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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: DQ12 on February 03, 2019, 12:42:34 PM
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Hello, Wildcats fans. Every week, I take every ballot submitted to the AP Top 25 and stick them in my algorithm machines. The algo runs a process that determines the merit of each ballot. The author of the worst ballot is labeled a DUD. I created this thread to catalogue those DUDS throughout the Wildcats' 2018-2019 campaign. I will periodically update this post to catalogue DUDS as time progresses.
This year's duds are as follows:
10/22
Feinstein (@JFeinsteinBooks) of National Public Radio.
TURNED STUD 2/11
11/12
McInnis (@Brian_McInnis) of the Honolulu Star Advertiser.
11/19
Newell (@jessenewell) of the KU Star.
11/26
Crepea (@JamesCrepea) of the Eugene, Oregon Oregonian.
12/3
Cooper (@mark_cooperjr) of the Tulsa (OK) World.
12/10-1/7 All DUDS
1/14
Hill (@DrewHill_CA ) of the Memphis, TN Commercial Appeal
1/21
Newell (@jessenewell) of the KU Star
1/28
Holland (@bhollandsports) of WVLA-TV
2/4
Vitale (@joshvitale) of the Montgomery, AL Advertiser
2/11
Hurt (@cecilhurt) of the Tuscaloosa, AL News
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This thread is a DUD
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This thread is a DUD
reported.
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thank you for this. brian and jesse are rough ridin' losers
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Thank you @Dlew12 for spotlighting these DUDS. They deserve endless ridicule.
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They are no better than BEN BOYLE
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Thankfully dlew and cas saw this on twitter already
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1092139590021013507?s=21
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i really like jon rothstein so I hope he isn't the DUD, but that ballot could certainly qualify
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As always, shame your duds, praise your studs, and tip your bartenders
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i ripped into rothstein
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I've long considered Jon Rothstein a close personal friend. However, I may be reevaluating my relationship with him moving forward if he keeps submitting ballots like this.
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Updated to add:
2/4
Vitale (@joshvitale) of the Montgomery, AL Advertiser
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josh is, uhhhh, not taking his newfound DUD status very well :sdeek:
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josh is, uhhhh, not taking his newfound DUD status very well :sdeek:
Can you blame him? This is a career-ender.
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Cats should be top twenty. Big LOL of the day on twitter timeline was a KU fan bitching how they only climbed the rankings two spots.... :dubious:
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josh is, uhhhh, not taking his newfound DUD status very well :sdeek:
:lol: just catching up on this.
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My favorite thing on Twitter.
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gE is at its best when we have a common enemy
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josh is, uhhhh, not taking his newfound DUD status very well :sdeek:
:lol:
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Very fun Twitter
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What a DUD that guy is.
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Jash is spiraling
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Some of the people on twitter are ruining it because they suck at playful trolling, there are a few who are just being dicks.
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Yeah.
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fire up the @ signal
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@pissclams
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was just about to call out pissclams for being a dud
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https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1092999009621471232
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1092970296410161152
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1092964890585657344
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1092964844918038528
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1092138000396500992
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1092135245120499713
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1091897502830391296
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1091894223400587265
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1091803120018046979
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1091802477081608195
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1091777020160294914
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1091774729940336644
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1091770580167262208
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1091549111831183360
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1091157721863327750
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1091192642371760128
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1090822888091996160
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1090432784743710721
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lol
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fire up the @ signal
https://twitter.com/goodforanother/status/1093033352893026305
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epitome of brutality rake
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:confused:
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epitome of brutality rake
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1093360310331863040
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Jon Rothstein: Our favorite robot
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Greg Gard. Silent Assassin.
Villanova Basketball is like a Fortune 500 Company. It runs itself.
Those are my two favorite Rothsteinisms. Followed closely by:
Mick Cronin. More consistent than A Few Good Men on a rainy Sunday.
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This DUD's for you!
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Rothstein will be a dud if he doesn't do one for oscar.
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https://twitter.com/GaryParrishCBS/status/1093558000407773186
This DUD didn't move up the cats after their win vs KU.
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that's more disrespectful to ku, imo
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that's more disrespectful to ku, imo
yes, it kinda sucks ass that there are no longer any signature wins in the Big 12. @hilton would probably be tops and we've done that already.
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Nomination for this weeks DUD, Mr. Poll Attacks himself, CBS's Gary Parrish. He isn't a DUD because he doesn't have Kansas State unranked, he's a dud because he ranked K-State 22nd last Sunday, and they stayed there every single day of his daily poll each day since then. Haven't went up haven't went down, just stuck in purgatory at 22.
This is a much bigger fish than small time DUD Josh Vitale.
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MIR, Studs and Duds is based on DLew's proprietary and impartial algorithm, so nominations really don't matter much. It's really about what the formula spits out.
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MIR, Studs and Duds is based on DLew's proprietary and impartial algorithm, so nominations really don't matter much. It's really about what the formula spits out.
Also, DLew doesn't give a DAMN about power rankings or non AP polls!
