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Title: Baylor zone
Post by: EMAWzifried on February 06, 2019, 09:33:46 AM
How bad are we going to be against it?
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Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 06, 2019, 09:37:09 AM
Crank the Kenny Loggins. We're ready!
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: CHONGS on February 06, 2019, 09:37:22 AM
We're going to break it and win by a million.
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 06, 2019, 09:38:46 AM
We're going to break it and win by a million.

 :emawkid:
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Post by: BostonPancake on February 06, 2019, 09:56:08 AM
Beat them twice last year, so..........
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Post by: kso_FAN on February 06, 2019, 01:15:27 PM
Beat them twice last year, so..........

2 of our top 5 offensive games in Big 12 play too.

We'll see.
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: Brock Landers on February 06, 2019, 02:17:19 PM
Women should avoid the Baylor Zone at all costs.
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 06, 2019, 02:51:02 PM
Beat them twice last year, so..........

2 of our top 5 offensive games in Big 12 play too.

We'll see.

_fan when you stopped in to the ku game thread I felt very calm about the game. Your cautious tone makes me think Saturday could be disappointing
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: WildcatNkilt on February 06, 2019, 03:43:10 PM
Post-KU letdown is my fear. 
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: stunted on February 06, 2019, 03:45:53 PM
my analysis:
- they lost to texas southern and stephen f austin.
- their best player is a dude who transferred from yale. YALE. he's an undersized guard. barry will lock him up. his name is also makai, white people name white people shame.
- they suck at 3's.
- they have a guy named flo thamba, mo bamba's evil but cooler twin.

my prediction: the zone will be broken.
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: manpow5 on February 06, 2019, 04:23:46 PM
If we beat Baylor this weekend, we might be #25 in the polls... why? Cause DUD's.
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: MakeItRain on February 06, 2019, 06:45:03 PM
my analysis:
- they lost to texas southern and stephen f austin.
- their best player is a dude who transferred from yale. YALE. he's an undersized guard. barry will lock him up. his name is also makai, white people name white people shame.
- they suck at 3's.
- they have a guy named flo thamba, mo bamba's evil but cooler twin.

my prediction: the zone will be broken.

No one is cooler than Mo Bamba
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: dal9 on February 06, 2019, 10:54:00 PM
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“It’s a zone we probably practiced 10 minutes this month or last month,” Self said.

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article225638125.html

what is this like a humblebrag
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: EMAWzifried on February 06, 2019, 11:06:19 PM
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“It’s a zone we probably practiced 10 minutes this month or last month,” Self said.

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article225638125.html

what is this like a humblebrag

The other side of that is we picked apart heman-to-man defense they practice aall the time.
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: stunted on February 07, 2019, 07:51:04 AM
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oscar is so good at beating the zone he made a DVD about it. I just hope Baylor doesn't find it.
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: gatoveintisiet on February 07, 2019, 08:00:51 AM
I would like to see what one of fans colorcoded big 12 stat rankings thingys looks like when the cats are in first place  :pray:
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Post by: wetwillie on February 07, 2019, 08:19:48 AM
I would like to see what one of fans colorcoded big 12 stat rankings thingys looks like when the cats are in first place  :pray:

For $10 a month you can see as many as you want
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: Shooter Jones on February 07, 2019, 08:59:31 AM
So Texas destroyed Baylor last night, did Baylor stay in zone the whole time?

Looks like shutting down Mason might be more importanter than being perfect against the zone.. or maybe somewhat equally important
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: MakeItRain on February 07, 2019, 09:39:56 AM
The key to our game will be rebounding. Mason will not go off because we'll switch everything and all the guards can defend. They're the best offensive rebounding team in the league and we're the best defensive rebounding team. I wish I had someone tip nerd out with and do a film session as to why we rebound so well, despite having an elite rebounder like Baylor does. What we do on the boards as a team is impressive.
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Post by: ksupamplemousse on February 07, 2019, 10:10:09 AM
The key to our game will be rebounding. Mason will not go off because we'll switch everything and all the guards can defend. They're the best offensive rebounding team in the league and we're the best defensive rebounding team. I wish I had someone tip nerd out with and do a film session as to why we rebound so well, despite having an elite rebounder like Baylor does. What we do on the boards as a team is impressive.


Would be a good game for Cartier to get some more minutes. Should help with the D rebounding.
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: ChiComCat on February 07, 2019, 10:12:04 AM
The key to our game will be rebounding. Mason will not go off because we'll switch everything and all the guards can defend. They're the best offensive rebounding team in the league and we're the best defensive rebounding team. I wish I had someone tip nerd out with and do a film session as to why we rebound so well, despite having an elite rebounder like Baylor does. What we do on the boards as a team is impressive.


Would be a good game for Cartier to get some more minutes. Should help with the D rebounding.

