's Trump 2.  You want an open border.

First of all, the border which is the demarcation point for a nations sovereign territory absolutely falls under the purview of the Government, anything to the contrary is laughable.   The fact that LibDerp Nation is trying to say a border and border security wall falls into the category of Bill or Barry stroking a pen and grabbing hundreds of thousands of acres of land in Utah or Nevada is comical in every respect.
I do not care that it's Trump.  The border is one of the issues I care about least either way.  I'm opposed to an "open border," but I'm not sure a wall is the best allocation of resources.  Maybe it is? Who am i to say? If Congress put money up for it, I don't care.  If Congress didn't, I don't care.  But honestly - wall/no wall.  I don't give a crap.  My beef has little to do with the wall itself. 

My main beef with this is the president unilaterally expanding his power.  This is why we have congress.  This is why we have separation of powers.  Letting the president unilaterally push through what amounts to legislation of his campaign promise tosses all that crap right in the garbage. 

I griped about Obama doing similar stuff (just as I'm sure you did). 

#cosign
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on February 15, 2019, 02:32:54 PM
I had no idea that dax was this horny for an emergency wall.

Obviously dax has had some really epic and memorable meltdowns, but I don't ever remember him being so enthusiastic.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: LickNeckey on February 15, 2019, 02:35:16 PM
Coulter really hit the nail on the head.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 02:35:39 PM
I had no idea that dax was this horny for an emergency wall.

Obviously dax has had some really epic and memorable meltdowns, but I don't ever remember him being so enthusiastic.

I will give you credit, you're not your usual Friday bitchy self.  Nice work.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 02:40:04 PM
And let's not forget we weren't even paying for it.

Failure. Just a microcosm of the entire administration

Given the total failures of your guy, the messes left behind, the zealot level of interference in order to protect the legacy of those 8 wasted years of which nothing good came out of the White House . . . it is tough sledding.

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Phil Titola on February 15, 2019, 02:42:39 PM
I'm happy for.you dax. You obviously love overreacting government and getting it in spades today.  Enjoy the weekend!
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 02:53:44 PM
I'm happy for.you dax. You obviously love overreacting government and getting it in spades today.  Enjoy the weekend!

What was one of LibDerp Naton's favorite icons and mayor of a failing major city's favorite saying (realizing lots of Lib icons are mayors of failing cities)?  Something about never letting a crisis go to waste?

I suppose that it's not a crisis until LibDerp Nation declares it so.

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: bucket on February 15, 2019, 03:36:43 PM
The levels of illegal border crossing/attempted illegal border is at unprecedented levels.

Good one, Dax!

 :lol:

At current pace, it will at minimum blow by the previous 5 Federal Fiscal Years by a wide margin, likely months early.   The current FFY avg is 60K caught/inadmissible a month . . . that's just what they catch.

Where'd you get your numbers, Dax?

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

I missed that key point. Good job.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 15, 2019, 03:47:39 PM
Sorry guys, I’m on vacation and I just don’t have time to play whackamole with all your stupid arguments or even read all your posts. But I did see we appear to be circling back to eminent domain? :lol: Here’s the thing: the a slight difference between the use of eminent domain for a genuine public purpose, like say, building a border wall, and leveling a couple blocks of poorer homes to build a fancy new strip mall for more tax revenue (the kind of ED libs love - see Kelo). Of you own land on an international border then selling a strip of it for a border wall probably should not come as a great surprise. And I don’t think the “plight” of the ranchers subject to ED is going to sway much public opinion. But anyway, by all means keep going with this argument. :lol:
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 15, 2019, 03:51:04 PM
Coulter really hit the nail on the head.

She isn't right very often but she was 100%
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: catastrophe on February 15, 2019, 04:31:26 PM
I know this has a ways to go to play out, but I’d be shocked and disappointed if this passed constitutional muster simply because we have a case where (i) congress (who has the sole authority under the constitution to appropriate funds) discussed appropriating funds to basically the exact same things, and (ii) actually DID appropriate some funds to that thing.

If the president can redo the budget to get closer to what he wants by declaring an emergency (which there is apparently no standard for), then he has the same budgetary powers as congress. If that’s the correct application of the statutes then those laws just have to be unconstitutional.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Kat Kid on February 15, 2019, 05:16:40 PM
This is actually really great precedent.  I can't wait until President AOC uses it to nationalize Amazon and finally hold public executions for the surviving Bush/Obama/Trump era war criminals.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 15, 2019, 06:20:47 PM
I don't expect this to set any sort of precedent at all. It would have to hold up in court to do that.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Trim on February 15, 2019, 06:36:45 PM
Unfortunate for Mexico that this is all finally going down and they're gonna have to hand over that money.  Monday?
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Phil Titola on February 15, 2019, 07:21:20 PM
I'm sure layaway.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: puniraptor on February 15, 2019, 07:25:15 PM
Kobach did an awful job shilling for this on newshour
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dlew12 on February 15, 2019, 07:46:50 PM
Sorry guys, I’m on vacation and I just don’t have time to play whackamole with all your stupid arguments or even read all your posts. But I did see we appear to be circling back to eminent domain? :lol: Here’s the thing: the a slight difference between the use of eminent domain for a genuine public purpose, like say, building a border wall, and leveling a couple blocks of poorer homes to build a fancy new strip mall for more tax revenue (the kind of ED libs love - see Kelo). Of you own land on an international border then selling a strip of it for a border wall probably should not come as a great surprise. And I don’t think the “plight” of the ranchers subject to ED is going to sway much public opinion. But anyway, by all means keep going with this argument. :lol:
You're lol'ing a lot about this, but I'm not sure there's any precedent for "public use" for a border wall or any other border security measure.  This wall isn't a highway.  Not to mention, it does seem odd that the executive of the federal government can unilaterally enact a taking for any reason.  That doesn't strike you as troubling at all?  Maybe I hold individual liberty in higher regard than you on this issue.

Regardless, landowners are going to litigate the hell out of the Fed's definition of "just compensation" and "public use" (which, I'm sure you agree, they have every right to do).  I wonder how long that will take.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 15, 2019, 07:50:15 PM
Trump said today that he didn't need to declare this emergency, but only did it so it would get done faster.  Does him saying that make legal action against it more likely to succeed?
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dlew12 on February 15, 2019, 07:57:31 PM
Trump said today that he didn't need to declare this emergency, but only did it so it would get done faster.  Does him saying that make legal action against it more likely to succeed?
It certainly should!  But this whole thing is such a shitshow and otherwise intelligent people (e.g. Dax, Dub) are so tied in intellectual knots that who knows. 

Conservatives cheering-on the president circumventing Congress' refusal to spend billions, execute "military eminent domain" (whatever that is), citing a "national emergency" that even the president admitted wasn't a "national emergency" - wake the eff up.  This is conservatism now?  This is the type of crap conservatives root for now?

Because it sounds a lot like government waste and executive overreach to me.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 15, 2019, 08:07:29 PM
Trump said today that he didn't need to declare this emergency, but only did it so it would get done faster.  Does him saying that make legal action against it more likely to succeed?
It certainly should!  But this whole thing is such a shitshow and otherwise intelligent people (e.g. Dax, Dub) are so tied in intellectual knots that who knows. 