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MIR, Studs and Duds is based on DLew's proprietary and impartial algorithm, so nominations really don't matter much. It's really about what the formula spits out.
Also, DLew doesn't give a DAMN about power rankings or non AP polls!
Dlew winces when people swear, especially in references to his patented sports rankings methodology and output. It's a free country but just something to consider.
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MIR, Studs and Duds is based on DLew's proprietary and impartial algorithm, so nominations really don't matter much. It's really about what the formula spits out.
Also, DLew doesn't give a DAMN about power rankings or non AP polls!
Dlew winces when people swear, especially in references to his patented sports rankings methodology and output. It's a free country but just something to consider.
I don’t believe this!
https://twitter.com/dlew56/status/1093723264755658753?s=21
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Greg Gard is so silent I have never heard of him
edit: I googled him and this was on the first page of results. from "Daily Caller Sports" : WARNING AIDS LINK https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/15/highlights-wisconsin-maryland-college-basketball-greg-gard/
guess ol boy is really hurting for coverage
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I don't know why in the eff you posted that and I didn't realize it was a daily caller link, my phone now has aids.
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I like to read "Greg Gard. Silent Assassin." as if Greg Gard is just ripping heinous farts at parties and has just a diabolical look on his face while admiring his work.
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https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/sports/college/auburn/2019/02/11/where-ranked-auburn-ap-top-25-poll-after-win-over-florida-loss-lsu-tigers-kansas-state-wildcats/2835036002/ (https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/sports/college/auburn/2019/02/11/where-ranked-auburn-ap-top-25-poll-after-win-over-florida-loss-lsu-tigers-kansas-state-wildcats/2835036002/)
One of the interesting things about voting in the AP Top 25 Poll is that there aren't really any set rules.
If you feel a team doesn't deserve to drop because it lost a game — like Virginia to Duke — you don't have to drop it. If you feel a team deserves to make a jump, you're allowed to move it up as high as you see fit, even if that means a team that didn't lose falling down.
The latter happened in my individual ballot last week. Long story short, I wanted to move teams into the poll, which meant two had to come out. One of those happened to be Kansas State
I didn't think much of it at the time. The Wildcats were 16-5 overall, No. 30 in NET and No. 39 in KenPom. I very nearly dropped them off my ballot the week prior after they lost to Texas A&M — one of the worst teams in the SEC — but ultimately kept them in at No. 24. They won their lone game two weeks ago, but it was against a bad Oklahoma State team. They had a good resume, but not a great one, so I didn't have them ranked last week. Thirty-six other voters didn't, either.
Little did I know the wrath that would descend upon my Twitter mentions. Kansas State fans were more angry at me than I think Auburn fans ever have been in my more than two-and-a-half years here. They labeled me a "dud" and told me to do things that would not be appropriate to repeat in this space. I feared I would never be allowed to visit the Little Apple, even though I had no plans to go.
I think we may be back on speaking terms now, though. The Wildcats had a very good week. They upset then-No. 13 Kansas at home on Wednesday, then knocked off a good Baylor team on the road on Saturday. They have now won eight straight Big 12 games and are up to No. 28 in NET and No. 30 in KenPom.
Couple that with a few teams near the bottom of my ballot suffering one or two losses, and I have Kansas State up to No. 17 in the AP poll — one spot ahead of rival Kansas.
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Jesus :lol:
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#17. It worked. :gocho:
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MIR, Studs and Duds is based on DLew's proprietary and impartial algorithm, so nominations really don't matter much. It's really about what the formula spits out.
Also, DLew doesn't give a DAMN about power rankings or non AP polls!
Dlew winces when people swear, especially in references to his patented sports rankings methodology and output. It's a free country but just something to consider.
I don’t believe this!
I've had a conversation with Dlew12 about the offensive tweet and am satisfied with his explanation.
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I don't appreciate him implying that it was real anger.
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I don't appreciate him implying that it was real anger.
Yeah, it's why I'm semi-serious about not swearing
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From dud to stud! Except he's still a dud because it's all gone over his head.
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I don't appreciate him implying that it was real anger.
To be fair, it started out fun
-natured, but as usual people don't / can't understand not taking stuff so seriously and are just not funny, so some KSU fans went over the line.
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He's proven to be easily intimidated. We should keep the pressure on until he puts us in the top 10.
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I don't appreciate him implying that it was real anger.
To be fair, it started out fun
-natured, but as usual people don't / can't understand not taking stuff so seriously and are just not funny, so some KSU fans went over the line.
Yeah. i'm going to start getting after the bad actors. i don't want to be effectively dox'ing the Duds, but I also don't want to ruin the joke by saying "guys remember we're only kidding!" even though we are.
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They have now won eight straight Big 12 games and are up to No. 28 in NET and No. 30 in KenPom.
MixedNutz showed me a kenpom table sorted by conference games played since the date of Dean's return. Those parameters have us as tops in the conference and #4 in the country. Maybe some other bball nerds can confirm?