I think his presence in the second helped to break KU's zone too.  He's a little more creative on offense than the rest of the guards.  Stokes/Brown seem content to pass back and forth for 12 seconds at times.
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: stunted on February 07, 2019, 10:15:23 AM
With all the turnovers we cause plus rebounding we get so many more chances to score. Wonder how kenpom weighs that in. Probably doesn't cause he's a dumbass.
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: cas4ksu on February 07, 2019, 10:18:46 AM
So Texas destroyed Baylor last night, did Baylor stay in zone the whole time?

Looks like shutting down Mason might be more importanter than being perfect against the zone.. or maybe somewhat equally important

He got jacked in the jaw pretty good last night against the Horns. Didn't play as much as he normally does.
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: stunted on February 07, 2019, 10:25:18 AM
So Texas destroyed Baylor last night, did Baylor stay in zone the whole time?

Looks like shutting down Mason might be more importanter than being perfect against the zone.. or maybe somewhat equally important

He got jacked in the jaw pretty good last night against the Horns. Didn't play as much as he normally does.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/xT1XGESDlxj0GwoDRe/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: MakeItRain on February 07, 2019, 11:15:37 AM
With all the turnovers we cause plus rebounding we get so many more chances to score. Wonder how kenpom weighs that in. Probably doesn't cause he's a dumbass.

The problem is that we don't get a lot of run outs from rebounds and that's by design. If you notice you'll see Kam around the free throw line quite a bit on defensive rebounding opportunities. Teams that want to push tempo would have him leak out to the hash marks for an outlet. For most teams they will not send their point guard to the offensive glass to prevent the run out. So essentially we sacrifice getting run outs from rebounds to get an extra body on the boards.
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: cas4ksu on February 07, 2019, 11:19:03 AM
So Texas destroyed Baylor last night, did Baylor stay in zone the whole time?

Looks like shutting down Mason might be more importanter than being perfect against the zone.. or maybe somewhat equally important

He got jacked in the jaw pretty good last night against the Horns. Didn't play as much as he normally does.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/xT1XGESDlxj0GwoDRe/giphy.gif)

Also he apparently hurt his foot (too close to home for EMAW-U) in practice. That's probably the better reason for why he didn't play as much.
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: kso_FAN on February 07, 2019, 04:34:21 PM
I would like to see what one of fans colorcoded big 12 stat rankings thingys looks like when the cats are in first place  :pray:

It looks good and shooting is on the upswing.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dy0G7FAXQAAy956.jpg:large)

With Dean in Big 12 games:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dy1gWMtX0AAVPcs.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: stunted on February 07, 2019, 04:54:41 PM
Those w/ Dean stats, holy crap!

Gotta hand it to the coaching staff for turning our weakness, rebounds, into a strength. And without the guy we thought who would be our rebounding savior getting minutes.
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: Shooter Jones on February 08, 2019, 09:13:11 AM
The key to our game will be rebounding. Mason will not go off because we'll switch everything and all the guards can defend. They're the best offensive rebounding team in the league and we're the best defensive rebounding team. I wish I had someone tip nerd out with and do a film session as to why we rebound so well, despite having an elite rebounder like Baylor does. What we do on the boards as a team is impressive.

My best LBBIQ guess would be that our D is so good, we force a lot of bad shots, bad shots create really bad misses, bad misses are usually rebounded by guards/forwards and we have a few that show pretty good athleticism when going for defensive rebounds.
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: catastrophe on February 08, 2019, 11:04:08 AM
I think there is something to that. I have extremely LBBIQ but just looking with my eyeballs our guys don’t LOOK like great rebounders, but we definitely force a lot of Hail Mary type shots, which you just naturally expect will be picked up by the defense. So even though it doesn’t feel like a rebound it still counts.
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: cas4ksu on February 08, 2019, 11:14:58 AM
dean and bellcow are good rebounders. but X, Barry, and Carti board really well amongst their competition.
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: stunted on February 09, 2019, 05:19:07 PM
Looks like their gimmick is about to be completely broken
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: stunted on February 09, 2019, 06:47:40 PM
eff the refs
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: CHONGS on February 09, 2019, 07:38:05 PM


We're going to break it and win.

:gocho:
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 09, 2019, 07:41:40 PM
Break the dang zone
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 09, 2019, 07:54:27 PM
Only rough ridin' amateurs think this way
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 09, 2019, 08:01:13 PM
Only rough ridin' amateurs think this way

What are you referring to specifically, wackster?
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 09, 2019, 08:03:18 PM
That the cats can’t beat a zone.
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Post by: MakeItRain on February 09, 2019, 08:47:29 PM
We definitely were not ready for a 3-2. Our zone O was non-existent for 30 minutes, not sure what took so long to move Dean to the high post.
Title: Re: Baylor zone
Post by: EMAWzifried on February 09, 2019, 09:48:22 PM
Diarrajl just bombs NBA threes.