Conservatives cheering-on the president circumventing Congress' refusal to spend billions, execute "military eminent domain" (whatever that is), citing a "national emergency" that even the president admitted wasn't a "national emergency" - wake the eff up.  This is conservatism now?  This is the type of crap conservatives root for now?

Because it sounds a lot like government waste and executive overreach to me.

Just between us, I do think that Dax and Dub are pretty intelligent.  I agree tho that this whole thing doesn't make a lot of sense to be supporting.  From briefly reading what they have been posting it does sound like the fear mongering and scare tactics are working on them.  I don't think this whole thing is to "own the libs", I think it's just another issue that feel like they have to support.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: wetwillie on February 15, 2019, 10:14:31 PM
Neither of them believe anything they say on here. It’s just escapism from real life to flame everyone and construct arguments counter to everyone else.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sys on February 15, 2019, 10:48:14 PM
Neither of them believe anything they say on here. It’s just escapism from real life to flame everyone and construct arguments counter to everyone else.

they believe every word they post.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: 8manpick on February 15, 2019, 11:23:54 PM
Trump said today that he didn't need to declare this emergency, but only did it so it would get done faster.  Does him saying that make legal action against it more likely to succeed?
It certainly should!  But this whole thing is such a shitshow and otherwise intelligent people (e.g. Dax, Dub) are so tied in intellectual knots that who knows. 

Conservatives cheering-on the president circumventing Congress' refusal to spend billions, execute "military eminent domain" (whatever that is), citing a "national emergency" that even the president admitted wasn't a "national emergency" - wake the eff up.  This is conservatism now?  This is the type of crap conservatives root for now?

Because it sounds a lot like government waste and executive overreach to me.
You’re just a libtard and you were silent for decades while your guy committed countless atrocities
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 16, 2019, 12:00:50 AM
Neither of them believe anything they say on here. It’s just escapism from real life to flame everyone and construct arguments counter to everyone else.
I don't think kazdub is in support of the federal government seizing land.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 16, 2019, 12:02:51 AM
Sorry guys, I’m on vacation and I just don’t have time to play whackamole with all your stupid arguments or even read all your posts. But I did see we appear to be circling back to eminent domain? :lol: Here’s the thing: the a slight difference between the use of eminent domain for a genuine public purpose, like say, building a border wall, and leveling a couple blocks of poorer homes to build a fancy new strip mall for more tax revenue (the kind of ED libs love - see Kelo). Of you own land on an international border then selling a strip of it for a border wall probably should not come as a great surprise. And I don’t think the “plight” of the ranchers subject to ED is going to sway much public opinion. But anyway, by all means keep going with this argument. :lol:

Dax said ED won'tr be used so he thinks you are an idiot.
Title: EMERGENCY!
Post by: steve dave on February 16, 2019, 08:37:10 AM
Even the most downgradey far right’ers are against the idea.

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Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Phil Titola on February 16, 2019, 09:34:36 AM
New Trump libderps are going to be so conflicted with her
Title: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 16, 2019, 10:29:36 AM
LibDerp Nation has sold out to The Man, and now Ann Coulter. 

Oh and SysWhackadoo, the absolutely terrifying thing is that you believe everything you post.  If you graduated from Kstate, please don’t tell anyone.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: bucket on February 16, 2019, 12:03:24 PM
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: steve dave on February 16, 2019, 08:02:59 PM
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 17, 2019, 10:08:29 AM
truth bomb
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 17, 2019, 11:01:20 AM
Neither of them believe anything they say on here. It’s just escapism from real life to flame everyone and construct arguments counter to everyone else.
I don't think kazdub is in support of the federal government seizing land.

I support eminent domain for legitimate public use. It’s in the Constitution. There’s a big damn difference between a genuine public use, such as building an interstate highway or a dam or a border wall, and simply taking land from one owner to sell to a developer for the “public benefit” of higher tax revenue, as the Kelo decision held. What a shitty, inexcusably awful Supreme Court decision. A 5-4 decision with the libs plus Kennedy.

I believe everything I’ve said here about immigration. When I’m making fun of the liberals, it should be evident. Illegal immigration is a problem for all sorts of reasons: lack of assimilation, crime, a drain on public resources (health, education, etc.), driving down wages, etc. Border walls work, especially when combined with other resources, which is why we already have hundreds of miles of border wall and other barriers and why border agents overwhelmingly support more.

I think declaring an emergency to reallocate money to build the wall is legally complicated and questionable. It will certainly be enjoined by 9th circuit district and appellate judges, but that means nothing. Not sure how the SC would rule if they even granted cert. it’s certainly not my preferred way to build a wall, but Trump is never going to get adequate funds from Congress, and the Pubs are just as much to blame for that as the Dems.

Immigration is one of several areas where Trump has failed miserably because he is neither smart enough nor politically engaged to keep the Pubs in line. I have a seperate post outlining Trump’s successes and failures, and how those relate to his strengths and weaknesses.

What else do I need to say? Continue blathering away if it makes you happy.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Phil Titola on February 17, 2019, 11:13:49 AM
Crime. Lol.

You rubes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/two-charts-demolish-the-notion-that-immigrants-here-illegally-commit-more-crime/?utm_term=.d4e8f3df635c
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 17, 2019, 11:27:00 AM
Neither of them believe anything they say on here. It’s just escapism from real life to flame everyone and construct arguments counter to everyone else.
I don't think kazdub is in support of the federal government seizing land.

I support eminent domain for legitimate public use. It’s in the Constitution. There’s a big damn difference between a genuine public use, such as building an interstate highway or a dam or a border wall, and simply taking land from one owner to sell to a developer for the “public benefit” of higher tax revenue, as the Kelo decision held. What a shitty, inexcusably awful Supreme Court decision. A 5-4 decision with the libs plus Kennedy.

I believe everything I’ve said here about immigration. When I’m making fun of the liberals, it should be evident. Illegal immigration is a problem for all sorts of reasons: lack of assimilation, crime, a drain on public resources (health, education, etc.), driving down wages, etc. Border walls work, especially when combined with other resources, which is why we already have hundreds of miles of border wall and other barriers and why border agents overwhelmingly support more.

I think declaring an emergency to reallocate money to build the wall is legally complicated and questionable. It will certainly be enjoined by 9th circuit district and appellate judges, but that means nothing. Not sure how the SC would rule if they even granted cert. it’s certainly not my preferred way to build a wall, but Trump is never going to get adequate funds from Congress, and the Pubs are just as much to blame for that as the Dems.

Immigration is one of several areas where Trump has failed miserably because he is neither smart enough nor politically engaged to keep the Pubs in line. I have a seperate post outlining Trump’s successes and failures, and how those relate to his strengths and weaknesses.

What else do I need to say? Continue blathering away if it makes you happy.

Yeah, blighting out an area so a developer can come bang out a project is not what ED is for.  I agree with most of what you said. 

I think legislating through National Emergency is a bad plan for a lot of reasons.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 17, 2019, 01:11:17 PM
LibDerp Nation is more enraged than usual. 