Being able to exclude the aTm abomination is a bit generous, but not unreasonable since motivation matters a lot when you're discussing 20yr olds. Anyway, I think it's silly that sportswriters rely so much on the front page of an advanced stats site but don't do any sorting to get a better picture of the current situation.
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I don't appreciate him implying that it was real anger.
To be fair, it started out fun
-natured, but as usual people don't / can't understand not taking stuff so seriously and are just not funny, so some KSU fans went over the line.
Yeah. i'm going to start getting after the bad actors. i don't want to be effectively dox'ing the Duds, but I also don't want to ruin the joke by saying "guys remember we're only kidding!" even though we are.
Yeah it's tough. It's the comedy version of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
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The new industry of the South is unwittingly entertaining gE.
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JESSE NEWELL
https://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/pollster/jesse-newell/2018/week-15 (https://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/pollster/jesse-newell/2018/week-15)
Either this hasn't updated yet or Jesse forgot to update his ballot this week.
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oh i forgot, he uses Pomeroy or something
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I don't appreciate him implying that it was real anger.
To be fair, it started out fun
-natured, but as usual people don't / can't understand not taking stuff so seriously and are just not funny, so some KSU fans went over the line.
Yeah. i'm going to start getting after the bad actors. i don't want to be effectively dox'ing the Duds, but I also don't want to ruin the joke by saying "guys remember we're only kidding!" even though we are.
Maybe tweet something about how these DUDs are not to be attacked but rather informed of their mistakes and possibly mentored by our knowledgeable fans until they leave their DUD ways behind. Or something.
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Luke DeCock
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Luke DeCock
took me way off guard
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This is hilarious
https://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/pollster/luke-decock/2018/week-15
I'd love to hear how he would spin this
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it finally updated, Newell is in the clear FOR NOW
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it finally updated, Newell is in the clear FOR NOW
still a DUD imo
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This is hilarious
https://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/pollster/luke-decock/2018/week-15
I'd love to hear how he would spin this
He was up there, but Hurt of the Tuscaloosa News got the nod.
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This is hilarious
https://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/pollster/luke-decock/2018/week-15
I'd love to hear how he would spin this
He was up there, but Hurt of the Tuscaloosa News got the nod.
Was just about to say more like Cecil buttHurt. Dlews algo is firing on all cylinders
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it finally updated, Newell is in the clear FOR NOW
still a DUD imo
no doubt
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I hope John Feinstein gets notice that he is this week's STUD. He blocked me after he got DUD'd earlier this year.
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:lol:
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Luke DeCock
what were his parents thinking.
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I hope John Feinstein gets notice that he is this week's STUD. He blocked me after he got DUD'd earlier this year.
The amazing/sad thing is the effectiveness.
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fein blocked me too
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What a treat this week’s Studs & DUDS has been!
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Luke DeCock
what were his parents thinking.
I'm guessing his dad was and perhaps still thinks about how shitty his family name is.
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if that's your last name do you just decide that you can't have kids and prolong that family name, or go thru what i assume is a PITA process to change it?
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Luke DeCock
what were his parents thinking.
At some point they were both thinking about DeCock.
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Not AP but the thumbnail caught my eye.
https://twitter.com/RobDauster/status/1095092807574917120
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I started listening to Dauster's podcast last month and I'm already done with it. He's a try too hard, douche.
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(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190212/3b1a6f6a01bc1eaa4e6154e3edb22865.jpg)
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:adored:
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cackling
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I'm curious if Mr. Couch snorted a gram an hour or so before filling out his ballot this week?
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it's a pretty disgusting betrayal. makes me wonder if this was his plan all along?
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what a DUD.
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i am still livid with couch.
LIVID.
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If we lose tonight, I imagine there's a 90% chance they bump us from the top 25. If we win, KU moves to 16 and we move to 15.
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https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1092999009621471232
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1092970296410161152
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1092964890585657344
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1092964844918038528
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1092138000396500992
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1092135245120499713
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1091897502830391296
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1091894223400587265
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1091803120018046979
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1091802477081608195
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1091777020160294914
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1091774729940336644
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1091770580167262208
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1091549111831183360
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1091157721863327750
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1091192642371760128
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1090822888091996160
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1090432784743710721
https://twitter.com/rodger/status/1101347175231979520
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Rodger Sherman is great
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It is rough ridin' MARCH!
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Graham Couch moved us up a spot this week. Nice job by him
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Luke is not taking his DUD status too well.
https://twitter.com/LukeDeCock/status/1102649877899689984
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Yesterday after the Cats lost, Brian Holland liked my tweet from February where I mocked him for being a dud. Looks like we got inside his head.
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:lol:
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That's pretty funny
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Sweet validation
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Yeah he did the same to me. Typical DUD behavior.
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haha, he did the same to me also.
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Standard “dud” playbook move by Theo last night to go and retweet tweets about him being a dud after a Cats loss.
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We need this for women's basketball, eff. K-State not being ranked is wild. Only two loses are against #1 and #5 and 14th in the net. Not only aren't we ranked but we're like 4th highest in receiving votes.