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Trim on February 17, 2019, 01:30:00 PM
Per google (biased?), “libderp” is still a gE exclusive. We need to figure out how to monetize the term before it goes mainstream.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: catastrophe on February 17, 2019, 01:35:21 PM
This is why I like to refer to gE as “the incubator.”
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: wetwillie on February 17, 2019, 02:32:51 PM
Per google (biased?), “libderp” is still a gE exclusive. We need to figure out how to monetize the term before it goes mainstream.

Have CFDC make a ‘Libderp Nation” skill for Alexa and Google home. 
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 17, 2019, 03:17:51 PM
I doubt very much resident LibDerp Nation even knew what constituted a executive branch declaration of a national emergency and likely had no idea that the guidelines were so broad, until now.

Had this been for a Dem President to go bomb some far off land, or interdict in the political process of some 3rd world nation.  You guys wouldn’t have said a word.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 17, 2019, 03:35:52 PM
I’ll admit that whatever Dax is butthurt about that happened 35 years ago, I didn’t say a word about it. Not being alive isn’t really my fault, tho.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 17, 2019, 03:48:21 PM
Neither of them believe anything they say on here. It’s just escapism from real life to flame everyone and construct arguments counter to everyone else.
I don't think kazdub is in support of the federal government seizing land.

I support eminent domain for legitimate public use. It’s in the Constitution. There’s a big damn difference between a genuine public use, such as building an interstate highway or a dam or a border wall, and simply taking land from one owner to sell to a developer for the “public benefit” of higher tax revenue, as the Kelo decision held. What a shitty, inexcusably awful Supreme Court decision. A 5-4 decision with the libs plus Kennedy.

I believe everything I’ve said here about immigration. When I’m making fun of the liberals, it should be evident. Illegal immigration is a problem for all sorts of reasons: lack of assimilation, crime, a drain on public resources (health, education, etc.), driving down wages, etc. Border walls work, especially when combined with other resources, which is why we already have hundreds of miles of border wall and other barriers and why border agents overwhelmingly support more.

I think declaring an emergency to reallocate money to build the wall is legally complicated and questionable. It will certainly be enjoined by 9th circuit district and appellate judges, but that means nothing. Not sure how the SC would rule if they even granted cert. it’s certainly not my preferred way to build a wall, but Trump is never going to get adequate funds from Congress, and the Pubs are just as much to blame for that as the Dems.

Immigration is one of several areas where Trump has failed miserably because he is neither smart enough nor politically engaged to keep the Pubs in line. I have a seperate post outlining Trump’s successes and failures, and how those relate to his strengths and weaknesses.

What else do I need to say? Continue blathering away if it makes you happy.

Yeah, blighting out an area so a developer can come bang out a project is not what ED is for.  I agree with most of what you said. 

I think legislating through National Emergency is a bad plan for a lot of reasons.

:cheers: I agree with you. I don’t like it either, but mainly because I don’t like that we’ve come to this point. If Trump we’re smarter and more politically engaged, if many Republicans weren’t so corrupt, if the Democrats weren’t so uniformly desicated to open borders - there’s a lot of blame to go around.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dlew12 on February 18, 2019, 11:09:46 AM
Neither of them believe anything they say on here. It’s just escapism from real life to flame everyone and construct arguments counter to everyone else.
I don't think kazdub is in support of the federal government seizing land.

I support eminent domain for legitimate public use. It’s in the Constitution. There’s a big damn difference between a genuine public use, such as building an interstate highway or a dam or a border wall, and simply taking land from one owner to sell to a developer for the “public benefit” of higher tax revenue, as the Kelo decision held. What a shitty, inexcusably awful Supreme Court decision. A 5-4 decision with the libs plus Kennedy.

I believe everything I’ve said here about immigration. When I’m making fun of the liberals, it should be evident. Illegal immigration is a problem for all sorts of reasons: lack of assimilation, crime, a drain on public resources (health, education, etc.), driving down wages, etc. Border walls work, especially when combined with other resources, which is why we already have hundreds of miles of border wall and other barriers and why border agents overwhelmingly support more.

I think declaring an emergency to reallocate money to build the wall is legally complicated and questionable. It will certainly be enjoined by 9th circuit district and appellate judges, but that means nothing. Not sure how the SC would rule if they even granted cert. it’s certainly not my preferred way to build a wall, but Trump is never going to get adequate funds from Congress, and the Pubs are just as much to blame for that as the Dems.

Immigration is one of several areas where Trump has failed miserably because he is neither smart enough nor politically engaged to keep the Pubs in line. I have a seperate post outlining Trump’s successes and failures, and how those relate to his strengths and weaknesses.

What else do I need to say? Continue blathering away if it makes you happy.

Yeah, blighting out an area so a developer can come bang out a project is not what ED is for.  I agree with most of what you said. 

I think legislating through National Emergency is a bad plan for a lot of reasons.

:cheers: I agree with you. I don’t like it either, but mainly because I don’t like that we’ve come to this point. If Trump we’re smarter and more politically engaged, if many Republicans weren’t so corrupt, if the Democrats weren’t so uniformly desicated to open borders - there’s a lot of blame to go around.
But congressional stalemates exist for a reason, right?  The rules aren't supposed to be "well if Congress can't agree, the tiebreaker goes to the president and he can do whatever he wants."  That's the whole point of separation of powers.  Whether we want to fund a border wall seems like a quintessentially legislative task. 
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 18, 2019, 11:57:23 AM
Neither of them believe anything they say on here. It’s just escapism from real life to flame everyone and construct arguments counter to everyone else.
I don't think kazdub is in support of the federal government seizing land.

I support eminent domain for legitimate public use. It’s in the Constitution. There’s a big damn difference between a genuine public use, such as building an interstate highway or a dam or a border wall, and simply taking land from one owner to sell to a developer for the “public benefit” of higher tax revenue, as the Kelo decision held. What a shitty, inexcusably awful Supreme Court decision. A 5-4 decision with the libs plus Kennedy.

I believe everything I’ve said here about immigration. When I’m making fun of the liberals, it should be evident. Illegal immigration is a problem for all sorts of reasons: lack of assimilation, crime, a drain on public resources (health, education, etc.), driving down wages, etc. Border walls work, especially when combined with other resources, which is why we already have hundreds of miles of border wall and other barriers and why border agents overwhelmingly support more.

I think declaring an emergency to reallocate money to build the wall is legally complicated and questionable. It will certainly be enjoined by 9th circuit district and appellate judges, but that means nothing. Not sure how the SC would rule if they even granted cert. it’s certainly not my preferred way to build a wall, but Trump is never going to get adequate funds from Congress, and the Pubs are just as much to blame for that as the Dems.

Immigration is one of several areas where Trump has failed miserably because he is neither smart enough nor politically engaged to keep the Pubs in line. I have a seperate post outlining Trump’s successes and failures, and how those relate to his strengths and weaknesses.

What else do I need to say? Continue blathering away if it makes you happy.

Yeah, blighting out an area so a developer can come bang out a project is not what ED is for.  I agree with most of what you said. 

I think legislating through National Emergency is a bad plan for a lot of reasons.

:cheers: I agree with you. I don’t like it either, but mainly because I don’t like that we’ve come to this point. If Trump we’re smarter and more politically engaged, if many Republicans weren’t so corrupt, if the Democrats weren’t so uniformly desicated to open borders - there’s a lot of blame to go around.
But congressional stalemates exist for a reason, right?  The rules aren't supposed to be "well if Congress can't agree, the tiebreaker goes to the president and he can do whatever he wants."  That's the whole point of separation of powers.  Whether we want to fund a border wall seems like a quintessentially legislative task.

Enforcing laws - including all the existing immigration laws - is quintessentially a task for the executive branch. That’s Civics 101.

I honestly think we’ve gotten to a point where people have actually forgotten that it’s against the law to enter the United States without authorization. The border wall isn’t a new law (purview of the legislature) - it’s means of enforcing existing law. That’s the job of the executive.

Now, compare to what Obama did with DACA. He stretched the concept of “prosecutorial discretion” to a whole new level by exempting a broad classification of people from enforcement of existing immigration law. Changing laws is quintessentially a legislative function, not for the executive.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 18, 2019, 11:58:43 AM
Hey Dlew . . . you guys facilitated a climate with your guy where he didn't ask Congress for multiple things and he just went ahead and did them.

Libya, Iran, Syria etc. etc.



Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Spracne on February 18, 2019, 12:06:04 PM
It's an interesting question of law. All judges profess to uphold the separation of powers, but in reality the jurisprudence is "squishy" (<-- super technical legal jargon). Sure, the purse strings belong to the Legislative branch, but the Executive branch has plenary authority over international affairs. Could they take that angle, and would it work? Lots of room for judges to rule however they want. Me personally, I think you have to take a pragmatic view and call this an unlawful usurpation of power by the Executive. Would be nice to get some good precedent in the books.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dlew12 on February 18, 2019, 12:09:45 PM
Hey Dlew . . . you guys facilitated a climate with your guy where he didn't ask Congress for multiple things and he just went ahead and did them.

Libya, Iran, Syria etc. etc.
Yes.  Dlew12, Obama apologist.  You've got me nailed on that one.

Enforcing laws - including all the existing immigration laws - is quintessentially a task for the executive branch. That’s Civics 101.

I honestly think we’ve gotten to a point where people have actually forgotten that it’s against the law to enter the United States without authorization. The border wall isn’t a new law (purview of the legislature) - it’s means of enforcing existing law. That’s the job of the executive.

Now, compare to what Obama did with DACA. He stretched the concept of “prosecutorial discretion” to a whole new level by exempting a broad classification of people from enforcement of existing immigration law. Changing laws is quintessentially a legislative function, not for the executive.
Sure, but allocating money for the wall (which is one, of many possible methods of "enforcing the law") isn't the responsibility of the executive.  You're getting pretty liberal with your job description of the president if you think he can unilaterally fund something like this - and, hey, maybe you want to expand executive power, but you have to understand that's what's happening here.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 18, 2019, 12:12:11 PM
It's an interesting question of law. All judges profess to uphold the separation of powers, but in reality the jurisprudence is "squishy" (<-- super technical legal jargon). Sure, the purse strings belong to the Legislative branch, but the Executive branch has plenary authority over international affairs. Could they take that angle, and would it work? Lots of room for judges to rule however they want. Me personally, I think you have to take a pragmatic view and call this an unlawful usurpation of power by the Executive. Would be nice to get some good precedent in the books.

You’re getting into the source of the funding, which is an interesting and complicated legal issue. But more fundamentally, setting aside the cost of the wall, enforcing immigration law is not only appropriate for the executive - it is the executive’s responsibility. As for the funds, I think that Trump will probably prevail at the Supreme Court, but I wouldn’t say I’m nearly as confident as, say, the travel ban.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: catastrophe on February 18, 2019, 12:14:55 PM
This isn’t about enforcing laws. This is about Trump asking for a budgeted amount to build a new structure, getting only part of the amount he asked for, and then budgeting the rest himself.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 18, 2019, 12:16:26 PM
Dlew12 if you’re not marching and saluting Trump you are a Obama/Hillary apologist libderp in Dax’s eyes.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 18, 2019, 12:34:39 PM
This isn’t about enforcing laws. This is about Trump asking for a budgeted amount to build a new structure, getting only part of the amount he asked for, and then budgeting the rest himself.

But the crux is that you're complaining about an empirical president, and yet you said nothing when your guy was acting like an empirical president.

The simple facts are, you stood complicity by and allowed forays to far off lands for unneeded wars, and now you complain when there is a real issue right at the front door of the homeland.





Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dlew12 on February 18, 2019, 12:49:31 PM
It's an interesting question of law. All judges profess to uphold the separation of powers, but in reality the jurisprudence is "squishy" (<-- super technical legal jargon). Sure, the purse strings belong to the Legislative branch, but the Executive branch has plenary authority over international affairs. Could they take that angle, and would it work? Lots of room for judges to rule however they want. Me personally, I think you have to take a pragmatic view and call this an unlawful usurpation of power by the Executive. Would be nice to get some good precedent in the books.

You’re getting into the source of the funding, which is an interesting and complicated legal issue. But more fundamentally, setting aside the cost of the wall, enforcing immigration law is not only appropriate for the executive - it is the executive’s responsibility. As for the funds, I think that Trump will probably prevail at the Supreme Court, but I wouldn’t say I’m nearly as confident as, say, the travel ban.
Right.  We're "getting into the source of the funding" in a thread criticizing the president's declaration of a national emergency in order to fund something. 

Welcome to the thread.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: catastrophe on February 18, 2019, 12:52:55 PM
This isn’t about enforcing laws. This is about Trump asking for a budgeted amount to build a new structure, getting only part of the amount he asked for, and then budgeting the rest himself.

But the crux is that you're complaining about an empirical president, and yet you said nothing when your guy was acting like an empirical president.

The simple facts are, you stood complicity by and allowed forays to far off lands for unneeded wars, and now you complain when there is a real issue right at the front door of the homeland.

Not sure what about my statement makes you think I’m part of libderp nation.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: 8manpick on February 18, 2019, 01:02:42 PM
Anyone further left than Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh is libderp nation guys.  You should know this by now.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on February 18, 2019, 01:03:44 PM
wall has no bearing on the executive responsibly to enforce laws, what a phony argument.

Kdub is mad that he is in the political minority on this issue and wants the president to be king for a day. It's sad he goes along with it.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: steve dave on February 18, 2019, 01:28:53 PM
Not to toot my own horn but I said from day one all of the right wingers on this board would get in lockstep with literally anything Trump says/does. The thing about being a moderate is you are almost always right. It’s a heavy burden to bear.


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Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 18, 2019, 01:37:53 PM
I think dub is sad he has to swallow this huge expansion of the president's executive authority.  But he's swallowed worse from Trump.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dlew12 on February 18, 2019, 02:25:26 PM
Trump should declare another national emergency, requiring that he be given the title of "King," and govern by Divine Right indefinitely.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 18, 2019, 02:33:41 PM
Once again, resident LibDerp Nation and the resident Fake Moderate think that agreement with Trump on one set of issues, is an agreement with Trump on all issues.

Tremendous hyper partisanship on display as usual from these people.    You quite literally had years to make your voices heard on these exact same kind of issues, but chose to remain utterly complicit to your party and your guy in the White House.

SMDH, sad.

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dlew12 on February 18, 2019, 02:54:48 PM
Once again, resident LibDerp Nation and the resident Fake Moderate think that agreement with Trump on one set of issues, is an agreement with Trump on all issues.

Tremendous hyper partisanship on display as usual from these people.    You quite literally had years to make your voices heard on these exact same kind of issues, but chose to remain utterly complicit to your party and your guy in the White House.

SMDH, sad.
I do not like when the executive effectively legislates.  I didn't like it when Obama did it.  I don't like it now.  I disapprove of the practice, and I do not believe the ends justify the means on this issue.

Dax/KSU-W (I assume) did not approve when Obama did it.  Do they approve of it when Trump does it?  Honest question.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 18, 2019, 02:58:52 PM
Once again, resident LibDerp Nation and the resident Fake Moderate think that agreement with Trump on one set of issues, is an agreement with Trump on all issues.

Tremendous hyper partisanship on display as usual from these people.    You quite literally had years to make your voices heard on these exact same kind of issues, but chose to remain utterly complicit to your party and your guy in the White House.

SMDH, sad.
I do not like when the executive effectively legislates.  I didn't like it when Obama did it.  I don't like it now.  I disapprove of the practice, and I do not believe the ends justify the means on this issue.

Dax/KSU-W (I assume) did not approve when Obama did it.  Do they approve of it when Trump does it?  Honest question.

I already explained above that at least with respect to immigration there is a significant difference between the propriety of Obama and Trump’s actions.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 18, 2019, 03:02:22 PM
Once again, resident LibDerp Nation and the resident Fake Moderate think that agreement with Trump on one set of issues, is an agreement with Trump on all issues.

Tremendous hyper partisanship on display as usual from these people.    You quite literally had years to make your voices heard on these exact same kind of issues, but chose to remain utterly complicit to your party and your guy in the White House.

SMDH, sad.
I do not like when the executive effectively legislates.  I didn't like it when Obama did it.  I don't like it now.  I disapprove of the practice, and I do not believe the ends justify the means on this issue.

Dax/KSU-W (I assume) did not approve when Obama did it.  Do they approve of it when Trump does it?  Honest question.

I am on the fence if I agree with it on this particular issue.   I would disagree with it very much if it meant another new war or similar. 

They're apprehending (again, that's just the number caught) 60K a month at the Southern Border.   It's an emergency.   The only reason that LibDerp Nation doesn't think it is, is because of Trump, period.

In regards to immigration and maintaining of national sovereignty, that falls exclusively under the executive branch.



Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on February 18, 2019, 03:06:39 PM
Your gripe with Obama is that he decided to enforce the laws differently than you think they should be. It's no different than Jackson County Missouri deciding not to prosecute marijuana possession anymore.

Kdub is right that there is a significant difference between that and deciding congress isn't funding something that he wants so trump just does it anyway.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dlew12 on February 18, 2019, 03:11:03 PM
Once again, resident LibDerp Nation and the resident Fake Moderate think that agreement with Trump on one set of issues, is an agreement with Trump on all issues.

Tremendous hyper partisanship on display as usual from these people.    You quite literally had years to make your voices heard on these exact same kind of issues, but chose to remain utterly complicit to your party and your guy in the White House.

SMDH, sad.
I do not like when the executive effectively legislates.  I didn't like it when Obama did it.  I don't like it now.  I disapprove of the practice, and I do not believe the ends justify the means on this issue.

Dax/KSU-W (I assume) did not approve when Obama did it.  Do they approve of it when Trump does it?  Honest question.

I already explained above that at least with respect to immigration there is a significant difference between the propriety of Obama and Trump’s actions.
You didn't really explain it.  The overreach here is the president unilaterally securing funding for this, despite Congress' unambiguous opposition to the funding.  Do you think the president should have the power to fund projects after congress refuses to fund them?

Once again, resident LibDerp Nation and the resident Fake Moderate think that agreement with Trump on one set of issues, is an agreement with Trump on all issues.

Tremendous hyper partisanship on display as usual from these people.    You quite literally had years to make your voices heard on these exact same kind of issues, but chose to remain utterly complicit to your party and your guy in the White House.

SMDH, sad.
I do not like when the executive effectively legislates.  I didn't like it when Obama did it.  I don't like it now.  I disapprove of the practice, and I do not believe the ends justify the means on this issue.

Dax/KSU-W (I assume) did not approve when Obama did it.  Do they approve of it when Trump does it?  Honest question.

I am on the fence if I agree with it on this particular issue.   I would disagree with it very much if it meant another new war or similar. 

They're apprehending (again, that's just the number caught) 60K a month at the Southern Border.   It's an emergency.   The only reason that LibDerp Nation doesn't think it is, is because of Trump, period.

In regards to immigration and maintaining of national sovereignty, that falls exclusively under the executive branch.
Do you think SCOTUS (or some other body) should provide a high level of scrutiny as to what constitutes an "emergency" or should the executive be left to its own devices when it legislates like this?
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 01, 2019, 06:44:13 AM
No Border, No Wall, No USA at all!!  No Border, No Wall, No USA at all!!  No Border, No Wall, No USA at all!! No Border, No Wall, No USA at all!!

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/02/27/nypd-ms-13-planning-to-target-off-duty-cops-at-their-homes/
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: gatoveintisiete on March 01, 2019, 09:54:17 AM
oh man just like Mexico where the cops are afraid of the cartel, this is gonna be great
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: LickNeckey on March 01, 2019, 10:57:00 AM
 :Ugh:
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 01, 2019, 11:16:13 AM
There should be laws against that
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: bucket on June 04, 2019, 02:41:49 PM

 :Wha:
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on June 04, 2019, 02:43:14 PM
Lol, this emergency goes to 11
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: chum1 on June 04, 2019, 02:54:33 PM
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Chingon on June 04, 2019, 06:08:23 PM
0% chance of overriding veto. Pubs will fall in line again.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 04, 2019, 06:21:45 PM
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/border-patrol-agents-apprehend-large-group-del-rio

including nationals from Angola, Cameroon and Congo - apprehended on the Southwest border this year.

https://www.voanews.com/a/ebola-cases-soar-democratic-republic-of-congo/4945762.html

Gestational/incubation period of Ebola before the onset of symptoms can be as long as 21 days with a mean gestational period of approximately 12.5 days. 

Tomorrow there are approximately 50 flights available that will carry a person from Ndjili International Airport, Kinshasa (Republic of Congo) and ultimately deposit the ticket purchaser in Mexico City in a little over a day.

Not an emergency though.





Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: catastrophe on June 04, 2019, 06:53:39 PM
Having lived in a city that had an ebola "outbreak" I'm gonna say agree with Dax.  Not an emergency.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Phil Titola on June 04, 2019, 08:16:30 PM
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/border-patrol-agents-apprehend-large-group-del-rio

including nationals from Angola, Cameroon and Congo - apprehended on the Southwest border this year.

https://www.voanews.com/a/ebola-cases-soar-democratic-republic-of-congo/4945762.html

Gestational/incubation period of Ebola before the onset of symptoms can be as long as 21 days with a mean gestational period of approximately 12.5 days. 

Tomorrow there are approximately 50 flights available that will carry a person from Ndjili International Airport, Kinshasa (Republic of Congo) and ultimately deposit the ticket purchaser in Mexico City in a little over a day.

Not an emergency though.

no wall needed, caught.   :driving:
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 05:37:28 AM
Having lived in a city that had an ebola "outbreak" I'm gonna say agree with Dax.  Not an emergency.

I lived in a city with a major flu outbreak, didn’t get the flu, never gonna get a flu shot again because I didn’t get the flu that one time.

Note to self:  Never vote for catast for public health commissioner
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 05:38:37 AM
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/border-patrol-agents-apprehend-large-group-del-rio

including nationals from Angola, Cameroon and Congo - apprehended on the Southwest border this year.

https://www.voanews.com/a/ebola-cases-soar-democratic-republic-of-congo/4945762.html

Gestational/incubation period of Ebola before the onset of symptoms can be as long as 21 days with a mean gestational period of approximately 12.5 days. 

Tomorrow there are approximately 50 flights available that will carry a person from Ndjili International Airport, Kinshasa (Republic of Congo) and ultimately deposit the ticket purchaser in Mexico City in a little over a day.

Not an emergency though.

no wall needed, caught.   :driving:

Surprised you didn’t quote some DC mid level cubicle jockey telling us why we don’t need a wall. 
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: catastrophe on June 05, 2019, 08:23:15 AM
Having lived in a city that had an ebola "outbreak" I'm gonna say agree with Dax.  Not an emergency.

I lived in a city with a major flu outbreak, didn’t get the flu, never gonna get a flu shot again because I didn’t get the flu that one time.

Note to self:  Never vote for catast for public health commissioner

Yeah I’m pretty sure he didn’t declare an emergency either.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 08:33:42 AM
Having lived in a city that had an ebola "outbreak" I'm gonna say agree with Dax.  Not an emergency.

I lived in a city with a major flu outbreak, didn’t get the flu, never gonna get a flu shot again because I didn’t get the flu that one time.

Note to self:  Never vote for catast for public health commissioner

Yeah I’m pretty sure he didn’t declare an emergency either.

I only did a quick look at the numbers, but the current series of Ebola outbreaks in the Congo had about a 70% mortality rate.   But no mind, I've let the WHO and the CDC know that-that one time  catastrophe was in an area that had an Ebola outbreak, he/she didn't get sick.  So they can just stand down on Ebola, nothing to see here, nothing to worry about. 

In the mean time, ISIS in the Ebola zone . . .

http://news.trust.org/item/20190604191037-ap8pc
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: catastrophe on June 05, 2019, 08:38:48 AM
Yeah I don’t think the WHO or CDC has declared an emergency in the US either.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: chum1 on June 05, 2019, 09:21:41 AM
Pubs don't have to fall in line when Trump caves first. lol.

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Brock Landers on June 05, 2019, 09:25:28 AM
Man that's LOL TRUMP worthy material right there.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 09:36:06 AM
Yeah I don’t think the WHO or CDC has declared an emergency in the US either.

That's one of the greatest tapouts of all time . . . 'Grats
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: catastrophe on June 05, 2019, 10:09:08 AM
I think you meant to quote chum1’s post.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 10:10:23 AM
I think you meant to quote chum1’s post.

Nope, yours.

Ebola:  Not a big deal (catastrophe)

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 05, 2019, 10:15:20 AM
This justification Dax is using is rough ridin' hilarious when a new vaccine is 97.5% effective.  This talking point is just a cover for the real reason, it was never about Ebola.

https://www.statnews.com/2019/04/12/the-data-are-clear-ebola-vaccine-shows-very-impressive-performance-in-outbreak/
Title: EMERGENCY!
Post by: catastrophe on June 05, 2019, 10:16:55 AM
Ebola is pretty easy to contain in developed countries. Dax and the intellectual dark web appear to be the only ones who think otherwise.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 10:19:58 AM
This justification Dax is using is rough ridin' hilarious when a new vaccine is 97.5% effective.  This talking point is just a cover for the real reason, it was never about Ebola.

https://www.statnews.com/2019/04/12/the-data-are-clear-ebola-vaccine-shows-very-impressive-performance-in-outbreak/

Tell that to the nearly 1000 people who just died from Ebola in the Congo.   You're such a rough ridin' idiot.



Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 10:21:19 AM
Ebola is pretty easy to contain in developed countries. Dax and the intellectual dark web appear to be the only ones who think otherwise.

The World Health Organization is the "intellectual dark web" . . . you're just amaze today.

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: catastrophe on June 05, 2019, 10:23:52 AM
What have they said about this crisis in the US again?
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 10:25:09 AM
What have they said about this crisis in the US again?

What part of border crossers from impacted countries is confusing to you?

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: catastrophe on June 05, 2019, 10:28:24 AM
The part where you said the WHO had weighed in on it.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 10:33:18 AM
The part where you said the WHO had weighed in on it.

Weigh in on what?  The WHO has weigh in all kinds of things relative to Ebola.

The vaccine is a limited study around specific strains of Ebola.   What is the supply of vaccine-limited.  Has full blown production of the vaccine started-no.  The vaccine isn't even licensed yet.





Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 10:43:59 AM
As usual, what resident LibDerp Nation doesn't get is that the border patrol only documents apprehensions.

Over 500K apprehensions FFY YTD, that's a pace to nearly double the totals of the 5 previous FFY's.    That of course is not documenting the crossers getting through without be apprehended.

So, a 180 by LibDerp Leaders on immigration starting in 2017 because of politics aka OrangeMan:Bad




Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 05, 2019, 10:54:30 AM
This justification Dax is using is rough ridin' hilarious when a new vaccine is 97.5% effective.  This talking point is just a cover for the real reason, it was never about Ebola.

https://www.statnews.com/2019/04/12/the-data-are-clear-ebola-vaccine-shows-very-impressive-performance-in-outbreak/

Tell that to the nearly 1000 people who just died from Ebola in the Congo.   You're such a rough ridin' idiot.

What if I told you if you hadn’t gotten the vaccine you are still susceptible :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 11:02:21 AM
This justification Dax is using is rough ridin' hilarious when a new vaccine is 97.5% effective.  This talking point is just a cover for the real reason, it was never about Ebola.

https://www.statnews.com/2019/04/12/the-data-are-clear-ebola-vaccine-shows-very-impressive-performance-in-outbreak/

Tell that to the nearly 1000 people who just died from Ebola in the Congo.   You're such a rough ridin' idiot.

What if I told you if you hadn’t gotten the vaccine you are still susceptible :horrorsurprise:

You can't even comprehend the article.   Limited trial, no widespread availability, unlicensed . . . which says nothing about production capacity, also does the vaccine have to go through the FDA approval process for U.S. deployment?

In essence it's not any where close to being able to tackle a widespread outbreak.

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 05, 2019, 11:08:00 AM
It’s sad seeing Dax just flailing around like this.  :frown:
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 11:19:40 AM
It’s sad seeing Dax just flailing around like this.  :frown:

"The challenge is getting it into people.”

The Big Tuck being an idiot, as usual
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Phil Titola on June 05, 2019, 11:22:56 AM
Think dax is trying to reinvigorate the old Trump "why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?" quote.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 11:32:27 AM
Think dax is trying to reinvigorate the old Trump "why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?" quote.

Your ilk has no problem calling a town or city in the US a shithole but you start clutching your pearls over a comment like that.   :lol: :lol:

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Phil Titola on June 05, 2019, 11:55:11 AM
I'm not familiar with what you are referencing
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 11:56:16 AM
I'm not familiar with what you are referencing

You paying attention to nearly anything is a challenge.

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Phil Titola on June 05, 2019, 12:49:03 PM
I'm not familiar with what you are referencing

You paying attention to nearly anything is a challenge.

Sorry someone called your town a shithole. That was v mean of them.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 12:50:35 PM
I'm not familiar with what you are referencing

You paying attention to nearly anything is a challenge.

Sorry someone called your town a shithole. That was v mean of them.

You can just say "I'm clueless" and we'd all understand and just tell you "we know".



Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Chingon on June 05, 2019, 01:20:52 PM
The Ebola angle is very creative (combines white people's fear of Mexicans and Africans), where did this talking point originate? 
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 01:35:22 PM
The Ebola angle is very creative (combines white people's fear of Mexicans and Africans), where did this talking point originate?

It's okay to admit that the great concern by LibDerp Nation about what's going on at the border started in 2017 and has nothing to do with caring about brown/black people.

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Chingon on June 05, 2019, 01:38:55 PM
Yeah this whole border/immigration thing is super new to me.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 01:39:20 PM
Yeah this whole border/immigration thing is super new to me.

I know
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 05, 2019, 01:40:14 PM
Theres a bunch on different lunatic websites but here’s an article I found by searching “Ebola build the wall” on DuckDuckGo.

https://defiantamerica.com/ebola-concerns-in-texas-after-illegals-from-congo-cross-border-into-us/
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Chingon on June 05, 2019, 01:40:35 PM
How long have you been concerned about it? Since Reagan I would imagine?
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 01:48:02 PM
First of all The Big Tuck:   I referenced the border patrol website and the World Health Organization.   As per usual, when resident LibDerp Nation doesn't like the message, they start turning credible entities into some sort of vast alt-right conspiracy.    So now, we've gone from being "alarmed" about the Ebola situation, to it being not a big deal because someone showed concern about people from Ebola ridden regions of the world crossing the US border illegally.

You of course won't be able to respond in any thing resembling an intelligent fashion.

Now on to this matter . . . what LibDerp Nation won't recognize is that since your LibDerp Leaders did a complete 180 on the border in January 2017 all because OrangeMan:Bad, you've green lighted people using children to cross the border.

So there's now this to deal with . . .

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jun/5/more-55000-children-caught-border-may/

Not to mention the perils those children were put under  in the process, and Flying Spaghetti Monster knows what else.



Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: chum1 on June 06, 2019, 12:11:50 PM
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 06, 2019, 12:18:02 PM
Ms. Kim:  I prefer that the 100K strong onslaught (that are caught) of our border continue month-after-month-month, I want to facilitate human traffickers and not hold Mexico accountable for anything.

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Chingon on June 06, 2019, 12:58:08 PM
Twitter can be confusing
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on June 06, 2019, 12:59:43 PM
Twitter can be confusing

 :frown:
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Ksuminnesotacat on June 06, 2019, 05:25:52 PM
https://www.cnet.com/news/twitter-makes-students-dumb-study-finds/




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Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 06, 2019, 05:28:12 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-immigration-finmin/mexico-freezes-bank-accounts-in-widening-migration-clampdown-idUSKCN1T72LC

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-mexico-nationalguard/mexico-offers-to-send-national-guard-to-southern-border-to-stem-migration-sources-idUSKCN1T72NY

This will enrage the LibDerp Nation facilitators.



Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Phil Titola on June 06, 2019, 09:05:19 PM
Will you Trump people ever learn all these other countries do is give trump.lip service which allows him the chance to declare victory and back down his dumb ideas nobody supports?

Guess that's why you are called rubes.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 06, 2019, 11:13:07 PM
Will you Trump people ever learn all these other countries do is give trump.lip service which allows him the chance to declare victory and back down his dumb ideas nobody supports?

Guess that's why you are called rubes.

The perpetually enraged left is  :lol: :lol: :lol:

You have PTSD from all the 360 windmills Xi and Putin did on your guy . . . not to mention the leadership in Tehran who appreciated the pallets of cash while accelerating their missile development.



Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Phil Titola on June 08, 2019, 10:03:53 AM
Will you Trump people ever learn all these other countries do is give trump.lip service which allows him the chance to declare victory and back down his dumb ideas nobody supports?

Guess that's why you are called rubes.

and...scene.

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Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: bucket on June 08, 2019, 10:43:57 AM
Will you Trump people ever learn all these other countries do is give trump.lip service which allows him the chance to declare victory and back down his dumb ideas nobody supports?

Guess that's why you are called rubes.

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 09, 2019, 10:15:26 AM
Useful Idiot LibDerp Nation whose leaders did a 180 on the border January 2017 (after years of Schumer and Pelosi talking tough on the border, and even at one time the horrible President Barry Obama railing on illegals for thinking they could just cross and stay . . . With all but the very far left pro immigration movement in full jackbooted lockstep with Pelosi, Schumer-Obama) . . . Are totally triggered by anything trying to stem the flow that’s topped 100k a month. 

SMDH 
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Phil Titola on June 09, 2019, 10:40:08 AM
Useful Idiot LibDerp Nation whose leaders did a 180 on the border January 2017 (after years of Schumer and Pelosi talking tough on the border, and even at one time the horrible President Barry Obama railing on illegals for thinking they could just cross and stay . . . With all but the very far left pro immigration movement in full jackbooted lockstep with Pelosi, Schumer-Obama) . . . Are totally triggered by anything trying to stem the flow that’s topped 100k a month. 

SMDH

So you agree idiot Trump supporters get fooled monthly by his rooze
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Spracne on June 09, 2019, 10:43:11 AM
Useful Idiot LibDerp Nation whose leaders did a 180 on the border January 2017 (after years of Schumer and Pelosi talking tough on the border, and even at one time the horrible President Barry Obama railing on illegals for thinking they could just cross and stay . . . With all but the very far left pro immigration movement in full jackbooted lockstep with Pelosi, Schumer-Obama) . . . Are totally triggered by anything trying to stem the flow that’s topped 100k a month. 

SMDH

So you agree idiot Trump supporters get fooled monthly by his rooze

Creative spelling!
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 09, 2019, 03:44:58 PM
Useful Idiot LibDerp Nation whose leaders did a 180 on the border January 2017 (after years of Schumer and Pelosi talking tough on the border, and even at one time the horrible President Barry Obama railing on illegals for thinking they could just cross and stay . . . With all but the very far left pro immigration movement in full jackbooted lockstep with Pelosi, Schumer-Obama) . . . Are totally triggered by anything trying to stem the flow that’s topped 100k a month. 

SMDH

So you agree idiot Trump supporters get fooled monthly by his rooze

No bigger collection of Useful Idiots like LIbDerp Nation who actually believe their leaders care about the welfare of those people.

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 09, 2019, 03:47:18 PM
Yeah Dax’s dear leader really cares about other people too.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 09, 2019, 03:51:10 PM
Yeah Dax’s dear leader really cares about other people too.

You're not even close to understanding . . .  as usual.

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 09, 2019, 04:30:19 PM
This is like Mexico paying for the wall.  Only rubes will believe it.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 09, 2019, 04:31:56 PM
This is like Mexico paying for the wall.  Only rubes will believe it.

You worry about money while you pretend that your leaders care about people.   

Sad . . . SMDH

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on June 09, 2019, 05:56:32 PM
Welp, trump fixed it, no reason to ever talk about immigration again.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 09, 2019, 06:17:50 PM
This is like Mexico paying for the wall.  Only rubes will believe it.

You worry about money while you pretend that your leaders care about people.   

Sad . . . SMDH

You 100% know I’m enjoying how stupid MAGAs are.  Nothing more or less.

I don’t pretend any politician gives a crap.  You need to learn to laugh at yourself b/c holy crap there is a ton of next level hilarity
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 09, 2019, 10:47:48 PM
This is like Mexico paying for the wall.  Only rubes will believe it.

You worry about money while you pretend that your leaders care about people.   

Sad . . . SMDH

You 100% know I’m enjoying how stupid MAGAs are.  Nothing more or less.

I don’t pretend any politician gives a crap.  You need to learn to laugh at yourself b/c holy crap there is a ton of next level hilarity

Um-hmm
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 12, 2019, 10:38:44 AM
Ebola now jumping borders in Africa.

Mortality rate still about 70%.

More refugees from the Congo arriving in the US via the Southern Border.

But somehow in whack-a-doo LibDerp World discussing this is either racist and/or all the resident epidimologists/vectoring experts say it's no big deal and if it does turn into a big deal that widely UNavailable vaccine will take care of it.

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2019, 10:45:01 AM
Dax, do you tune in to the tucker carlson white power hour? He talks about the diseases immigrants bring into the USA a lot. I’m sure a lot of other quality outlets do as well but that’s the one I know of.


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Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 12, 2019, 10:47:32 AM
Dax, do you tune in to the tucker carlson white power hour? He talks about the diseases immigrants bring into the USA a lot. I’m sure a lot of other quality outlets do as well but that’s the one I know of.


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No, I read the Financial Times, it's behind a paywall though, also WHO on social media.

But good try as always SD.

It's sad to see semi-Intelligent people contentiously attempt to throw the race card on every issue.





Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on June 12, 2019, 02:43:04 PM
I don't think anyone is calling tucker intelligent, semi or otherwise
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 12, 2019, 03:08:27 PM
I don't think anyone is calling tucker intelligent, semi or otherwise

I was speaking about the semi low-intelligence resident LibDerps.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2019, 03:11:40 PM
Which ones were playing the race card Dax?


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Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 12, 2019, 03:25:33 PM
Which ones were playing the race card Dax?


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You
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: catastrophe on June 14, 2019, 07:44:55 AM
Dax, are you saying we need a wall to keep the Ebola out or what?
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Phil Titola on June 14, 2019, 08:29:09 AM
This didn't end well in world.war z
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Institutional Control on June 14, 2019, 09:02:58 AM
We're talking real-life, Phil. Not the movies.
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 14, 2019, 12:09:39 PM
The wall is just part of better border security.   

Resident LibDerp Nation who are clearly serious and heavy  :bong:  can't remember that the mantra is border security and immigration reform.   

The  :lol:  is reading LibDerp Nation make fun of illegals walking around walls without acknowledging the fact that they had to walk by the existing wall to get to the part that doesn't exist.

While the people who have to secure the border want a wall, Dug and Phil know a guy in a cubicle with no windows who wrote that White Paper that said walls don't work.   :lol:

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: catastrophe on June 14, 2019, 04:19:55 PM
Won’t they give the wall Ebola though?
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 14, 2019, 06:01:38 PM
Won’t they give the wall Ebola though?

Shouldn't an Ebola expert like you already know that?

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Phil Titola on June 15, 2019, 09:27:10 AM
If I was Ebola I'd just go to the northern border that for some odd reason nobody is at all worried about

Or I'd just come in through the legal entry ports like most drugs and other diseases do anyways but Ebola isn't very smart I guess
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 15, 2019, 10:35:24 AM
The wall is just part of better border security.   

Resident LibDerp Nation who are clearly serious and heavy  :bong:  can't remember that the mantra is border security and immigration reform.   

The  :lol:  is reading LibDerp Nation make fun of illegals walking around walls without acknowledging the fact that they had to walk by the existing wall to get to the part that doesn't exist.

While the people who have to secure the border want a wall, Dug and Phil know a guy in a cubicle with no windows who wrote that White Paper that said walls don't work.   :lol:

Weird post.  Drunk?
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 15, 2019, 12:31:44 PM
Thaaaat's our dax!
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 16, 2019, 01:29:32 PM
The wall is just part of better border security.   

Resident LibDerp Nation who are clearly serious and heavy  :bong:  can't remember that the mantra is border security and immigration reform.   

The  :lol:  is reading LibDerp Nation make fun of illegals walking around walls without acknowledging the fact that they had to walk by the existing wall to get to the part that doesn't exist.

While the people who have to secure the border want a wall, Dug and Phil know a guy in a cubicle with no windows who wrote that White Paper that said walls don't work.   :lol:

Weird post.  Drunk?

Dug, my new name for you is:  The Perpetual Tapout  or TPT for short.

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 16, 2019, 01:39:40 PM
I miss ksuw.  At least he wasn’t stupid
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 16, 2019, 01:43:05 PM
I miss ksuw.  At least he wasn’t stupid

Says the guy who doesn't understand anything unless a guy in a windowless cubicle tells him what to think.

Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: waks on June 17, 2019, 01:14:17 PM
The wall is just part of better border security.   

Resident LibDerp Nation who are clearly serious and heavy  :bong:  can't remember that the mantra is border security and immigration reform.   

The  :lol:  is reading LibDerp Nation make fun of illegals walking around walls without acknowledging the fact that they had to walk by the existing wall to get to the part that doesn't exist.

While the people who have to secure the border want a wall, Dug and Phil know a guy in a cubicle with no windows who wrote that White Paper that said walls don't work.   :lol:

Weird post.  Drunk?

Dug, my new name for you is:  The Perpetual Tapout  or TPT for short.
:D (https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=38695.msg1912055#msg1912055)
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: 8manpick on June 17, 2019, 01:37:30 PM
No emergency!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/judystone/2019/06/16/who-surprised-many-by-not-declaring-ebola-a-public-health-emergency-why/#1f09b0f667d0
Title: Re: EMERGENCY!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 17, 2019, 02:52:15 PM
No emergency!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/judystone/2019/06/16/who-surprised-many-by-not-declaring-ebola-a-public-health-emergency-why/#1f09b0f667d0


Experts “Declare an emergency”

WHO: For political reasons we won’t . . . But we should


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